Cops, Criminals, and Christ
"Cops, Criminals & Christ" is a podcast delving into the intertwining worlds of law enforcement, crime, and faith. With Dale Sutherland, a former narcotics Sergeant turned pastor, it features gripping narratives and candid interviews exploring behind-the-scenes work of life undercover, as well as the transformative power of faith in the lives of both cops and criminals. Tune in for compelling insights and real-life stories that challenge, inspire, and reveal God’s grace available through it all, at the hands of its host and Dale’s daughter, Kristen Crew.
Cops, Criminals, and Christ
A Navy SEAL and Undercover Cop on TBI, PTSD, Healing, and Faith
Navy SEAL, Todd Peters, and The Undercover Pastor, Dale Sutherland talk candidly about TBI, PTS, suicide risk, HBOT, and the plan to launch Rally Points to help others heal. This episode covers:
• choosing spiritual impact over tactical careers
• Stronghold Alliance mission and model
• chronic migraines and HBOT breakthrough
• treating TBI and PTS without stigma
• the invisible wound and family fallout
• Rally Points as weekly brotherhood
• training facilitators and partnering churches
• credible access to military and law enforcement
• funding treatment packages and scaling goals
• stories of lives changed and sustained hope
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Welcome to the Cops, Criminals, and Christ podcast. Let's dive in. So all this stuff you did was to save people, and then now you're giving your life to save souls. Uh it's a weird thing. You you you physically you saved lives, certainly doing what you're doing. Um, and then also spiritually, since you've saved lives. And I've asked you a hundred times. I've said, because I miss the police department. I can tell you right now, I miss the police department. I love being the pastor and all that, but I miss being being the police. Um and I've asked you, and and you've been um and you have options to go and do different things. You've been asked to do contract things and so on. So you could still do some SEAL stuff if you wanted, but you've said no, that you want to focus on the ministry. Why? What is the difference? You know, you've done both, like I say, save physical lives, save spiritual lives. Why have you chosen to save spiritual lives, save the hearts of individuals, save souls, you know, now?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think one, you know, to clarify, like you and I both know, like it's God that does the saving, and we're the vessels, right? That he has and what a privilege that he works in and through us, like a bunch of knuckleheads. Yes. And that really is to confound the wisdom of men, right? Like, is like, wow, like he can work through Dell and Todd. But I think to me, it's just again, it's physical lives, like, even if you save someone physically, if they don't know the Lord, what's the point? Right? And so we're extending their life. Hopefully, they'll hear the gospel and respond to it. But to me, like the spiritual ramifications, like it's a different battlefield and bigger consequences, like we were talking about. And I just, I don't know, like this is what I get excited about. Like when I wake up every day, I'm like, I have another opportunity to represent the Lord. I ideally, you know, I do it well, but there's times I don't do it. Sure. Um, near as good as uh I should, but that's the passion in my heart. Like Acts 20, 24 is a verse that's just ingrained in my heart, and it's just this ideal that I want to finish the mission that the Lord has given me. And that's to testify about the gospel, the good news. And because if anything, I paraphrase it this way: I'm a beggar who's found the bread, I'm just showing other beggars where the bread's at.
SPEAKER_00:Now you want to do this so bad that you want to now leave being a regular pastor in a church, and you want to launch this new ministry, which you've really started some already. And what's the goal? Uh, the the overall goal uh of this new ministry, this next phase of your life. Uh, you're gonna commit to doing what? What's the name of the ministry? Just give us a rough idea. What's your spiritual thinking about doing this? Your motivation.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So Stronghold Alliance is the name of the ministry, and it's really a byproduct of something I received. And so hyperbaric oxygen treatment is something that helped me. You talked about earlier, you know, we talked about compassion and all these other great things. But for me, you know, like many men, my answer to suffering was here's a can of suck it up, deal with it. And then God gave me chronic migraines through all the blasts, through all the concussions. And I had chronic migraines for 13 years that were so severe, 36 hours on, eight hours off, like clockwork. The end of the 13th year, I was suicidal. I never thought I'd be that guy. I mean, I was a pastor, I had a wife, I had kids, I had grandkids, had a church to care for. I was in so much pain, I didn't want to play anymore.
SPEAKER_00:And what did you what what were some of the things they were doing to try to manage these the shots?
SPEAKER_01:And you've tried Yeah, I've tried everything and nothing was working for me personally. And Hung Cao is a really good buddy of mine. He's now currently the undersecretary of the Navy, and he was just like, dude, like, you need to get in a chamber, go get help. So eventually, uh, what really was the catalyst, I had a good friend, Master Chief on the West Coast, who I was a Buds instructor with. Uh his name was Mark, and he took his life. He was a Christian, he was a grandfather, great guy, shocking. I was like, Well, if Mark could take his life, anybody could. So I was all right, I need to go get help. And so um went and uh wonderful lady named Debbie Lee, she provided the funding for me to get treated. I got to get brain scans before and after to see how messed up my brain was. It was really good for my wife to see that. And then I did 40 dives, and so a dive in a chamber is dry, it's pressurized oxygen you breathe. So I got to do that, spent an hour at death, breathing oxygen, come up, about an hour and a half total time. And it is a time commitment. I mean, it's eight weeks, Monday through Friday for eight weeks. But the difference was phenomenal. Now, thankfully, I had friends tell me about the first 10 dives and saying, like, you're gonna have some of the worst migraines you've ever had. Don't quit, don't give up. And it was like a light switch. The migraines got further apart, the intensity decreased, and over the end of the month, like I was getting only one or two a month instead of every 36 hours and eight hours off. It was life-changing. And so as I stood on that, as I continued to meet and hear stories about men and women that are taking their lives from TBI, traumatic brain injury, I was like, I want to do something about it because even while I was on vacation here recently, two more teammates of mine took their lives. And so this problem's not going away. There's multiple reasons why people take their lives. But specifically, this ministry is going to target those who have TBI and PTS. We kind of dropped the D from that because you know, one of the worst days I ever had overseas was putting children in their parts in body bags from a plane crash. That's not a disorder if that bothers you. It means you have a soul, right? You know, first responders, they see some hard things, firemen, policemen, and that should bother you. So it's it's PTS, post-traumatic stress. So a chamber is really good at treating brain injuries and PTS. Oh, is that right? Both. It's phenomenal. And so I want to fundraise to get people treatment so that they can also get a new lease on life. And then I also, as I meet that physical need, I want to introduce them to the gospel. And that's the rally point, these weekly gatherings where we have a devotion plan around the word, but really it's just to care for people to help them connect and then give them courage to take the next right steps, both physically and spiritually. And so that's the ideal of the ministry.
SPEAKER_00:So if you if you started, if you were explaining the ministry, uh, first of all, uh just from your own life with SEALs and uh your own teammates and everything, um, what's been the effect of war on their families, on themselves, um, and uh just to give us an idea what's the problem you're trying to solve, you know, what what has it been like for them post-war, post-uh-combat?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so they call TBI an invisible wound. You can't see it, right? Like I have buddies that have legs missing, arms missing. Yeah, you can see that and go, man, thanks for your service, and you know, I feel sorry for you and all that. They don't want your pity. But you it's at least visible for those who've had head injuries from breaching doors, thousands of doors, you know, those blasts, certain weapon systems which breaching a door is what? Blowing up a door, you know, to actually.
SPEAKER_00:So when you would force a door in, you would use an explosion to open the door.
SPEAKER_01:Correct. And that's a concussion. Uh-huh. You know, concussive blast when you do it.
SPEAKER_00:How close are you to the standing right by it?
SPEAKER_01:Standing right by it as it blows. Boom, and then you go. Because you gotta be right there. You do. And so, you know, that's just one example, you know, so many parachute landing falls, you know, every time you land, like those are microconcussions. They all add up over time. Going through a windshield apparently gives you a concussion, you know. And uh so all these different things that you experience in your life, uh, it adds up. Now, today they actually have mechanisms in place where they scan brains before and after deployments. They'll medically retire you before you get as bad as me or others. So they don't want you to go down that road of 600 concussions like I was diagnosed with, you know, where they're like, at the end of the day, the formula is 600 concussions, and we know like one or two could be life altering. Really? I had a five-page report from the neurologist that showed all the different things that I could be experiencing, you know, from addiction to you name it, right? And so it was a matter of fact, the the chief neurologist at Walter Reed, she was like, You shouldn't be able to drive, speak, and I can't even believe you found this appointment. Like your brain is messed up. That's not what you want to hear, but you also realize God's taking really good care of you, and that you didn't get pinned into addiction and you don't have the extreme anger like some. And so when you ask the question, well, these people uh they experience isolation a lot of times, yeah. Uh especially when they get out, like we both alluded to that brotherhood. We miss that. A lot of them, if they don't have purpose when they get out, yeah, they get isolated. And there is, I mean, even my wife at one time, she was like, I feel like you know, you're suffering so much. Like, should I get you a bottle of whiskey? And it's just so you can drink yourself, you know, into a stupor. And again, she meant that out of love, but she was like, I don't know what to do. Like, yeah, I see you groaning in bed. And so a lot of them do self-medicate, and it goes more serious than booze, right? They start getting mixed up with drugs and other stuff, and then of course you're not gonna make good decisions when you're liquored up or stoned. And so, and then it causes stress on the marriage, you know, and then of course you're not gonna be the best parent you're gonna be in those situations, and they just further isolate. So instead of getting in community and having people pick them up, they ignore the phone calls and they just go deeper into that spiral. And really, it's a nosedive that they can't pull out on their own. And so, what's helped a lot of guys is actually really godly spouses grab them and say, I'm gonna get you help. They do the research, they find solutions, and so there's still men and women out there that are like that. And so the goal of this ministry is to help people pull out of that nosedive and that suffering and pain. And so, and I care about them deeply. And again, like the stats swing from 17 to 24 a day, veterans take their lives. You know, first responders, firemen are taking their lives at an enormous rate, too. Uh, but at the end of the day, I care about both those communities, and I realize this is one thing that can help them get better is to heal their brain.
SPEAKER_00:So you've got the chamber, but then you're also helping guys another way. What's this rally point you were talking about?
SPEAKER_01:So, rally points are a weekly gathering, and what I've learned is that even like I had a guy recently, he just kind of put his finger on the desk. He's an amputee, uh deployed multiple times after he got his prosthetic leg, like a hard charger, and he said, This is what I was missing. He said, Church is good for me, but I miss this brotherhood where I can be real because church isn't ready for what I need to talk about.
SPEAKER_00:So, what is the rally point then? What is he like about it? What is it?
SPEAKER_01:So it's a community of people that are like-minded, and not everybody is a hard charger, door kicker. You know, some people uh they're first responder, they haven't experienced anything yet, but they're out there serving. Some of them had admin roles in the military, but they're all present, and what's neat is that they can just come clean. I have a devotion planned every week, and so the devotion centered on God's word. But the first few minutes, 30 minutes sometimes, even last night, uh, it's just kind of coking and joking and telling sea stories, you know, just telling about moments when you almost died. And because again, like we talked about failure, yeah, we talked about nobody ever recalls the ops that went perfect and nothing happened. We all talk about the times where we almost died, where things went wrong. And the idea is that you can learn from failure. And I was reminding them, I think one of our biggest hangups emotionally is that we forget we're human. Yeah, like we can't do everything on our own. We're designed for community. I mean, the Bible, how many times? 59 one another's in the New Testament, and you can't do the one another's alone.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_01:If I could find the verse that said, Thou shalt fly fish in Alaska by yourself, yeah, I'd be obeying that verse. Yeah, it's not in scripture. Right. We're supposed to do life together. And I and of course, you know, how's the devil hunt? You know, 1 Peter. 1 Peter is like, he wants to isolate us and he wants to devour us and he wants to kill us, right? And so people are foolish if they think they can do it on their own. And so that's the rally point. It's a place to rally, it's a place to connect, a place to be cared for, like no judgment, and a place to give courage.
SPEAKER_00:And you hope you're doing one now and you're hoping to launch those all across the United States. I am.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:What's your goal? How many do you hope you can launch? And are you finding it that you can train other pastors to do it? You don't have to physically be there in order to run a rally point.
SPEAKER_01:No. Matter of fact, the the goal is to get more pastors together, and they don't even have to lead it. Ideally, they have a man or woman who is from the veteran community or a first responder. Yeah, I teach them how to facilitate it right and they lead it. And again, the church takes care of the snacks and you know the drinks and all that stuff. Yeah. Kind of a standalone thing. I provide the devotions, it's plug and play.
SPEAKER_00:So you'd write, you write you'll write devotions, you'll help them to be focused, you'll train the leaders. Yep. And they can be hosted mostly in churches, but they could be anywhere. Could be anywhere. And these are rally points. So where you you you can reach thousands of uh uh retired or current soldiers or military or uh or law enforcement or fire, you can reach all those guys through these rally points, and then through those, that's gonna lead you to more that need the chambers and hopefully identify them and eventually be able to get them access, these those with TPIs, access to the chamber as well.
SPEAKER_01:That's right. And then along the way, it's really also acquiring the donors, people that I mean, people have a great soft spot in their heart for veterans and first responders. Yeah, and it's not that much money, you know. So every man and woman, if they chip in, like we can get people treatment that gives a long-term solution to their physical problem that ultimately will lead to the the actual cure, which is a spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_00:Now let me ask you this one last thing to just clarify. In the ministry, you also we've talked about you helping military families in crisis, like there's an immediate help for them, then there's the rally point, which is a weekly thing, and then there's the chamber, which is uh like a lifelong change uh thing. Uh so at the front end with the crisis, how can you help a military family uh that's in crisis? And how would you know about them?
SPEAKER_01:It's a good question. So I think it it's relationships, you know, specifically where you and I live in the DMV area. So it's knowing, you know, the people that vet all those forests at Walter Reed or Fort Belvoir or in the community, maybe the Pentagon even, they have representation and we hear about a need and we meet that need. Now, it may be something as simple as a family as just, you know, government shutdowns currently going on, and they can't, they just had a baby and they can't afford a car seat. They can't take their baby home because they don't have a car seat. We can buy them a car seat.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it's just showing up and meeting those needs. It could be something uh to help them get off, you know, like there's an addiction and they need a special treatment, and it actually requires some cash. Like we can meet that immediate need, and it shows them, hey, somebody cares about us. And so the list is exhaustive as far as what the needs could be. The point is to show up immediately in those first 24 or 48 hours, meet the need and say, hey, we care about you. There's someone actually who cares about you. And then I think that provides that spark of hope. And then from there, uh, prayerfully, you develop a relationship and you get them plugged into a church. Because you and I know like you can meet physical needs all day long. Government tries to do that. That's not the ultimate solution.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so in these crises, you could go share the gospel and meet a physical need quickly and then invite them into a longer-term thing. Hopefully, the rally points you can invite them to yours or to set them up all around.
SPEAKER_01:Set them up wherever. Yeah, there's no pride in it. Praise the Lord.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you you uh um you're excited about this. I'm way excited.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, just because I've already seen four individuals not take their lives from the actual rally point out of the way.
SPEAKER_00:Just doing this part-time, so that's why you gotta do it full-time. You you've you've been helping part-time, but now it's time to go and commit your whole life to this, really.
SPEAKER_01:It is, and I think another, you know, how God uses people. I mean, he uses his word, prayer, other people, and preaching from the pulpit. Greg Steer is a good friend of ours, and he for years has been pestering me saying, No offense, Todd, like I think you're a light bulb and you're a good light bulb as a pastor. I think God's calling you to be a laser. Yeah, and he specifically means like reaching military and law enforcement, yeah, that world, because it's challenging, like for the average pastor, they're not gonna give them time to listen. But because I'm kind of fluent in that world, I recognize, and you taught me this, like you need to recognize the platform God's given you, yeah, and you need to use it. Yeah, and so that's that's what I'm gonna do. Well, praise the Lord.
SPEAKER_00:And I know probably one of the hardest parts for you will be talking about and uh realizing how people see you because uh what makes you so skilled at this is God. You know, you can think of every time you pulled the trigger, every time you got shot at, God was just making you into this force for for Christ that uh others couldn't do. Uh, I could not, uh you gain a certain respect as you deserve, and and the Bible does say uh Paul talked about one of the guys serving with him, and he says, such men deserve recognition. And I would say there is a time. We're we're humble in our in our nature, prayerfully, Lord help us to be humble, but our nature is not to applaud and you know, lot each other. But in this case, I think what God's done is make you into a hero. I don't think you're a hero on your own. I think he's made you into a hero, and then he's gonna use you and use that heroic life you've lived to really change other heroes' lives for eternity. And so let me pray for you. I'm gonna pray the Lord uses this strong old alliance to change the world really and uh and to rescue souls physically, those with with uh brain injury, and then also spiritually, that thousands of thousands will be in heaven as a result of you making this brave step because you don't have a salary, you're starting out totally on faith. Everything is dependent on God uh having people being willing to give to help you. Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's it. That's true.
SPEAKER_01:And it's scary. Scary. Just like when you call me in a youth ministry. Yeah, like um, that's not the same salary as out of the channel.
SPEAKER_00:$300,000 or something. That was a good chunk of change. And now you're in a good church with a stable salary and good benefits, and they're wonderful people and everything, but now you're gonna step out there just like you used to as a seal, really. You're jumping in the water, aren't you? I mean, and there's hammerheads out there because at our age, you you know, it's not like we can go get 50 jobs. Uh you can't re-enlist.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's true. It won't take it.
SPEAKER_00:It won't take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Apparently, you can't be a seal and have a walker.
SPEAKER_00:It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's discriminatory, is what it is. I know. So uh as you get ready to make this big step of faith, you've been a pastor, you've been a seal. Now it's time to go out there and change lives uh in your own community in a way you haven't been able to because you'll be fully dedicated to this. So, are you gonna be able to give 100% of your time to reaching these guys? Uh, and and and do you think are you uniquely able to reach those guys? Can you go to places that say I can't go or other pastors can't go?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I can. I mean, and it will be 100% of my time. I mean, I'm going all in. And thankfully, you know, a retired military card, like I can roll to the bases, you know, someone invites me, I can go step into that. I don't need any special screening. Um, I even have a friend that's uh willing to reboot my clearances so I can go to places like that. And so full access to that world. Right. Um, so I'm thankful for that. So yes.
SPEAKER_00:And with that access, it makes you uh, I say, like uh, you know, an albino whale in the middle of the ocean. I mean, just very rare. There's not people in Christendom who believe what we believe, love the Word of God, love the blood of Christ, want, know it's the answer, but can get to those families, right? Yeah. And and have you found uh uh um success in counseling and leading families to Christ. Have you ever had the chance to lead us uh a military uh uh former SEAL or anybody to Jesus? Have you?
SPEAKER_01:I have. And uh just you know, like there's so many exciting stories. I wish I had a just a bucket full of them. Yeah, but I had one story that's unique. This goes back in time a little bit when I was active duty. Yeah, I was in Turkey and I was running operations with the Greek Navy SEALs and the Turkish Green Berets and American Navy SEALs. Now, for those that don't know their history, the Greeks and the Turks they don't like each other too much, and so they got a lot of uh uh history, but we were all sitting around a fire pit one night, and I felt the Holy Spirit prompt me saying, You need to tell them about me. I was like, really? I was like, okay, this is a tough crowd. So I shared Christ, shared the gospel. I'd love to tell you a revival broke out, nothing. Like the crickets. I was like, all right, well, I was faithful, I shared. Ten years later, I get a request on Facebook from a teen guy that was at that.
SPEAKER_03:Fire pit.
SPEAKER_01:And he said, Hey, I'd like to talk to you. And I was like, Alright, what's up? He said, Well, uh, I just want to let you know, like, currently I'm a Boston uh SWAT team guy, and I was at that fire pit that night, and I was an atheist, and I hated your guts, and I decided to expose you as a fraud. So I didn't know this. Like, I'm speaking more for the Greeks and the Turks, I'm not even thinking about the Americans that are present. And so he shadows me and follows me around at the SIL team for next year, unbeknownst to me. He's he's just watching my life, and then he realized I believed what I believed, and then he got radically saved when he was up in Boston. He's getting ready to get baptized, and he wanted me to come up and see him get baptized. Wow. Fast forward today, he's in Tennessee and he's a pastor.
SPEAKER_00:No way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Isn't that cool?
SPEAKER_01:So that's like one story that is super cool.
SPEAKER_00:Nobody else could get at that circle. I mean, that's not a place the pastor can go. I mean, you're not going to meet those guys. And I think this ministry allows you also a platform to reach people, military and first responders, here and around the world as well. And you can train others to do that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And I think it's this idea that when people understand you understand what they've been through, they're more apt to listen because you get it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it's hard, they don't even want to open up to an outsider because they don't even know how to begin.
SPEAKER_00:Now, if I wanted to give, if I wanted to help, um when you think about what's ahead, uh, do you have any guaranteed salary? Uh do you know for sure that you're gonna have a paycheck uh next month? You know, is any of that guaranteed as of today when we're what about three years from now?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, zero.
SPEAKER_00:Zero.
SPEAKER_01:You got nothing. But it's it's to me, I'm old enough to know that when God calls you to do something, he'll take care of it. Because he owns all the cattle on the hillside. So I'm like, you know what? He's never let me down before. And I think it's more challenging to manage when you have a wife, you have a mortgage, you have children living with you, and grandchildren will live with you, then you're like, your wife's like, uh, are you sure? I'm like, I'm sure, we're gonna trust him. He's gonna show up.
SPEAKER_00:And uh, so each of us can get involved. Uh, and Patty and I definitely want to help. Uh uh, but each of us can get involved in a variety of ways and and can help you get, let's build uh a three-year uh running uh path, a starting place for you to get this thing launched and not have to worry about that because we don't want you spending time out raising money when you couldn't be reaching families uh for Christ, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean that would be the ideal so I could focus on the care instead of the fundraising.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it'd be exciting. And the future holds great things. The future holds exciting things. We just need to help you get launched uh to get started, right?
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. And you know, again, like you know, I I got all the numbers memorized, but again, uh my hope is that at least every year we can treat 15 people in the chamber. And so uh the total package is 20 grand, and I could break all that.
SPEAKER_00:Per family, per individual that you say.
SPEAKER_01:And that's like that's counting the chamber treatment, that's counting, you know, the scans before and after on the brain, it's counting physical supplements, and then possible housing. Uh, if we don't have to do the housing, then that's 5,000 off, so 15 grand can get someone restored physically. And then that ultimately provides that bridge to the ultimate hope.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, if you're you know, you're an American cares about our our our soldiers, first responders, those that have gone through this stuff, what a wonderful thing to think.$15,000 helps them and and and and changes a life. However, we've got to also remember that you're gonna need some help too to help all those guys get there. So we need to consider that as we give. And then we want to give to also the rally points so that they could scale and you could feasibly, I believe we've talked about you having hundreds of these rally points here and around the world.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we're going for a thousand in ten years.
SPEAKER_00:Thousand and ten years. That's wonderful. Yeah, that's wonderful. It's just blanket America. It's exciting. And you can be part of that thousand by getting part of launching a rally point. So this is exciting to think of. I think if we can uh raise, you know,$3,500 or$5,000, uh, we can launch a rally point for a year because it'll help you to train uh um curriculum, uh, get it out, and we can launch these rally points all over the world.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and even to put a more personal note on rally points, like the rally points are proven already to save lives because they have community. Like people are being cared for. And so again, uh that's an easy lift, I think, for every donor, right? Like, you know, even for the folks who are like, well, I only have a hundred bucks, like that'll help. It'll help a lot. 100 bucks will help a long ways to keeping someone from pulling a trigger because they have a place every week they can rally.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think we need to think of it this way. As you launch this, I know you don't like this, but we need to think about that. We have confidence in you, and so we want to trust, we want to do everything we can to get you out there working. And I feel like the Lord will lead you uh from there, but we gotta give you enough of uh basis so that you can go out there and just and just roll spiritually for the Lord and and really be out there helping guys and helping families. Yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm excited too.
