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Unraveling Ancient Mysteries: Matthew Cornelius on Spirituality, Authenticity, and the Evolution of Content Creation | JTP #71
Can ancient texts hold the answers to modern mysteries? Join us as Matthew Cornelius takes the stage to unravel the enigma of the Book of Giants and its depiction of celestial beings mingling with mortals. Matthew, who has a fascinating background with Tetra Kenna Magazine, also opens up about his cinematic journey in commercial videography. Together, we reminisce about the lost era of retail icons like Kmart and Sears, exploring the digital shifts that left them in the dust. It's a nostalgic ride through marketing's evolution and the memories of what once was.
From guitar riffs to wood shavings, witness the transformation of a content creator who pivoted from gaming hacks to pet care, and eventually discovered a community in wood carving thanks to a serendipitous meeting with an army ranger. This episode is brimming with insights on sharing secrets, the nuances of creativity, and the fine line between public engagement and private innovation. Matthew shares his story of breaking new ground on YouTube, balancing openness with the knowledge of competition, and the joy found in crafting something uniquely your own.
The digital world demands authenticity, yet the allure of AI and instant fame looms large. We tackle the realities of influencer marketing, the significance of genuine engagement, and the changing tides of brand integrity. AI's role in content creation sparks a lively debate on maintaining human touch amidst technological advancement, while the eternal quest for success prompts reflections on wisdom, consistency, and staying true to oneself. It's a whirlwind of thoughts, from spiritual speculations to ancient wonders, promising to ignite your imagination and broaden your horizons.
and I mentioned this. But the book of the giants talks about the angels manipulated the seeds of the earth. So we know. The Bible says that the angels did come down and mate with the daughters of men.
Speaker 2:So they don't talk about stuff like this on Sunday.
Speaker 1:No, no. It loses people Like you'd be like, oh my gosh, what happened? But you start looking at the concept of Satan and everything else.
Speaker 2:Giants, which, by the way. Hey, what's going on? It's another episode of the Joe Till Podcast. I'm Joe Till and, like always, I have another great guest, Mr Matthew Cornelius. What's going on, man? Oh man, doing pretty good. How about you, bro? I'm good man. It's late, but I know it's going to get later. We got a lot to talk about man?
Speaker 1:Definitely Well, man, I'm just honored to be on here, bro, and thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, I'm excited. So what all are you into these days, man, do you?
Speaker 1:have a notepad. Yeah, man, I'm be a love-hate relationship, you know, and I work with Tetra Kenna Magazine, so I like doing photography and videography. I have a film company which I fly under the radar with. I really don't advertise A film company.
Speaker 2:Let me stop you Like what? Like full films or like are you shooting like commercials or Well?
Speaker 1:it's mainly right now I'm branding more towards commercial videography. I used to do weddings. I stepped out of that, but anyway, a lot commercial videography and just business.
Speaker 2:So cool commercials, are they're for the internet? Now, right, they are, yeah oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:I mean there's a lot of brick and mortar businesses that love commercials because I mean they're bringing the service to the people of their hometown, and so you know a lot of stuff with this social media, the way things go now, you know you have pictures and reels, just quick things, and so a lot of people does like to have a highly polished video for their business. You know that that helps. So I mean there's still a market for it, um for sure. But you know there's a lot of businesses these days are going towards micro content, you know.
Speaker 2:So shorter stuff. Yeah, like here's a reel for my business. Yeah, is that what it's moving towards?
Speaker 1:Like a short I believe it is man. They're following trends. You know I'm reminded of Sears and Kmart. You know they wanted to stay brick and mortar. Everybody else went online and what happened? So you follow these trends of the way, whichever way the wind blows. You know you kind of take your business that way of culture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, damn, I never thought about that Kmart. That was like you know people older than me. It was like, oh, you just don't know, some of these places won't be here later. Like Kmart was like the first one where.
Speaker 1:I was like there's really no more Kmart.
Speaker 2:I think I looked this up the other day. There's like four Kmarts left. Really. Yes, I thought there were. Okay, I believe I'll look it up, but while I'm doing that I was thinking because, like Kmart, like my grandpa was a pharmacist at Kmart and like we would go to Kmart yeah, man, hold on, how many Kmarts in the world left?
Speaker 1:I have to know there's a guy here. Do you remember Willie that used to work at Kmart? Willie, yeah, he was the nicest guy. He was an African-American man, one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. He worked here for years at Kmart but anyway, he would always talk to my mom and me when we'd go in and my nephew Trevor would come with us and stuff and he was always there just like hanging out with us, walking with us and everything he's. One of my first memories of Kmart Was he at the door.
Speaker 2:He was all over the place, or was he? I remember there was these two guys that they were twins that were at the Albertsons across the street and they were like super cool, they pushed the buggies or whatever. I think I remember that. And then I grew up and realized they played basketball and I'm playing basketball with them. It was cool, but I was like I don't know, isn't it strange like how you can meet like people like that and you remember this random like person from Kmart or Albertson's like?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just like where that shows you that you know you meet someone nice and everything, and they're just something about them.
Speaker 2:It sticks with you. Right. There's four K-Marts left, Four K-Marts left. We may have to make a road trip bro, that would be awesome to go to like the last K-Mart. It would be like a. They should make that like a, like a damn historical site.
Speaker 1:I know, I know they should bro they should and what?
Speaker 2:we had Sears in a mall right and that crashed out, and then there was another Sears. So you're saying the reason they went out is both of them too. They wouldn't go online.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is what was told to me and from research. They wouldn't go online. They failed to make that transition that businesses need to make, especially at that level. Now, fact check me here and I'll say something wrong, but that's what I believe happened. They failed to go online and failed to make a shift in that business. And there's probably more than that, but that's what mainly people say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it kind of reminds me of like Blockbuster oh gosh, blockbuster. Have you ever looked into that deal? Not too much I'm blanking on what it was. I just remember it was crazy and they really fumbled a bag and Netflix.
Speaker 1:Netflix, I remember, you know, because Netflix put out Do they own Redbox? I don't know, I think.
Speaker 2:Redbox. I don't know. I think Redbox is going out now because people don't have DVDs no more. Right, isn't that wild? There's nothing in my house that plays a DVD, right now oh me either.
Speaker 1:Everything's digital Plus. You can organize a lot easier. You don't have the big old things of VHSs or DVDs.
Speaker 2:I put DVDs back there as decorations.
Speaker 3:I don't know what else to use them for. They work good, man. I don't know what else to use them for.
Speaker 1:I got Lord of the Rings and Star Wars. I still have Lord of the Rings on DVD.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I have like a couple copies of it. I'm really into Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1:I read the books and did all that I haven't read the books, man, but I hated Lord of the Rings when I was younger. It's like why would anybody want to watch that stupid fantasy crap? After I got older and I watched it, I was like, oh my gosh, peter Jackson is a genius. Yeah, the way Ian McKellen he acted like. I really got into it Like, oh my gosh, this is actually like dude, this is art, you know. So anyway. And now I can happily say that Lord of the Rings is one of my favorite series. Oh, dude.
Speaker 2:I had like 10 DVDs growing up and they were weird too. I had like Lord of the Rings. I had like the episode one, two and three of Star Wars. I had the Rush Hours. Excuse me, oh, I love Rush Hours bro, I know what I'm saying, so there was.
Speaker 2:I had like those type of movies. I probably had about 20 of them and I could like quote them to you. Oh yeah, we just had a DVD player. All you had was your DVD and you could go in the living room and watch, like Cartoon Network, even stuff like that's gone now, like there isn't a Cartoon Network no more. That's wild to me.
Speaker 1:I know, dude, it's so wild. You know, I think my favorite movie out of all time is the Patriot with Mel Gibson. Love that movie. I like war movies. I like war and action movies, man. Still, I like comedy movies too Rush Hour, yeah.
Speaker 2:Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan yeah, dude, we were. And Jackie Chan yeah, dude, we were talking about that the other day. Golly, that was good. Fury is one of my favorite war movies. That movie is, oh, with Brad Pitt, yeah, yes, and Shia LaBeouf and all of them. That's good they were in that tank.
Speaker 1:Oh man, that was intense, that was intense.
Speaker 2:I think my favorite war movie. Yeah, I do. In my head I was like that's probably my guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, it's so hard to get past that movie, man, and it's sad. I mean, it just kind of shows you what people's going through. And did you ever watch Band of Brothers HBO? Yeah, yeah, it was a powerful series. I really I get into.
Speaker 2:I'm on a lot of these podcasts that bring in Navy SEALs and Rangers and stuff in Navy SEALs and Rangers and stuff and they talk about war and a lot of these guys they talk about like Iraq and Afghanistan and stuff, because the age group of guys that are getting on podcasts are coming out of like that war and then you know then there's the big gap between wars to like like Vietnam, and those guys are getting older now and you don't see very many like World War II vets anymore. Like cause gap is getting, the age gap is getting. So yeah, yeah, but war is wild dude, like I don't want to get into that right now because I'll talk about that in two hours I understand.
Speaker 1:We can move on.
Speaker 2:It is insane what happens in this world and it's crazy that it's 2024 and we still have wars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is man. It is because we'll keep on going to that topic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is one that'll get me going dude. But, anyways back to your YouTube channel. I can't believe we probably just talked 20 minutes and didn't even talk about the YouTube channel. That's fine. That's fine. How did so? Cornelius Creations? Right, how? Where did that come from?
Speaker 1:Well, I will tell you and I will try to shorten this. So this is my second channel, my. My first channel I made it my first video ever was a guitar video of me playing guitar. And then I was playing a video game and I discovered a little hack inside the video game to get more points. If you want to know what it was, it was Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater. That's one of the ones I love, metal Gear Solid series. And anyway, I found this little trick to get more points.
Speaker 1:I said I got to get me a camera. I need to go on YouTube. And so, anyway, I was working at orthopedic specialist at the time on Texas Boulevard. I went and bought this camera for $70, excuse me, $79, like spent, like I barely had nothing left. You know, 18 year old kid, you know I didn't have any money. And then I found me a tripod on Sellit Target for $16. $16. And so I recorded this video of this video game, bro, and anyway I uploaded. A few days went by. I had like 2,000 views on this thing. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. I said I got to start making YouTube videos. I just had this on my heart.
Speaker 2:How long ago was that? A long time ago.
Speaker 1:I don't even remember the dude is so I can't even tell you. Bro, it was so many years ago, high school or adult. Yeah, I was right out of high school, right, okay? Yeah, so I was right. I started making more. I was 19. I'm 37 now. Right, so I was about 19, 20.
Speaker 1:So you've been in the game a long time, yeah, so I've been doing that for a long time. Then, to move this story along faster and stuff, I got a ball python, a snake, and started making videos on him, and you can still find pictures on Pinterest. I didn't realize like people blew my channel up on Pinterest and I didn't know it. Oh, wow, because I never got on Pinterest. But anyway, I would make videos of me feeding this snake and making videos over the terrarium setup. I would make like Christmas setups, christmas ornaments, and people started watching these videos, you know. And then I started my other channel, which got into wood carving, which is part of my business right now, and that's what got me started and where it really blew up at, because I figured that might be your next question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how did what did so? It was a different. So that first channel was the other stuff. Yeah, then you decided to make another channel. How many subscribers did you get to on the first channel, on the?
Speaker 1:first channel I got to 6,000, a little over 6,000.
Speaker 2:Which is still impressive.
Speaker 1:So every YouTube channel you've done has been yeah, yeah, and I've helped people scale theirs and stuff, because I do YouTube consulting on the side and everything yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll call you later. Oh yeah, I'm here, bro Wood carving. That seems random. How did that happen, man? I will tell you.
Speaker 1:So I was getting these axes in the mail. I'd buy them, just really tomahawks. They had the head and the wood on them and I thought you know what, I could probably modify this. So I got my wood burner and I started putting designs in them. And anyway I had a church function and so I had a few of these axes I would burn and stuff man. They look cool, dress them up like Viking stuff man, I was just having so much fun with it.
Speaker 1:And an army ranger here in town I don't think he's in the rangers anymore, but one of the most respectful guys I've ever met in my entire life. I look up to him. He's a great dude. His name's Lance. He saw it and said dude, you have to make some of these for my guys. And I said I don't want to do that. I don't know how to do this stuff. I got scared, man. He said, no, make some and sell it to us. Well, I don't want to sell, I'll give you some. Not business-minded whatsoever. He said no, man, please make some of these and sell them to us. And so, anyway, I credit me getting that stuff out because of him. Wow, he saw it and everything. I actually had one guy there, a pastor on Steph the Church, that introduced him to it.
Speaker 1:But anyway, fast forward. I put a video on YouTube of me doing that and it started getting some attraction. And then I realized that I had to get into wood carving because one of the state sergeant major of Arkansas wanted one and I was supposed to put his name. So I wood burned it. I thought what if I wood carved it? And so anyway I got a little Dremel rotary tool and I did some letters.
Speaker 1:It wasn't too good at the first time, but that's where it started. I was like, oh my gosh, this looks better than wood burning. And then, as far as YouTube, how it got started, oh my gosh, this looks better than wood burning. And then, as far as YouTube, how it got started, like where my views really started coming up at is that there, to my knowledge, there was no one on YouTube in the world that showed how to wood carve letters with a Dremel. There was a few rotary tool wood carving videos, but anyway it came. Actually I was on one night I was about halfway awake about into dreamland, you know, and I felt I need to show people how to carve letters and I said I don't want to do that. That's what's making me money. Why would I share my secrets with?
Speaker 2:people, ah, yeah, you know. While in the office, when we figure something out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, dude, yeah, yeah. So I woke up and I'm a praying guy. I was praying and I felt just do it, just this urgency. I'm like I just couldn't get it off my heart. Man, I've said you know what I'm going to do this. I got this video together, this script together of what I was going to do. I posted that video, bro, and I threw it up there Later that night. I had 3,000 views. I'm like huh, huh. The next day I had like 6,500 views and it just started growing and that's really what got me started, bro?
Speaker 2:So that one video. Yeah, isn't it crazy that it's a mentality that you have to break from, because once you realize you have some sauce, it's like, hmm, should I give it, but there's lots of benefits from, and that's like. So in the studio world, I figured out a lot of secrets when I got in, just from, yes, being on the internet like heavy, and I learned every. I didn't go to school for it and it was all youtube and trial and error, so I'd record like 10 hours a day with people. So I started figuring out how to do like tricks, and so I would see other studios in town and I would just start giving out game Because, like at the beginning, I was like this is my secret, this is why it works, yeah, but then I started giving out game and then people just started looking at me as like, oh, that dude, it just changes how people looks at you too. So they're like, oh, look, he'll give away the game.
Speaker 1:It does, man. It's one of those things, bro, that it goes into like you give it away for free, it comes back to you and there is a level, and I understand, on a business perspective, you don't want to give away everything. There are some things that hey have some wisdom.
Speaker 2:You know, you don't, you know, tell all of your mind you know. But there are, are you? Don't give the crappy patty formula away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there you go, and so it's one of those things I started sharing, like what I knew, and I know a business professional said this when it comes to content creation and if you're in this world you'll understand what I mean they say give away the 90, keep the 10, and you're only supposed to be 10 to 15% ahead, knowledge-wise of your audience that you're teaching. That's the way that. I don't know if you've heard that statistic before.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. Well, you don't want to be like light years ahead of them. They don't get what you're saying anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, there's a quote by John Maxwell. He said great leadership is this you always want to be ahead of the people, but never out of sight. So anyway, that makes sense though.
Speaker 2:It does, man it does. There's a lot of things that can go in your head when you get into a leadership position or you have people that are looking to you. We fight a lot of, I think, human nature, yeah, and I think we see that like big scale in the world. Like once you start going up the ladders and like me, I'm bad at getting rabbit holes about like the government and things like that and then you just kind of see like what, what leadership position or what power can do to a person. I think if you you get, you got to practice good things while you're the low man.
Speaker 1:Dude, you're so right. Yeah, no, you're so right, you know. It's one of those things that you know. A lot of people say when you get money, money, money will change you. Money doesn't change you. Money reveals you and power will reveal a person. And that's why it is so important to have a good character, to have a good integrity and cause. I mean you'll get yourself in pinches, even in business. I mean, when it comes to business, relationally with people. There's gonna be times. If you do anything in this world, I mean, you're gonna get yourself into some situations and stuff. And one thing you know one of my favorite books says that the integrity of the upright will guide them when you have no other things to help you. The integrity, true integrity, will point you true north through these situations. And you know, power tests everybody. I mean when you, you know test everybody.
Speaker 2:I think when people win the lottery it's a huge example of this the people that have no experience with money like because you hear all these wild stories about people that win the lottery it's because they're not, they didn't like, build it Like, they didn't take, they didn't have to go through all the steps. They didn't have to go through all the steps If destroy themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it destroys people and you know a lot of people think that, oh, I have a money problem. You don't have a money problem, you have a mind problem. I still have to remind myself that you know. Yeah, for sure it's. You know money is a tool. You know, I believe and I don't want to get too far off in conspiracy land but the people that end up winning the lottery, you're going to have something crazy happen to you, yeah, but I mean you got to think everybody in your inner circle is now going to look at you differently.
Speaker 2:Even then, everybody in your outer circle is going to start looking at you differently. Everybody that gave you a penny for lunch money when you was seven. They're going to want $1,000 or something, and you're not going to make everybody happy and people act crazy yeah, they do they?
Speaker 1:do they take it to the extreme, yeah, and the amount of people that get sued too, like you, like you know, I didn't realize this. I remember seeing something this is not part of the lottery talk but Will Smith said I may be wrong he had a full staff of like. Was it 30 lawyers? I may be off on that number. He had a full staff of like. Was it 30 lawyers? I may be off on that number. But he said people sues him a few times a day, or more than a few times a day, and he has to have it like and I didn't realize like man. That goes to show you to whom much is given, much is required, you know, and it's like, once you get to a point of like, to that point, it's like man, it's like. I'll repeat John Maxwell again I love reading, I love quotes. He said the more a person grows in leadership, the less options they have. It's like a pyramid, the less options you begin having with people, your peers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's talk about the pyramids.
Speaker 1:Don't blame me, yeah, the pyramids.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm just like we'll do that later. Yeah, we'll do that later. No, dude, people are like opportunists, right, especially people that I don't know have you ever seen like the drug dealer that's working way harder than a regular person, but they feel like if there's something in them that says, well, I want to take it this route, it ends up being harder. Like if you would take that same like entrepreneurial mindset of what it takes to even sell like weed. Like if you can sell weed successfully and have a decent weed business, like illegally, you more than likely could run a business. It's like you just got to be able to take that and put it towards something better, definitely.
Speaker 1:I mean, you can take principles and apply them to different areas and make them work. So it's just one of those things, man, I mean you pick your path and you go with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you ever had like a moment where you're like, ah, I need to go this way, like a change, a shift, yes, so I can.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll apply this to YouTube. You know, there's a change in my videos where I started doing laser engraving instead of wood carving and I had oh my gosh, so many people get mad at me and it goes back to the Sears and Kmart thing. Oh yeah, right. I mean, wood carving is pretty popular, but laser engraving is so much more popular. More people are doing it in business, and that was one of the biggest, best decisions I've made to kind of shift my content a little bit and offer both.
Speaker 2:How do you know when to shift, Like were you just trust your gut type situation.
Speaker 1:Well, you trust your gut, you have intuition that always comes into play. But you also be analytical about it. You have to look at hard data, what's being said, and you always have to kind of shift and change, especially in the YouTube game. I mean, you have to kind of shift and change, especially in the YouTube game. I mean you kind of, you have to grow with it. There's some people that I mean they produce the best content but they do the same thing the same way over and they should be having a lot more subscribers and they stay down here and their videos are phenomenal. And sometimes you have to shift and play around and keep growing. And you know I'm not one to really follow too many trends and sadly, the way the world is going, you have to follow those trends. But yeah, back to your original question. You have to look at hard data, you know, like, what's working and always experiment. You always have to experiment with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, like on this podcast channel, right, like, my main goal is to just put this podcast. I want people to listen, so, so there's a lot of hoops I jumped through. At the end of the day, what I truly want is people to come watch, like, the whole episode. Yeah, for sure I'm a. I like to think I'm more of a deeper thinker.
Speaker 2:I do not like, I really don't like shorts. I don't like one sentence statuses. I really don't, because it's like I feel like when you that you can cut fat but at the same time, you do take away from, like, your true intention of what you're saying, definitely by editing and editing, and we're just making everything shorter and shorter and shorter. It's like I had one go viral the other day and it's, you know, the people in the comments, a lot of the comments that were like angry. You know. You know you get those. Oh yeah, in the actual episode, all those questions get answered, right, but I had to condense it down to the short and man and but, but the how I'm trying to think, controversial, I guess. Yeah, yeah, the word that may have is what blew it up. So I don't know, but I don't like that. Like me personally, I don't like that. You know what I'm saying. This clip blew up, got like 1.5 million views or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and but a lot of the comments was like 1,600 comments or whatever positive and it's like if you could just listen to the next 30 seconds that didn't make it in the short or in the reel or whatever it was on, you know, it would have explained all your questions away. So I don't know, I'm conflicted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, I will say something about that. And I had one video on Facebook. This company paid me I think I made $32, $26, I think, from it, so they took a video of mine, you know, I think from it. So they took a video of mine. I think they were super viral TV that's when they had like 16 million followers. They said we want to use one of your videos Condescent in the short. We'll pay you some of the ad revenue, which I don't think they paid me all the ad revenue, because this video had over 3 million views, Wow, and this video they took is one of my worst videos.
Speaker 1:But I had over 2,000 comments, Joseph, of negativity. Like this guy did what? Because I was carving this knife handle. This thing looks like junk and, bro, I went through there I started laughing so much but literally all of it was against this guy. Stupid, Like, literally, I scroll on Facebook for two minutes, nothing positive and anyway, but it was like a controversial thing. It shot the views up, right, and I know what you're saying about. You hate that. It has to be controversial to do that, but unfortunately, like when you're on a platform, someone else's platform, it's a shame that you can't grow with some type of weird I don't want to say weird. It's a shame that you can't grow organically by being positive. Yeah, and you can, but it's a shame that most stuff it's just the trend, bro it grows by this controversial, negative stuff and a lot of people they will do their videos that way, just to grow, never had a viral video of something positive.
Speaker 2:I just had like four that were just. One of them was for my comedy podcast. It was something that was. I didn't even say it, it was my other ghost just said something just completely out of pocket and it went wild on there. And the other times are just like it's just goofy stuff.
Speaker 2:to me it is man All the stuff that I really believe and I'm so passionate about that stuff that doesn't do it. It doesn't do any good. Does it? Yeah, I don't know it, just it never. It hasn't played out yet. Yeah, and maybe like an overtime thing where people like see you do something consistently for a while.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it will, man, and I tell anybody that's just wanting to grow a YouTube channel on. First of all, I would like to preface this. I'm not a know-it-all. I'm still learning every single day, but I've noticed this the number one thing when it comes to growing a YouTube channel is solving a need, and I know, with podcasts, that is one of the hardest niches to grow. And kudos to you, man, because you're like. I want to like, recognize you right now because you are doing this and you told me before we started recording all the episodes you've done. I'm like, man, this dude's consistent Consistency speaks to me, man, because you get in this game, man, you meet a lot of people, you meet a lot of people and so it's awesome that you've been doing it this long. And consistency is key, man. And, like I said, I tell people to solve a need, find a need, solve it. It's tough to do that in an episode it is.
Speaker 2:It's like we're just going to talk for two hours Somewhere in there. We'll probably solve some needs for people, but it's like I don't know, it's tough, I don't know. All I know to do is to keep learning and to keep you know. Just every week there's a video, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely man, I think you're doing a fantastic job, dude. I mean, I always have ideas, so, like you know, for different you know different things. But yeah, man it's. I mean you're, you're doing such a great job and stuff, man, and uh, I'm really excited to see you grow this dude, and to meet another creator. It's always amazing to meet another creator.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how many who else in town is like really, really creating what names come to your mind?
Speaker 1:Uh, what names right now? Devin Carroll he's my buddy. He's a great guy. He has 400 and something thousand subscribers. He's in the finance niche. He does social security and videos and everything. Fantastic guy. Another one is Mark and Matt Payton. They do storm chases Sweet, I need them on oh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need them on. Yeah, yeah, everybody you've mentioned so far.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, do get them on, you would have such a blast with them. Man, yeah, you'll have such a blast. So and then Matt started another channel and this dude like if he's watching right now, this dude blew a short up here like a year ago. Like 30 million views inside of Walmart just doing random stuff and like they have a grace on them, they post a video and they like get a million views like that. So yeah, they're amazing.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you some questions as far as I've been wondering. So it's like when, when you go viral, you go outside of your followers, right, obviously, because you only have X amount of followers. I guess the benefit of having more followers is more people see your day-to-day stuff. And I'm speaking maybe not specifically on YouTube, because YouTube is good about letting you know when somebody you subscribe to posts something. But as far as Facebook or Instagram or something like that, let's say, on Facebook, I like 10,000 followers Sometimes it doesn't seem like that does anything. Right, well, we call that vanity metrics.
Speaker 1:I mean because you can have a lot of followers, no income and there's a lot of big people. You'd be surprised, depending on the niche they're in. Oh, this guy's a YouTuber. Not every YouTuber makes millions of dollars. I mean your top ones that has millions of subscribers. Yes, I mean, they're doing pretty good for themselves, but we call that vanity metrics and sometimes it doesn't do anything. So I will tell you this I have, was it? I think, 189,000 right now. Do you know? Less than 23% of my audience, my subscribers, watch my videos. Less than 23 percent. Most of your views on youtube come from new people. It's always, and people that won't subscribe to you is where your views come from. Just people won't do it sometimes, and so the benefit of having subscribers followers is it does show credibility, like you're making big waves in the pond at this point, like it's giving you credibility to your name yeah, people say.
Speaker 2:people say okay, he has this many subscribers, we'll take him serious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll take him serious. Of course, you have to be careful of that, because people will buy followers. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's still a thing. Oh yeah, I used to watch people do that with music and it was like it would be some local guy and like and like. I knew he only had like 10 people that listened to him and then all of a sudden he'd have like 10,000 plays on a song and you're just like you don't know 10,000 people, brother, and you were handing CDs out right now. I know, dude.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of ambitious people. That's not the right way to go about things. It's the long hard road and the people that not everybody but the overnight successes. There are overnight successes, which everybody wants. That game plan right. Everybody wants that to happen. I promise you that is one of the worst things that can happen to you. It hurts going through the process of getting a big following. I mean, I've been doing this now for 18 years, I think, and so it's been, and I'm just now starting to get where I want to. You know like I still want to grow up bigger and everything. But one of the worst things that can happen to you is overnight success. If you have something then you lose it. That's worse than having something then losing it. That's a you know. So that long hard road, man. You learn so many lessons from it, man, it makes you tougher too. Yeah, and the only. I quoted this the other day. I was at my. I think you may have had him on Chase Livingston, oh, yes.
Speaker 2:I love that dude. Yes, sir, yeah, he's my boy.
Speaker 1:I hear twice. Yeah, really, yes, man, okay. Well, yeah, that dude is like a fantastic love that guy. We were at an event and I shared a quote and I said or I got this from Facebook somewhere, I forgot who said it, but it said. The quote said experience has to teach you because wisdom offends you and the only shortcut through this, if you want a shortcut, is wisdom. Like there, you can do things the right way and and you can do things an excellent way, and while it's not, when you do things the excellent way, you're still going to get through it. You're still going to have hard work. But here's the thing People taking shortcuts. It just doesn't work online and, like I said, people still buy followers. There's always some type of software out there that's still doing that stuff.
Speaker 2:Have you ever bought farms? Bot farms, like streaming farms? Oh yeah, stuff like that. Oh yeah, bro. Like a warehouse full of cell phones playing reels over and over again oh, I know, I've seen those. That's crazy. They say that it's in like the music industry is infested with yeah, like stream farms. Oh my, it's literally just phones in a warehouse and they're all just playing reels or songs on Spotify or something just like on repeat. That's wild, bro. And lots of bots, lots of bots. That is an interesting part of the internet that you know you're like interacting. You might even interact with something that is not a person.
Speaker 1:Oh I know man, it is wild dude it is wild.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming you get lots of comments, having you know what I'm saying. There's got to be a percentage of comments on your videos too that are not real people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there are, and sometimes you can kind of tell it, usually the bots. Youtube's gotten pretty good about the bots commenting and a lot of times I just left them on there because it's driving my video up in the algorithm, you know. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Look at all the people engaging.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, but there are some things out there. Usually the heavy spam comments will leave links to certain things or, pretending they're me, they'll put my icon on there, my avatar, and pretend they're me, and then people click some and then I'm asking for money. Like nope, that wasn't me, that was someone else wanting money for an orphanage.
Speaker 2:I was trying to make a point earlier and I forgot what I was doing midpoint. But that brings me back to it. When I was talking about the guy working so hard selling weed when he could just be a regular entrepreneur, what I was trying to say is that people will go way harder to do like shiesty stuff. They will go so hard on a shortcut that it's not a shortcut. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I. That's what I was trying to say and for some reason it just when you said that, it came back to me like good, but like spam and and in the comments and stuff. It's like if you got all this time to just like make fake profiles of people and ask for money, it's like dude, why don't you put that towards like your own business, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, it's so funny People will put all their effort into something that they think is going to get them ahead when it doesn't Like it does not. So, unfortunately, the world has those people. You know, I think every successful person at some point will be offered a shortcut. That's not necessarily healthy and, like I said earlier, the integrity of the upright will guide them. You know, it's one of those things that man. I've had some situations. I'm not gonna name them on this podcast, but Name them. Name them. Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 1:I've had lucrative opportunities come to me and so, if I'm not trying to put myself on the pez of soul by saying this, all I have all these opportunities and they just felt wrong though. Yeah, it wasn't right and I'm glad I didn't go down that route. It would have been a bad road and stuff, but at the end of the day and stuff, man, you have to stay authentic to yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've thought about that. In the future, if I have sponsors or anything like that, which I know will come eventually, it's like I wouldn't want to have any sponsor that had any stake in like what I say, though.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Definitely you have to protect your brand integrity at that point because a lot of people they will try to control you. So it's like this. I've learned this from Dr Lance Wall now.
Speaker 1:So when you get to the term of influencers, which I hate that term I really do hate that term yeah, I hate that term and so I just want to be a person that wants to leave an impact. That's my mission. I want to be impactful and show people how to do things. But you will find these brands I'm about to follow up with what you said about controlling so you'll have these brands that they have influence for marketing because people trust people right, people trust people before sometimes they trust an organization and so you have a bunch of influencers that and they're doing pretty good for themselves. I mean, they strike up brand deals and stuff. It's just a way this digital age is working and so if they control your mouthpiece, they control your mouth. To get you to say, have to be very careful and very not sure if shrewd is the word, but you have to be very shrewd, very staunch with the way that you go about accepting deals. You have to, you know you could give yourself away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could, you could, and some people blindly sign their name on a contract.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sign your like you. Yeah, and they'll sue you. You can sign your image or all kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you will sign your life over and they will sue you. They will. It's a wild wild world when you get to the digital marketing and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I always want to be able to say what I want to say and I always want to have the guests I want to have. Definitely that's the main things I'm really worried about as far as making sure this stays like what it is. For sure I don't want to interview nobody just because they're popular or something. If I don't genuinely think that we're going to have a fun conversation, I definitely do not want to talk to you, and that's just what it is. There's been people that suggested things like why don't you have so-and-so on?
Speaker 1:I don't feel it. You don't feel it and listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just trust my gut. So I'm like no, I only want to talk to people I want to talk to and I don't want no brand to do anything. So somebody was like but I see the dilemma, like here's a million dollars, say what we want you to say, and you see it in like celebrities. And one thing I'm not voting for nobody just because a celebrity tells me I think that's just where my mind goes. But it's just like that's 100% feels like a brand deal, just a political version of it.
Speaker 1:Definitely and what it does, what it does to your brand. So we call that, in the digital world, being a digital prostitute. Digital prostitute is like a real thing. You start sacrificing your brand integrity for the sake of a sale, for the sake of something, and people smell the authenticity of and there is so much you wave. I want to tell you something I heard someone say this before like people will wave money at you and that could be a strategic plan to pull you out of your purpose for your life, because they're waving money at you and it's like no, at this point it's about purpose.
Speaker 1:Someone who I listened to before. He said don't chase money because you chase purpose. You know money comes in behind the purpose. It comes in behind it and if you're always chasing a dollar, you're going to be led around everywhere. And don't get me wrong, like you have to work, you have to make a living, right, I mean, there are some things you know out there that you do have to go do to earn a living. But you get these higher end influencers and you have to be careful because I mean and I've been accused of being gotten mad at my laser engraving videos they thought you sold out huh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sold out, like no, I'm still doing handmade, I'm still. This is just another form of art. You know the way you know we do this and I blend them together. Of course, you're not going to make everybody happy, never.
Speaker 2:And I think the more people that tap into you it's like you're there's like a math equation or something the the more people you have, the more people you'll piss off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your options, like I said, the pyramid wall ago, your options get so small when you're creating.
Speaker 2:I know this is kind of off topic, but when you're creating, do you feel like you tap into something different? Because when I think of the word art, you can do anything and it'd be art, right. Do you feel like you tap into something more than yourself when you do art, or do you think it is just you're just expressing, like, what's coming out of you? I don't know how I'm wording, I don't think I'm wording that right, but do you get what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:No, I totally get what you're saying, man, and it's a double-edged dagger there, because your gift you have that, you have something you know you're supposed to do. That gift turns into a skill once you own it, you know, sit there and sharpen it long enough, right, and then your skill turns into something that you give to people, right and so. But yeah, there is a I guess you could say a flow state or something like an expression of you coming out because you're in that video, like when I make my YouTube videos, I'm in that video, that's me in that video. And some of these videos I'm doing with scripts too, because I'm giving away a bunch of knowledge, but I don't want to script in a way that I'm sounding like an android, just like this, giving away knowledge. I'm no good at scripts and you've got to find your flow, man. This is hard to replicate this energy when we're live like this, because stuff comes out that people can grab.
Speaker 1:But there's other videos that I have to do. That has to be so highly polished, man, that I have to script a certain way, because I mean I've been doing this long enough, but isn't that art too? Though it is, it is you have to learn to, and I'm not saying I have it all together. I don't want to come across as braggadocious or prideful or anything else like that. Like I said, I'm still learning, but man, it is an art form, it is basic learning, journalism in a certain way. But like on my videos, man, it is. I am expressing myself and what I pride myself on. In my videos there's times I've got any strength overextended, becomes your weakness. All right, yeah, anything overextended, like if you're going to talking, you're probably going to be talking too much. You know and you know vice versa. You know one of those things I wasn't getting onto him there but, I, just know myself.
Speaker 1:No, I know me. I'm telling on myself because I'm talking a lot.
Speaker 2:When I started, when I started doing podcasts, I would catch myself because I was like well, I started myself talking to people and I would be like being strategic, how I'm talking to somebody like in regular conversation. And lately I've been trying to chill out on that because I'm like I cannot treat regular life like it's a podcast episode, because then I'm like playing with like real life. You know what I mean. Well, you know why you're doing that, right.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to get better at least. Yeah, you're getting better, but it's on the forefront of your mind. You're developing that skill. That skill comes out in everyday conversation and, dude, I've done the same thing with videos. When I talk with people. You know, I told you before we started this podcast, I said I'm going to make my point and get which. I really. I didn't, I didn't, I don't think I've done that because you're so easy to talk to. I've got the point. Yeah, so, but like with the videos, man, there is something that you know.
Speaker 1:I would tell this as a tip to anybody, just from what I've learned, that people are there. Dr Miles Monroe says people are there for your fruit. They're not worried about you, they don't care about you, they care about what they can get from you. And I hate I'm not trying to be mean, I'm not trying to, but that's what people do. I mean it's realistic People.
Speaker 1:When they come to my videos, they're looking for something highly informal, without being too much knowledge that they're going to get, something that they can take away, a skill or some piece of knowledge that they can take away with that has not drowned them, held their head underwater with so much information, but just a perfect amount. And that's what I pride myself on is articulating good but also, at the same time, being myself in finding what they need to do. You know, being myself and finding what they need to do, find out what purchase they need to make, because a lot of what I do on my channel, with laser engravers and even wood carving, I help people make decisions what to buy. Yeah, what to buy, I mean, it's just not reviews but other things. I teach them creative skills that they can use.
Speaker 2:There was a guy on YouTube and I think he's insanely successful right now, but he was kind of smaller. When I first started recording people. He was really good at just telling me what I needed to know, and he was a real relaxed guy, kind of funny. He's called Wavy Wayne and he'll teach you how to record. You could go to his channel and you would know how to record if you watched enough videos, and so it was never too much information. So I'm just equating that to what you were saying, and I learned well from videos like that. It wasn't overwhelming information, but he was just like here's what you need to do and his screen is up. I can pull my screen up and just not necessarily copy it, but copy it and then play with it. So that's. I mean.
Speaker 2:I imagine that's how a lot of things are created, and I think about creativity a lot, because we're all just grabbing somebody else's ideas and manipulating them in a way that just feels right to us, and that would be how I would describe art. However, you're doing art, you're taking somebody else's like what, their art that they came up with, and you're just kind of flipping it, Because we all come from like a different. We come at everything at a different angle, Like me and you. We probably agree on so many things, but that doesn't mean that we'll look at something and have the exact same interpretation of it. So yeah, so we're coming at our art from different angles, even though if you asked us a hundred questions, we would probably agree on probably about eight.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, dude, I totally agree with you. And if you look, one of my favorite books says there's nothing new under the sun. I mean, there's something that's always going to be done again. And there was a book that impacted me so much when I was in an online film school. They recommended it's called Still Like an Artist. It's a very, very short book and it opened my mind and it basically talked about when you do something, oh I'm going to be the first person to do this. Nope, someone's already done it in some capacity.
Speaker 1:And Rabbi Daniel Lappin said this and this impacted me so much. He said if you think about the table of elements, you bring zinc together, you bring sulfur together, you bring all the stuff and start creating things. He said that's what creativity is. I mean, was it? Bob Proctor said that the iPhone has always been. He said we still have these radio waves going back and forth. You had to get the piece of plastic, piece of glass and a chip to put inside of it. It was already here, the elements were here, you just had to combine them. So I think essentially he got into creativity what it is. It's just combining two different things together, like an alarm clock. I mean, it shifted from old brass alarm alarm going back and forth. Now we have digital alarms. It's the same thing, right? Yeah, in different capacity.
Speaker 2:It's not nothing new. It's the same thing, right yeah, In different capacity. It's not nothing new. It's like music. I've watched the, especially like recording music. It's just like evolution of it. Or fashion People are wearing clothes that look different. They look like stuff that's already been through waves. You can't do anything new. All you can do is put like your, your little. I don't even know what to describe it is.
Speaker 1:Your little twist on it yeah, yeah, for sure, man, for sure, I totally agree, like some of my favorite musicians are people that don't just listen.
Speaker 2:So, like in your genre, you can be somebody that, and I know people that's out there. They're like I'm a country artist and you ask them what they listen to and it's like, well, I listen to this brand of country. That person is going to make that brand of country right. It would be almost impossible for them to branch out. It seems like some of the best musicians are people that listen to a ton of different genres. Yes, because then they can do what they call genre bending or blending. That's a good term. That's how you really get into crazy music, because that's the only way you can be different in music is you take some type of this and mix it with some type of that, because there's already this and there's already that, and then, once you do it, this and that makes your new thing, and then that's something. So if somebody sees that, they'll have to put something else towards it to make it. Make it that it's.
Speaker 1:It's like a never ending thing, yeah to make it that it's like a never-ending thing. Yeah, dude, that's so good, because I remember when I was younger listening. I was raised up in a Christian household so at the time I didn't listen to a lot of secular music. I didn't know what was out there and I heard shred guitar for the first time. I'm like, oh my, you can play guitar this fast. Do they speed this track up? Well, you know, it just blew my mind. I remember listening to you, remember Dream Theater. I'll go look them up the old metal rock stuff. It may not be your thing, but anyway they were adding this piano into this metal, but anyway it reminded me of what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people were just doing wild stuff. I don't know. I've always been able to hop genres. I've made a little bit of music, I've been able to do a lot of different things, but it just came from like I might be listening to Hank Williams Jr and then I might put like Sway Leon or like Quavo what a crazy swap there. But it's just like. I know people like Post Malone amaze me. Like Post Malone has topped the charts in rap. He's topped the charts in rap. He's topped the charts in alternative rock and topped the charts in country. That's insane it is. He grew up listening to those different types of music, so he's able to do it.
Speaker 2:I really think that I don't know how you could put that to like this. I feel like for me as a podcaster and this is why I listen to so many podcasts is like I'm trying to draw these different type of like almost host energy to become and then and then take them and just like the music and put my own style on it and then I can just like genre blend Definitely. And that's how you get Joe Like cause I'm me, you know what I'm saying. I'm bringing my experiences, but I'm trying to, but I'm drawn from, like Rogan and then like Lex Friedman. Then I listen to a lot of comedy podcasts where they really focus on keeping it light too. So it's like I don't want to just sit there and ask serious questions all the time. I want to laugh and have fun.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think it's good to have that balance, man, just like you're saying he had all these different charts. I mean, he's an artist but he expresses himself. He has so much in him and he has a platform. His gifting is what Music? Singing. But he expresses himself this way, but it's through singing. I think it's cool to see you do that, because you're passionate about all these different topics that evolve around what Audio? Right? Yeah, and so you're. Yeah, you're expressing yourself through this in different ways. So, man, that it's really cool that you can kind of see and put that together into it intuitively.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, I listened. So Spotify rap came out. Everybody's getting their Spotify. Uh, they're getting their numbers and stuff. How long I listened to like I think I listened to like a thousand minutes of, uh, music, cause I I I've really stopped listening to music as much now 30, I think it's 38,000 minutes podcast this year oh my gosh bro.
Speaker 2:That's 600, in the math 630 hours of podcasts this year I listen to. Oh my gosh man. That's amazing. And to me I'm like studying, which I have a guy love. So I work by myself most of the time. We have a septic company, me and my dad and I it'll be mine soon and I do a lot of the stuff you know. And so I'm by myself, I'm in a work truck or I go to a restaurant. I'm by myself. I do a lot of things by myself during the daytime. I always have a podcast going. It's like, why not? Like, why not learn all day? And I do audio books and stuff. But I like conversation Two guys talking, or a guy and a girl or whoever talking, I don't know, that's who you are.
Speaker 1:It's cool, but you're still. You're at a point now you've done so many podcasts I think you can do what you call what I call medicinal listening, like you're listening but you're learning, you're gathering data, and that data is like being stored. It goes in the back of your mind and you may have something just like a nugget. You know what I'm saying, that you feel that you store in the back of your mind, and I do that all the time with audiobooks or YouTube videos, because I'm always listening, and that's one thing they said about a lot of these very successful individuals they will speed read because they've read so many books. They're looking for that one nugget.
Speaker 2:I listen to podcasts on 1.4. 1.4, okay, oh, they're rolling, and if I listen to one on regular speed, even when I go back and listen to my stuff I turn it up fast. I don't want to sit here and listen to me say, uh and think about stuff. I need the information. I got stuff to do?
Speaker 1:I used to edit podcasts back from 2017, almost to 2019. And I got where I was at 2.0. I was going and I'd read the waveforms clip in here. I already knew the ums I was going to take out. I could read them like now they have the AI software, they're just removing that. Yeah, I haven't tried it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've thought about it. But one thing I do, I like I have I've been doing less and less editing. At first I tried to like make these all, but I don't know. I'm heavily influenced by Rogan, I can't lie, but I mean he's the number one podcaster.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's amazing, he did not do that.
Speaker 2:He's like dude. It has to feel real. People don't say, people say like a million times when they talk. That's how people talk, that's how real conversations go. So you can dress it up but you may be taken away from it and people just sit around and think man, this feels doctored, this feels yeah, doctored, you know.
Speaker 1:And can I make a segue right quick, not to talk about me again, but I remember on my YouTube videos, like some of my highly polished videos, I was so worried about the way I would articulate because I was like I got really stuck in this mode for a good while of balancing formality with me being the genuine me, and it was hard because I was like being so formal, so well articulated and even though those videos did well, it wasn't like necessarily me. It had the heartbeat. People still loved it, don't get me wrong, but it was like I said that I wasn't authentic. Why am I acting goofy there? Why am I doing this? It's like I fell into the trap of. I think I was finding myself. I think over time you just kind of find your stride and I know it depends it took me forever to learn this Depending on your objective.
Speaker 1:There are some videos that I go super relaxed in and there are some videos I go super formal, depending on the nature of what it is. Because I have so much data I've collected I can do this here and not that I'm constantly thinking, oh, I'm going to be a robot here for camera lock, which way is the right way to do this. Do I read by a script or do I go just live like this, and for what you're doing, yes, live. For what I do. I can't go live. I would have killed my retention.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to be. There's a certain objective. Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I do it in a certain way and it's a weird thing, and not that I do it the right way, but you have to find your own flow with it. Man and content creation. I won't lie, it's hard. It is hard because you find out stuff about yourself and you find yourself doing goofy things you never thought you'd do because you're like these are all an hour long, dude, the crazy stuff I focus in on myself.
Speaker 2:When I because people do podcasts and they tell me all the time, oh, I don't watch the episodes Like, not only do I, I edit the episode, I watch it, I listen to it. So like, yeah, I don't know, I study myself. I'm like, hey, that's awesome though most people don't. Yeah, because people they'd always buzz my mind. They're like, yeah, I have a podcast, but I don't watch the episodes. Oh, some of my videos like what?
Speaker 1:do you mean? Yeah, some of my videos, man, I watch and catch. But I will re-watch a video. Between editing this last one I went I pulled I think this last edit was 14 hours and that I just uploaded a few days ago and anyway, I watched that thing probably through probably about 11, 12 times, you know, to make sure things were right and it may be a little overcooked. But like I get hung up on, you know, I try not to be perfect, they say. You say be excellent, don't be perfect, be excellent. Perfection is rooted in insecurity. Actually, like a quote machine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I am.
Speaker 1:I love quotes I love.
Speaker 2:A good quote.
Speaker 1:I got a quote for that. Yeah, I take it.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think, with AI coming up, I take it. I don't know. I think, with AI coming up, I think it's going to be super important for us to be authentic, because I think our last hope of people actually wanting to hear from you is if you're going to be, you're going to bring like a real, true form of the human experience. Yeah, that's the only way you beat AI, the human experience. Yeah, that's the only way you beat AI. So, on Spotify wrapped, I was looking at this. They said there was like your podcast replay or something. So I was like, yeah, I want to go see that. I clicked it. It was a different deal. It wasn't what I thought it was. This was TL Notebook, google's AI, not Gemini, but it's powered by Gemini. Right, it was two AI hosts talking about my music habits throughout the year and it was, and it was not bad. It wasn't bad and I didn't like it.
Speaker 2:It upset me a little bit because I'm like, because it feels like, oh, I'm finally getting good at this, and they're like, oh, we got a robot we got a robot for that yeah, but I think the only way we and it had ums and breaks and it sounded very realistic and breaths and all that stuff our only hope as creators, I think, is to you. I mean, you're really going to have to tap into the human experience, because I do think people are going to want to keep hearing from other people, right? Yes, I don't think AI can completely take the entertainment stuff out, but it will impact it, right? And I think if you're like a sham or if you don't understand yourself or things like that, you might be one of the first ones to get replaced.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you will be sifted. And it's so funny you bring this up because I was thinking about this the other day, actually me and chase or excuse me, chasing me if I'm being formal here chasing me. We're talking about this and I told him the day, bro, I I saw this, this tick tock saying that long form content is coming back, like these upcoming years, it's about to make a comeback. You got this. Short form content is going to start going, going away. And he said you know why that is right. And sorry, chase, if you're watching this, I'm going to butcher your quote. It hit me so hard. He said because any little kid or any person out there can be perfect in 30 seconds by reading a GPT script and being but he said you give them a 15 minute long video.
Speaker 1:You give them an video. They can't be authentic. They don't know, they're just reading off something, trying to do some viral idea. And I'm going to give you a quote from Dr Miles Monroe. Come on, I can't quit laughing. Fame is like a flame it goes away. Be a person of impact. Impact lasts a long time. You can be famous, but it goes away. Like if you're bringing impact and something is to be said about that, because I think we all have heartbeats, right, we resonate, and this upcoming this, everything getting so fake, there is going to be a bunch of starving people craving the authentic. I believe it's gonna happen on social media.
Speaker 1:You watch it happen, I'm totally, totally with you on this fact that there's gonna be a lot of people just craving the authentic, and they say your vibe attracts your tribe. Another quote I'm going to be saying that throughout this whole thing. And so, anyway, I think you attract people to you. I've taken a lot of consulting classes, a lot of social media classes on different things, courses, all the stuff out there, yeah, and that's one thing that they say that you know you attract people. There's other people doing podcasts like you, but what sets you apart? It's what you can, what's coming out of you, man, you're going to attract people like yourself to you and that's why it's kind of like this you have a thumbprint, right, everybody has thumbprints. Isn't it amazing? The billions of people that has been here, that's here right now and before us all had thumbprints, but they're all different, yeah, meaning that you have your own creative juice, that you have See how do they test that, though.
Speaker 2:How do they know it ain't somebody from the 1600s that had my thumbprint? How could they know that?
Speaker 1:Well, it's funny that you say that Because there's I'm not saying there's evidence, I don't know, but I'm not saying there's evidence I don't know. But you can dig in some conspiracy stuff.
Speaker 2:But just saying it's like the snowflake thing. You haven't looked at all the snowflakes. No, we haven't, but anyways. But anyway, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2:My brain just went that way. But that's hilarious, bro. No, I get it though. Yeah, we are strangely unique, but I've thought about this a lot. I even thought about man.
Speaker 2:I was talking to somebody on some podcast, I can't remember, you know, like even even the concept of like twins that live a completely similar life, they may end up complete opposites. You know, you know, you can out of the box. We are different, right, yeah, we are, but, like, even even twins have different experiences. Like, we just cannot have the exact path. There's no way. It's just not possible for me and you to have the more similarities we have, it seems like the easier it is for us to like vibe, but you just can't. You just have your life, and nobody in history has ever had your life.
Speaker 2:It may have, it could be closer, it could be further, but that is, you are 100% you, and that is something that is special, right, yeah? And AI is not going to be able to do that. And somebody was saying well, you're going to be one of AI's easiest targets because you've got hours of Internet and they could load up all the hours of me talking on the Internet and they might do a good job, but they still won't be me. But they're not you, yeah, because they might do a good job, but they still won't be me. But they're not you, yeah, because they didn't go through all this stuff. They didn't go through the actual stories that I tell on here.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can I tell you a quote?
Speaker 1:Please. Actually it's more of a story. I was watching this guy. He went up he's actually going up on stage to preach and he notes. He said, man, he had this big old sermon plan. He said I got there I forgot my notes and he thought about what he's going to do. Then he said he just had it hit him. He said I created those notes. Those notes didn't create me, it's inside me. It will come out. So it just reminds me of something. I mean you can't replace the authenticness that's been placed inside of you from someone higher.
Speaker 2:I believe it. I think so this, while we're talking about AI, we can let it take a turn.
Speaker 1:I don't care we can take a turn, yeah, let us be a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, but I think no, these aren't even conspiracy theories. This is just like this is. I don't think a lot of people are paying attention enough and they don't freak out enough. I honestly think that I'm super tapped in, especially like a lot of these podcasts I've listened to. These are, you know, the people making them, like Lex Friedman. Lex Friedman has these people that are creating the AI on there and they tell you, oh, this is what we've been doing with the large language models and stuff like that. And then there's these two guys that come on Rogan. Their whole goal in life is to make sure that AI gets regulated. So, like they go to all the summits, they go to all the deals, because right now, globally, we're going to have to figure out AI before it gets too big. And we have all these other conflicts and stuff going on.
Speaker 2:Ai is like an arms race right now, too, between us and China. We can't stop, they can't stop. They don't think we'll stop. We don't think they'll stop. Nobody's going to stop. It's going to be incredibly tough to regulate it. It's going to grow. It's going to grow into something. Yeah, and there's for every person out there, that fear that calls you a fear monger, or people that are. Maybe there is true fear mongers that are just sitting around Like let's take advantage of the topic of AI, maybe that is a thing, but for every person like that, there's another person sitting around saying, oh, you shouldn't worry about that. So what I'm saying is is that it's scary and it's coming down the pipeline and not many people are actually tapped in to its true capabilities.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I think people get really out of touch and I would like to say this people that don't at least look at it, because some people like you said, well, that's fear mongering, they're this or this. You can't deny reality. If you start looking and if you look through the history books, it's stuff that's happened. I mean, did you expect covid to happen, did you? You know, look at all the domestic abuse, abuse cases that came out of that. Like this, this stuff starts. Then you know, one thing happens after another. Right, my theory on that.
Speaker 2:Go ahead the, the domestic violence and the covid. That's because people were out of work and they'd never been around their partner before. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, right, right, like damn. I don't even like you, I know, I know that's crazy, I have been at work all these days.
Speaker 1:I do not like you. Yeah, that's hilarious, but yeah, no, you. It is scary what's coming out and people that hasn't looked into these things? I mean you can start seeing data on certain things that it really is scary. I mean it's crazy If you start looking and even diving deeper I could get into other topics right now and people say, well, that would never happen, that would never happen.
Speaker 2:I'm like no, that would never happen is a bad thing to start thinking yeah, especially in this age. This is the age of happened happening. I really believe that.
Speaker 1:Wait until it happens to you. A lot of people that was saying and I hate to say this, but it was in a fatal car wreck or something. I never thought that happened to me, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:It changes, it checks you. A lot of Navy SEAL guys are like, no, I never thought it could happen to me until I got shot. Then I started thinking a lot of them dudes are badass dudes and like they don't get touched. Yeah, you get shot in the arm one time.
Speaker 1:You're like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, yeah, I have the most respect for the Navy SEALs man. It is. I love listening to them. Dudes, did you ever play so-called Navy SEALs growing up? Remember that video game? Uh, okay, well, I don't take us down that road, but, and really, into the. Navy SEALs.
Speaker 2:I was in the military but I was not like that. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, I did some combat training, but not like that. Those guys are the guys that we looked up to. We were like, no, that is the top of the line. Oh, I was listening to. They call him Shrek. They call him John McAfee, the Sheriff of Baghdad. Think I've heard of him.
Speaker 2:This dude is the most wildest dude you ever heard. He used to go on these solo missions in Baghdad. He was a big part of taking down Saddam. Oh, okay, and this dude would go on these solo missions. They called them dang. What did? They call them Singletons and this is a very rare thing, like where they send one super badass dude in to do something. That's just unbelievably crazy. And he was like I can't believe they gave you permission. He would just go deep undercover into these deals. But it's so crazy how wild they are and the stuff they go through and then how they have to adjust to life. Like coming back from all that I can only imagine. Yeah, they kill dudes. I know it's insane to come back and just be like a regular guy.
Speaker 1:I know, like what kind of training do they have to go through to do that? I mean, the older I get, you know you're younger, you're watching movies. Man, I could do that, I don't go through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we used to clear houses and do all that stuff and like, because I did a little battle combat training and it's like they would. I always would think to myself during all these like fake missions, like I carried a machine gun around for a long time and I always just thought like every time, especially every time I shot it, I was like dude, like if there was somebody, devastation, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, I carry the 240 Bravo and they shoot 7.62, so like a 30-06 bullet coming out of a machine gun, yeah, and I used to carry like a thousand round belt on you yeah, that does not take long, and like we would. Just the way they trained us to shoot like like across, like you could. I could only imagine. It's insane. But my point is I never did anything. I don't want to take any military credit, I really was just like a glorified, I just trained a bunch basically. So I don't want to know none of that. But I always thought to myself, what would I do in those situations? If the actual situation happened, which it never did, I'm very lucky, I'm very blessed that I never had nothing of that, you know, because there is like some extra stuff for them guys that go through that. I don't want to be categorized, even with them dudes, right, but I did used to think like man holding this machine gun, like this, it's like terror in my hands, Like this is insane.
Speaker 1:I can only imagine the way that feels man, Especially being in the military. I mean, obviously I love I collect knives, I love guns and stuff, but being in a military part, like you were man, I couldn't imagine it.
Speaker 2:It was fun, it was terrible, but it was crazy. It's just like it's like the biggest organization. That doesn't make any sense 95% of the time. Oh really, I bet you learned a lot though, didn't you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, and I'm an outdoors guy. I picked a stupid job that doesn't translate to anything, but maybe like private security or anything, because it's infantry or whatever, so it's like. But anyways, ai, my bad, that's how fast it goes. There's crazy stuff coming down. The pipeline is. I don't know if you looked at AI Sora, I have not, yet they're typing things into a prompt and getting full video. The example I always use on the show is there's these mammoths running through the snow. They just typed in mammoths running through the snow prompt Wow, and it looks real. There's a lady walking through Tokyo. They just typed that in Bam Mm-hmm. It's crazy. Oh my gosh man.
Speaker 1:We're here, dude, we are.
Speaker 2:Like okay, so people are worried about like misinformation and stuff like that. And don't take me down that rabbit hole at all as far as like censorship and misinformation and all that stuff. I don't want to go there. But censorship and misinformation and all that stuff, I don't want to go there. But people are worried about that, Like somebody getting on the internet and disagreeing with you. You don't know the half of misinformation that was going to come down the pipe. Oh, I know Actual faking stuff that's going to be incredibly hard to tell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, I can only imagine from stuff I've been hearing, dude Seriously, and the whole misinformation stuff. There's a lot of people that I've listened to live live on Facebook, live on YouTube. They would hit certain trigger keywords. I've watched it live. They cut them. They cut them, oh yeah, because it's real. Obviously it's real and spoiler alert. When someone said this is misinformation, there is a good, not the one to say that everything's right. There's good.
Speaker 2:That means you're touching the right. That means you're touching the right thing Pay attention.
Speaker 1:I'm serious, I believe it, I'm serious.
Speaker 2:Well, things like. My issue is that censorship gets politicized, right, and then when we start thinking things about like okay, we might start categorizing stuff as what someone may consider hate speech, or what someone may consider this or that hate speech, or what someone may consider this or that, the problem is, whoever is in power, whoever has the control of the monitoring, gets to decide what that is so like. Well, we talk about fact checking. Okay, who's fact checking? The fact checker? Who gets to decide what is a fact? Because a lot of things. How can you fact check a subject like a subjective matter? So, like, some of these things are gray, but now you're fact checking them because it leans to your side.
Speaker 2:If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, as a man that was on Rogan I listened to this actually today If you really want to get down, I want to get his name right, so I don't butcher this and it would take me forever to load. His name is Mike Benz. Mike Benz, not Mike Benz, mike Benz, and he was just on Rogan. They talked for about three hours. Yeah, at the end of this, three hours, you'll, it's, it's, I'm just. I don't even know how to describe it.
Speaker 1:Throw it out there.
Speaker 2:There's other. It it's like everything I've almost learned learned yeah comes back to like corporations putting pressure on things, like media things, like social media things, like you know a lot of the end of the, at the end of the day, a lot of this comes down to like big giant corporations or geopolitical things and we just think it's like, oh, they're just they trying to censor us or this and that. But no, there's all these like really rich, powerful people that have special interests. Yeah, they have agendas.
Speaker 1:That imposes with agendas and everything else. There's a guy I listened to his name. I think I did a quote by him a while ago Dr Lance Wallnau. He talked about them being. There are seven mountains and one of them is the Arts and Media Mountain, and he talks about who controls the gates at the top, that the influencers are obviously the Media Mountain.
Speaker 1:Who owns the Media Mountain? Google, yeah, facebook, and you start getting all the ones where the stuff comes out, right, yeah, and so they control the direction of traffic at the top of the mountain, right, they get through. And so it's like you start digging deeper and may lose some people here when I say this, but if you do the math, because most people just well, they're just conspiracy, you know, and I told you this off the, if we're going to go there, if we're going to go there, joe, I will. Okay, the word conspiracy came about in the fifties. It did, and I have so much, I've spent years studying this stuff, but it's just one of those things. I don't talk about this stuff because it poisons conversations. Right, we can talk about it on the podcast, because it gives people like you know, I hope my listeners are like kind of like that stuff.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:So I know, yeah, so you've cultivated your audience there. But yeah, the word conspiracy came across in the 50s and you got labeled a conspiracy theorist, meaning you're given a theory over a conspiring. That was happening because when we, the people, were calling the government on the bull crap, they well, you're this and the government's big right, they can brand you as the black sheep and you're, you know all, you're this, you know and do a defamation campaign on you. Yeah, that's like the original cancel. Yeah, yeah, so that, yeah, it was, and so that still came through the pipeline. So, if you mention something that's outside the norm, you know, if you look at the Titanic and all the different things, it's just interesting stuff and I'm not saying all this happened but you start looking at the different things that happened started happening in all the power plays throughout history.
Speaker 2:You're going to find some wild stuff? Wasn't there a bunch of rich people on the?
Speaker 1:Titanic, yeah, mainly. Then one dude, I can't remember who was it, was it Rothschild? I can't remember. It was one of them. Yeah, it got off right at the last minute. He got off and then owned everything after that.
Speaker 2:Or something like that. You have to go factboats yeah, give me one of those lifeboats. Yeah, so, but no, I don't have no stocks to I have no stocks to lose. I don't have the right stocks to sink the cruise ship Right.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it's wild stuff and even if some of it's, like you know, there's going to be a little bit of, I would say, some wrong information. You know some things, but also, if you start looking, you're gonna find some very interesting things in life that happen that most people that they don't wanna listen to even spiritual stuff. And I say this, and I wanna say this the right way I was raised up in a Christian household, it's. You know, I heard this one minister quote this before Joe that he said there's a lot of Christians that need to grow up in their thinking. Like, really, when you start reading the Bible and start going through these things, there's some hard things in there, man, and like we take the Old Testament With craziness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we'll accept real fast. Okay, there's a guy with a boat and I'm not being sacrilegious here, like, hear my heart, people who listen we believe that there was a guy with a boat and all these animals came in and then a flood happened, right. Then we have all this evidence of a flood right, of oysters and stuff being at the top of mountains. I mean, obviously I mean it points back to a flood. But we have a heart, we accept that. Okay, it's in the Bible, but we accept the other things that we're. Excuse me, we don't accept the other things that, but we'll accept this right here because it's written right. And I'm not saying we have to fully embrace things. That's too far out there, because it's not. I don't dig into everything, but there are some things, man, that I think that we should embrace a little bit, because it's wisdom, because of things that are coming.
Speaker 2:I had a preacher on here and he told me. One thing he said to me and this was interesting is that he didn't really. He said that he thinks some of the stuff from the Old Testament are just stories, and I don't know where that tracks with you. That's just. I'm just throwing that out there. What do you think about that? Like? What do you think? Or do you think everything in? Like the Old Testament, like happened?
Speaker 1:I would say this, and I'll start off by saying this quote I'm just gonna have to make you laugh at this one. You don't have to accept everything in order to embrace it, and there are very hard things to accept in the Bible, but I am. I will say this, depending on different you know denominations that you're in. They believe in certain things, and I want to say, first of all, I respect everybody's belief. You know, completely respect it. We can disagree all day long and I'm still going to get along with you, man, I love everybody, but I'm a proponent of what's in the Bible. You can start looking, even scientific wise, and it backs stuff up that's in the Bible. And if you want to change your theology, real quick, go talk to a hospice nurse. They will change your theology faster than anybody else. And so, but yes, answer your question without long-winded statement. Yes, yeah, that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's interesting. There's a lot of things in there. That's just a question I thought of because of something he said. I'm talking to a pastor and he's like well, I think you got to take some of those stories in the Bible as stories like allegories or like something. Obviously, jesus spoke in parables.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I see what you're saying from that context. Now that you're saying from that context, now that you're saying that Joseph, yeah, I would have to agree with him on some things. Yeah, but there are some literal things in there depending. I would say, this is based on the context.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not saying that you think like it's all made up or nothing. That's not what I'm saying, like just to tell a good story. I'm just saying that, in the same way that Jesus told, parables, parables. Yes, okay, I got you now Totally 100%. Some of the stories in the Old Testament are stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and some things. Who?
Speaker 2:knows, there's a wild story in the Old Testament I forget where it's at. It's like a bear comes in a village and just wrecks shop. Or was it when they were?
Speaker 1:I'd have to look it up the kids were making fun of the prophet Elisha Maybe, and a bear came out and killed him.
Speaker 2:Bear in village Bible. We're going deep today, aren't we? Yeah, in the Bible, a bear appears in a story about Elisha and a group of people who mocked him for being bald. Yeah, the story is often interpreted as a moral tale about respecting elders or preachers, but some say it's an actual glimpse into the war that started in a garden and ended at an empty tomb. Yeah, stop making fun of bald people. I'll write that down in my notes Watch out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, antlock, with that you can pull many things from that. Right, you know whether that happened. I mean, do we have evidence? I mean it's the written word and everything, but we don't have technical evidence that it you know.
Speaker 2:So so I'm trying to ask good questions. I don't know.
Speaker 1:You're doing a good job.
Speaker 2:It seems like my job to try to ask better questions, like questions that don't get asked, and maybe from like the outside. Now I've been a part of the church where I was actually a youth leader and I had at Buchanan First Baptist. It was a role I wasn't really ready for or didn't need actually, but I was helpful in a situation where somebody else had built something cool and was leaving and so, like I kind of filled the role and it was only like a year and it turned out to be way too much pressure and it kind of I don't know it left a bad, bad deal.
Speaker 2:Bad taste in your mouth. Yes, I don't know, I don't know where. But to come back full circle to the question, which work with my brain here, how do you so like okay, people in turn, because I've even wrote lessons and stuff like that but like, when it comes to interpreting the Bible right, do you think you can go too far, as far as like this is what I want it to say. Oh, most definitely. I think I used to sit in there at church and I think I would hear things and I would be like, because I went and read a bunch of theological books and stuff you know, and because I was like dang, these kids are listening to me, I better say the right stuff and you get down to the bones of it. It's like some of these verses don't mean what they're saying.
Speaker 2:There's several examples, but it's been so long. I used to have a list of examples, but I don't even remember them now because it's been years. I was probably 21, and I'm 30 now. I deep dived from about 18 to 21. There was three years of like where I just didn't think about nothing else you know which was cool and it was a good time for me.
Speaker 2:And I don't know, I don't know, I really don't know. I honestly don't know.
Speaker 1:No, I got you. Well, I have a few things to tell you. So, yeah, well, I would say this man Number one the scriptures does say do not add to, do not take away. Now, within certain verses, there are expressions, there's like in the story of Elisha respecting the elders, and then it throw them back to the garden. There's different things, allegories, that you can pull from that right, but I would also say this at the end of the day, it's about the finished work of Christ on the cross, but within that there's many, many lessons within the Bible, very many spiritual things we can pull from it. It's like an onion, deeper revelations, like how you can take this principle and apply it here and I know you've had Chase on.
Speaker 2:He's amazing.
Speaker 1:One example he's brilliant, but you think you could overreach though. Huh, but you can't overreach.
Speaker 2:Because there's had to have been somebody out there that had something that even made a lot of sense, and somebody was like this think about this. Yeah, they use it as a tool to abuse people with. Yeah, the Bible is one of the most abused tools on the face of the planet.
Speaker 1:Gotta be. Because we call that. We call it white manipulation. White manipulation is meaning like you see something dark, you don't see it coming right, it's white. It's like oh, jesus, jesus is the perfect fall guy to use to manipulate people and it's being done so, so, so, so much. And so you do have to be careful. And when I say that white manipulation is like, oh, this is Bible, this person's pure, because they're a part of this ministry. This ministry can be a nasty thing, man. I've been in ministry for many years. I mean, they're on the backside of the, you know, the business part of it. It can be wild.
Speaker 2:I remember I used to sit in the business meetings and I was like, what's that mean, brother, brother?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll tell you one of the worst moments I had as a quote unquote youth leader. There's a great man, a great dude in town named Eric Aiken, an amazing dude. That's one of them. I always looked at Eric Aiken. That's a great guy.
Speaker 2:Fields of faith guy. I'm sure you know of him. He was putting together the first fields of faith and I was in the room because he used me for a couple of deals. I used to go with him and he took me to Arkansas University and we did it. It was crazy. I just ended up with him and he was like using me to do stuff places. And so I was in the room when they were coming up with the first fields of faith and stuff and there was all these youth pastors right and it was like 30 of them, which was cool. This was crazy. I was super excited.
Speaker 2:And there was a guy I won't mention his name but I mean you might put the pieces together here in a little bit. I don't care, he won't be able to hear this, no way because of how it turned out, but anyways, he was talking to some, some other ones, and then he walked away and I went up and introduced myself like hey, you know you got this big following. That's so cool. It seems like you're doing great. And he was like, how many kids do you have? And I was like so and so and he was like oh, walked off. And I was like, oh, wow, okay, that's what I tell my friends. I didn't know he was counting.
Speaker 2:I didn't know he was counting, but then he got in trouble for being with little girls, so yeah, and then he went to jail and then I was like, yeah, yeah, it kind of showed you his character right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, joseph, when you have people, no one's perfect, of course, but when you have people doing ministry at the end of the day, we all need grace and church hurt is different, bro, because they are not the people that's supposed to hurt you. That's not something that's supposed to hurt you. And the truth of the matter is, where you have people, you will have people that fail. It happens. It can be such a slippery slope, right, and ministry can hurt people. Sometimes you doing the work of God can kill the work of God in you, and it happens. It sucks when it happens.
Speaker 1:I've had it happen to me, man. I've had it happen to me and it's one of the worst feelings and some people don't get it unless you're in ministry or I've been hurt by the church. You know different things like that. That's a real thing. Yeah, you know, and there's also a lot of it is that you're immature and you got yourself hurt by not properly seeing things. Sure, and your rebellious heart and prideful heart has put you in a place and now you're being pigeonholed by the devil because you're acting like that, because you refuse wisdom. There's that part of it too.
Speaker 2:Right, there is a real part of things happen.
Speaker 1:Even Jesus said offenses will come, they're going to happen. They're going to happen, but also at the end of the day. But yes, you can. To get back to the original point, you can overextend yourself, you can start veering off, and it's so important to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It's so important, man, because even when you do, there's still things you're going to have to work on. We're all human, but people that's using ministry. You know how many followers you got, how many of this your heart's in the wrong place, brother.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what it felt like. And then, like the situation unfolded, I was like, oh, yeah, everybody will be tested for authenticity. Yeah, I believe that. Oh man, there's so many great like Christian dudes that I look up to. There's like Derek Murphy. I don't know if you know Derek Murphy. I haven't heard of him. Derek Murphy was a guy. I had him on here, so he's like a principal at one of these schools.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was a school teacher and so we talked about like history and did all that stuff too. But, like I don't know, there's a lot Like I don't know. I got kind of in a situation with the church that left a bad taste in my mouth, but at the same time I'm not like so emotional that I don't understand the good. The good that came out of it, right, yeah, there was even in my personal life. It was in a time that I needed it, you know, my mom had passed away. I joined this youth group and that was kind of like, and then I met my wife, you know, and then we've been together from since 2012. So I mean, there's good from it and you know. So there's this guy I follow and he's kind of like real anti-religion and you know, I don't delete people that I disagree with. I like seeing it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, Right? Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:That's something I've kind of just learned. It's like, hey, if I'm constantly seeing these deals, I'll never be able to lean too far one way, you know, because I'm always being challenged in a different direction sometimes. But anyways, I disagreed with this specific post. It was like you know well, I agreed and disagreed at the same time. Right, you know, he was like think of all the evil things that have come from religion. But I just don't. I don't think you can throw it all out, because you got to think about. You also have to think about all the positive things that have came from it. And I think a lot of people get on the anti-religion train and they'll just be like well, and I think a lot of people get on the anti-religion train and they'll just be like well, there was war and murder and people have been using it for all this for years. But then you got to think about the persons who, all the different people's lives who changed positively.
Speaker 2:Just because bad things happen, even in the organization, that doesn't necessarily mean all the bad things, like it doesn't mean the whole organization is bad, obviously. It's like when I so to move into something different a little bit, I always wonder about like, okay. So if we get to the bottom of, like a corporation being bad, okay, we understand this corporation is probably doing shady stuff. But at what level do you work up through the ranks and do you realize like, oh, this is bad, you know, because there's got to be thousands and thousands of people who don't, are not understanding that something's evil. Or do you think, if a corporation is evil, that it trickles all the way down? What do you think about that?
Speaker 1:Okay, when I think about this, I think that in some corporations that when you're on the inner circle, aka leadership, management side of things, you're going to see things in a different way. It's going to happen now, if that corporation is bringing answers to people, bringing them a product or something, there's a service right, there's an exchange happening with another human being and someone else is being blessed because of it. You can sometimes I, I will go back to the ministry. Uh, sometimes anointing leaves people. Sometimes you're getting their fruit.
Speaker 2:God anoints the fruit, but the person's no longer anointed right, yeah, so you could get a message from somebody that's maybe not even in the right spot, but they could still give you the message, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you're still eating the fruit. I mean, you know the gifts and callings are irrevocable. You can still provide a service. And, the most confusing thing, I can provide something for you and you're going to be like Matt, that's the most amazing thing ever. Then you come hang out with me for a while. Then you're going to see how nasty I am in my personal life, the way I deal with people and with people, and you'll be like it runs a product for you. Right, but what if you didn't know that?
Speaker 1:So some things good things can come out of a tainted place and that's a confusing thing because, like, because you know a good tree bears good fruit, a bad fruit, a tree bears bad fruit. But there are some things. The further you go, you know, you start seeing. So it's a weird thing. And yes, no workplace is perfect. But yeah, you can have an amazing product, but the place, from what it comes from, can be very flawed sometimes and their system allows them. I would say, in my own understanding here, their system that they currently have allows for this product to be brought to the marketplace. It's amazing, but inside, I mean, it's bad, it's toxic work environment, does that? Yeah?
Speaker 2:Or it could flip too. Yeah, you could be selling something you think is blessing people, but it could turn out to be like the top people know that it has like long-term effects or something. Yeah, and you could be selling something and think you're doing right. I guess that's kind of scary. I don't know why I went this route, but anyway, no, you're good, I mean I'll go there.
Speaker 1:You can be doing bad on accident, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what do you think about megachurches? Oh gosh, you were really getting it in. I thought about that a second ago because I was like me personally, like when I was thinking, eh, I'm not really rocking with that, but it's like somebody could get a good message or get some type of actual fruit from somebody. That is a phony, Like a yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've heard this quote before Chew the meat, spit out the bones. And yes, there are some people saying, well, why would you listen to it anyway? And I do agree. And there's a lot of people that I won't listen to, that I used to listen to, now I won't listen to. I'm like man, that's a little tainted message, right? And while I still do listen to people of megachurches, do I agree with everything? No, there's only one righteous judge. I can't really. There are some people, yes, like I need to stay away from that person, whether it be a moral failure or something else. You know, we've all sinned and I'm not making an excuse for any of those pastors or anything else that happened. I think, and I do think, that good comes from some of these mega churches and I'm not gonna knock on any of them. But, just like with anything, we've had stuff happen here at churches here, right, I mean there's and hey, god used a donkey, bro, god used a donkey. People will be utilized.
Speaker 2:I just think, like the little huddle meetings they were having, like, and part of that was because they were like getting killed stuff. But you know, oh, I see what you're saying, but I just don't think Paul or any of them people would see. Well, first of all, just seeing what a church is now, they would just, I don't know, even if they could understand the technological differences, I feel like they might just be like what is this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I imagine they would probably would too, and it's been in this digital age man. It's so like I know people there's people I do watch that has large audiences and stuff but it also, at the same time, is like, like I said, I chew the meat, spit out the bones and God can use a lot of things, man. But also, in the same thing, I don't have to agree with everything to get something from it, and I certainly don't want to be a person that says, oh, I can't learn from this person because they did this. No, there's a verse in Luke that I love to pull out. Jesus told his disciples to go learn from the children or from the world. He told them to go learn from the world. There are certain principles and stuff that's out there in the world.
Speaker 2:You know we have to there's things you can't be taught in church.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah totally.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's a lot of spiritual things I really want to preface myself. You go deep, don't you? You go really deep and, yeah, I love it, man, I love it. So let's just put it this way the Bible did not teach me to woodcarve. The Bible did teach me a lot of principles. If you start reading through there, there's a lot of good things and spiritual right I mean the finished work of Christ, obviously but there's a lot of biblical principles in there. You know you can read through Proverbs and start reading even lessons and other verses of the Bible that you can pull from.
Speaker 1:But I did not learn to woodcarve from that. I didn't learn how to study software to do this or do this. I had to go out and get that right from the culture around me, and so you know, it's just. It's one of those things, man, that when people get well, all I do reads the Bible. That's awesome. Oh, you know, you have a good time with that, you know. But also, at the same time, you didn't learn to edit this podcast, bob the Bible, did you no? And so I would like to relate that principle back, that there are some practical things that we have to go learn and do yeah, you know you got to go out in the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean we're in this world, not technical wise, you know, for the Bible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and even like the message. You know, like if you can't get that message out, if you don't go out, yeah, now the Bible says go ye, not come ye.
Speaker 1:Yeah and preach.
Speaker 2:No, it don't matter. I got lots of questions. I just I like to answer, I like to follow my train of thought just wherever it goes.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:Where can we go from this? I say we were talking about Genesis before we started. That's a fun place to talk about. Oh gosh, it is. Where can we go? I don't want to ask Go for it, dude. I'm Go for it, dude. Okay, so let's go this way. How old do you think the earth is? Where's your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1:I do not agree with the narrative whatsoever, so you don't believe the mainstream narrative as far as like no, no, the millions of years old that is a bunch of bogus stuff pushed by the Smithsonian's. And, by the way, I got to preface this before I get started. Oh my bad, this is your disclaimer right, this is my disclaimer.
Speaker 1:Click off the video right now if you don't hear this stuff.
Speaker 1:No, I love studying the Old Testament. I love studying the different elements of the Bible and looking at things. Not that, like I said earlier, you don't, not that I embrace everything, but there are some things that's fun to look at, you know, and a lot of people won't look at it because of the way it takes you off, you know. And there are some people in left field. To be honest with you, I may be one of them. There may be some people in left field with it, and you can.
Speaker 1:And I believe when you look at biblical things like this, I do want to have a biblical foundation of things, because there are some things. Even Solomon said it's not honorable to search out matters too deep, you know. But also, in the same sense, there are questions here that I have because of what has been found underground in the earth and stuff. And so, with that being said, my long disclaimer that don't you love how I told you I was going to answer shortly. He got me on here talking now. Man, I do not believe the mainstream media about the earth is millions of years old, because if you start going deep enough that takes away from the biblical story. It's not true. I'm totally against the idea. It's stupid. I will viciously attack that. I think the earth from the people that I follow that I trust that I've looked at man, I'd say between 14,000 and 16,000 years old.
Speaker 2:Interesting Yep. There was what they call the Younger Dryas Impact, what they think is somewhere around 11,800 years ago to 12,000 years ago, the last ice age, where a bunch of shit and this is my bad, but anyways, what's my show?
Speaker 1:It's your show, bro. I'm not judging dude.
Speaker 2:I always tell you something like damn, I said the F word. Sorry, bro, that just means you have a good presence about you. That I've, but it's a theory, that's still a theory, but a lot of people like.
Speaker 2:There's a guy named Randall Carson that studied a lot into you can see the effects of what the last ice age was. Yeah, yeah, anyways, that's 12,000 or so years ago, or at least the end of it. Yeah, that would be the end of it. So where am I going with this? I don't know. Your way would say that it's just starting. At that time, right? Have you heard of Gobekli Tepe? Wait, say that again. Gobekli Tepe in Turkey.
Speaker 1:No, I have not Enlighten me, please.
Speaker 2:It's been dated back to.
Speaker 1:I don't want to mess it up, but I think I want to say I haven't heard this.
Speaker 2:It's a structure in Turkey. Oh, okay, it's a monolithic structure and they took the dating back to 11,000 years ago. Oh my gosh, yeah, and go Bekli Tepe. There's this big controversy about it now because they're trying to turn it into a tourist attraction. They've only excavated 5% of this site and this might be one of the most influential sites like in the world Wow, as far as our understanding. But now Turkey is involved and so like they're going to turn into a tourist attraction more than likely, and it might be 150 years before they start excavating. I'm sure they started. That's just systems, that's just money. That's all that. Yeah, most definitely. Yeah, the settlement was inhabited from around 9500 BCE. Really, wow, that's 11,000 years ago.
Speaker 1:Have you ever? You know Machu Picchu, am I saying that right? Yeah, so the giant stones that's there, that's like molded and everything. Have you ever done any research on that? Uh-uh. So if you look at those stones, they are like perfectly fitted together. Let me type machu picchu, and so you can start looking at how much, oh, you're good. So you can start looking and researching the stones of how they were built and, like everybody agree, everybody agrees, how did man like mind this crazy and everything. So it's like you start looking because it's like they had some type of system to heat up this rock, to mold it almost like a lava, but put it in places. It's perfect. And so if you start looking at genesis six and all the stuff that was happening, if you you're familiar with scripture, the giants which they are found in America, you can go look at quotes of Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2:Have you ever heard of a dude that's on YouTube called the Y-Files? I think I have that dude's cool. He did a whole episode on giants. Oh really, yeah, I think I've that dude's awesome, but he's kind of conspicuous, but he's, and at the end what I do, like he does, is that he'll go against all, so like the whole episode would be 45 minutes long. He's building you up to believe this conspiracy theory. At the end he's like now, here's how I could be wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it throws that contention in the air and stuff.
Speaker 2:man, that's really cool.
Speaker 1:So at the end of the episode, you're like I don't know, yeah, but yeah, yeah, bro, yeah, back to that and stuff. It's just fascinating. You start seeing these megalith structures built and finding these, even artifacts that they have unearthed. There's a guy I follow called Steve Quayle. That guy is a wild, wild guy but they've unearthed some artifacts that it will really mess with your theology. Like they, you know, you start looking at different things that's on there, so like dinosaurs.
Speaker 2:Where are you at with the dinosaurs? Oh?
Speaker 1:dinosaurs. You really want to know? You want a quote? I don't have one, no, I'm just kidding. And so, yeah, dinosaurs, I believe. Well, two different things. I've heard two different theories and stuff, but dinosaurs, I do believe that they were around before the flood. I do believe they died with a flood. We may have forgive me, I can't exactly remember we have a few scriptures that point to dinosaurs, what people say, but I believe they died with a flood. And I heard one interesting theory that you'd be like so you get into the concept of gene mutation, right, and don't get me into stem cells and gene mutations and what's going on right now with. Oh, they'll be able to make superhuman soon.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh bro, yeah, all that. We could have went that whole other route if we don't integrate Ever. Looked at CERN Anyway we'll put that to the side. Yeah, the particle collider. That's another episode right, I listen to 600 hours of podcasts a year.
Speaker 1:Oh man, okay, I forgot who I'm dealing with here, guys. So yeah, but anyway, one of the things is like you look at a T-Rex, you know the little arms. Yeah, that's where they got the ideal for T-shirts at right Long little arms. I'm just kidding, I don't know that. No, you say I'm going to write that down and y'all write that down Like a T-Rex they have like little arms and big lizard right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You have some people that speculate gene mutation. But why would all the other animals, why would this? T-rex? And you start looking at the carnivores had sharp claws, sharp teeth. But you look at the herbivores, they all had like some type of defense mechanisms, right, spikes, yeah, yeah, it's wild Like spike yeah, spike yeah. From land before time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you start looking at things. It's just interesting speculation, but I also believe that part of those things you know, they found giant sloths, they found these giant beavers and they found these bones, man, but you got to look at in the concept of I believe it points back to the firmament. We had a lot. The oxygen concentration was so much higher and people lived longer. They grew in. I'm going to throw something back to you here in just a second biblically, but I believe that I got questions on the firmament. Oh, yeah, so, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, biblical or scientific, what word am I looking for here, man? I'm so lost right now. So, with some of the dinosaurs, I believe that was part of the gene mutations from Genesis 6. Because if you do read back, I don't want to lose anybody here. So don't click off when I mentioned this. But the book of the giants, which is the same, the oldest text, talks about the angels manipulated the seeds of the earth. They manipulated with the animals. So you do have stuff outside. We know the Bible says that the angels did come down and mate with the daughters of men.
Speaker 2:So they don't talk about stuff like this on Sunday.
Speaker 1:No, no, it loses people, like you'd be like, oh my gosh, what happened? But you start looking at the concept of Satan and everything else Lucifer, fallen. But you look at these giants which, by the way, I'm just going to say this, who am I? I'm just some guy from from, uh, tetra Kenner that makes YouTube videos. But I will tell you this if you start looking at the conquest of King David, you start looking.
Speaker 1:You know how God said kill them all, men, women and children. Why would a good God tell people to kill children? It goes back to Genesis six. They are not of a pure bloodline, they're not all human man. People can't digest this. They will not digest this. They're part of the Philistines, the signs they had tainted bloodline. It's angel blood and I know that sounds so crazy. Read your Bible. I'm sorry if that offends you. Go back. It's in your Bible. And this whole thing of what's happening right now I'm getting off because we still got to go back to the firmament. It goes back to what's going on now, the deception that's going on now, and the world is much bigger than what we play it out to be man, it really is. But if you go back to You're talking about the earth, yes, so all right, I'm not going to finish this.
Speaker 1:I'm going to land a plane here, so go ahead. My bad, I don't want to like but I have questions.
Speaker 2:How to ask this? Okay, so the explain the firmament to me.
Speaker 1:I'm not an expert, right, I'm not an expert, so I can't give you all the technical stuff on it, but the firmament held water right and it was encapsulated, I believe, around the earth and that when God Is it not here, no more. No, it broke in. The flood bro, water came up from the ground. That's what flooded the earth. It was a higher concentration, if you look. So before then there was water around us. Yeah, the firmament broke. It was like an encapsulated bubble, so we were floating. People say, well, people say scientists say that they had water above and water was underneath the earth as well. And so if the land was all together at that time, some people speculate. We talked before the podcast about the land broke away. Yeah, pangea type deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just one of those which that would have took a long time, like Pangea, would push the date of everything way further back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would be, but then again, depending on the context, from the dating that you're going with, right, so you know who truly knows the dating. So, like when you said well, I don't want.
Speaker 2:But when you said you think it's like 14,000 years old, but what do you do when they say, like they found those footprints from 20,000 years ago, I'd say it's plausible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could be wrong about the 14,000 years.
Speaker 2:You know, I think the biblical narrative Because I thought the biblical narrative was closer to like six or something it may be, I have a.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll say this. There's some contentions there that I believe because I still try to, this will go back to the firmament. But when Cain said to God because he marked him for killing Abel, he said the others will find me. Who are the others?
Speaker 2:They said well, that was his brothers and sisters. Because if everybody came from Adam and Eve, then that's a little nasty, right I'm sorry. Look, I ain't going to lose asking this. Yeah, no, no.
Speaker 1:I've talked with other pastors about this stuff before. Yeah, that's great, and people said, no, yeah, adam and Eve is the one that the progenitors yes of God's original design. I have reasons to believe. If you look at Genesis 6, the angels fallen and the people that was outside the garden that was already populated, I'm 100% convinced there were other beings here.
Speaker 2:So could the days be longer? So when God says he created the world in seven days, are we thinking 24 hours because we call 24 hours a day? Could days be longer? So when God says he created the world in seven days, like are we thinking 24 hours? Because we call 24 hours a day?
Speaker 1:If we look, I think it's in Peter one day here is a thousand years. Here is one day in heaven. So if we go on the biblical timeline, we could speculate that.
Speaker 2:You could add another 7,000 years, which would be closer to that would be six and seven that would be like 13.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's going from the data we have in the Bible, right, but if we look at, there's different evidences of different things. And I will say this, and my dad's pastor friend brought this up to me one time because we talked about Genesis six all the time this went back and forth. I'm going to go home and read it. Yeah, dude, it's interesting, interesting, interesting book, brother. But you know, when Noah got drunk on the vine, you know this Noah, this righteous man, you know, you can read up about him and everything.
Speaker 1:And my dad's friend, keith he's going to be with the Lord now is because the firmament broke, everything aged faster. There wasn't the oxygen concentration. That's why everything got big bro, all these big dinosaurs, the big sloths is because it's in a bubble, and we know that because you look at the, you know the Jurassic Park thing, the stuff of the mosquito, all the fossils, the stuff that they pulled. They found higher oxygen concentration back then. Everything had more oxygen, wow, and so you got these giant plants, you got these giant everything, and then God numbered the days of man and so, anyway, you're getting some interesting things. That. What does that have to do with the finished work of Christ? Not really nothing, but it will give you, it shows you some it's interesting to talk about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, some people will come at it and they'll say if the answer to some of these questions don't properly check the boxes off, they won't listen to the other part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they won't, and there's a lot of people out there that deal with. I'll just say this to keep it family friendly I don't know how family friendly, joseph Winston Scott.
Speaker 2:He's like no, we're not family friendly. It ain't I've suppressed so many F words tonight, we are just. I'm living in a blessing right now, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:Now there's a lot of people out there that's had a lot of spiritual, let's just say, experiences with things that don't supposed to be there. And when you're in that world and I've talked, I've connected with a lot of people across YouTube you know you run into some interesting things and stuff and pictures people show you and everything else. There's a lot of things out there that people say, oh, that's conspiracy, it's not. For some people they've lived it and so it's one of those things. It's like you have a lot of, you have crazy out there, you have stuff that's not real, but also, at the same time, the Bible tells you a lot of things and then we reject it when it manifests itself in this world right now right here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, looking over, I don't know, I think picking and choosing things from the Bible, picking the nice stuff, I think that happens. Yeah, it does, because why can't you have a church service about giants?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I have watched some stuff, because if you well, you don't trigger me, man, you don't trigger me.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I'm doing my job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you're doing your job. No, if you look at the biblical narrative and stuff of what was going on in the Old Testament, jesus said as in the days of Noah shall be now. And the same old thing is going on. And it is my contention to 100% believe that the whole things with the angels mating with the women, the animals, everything. I know it's a sick story, it really is. You go through there. If you go now to what's happening in the labs and everything, which that's a conspiracy, right, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2:Whatever man you could be cloning stuff. All that stuff is in the pipeline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all that stuff is already, they say is already happened. You know all the stuff you know. So, anyway, what I'm trying to the plane I'm trying to land here is that the stuff that was back then is trying to come back now and some stuff has already started and it's wild to look at which, like I said, I'll poison conversations when I talk about this stuff.
Speaker 2:No, mind, no mind. I like this stuff, yeah. So where are we at with Enoch? Why are certain books of the Bible not in the Bible? I've researched this myself, but where are you at on that?
Speaker 1:From my limited understanding, you know we can start looking at reasons. You know. Look at King James. Yeah, king James is gay. You know I'm sorry to buzzer you. I mean, king James is gay and there's even things pointing to him to be a pedophile from what you hear. So it's some wild stuff. But you also look back in, or why they, the Catholics, did this. That I'll be first to tell you. I'm not a scholar, I don't know all that stuff, but I do know that some of the books, like the book of Thomas, it's been debunked that was plagiarism as far as trying to pretend he's being somebody that really wasn't. Come back later that it wasn't really legit in that sense, and so why part of the books have been pulled out of the Bible? I don't really have the answer, but I do know this Enoch. A lot of Old Testament scholars will tell you that was such an important book. Jesus quoted it, didn't Peter Peter? Peter quoted it and it was such an important book. They say it was carried on the ark with Noah.
Speaker 2:So from my understanding they would have. It's something a lot of Israelites what Jews would have known.
Speaker 1:It's just something they would have studied, yeah, yeah, and so it fills in a lot of blanks and the people that some Old Testament scholars have said that it syncs up perfectly with the book of Genesis and while there is things in there that does go against the scripture, it's a weird thing, right. It's like where do we land the plane out with that, Like you really can, but it does sync up perfectly with the book of Genesis. And so if you look in your King James Bible, you know it says there are six was it six people in the ark? I'm over my head right now.
Speaker 2:I'll continue to learn stuff.
Speaker 1:But anyway it says Ham, father of the Canaanites. Just right there in one little verse Ham, father of the Canaanites. Wait, wait, wait, father of the Canaanites. They were not righteous people. But if you look in Enoch it says he took on the ark with him two Canaanite women. Your Bible doesn't say that, but the book of Enoch says that. But we get giants after the flood, and so the two theories. There are three theories after the flood, and so the two theories. There are three theories. Excuse me. There's a theory I believe is that the Canaanite women still tainted blood, right. Then you do get a theory of when Noah was drunk and his sons came in and saw his nakedness. You get some weird stuff there. Then you have another theory which a lot of people believe is that they went underground. So that's how, like Gloth, how did he come back? You know there's other ones, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, that's interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The giants is definitely interesting. So the deal with the giants is angels mated with human women and the offspring is a giant. That's very interesting. I think of things like you're saying. Maybe they used giants to build some of these structures that don't make any sense. Totally, totally, 100% believe that, like the pyramids. So I did some dating one time I was looking. So I don't really. I still don't agree with the Egyptologist about Giza Because, like okay, so let's do a test. When Did Giza get built? It said Pisa, giza, that's the same Pisa. Let me do it like this when did the Great Pyramid of Giza get built? All right, 2560 BCE. So you add 2000 to that and that is 4, so 4500, basically 4575. When was the flood? Noah's flood? Around 2348 BC, which would be the exact same time. So, according to when they say the pyramid was built, there was a flood happening. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is interesting those things doesn't sync up. That's weird. It is is interesting, those things sync up. That's weird, it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, don't like, if you add up the I'm trying to remember the measurements the numbers is equal to the speed of light.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the numbers is. Yeah, they equal some kind of crazy thing it's based in true north. It's directed at a certain yeah sky deal. What is it? A certain yeah yeah sky deal. What?
Speaker 1:is a constellation. Oh my god, a sky deal. Yeah, a sky deal a lot of people.
Speaker 2:No, you can go down the rabbit hole with aliens, with the whole giant thing, and it's some wild stuff, man yeah, like the thing with the Anunnaki, like I don't know if you ever went down the Anunnaki rabbit hole, which the Zechariah Sitchin was writing about the Sumerian tablets which a lot of now they think that he didn't translate it very well, but if he did anywhere remotely close to translate, it's wild that this it's so like these tablets right from like 5,000 years ago and they have a sci-fi story on them that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:How do you know about spaceships and flying crafts and how many planets there are and things like that? Well, if, if you are you wanting to go there? I dude, I think that there was. I think the world is a lot older personally. Yeah, I do think it's way older. I got you. I think that, uh, no, I don't believe aliens. You know genetically engineered us, which that is a no I don't believe some people think that the anunnaki found monkeys.
Speaker 2:And we're yo, we could fix them up and they would be perfect to do the work for them. Because they say the Anunnaki came here for gold or whatever. Yeah, which is interesting. Because why is gold important to us? It's not even a good metal, uh-huh. So this does kind of explain why we, as humans, like gold. It really is kind of shiny, but it's not a good metal. You can't go make a gold sword, that's stupid, you'll get killed, but anyways. But they think that we were like genetically engineered and that's why our brains doubled in size at a certain time, or whatever, and that. But while we're different from other animals similar to us, but anyways, that's, anyways, that's. That's really crazy. But there's lots of thoughts man like but why, why is there this, oh, this tab? Like, why are there carbons in ancient samaria that have that show the solar system? Like they know how many planets we have and stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, I um here we go again. So from from listen to some ministers and stuff that cover these topics and everything. First of all, the anunnaki I would like to say with Sitchin, I do believe he was deceived. I do believe they took a legit tablet from things that was going on at the time, but it's another way of it's, part of the great deception. Like we made you right, there's some of the end game of what a lot of people are going to say. Especially if you look in the rapture and everything else, you're going to best when they say that aliens are going to reveal themselves. That's what a lot of people are saying.
Speaker 2:Is that anywhere in the Bible that you could take that and be like you can't? No, you cannot.
Speaker 1:It's simply speculations, which makes this gray area right. Yeah, those are fun, yeah, so, yeah, yeah, they are. So when you get the concept of it, and you get the concept of it, and let me say this, while I still remember it Did you ever watch the movie Prometheus? No, but it seems like I should have watched it.
Speaker 2:Remember the Alien series? Yeah, I watched Alien.
Speaker 1:I've seen the first one, yeah, prometheus with the engineers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, remember the big, you know the big giants. Yeah, they took that work from Quell of the Sumerian tablets and he actually Ridley Scott, pulled from Steve Quell and told Steve Quell he's a cheap script writer and based that movie off Steve Quell's biblical work and recreated kind of Sitchin's idea in the movie. Anyway, that's part of a just little thing. There is interesting, but as far as the when were we at?
Speaker 2:I'm so sorry, I don't know. I started talking about aliens once. I started talking about how old the world was oh yeah, planets and stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, like the.
Speaker 2:Sumerians knowing that there was eight planets, or whatever not planets or whatever. Yeah, so it was eight planets, because we don't count, but they had nine, you know they think there's an extra planet.
Speaker 1:There's an extra planet that interesting, catch this. So if you look in scriptures, it says satan said I will like send my throne above the stars, you know, above the heavens, you know. And so there's a lot of scientists that agree, agrees with the fact that we're missing a planet in our solar system. So if you look at asteroids, well, that's remnants of a destroyed planet, and it said that the planet in scriptures, the planet Rahab, was destroyed, and I wish I could give everybody the exact address. Rahab means harlot, right, destroyed the planet Rahab. And then I think it's either in Psalm or Ezekiel. Forgive me, I'm just going off vague knowledge right now. I know David, I think, said before you scattered the dragon, destroyed the planet Rahab and scattered the dragon, if I remember, forgive me, did he?
Speaker 2:say the word dragon, I think he did.
Speaker 1:That's wild, and so it. You know I will ascend to my throne above the stars. You start connecting the dots and I think in Ezekiel it said something you know about it, and Jesus said I saw Satan fall like lightning, and so everybody says we're missing the solar, you know, missing the planet and our solar, and so we have asteroids and stuff. So a lot of people are saying you know that there was a planet that Satan was on before he fell to Earth.
Speaker 1:Oh man, so and then you get in the concept of these, yeah, these dig sites and stuff and where Apple stuff was coming out at like. Getting to the alien question, Now, that's been a big thing on everybody's list right now, Even Tucker Carlson, you know he's been covering all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said that he thinks it's angels and demons, which is an interesting concept.
Speaker 1:Well, I will tell you exactly what I think it is. I'll tell you exactly what I think it is. I have two belief systems and, after doing extensive research on this stuff, because I love learning, you know, looking at all these things, it was either an engineered being from the fall or either some type of creature that was made. And a lot of people said this when the angels fell, you know we had fallen angels, right, and there's actually two rebellions. If you look, look in the book of people said this when the angels fell, you know we had fallen angels, right, and there's actually two rebellions. If you look, like in the book of Peter, there there's actually two rebellions.
Speaker 1:But, um, but when the angels fell that they lost their divinity and they like, why? Why in the heck would this little thing be in a middle aircraft running around? And from the people I watch, they have the bodies supposedly. I don't think angels can die. So that rolls out that part for me. I think they were some part of manipulated being that may have been here before Adam and Eve. I know that's going to be weird and listen, I'm not saying this is canon stuff, I'm just simply talking, just to be talking, let me preface that right quick.
Speaker 2:Some people like that. This is a lecture. Yeah, so anyway, this is a college-level lecture and you'll be held accountable for every word you say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so hilarious, dude, hilarious. But if you do look, I've never personally been on the dark web because of the horror stories I've heard of people getting on there. But you know the TikTok trend people uploading dark web videos so there's a trend before and TikTok wasn't taking it down, it was like there's a whole trend Like pre-censored oh yeah, they were getting on there putting dark web videos up and stuff and they had some. It wasn't 3D rendered stuff, man, it was some legit stuff. It is horrible. They even said there is some part on the web of I watched this video before. They have the locations of the angels that Jesus locked up when he descended. He descended yeah, or, excuse me, I may be getting confused in my story it's somewhere where the angels were. They were locked up. In scripture they have the locations of them where they're at and so, anyway, like I said, all this stuff is super interesting, man.
Speaker 1:It just it's not the Bible, but it's all one of those things. People encounter these different things, but we do know this. Can I say this yeah, you say whatever you want, it's the name of jesus and um, and there's a lot of people I respect out there um, oh, I'll say this airplane pilots. I've learned this from a minister. Was it kevin zeta? Are we going too long?
Speaker 2:no, no no, I just I check my stuff to make sure I'm not losing.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah um, he said a lot of the pilots when they see these, see these aircraft flying beside him, if they report him. He said he he was um, a flight attendant and one of the pilots was going to report it because you know, two of them was up there and they said don't do it, don't report it. He said why? He said they'll give you two If you report it and then you won't go back on your word the second time. They'll pull your license. He said do not agree to anything. He said he's been in the cockpit. These things fly up right beside and they're right there and so you'll start seeing you pull and these you can find some videos, man.
Speaker 2:Joe Rogan has a theory on this. He thinks that we have technology that they haven't shown to the public, that we figured out some propulsion system, and that there's a chance that it could be us out there BSing around just to see who sees us, whose radars are picking us up, who can get video of it. It could be some advanced stealth stuff, different propulsion system stuff that the public can't know about. And so, you know, because we've been, you know, we've been told like, don't trust the government, don't trust the government. But now they're telling us like, hey, we're finding stuff. Yeah, you know. So the person, the contrarian, would be like oh, why are they telling us this? Maybe they're lying to us. You know what I'm saying? Because this could be in their playbook of like, well, we got this cool stuff, we'll just blame it on aliens. These suckers will sit up at night and talk on YouTube for three hours. Yeah, definitely. So I think that that could be at play, or another country may be ahead of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it's very plausible man, it's very plausible. I heard the same guy talk about some of the aircraft technology which they did not let the public know they have. There's this one pilot. They said he was flying at 1600 miles per hour right above, right out of that earth's atmosphere and he said a UFO come up right beside him while he was up there flying at 1600 miles. He said there's technology, we do have technology out there, that. So whether the UFOs are part of some type of thing, hey, it just you know one thing that gets me is the size of the universe.
Speaker 2:Like how do you do you subscribe to? Because it's like what I'm. I think they throw a lot of numbers at us, right, the historians, the archaeologists, the scientists, the physicists, the astrophysicists. They throw these numbers at us. The Earth is billions of years old, the Sun is millions of miles away. This is this, this, this, you know? Do those big numbers, do you think they're just full of shit on some of these things? Do?
Speaker 1:you, I think they are and I think they aren't. And, at the end of the day, sometimes I get so down I don't know what to believe. But yeah, sometimes I get so down I don't know what to believe, right? Oh yeah, but yeah, man, I believe that it. I've heard some wild stuff out there, man, and it's like I don't even know how to answer that question. I really don't, because it's like it's beyond me, it's like so like when?
Speaker 2:like the James Webb telescope that's out there taking pictures of galaxies far away, like where? So do you think the galaxy is that big? You think the universe is as big as they say it is? You know what?
Speaker 1:I do think it is, and you know who am I? To limit God on what he can make?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know If there's all that stuff out there. Why just us Think about every person that lived before telescopes? I mean, is all that stuff out there so that you, when you look up at the stars, you're like, oh damn, I'm small, like is that what that is?
Speaker 1:Man, you know I'm going to go back to the Bible here. I'm going to go back, but you know stars was a guidance you a year ago. But you know stars was a guidance, right, you know, if you look through there, they're a place to. You know, keep your track in time, yep, and like where you're at. So I really don't know how to answer that, but it's just like one of those things. It is to me. It hits me as a wonder of God ways, you know, and I want to answer that question more, but I just don't know how like I don't know.
Speaker 2:I simply don't know, bro, I'm just asking questions I think of. I think people judge God with human standards and I think it doesn't make any sense, it doesn't. I think that's why, you know, because we like I guess it almost sounds cliche or whatever, but like I think the verse or whatever they the verse, or whatever, he does things in mysterious ways or whatever I think you know, if God is who, like the Bible, claims right, and he is this omniscient being, you know, outside of all this stuff, because he would have to be like outside of time, outside of what we consider like reality, you know he wouldn't be human at all, but then he made us in his likeness, so maybe he is, and then there's verses that point to him as like a jealous God. That's interesting.
Speaker 1:He has emotions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not not going anywhere with this, I'm working through it. I know this is not like a statement this is just I like to do this, I just like to follow like the thought process. But he would be outside of everything and if we were to judge him off of like, like how I would judge you as a human, like, we would completely miss it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we would, because it's. I mean, there is no way. It's incomprehensible. We cannot comprehend the glory, we cannot comprehend it and at the end of the day, like even with everything that we've covered this topic, like I get so excited about God, this guy, who's to say what if I'm wrong? At the end of the day, you know, and it comes back to you know one thing, and that's my relationship with him, first and foremost, but also with looking at who he is outside of time being, this being that he made us in his likeness, but also, at the same time, he's God. He's always been. There's not a starting point, and I believe that we have that. At the fall, we have a limitation. At the fall of Adam and Eve, we have the limitation in our mind. I mean, probably even before then we just I don't even know where I'm going with this. No man, I'm lost. It's just like he's so big bro and we'll never fully understand it.
Speaker 2:We'll never fully understand this. If there were people before Adam and eve this was just a thought that come out of my mind would they, how would have? Well, they wouldn't have. You're saying they wouldn't have been like regular humans, right, because adam and eve were like, I guess, the prototype and they. But then there were, well, then there was other peoples, yeah. So that's tough to think about, but they would have, like okay. So let me go back to the original sin. If they're not the original people, is that the original sin? Were the people before them? Were they like, without the symptoms that came from eating the apple?
Speaker 1:We have no context, we have only speculation. Right.
Speaker 2:That there were other 95% of everything we talked about last hour no-transcript 95% of everything we talked about.
Speaker 1:Now I will say this there is hard evidence of giants and other things. There's hard, hard evidence, hard evidence that has been erased from the history books, by the way. Yeah, your history books were erased from the earlier times and stuff Start getting to the 30s and 40s. They started changing, and so schools. Yeah, I'm going back in the timeline here, but yeah, it's interesting all of it. To kind of wrap that up, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:Where to go from here. I don't know. I'm just, I'm so conflicted on so many thoughts because I take in all this information from like scientists and from like archaeologists and then then I get this other information from the people who the archaeologists called the pseudo archaeologists, like the Graham Hancock. I don't know if you saw like Ancient Apocalypse. It's on Netflix. Netflix, yeah, I didn't watch any of it. Oh, dude, I'm so tapped into that stuff. That's hilarious. Yeah, dude, I would listen. Graham Hancock goes on Joe Rogan all the time and, as you can tell, I listen to a ton of Joe Rogan. Anyways, graham Hancock is a guy that is into archaeology. He's not technically an archaeologist and they hate him, oh, they hate him. They hate the mess out of this man, and he's just had two seasons on Netflix of a show that kind of contradicts mainstream archaeology. Oh really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they hate this man. Oh wow, dude, and it's wildly successful.
Speaker 2:It's insanely successful. I mean, I've been dropping them insane, oh, dude. And so there's a guy named Flint Dibble. He came on Joe Rogan to debate him and you know, rogan said he was like hey, you know, if we could bring somebody on to debate you, would you be down with that? Yeah, graham Hancock was like yeah, so they bring in this guy and he's like but they had, like some previous beef too.
Speaker 2:Anyways, I listened to it was four hours and 45 minutes debate about archaeology, and so the whole deal is is that Graham Hancock thinks that there was the Younger Dryas and I kind of think that this kind of was too, and that's not as debated but he thinks that there was a civilization before and maybe they didn't have technology as what we think, but they have more technology than what the regular archaeologists think, than what the regular archaeologists think. The regular archaeologists think that around that time period, 11,000 years ago or whatever, they were just hunter and gatherers. But I just showed you something that's 11,000 years old and it's a stone monument. So he thinks that there was a civilization before the previous Ice Age that had some type of knowledge, oh yeah, and that after that the survivors of the Ice Age were able to pass on a few things to them, like some astrology stuff, building stuff, and that that's how the next stuff started to come out, like how Egypt was so advanced or Rome or Sumerians, how were they so ahead of the times that he says that they were passed down knowledge from an ancient civilization, and not necessarily that they had like wifi and flying in planes and stuff, because we haven't really found any evidence of like that type of technology. But then it's like the dating of the pyramid seems a little weird.
Speaker 2:How did they build the pyramids? Nobody's ever explained the pyramids to me, no one that has made any type of sense. There was a place called Baalbek where this big monument they built. They had to take the stones, which are unbelievably heavy, over a mountain. Over a mountain there was a quarry, a mountain where they built it and there's no way that humans did it. So that could be where the giants fit in. That could be where some technology we don't understand is. Why are there pyramids all over the earth? Some people say it's just because maybe that's the easiest way to build a structure. You start fat at the bottom and get small at the top. That's how you build a tall structure. When you build architecture Architecture you can't look at the Great Pyramid of Giza and be like they didn't know architecture Like that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:They had yeah they had knowledge, man they had knowledge?
Speaker 2:Where did it come from?
Speaker 1:Well, you know I'm going to go back to the Bible. The angels taught men and you can look at it in was it which book of it? Maccabees? No, I think it was in Enoch and stuff it was talking about. Angels taught the women how to dress and do this different stuff. It's an interesting book all the way around, but anyway there's a lot of what we call illegal knowledge. They taught them witchcraft, they taught them all this different stuff to get into the spirit realm, because God made men with limitations and obviously angels they don't, and so well they do. But in some regards, you know, in the spirit, yeah.
Speaker 2:So the angels there? Obviously they're under God. Are they working for him? They're fallen. No, they're against him. Oh well, the fallen angels. So is there angels that aren't fallen, angels Of?
Speaker 1:course there's the ones in heaven that never did rebel. So they're not here. No, they're here. We all have them, man. Yeah, we all have them Right. Okay. And I didn't mean that shy-sty when I said it that way.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just an idiot. No, you're hilarious.
Speaker 1:But no, we have. They're called, they're ministers.
Speaker 2:You know they come and they do the Lord's will and stuff and they protect and that's in their scriptures that point to angels being with it, like good angels.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, dude, yeah, all through scriptures and there's different classifications. And here's the thing that gets people when you get into the different types of beings and stuff. There's different types of angels in there.
Speaker 2:They sound bizarre once you read about them in Scripture, the one with all the eyes from Revelations, yeah, Revelations and Ezekiel and there's some wild stuff.
Speaker 1:Man, like I said, I don't understand it all. You know I get real impassioned about when we talk about. You know I'm crazy now after they watch this. It's all right, man, it's just a feel man.
Speaker 2:Let them think you're crazy. Yeah, so Just having a good time. What if?
Speaker 1:and really, that's what I call it. Yeah, what if? And man hey what?
Speaker 2:if. But yeah, man, it's, I'm not dying behind none of these things. Nothing I've said today. No, you're good, man, you're good, I get into stuff, I get way into stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting to talk about man. I know a lot of people they don't like talking about it, but I find it interesting. Yeah, I find it super interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've had people in and I'm just like I don't know that's why. So, like at the beginning, before we cut the camera on, I kind of gauge like what kind of questions can I? Ask Because, like there are religious people that are like, no, let's not talk, like I don't ever want to even ask a question that would even make someone like even question their faith. That's not for me to do. I'm not out here to be like well, what do you think about that? That doesn't go well with this.
Speaker 1:I think that's respectful of you and stuff, and I'll tell you from my world straight up when you start touching on the subjects and stuff, it's like, oh, you start being judged hard, like you brought up the book of Enoch. You're bringing up you shouldn't talk. You know it's one of those, sorry, I mean let's be realistic here. I mean let's look. And so there's some people and I understand them not touching it because a lot of times it can do more harm than good for a lot of people.
Speaker 2:You think it's just such a confusing topic that it's, I don't know like you're saying, like maybe it doesn't affect the grand story enough to like the grand actual goal, like the goalpost. But it's like if it's in there, it's obviously important.
Speaker 1:It's in there, man, it's in there and it confuses me, I guess, because I understand people getting left filled with it and stuff. But I think the earlier books you know, in the Bible, in the Old Testament and stuff, they will give testament. You'll see fingerprints on stuff that's happening now and I think there's Christians we need to grow up. In the way we look at things Now has everything I said to not being like biblical? Well, heck, no, we don't have a lot of evidence for a lot of stuff. It's just we're looking at little small league points, right. We're looking at the stars, we're looking out there to see you know what's out there. But also, at the same sense, I understand a lot of people don't want to touch it, but I said I like looking at it, man, I want to know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think knowing the timelines and stuff, also, at least studying into it, it gives you a better understanding of what's actually happening. I was asking people so I wasn't on this deal where I was just asking people who came first, jesus or the pyramids and most people were like oh, jesus, pyramids, oh, brother, nope, pyramids. Who came first? Romans fighting Carthage or Jesus? I'm pretty sure Jesus that time, but it's close. So it's like there's this like the one thing about the Bible, though like so we do get these stories, but it's easy to feel like that was like what was happening, but like there was so much happening that the Bible never touches on it, doesn't? There's this and it's this. It's, I mean, it is important because it's like that's the ecosystem that Jesus was in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is Now. If you want to see something, look at all the world religions. They all have a flood.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, every single one of them have a flood. That's in the show Ancient Apocalypse. Yeah, go look at it. Everybody has a flood story.
Speaker 1:And, along with those texts that you read outside of any lore or anything else, go look at some Native American texts. It is interesting. I'm not talking about religion, about their religion of worshiping the sun, god. I'm talking about data that they do have over recorded events and what you're going to find is very, very disturbing over what they have about cannibalizing giants, about these different things, and I know I keep going back to that, but anyway it's wild. You know they found the six-fingered, six-toed red-haired giants here in the mounds all around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were beefing with the giants, right? Apparently, in my understanding, they locked them in one of the mounds. They locked them in and set it on fire, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, they were killing them, man, and I mean it's wild. And when you start looking at that stuff and just all the ancient texts everywhere, but where was I going with that? I was going somewhere with that.
Speaker 2:They find weird stuff on this side of the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they find weird stuff on this side of the world and stuff.
Speaker 2:So I guess archaeology says that like 12,800 years ago-ish, they were coming over on the land bridge between Russia and Alaska, or the Bering land bridge or whatever. Was it Bering Strait? Bering Strait, yeah, and that's where, even to this day, it's only like 50 miles of water underneath it, so it could have been different there, with different water levels, and that they were nomadic and that they followed animals to the other side, yeah. But then you find these new things that say different, like hey, we just found these footprints at White Sands that are 20,000 years old, right, which completely crushes it. Crushes it.
Speaker 1:But what do you know? What do you know? And as far as those timelines, the way I look at it, man, I don't think we'll ever truly know the most accurate details we can unlock. We're doing right now speculate, yeah. But we do know. And don't get me started on Hitler and all the other stuff, bro, it will dude it will blow.
Speaker 2:He was interested in the occult and he was interested into pyramids and ancient civilizations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was collecting relics he was looking for the spear of Longinus, which was a spear that pierced Jesus' side well, apparently we have to say this we are not pro-Hitler because somebody got in trouble about this the other day.
Speaker 2:Somebody said they got flagged because they were literally talking about like stuff that Hitler liked and somehow they got called Really.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, we're not. No, we do not, we do not like Hitler, we do not.
Speaker 2:Let me say that again we do not like Hitler, we do not.
Speaker 1:Just a disclaimer. A disclaimer yeah, he's going all over the. He's a very outside of the horrible things. I believe he was possessed, the evil things he did. I think he was on drugs. Yeah, it was proven he was on drugs. Didn't they have meth at?
Speaker 2:that time they gave all the soldiers meth. The fun story is that they were going to one of the first one of the battles they wasn't supposed to win. They showed up to it. They thought it was going to take them like I believe it was 12 days to get there. They assumed they were going to sleep at night. They just methed them up and they made it in three days for a surprise attack and ended up winning a battle. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:I didn't hear about that one.
Speaker 2:They did a lot of meth and it turns out that they did it. But see, hitler had his own doctor that had him on a whole kind of cocktails. You know, on D-Day he overslept. Really he didn't get up till like 1. I didn't hear this D-Day happened. In the morning he overslept, there was a panther, panzer division of tanks that only moved for him and they literally couldn't do anything till he woke up that day and it was like key instrumental battle. Part of the battle of D-Day was these special tanks and they were just chilling, they couldn't move. Wow, they only answered to him and they didn't dare go against him.
Speaker 1:Oh my dude, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:And he was like so drugged out by the end that he was like he would just sleep in. They said he was incredibly lazy by the end.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh dude, that, no. No, you're good. Have you ever dug into we don't have to get into this, but have you ever dug into?
Speaker 2:Antarctica with all that stuff happening with World War II. I know there's agreement in Antarctica which is weird because everybody gets along in Antarctica. For some reason. I know that they think that there's a pyramid in Antarctica.
Speaker 1:That's strange. I'm talking about the underground in Antarctica where the two generals they recanted their statements about seeing the. We don't need to go down this rabbit hole, it's too late. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting when you Hitler and the connection to Antarctica and stuff it's just another thing that you go look at. And, bro, people would say and we saw all these beings and stuff down here, this place. We went into these underground caverns, saw all this stuff. And they come back and say, oh, I'm sorry, you go see this. They recanted their statements.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, but anyway, people think there's alien bases on the backside of the moon too. I connect that because it's like me and you can't go to Antarctica and investigate this. Yeah, we can't go to the backside of the moon, yeah.
Speaker 1:You can see, in the 1920s, when they were having I think it was 1920s that that would have been right after World War. I, yeah, they, yeah, these people is in America. They were in these fields, they were having some type of big fest or whatever, and these UFOs and they have pictures of it flew overhead and they got radiation burns. Oh, wow, the people got radiation. And this is in the. You can pull up the newspaper clippings that did not get taken down. That stuff goes to the dark web to live. Yeah, because they remove all the stuff. And I'll end this here with all this giants and aliens talk, because I know that's so weird, guys, it's so weird, right, it's another Tuesday for me. Yeah, it's like another Tuesday for me.
Speaker 1:Man, I have come to this opinion out of everything that I've learned. All that stuff, in the grand scheme of things, like, we need to be aware what's on the radar, different things happening, but that stuff has been covered up because it all points to Jesus Christ being real. It points to him being real and him dying. It all goes back to that thing. Man, there's no way I can get around it that everything that has been done, that has been manipulated, that has been said, even if some of this stuff isn't true.
Speaker 1:The stuff that has been true, that has been covered up, goes back to discrediting Jesus and what he did. Because if you were to look at the history books and to go back and the stuff that happened has happened, it all goes back to the Bible being 1000% true and it gets manipulated where it's taken out. Now I don't say that as just being an advocate, because I'm a Christian. I'm saying this is what it leads up to, because all his words are true. Different things that happen in the Bible were true and it's amazing when those things get erased for the agenda. And that is my final conclusion on that right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's cool, I don't know. I've always wanted to ask some of these questions. I always like I'm like I don't know who to ask what to.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know everything, I'm just saying the different things I've been into.
Speaker 2:No, very interesting stuff. And you know, some ways I agree, some ways I'm like maybe I don't agree with that. But, it's like that's why we talk, that's why you have to come to an agreement when the conversation is that is goofy Mm-mm, no.
Speaker 1:It's our differences that makes us who we are, you know, and a real test of character is how you treat other people. It's how you treat other people, man, and I don't care. If we agree, do we? So we're here having fun talking?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm having, you're having fun talking. This is what I live for, this is what I'm having fun.
Speaker 1:Definitely. And you know, if you think you know everything, you're already wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The more I've studied, the more I realize I don't know. Yeah, I just keep going.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know, yeah, and that's why I said at the beginning of the conversation and stuff. I know I keep going back to the Bible and advocating the finished work, but that's where it's at ultimately. All this other stuff it's like eh, I like digging into it.
Speaker 2:The cool thing about religion and believing in something is that when all this crazy stuff happens, you can just be like, oh, god's got it, that's got to be cool. I felt at moments like that and it definitely brought me peace. I'm just in a weird spot. I just don't know what I believe, but it's like I'm smart enough to realize that that is, even if the let's say it was all wrong the person that at least can go. You know what God's got it. It's probably going to be more beneficial, like in the long run.
Speaker 1:In the long run, he's in control and also, at the same time I do know this there's a part that we do play. There's a part we do play. We have to do the right thing. We're not robots. He controls, he's given us free will, but at the end of the day, yes, my faith is like man. Don't open that can?
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't open it Free will, yeah, free will.
Speaker 1:We have personal responsibility.
Speaker 2:Free will is wild, because if God is outside of time and has set something up, he would technically be at the finish already, right? And so this also plays in. So the free will thing is interesting. For the last thing, let's talk about that, if you don't mind. Yeah, dude, it's like if he knows everything that's going to happen and created us and we're unique because he created us but he knows everything that's going to happen and created us and we're unique because he created us, but he knows everything that's going to happen. To me it's confusing how we could have free will if it's mapped out already. Or is it not mapped out? What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1:I would answer that question with this saying Not a quote.
Speaker 2:You would never.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not a quote. You would never. That is a quote from the Bible. His ways are higher than our ways. Obviously, his ways are not our ways. Yeah, and while I don't understand that, I want to comprehend that. I want to know that. It does not make a logical sense to me, but then again, spiritual things don't make logical sense.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people struggle with that being a part of faith is that you're told to believe something that doesn't necessarily make sense. For some people they can do that and other people they have trouble especially like yeah, so I think I don't know. That's interesting. I don't know where I'm going with that, that's just a thought?
Speaker 1:No, I got a thought for you. Okay, yeah, what does faith mean? We may have to bring up the Google here. Yeah, let's Google. Yeah, what does faith mean? Believing in something? Essentially, you know.
Speaker 2:What does faith mean? Faith, complete trust or confidence in someone or something? The other one is probably what we're looking for more Strong belief in God or in doctrines of a religion based on a spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Speaker 1:And I would go back to the Bible. We walk by faith, but not by sight, but I can't say that to someone that doesn't believe, because we can't use the Bible right Because they don't believe in the Bible. We walk by faith, not by sight, but knowing that something creates. Just. You said something about the stars earlier, looking around, saying that there is a divine creator, that this just didn't happen out of nothing.
Speaker 2:There's no intention. Oh, I 100% believe that there's a creator.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know you do, yeah, so it's like we know that there is a creator. We both agree on that, but His ways just as we don't. You know it said, was it in Proverbs we don't understand the way a baby's born in the womb. We won't understand Him, we can't. We're less than he is, and there's nothing wrong with asking those things, having that intellect of knowing. But I think that right there drives us more to have even more faith of like, hey, what I'm looking for right now is this spiritual sense that I need to get here, because I'm not gonna understand this. And what I'm looking for, I'm searching for, is not accessed through logic. It's access to the relationship with God and who he is. And these questions that, these logical questions I have, man, I've. The only way I can answer you back on that to my best ability, you know, as we, we talk them all through this yeah, is that it's answered through a relationship with him.
Speaker 1:And while we may not have that logical answer, we have something more than logic that guides us. We have something more than logic that's inside of. We have something more than logic that's inside of us. It's more than just a figment of imagination. It's more than just something. It's something substantial, but it's within the spirit that we fill ourselves. Man, and I can't explain it. I can't explain all the times why I feel the way I do. All the time. I just know, I know it's Him. I tell you the wildest stories yeah, the wildest stories and but I don't know where I'm landing that playing at, yeah, but no, I get you, I get you.
Speaker 2:I think one thing I think so like when Christians go out and they're like, okay, we're going to go convert people, I think a lot of times they don't realize that like, okay, like because, like you said, you come at somebody with the Bible. They don't believe that Bible. So, it would be like me coming up to you trying to teach you about something that you already believe was false. That is definitely where I see the difficulty. Yeah, the difficulty, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah it man. I say this, can I quote?
Speaker 2:You can say whatever you want, brother.
Speaker 1:I can say man, this is the freeing you can, I quote you can say whatever you want, brother, that's the beauty of it. I can say, man, this is freeing. You know, I just may need to start up another YouTube channel to talk like this, because I you know I have to talk about woodcarving, this is why podcasts are popular.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm following a method here. I'm following that are successful.
Speaker 1:Let people talk. It's freeing because I'm like is going to hear me talk about this, don't worry about that.
Speaker 2:You say what you want. That's hilarious. You're my guest. You're on my show. I'll take it all. Who cares? We're chilling.
Speaker 1:Thank you, man. Thank you, that's very freeing. It's one of those things, dude, that between two humans. Man, the things that I've realized that we've called to do.
Speaker 1:Miles Monroe said this, to quote, I want to give you we don't reach people by turning up our volume. I don't reach people for Jesus by turning up my volume. Jesus, no, that's a turn off that doesn't do anything. They'll know you by your fruits. You love people. That love is the one thing that people see different in you and they got to see God in you because it's not about a bunch of rules and this religious things that you do, it's about the love that you have. It really is. And when you reach those people, they'll know you first because something's different, because you love people. You love people differently. You're not like that, you're not like other people. They truly see it in you.
Speaker 1:And while it's hard because we're all flawed, we all mess up, you know I need grace daily, but, man, it's hard because you can't use the Bible at people and I'm not here to swat. I'll say John Maxwell says don't swat a fly off someone's head with a hammer. Not here to swat a fly off. That would hurt. Yeah, that would hurt, right? Yeah, it speaks of you know this iteration like, don't be so heavy-handed with people, right? Right. The Bible's not a tool to abuse people with man, it's a tool to love people with, and the reason people can't reach people is because they don't love them. That makes sense.
Speaker 2:That makes a lot of sense, that's my opinion. Yeah, it sounds like more of what Jesus was saying. Yeah, well, he was a hippie dude. He was weird. They would sleep on the ground, they would walk from town to town he was. He confused people. Yeah, he confused people. He only talked in stories. He was not like and you've heard this a hundred times but what would happen if Jesus walked in your church, like a lot of people would?
Speaker 1:not recognize him. I know, yeah, yeah, like if Jesus walked, dude I would. I'd start recanting like did I see him today? What did I do? I mean, I just, but no seriously, if he walked in, man it yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause he was like I don't know that time that's not wrote about Jesus. I believe he was 12, right, and then he was 30. And then he lived from 30 to 33, where the Bible talks about him, I believe.
Speaker 1:It said, his miracles were so numerous that the world could not contain them. So he was off.
Speaker 2:Well, that was almost really. That was almost like crazy sacrilege is what I was going to say. I was going to say he was off doing magic. But he's off doing magic Well, but not miracles, yeah, basically, I mean, a miracle is magic. In a sense, I think it's just a difference. Magic, I think, is a label that people throw on stuff they do. Can I say?
Speaker 1:something. Yeah, you say whatever you want. Okay, that's the beauty of it. Okay, well, I'm going to ask you, as I honor your show, for everything that God does. There is a counterfeit Like balance, yes, like what?
Speaker 2:Like balance, like yin and yang.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you like balance, but there's a counterfeit that I would say oh, counterfeit. I thought, you meant counter. I was trying to follow where you're going. I thought you were like on some dark and light.
Speaker 2:No, no, dark and light, no, no.
Speaker 1:Dark and light, no. Yin-yang yeah. Peace, yeah, no. So there's always a counterfeit, and so one of the things where the devil does beat a lot of people is with knowledge, because he appears as an angel of light. He appears as light, but it's false light. Right, it's false light. We're going on an hour and 60 minutes.
Speaker 2:This is good, oh, we are, oh we're at 160 minutes.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, we are, oh, we're way past, yeah, we're getting close to the three hours.
Speaker 2:What's the?
Speaker 1:longest podcast.
Speaker 2:You had Me and Darby tell us something. If you tell us something, if you know Darby oh Darby, I took a picture of him. Yes, darby talked to me for four hours. Oh my gosh, and like we had a conversation, but I said I said it how I said it. Yeah, darby talked to me for four hours oh, gotcha, okay, okay, there's, no yeah gotcha. No, there was, there was. I'm exactly. I know I got you.
Speaker 1:I love you, darby. I took a picture of him, a few pictures of him. But so, yeah, what was I saying? Yeah, counterfeit. The devil will always counterfeit a move of God to see what he like. Always counterfeit, because there's always like something extra there. It's like going you can feel a legitimate need in an illegitimate way. Well, that becomes sin, right, and it can get you in trouble. So there's always a counterfeit.
Speaker 1:And there's a verse in the Bible that says that the magicians, when Moses went to deliver the children of Israel, the magicians threw down a rod and it turned into a snake. Right, yeah, obviously magic, or I'm just going to call it magic, which is witchcraft. It's real, it's a breach in the spirit realm. And there's a verse in the gospels that Jesus says and I was talking to you earlier about this that he said you know you enter through the gate me, right, like I'm paraphrasing this, obviously, that you enter, you know I'm the door to the gate, you enter through me, but he who comes over the gate another way is a trespasser. So if you really break that down, you're going to get that interpreted quite a few different ways, but there's layers of revelation.
Speaker 1:I was reading the physics of heaven, which you need to read that book, I'm telling you, your brain would be on fire and it talked about trespassers in the spirit realm. And there are certain things out there that I certainly do not agree with. You know, obviously I'm a Christian. I only you know, touch all this. You know different things and there's no disrespect to any guests that you've had on or anything I don't. You know, judge people, but Jesus said enter through him. And there is illegal ways into the spirit realm, magic. And so is magic real.
Speaker 2:Witchcraft is real 100% man, not all like magicians are like that. No, not all, because a lot of sleight of hand stuff. I find that fascinating, a lot of that sleight of hand. You know what's interesting, though and I wonder if this touches into what you're explaining there Mentalists are insane, yes, but a lot of those still tricks. Because I was like but there was this guy on a cruise I go on cruise every year and there was the magician there, but he was really a mentalist and, um, he can just look at you and then and it's like he says that there's, there's tales and there's signs and there's ways to it. But he says, says you get this feeling in your gut where you can, where it's like almost telekinetic, where you can feel like you know what someone's thinking. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't necessarily. I don't think that. Would you group that in with like the bad stuff? Or maybe that is, I don't know. What do you think about a mentalist? I just asked the question.
Speaker 1:I would say this, and you're going to get a heavy, heavy opinion on this. So you know and I'm going to have to preface this, but I'm talking to both audiences, right I'm like I'm going to have to preface this. God gives people gifts and talents, and I'm not saying mind reading. Let me preface this very like, very clear here. God gives gifts of the spirit, and part of that is relating knowledge and stuff, and there's going to be a lot of Christians watching me like, well, that's a gift from God, that you know. But people do still have a natural gift. I told you earlier too, Like prophesying, prophesying.
Speaker 1:People have a big radar dish on their head. John Paul Jackson says another quote for you that people receive signals. But I do know this that there is demonic prophecy, there's demonic things out there where there's other things out there that they're communicating with the spirit world. They're going and communicating things to you to put in your mind, then running back telling this person yes, that is real. If you go dig into witchcraft and the way this mind reading goes palm reading and things happen.
Speaker 2:And tarot cards and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tarot cards, yeah you take home stuff with you that you don't need to take home. That is a self-fulfilling prophecy. What they say, that's not you causing that to happen. It's something else, a spiritual force causing that to happen. So I believe with a mentalist is very much the same dynamic, and that's just my opinion, right, this guy seemed like a nice guy. Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can. Yeah, but to get the other end of the spectrum, someone using the same type of talent. This is from a book I read on cults. I can't remember this guy's name. He was in Mexico but ended up starting this big cult, and this dude was super charismatic, which is the recipe for a cult leader. Yep, really, just all you have to be is just yeah, yeah, dude, how far you can take it?
Speaker 2:But he started, so he got into this Mexican witchcraft stuff and then he started reading people's fortunes and turned out to be like incredibly good at it, like whether he's actually reading their mind or planning things that you know, or just being able to read a person so well that you can make good, educated guesses who knows? But that's how he started. Like his cult started with him being so good at being able to tell that. So then he takes these same skills and starts getting these followers and then, before long, he's got them doing crazy things and it all crashed and burned. They went on the run and they finally got caught in this crazy story. That is insane, bro, but it all started from him being able to like we're sitting here and I'll be like you have a dad. His name starts with an R. Yeah, does your dad's name start with an R? It didn't work for me, but maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 1:But anyway, it's a wild fascinating conversation, yeah, yeah but it's.
Speaker 2:There was definitely people that were taking the like get the magicians and get the witches and stuff. They definitely abused that, though we can agree that Like somebody knew some science and was like hell, it's going to rain tomorrow and somebody was like you're not supposed to know that, and they got like burned at a stake or like this is some new medicine.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there's some wild stuff Like the, the origins of like witch hunting and things of that nature. I do think that there is like demonic stuff, but at the same time I think, opposing it, you can go too far. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, opposing it you can, because you get these self-righteous people I've probably been one of them that do take it too far and they like just get so religious about things. Everything's this. This is demonic. This is not. No, there's some practical things that happen. That's not.
Speaker 2:So you think that sorry not to cut in on you, no, you're good bro you think that the demonic and angelic stuff is just every once in a while. These are not things that pull on us constantly. I think they pull on us constantly. So there's like the angel and the devil type deal happening. Not necessarily that, but that type of energy Most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 1:I think we're in a war. I certainly do. I think we're Like a spiritual warfare type deal happening all the time?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I certainly do. You think it comes down to like To tie that back into free will you think that in every moment these decisions you make, you choose like this side?
Speaker 1:or this side. In a certain regard, we all have a choice between I'm looking at this very logically a choice between good and evil obviously. But also I think we live in a spiritual world where things pull at us constantly.
Speaker 2:Let me run something crazy by you.
Speaker 1:Of course, just because we're almost there, of course.
Speaker 2:Now I'm just like, hey, keep it going. Yeah, but let me check one thing before I run this live, because we're off my screen. Okay, we're not. I don't want to go over three hours because that's crazy. But have you heard of the? The word hypothesis goes at the end, and I tell people this all the time. I cannot believe I'm blanking. I just read the book. Ah, have you heard of the simulation theory?
Speaker 1:Simulation, that we're in a simulation.
Speaker 2:Well, the simulation theory would say so. There's a guy his name is Rizwan Virk and he is a video game designer and he ended up designing video games and then eventually, as technology advanced, they started designing open world video games, big games that are using you know, there's a lot more play than what you know Mario and all that stuff. These are open worlds where you can go to different planets that have entire planets. There's a game they have that has like a I think it's like 10,000 planets. You can just fly around and ship and go to these different planets. It's because they're able to generate such a big thing, right, and so he was saying that he sees a lot of the similarities of creating, of these games being created in how reality functions.
Speaker 2:Wow, think about this. This doesn't technically have to go against God, because what if God created us and the way he created us were in like a video game format? Does that make sense? No, I see where you're going with that. Like we were, like it could be a simulation, but it could be. You know, even if it is a simulation, then we definitely have a creator, because there wouldn't just be a simulation. Yeah, and then I guess it wouldn't even be a simulation, it would just be reality, but yeah.
Speaker 1:I see the, I see the train of logic that you're you are riding on. I would say this we could call it a simulation. But he told us what to do at the end to get out of it, right, yeah, at the end time to get out of it Escape in the matrix. Yeah, escape in the matrix. Essentially, you know, whatever you know, I think we can. That's very interesting and the similarities I know can relate so well and parallel so well to the reality that we have With that. I would say that, looking at it that way I know people have a lot of different ways of looking at that- yeah, think about this.
Speaker 2:I don't hate the internet, but think about this. So let's say I'm a guy, I design video games right, and I design such a complex and intricate game where my character can make his own choices, right, or he has the ability to go, and let's say he gets so bored that he starts creating video games. What do you call the guy in the second video game and how do you know if you're the guy in the first video game? How do you know you're not in another video game?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's an interesting, interesting analytical theory. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which I can't prove anything. It's just fun to think about.
Speaker 1:No, it's fun to think about because you get in these highly intellectual, deep realms of theory that you have to jump through these mental hoops to make a full circle of you know. To make a full circle of you know. This is certainly I don't have any opinions about it it's fascinating to think about, you know.
Speaker 2:If we were, we could be in something that we don't realize it. Because, think about this. This is wild. I'm going to give you all my wild ones. I'm going to be your wild guy. I'll get a little crazy, I'll get a little rowdy. Think about this how do we know, when we wake up every morning, that we weren't just uploaded with memories, gotcha? So, like, when I wake up in the morning, all I can base yesterday off of is the fact that I remember what happened yesterday. Yeah, how do I know that that's not just uploaded? How do I know the day is not the first day I lived?
Speaker 1:Well, I would say this I'm going to say that I hope I'm not sarcastic. I promise you. Oh no, you know what I'm going to go back to. Oh yeah, that's fine. No there's so many like theories and stuff out there. I stay grounded with one truth, and that one truth keeps me away. It keeps me tethered to a certain belief that I have Right. That keeps you going. That keeps me grounded.
Speaker 2:What if this was the first day of my life?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so technically all these theories would be true. Right, we have the simulations, we would have the you know stuff being uploaded, what would happen, and they're fascinating, fascinating theories to think about. I mean, in a lot of these things, man, they get so analytical and this logic that they you have. When you study this stuff it makes you think and you get lost in it, you know.
Speaker 2:So, but I don't believe most of the shit, I say no but it's fascinating to think about.
Speaker 1:And I can see in your realm, because you listen to these people daily though, so it's fascinating to see, and it's cool to see, all the things you pull from too, and everything I'm telling you it's 600 hours of podcast.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm able to do this, because you can't give me a subject that somebody else hadn't talked about.
Speaker 1:Well, you pulled a lot more out of me than I thought was gonna come out, joseph. Well, this is.
Speaker 2:This is what I do, man. I'm trying to get better at it, I know.
Speaker 1:I think you're dude, you're excellent at it as one one creator to another here. Man, you're doing a man a super good job. You're chill, you're relaxed, you have a good heart, and that's the type of people I like to surround myself with. That's open-minded too, you know that is.
Speaker 2:I'm really working towards that. I really am.
Speaker 1:That's been like a goal of mine to not just be so shut down about like what I think about yeah, and I can only understand as a podcaster, you know, going back to famous Rogan, you know that dude is like everybody loves him because he's so unbiased. He tried to get I don't want to trigger the stuff here, but he tried to get Kamala on and then Vance came on. It's so like he don't care. He just wanted to get to know people better and I know there's some different. I'll call it the secret sauce to the podcast. But man, I think you're doing really good keeping a good, you know, objective view of things.
Speaker 2:The secret is getting people to talk longer. Yeah, it really is, because then we find out, then you find out more about people like in the second or third hour, I know. Think about this. Think about we talked, so everything was so like to be successful. You need to do this and we need. This is why this channel has worked, and this and that, and then just we completely went off the rails, like in the second hour.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying I know it's like completely yeah, so when I send these to my followers, I'm going to be like man. Okay, so we got this right here. No, we're talking about some wild stuff.
Speaker 2:No, the first hour. Yeah, the first hour of it. So do you actually do an edited version? I can. I can send you the first hour of this before we start doing all the crazy stuff and you get like pulled from that, or we could do two different videos. Yeah, we'll talk about it off camera.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm just having fun yeah dude, I'm having fun too, man, I'm so glad that you asked me to be on here. Man, it's been tremendous and stuff it would be interesting. This is just me.
Speaker 2:This is just me how podcasts?
Speaker 1:you said at the beginning of this you want to grow organically by talking, by doing different. You know, just like this and growing it, what would happen? Have you forgive me if I'm overextending myself here? No, have you, like, actually attacked a topic that you think would be a hot topic?
Speaker 2:Like niching down, like yeah, to where it's a podcast about something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not sure if that's your thing, but have you thought about doing maybe some 30-minute long ones?
Speaker 2:There's things I'm interested in. I love Avatar, the Last Airbender. I love Star Wars. I know more about Star Wars than most people know about regular stuff. There's so many of them out there.
Speaker 2:It's like I don't know the things that I like I don't know, I don't know and I can't, I feel like. So we have a comedy podcast and that's niched down and it's, it's fun and the whole point of that is to we just make fun of what's going on. So that is kind of niche. Now we're just reacting to the news and making fun of things that are going on in the world. But I can't do a third when I'm out of gas. But I 100% know what you're saying because I probably would get more results faster. I just I know, I don't know. This feels so right, you know what I mean Definitely Talking to people and the variety, and I know it's hard to sell variety, but I'm hoping that people fall in love with me, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely Definitely, and so they like that. For the same reason, they might like someone like Joe Rogan or Theo Vaughn or somebody that does bring on a lot of variety, because it's like, what is Joe going to say to this preacher? What is Joe going to say to this UFC fighter? What is he going to say to this tattoo artist Like that's kind of what I'm banking on. No, I got you man.
Speaker 2:But, it makes more sense to niche down. It really does. I still could not confuse. I am confused on how to say that word.
Speaker 1:I got you. Yeah, niche, niche, niche. My idea and I understand doing things that's organic to you, creating content that's organic to you. I'm going to relate this back to me. Then I'm going to go back to the podcast world.
Speaker 1:One of my most viewed videos is not a wood carving video, it is a knife sharpening video. Another one's a polishing video, which that was highly controversial, because I polished coins. All the coin collectors came out of their holes. And knife sharpening video. And another one's a polishing video, which that was highly controversial, because I polished coins. All the coin collectors came out of their holes and attacked me. Oh, they attacked me.
Speaker 1:Don't do this. It gave them so much anxiety but it drove it. You know like, again, you don't want to do that, but you know controversial, you know stuff. But, man, you know I was thinking and again, I wanted these people. I never want to overextend myself and say, hey, do this, do this.
Speaker 1:But this just comes from just years of being on YouTube, years of talking with other creators and paying money to learn. You know psychology, all this other crazy stuff that I've I've all been into. Man, it would be so interesting just as a thought. You know how real this is with you right here, but get like, maybe have some guests on and get real pointed on one section of it of like solving a specific need and putting that title and that description and stuff.
Speaker 1:And just you know, I have to say that you're niching down because you know you don't want to just go down to this one niche or niche. I mean, you know, I just say that you're niching down because you know you don't want to just go down to this one niche or niche. Yeah, I mean you said, but it'd be so interesting to see what would happen, because I know this is organic, this is real, this is what you're doing, but I wonder what would happen. I heard someone say this one time. I'm going to butcher this and I know it's a little bit different in the podcast world man, because you know more about this stuff than I do because I'm doing tutorial videos.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you're uniquely solving a problem with your 5, 10, 15-minute video. Yeah, and so everything I've studied on YouTube is like solve a problem, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's where it can be like hard for people. Well, I take it from the vlogging world. Some people get big, other people don't, and all the YouTubers. There's a guy he opened up a film school, parker Walbeck, and millions of subscribers and stuff really respect the guy. He's well known in the videography community and he said vloggers. He said, hey, do your thing, but he said know this that. And he said bloggers. He said hey, do your thing, but he said know this that. And this isn't meant as any type of like discouragement in any degree. It just he said you know you're up there talking about your life. He said before people want to know about you. You need, he said, solve a need for them. You know whatever that is, but maybe their need is the entertainment aspect, you know right.
Speaker 2:That's where I go back to when it comes to like, what problem have I solved today? I think, well, maybe some people have thought through these things and they've wanted to ask maybe some of the questions I've asked, definitely. But that's to where that's like kind of where I see I'm solving a need but like if I did a Star Wars specific podcast, it probably would do better and it probably would go faster, or something like that, where I was just like, hey, these people want to hear about Star Wars. I know about Star Wars, let's talk about Star Wars. It's just I think I would burn out. I understand completely, man.
Speaker 2:I think that the variety in this and I'm the type of person that, like all my favorite podcasts, that I'm the type of person that all my favorite podcasts, that I'm dialed into, they're all like this. I say that I like the Restless History podcast, I like Star Talk, I like American Criminal. I do listen to these ones that are about this, but for the most part the way, and I know when I look at their views, I know there is a market for this. It's just the goal. Well, I mean, the challenge definitely would be who cares right now about who I talk to. Yeah, yeah, but I know that there's people that like talking about stuff like this and having a variety of people and all that stuff. I think it may be slower and I'm kind of like in it for the long haul type deal where, like I'll just do this. Yeah, I can't imagine not meeting with like cool people every week and talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is so cool man, it's so amazing, and I do want to echo this I'm not. Anything I brought up was just more or less a question for me, just wondering how kind of wrestling, because you know, I've been locked into my niche so long Like I wonder how this would work in the podcast world. Oh, it would work, it would work, but it's awesome what you're doing. You're staying so authentic to what you want to do. I think that's amazing, man, and especially with how long you've been consistent, bro, it's like that's really awesome.
Speaker 2:I probably between recording, editing and all that stuff. I know I'm doing 20 plus hours a week and I don't, and this is I mean I have a business I run, yeah, like we work.
Speaker 1:I work outside and, dude, that's insane that you juggle all that bro.
Speaker 2:I have two kids. I have a two had a wife and a kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah so I've been married since 2016. I got with her in 2012. We've been together for a long time, oh wow. And I have a two-year-old girl and a four-year-old boy. Dude, that's awesome man. So I had to do them late, but when I get home from work, I was doing these at six and I had a little bit more energy. But I don't care. Five to at least 745, because I live right down the road. So it's like, even on the podcast days, I want to hang out with the babies. I want to hang out with them.
Speaker 2:So that's another something I'm balancing, and then I post on seven social medias, at least two or three times a day?
Speaker 1:Do you use Hindenburg? Do you use Audition? What? Are you editing the podcast with Final Cut Pro? Oh, that's right, because you're doing the video with it. Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2:So I do Final Cut Pro. Opus makes a ton of clips for me, thank God. Yeah, they're amazing Because I can keep up. And yeah, so Opus and like, so I can even make my own clips and I'll run them through Opus and let them do the captioning, Because that's, I'm not messing with captioning, so I they oh yeah, Opus is amazing, episode in and it makes ones and I can go in there. Now they're getting better at it. You can go edit it. You can even put B-roll in. You can. Ai will do some stuff you can take out words.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen some of that stuff, I've experimented. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I know they had the clip it version or the clip it feature. I tried that. I wasn't really a fan of it. Those are good for what I do.
Speaker 2:Good for what you because.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say for mine.
Speaker 2:If I put an hour in and it just clips it, it'll kind of find stuff for you.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Well, yeah, that content's different than mine because I had a tutorial and I was like this wasn't working. Yeah, just cut out the main part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I could see where. Don't clip it, right, because I don't need you to clip it, I already clipped it. And then just put me some. What's the cause? It's in there. It's like captions, captions, yeah, yeah, yeah, right on, yeah, I post on Facebook probably five times a day because that's where, for some reason, I get the most traction on Facebook.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's weird how you'll get audiences so like. For the longest time, instagram did not want to see wood carving stuff or tutorial. They want to see pictures of my tomahawks from back when I was getting 600, 700, 800 likes a post. Now it's like zero. Oh dude.
Speaker 2:I'm failing on Instagram. Oh dude, I can't. I post stuff sometimes and it doesn't even get any likes.
Speaker 1:They say it's not the algorithm. It is certainly a hundred percent the algorithm on Instagram. I'm hoping that'll change. I'm hoping Because, dude, it got stupid. It depressed me, man.
Speaker 2:Dude, nothing works on Instagram. Yeah, dude Nothing. I've tried works on.
Speaker 1:Instagram and Facebook I post a picture on there to get it to go really good and stuff. But as far as YouTube, a lot of my tutorial stuff sometimes I do kind of cater to the different social media platforms.
Speaker 2:I think the reason why Facebook's working for me is because a lot of this podcast stuff has been locally focused. Yes, and Facebook is more just like him down the road.
Speaker 1:Definitely, and depending on who you have on and stuff man. So it like I guess I don't know famous how popular you are, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm like locally popular, but outside of here nobody knows who I am outside of Texarkana. I would say that there's probably a ton of people that know me in Texarkana, and that's just because I'm talking to people that other people know. Like people are knowing me through Tony Langford now, or Morgan Smith, or like some of these big people yeah, big people in town. Yeah, definitely, most definitely, we'll do that. Yeah, like, yeah, morgan Smith texted me the other day and was asking me something about podcasts. I'm like in what world is the Texarkana Game Day guy?
Speaker 1:asking me for advice, right. Well, man, I know I was like this is insane. Well, I mean you have boots on the ground, you're doing this, yeah, and you're securing people to come in here and do this. So I mean you have fruit behind what you're doing, yeah, and while I mean you are steadily gaining subscribers and stuff, man, I would say this what you're doing right now is huge. I mean, no one in town does this. I mean you're being a big part of the community, bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know anybody that says 70. Yeah, I don't know, I just. To me there's also like I'm on this race to like 100 episodes, because I feel like once you see a podcast that has 100 episodes, you know they didn't quit. It's almost like you're establishing yourself. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work, but just saying it. You know which? I have a hundred episodes, but I split them up into two channels and sometimes I wish I don't know, I don't know if I'm doing right by that or not. That's the like to what you're saying, like this is just a big experiment, right, and I'm sure that's how your YouTube journey went.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just tried stuff, yeah, and now I found out what is hitting Like. I made a video the other day. It should be number one right now. The last 10 videos this is my best performing video, joseph. Everything I did in this video.
Speaker 1:It took so long. You probably see the bags underneath my eyes, man. I put so much time into this video. Everything was so intentional, to the thumbnail. It took me two hours for the thumbnail Two hours and I knew it was for a very specific purpose.
Speaker 1:I knew that it needed to go big and that I took an already successful formula and I emulated that 100% and this was a. No longer was it a like hey, shot in the dark. We're going to see if this works Like no, I want this to work and I've done this before and it hasn't worked. But I take what was the popular topic. I re box at, repackage that, turn it around a different way than reserve it to my audience and it and it. It does good and I tell people this one I want to do YouTube. I'm consultation. You may have a nice plate of steak potatoes, some green beans and a little dessert and you have everything you need for a successful, successful recipe. But the way that you present that is stopping you from getting views. This is different. The pot I've met and seen this different in the podcast community and stuff. But the way I'm saying is that I teach people like when we first.
Speaker 1:I don't mean to get on a rant about how to do this, no, go ahead. So in the first 20 seconds of my video, you're going to get an emotional promise what you're going to get from me, because what people are there for what? Your fruit? Yeah, they're there for something specific. And when they get something specific, okay. And when they get something specific, okay, they have you gotta since TikTok came out. I mean what you have three seconds now to keep their attention. It's stupid. I hate that. Yeah, I hate it too.
Speaker 1:So in the first six seconds of my video, depending on the style that I am doing, bro, I'll show my face, more or less, show what I'm doing, have text on the screen. Have I call it a Bible business strategy? I'll tell you about it here in a little bit. It's wild, but I'll text on the screen. I'm showing them what they're going to get from me and if they don't watch my video, what's going to happen. And I hate to say, well, if you're not fair. I'm just showing you. It's the recipe. Okay, this guy knows what he's talking about. I'm going to get something I need and in the first 20 seconds, bro, they get all these factors and I've hit the stimulation on all their levels so they see, right, yeah, then they're getting a text across the screen. There's another visual cue. There's another cue where I have music coming in. So they have that third one. It has to be done tastefully. There's certain correct pacings.
Speaker 1:Now, I come from a filmmaking background, heavily into filmmaking, so I'm like getting these engagements going right. This may be too much for some people, but this is like for what I do, I need it, I need it and it's a certain style. So over time, you develop, actually you develop your style and your style. So over time, you develop, actually you develop your style and your style. All that simply means is all the influences that you have in your life has came together and you have now successfully interpreted to what is you, what you feel is you, and that happens from the threads of other people, because other people's DNA they'll see in you. Like, I see some Rogan in you, man, and I love it.
Speaker 1:It's not that you're You're supposed to sound like who influences you.
Speaker 1:I heard someone say this one time. Is that? Well, you sound like this. No, I'm not talking about parenting them, I'm not talking about copying them, but there will be a thread of DNA on who influences you, because it's supposed to influence you, it's supposed to come out of you. You sound like what you look like your father, right, but other things that influence us that we look up to will sound like them. I mean, it's natural we're supposed to. It's a commulation of things that make us who we are, to develop our style. But back to the video. I'm sorry, I'm all over the place. I get passionate stuff, bro. So within the first 20 seconds of the video they get all this stuff and then they go in and then you have pacing in your videos for tutorials and so I'm showing them how to do something. But it's a the the striking the balance between articulation and formality and being myself showing me on camera what they're getting matt they, they want to get me because we all have a heartbeat. Can't AI this stuff yeah.
Speaker 1:I do use GPT on some stuff to change my grammar or not change my grammar to correct my grammar, or use that or grammarly to get stuff going, you know, to make sure. But no, no, this is all me, this is coming from the heart. The message is you, the message is me, man. And so it's striking a balance and stuff, and it's learning and what I mean about the meat and the potatoes and stuff getting it all.
Speaker 1:Every content creator at some point has to learn how to position the food on the plate and make it more appetizing for the viewer. It has to happen, and some people they go, it's good, but some people have all the stuff there, man, but they don't have. Hey, turn the steak this way. Let's put the mashed potatoes on this side. Does that make sense? Yeah, I'm sorry, but it requires experimentation, man. Yeah, yeah, it requires experimentation.
Speaker 1:And so it's like, it's almost like, can you do what you're doing and I'm saying this for YouTuber if you pull, take the meat to be off the bones, right, but if you can organize your food in a certain way on your plate and serve it to the people, oh, okay, I'm going to start eating. I had everything to make the videos take off like I did before, but my problem was I put the potatoes where the meat was supposed to go. I spent too long right here when they wanted this right here. And, yes, I analyzed it. Yes, I got mechanical, but now, looking back, I have data to pull from and so that's kind of the way that I. I don't know if that's helpful at all no, yeah, that's definitely helpful?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's, and that may be too analytical for some.
Speaker 2:No, that makes sense. I think one thing that I could do with the podcast is and what I see other, sometimes other people do is they'll take some of the most exciting parts and put it at the beginning yeah, and they'll be like, like, like, like. If I was, I could do like some moments of this and it'd be like, uh, like there's giants, like and I can prove it with the Bible, and then, like, cut it off.
Speaker 1:Then cut it, yeah, and then, yeah, do that help so much? Because it's like like a brutally honest truth. And I want to say this tastefully, man, because I've told other YouTubers this that I've coached and everything, and this is, take this with a grain of salt. And again, I don't mean this to be like because this can be very, oh man, that hurt a little bit. I've told people before I said, bro or girl, I said you need to be quiet. I said you talking about you all, that you just starting talking. They don't know you, they want your fruit, they want you, and I said you can get to this level, but they don't know what you're talking about because it goes kind of back to need like what you're saying. So maybe I'm just saying maybe, but the meat right here where the potatoes usually go, Kind of mix them together.
Speaker 2:That might be a good way to get them interested. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dude, you're still being you and I told ministers this before and so we're like, you have good stuff. I said you have to position this right. I said you're in a pond and this sounds so manipulative and I don't mean it this way. But you're in a pond, you, and this sounds so manipulative and I don't mean it this way. But you're in a pond. You got to use the right type of bait for the fish. You got to put the right worm on the hook for the fish. Yes, you can, over time, get stuff, but if you can go faster by modifying not changing, but modifying, modifying certain aspects of it and morphing, because, I'll tell you this, I love listening to Rogan. Depending on who the guest is, it's Rogan, number one. His name is the search term, it doesn't matter, it's him. He's the dude, right? Yeah, I've typed in stuff before and his short clips came on, or his long, specific clips. Yeah, those Hovering a topic, yeah, those are the ones that gets me to the full video. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Those are the ones that gets me to the full video. Yeah, yeah, I try that and I always give up. I make medium clips all the time because I do it on Facebook, because that is the goal. I post five to 10 minute clips. I do it almost every day and I'll put the link in the comments. I noticed if you post a link in the status part of it you won't get any views.
Speaker 1:I think it's because it's been in the comments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Facebook doesn't want you to leave Facebook.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it's funny. You say that For the second time or third time in my life. I put the video in the comments yesterday when I posted it on Facebook, because I always put it there. I knew that I preached that to people, but I kept doing it like I forgot or something, but isn't that?
Speaker 2:wild. They just want. They don't want you, they don't want you to leave facebook. It makes sense, like that's why they're. They don't make it easy for you. You can put a link in your story, but it's weird, it's off to the side, yeah it. Yeah, dude, it's so weird man it is so weird, but they're all, every, every one of them. Companies are about their bread, about about their money, about their viewers. They are man. It's important to them how long you sit on their site. I do.
Speaker 1:It is man, and I'm wondering, with the recent elections, how things might change, because I know there's a lot of companies that has like, hey, we're running from DEI, we're doing this, you know, don't give it. What are we on?
Speaker 2:Are we at three hours?
Speaker 1:Is it time to talk about censorship? Oh no, it's censorship. So, so, dude, that's hilarious man. Now we can go any any time. Man, I'm like, bro, I'm, I'm, I'm free flow, man, let's let's do that another day.
Speaker 2:We'll do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my daughter goes to bed at 8.30 oh man, I went to bed yesterday at 7. I pulled an 18 hour shift, dude I was. So when I yesterday, when I texted, I said, dude. Now I'm like please God don't let him say because, dude, I could barely function. That's not. I slept for 12 hours for the first time in months, anyway. Yeah, actually, probably over a year. Yeah, I never sleep like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had to. I sleep from about midnight to seven consistently, my gosh man. But I do that consistently and I'm running out of time. But no, yeah, but no, that's all good, man, I definitely appreciate you. I'm going to have you back. I've been trying to put together what I call these super episodes, where I try to put interesting people together. Yeah, and I've got this other one where these people don't know each other, and I know that one will be wild because they're all kind of the same type people, but I'm going to put them in a room and they'll meet each other for the first time and then we'll just take off. But I think I want to have you and Chase on at the same time. I was about to say we will go back and forth intense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would love it. I've had Chase on here twice I love Chase man.
Speaker 1:Did y'all ever dig into the Bible? Did y'all dig into John's? No, Because me and him always talk about John.
Speaker 2:We talked a lot about AI. We talked a lot about some different ones in the first one, and the second one we talked a lot more about is the book and that stuff I got you, yeah For sure. Then it was the day after the election that me and him did that, so we ended up talking about more about that stuff than I like to do, but you know, the job calls for it.
Speaker 1:Andre dude, I'd be honored to be back on man. This is a lot of fun. I felt like I made a new friend too. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the cool thing, that's the key to this. I meet people sometimes on the podcast. Did we speak the other day? Did we speak at the deal?
Speaker 1:Did we? I can't remember no, no, no, we didn't. You said hi. I think we said hi real fast and stuff.
Speaker 2:We talked on the phone a little bit but this is it happening and it's on camera. This is it happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:And it's on camera and it's cool, it's fun, it's just like in front of everybody we just met.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, dude, and talk for three hours. I know that's so crazy, so I have some recommendations for you. Okay, yeah, such a cool dude. I love that guy. And who did I tell you earlier?
Speaker 2:My filter's off, I'll have to go watch these and grab the ones you said earlier there was a Matt and a Matt and Mark.
Speaker 1:Yes, matt and Mark Payton. Yeah, yeah, they'd be tremendous to have on. They're such good dudes and stuff. And there's another guy, his name is Devin Carroll. He's another YouTuber and stuff. He stays super busy Like he has his own work and everything. Is he from here?
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, cool. Yeah, devin Carroll, I'll look all these people up when I'm in and I'll go find all these. Yeah, when I'm editing I'll go find all these. Yeah, dude. So I think you, it is weird going out and like searching for people like cause, like people are always like, like some people are cool about it. One dude was like who are you? How do I know you? And I was like look, look, look, somebody recommended you. I'm sorry, like I really wow. Then he was like oh, and I said I regret asking you, I regret it. I said you're no longer invited to the podcast. I knew you're no longer Dude. Some people get weird man Dude and maybe they've been through some. That's not for me to do. Amber Adams, amber Adams, you know who?
Speaker 1:she is. No, she used to be at the Chamber of Commerce, she is now at Harvest Food. Tits or Canna very, very popular person in Tetra Cana. It's hard to not give her a hug, but she's amazing. Yeah, she's absolutely amazing, and I can give you a whole list if you want to. Definitely, because you know I take pictures of the magazine.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, you probably got. And that's how do we not talk about that, dude? We didn't even talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Straight to the point. You need me in front of everyone on my mic. Yeah, yeah, let me plug myself in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's plug. Yeah, we may have to do a. It'd be cool to have a cover with a green background and have like one of those sports spots come down from the ceiling or whatever.
Speaker 2:You just brother bro, I know how you do bro, we can, we can chill bro, yeah, no, uh, look at me trying to plug myself into somebody else's stuff.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just having a good time.
Speaker 2:No, dude, you're so, we're so chill man, we're having a good time bro yeah, it's fun, dude, hey, uh, let's, let's cut. Go ahead and cut her short. Yeah, um, I appreciate you, man, thank you, thank you, thank, I'm gonna have you back, probably with chase. I think we'll set that up. Maybe let a couple months, months go by, yeah yeah, yeah, that'd be fun.
Speaker 1:I love Chase. He's a good guy, but man, I'm honored to be on.
Speaker 2:We covered a lot of ground.
Speaker 1:It's been a lot of fun, man.
Speaker 2:So, thank you so much, and it's Cornelius Creations, right Cornelius.
Speaker 1:Creations. That's the name of, and Tetrakena Magazine. Come on, come on.
Speaker 2:Don't plug the official count. It is 200 minutes. I'm not good at math. That's like three hours and 20 minutes. Oh my God, it's 1145.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I had no clue. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Y'all have a good night. Y'all be blessed. We're out, take care.