Anton Taylor on the Bishops Pride Flag & Toxic Masculinity | Politically Aweh

A pride flag went up at Bishops boys' high school for two whole days during Pride Month, and some of the school's old boys had a full meltdown about it.

But here's the thing, they don't all speak for the school. Anton Taylor, another Bishops old boy, took one look at the ooms trying to yank it down and said "absolutely not."

Actor, comedian and friend of the show, Anton joins KG for a frank, unfiltered conversation about comedy, masculinity, the culture of boys' schools, and why standing up for the person with the least power in the room is the whole point.

Real strength isn't kicking down at the people below you, it's the opposite. You can love rugby and the gym and still not be a bully about it. We get into where toxic masculinity actually comes from, what these schools get right and badly wrong, how comedy fits into all of it, and what it means to be an old boy who wants better for the next lot.

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SPEAKER_04 0:00

Bruh, 50 dudes. Come out. I'm not lying, bruh, with knob carries.

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Like, like, I'm like, who said this? I'm like, what the f bruh? What? What?

SPEAKER_04 0:12

I always used to think Derek Watts would walk into my flat, which would be covered in all sorts of booze, paraphernalia, and he's gonna go like, oh, this is the worst I've seen. I'm retiring. I very rapidly after stopping drinking, I had a crazy run where I was like, Tully's diary, finished my master's, got a job at Super Sport. Like within six minutes, it was like, dude. And then also I was like, because I said I and I own it, like I used to say stupid things, I used to be obnoxious. I was like, you've got so much going on here, the last thing you want is to drink and then ruin it. I want nothing to do with this because my issue is they signed it in the name of everybody Bishop's Old Boy. And I'm telling you, and this is why I'm one of the reasons I believe this, bruh. Bishops all boys like a lot of them just don't like they don't care. But point being they don't have a problem with the prize play.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Content creator of media, a professional boy, and friend of the show, Anton Taylor, my man, my brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:21

How you doing, my doctor? Oh, bro, honestly blessed to be here. Like, I'm obviously a big fan of you guys. My man. I'm a big fan of you, my man. And to be in the studio with the team. Oh, this is uh I've been waiting for call-up.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

I've been waiting for you know what? You're the first one we have who's not a journalist or a politician. Are you serious? Yeah, you we're like we're like we're gonna have fun. And who is the best person in the country to have fun with? And then you came dressed up like you came dressed up like a pimp, a porn star, and the boikey. Like I I mess with that.

SPEAKER_04 1:59

Um potential, well, not really pimping, I think out that not to that, but the the porn is always uh an option for a career. Shout out. How's it going, bro? It's been going good. It's been going good. It's been going good. It's yeah, it's been a busy year. It's been a busy year. Like the the I'd say the dominant thing of the year has been my journey into comedy. Yeah, yeah. Um, but I'd say I'm in a good wicket, getting married, uh, you know, making plans. Yeah, so life's life's in a good got a got a mistake thick moustache, you know, so life's good. Hence the porn star. Yeah, exactly. And that's more like, and something I would consider is drug dealing. Like, especially if it were if it were like legal, you know, I'd love to to deal recreational drugs, but um so so porn, drug dealing, that is the direction that maybe we see, or politics politicians is probably that's a bit too scummy for me. Oh, for real. Selling drugs, being in porn, ethical. Yeah, politics, I'm not sure. With with respect, I know we have friends, and I'm not talking about the politicians I'm friends with, I'm talking about your opponents, who I'm sure you agree, are the lowest critics. Respect.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Madame, I met you, I met you like, I can't even remember the year, but you were busy with the Anton Taylor show. Dude! I was sure that I'm gonna be on TV. I was like, I'm gonna be on. It was ETV, it was ETV, bro. It was ETV. Rob Van Firen called me out the blue and went, yo, I've got this dude, Anton Taylor is putting together a show. Was he directing? I'm he was the director. I'm directing. Oh, Rob Van Firen had directed my one-man show. Yes, and then he was like, yo, I think you'd be solid for the thing. Yeah, and then when an audition did your thing, and the final take, I was eating a baguette, and it was like one of the dopest shots. Like, I don't even remember what happened, but it's like it's like take a shot and then speak into camera, and then and then everything started falling apart. I was like, I'm getting this geek, and then nothing happened. What the f happened, bro? That is a flash from the past.

SPEAKER_04 4:16

So I was a company came to me and they were like, dude, it was like you know, you hear these starlets, they go to Hollywood and someone produces, like, you're gonna be a star. And I mean, no, I've known nothing against the the production team, that wasn't their fault. They were like, dude, you're the man, okay, and we want to do the Anton Taylor show. Okay, yeah. Now I'm in my early 20s, mid-20s at that time. I'm like, and they're like, You're gonna be a star, bro. Like, you're gonna be a household name. Okay, so I'm like, okay, this is here we go. So, so Rob, uh, me, we worked so hard. It was on a pilot series or a pilot episode. I can't remember exactly what it was, but we were like, This is this is gonna be there.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

I showed up and there was there was Bonnie Bully there, dude.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

Like when I saw Bonnie Mbulli, I was like, Oh shit, this is you, Bonnie and Bully, um, Sivengesi, Rob Funfuren, uh Skulk Bazidenho present like dude, it was popping, and the whole time I was like, Oh wow, because it was my first I've subsequently been disappointed numerous times in my life. I'm kind of understand rejection and heartbreak deeply. But uh so what happened was we we poured our souls into it, and everyone, the production team, the guys who had said to me, you know, you we're gonna make it, and then we submitted to um to ETV, and uh they were like, Cool, we're gonna uh consider it. And then like it, I was like, oh, and like bear in mind, I told my family, I'm like, everyone, I'm like, guys, the Anton Taylor show, it's gonna be, and I was like, yo, bro, this is uh like this is deep, you know? And then and then there was like, okay, no, no, they just need a bit of time to consider it. And then the kind of my issue is that the communications just stopped. I was like, and then it's like a few months, and then I was like, oh, I'm sure I'm sure it's a real, it's a real thing when it comes to TV. So I never got like a no or anything like that, but um yeah, that's what that's how it works.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

It's a real thing when it comes to TV, where where you you shoot this thing or you come with like a dope pitch, and they're like, we love it. And then they're like, oh we gotta, we gotta we're gonna discuss amongst ourselves with young man, and then and then two weeks later they're quiet, and then three weeks, and then after six months, you're like, I mean, that's what you know what would be nice in this industry.

SPEAKER_04 6:46

People are just like, uh, you know what? It's sorry, no, you know, we've changed our minds, and actually, I once auditioned for a like a film with it uh I signed an NDA, but it was like a massive South African actor again, and I was like, my name, and I mean, this is so many times in my life, I'm a big daydreamer. I'm like, dude, we're going, we that we're going HBO, okay, and um, but to their credit, they sent uh rejection, they were like, ah, you're not our guy. And Agglisa in that dream died. At least it dies, dog, versus it's six years later, and you're like, I'm still wow. The thing is, some of the skits that we did for the Anton Taylor show have not aged well. I'll say that. There was one or two where I'm like, ooh, I hope this is in the hole. So I'm saying it now. And when I get cancelled, I was a young man, okay. I was prepared. Dude, the one of the the the single, and again, I'm not the single worst thing we did was like a uh like a a Leon Schuster prank, okay? And there was a glass, there was a glass uh window with the double screen, you know, mirror, whatever. And we were um interviewing people for jobs to be my secretary, and I was playing this like chauvinistic guy, and um I'm smoking hubli or cigars, and I'm and then I'm like, um, I have to say, like, I get a call from like my girlfriend, uh, and then my wife comes in, is like, so so it's this whole thing. I couldn't, I'm not lying. I was like, we were I remember we were actually on just off Clover Street. I was like, guys, I don't have the emotional strength to to trick people. Yeah, I went straight, I was like, I was drinking at that time. I was like, I need to go to the I won't name the brand, but the bottle store, bought myself uh a bottle of whiskey or brown sherry, pumped it, pumped it. Okay, I had to like got drunk, and then we're doing this pranks, and then the thing is, you know, when you do pranks, everyone's like, ha ha ha, and you think, bruh, these poor ladies. The one lady was like, I got the train from Durbanville to come here. I told my family we might be getting a job, I might be getting a job, and then we give them like 300 Rand, like, ah ha ha, it's a trap, bruh, and so so like only a few of them laughed. Most of them were like just like really sad that we were dude, ha. I still even bring it up now, like there's some it was deep and dark, bro.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Those pranks. Oh snap. It's a side that we don't know about these pranks, dude. Like you were like rock and roll when you were I was a wild.

SPEAKER_04 9:28

I was I was bruh. At in Matric, I was okay. It sounds more manly than it sounds, but and there's nothing wrong with not being, but anyway, I was a cheerleader, okay. I I the term one might use is war crying. No, no, one might say a war cry leader, and I was 18, and my name then was Savage, okay, bruh.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Oh, they called you Savage, yeah. Oh, you were lit, dog. We've got evidence. UCT. I'm sitting with evidence of your days at UCT. You were problematic, dog. As soon as I get the video, where's the production? Where's the video? Oh my word. You know, it's very hard for me to watch footage of myself. I know it's it's the worst thing ever. I can't even read it. I hate I hate watching myself on this thing, but I will watch you will you take me through the sixes and sevens in UCT, dude.

SPEAKER_04 10:22

Okay, so we're gonna get to the footage of me. This was the UCT I knew and I loved. Okay. Oh, for real. There you see me. That is, guys, that is me covered in pause, pause on that. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, that shot on me. That's that's green vomit, bruh. That is green, I'm covered in vomit that is people's food diet. That when I talk about people are like, I'm a savage, I'm a savage. Bruh, were you were you chanded on? Okay. Now that's now we start to unravel some deeper questions. What I want to point out is hundreds, thousands of people are watching this and cheering.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So you knew beforehand that they're gonna puke on you. Yeah, I signed up for it. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_04 11:16

I offered myself. I was why that's where that's the the why. Why? Let me just talk about the the um the the the just bro, UCT in that time.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

So there was this event where you would run around. I can't believe I paused. I'm sorry. I can't believe I paused on a guy. Is he wearing a nappy?

SPEAKER_04 11:40

Yes, he is, and I think a lot of that is it's a dress up, but I let's just say I think those nappies get used. Um you know what I mean. Please go on, I'm sorry, I'm sorry for disturbing you. So, so so at UCT there was this event called Six by Sevens where you run around, you do seven laps, and then you drink six beers. Now, I think originally it was more like ha ha, then eventually obviously people vomit. Then eventually people started saying, Well, now we're gonna drink food die. Okay. And then they would, I remember you'd have spaghetti, yeah, okay, and then sometimes the alphabet spaghetti, you know, so it's like letters coming out. Okay. Now, what I think is the most interesting aspect of this culturally is not that people did this, right? But what was unusual about this is there would be an audience of like hundreds, maybe over a thousand, and like cheering you on, like you're a gladiator. That's what, because you go, like, if you heard about it, you'd be like, bruh, there's this weird subgroup. But this is like a massive group of students, and so I was always uh like involved in this. Obviously, you know, it's like and and I remember when I was I was head of the student government, okay, and I actually convinced them. I was like, look, it's gonna happen, let me facilitate it. Okay. Now, what they didn't know was I made the Facebook group, but I made it anonymously, the invite. Remember, this is back in the time you you you have an event, it's a Facebook event, Gen Z. I don't know if this, but that was how it went down. And I was like, let us celebrate and chunder on each other. And I remember then I got called into a meeting with the UCT powers that be, and they're like, you know, it's just really disturbing that someone would talk like this, who would encourage alcohol abuse like this? And I was like, I was the writer, and I was like, and they're like, anyway, so I was the MC. So I I literally facilitated this organ, this, this, this event, but then as was right, as was right, the competitors, much like you like a gladiator, you're a gladiator. Modern day, they said, We we summon you to give sacrifice, and so I'm like, listen, you know, like this is this is ethically the right thing to do. So I went before them all and was like, in honor. I you know, it's easy, like they say, the man in the arena. I'm not gonna be the critic, I'm gonna be the man in the center, and then they all collectively chanted on me. Yeah. Um, and because of that, look, when I when or if I have children, bro, no, no, no fluids are gonna bother me. You know, that was I and I tell you something, I don't get sick. Okay, like like I your immune system has that was like my second adult vaccination, bro. Jesus, dude. Oh, but that that is something I can watch with with uh joy and um and and pride. Like I'm pr I'm I'm proud of that. And they say white people have no culture, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

White culture on display.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

Let's go! See testimony, testimony, no, they're loving it. He's on the floor.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

This is just cheese and you were you you you had hands up, right?

SPEAKER_06 15:00

Can I tell you?

SPEAKER_01 15:01

I was literally looking at that. Can I tell you? And I was like, you were hands up, brother. You were like, if only you knew.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

I had no confidence.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

I'm looking back at that brother. Did you see the hair? How do you mean I had no confidence? People are puking on you, my dog.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

But I didn't, if I look like I did now, like if I looked like I did then, no, and I was single, but I would I would walk into bars. I'm I'm not being I would just sit there in like aura farm, you know. I was like for a large part of my life for me to even talk to women, I had to be like blackout drunk. Okay, it was a long journey for me to to get confidence, and so I'm like, bruh, what do you do? Well, what that's actually the best way to use your look, dude.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

These dudes, these dudes, do you are you still in contact with some of them?

SPEAKER_04 15:49

Uh I am, I am with some of them, yeah. You know, we shared good times. We shared good times, bruh. Like, where are they now? Like are they accountants, are they accountants, yeah, bruh. Someone's dad. Those are our leaders of society. I mean, I don't think any of them got into politics. I'll say that right. But those dudes, I mean, they were all, you know, UCT is an academically strong place. They were all UCT students. I'd say many of them were business science, law. Um, you know, I was the dumb, I was doing BA, you know. So those dudes are.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

You shout out one or two of them right now and what one or two. I mean, they're on video, might as well.

SPEAKER_04 16:27

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna mention any names, though. Okay, just because you know why? They're like a normal dude. They're they're the none of them have become public figures, I don't think. So look, Canisa Jam Jam here. He used to, I think, spectate, and he did no, he did compete. Canisa jam jam competed. Canisa jam jam, my brother. Jam jam was in Copano residence, the most boycci residence. I was in Leon Rockwood, okay. Uh Copano, um, they were like had a lot more kind of of the private school Morosi school dudes for whatever reason. Jam Jam was like a boycie. Jam jam was a jock.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

He talks about it in his comedy. Yeah, he talks about Jam Jam was rock and roll.

SPEAKER_04 17:08

Bruh, he was. I mean, for me, I never uh I don't think I had an addiction. I was never treated to a facility.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

But but you know, like like like five to uh like five to yeah, five to midnight. Five to midnight.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

I I I was very functional, that's it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

But yeah, Jam Jam is one of those black dudes on the clip, yeah. Where you're like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:33

I think in hindsight, you know, as you become aware of things, you're like, dude, that was a very white crowd. Like that is there was and I tried to like m invite like um as many black dudes as I can, and but I think it's more just common sense. That like, what are these, what are these whites doing? Like, like, can you imagine? But then can you imagine, bro? I also understand the like the excess in that there's students there, I think, on S N N S Foss who are like really you know not getting big salaries or payments from home or whatever it is, and then there's some brat chundering up like uh 200 Rands worth going, ha ha. So I can because I can see in hindsight, my dream was always to make it um multicultural, but but jam jam's uh I got actually quite a few comments from when I posted about it. Uh we did a video with Jam Jam posted this year, and I was happy with the diversity of the commenters being like those were the good days, you know. So there were a lot of I that's a lot of my black it's like one of those a lot, the black guys love no, but there were some some uh black dudes who and and girls who commented on my video saying like we love that. Um but I I think realistically that that could never sustain. That's like a mid late late 2000s kind of uh thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Yeah, I mean you look at it as a bag in the day, you're like this is back in the day, UCT, this looks bad, but at least it's not Stellenbosch because it's Stellenbosch that pee on you, right?

SPEAKER_04 19:04

Yeah, I know in Stellenbosch, it's like Stellenbosch, it's dark. And the thing is, Stellenbosch said they did it in a dungeon, bro. It wasn't I I always believe I'm a big believer in transparency, and I try honestly own every aspect of my life. I think it's a great power because no one's ever gonna come up to me and be like, oh my god, you Anton Taylor's a dumb. I'm like, bro, I've already done a video about it, you know. And so, like they say, light cleans everything, you know. So, so we're gonna chunder on each other, let's do it on a field. And then I think that's the best way to summarize my life. Uh Stelliz and it was a darkened dungeon, bro.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

I like that shit. Like Stellenbosch is a dungeon. What the f is wrong with Stellenbosch, dog? Like, I've got this thing where I go, the year hasn't started officially until Stellenbosch gives us a scandal at the beginning of the year.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

Bruh, so look, I gotta, I gotta tell you, I once wrote an article criticizing Stellenbosch in my in my 20, it was I think 2010, or they had just beaten us in the varsity cup, and I had a very bad experience there where this is so I think it it's Vilchenoch the same resident that was shut. I don't know if it's but the one with the dungeon, right? I think the producer went to Stelenbosch. Is that you can speak? Is that Vilchenoch? And is is Velknoff the one where you can't call it backflaky? Do you know about this? Yeah, okay. So so bro wait, what's a backflaky? And it's a mouth accordion, is that correct? Harmonica. So now we've just lost the rugby. Life kind of sucks. I'm walking back with uh a guy. I I uh I don't want to mention his name, he's a politician's son, okay, and he's a colored dude, and he goes, Big flaky, okay. Now I know nothing about this outside, bruh.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

50 dudes come out.

SPEAKER_04 20:52

I'm not lying, bruh, with knob carries. Oh like, like joke.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

I'm like, like you said this.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

I'm like, what the f bruh, what? What dude?

SPEAKER_04 21:03

And then and then they like find the guy and they're like the and bruh, if you say if you call, because I was like, nah, bruh, these guys are not well. I lived in Liamakwa, often they call them tampon towers. Someone was like tampon towers.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

I'm like, oh UCT sucks.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

Uh okay, whatever. Brad, these oaks, how is it that deep? It's it's also like calling it uh uh uh a call uh harmonica, bro.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

I I would understand if it was some like I don't know the worst slurred. They take a set, they it's dumb. Bro, they tried to kill so so so. My mate, he's two meters tall. They're like him, and he's bargaining, bargaining.

SPEAKER_04 21:44

He runs, bruh. He runs, okay, and then they hunt him down, okay. Now I'd heard I subsequently heard stories, bruh. They catch you, they you up. There was like a story, they put a guy in a manhole and parked over it, uh, you know, the top. Over the manhole for like two days or something. Like bad, bro. So then eventually there was a police car coming. So like I'm waved down the police and I'm like, it's a race attack. It was, I mean, they would put killed whoever it was that said it. But it, you know, and the guys, the police is like, cool, let them go. And they're like, no, to the police until you got out the pepper spray. Bro, so I went back and I wrote then a scathing article about Stelli's prayer. You are I will lay it into them. But is in the UCT, this is early days of Facebook, bruh. And but it wasn't even done digitally. It was like someone took the physical copy to Stellenbosch and it got it exploded. I'm not lying, death threats. Max Price, the former vice chancellor, he once said to me, uh, he sent me all the emails he got from staff members at Stellenbosch calling that I be suspended. Guys were coming to Tiger Tiger in Claremont looking for me. Okay, big mistake. Big mistake, brother. That's my home turf, you know. But you don't want to rotate. I'm undefeated in Tiger Tiger, bro.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Snap tiger tiger. That tiger tiger is a level of city where you go like a tiger tiger that's next to adult world. That's it. That's it, bruh. It's a tiger tiger next to adult world, next to under.

SPEAKER_04 23:29

It's under it's above above, but so tiger tiger is above a bowling alley. It's above a bowling alley.

SPEAKER_01 23:35

And then there's another, there's another, I forgot the name of the Tin Roof. And then you go watch the white kids, you go watch the white kids and their one black friend at the engine hoolies there at 4 a.m. And you feel bad. You're like, yo, this is the level of drunk. This is bruh. This is these are the people who make a garage pie famous.

SPEAKER_04 24:00

Bruh, and I remember Tinroof. I said I was adamant, I'm like, I'm getting married in Tinroof. I'm getting, I love this place. Bruh, let me describe Tinroof. You walk in there and like there's somebody chanders on your shoulder, there's like broken glass on the floor, which someone stood on, and they're like gushing blood, there are people hooking up. Again, my immune system. So what I used to do, I'm 18, I don't know, money, 19. Yeah, yeah. I used to mind sweep drinks. Okay. And and like, you know, that's very dangerous too because it can be spiked, right? I was like bonus, bro. But bonus, right? Legit. And then there's one night where I think I because my whole thing, and I don't I don't want to undermine anyone's experiences of or like people who have been victims of being um spiked, but I know a lot of kids. It does happen, but I also know a lot of people who had 20 drinks, and then they're like, my drink spiked. And I'm like, was it your 21st or your 22nd drink? And what I do know, and I can say a lot of my mates who got super wasted, their parents are like, What's happening? And then they're like, Oh, my drink was spiked. I'm like, brother, just so so I never got spiked.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Because that's a dope, that's that that was a dope excuse to the parents. So dope. And people parents were worried about it. Didn't know you drink, or they didn't think like you have a problem. And I you could go home and be like, yo, I'm not like that. It's uh my drink got spiked.

SPEAKER_04 25:21

And I remember this one friend of mine going, oh, you know, my drink's been spiked three times. Okay, and and and and they like, you know, um, for me, there was only one time where I think I got spiked. And um, yeah, I just had a complete memory loss and uh uh woke up covered in blood. Yeah, but you know, you live by the sword, you you die. But but like, no, I don't want to undermine people's things, but for me it was it, that's how it was. But so tin roof used to go in there, and that was I thought that that was the zenith of sin. But then tiger tiger, this is where they trick you, bruh. You have to wear a college shirt, you have to wear like smart shoes. It's oaks now like driving the bounces and they can swap their sneakers.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

So you're like ready for the office on top, and then you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 26:12

You've got the like like uh like college.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Jeans and church shoes, yeah. You can catch all of this on thunder.com.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

Yes, the thunderfiles, the thunderfiles, bruh. I look back now and I'm like, dude, how did you survive that without like it was a day, it was a it was like a I would say outside of a war zone, one of the more reckless places that you can be, you know, and the things that happen in the I'm not gonna talk about what I did in the parking lot, but there was it was you know, and um all of it, all of it, all of it just all of it, just all of it, all of it.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

And but now do you uh you you like the survive like being the van welder of campus, and many, many years later, we've discussed this. You quit drinking. Yeah. What the hell?

SPEAKER_04 27:03

So it wasn't shame, and there's nothing I I you know, addiction is a problem because it it couldn't be like you were embarrassed because of something that you did.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

You had done it all. I'd done it all, bro. No, it was how how you do you arrive at a point where you're like ah so so I never I don't think I ever had a problem, right?

SPEAKER_04 27:20

Okay, and I was functional, bro. Like I never my excuse was like I never missed a day of work, right? Ever. Any project, I never drank, and like that's often you know, and what I would do is I would have like a bender. If I've got like a Monday commitment, like we're filming this, I'd I'd wake up not feeling great, put down three, four beers, go do the thing, just because I believed in the taper method, okay? So you send it Saturday, Sunday. I mean, I mean Friday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you have a couple beers, Monday you have a few for breakfast, Tuesday, like one or two, then then you've got Wednesday to Friday to achieve your life's goals, and then it begins again. So for me, I I was so look, as I say, I was I was quite a problematic dude. I I had like a lot of stuff I had to work out. Um, look, I've I've never denied that I grew up in a very privileged environment. Yeah, but like many families, there were there were issues growing up. You know, my parents were divorced, my mom really struggled with uh prescription addiction and alcoholism. So it just I knew that there the the there was some shit going on in my head, and it was almost like it's gonna come up.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

It's gonna come up at some point you were going to do stand-up comics.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so uh I started because I was I was reckless in my first few years and and and fighting and and like really uh you know uh making very risky things. It was actually like and I I called uh I called up a uh therapist and he said he's never got a call like that. I was just like, look, I'm either gonna end up in jail, dead, or something, you know. Like I I need to uh I need to sort stuff. And so I initially, and a lot of people, this I think is a problem with modern society. People want a silver bullet. So I went to the the first therapy session, and I'm like, right, what what mind exercises do you give me? And then I'm gonna, and he's like, it's not how it works, you know, it's a it's a gradual, it's a gradual progression, okay? And there's no and you you just start so I slowly started working out my issues, right? And so basically what happened, I think it was 20 2016 or something like that. I I was like, Yes, yeah, because um, you know, the more you start working out, because often people use substances as an escape, as a way of managing pain, as a way of finding confidence. So for me, it wasn't uh, and that's why it's never been hard to not drink, bro. I can take sniffer beer, doesn't it? It's not hard because basically I just say sniffer beer. Well, no, not not that. No, what I mean is like you you have. I'm sorry, guy. Like, you know, like you I can smell the odors, and it doesn't because you shame guys, bro. You have addicts who are like like and they can't be around people who are drinking, you know. Uh for me, it almost like I'd worked out the stuff in my head because very often I think this is the problem, people treat addiction as if it's like that's the problem itself, whereas very often it's actually there's underlying trauma, sadness, whatever it is, and you're just treating yourself, you're you're medicating yourself with probably an ineffective medication, you know. So for me, I was like, it doesn't make sense. And and so I took a month off of boozing, and then I felt, bruh, I felt so good. I lost weight, my skin people started complimenting me. I was like, I'm gonna push this to two. Then I did a hundred days, bruh, of sobriety. I didn't feel anxiety. Okay, I was like, I I because I used to midweek that for me, the drinking, the worst thing was just the I used to call it the Sunday Demons. The anxiety, bruh. I used to have like nightmares that that cart branch is gonna kick open my door and be like, we know what you did this weekend. Like, like, rock me up, bruh. And and that was my and then I was like, nah, late. I always used to think Derek Watts would walk into my flat, which would be covered in all sorts of booze, paraphernalia, and he's gonna go, like, oh, this is the worst I've seen. I'm retiring, you know. But so then I just didn't have anxiety, and then I did a hundred days, then the hundred and first day it was mid-December, Cape Town 7th. I was like, right, I'm back. This is and I partied for 10 days. I call it the 10-day war, okay? Bah, bah, Yonke me every day, bro. And uh, I woke up on day 10 or day 11, and I was just like, ah, I am this life is not for me. And I realized, bro, for me, it was more about like my career at that time. There was no Tully's diary, the Anton Taylor, the Anton Taylor show. That was five years without hearing anything. Um, there was you, you know, I hadn't finished my master's degree. And it's funny being Van Wilder, but after a while, it's like, dog, like you need to. And I was like, you can't be a serious person. You can't, if your life's not where you want it to be, you can't be lying on a Monday hung over while your friends are doctors and lawyers and stuff like that. So then I was just like, and I'm very glad that I had those 10 days. I actually wrote a letter to myself. I was like, dog, nothing has made you feel as bummed out as this 10 days. Like, I'd not felt depression, anxiety like that naturally, and not since. So then I was just like stopped. And then since then, what happens when you stop? And I want to, that's actually quite important for people who do stop these substance. You're used to these highs and lows, right? And and obviously you take away booze, drugs, whatever. You don't hit those highs, but for me, you also don't hit those lows. But so for a while, life seems a bit boring, right? Because you're used to the crazy target, target shit. And then what slowly happens is life just your baseline, which is is like it's like a bit boring. I was like, oh, my life's just gonna kind of suck. It just gets more exciting and and more fulfilling and day-to-day things, and then of course you start accomplishing that, you know, and like I very rapidly after stopping drinking, I had a crazy run where I was like, Tully's diary, finished my master's, got a job at super sport, like within six, it was like, dude, and then also I was like, because I said I and I own it, like I used to say stupid things, I used to be obnoxious. I was like, you've got so much going for you. The last thing you want is to drink and then ruin it all, you know. So for me, it just it just made sense, bro. But but I would say it's from the years of work that I did leading up to that, that that it was just so easy to just be like, ah, I'm I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 34:02

Yeah, I'm I'm thinking there's like some of our viewers that are uh are sitting in a position that you were in at some point, like you're thinking about quitting. By the way, there's nothing wrong with drinking, have fun. I do, it's delicious, but you sit in there and you're like, yo, I'm I'm I'm thinking about quitting. Yeah, what do you say? You know, so the biggest thing, bro, is is shame kills.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Okay, so people people always used to think, oh, if you humiliate someone enough, they're gonna they're gonna stop drinking. Bruh, the Mount of Sundays I woke up and I was like, Oh my god, and I hated myself. I hated myself, I couldn't look myself in the mirror, bro. Didn't do anything. The worse you feel, and this is what pro the problem is that people feel bad about themselves, so then they drink to treat that that that that guilt, and then it so I would just say, you know, the biggest thing honestly is be kind to yourself, right? You know, like a lot of people to go through a day without drinking is is is like an achievement, you know. And I would just say to work on the like there's a lot of things that you can do. It's not just the substance, you know what I mean? Um, and and look, I drinking doesn't work for me. There's nothing worse than a like, and I don't call myself sober. I'm I'm not drinking for now. I might one day if I want to ask I said when I've achieved all my goals, maybe what I've got to ask it out for now, yeah. Um and so the I think it's a great thing. Like you do it, jam jam parties. I and I'm so glad that I partied, bro. I got it out there, I did it. Now I can be like, ah, because for me it was starting to get boring. You know what I mean? That's the thing. When you're it's cool initially, but when you're in your 30s, you're like with a group of people and it's like 6 a.m. and you know, it's like the same old, same old. So I would just say my advice to people would be like, just be kind to yourself, bro. Like, don't feel because I promise you, hating yourself is not good. And I would start saying, do things that make you feel good, okay. Exercise. Mindfulness is cheap, okay. So it's not everyone has money for to go speak to someone and do therapy.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Oh, the app is the app is free. Yeah, the app is free. The mindfulness app is free. Exactly. I'll run the app and it's 10 minutes a day. Or you don't ask how I know. I don't ask those things.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

Or you just you just focus on your breath. You close your eyes and you try focus, and your mind will run. That kind of stuff. I found it really helps. And so I think the better you feel about yourself, the the and the more you can love yourself in a in a in a holistic, healthy way, I think the easier it is to let go because a lot of people get held back by the shame of who they were. And I say anybody who judges someone for the past, especially for dude, you're in pain, so you or you whatever it is, so you drink, you're a kid, you do stupid stuff.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Also, it's not weird to go out with your friends who drink and you're not drinking.

SPEAKER_04 36:55

No, it's it's really especially now with non-alcoholic beers. So a big thing when you stop is you want to I uh and there was nothing when I was so you want something in your hand, bro. Oh snack, you need something so you feel damn weird, and so I would drink uh sparkling water and coke zero, okay, and then like you know, yeah eventually now, bro. I just have a Hanukkah zero. That's my personal view. That's the what what I go for.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

And do you hit like six of those?

SPEAKER_04 37:22

Yeah, yeah, more like 12 zeros, bro. And it makes me there's something psychological going on. I have like two, three, and I'm like, ah, I feel oh for real. So it's breaking the habit. I remember the first time the the first time I went to a cricket match sober, I was like, oh, this is hard not having a mirror. Because there's like you've got into that habit of like I do this. So so I think for me, non-alcoholic drinks, look, there's apparently point point, something, something, something in it, but I mean it's it's not gonna affect you, but um, bruh, that's a great way I would say that's a great way to dribble the system, just get a zero, and no one's gonna, no one's gonna like. I mean, unless they're a real like lose, and and no one ever criticized me for stopping drinking apart from people who had very unhealthy relationships with alcohol and were, I would say, very mentally unhealthy people. My best friends who were heavy, heavy alcohol and drug users, were like, bruh, of course it's good for you to stop drinking, you know. So if any friend of yours is like, oh, why are you stopping drinking, bruh? That's what you're friend, bro. Like, no one can objectively say, no, you should be, you should be out there getting drunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

But you know, do you you like you're like South Africa's most bankable boy impersonator? Are you are you a boy impersonator or are you an actual boikey?

SPEAKER_04 38:48

I'm I'm I'm uh someone once said I'm a jock who became self-aware. Okay. So shit. My thing is that I think that you can love gymming, you can love sports, you can love uh, you know, watching fighting, you can love uh, you know, consensually. I'm I'm very happy, I'm engaged, obviously. I've been like, you know, but you can be uh uh pursue women in a respectful, you know, like good, healthy way. You know, there's but you can also be conscientious and you can be kind and you can be uh respectful and aware of people. And I think there's often people, I think sometimes earlier in my life, people thought that because I'm a jock, that means that it must mean that I'm a bully or I'm this or I'm that, you know. So a lot of the videos I do, the person I'm making fun of is myself.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Like, like so when you, for example, do a four-ways boy. Yes. What does it take to go there? Are you are you being you or I just have four?

SPEAKER_04 39:55

Or is it someone you know that's it's a part of me, it's a part of me, it's a part of it. I would say, like, that that and that's the joy of acting, bro. You get to play parts of yourself that that maybe you don't necessarily want in real life, or that's not appropriate. But I get I get to be a Jovic brother, brother. And I'm gonna say now, bro. My chain, my china, my chicks in that order, you know, glorify violence and and drugs, and I mean it's just so fun. But there's a part of me, and there was a time in my life where I'm like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

You you you play, I mean, in Josie Shaw, that there's uh Dean Shamley's uh production. You you you do like uh a Joey Boy G. Do you do a Cape Town Boy G as well?

SPEAKER_04 40:43

I've tried. I've tried with less than Keptoonians are like uh, I think definitely more like well, they like they're outwardly more gentle. Like they're I think a bit more worried about how people think they look. Um, and they're like very worried about the right brands, about being seen, having much hair. Um, and like some of them, like sometimes when I go into Clear Street, I'm like, it's like I'm like, are you real people? Like nothing wrong with like, I mean, people, someone's probably looking at me being like this, this motherfucker. But I think Cape Tonians are more like they say they're more chilled, but I don't think so. Like, I think butts are what I love about Joe Burg Butts. Okay, friendliest people, not honestly the warmest, not scary people. If you cross them, yes, if you disrespect them, if you maybe look at their girlfriend for longer than two seconds, then the problem then they'll kill you. You know, like you're gonna get taken to a parking lot, and and maybe some bounces are gonna like you know, it's gonna end. You know, you'll be in emergencia dab. But you know, but but but they're also very transparent. Cape Tonians are known for being clicky. Um, so I obviously I I love Cape Tonians, but they're they're a bit harder to to pin down. I are you are you Cape Tonian? I'm Cape Tonian. I'm through a ball. My spirit, I think, is Joe Burg. I was born there, okay, and people often say to me, We thought you're from Joburg. I'm not sure if that's an accent thing or an energy. Uh a comedian came up to me and said, No, you've got more of a like a Joburg pop to you or something. Um but but I grew up since we we lived in Umpumalanga until I was about three, and then uh sorry about that. No, no, I was I can actually speak Tonga. Shit. Oh, bro, wobble wobble. But no, I forgot it all.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

I've got it literally can you as a little bit, yeah, yeah. But even with Africans, I forgot majority.

SPEAKER_04 42:41

Right, no, I and it was a pity. So then we grew up in Cape Town, lived in the southern suburbs my whole life. So I'm Antonian, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

How does how does being a conscientious boy tee show up in real life? And I and I guess I'm I'm trying to lead into your posts online, yeah. You know, with regards to the school that you went to, bishops.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

Well, I think for me, I think it's very cool when you can see people having different ways of being, right? And so what I try like to think is that maybe there's some young boy cheese who go, you know what? Yeah, I love these things, and I think that this dude's a dope guy. You know, I I was asked to to attend a first team rugby thing, you know, by the boys. So point being, I think I have a rapport and connection with with like young men, right? And so that's the I think some of the older guys, but and particularly those guys don't like me. I think their brains are already wired, whatever they but I like saying, bruh, be this kind of character of being a boy, doesn't have to come with all the negative baggage that it often has. You know, and maybe I think when I left school, I did have that negative, like toxic, toxic kind. Of stuff, so so I think that it's cool to show people. I don't have to because there's often you're presented as a binary, like you know, people are like, Oh, you know, it's like it's it's it's lame to care about people. No, but I like and I always maintain if you're a truly strong man, right? And and and if we want to, I don't know what masculinity is, but it's about being caring of other people, and particularly like one thing I've known about myself is I'm incredibly privileged. And I went to a very privileged school, and I believe that part of the justification for the elite private schools we have in South Africa, which are so expensive in a country with such inequality and such poverty, is that you got to then use that pre you've got to use that power and that privilege that you've been given to contribute to society, bruh. So so I like my favorite thing is getting a message from like a Matrik Boyce, a first team player, yeah, you know, who's like, yeah, bro, like it's pretty dope, you know. And so I like to think that it it shows people that there's a way to to hold both these things.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

I want to take it back a little bit for for our viewers who who might not know what what we're talking about. We're talking about an incident where the old boys, you know when a school has the old boys, you know when we're going like your school has the old boys, you know that's gonna be problematic, but the pro the old boys have a problem with the school flying a pride for two days.

SPEAKER_04 45:33

Yeah, so I'll give you a recap. So there basically um there has been, I believe, a cr a white right wing uh all boys committee. Now the problem is nothing wrong with being an old boy. I used to be the most, you know, boity old boy. The problem is it's when the guys often who peaked in school, and now Bishops has an all-boys committee who are trying to control the school, okay, and they've been bugging the council, and it's their job to just organize bloody reunions. Stay in your corner. They're now trying to make the school, they're trying to, they're doing all sorts. But a quick recap in summary, the Bishops All Boys Union sent out a letter to all all boys and said, we have instructed or demanded to the the Bishop's School Council that they uh write a flag policy, but they specifically targeted the pride flag. So bishops flies about 11 flags a year, a dozen flags, and it's like um GBV awareness, cancer, world's AIDS days, okay. And then one of the one of the flags for two days, right? Or maybe three. Okay, whatever, maybe three days is the pride flag. Let's give it a week. Bruh. Let's give it a week. You know, I'll tell you what happened when this popped up. And the letter specifically, they didn't say, oh, we have problems. They said the problem we have, they mentioned the pride flag. So now they're claiming they're backtracking. They're like, oh no, we just want a policy. Firstly, you're not involved in running in the school. Okay, organize a f drinks read. So the beef is not, to be clear, the beef is not the school.

SPEAKER_01 47:07

The school is fine. Bruh, I love it. The problem is the one.

SPEAKER_04 47:10

And I want to say on camera again, I'm very happy with the school. And I like I'm I I just hear great stories about it. It's a it's like, bruh, you know the the worst old boys. Yeah. Old disenfranchised life hasn't worked out for them. Bruh, none of these guys are, I'm telling you, running Fortune 500 companies, okay? It's like I think it's a group of older men, their lives didn't work out as they want. They feel disenfranchised, and the they want to create this, like, this image of the world in their in their and most of these guys, I'm afraid to say sorry, bro. They studied during apartheid, okay? And and I think they really struggle with a world and a country and a society that looks very different to when they were at school, and they're trying to now recreate it. So they specifically targeted the pride thing, and I saw this, but like, and and then I just basically was like, I want nothing to do with this because my issue is they signed it in the name of every bishop's old boy, yeah. And I'm telling you, and this is why I'm one of the reasons I believe this, bruh. Bishop's old boys, like a lot of them just don't like they don't care. But point being, they don't have a problem with the pride flag, okay. Do you do you have support though? Massive, massive. Like when I think about the rats and mice that have criticized me, okay, it's like lowest common denominator human. When I think about the people that have reached out to me, and I'm not going to mention names, but I've had very high-profile, very successful uh bishops or boys, as well as just South African figures. When I think about the people who are supporting me versus the people who have a problem, but numerically I know that this doesn't represent the spirit of the school. So that's why I'm like, I I wouldn't would like the committee to just to hold elections for a new committee. And that that is gonna be something that we we work towards because this doesn't represent our school, and I truly believe that Bishops is a better place. It just happens to be you've got a bunch of old, angry men. There's like one or two young, uh kind of like Timu Charlie Kirk kind of insoles. Um, but and and yeah, I I honestly can't tell you something, bro. This is my thing. Guys who are homophobic, I'm telling you, it's because they've got some complicated thoughts about whether or not they would they would take okay.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

You also mentioned that that this I I don't know what it's called, but this is a it's a church school. It's a Anglican, it's a dictionary. As we know, the the Anglicans have always been down with the pride, right? Bruh, so so so these idiots, these idiots, so I I imagine that's why people would leave the Catholic Church and go, I mean, let's go ahead and the Anglican Church.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

I look I'm I'm speaking with, but out of you know, out of all the particularly the Christian faiths, as far as I know, the Anglican Church is recognized for its its accepted left wing. Well they're not bro, they're just they kind of just like just accepting they accept gay people as human beings. But but uh, you know, down the street in Wales Street St. George's, which is the Cape Town Archbishop that's not good to the church. There's a pride flag 24 247 365, okay? So you have these guys who are like, we're in Anglican school, and then it's like, yeah, well, the Anglican church does it every every single day. And then they're like, so these idiots are like trying to appeal to the church whilst ignoring the church's example. Yes. And then now then they start, I've seen some counter-arguments like, oh, well, the Anglican church is is is weak. Or I'm like, Brian, find a new religion, go to some far right, you know, like, but the Anglican church is about acceptance. And I had a high-profile Christian come up to me the other day and he said, I'm a Christian, and that tells me, you know, that love thy neighbor, you know, do not, you know, he is who who is without sin, cast the first stone. Yes. So so I'm like, yeah, bruh, it's it's in line with the school. And um I think it's what I said initially, it started off in my WhatsApp group, bruh. I saw some hate and and I was so angry, bruh. And so I just messaged and I said, firstly, I think, and I'll say this to camera, I think banging a man is one of the most manly things you can do. And secondly, I was like, Bishop's boys and all all boys' schools have a long history of guys hooking up with each other behind the cricket sheds and the showers. And I said, Brian, we we all know, we all know this has been going on for years. I said, we should hang that pride flag above our entrance, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

Do you think it's a culture of all boys' schools or privileged schools or multiracial schools? That the it comes with like some toxicity.

SPEAKER_04 52:25

Oh, hundred percent. 100% dude. Yeah, it's some oh like the most toxic people, and like look, I the bishops is I don't know if it's Martha still is it in inspires individuals and it creates some remarkable people, but when it creates a okay, it creates a listen. My vibe is Okay, when it creates an unpleasant person, when it creates an unpleasant person, it makes the best, it makes it makes the most unpleasant person, the most bitter person, the most, the most, you know, bigoted person.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

Dude, I went to an Africans high school. It was it was it was cheap as hell, it was government high school. We were the first bad, and it's not I think we all came out of there with some level of asshole, yeah. Right, like 100%. You know what I mean? Like you go to LO and then you're like you come there with this chip. Like I think, I think it's built in the schools, yeah. And then you go, what do we do to break that thing down? Like, I think like the racism, the the texing masculinity, the thing that's built at the schools in the in the gym class.

SPEAKER_04 53:51

It's bad, bruh. You know that that's why the whole thing is, you know, people because now these idiots have been like you're bringing the school into disrepute, bruh. Schools, they have a thing where they sweep things under the under the carpet, bruh. Guys from my year, yeah, in my generation, and I know guys, the the the homophobia was horrendous. Yeah, okay. We had teachers who were who were known creeps, but the school doesn't want to issue, okay. The racism, bruh. Yeah, bruh. It was it I don't know where it is now, but it's built into the schools. And I don't know if it comes from the parents. I know I remember there was an incident where it was a teacher who kept on calling the the they she had two or three students of color, okay, in her class. Yeah, and she kept on calling them by the wrong names for like the entire year. It was the and and you go, How how do you fix someone like that? And I'm afraid to say there needs to be a generational shift, in my opinion. Yes, you know, and I think if you work in a South African school, you need to know how to pronounce South African names.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

Also, I also it's difficult for the kids because you you're young, you don't know what the hell is going on. Exactly. Like when you're young, you you don't know what the hell is going on, and you don't want to live with the thing of being targeted by the teachers.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

And I think the problem is kindness is seen as weakness. Okay, that's the big problem. It's not, and that's why I hope that young oaks see me maybe and go, oh, it's cool to be a cool dude, if I can, you know, cool, whatever, a boycchi. Let's say it's maybe that's a better way to say it. It's cool to be a boycchi, but it's cool to then look after the small guy and not bully because that that's what this issue is. It's about bullying a minority that uh I think we do still owe a sign of respect and recognition and safety to in today's world.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

Quick one is there's space for single sex schools in 2026. I'm thinking, and I'm not I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm coming from is it is it necessary? Like I'm it's a big, it's a very good question.

SPEAKER_04 56:02

Look, I won't lie, I I didn't know how to talk to girls for the first couple of years after leaving school. Yeah, uh, I didn't know how to just be not weird with them because the only times I saw girls were at house parties and then it's all about hooking up. So, so so you don't learn to just be chilled, right? I would imagine that there's probably some quite interesting studies about what academic results are done because I I've heard that sometimes uh there can be like mixed classrooms can affect academic results or performance. I have no idea. I think that I think there is a place, something I enjoyed. I had terrible acne at school. Uh I had braces for a period, and so it was very nice not worrying about um what I look like and uh not worrying about that aspect of girls. I don't I don't know if I would have been distracted. I think there is a place for them, but I think there really needs to be a strong focus, and I do believe the headmaster of bishops has made this a priority of molding those young men in the right direction. You know, that's the thing in that we I think your question is very good, one and it's like, yeah, if we're accepting it, that's fine, but we need to then be very active in how we make sure that these young men don't become toxic monsters.

SPEAKER_01 57:25

As a conscientious boy, do you do you are you are you more white guy vibes? Do you self yourself more leaning towards in comparison bears no deer, Carl Nihouse, or Ruth Mayer? I'll give you J something from Mikasa as well.

SPEAKER_04 57:53

No, I'm not claiming J J something. He he speaks really right, I think. Yeah, I can speak a bit closer. Um Jay Somming is more an entertainer. I'm trying to think. You know what is a big problem in South Africa? Yeah, yeah. White representation, bro. We have some mediocre whites. You don't have you don't have outside of rugby, bro. Like, we have some bottom of the barrel whites.

SPEAKER_01 58:16

I saw you do like a mediocre whites. Yeah, you guys and you and Jam Jeb did like the best white.

SPEAKER_04 58:23

We've got Johnny Johnny Clegg, okay. He's long gone. Uh uh. Bro, like like white.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

You ended up going with Helen Zilla at some point.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

I forgot what no no no no. I said she's the most notable, like uh and I'd said on the map white politician. It wasn't it wasn't like best, you know, I think during the part look, she apparently has some great great apartheid credentials, but it was more like she's at the like she's had the biggest effect, I think, in democratic South Africa. Bruh, but when you see some of the mediocre white men, that's the thing, that is the problem, bro. You the guys we often see these, and they're often conservative white men, and they're preaching and they're like saying this, and I'm like, bruh, this is not, this is not who we are, you know, like the right-wing white podcaster bros in South Africa. Oh and then I get embarrassed, bruh. There was a a prominent white figure who's often been caught like just problematic, and and he was cancelled.

SPEAKER_01 59:23

And I was talking about John Stianazen. No, no, no, no, no, talk about Stier Nazen, call him out by his name. I don't think he's problematic. I know he's he's left the job. Yeah, I think he's he's he's annoying, but uh we can mess with John because John's cool.

SPEAKER_04 59:38

Yeah, I've heard he's uh Jam Jam says he's quite a dope dude. Um I um so this dude got cancelled, and I was at a funeral of a of a black school friend, and I was the only white dude. And I was chatting and I was like, guys, you need to understand he doesn't he doesn't represent us. And then they were like, Well, who does? Who does? Like, who's who's the voice? Who is the conscientious voice of white South Africa, bruh? And I'm like, look, we got some dope rugby players, spring box, but I don't know if there's and then we got like Christopher Pampas and Jordan.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's weird that the only dudes I'm coming up with is DA. DA guys. So you you you're doing you're doing a very cool comedy tour with Jam Jam. Yes, bruh. It's been comedians of national unity.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:24

That is dope, bruh. It's been the the greatest intervention of my life. Like uh Jam Jam got me into it. I I tried comedy 13 years ago. I uh I bombed, which is part of part of doing comedy. It's part of the thing, I was like, I'm not strong enough for it. And because of Jam Jam, I've had a very uh soft launch into comedy in terms of a lot of people have to struggle for years. Our first show sold out in a week.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

Umisi showed up at your show. I mean, he blessed us.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:52

I mean it's a dream. Bruh, and it it couldn't, and I truly think it is a celebration of South African comedy, you know. So Jam Jam and I perform, but then we have guests, you know. So I think we had a colored Muslim South African, we had a Congolese South African is he's killing the country. Yes, yes. We gotta check because he's illegal. We gotta check.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:20

Is he taking other comics jobs? What is going on? Yeah, you are you I know you got you got in some trouble, Prince Zimbaya.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:29

Prince Zimbaya or was it? Uh Prince Ba it was. Uh the Prince Bayer, I think it was Prince. It was Nathan Kalala, but Prince was was also on the Oh I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

We we mess with Prince and Bayer.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:39

No, no, I don't know. I saw how angry that guy got with you in that viral clip where he like was spitting and foaming. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Shout out that guy. I mean, my man is my man is clearly passionate.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

He's not lacking passion, he might be lacking a few other things, but um, but so we're on this comedy tour, and um, you know, we we had a cosa uh host, and so it was a real representation of South Africa, you know, and I was really happy about how diverse our crowd was. And so we actually on Sunday, the 1st of August, not sure when this will come out, or Saturday, the 1st of August, we're performing in Joburg, Capital on the Park in Santon. Beautiful room, bruh. And it's like I was so proud, that was one of the best nights of my life, bruh. And I was so proud of our kind, like you I left that being like our country, bruh. And humor is the best tool. And I actually said, because obviously when Sia blessed us, I said to my fiance, I was like, look, I've heard that having children is the best day of your life. So that means that there's still something in my life that will be better than than than this. And she was like, I don't think anything will compare to Syracuse.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

Also, you've got a tour. Like, I'm I want to get to your tour before before before before we uh we wrap up. You've got a tour. What what are the days? I know you've got London. Yeah, so it's to the fly.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:58

I know you guys have a big audience. So so thank you for giving me the time. So it's Joburg, 1st of August, then we go, we're going to um the the United Kingdom. So we're going London. Uh, I think it's 24th, 25th of September, and then 26th, we're doing Dublin. Right. So for those, uh, for those South Africans in uh Europe and and the UK, please pull through. It's gonna be very, very fun. We're already 20% sold out for both of our uh London nights. So you wanna you wanna get going? And then in uh 25th and 26th, I think, of November, we're performing back in Cape Town at the Home Council. I think I'm I'm on that. I hope so. I think I'm on that. I hope so. I hope so.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Yeah, that's that's that's it's dope. Shout out, Brian. Thank you, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:43

It's been I uh it's been the most rewarding and fulfilling venture uh that I've done in an in a long time.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:49

Yeah, big respect. This was a dope interview. Thank you for coming.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:53

Thank you so much, and it's a good thing there was a time limit because I I could have spoken for six. We could have gone on, like Joe, we had fun, and I want to give you a shout out for letting me relive those those party days. Big respect. And uh, you know, to any right-wing podcasters, don't take it too deep. Uh, I was just feeling touched because you guys have been cooking me for the past two weeks. But um, no, I just want to say thank you to the work you guys do. It's very important, very, very important to be in this room with this team and uh and to be even aligned and welcomed by somebody in a group that I respect so much is honestly that's like I was saying, when I look at the people who are in my corner, it it uh sustains me and gives me great strength. So thank you for for endorsing me, bro. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

Shout out, friend of the show, Anton Taylor. We've worked together, we've done with Magamba TV, Climate. We we've done uh a short thing after you got raided. We didn't even get to where you got raided by the national intelligence or something. We'll have you. We will have you again. I hope so. Shout out, sir. All love Anton Taylor, comrades.