Stuff we take to weddings - and why!

For this episode Steve and Nick are joined by Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg, one half of Creative Depiction Studio, a Gloucestershire based wedding photographer and videographer, whom Nick often works with a weddings. The three of us discuss those all important non-camera gear stuff we always take to weddings, and we couldn't be without!

Nick has been working hard on the Nick Church Creative Academy, whilst Steve has had his walking books on walking, and videoing, the Oxfordshire Way. 

Mentioned in the show:

https://www.creativedepictionstudio.co.uk/

https://www.instagram.com/creativedepictionstudio/

https://www.artsac.co.uk/

https://reggiebphotography.com/

http://instagram.com/osanbilgi/

Nick Church and Steve Vaughan are professional wedding photographers based in the UK. They both use Sony Alpha cameras and lenses.

Video version of the Podcast including slide shows of images https://www.youtube.com/@thephotographypod

Nick's website : https://www.nickchurchphotography.co.uk/
Nick's Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/nickchurchphotography/

Nick Church Creative Academy https://www.nickchurchphotography.co.uk/news/introducing-nick-church-creative-academy

Steve's website : https://www.samandstevephotography.com/
Steve's Wedding Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/samandstevephotography/
Steve's personal Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevevaughanphotography

Any technical information given by the presenters is based on their understanding and opinion at the time of recording

Transcript

Nick Church (00:01)
Welcome listener to the photography pod with me, Nick Church and Steve Vaughan. Steve, how's your world city knowledge?

Steve Vaughan (00:08)
Err, not bad. I don't do as much travelling as I used to, but I'm not bad. Why do you ask?

Nick Church (00:12)
Cause I don't know if you saw, I don't know if you checked your emails today, but we got an email from, um, the place that we get the platform. do this podcast on, it gives us a list of all of the places around the world that people are listening and downloading the podcast, which is amazing. It's amazing to see all the places. was like, wow. Anyway, I thought it would be good to do the quiz that no one thought they needed, which is called where's that for pod sake. All right. So this is Steve being tested on some of our.

Steve Vaughan (00:24)
did see that, didn't look at it. Okay.

Ha ha.

You

Hahaha

No pressure

then.

Nick Church (00:41)
No, no, live. Yeah. Although you did this to me, I look like an absolute clown, didn't I? Around Christmas time. Anyway. Um, so I'm to give you some cities and you've got to tell me where they are, country or state. All right. All right. And if you get above 80%, then you go into a sort of Mensa type club. Anyway. Right. Starting really easy. Um, Portland. What state? All right. Smart. All right. What about South Salem?

Steve Vaughan (00:47)
Yeah.

Okay, okay.

As if, as if. Go on then.

Well, there's two, there's Oregon and Maine, there's two.

Massachusetts.

Nick Church (01:14)
New York, New York, Dayton, Yep. Ellicott City.

Steve Vaughan (01:15)
boom, boom. Ohio, easy.

Helicot City. We have a listener in Helicot City. By the way, dear listener, if you live in Helicot City, please write to us and tell us that you're the listener or listeners. Helicot City? I don't know.

Nick Church (01:32)
Well, they're

in Maryland. I didn't know any these. Two Rivers.

Steve Vaughan (01:36)
Isn't that a band? I don't know. North Dakota.

Nick Church (01:40)
even though that's close, Wisconsin and Corpus Christi.

Steve Vaughan (01:43)
Don't know, can't think. Texas, okay. All right.

Nick Church (01:44)
Texas. All right, so going a bit further afield because all

over the place, Kokomo.

Steve Vaughan (01:50)
Kokomo is in Caribbean somewhere. Columbia.

Nick Church (01:53)
It's Indiana trick question. we haven't got much for the food. Bogota. got it, but we got

Columbia. Yep. Poplar with the cartels. gumpo.

Steve Vaughan (02:01)
We really like you in Colombia. Don't be offended by us. We really do like our listener in Colombia. What was the other one, sorry? Gumpo, isn't that a kind of New Orleans food? is that gumbo? Gumpo chicken? I don't know. China? Oh, close, yeah.

Nick Church (02:06)
I know, Gumpo.

That's gumbo.

Well, yeah, that's right. South Korea. Yeah, not far.

Little known fact, you know, they play the podcast over the border to into the communist North in South Korea. Not as propaganda, but just as a deterrent to stop people coming into the South. That's right. Right. Okay. A couple more. Dakar.

Steve Vaughan (02:23)
Okay. So if the Korean war kicks off again, it's not our fault dear listener. Okay. Don't blame us.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (02:27)
you

Steve Vaughan (02:33)
Dakar is in Africa, Senegal.

Nick Church (02:37)
he's rallying now a bit. See a bit of fun there, get that? Lagos. Yeah. And Vilnius. And last one, Hamilton.

Steve Vaughan (02:39)
Mmm, there you go. Nigeria.

Lithuania.

It could be loads. It could be in New Zealand or it be in Canada. I'm going to say Canada.

Nick Church (02:50)
There is a lot of those.

I think, do you know what, think there's actually two, but this one I was looking at was Bermuda. And the reason that this one picked out is because I imagine somebody sitting on a beach in Bermuda thinking, do you know what I need to do is go inside and listen to a couple of people rabbiting on about cameras and photography. And I think you did pretty well there, Steve. That's, that I wasn't, I would say, well, I think you're dressing up a little bit. I reckon probably 50 or 60, which is, which is good because loads of those I didn't know.

Steve Vaughan (02:57)
Where's one in Scotland?

What did I get 60 % 70 %

Okay, okay.

Nick Church (03:23)
embarrassingly, although they're very honest idea because I went there for a talk. ⁓ I had to do a talk and I was there. I was, I had to go to listen to a talk and then was told at the airport while my boss thought I was actually presenting. So that's why that one stuck in my mind full of anxiety.

Steve Vaughan (03:24)
Yeah, yeah.

I'll be the Vilnius as well. Yeah.

I was

good at geography at school actually, it one of the things I used to love looking at, this is and things I know that's sad, isn't it? Yeah, but yeah.

Nick Church (03:45)
Well, the listener,

yeah, all the listeners in those places and all the ones we haven't mentioned. Thank you very much for downloading the pod.

Steve Vaughan (03:50)
And do

get in touch if you do live in any one of those cities, do drop us a line or try and join the Facebook group. We would love to hear from you and love to know why you listen to us prattle on about photography and cameras. But we do thank you. If you're in Kettering even, yes.

Nick Church (04:02)
or if you're in Kettering or Calm

or any other places that are in the list.

Steve Vaughan (04:07)
Shall we start the show? Okay, let's cut to the music.

Nick Church (04:08)
Let's start the show.

Steve Vaughan (04:10)
So, yeah, welcome to the photography part. As Nick said earlier, I'm Steve Vaughan and that guy who's asking me questions is Nick Church. Nick, have you been up to over the last couple of weeks since we last spoke?

Nick Church (04:20)
I have been full on, um, academy, academying, which is, um, now a word. Uh, so that's launched that launched a couple of weeks ago and the courses are doing well. So there's, uh, there's a few of those being sold, uh, which is really good in the community, but the academy is now taken as well where people are actually having conversations. We're getting some, some good sort of traffic in there. So that's, that's nice to see as well. Um, so if, yeah, just one, one thing for everyone, if they, if people want to

Steve Vaughan (04:43)
Good stuff.

Nick Church (04:49)
Get involved, then do just go to Nick Church. So www.nickchurchcreativeacademy.com. You can find the membership section as free membership or just sign up on any of the pages basically. cool. Okay. ⁓ off to Ireland next week. So looking forward to that, ⁓ to holiday. So it's like, ⁓ we're going, I haven't, I haven't been to Ireland at all. So we're going to, Belfast and then to the north of Northern Ireland and then down to Cork and, a few other places. So yeah, really forward to that. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (04:54)
Okay.

I'm now in by the way, I've joined. Okay.

Is holiday or business or? okay. Ever been before?

Great. beautiful. Beautiful. ⁓ you'll have a great time.

Nick Church (05:18)
All about you, how have you been?

Steve Vaughan (05:18)
Getting back into the swing of things really after our holiday, really. So like everybody's sweltering over the last few days. So we had a little wedding on the Friday. We got back off holiday just a half day, which was nice. Went to...

an event at one of the wedding venues we work at, Manor Farm Barn in Marsh Gibbon, and they had a fundraiser for the village and had a load of bands on it. It was like a little festival. It was great. They had a Queen tribute band on who were really good. I have to say they were called the real Queen or something. They were excellent, although the guy singing was a bit like Manuel from 40 Towers and I'm sure it was Neil from the Young Ones on lead guitar, but they were good.

Nick Church (05:48)
well.

Do you know what?

I've got a feeling that that really rings a bell. I know they're all going to have similar names, but I think I saw them on a New Year's ball I went to in a hotel in Somerset years ago. They were good actually, really good.

Steve Vaughan (06:07)
okay.

They were

really good. Yeah. And there was a take that tribute band. They were pretty good as well. So that was a lot of fun. I've been buying gear as well. We'll talk about gear in a little bit. So we'll talk about that. have you ever been told by a camera manufacturer that you use the tripod too much? No, I have today. Yeah, I have today. Interesting. Yeah. So I don't at all. No, that's the whole point. So the Sony A7R IV went back to the factory, went back to the service place in Pencoid.

Nick Church (06:16)
Cool.

I haven't. haven't yet. ⁓ dear. You don't use a tripod that much though.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (06:34)
you

Nick Church (06:39)
Hmm.

Steve Vaughan (06:40)
with a similar fault that it had in October, which was an IBIS problem. So I thought, okay, the IBIS is gone. I'm not gonna pay for that. And apparently what's happened is the screws from the tripod mount had fallen inside and knackered up or got connected to the magnetic part of the IBIS. And the report said, obviously the customer makes heavy use of the tripod socket. What I don't do is pass my camera clip to it. So mean, every wedding photographer I know either uses

Nick Church (06:56)
record.

Steve Vaughan (07:07)
hold fasts or something like that. I don't, use the spider holsters. So there we go. Just watch out for your tripod socket. Yeah. Yeah. So all the screws inside have come loose. anyway, they fixed it. It might just be an excuse. Samantha's not listening. Might be excuse to buy a new one. Yeah. But that's our secret. You mean all our listeners. Yeah.

Nick Church (07:09)
Yeah.

But it still connects to that main quarter inch thing, yeah.

That's not great, is it?

Yeah. Yeah. You're actually

saving yourself money, if anything, by doing that. Did they charge you? Sony. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah. All right. Let's introduce our guest. Today we have got Jan Willem von Koneinenberg. That's right. Koneinenberg. I call him Jan for obvious reasons. So Jan's from Holland.

Steve Vaughan (07:30)
Yeah, of course I am. 90 quid. 90 quid labour. Yeah, it is to be fair. Yeah, I'm not going to go Sony, by the way. Thank you for doing it.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (07:46)
Yeah, that's pretty good.

Nick Church (07:50)
Jan years ago first came to me for just a spot of kind of website and business coaching and stuff. We became great pals. His dry Dutch sense of humor seems to align with mine. so we've been quite careful to make sure we set the boundaries for the age rating on this podcast, especially with Steve Chippigan as well. could be, yeah, it could be bad. Jan is an exceptional videographer.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (08:00)
No.

We'll keep it PG, don't worry.

Steve Vaughan (08:11)
Okay.

Nick Church (08:14)
⁓ he, his studio is creative depiction studio, which he runs with his wife, Eunice. and another husband and wife team like you, like you, Jan is my go-to videographer, for any wedding films that Nick Church photography does. And he is just exceptional. don't embarrass him. but he's my, go-to. ⁓ so we've done, a couple of, well, we've done a few, a few things recently with Jan, a few, a few weddings and so on.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (08:15)
Thank

Steve Vaughan (08:22)
okay, great.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (08:22)
Yeah.

thank you. I'm flattered.

Steve Vaughan (08:33)
you

Nick Church (08:41)
And it struck me that Jan's always got a bit of kit that he's rolling out. Now it might just be a little connector. Last time I think it was a little, shutter button for his Fuji. So it's full of these things, but it could be cages, monitors, all sorts of things. And I always feel bad because when Steve talks about this stuff, it must just be like, he's talking to some curtains when he talks to me about it. So I thought having Jan on, you could actually have a proper conversation.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (08:55)
Yeah, yeah.

Steve Vaughan (09:03)
Yeah.

Nick Church (09:07)
So yeah, welcome to the pod. Thank you for joining us.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (09:10)
Thank you for having me. I'm honored. What an honor. ⁓

Steve Vaughan (09:13)
It's great to have you, Jan. And I

Nick Church (09:13)
good.

Steve Vaughan (09:14)
must admit, I did look at some of your work and it is exceptional. So great to have you here. And we should give you the opportunity to tell you a little bit about how you work as well. It's not just going to be a geekathon.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (09:18)
Thank you very much. Stop it. Yeah.

Nick Church (09:23)
Yeah, indeed.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (09:24)
Yeah, of course. course.

Nick Church (09:25)
And yeah, before we start, last time we did a wedding, a few weeks ago, a couple of months ago, and it was at Coombe Lodge. And I think there's a small chance that I might have taken one of your batteries, your Sony batteries. And I think that that, and when I say a small chance, I basically mean I definitely did take one of your batteries. So.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (09:33)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

God. Well, you're going to have to...

So you've got like

a little sticker with a number on it at the bottom.

Nick Church (09:47)
No, they all look the same.

They all look the same, but I definitely had eight and now I've got nine and that's the only place because you did say was that my battery? And I said, I don't think so. I pocketed it. And that was, and that was the end of that. I think about it again until I suddenly found nine batteries.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (09:51)
Okay, right. You

Steve Vaughan (09:56)
You

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (10:00)
would have gotten away with that if you didn't tell me, but yeah, we'll just bring it with you in the next one.

Nick Church (10:02)
I'll bring it next time. Yeah. I'll work

out which ones are the oldest and take that, bring that one back. Tape, tape that.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (10:08)
Yeah. Yeah, no, wouldn't have known.

Steve Vaughan (10:08)
Yeah, well, it just worked very well given that one. Yeah. Yeah. How long have

you been videoing weddings and things?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (10:16)
Um, I think the first wedding I did was, I think it was 2015 or something like that. And I started out a bit before that, but not officially. And I think I, cause I come from a music production background and at one point I bought, thought, you know what, I'm going to treat myself to like a DSLR, but this is like 2011 or something like long time ago now. Um,

Steve Vaughan (10:23)
wow, okay.

All right.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (10:44)
Yeah, and I just, just me being a gear geek, if you will, I just like, you can buy different lenses for that. And then it just very slowly started. actually started with like this Nikon DSLR thingy entry level. then it's very slowly built my way up. then Canon apparently was good at video. And I thought, with the music production, it'd be quite cool to do some like little music videos and very, very slowly evolved in.

to one of my friends got married. I oh, want to bring your camera along? And that wasn't like an official photographer. There was a few people with cameras there and I thought I'd just take a few snaps. And that's kind of like the very early days. But yeah, think 2015, 2015 was a point where I think I bought a 5D Mark III and a like a 24-70, 70-200. It's the first time I properly invested into some.

Steve Vaughan (11:25)
kind of how we all start I think.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (11:39)
decent sort of setup and stuff. I was doing a few like very early days, fitness stuff and car stuff. And I ended up on this sort of website where they, I can't remember what it's called now, but they don't exist anymore. But it's similar to like bar. don't know if you've heard of that, which is yeah. But yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do, isn't it? So it's early days, but yeah, someone.

Nick Church (11:59)
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Race to the bottom.com.

Steve Vaughan (11:59)
Yeah, no, only two will. Yeah. Yeah.

To get going. Yeah, of course.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (12:09)
someone got in touch about a wedding. just, I just said, it was both me and my wife, actually, we did that one together. We're just both videoing. And yeah, that's how it all started. And then they recommended us, they were really happy. They even gave us a tip, which is quite nice. And then, yeah, they recommended us to some friends and that was kind of like the very,

Steve Vaughan (12:30)
And rest is history.

Nick Church (12:30)
And that was the

It's interesting that in video it's the same as in photography, that those of us that have a love of music, which I know you do, Jan and Steve as well, we often start taking photos or video of bands and things because they're always wanting it. Then you suddenly realize, all right, they're not going to pay anything. That's the problem. Who's going to pay me? A bride and groom are going to pay me.

Steve Vaughan (12:38)
Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (12:46)
Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it. You got to do it yourself.

Yeah, no, absolutely. It all goes hand in hand, isn't it? It's a creative process, whether you're making a, you know, composing a song or you're composing a wedding video or you're composing a photo selection, you know, it's all similar-ish in a way, isn't it?

Steve Vaughan (12:53)
Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Nick Church (12:54)
Yeah.

Well, I think that's what I've learned from your, your films, your wedding films that, when I started doing video a few years ago, the first few were very much linear. were, they were effectively like, I would deliver a photo set, but with moving scenes rather than single photos. And then looking at your, your footage that you were creating for me and then edit that in a similar way. But then, then looking at your films and we changed the way that I edit them to actually create stories and arcs and things like that is much more like a song.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (13:16)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nick Church (13:33)
where there's a real kind of emotion sort of lift and drops and things like that. And it is interesting.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (13:37)
Absolutely, no,

totally, Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (13:39)
That's interesting. Okay. So let's get onto the gear stuff then. Cause that's what we said we were going to do today. So obviously you're shooting Sony, otherwise you want to nick one of Nick Nick wouldn't have nicked one of your batteries. That's hard to say Nick wouldn't have nicked one of your batteries. So what are your weapons of choice then? Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (13:45)
That's what I'm here for.

Nick Church (13:51)
Nick by name, Nick by name, Nick by nature.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (13:51)
Yeah, there we go.

So right this right here is my my main weapon of choice, which is the a7s3 So ⁓ so me and my wife we do the photography as well, but so we've got I think Three a7 fours. I'm not bragging that just that's what we need And I seven seven fours is fantastic Video body as well and it's it's almost like a little brother to the a7s3 with I think the only drawback is

Steve Vaughan (14:02)
Right. Perfect. Yeah.

Okay.

Wow. No, no, no. Exactly. Yeah. We've got four cameras. Yeah.

Yeah, they are.

Mm.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (14:24)
If you're shooting 4K in 50 frames per second, it will be cropped in IPSC mode, whereas the A7S III shoots full frame in 50. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (14:27)
is a crop, yeah.

Yep.

Nick Church (14:34)
mean, that's more of an issue for photos though, isn't it? sorry.

That, that crop in a, if you can get 4K out of it and you can get a bit further back, then it's not that much of a problem.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (14:42)
Yeah, I

Steve Vaughan (14:43)
That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (14:44)
actually

use it in a beneficial way, I guess, because sometimes I use my a seven fours as a static camera. Quite often, it's very handy. I've just got one button mapped to switch between cropped because I shoot mostly 25 frames anyway, so I can zoom in a bit. It can crop in a bit if I need a bit more reach, which is quite handy because under a seven s threes.

Steve Vaughan (15:00)
Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (15:07)
not quite the same because of the pixel density. So yeah.

Steve Vaughan (15:08)
Hmm.

I do the same with

the photography with the A7R4, the one that's just had a loose screw, because you know, 61 megapixels, if I'm on a 24, which I often am, I can crop into a 35 equivalent on a crop center, but still at 26 megapixels. it's great to work with really.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (15:16)
Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, Just to draw back

Nick Church (15:27)
Yeah, that's decent.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (15:29)
to the A74 and A73s, you end up with something like 6 megapixel, 8 megapixel, and that's like, there's not even, you might as well just crop it in Lightroom, there's no point.

Steve Vaughan (15:34)
Yeah, that's a bit tight. ⁓ Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Nick Church (15:36)
Yeah.

But

you shoot, if you use your Fuji and if your, your Fuji cameras for commercial stuff, yeah. And it was that, is that just for family stuff? I know you've got a little, little Max, your son. if you, if you ventured out to weddings with those as well.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (15:52)
Yeah. ⁓

I've actually shot one wedding with Fuli on Fuji. Just great fun, actually. I kind of opened my eyes a bit and started realizing. So I actually bought like an X-T3, I used to have an X-T4 and then I thought, oh, I need two bodies. So just bought a secondhand X-T3 from, was it an MPB or something, just so I can have two primes. And yeah, actually it was really good. I'm surprised like how...

Steve Vaughan (16:01)
It is fun, yeah.

Hmm.

Nick Church (16:18)
Mm.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (16:25)
how good the lenses are, the great lenses and the little primes. I think I've got the 35 f2, the 50 f2 and they're fantastic, great little lenses and yeah, great. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (16:28)
the lenses are great. Yeah.

Yeah, belting little ends, little stubby ones, yeah. Of course,

that's all we used for a number of years, where we first switched from, so we were know, 5D Mark III's and things, and then we switched to mirrorless, and for four or five years, that's all we used was Fuji. So it's doable. was, you know, it's just that my wife was finding some of the focusing issues challenging. And...

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (16:49)
Yeah.

Nick Church (16:53)
Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (16:54)
God, yeah, they're...

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

Nick Church (16:59)
Is that cause she's been

spoiled with Sony and stuff? mean, yeah. Cause that's what I'm worried about now is that it's so reliable with Sony. Like I find the image quality on my, on my XT five as good as Sony, honestly, it's just incredible. think they're not, they're really clean. Rolfos really clean. The lenses I've got those, is it LR? WR that yeah, the WR lenses are just, they're so sharp that, and they're

Steve Vaughan (17:02)
Now yes, I mean yes at the time she didn't you know yeah yeah yeah probably ⁓ incredible

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (17:09)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (17:14)
Hmm.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (17:17)
Yeah, yeah.

Steve Vaughan (17:21)
Do we all? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

Nick Church (17:26)
There's, there's small for, and they, they focus in closely the fifth, that 50 mil that I use lots to do when I dropped the other day. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. probably doesn't, yeah. I don't know about that. I dropped my, I dropped my M X T five with them. Oh dear. Anyway, but that, that's almost like a macro. You can get so you can focus so close with it. It's

Steve Vaughan (17:32)
I wasn't going to mention that. Again.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (17:33)
go now again.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, this can't fault it. And especially for I don't really, I haven't really used it for video apart from just for little home videos, but yeah, the video options are fantastic. Like the, the, I don't really know too much about it because I haven't used it, but as far as I'm aware, like even the X-T3 has got some like 10 bit 4K 50 frames output. I think.

Steve Vaughan (17:57)
Yeah.

Can you do open gate recording on the Fuji's?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (18:12)
I thought that that was a Panasonic thing, but I'm not entirely sure.

Steve Vaughan (18:14)
Right, think I wasn't sure that's where

you use the whole sensor Nick and you can effectively then choose to crop it in in post. Yeah. Okay, I wasn't sure it would be a nice feature if it did certainly.

Nick Church (18:20)
Okay

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (18:21)
Yeah.

Nick Church (18:25)
What's that recipe that you sent me that you showed me that time? Because that looks really good. I know Steve's a fan of the old recipes as well.

Steve Vaughan (18:31)
Mm.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (18:32)
Yeah, so I actually just to backtrack a little bit. So I've sold all my X-T3, X-T4, wherever all these interchangeable camera lens bodies and I've just got an X100. What's the latest one? The latest six. Yeah. So I've got one of those now. I just thought, you know, what the hell? can't keep on buying lens, keep on buying different lenses. Just get one of those nice and compact. So, but yeah, the film recipes are great because you get all the latest.

Steve Vaughan (18:46)
Six. Six, yeah.

Nick Church (18:47)
It

yeah.

Steve Vaughan (18:52)
They're great fun, aren't they? Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (19:01)
simulations on there so you get the pro-neg

Steve Vaughan (19:05)
Classic Chrome and yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (19:06)
Yeah, classic chrome.

Yeah, you get some extras as well that have some really nice recipes. ⁓ yeah, there's one that is Regis Portra. Yeah, he's a fantastic photographer. Filipino guy, yeah, he's so great.

Nick Church (19:14)
What was that Reggie's one?

Steve Vaughan (19:16)
That's what I do about a stay at Ross, yeah.

Nick Church (19:17)
Yeah, that's good. ⁓ That's lovely, yeah.

Steve Vaughan (19:23)
We should try and get him on here

actually, because he's got a great YouTube channel. I think as I was one of the first people that corresponded with him actually, when he first started the channel. He's a really nice guy. I think he's San Francisco away somewhere, isn't he?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (19:32)
Yeah,

yeah, he's great from what I've seen it's very interesting his videos and yeah, but his yeah, yeah

Nick Church (19:39)
Is he Filipino?

Steve Vaughan (19:39)
Yeah, think so. Yeah.

⁓

Nick Church (19:41)
We'll get, we'll get Jan's wife Eunice to get in touch with him. She's Filipino. there might be, there might be a way in, might be an in for us, Steve.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (19:45)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's

it, that's it. I'll get her on the case.

Steve Vaughan (19:50)
In all seriousness though,

I think that's one of the real beauties because we've got an X106 as well. We've got one of the limited edition ones. We were looking to get one. And that's one of the beauties of it really is that you can go out as you do Nick. You can go out with it for the day and take some pictures with the JPEG recipes and have fun with it and come home and just download the pictures and not feel guilty about the fact that you've got six weddings still waiting to be edited or whatever. Because you've been taking pictures for yourself. And that was always the challenge I found. Oh, I've got all these raw files, but...

Nick Church (20:15)
Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (20:16)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (20:19)
I got all these raw files from customers. ⁓ and I don't, does that make sense? Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (20:22)
Yeah, exactly. 100%. I totally agree.

I've got holiday photos from two years ago. I still haven't edited. So yeah, there you go. This is where Fuji comes in. But yeah, that Reggie's portrait. That's a really good all round recipe. Then there's another guy. I think there's another guy who lives in Switzerland. I think he might be Turkish. He's got a Turkish sounding name. His name is Osan Bilgi. Bilgi. I don't know how to pronounce it.

Steve Vaughan (20:28)
I'll say no. Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Church (20:30)
It's on the same.

Steve Vaughan (20:37)
Okay, we'll look that up. Yeah, put a link to it as well.

Don't know him now.

Nick Church (20:50)
Be okay, yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (20:51)
Yeah, but if you look on his Instagram straight away, there's like, wow, so amazing colors and really like, like every single shot, you could frame it. It's beautiful. So he's got, he's got one that's quite popular called Cuban negative. And that's great colors. Yeah, yeah. Look at, him up. It's all free. His recipes. Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (21:00)
Mm.

We'll find him and put him his link as well, because I don't know him, we'll have

Nick Church (21:14)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (21:17)
a look. So when we're about cool cameras, I'm lost in the about this. This is the Ricoh GR3X. So it's the 40mm equivalent. And I keep looking at it thinking I love that camera, but actually, have I used it that much? Probably not.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (21:22)
amazing, yeah. Yeah, I know about those.

Yeah, yeah. I've had other people saying the complete the same thing but opposite for Fuji. They said they'd be using that more and then just Fuji is gathering dust. I suppose it's, it's yeah, yeah, that's being one of the reasons for it.

Steve Vaughan (21:43)
The of this, it really is pocketable. mean, it's tiny. ⁓ The

only thing is, is obviously I'm going to view finder. So you're using the back screen and like an idiot when I, cause I'm getting old, cause I'm, I'm a glasses done in the last year, like an idiot. had reactor lights fitted and of course try to use the back screen on a camera in the daylight. Got no chance. He can't see anything. So I had to take me old pair of glasses with me now when I do weddings. So.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (22:04)
Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Church (22:07)
with polarized glasses. Can't see a thing. It actually cuts out. You can't see. It's like, I thought the screen was dead. thought my phone's dead as well. I thought hang on. There's a common factor.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (22:10)
god, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I get that sometimes

with with one of my ND filters from I've had that before where it gets like a sort of a strange rainbow effect on people's phones. Someone is when you see a screen somewhere, it just gives like a rainbow tint. Hey, it's know, it's 2025 you need to be inclusive. So it's all right, you know. So

Steve Vaughan (22:24)
All right.

Nick Church (22:25)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Hey ⁓

Steve Vaughan (22:34)
Hahaha.

So what's the most obscure thing? We'll go around all of us, think, on this, but what's the most obscure or unexpected thing that you would take to a wedding, If you were to ask one person in the street about wedding photographers and videographers, they'd be surprised to know that we took along. Can you think of anything like that? I can think of some straight away, but anything that's unusual, anything that you couldn't operate without, but isn't necessarily mainstream gear?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (23:02)
That's a really difficult one. I've got a really boring one, but it's so good. Honestly, it really sounds like this conversation is going to be sounding like I'm secretly a small rig employee. I've got a lot of small rig beds. So I've got one of their straps, right? So it's, I know if you can see. So it's one of their straps. So on the gimbal, they've got this new sort of quick release system.

Steve Vaughan (23:03)
Anyway, I know that's why I'm asking you.

Yeah, go for it.

man.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (23:27)
And again, I need to be careful what I'm saying. If you type this connector in on it's called a QD mount, I think if you type that in on Amazon or eBay, you get all sort of rifle mounts and things. I think that's kind of what it kind of what it what these are officially used for. they started using them for what small rig is started using them. So you can literally you got this little thing you can just you can just click it in. But the best thing about it is

Steve Vaughan (23:34)
OK.

Okay, no, we don't want to do that.

That's super cool.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (23:56)
Small rig has got like a really cool Rhino cage, it's called, so it's a really fancy looking cage and it's got underneath it, it's got the same little connector so you can literally just take it off the gimbal and it's, you don't have to mess about with different quick release plates and yeah so that's, that is a boring one but it's good.

Steve Vaughan (24:02)
Okay.

Nick Church (24:07)
Alright.

Steve Vaughan (24:07)
that's clever. That is clever.

Yeah.

No, not at all. sounds like a good

tip. The small rig stuff is great. I've got various bits and pieces from them as well.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (24:22)
Yeah, I think the only

thing that I don't have from Smallwig is probably like socks and underwear. I've got so much, so many different things. Yeah, I'd buy it if they did.

Steve Vaughan (24:28)
I'm sure they'll make

Nick Church (24:28)
Yes.

Steve Vaughan (24:31)
Anything

that makes you use a good gimbal, Alicia, because I think gimbals are the spawn of Satan. hate gimbals. Everything about them. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (24:37)
Yeah,

I know what you mean. Last year I've shot probably like 10 weddings in a row where I had a period of shooting handheld or sort of like a mini rig. That was great. But this year I started, you know, I thought, I'll start using the gimbal again for a few weddings. it's just the editing afterwards is so much easier rather than having to cut little bits out because the rest is shaky and that

Steve Vaughan (24:58)
No, for sure. I understand that. Yeah.

Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (25:04)
Yeah, I mean, I don't I use it on and off not all the time. Sometimes I feel like it's just a bit too overwhelming for the couples.

Steve Vaughan (25:10)
It's just a poncing about balancing

the thing and it's like fighting a bagpipes, it? When you first tried to get it together.

Nick Church (25:15)
Yeah. I think it's

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (25:16)
Yeah, true.

Nick Church (25:17)
like anything that, that if you use it occasionally, every time it's like the first time and it is like trying to, it's like trying to drive a car where the wheels go the opposite way to what you think. find it really difficult because I'm not building up any muscle memory from using every, like, like you do a camera where you just know exactly, you know, you're changing the settings as you walk outside if we even, even need the shot. Yeah, I struggle with it, but then yeah, I've had the same thing as Jan have done a wedding that I shot myself, actually a wedding film.

Steve Vaughan (25:23)
Yeah.

No, no, sure.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (25:35)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (25:37)
Mm.

Nick Church (25:45)
handheld and it was blood bath afterwards. It's really hard in the edit, especially in premier where it, the warp stabilizer was just flaking it. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (25:50)
Yeah.

goes out jello. It's horrible on it.

I hate it.

Steve Vaughan (25:58)
That's because he's primarily employed. I hate that program.

Nick Church (26:00)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (26:01)
I absolutely hate that. What are you editing, Jan?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (26:03)
I use Final Cut Pro mainly, but I am ashamed to say that I do use, mean, Nick, he's probably, he's ready to block me because probably every week I'm in his inbox moaning about Premiere this, Premiere that. I don't know, I need to shut up about it. But yeah, unfortunately I do have to use it. just because I get a family member who helps me with some minor edits, some of the boring stuff, you know, and yeah, unfortunately they...

Steve Vaughan (26:05)
Yeah.

Right, okay.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (26:30)
They only use Premiere, they're on Windows. So basically, I just downloaded it. It took me a long time to get to not delete it after five minutes in anger. But yeah, finally I got to a point where I'm like, okay, I can.

Steve Vaughan (26:35)
That's the choice. Yeah. Now I get that. Yeah.

you

Nick Church (26:45)
It's infuriating

when you, and I had this this week, um, on a totally different thing. I was using, um, Google ads. Have you ever tried using Google ads? Wow. Gosh, it was so complicated to install, man, to install, you know, on, the, the Academy website, it supports Google analytics. You know, enable that integration that doesn't tell you conversion tracking. So you can't tell if someone's bought something. So you can't then see how, how well the ads are running and so on.

Steve Vaughan (26:55)
Not for years. Not for years.

Nick Church (27:15)
So you have to install Google Tag Manager that puts a Google Tag, but you have to put the code in there. And I thought, well, how does it all hang together? And it was just, if it was making me crazy. And I thought this must be what we're really blessed. think that most things we could just figure out. But when, when my father-in-law is using his iPad and he would try to use his phone and like every time he needs to go to online banking, I'll tell you a funny story in a minute. Every time he goes on online banking, he has to phone us up and he must be going through that all the time.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (27:25)
Yeah, yeah.

Nick Church (27:42)
just faced with something that you just cannot do and you can't work. The funny thing about him was he phoned me the other night to say that he'd logged in. He was trying to log into his first direct. His name's Alex, Alex Lockhart. And he said, I think what happened was when I did the face recognition, I was in a dark room because it came up Alex star star star. So we could see a bit of me, but not all of me. So I said, no, that's, that's just a security thing. So I know I thought, bless you. It's like his phone saying, well, I can see it as an Alex, but I'm not sure which one.

Steve Vaughan (27:44)
Hmm.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (28:03)
Ha ha ha.

Steve Vaughan (28:06)
God bless him. ⁓

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (28:06)
Yeah. ⁓

Typical, it?

Steve Vaughan (28:14)
bless, bless. You're

right about software. guess, you know, experience and stuff. So I've been playing with Ecamm live this week. Now, have you ever used Ecamm?

Nick Church (28:24)
I haven't, no, no.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (28:25)
Now I've

just seen it come up in Google trying to get my A74 connected as a webcam. It came up funny enough but I haven't looked at it now.

Steve Vaughan (28:30)
Yeah, it would do that. So,

so with the sales training business that I now co-own, we've got a customer who's interested in buying a lot of training courses from us, but they want an online on demand kind of thing. I think you're dealing with the Academy, Nick, but in the, in the space that I work in, which is scientific equipment. And, I got the job of doing a demo video and I'm thinking, how am going to do this? And, and I've never gone on with OBS. I've, I've tried to use OBS. I just find it a little bit too.

Nick Church (28:57)
What did you call it earlier, Steve? What was that term you used? Hair shirt. I'd not heard that one before. Say something really irritating.

Steve Vaughan (28:58)
hair shirt. In other words, he's like, you know, yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (29:06)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (29:07)
So I know that Neil Redfern, who we've had on before, you know, with his podcast and his live streams, he uses it. So I got it and I love it. It's great. So what you do, you build up scenes. So you have like different scenes you overlay and you can record, but you can also live stream with it as well.

Nick Church (29:18)
Mm-hmm.

Like

I be asking, man.

Steve Vaughan (29:25)
Yeah, but it's just, it's like a, because it's a Mac program. It's just, yeah.

Nick Church (29:27)
better. Yeah. Well, I know BSC is open source as well, to be fair, isn't it? And

those programs are always like designed by committee and yeah, bit odd.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (29:31)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (29:35)
Whereas

this just feels like it's just like plug and play really. So I really enjoyed using it. Although I had to sort of have one computer recording and another computer bringing the video in for the slideshow. That makes sense. But yeah, I got it working at the end. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Right in dear listener, if you know the answer.

Nick Church (29:38)
Yeah.

Okay, yeah.

Will it stream 4k from your Sony? Does OBS do that? you know? Cause I can, can

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (29:54)
I think it does. Yeah,

Nick Church (29:56)
on my

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (29:56)
OBS does.

Nick Church (29:57)
A7, will it do on an A7 for you? Because whenever I try and plug OBS into my, my cam, which is only for this week, normally, which and 1080P is fine because we, that's what we boil it down to anyway in YouTube. But yeah, it won't let me select any 4k outputs for, from, from the camera. So I need to.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (30:01)
should do, yeah, it should do on anything, really.

Using like a capture card or?

Steve Vaughan (30:17)
capture

card would be a better idea, yeah.

Nick Church (30:19)
Yeah, probably that's it. Maybe the limitation then is the the fact I'm just connected by USB USB-C to the camera.

Steve Vaughan (30:24)
Yeah, get the Elgato

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (30:26)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (30:26)
Cam Link. I've got one. If I wasn't sitting here wearing off a lot and I'd stand up and I'd reveal everything to you, I'd stand up and open the drawer over there. I've got one in there. It's like a little USB stick, but it's a 4K converter. ⁓ Please switch off the video.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (30:31)
Ha ha ha.

Nick Church (30:34)
Hopefully the drawers are all over the place by the sound of it.

Okay.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (30:41)
think I've got one somewhere.

Nick Church (30:43)
used to, in fact, yeah. Cause I thought I'm sure I've done this before, but I think I was used and it wasn't an expensive one. was just a little, inline HDMI, know, but it was only about 30 quid off Amazon. was really, cheap. yeah, but that, that must've been what I was using when I previously had 4k work. I couldn't remember what the setup was. That's why then I had a capture. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (30:51)
Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (30:53)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (30:59)
Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (31:03)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (31:04)
So let me ask the question I ask to you then Nick, what's the most useful thing that you would take to a wedding that possibly somebody wouldn't consider beforehand?

Nick Church (31:08)
Oh, do you know what?

It's there's nothing. There's nothing. When you said that, do you know, I was honestly looking through my camera bag thinking I've got a rocket blower in there. Um, some lenses, some batteries. got, I got loads of batteries. get them all over the place. Everyone I work with, I steal a batch. Yeah, that would calling card.

Steve Vaughan (31:13)
come on.

Wow, what exciting life you lead,

There's a guy called Jan Gibson for free.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (31:29)
Yeah, got one of mine as well.

Steve Vaughan (31:34)
Yeah

Nick Church (31:34)
No,

it's just not that. That's just not that just isn't me really. I like the kit that I know I need and a dupe and some redundancy in there as well. So if one of the, if a lens breaks, camera breaks, I've got something I can, I can complete that gig with. Um, other than that, I rely on you and Jan to do, um, to do that sort of thing, to have their rigs and bits and bobs like that.

Steve Vaughan (31:53)
So I'll tell you what's the most useful thing I ever take to a wedding. A spare shirt.

Nick Church (31:55)
Yeah, go on.

Yeah. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (31:58)
you

Steve Vaughan (31:59)
Seriously.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (32:00)
dear, hold on, what's happened, what's happened, sorry.

Steve Vaughan (32:01)
We've lost Jan for a second.

Nick Church (32:03)
No, I tell you, I tell you one thing is, um, if we're to go off, off piste a little bit on camera stuff, like those, um, nature bars, you know, the, kind of ones that like, um, chipboard just because they, they really, you know, a couple of those, and if you miss a, if you miss a wedding meal or something, then you're, you're good on you after two of those. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (32:10)
Hmm.

yeah. Yeah.

They are like chipboard, aren't they?

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. And then another thing is that cable ties can be useful. Sometimes I want to just fasten something to something like a microphone to another microphone. You know, the, like the handheld mics they use. If I want to fasten their wireless mic to that, I just cable tie it on, that kind of thing. Nothing exciting really apart from that.

Nick Church (32:34)
Mm.

Yeah, sure, yeah.

It's think,

I wonder if I'm just, um, bit of a plank to be honest, because every time I've done, I had to do that. I'm always asking the staff and the bar, is there a elastic band or anything, a headband and not, and normally there's, there's a few more members of the hair band and I can use that, but that doesn't translate to me coming home and thinking, do you know what? I'm going to put some cable ties or some massive bands in my bag.

Steve Vaughan (32:56)
Exactly. Yeah.

So dear listener, press one if you think Nick is a plank, press two if you don't think Nick is a plank. No, that's not fair. Nothing else. don't think really. mean, Sam, I've got my bags down here. I'm not going to reach down, but Sam has got two of these little LED panels, which are about the size of a phone. I don't know he can get them now anymore.

but they're great. They're just really useful like on the dance floor or ⁓ yeah, yeah, not handheld. Yeah. ⁓

Nick Church (33:27)
Yeah. What handheld or, or hot shoe or cold shoe. Yeah. Cold shimmy. I've got a little go-docs

one actually. There's like a, a bit smaller than that, but you know, quite useful. I think because I don't do video anymore, really. Cause Yan Yan does, you know, I, I, I use Yan or if he's not available, a of other people, but normally it's Yan and he's got bags. You won't see him come from the car to the venues. Like sort of three trips normally. He three trips and stuff. So he's got plenty of stuff. I quite liked the fact that.

Steve Vaughan (33:35)
Right.

Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (33:53)
Right.

Nick Church (33:56)
I find that when we talked about this before about my process, but once I'm doing the bridal prep, you know, the preparation stuff once I've, and I'm juggling lenses and trying to drop them. once I've got rid of that, I've got my whole fast straps on with the two, the two cameras I need, the two lens. need a battery or Yann's battery to two SD cards. I feel very liberated in just having that stuff on me and not, and not having loads of additional additional stuff. Yeah. And you use an LED, an LED.

Steve Vaughan (34:02)
Mm.

Ha

Nah, I got you, yeah.

Is that right?

Nick Church (34:24)
light. What's that one that you use? You've got the big Godox ML 50s or 30 by yeah. Do you have any other lights? Have you got an on camera one?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (34:27)
What do you mean the mounted one?

ML... Yeah, yeah.

I've got like a little cube.

I've got one that I use for the dance floor. It's just like this. I can't remember the brand, it's maybe a small rig as well. Or yeah, similar to that, but it's like a little square thing. You could just put on the hot shoe or on the gimbal. It's pretty, pretty good. But for the rest, I don't use it for anything else. Yeah.

Nick Church (34:54)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (34:58)
This one's called by my company called Photics, obviously Chinese company. I agree about the videography, but also they're useful for photos as well. So when you're the ring shots, just to give a little bit of light for that, they're quite useful. And when we have got a videographer, we don't tend to use flash, certainly for first dance, to help the videographer out. So we might just get away with what... Yeah, well, you know, it's mutual.

Nick Church (35:08)
Mm.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (35:16)
wow, I need to work with you then.

Nick Church (35:19)
I'm glad you said it. was gonna make a similar comment.

I bet Jan's thinking that, but yeah, he said it.

Steve Vaughan (35:24)
Well, you've

either got a frame out or you've got to, you know, just put up with the camera flashing all the time. So ⁓ so it just gives a bit of bit of enough light just to lift,

Nick Church (35:29)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (35:33)
So

a

One of the things I always take to a wedding though, Nick, even if we're not doing video itself is the Osmo Pocket 3, the DJI thing, which I absolutely love. Have you got one? Have you used one?

Nick Church (35:46)
Yeah. And Scott, a couple that we, that he uses for weddings, but yeah, I don't have one. ⁓ I've the only thing I had close to that was a GoPro, which I've now got rid of just didn't use it, but, but yeah, the quality is loads better on the Osmo than, than my GoPro.

Steve Vaughan (35:51)
Okay.

Right.

I mean,

I've used it for the, you know, the sort of limited amount of wedding videography we do, but one of things I'm trying to do is get a bit fitter at the moment, because I'm rid of a lard backside, and you said a naughty word. So I'm trying to do some walking and on Saturday in this heat, I walked 12 and a half miles. And there's a track I'm trying to do, which is called the Oxfordshire Way. Now, it's not some old Roman road or anything like that. It's been dreaded by Oxfordshire County Council, I think, but it basically links

Nick Church (36:21)
Mm-hmm.

Steve Vaughan (36:28)
Cotswolds to the Chilterns. it starts in Borton on the water, which is actually Gloucestershire, and goes all the way down to Henley-on-Thames and it's 65 miles in total. So I'm trying to do it in bite-size chunks.

Nick Church (36:31)
nice, but that's some pretty, yeah.

You know, if you walk around

brought on the water, the model village doesn't count. You have to walk around the actual whole place. That's where there's a model village in it. But on the water. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (36:48)
Okay, no, it was a starting point. It did, is a model village here. That wasn't part of the walk.

So I use an app called Komoot Have you heard of that one?

Nick Church (36:58)
I

have, yeah, because, um, yeah, yeah, we do, uh, uh, regularly kind of just go for walks and try and find one that ends up or starts at a pub. Normally ends up at a pub and it's great. Really good. Yeah. It works really well.

Steve Vaughan (37:07)
Yeah.

It's fabulous because you can record your walk, but also it tells you where to turn and where to go and things. I did that on Saturday and I took the Osmo Pocket 3 and I did a load of vlogging and I even took the drone. I got the drone following me across the path because one of these days I am going to put some stuff on YouTube, whether it will be this walk, I don't know, but I actually quite enjoy doing it, whether I actually use anything with it, but it makes the walk quicker if that makes sense. Cause you're thinking about stuff and

Nick Church (37:13)
Yeah.

Mm.

Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (37:35)
you know, talking to yourself and what have you.

Nick Church (37:38)
And it's time, it?

It's something that you're doing and then, and then you see going for a nice walk and that's two hours where you could be doing, where you can also do some photography or videography or something else, which otherwise would take up two hours in the afternoon or a busy day or whatever else, you know? So it's, I think it's, yeah, it's a idea.

Steve Vaughan (37:48)
Exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

So the only thing about this walk is that it's a linear walk, obviously. So I had to get a taxi bug to wear apart the car that cost me 40 quid. So that was a bit painful. But I'm going to try and do a bit more of it this weekend. the weather allows. don't have a, we've got quite July for weddings. We get bonkers in August. So I've got most of time this weekend.

Nick Church (38:00)
Yeah.

Hmm. Yeah, I think I've got, ⁓

one wedding this weekend and then then we're off for a week, to Ireland and do some good walks there as well. But yeah, I had, you talk, talk about your health kick. I had a, you know, you get your M.A.T. don't you when you're 50 at the doctors. So I had my M.A.T. and it was all right. It wasn't bad. but she said my cholesterol is, is, is fine. It's all right.

Steve Vaughan (38:17)
So we should.

Yeah, I just about remember it.

Nick Church (38:33)
But the balance between bad cholesterol and good cholesterol isn't great. yeah, so she just, so she said, it's easy to do. You just got to, you know, not eat too much cheese or pastry or butter. I basically just described my, my, my diet.

Steve Vaughan (38:46)
All the fun stuff. ⁓

You won't live any longer Nick, it'll just seem like it. Yeah, it's important actually. I've got a few years ahead of you, mate. So it's important just to, you know, just to make sure the old bits and pieces are working as well as they can really. So, so yeah, I mean, back to this Ricoh, I'm looking at it really, I'm in a dilemma because in all seriousness, I am thinking of flogging the A7R4 and BidenR5. ⁓

Nick Church (38:52)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Steve Vaughan (39:13)
But bear in mind, we're going to wind the business up in a couple of years time. I don't really want that sort of sitting on the books really. So I might have to flog this to finance it really, which would be a shame because it's a lovely little camera. That would be our three expert. Do I use it on which?

Nick Church (39:25)
But just sometimes a

bit of kit just doesn't fit, it? isn't what, you know, just doesn't occupy a useful space. And I've had to get rid this stuff before. think, well, I've really, you know, I, I sold my Mini 3 to Jan actually. Um, and I was really disappointed, but I thought I'm not using it. Doesn't matter how you disappoint, so can get rid of it. There's no point in just sitting in the cupboard.

Steve Vaughan (39:29)
No, we're just fit to work.

No, exactly. We should put on the list, by the way, that we have lost Jan temporarily. He's got a bit of a camera issue, so I hope he's going to rejoin us at some stage. So if you are listening in audio only mode, it's just Nick and I for a little while. I think the hot weather has been a bit too much for his camera. So just Nick and I, reporting on.

Nick Church (40:01)
our Colombian

listeners will be enraged.

Steve Vaughan (40:06)
They'll be rolling on the floor laughing more like. Yeah, absolutely. The other camera that we did actually acquire recently, I mentioned to it was the one that my wife bought me for Christmas. The one made a Lego and she's finished it. She's actually finished it, would you believe? There you go. Look at that. Yeah. Cause I got bored with it. She sat and done it today. She's obviously got nothing better to do. It's a Nikon. There you go. And look at that. A Nikon camera. Look at that.

Nick Church (40:08)
Yeah, probably.

yes. Really?

Look at that.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (40:30)
Wow, that's amazing.

Steve Vaughan (40:34)
the you put the film in. Yeah, look at that. Yeah. it's obviously a great camera because it doesn't go an aperture ring. It's got two shutter speed rings. I think, well, no, it's a Lego camera, Nick. Don't get too carried away.

Nick Church (40:35)
XT6 there, right there.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (40:38)
Does that actually work?

Nick Church (40:43)
I got into a, is it a film camera?

Yeah, but you presumably

could make a camera out of Lego that takes film if you had a proper lens in it.

Steve Vaughan (40:51)
You

might have a problem with light proof, can see it, could all that stuff, can't we? Jan's back. No problem.

Nick Church (40:54)
Hmm. I had a, I get into,

you get into debates on Facebook sometimes in some groups. there was a, a post from, a guy in a beginner's group saying about how I it's ridiculous that beginners don't realize that ISO has got nothing to do with, on a film, it lets more light in and it's not, it's not the same as I saw. I saw in a film is not analogous to ISO. I said, absolutely isn't analogous.

Steve Vaughan (41:00)
God,

Because

it is.

Nick Church (41:20)
Got into

this debate and it ended up talking about crystal size of ISO 400 film versus 100 film. And it was the most bizarre discussion I've ever had. said, that's all fine. But you're the, in terms of everyone else, from where everyone else concerned, ISO on film, a higher ISO film is more sensitive. It's recording more light. The sensor using, the sensor doesn't record more light. It's just, all right. I said, okay, so the gain is increased.

Steve Vaughan (41:41)
sensitive to light. Yeah, yeah, of course this, yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (41:43)
Yeah.

Nick Church (41:49)
whatever, and on the image ends up with more, with more light and the same from the beginning of point, man, it was a weird discussion. No technically chemical, you know, chemical based, photography discussion I've ever had. ⁓

Steve Vaughan (41:51)
⁓ Exactly. ⁓

Yeah.

Well, I assume you have a chemistry

degree. I have to say that's completely relevant. So we did explain to the dear listener, that we had a technical problem with you. great to have you back. One of the things that Nick was singing the praises of, and in fact he may well steal from you next time you work together, is your little microphones, your stick-on microphones. So why don't you tell the listener about those?

Nick Church (42:04)
Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (42:10)
Sorry about that, yeah.

⁓

yes. I use two now. So I've used the Sony TX650s, which are these little things. So I've got four of them. Actually, tell a lie, I've got five of them. I just bought another one. It's just cause the other day I had eight speeches and yeah. So just, these are just great for just quickly clipping in. Not the best sound quality. ⁓ Cause I use

Steve Vaughan (42:26)
Yep. Yeah, they're great. I've got a couple of them. Yeah.

Wow. Right.

Yeah, they are.

Nick Church (42:45)
No, it's not great.

Steve Vaughan (42:45)
They're good enough though.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (42:47)
do yeah, it's good enough. Good enough. Even if you EQ it a bit is fantastic. ⁓ But I use this is the one I'm actually wearing now. This is the Holy Land, Holy Land lark. So

Nick Church (42:51)
Mm.

Steve Vaughan (42:51)
Mm.

Nick Church (42:55)
That's, yeah.

Holy land, yeah. ⁓

Steve Vaughan (43:00)
⁓ so they're the ones that around

that you get like a smiley face on if you want to.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (43:04)
Yeah, yes. So this one is actually, they've brought out a new one. So this one has got a little clip so you can actually clip it like that. And it's so discreet. It's really good.

Nick Church (43:14)
so that's the, cause

Steve Vaughan (43:14)
Cool.

Nick Church (43:15)
it used to be a two part thing, didn't it? Like a magnetic second, but I imagine people were losing those and that's why they've created the loop, but they're, really good sound quality. That was quite similar in sound quality to the, wireless row two that I sometimes use for recording, but much smaller. Cause I remember we, we, did that wedding, where you, put it on a, she was holding her reading, wasn't she? You just put it on there.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (43:18)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah I remember that one, yeah.

Nick Church (43:39)
And it's light enough that it wasn't

weighing down the thing and you couldn't see it in the footage. was great.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (43:44)
Yeah, I know the quality of it is, yeah, heaps beyond. Now it's just stream, so you just get this little, I can't show you because it's plugged in, I'm using it now. So you get a little receiver, just put it on a hot shoe, then it just goes into the jack.

Steve Vaughan (43:47)
Does that one record internally though or is it just a streaming one?

Nick Church (44:02)
Are you using the backup? Yeah, when you use that, just in case of any.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (44:05)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. Having a...

Nick Church (44:07)
Cause you've got, you've already got your,

what's that bigger one that goes on the table with the two, the stereo one. don't you? Task cam.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (44:10)
So I don't actually use it anymore. I found it. just never almost,

oh yeah, almost never use the screen from that. Every time I'm editing a multi-cam, that one just gets discarded. So I was just like, well, why am I bringing it then? So yeah, I just use the TX650 or 660s. And then I use these as well.

Steve Vaughan (44:25)
Yeah.

So we do

basic wedding videography. We won't claim to be videographers, but we'll do a fairly linear wedding film. So we'll record the speeches, ceremony, all that kind of stuff. And I'm in a number of Facebook groups as well, perhaps not the strangest ones as you are, Nick, we're still. And a lot of photographers are now talking about hybrid, doing photo and video at the same time. And I think the one thing, and I'm sure you'd agree with this, the thing that you all seem to underestimate is audio.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (44:45)
and

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah, audio can make or break a film and you can have awesome footage. But if it's, you know, horrible sound quality and sounds tinny, then it just lets it down. But you can have some all right footage and great sound quality and it just becomes automatically elevated so you can absolutely audio is a key part.

Nick Church (45:22)
I think especially true

if, people are using the, um, the Sony without, without knowledge of how they might EQ it or compress it to get a better sound. And cause the default thing is pretty, you know, it's like a, like 1970 telephone in it, unless you, but it's got the dynamic range that it's got the data there. So once EQ'd, can get it sounding decent, but

Steve Vaughan (45:30)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (45:41)
Yeah,

can record in wave in the pretty high, decent bit rates as opposed to MP3. ⁓ And yeah, you can pull back.

Steve Vaughan (45:42)
But I think also just the important, sorry, go ahead.

Nick Church (45:48)
Mm.

Steve Vaughan (45:48)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, completely. I think also just the importance

of having backups of audio as well, and backups of backups is something we learned really early on as well. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (45:56)
God, yeah,

yeah, 100%. I've had it before where, cause usually what I do is I put these TX650s or the wireless ones, I put it on the handheld mic that the venue uses just cause they're going to be speaking into that. So, so, you know, it'd be good to have it attached to the microphone. I've had a wedding the other day, where I also mic'd the groom up.

Nick Church (46:10)
Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (46:22)
with a TX650 in his pocket. I'm glad I did because he started his speech and then after 30 seconds he was like, you know what, can't be bothered to use this mic. And he just slammed on the table and I was like, well, I can't really step in and say, you need to use the mic or people take their jackets off. And yeah, yeah, yeah. So I always stood.

Steve Vaughan (46:29)
Wow.

Nick Church (46:30)
That's the joke, Mid-speech, yeah. Or they'll take the jacket off. Yeah, that's the classic, isn't it?

Steve Vaughan (46:38)
So the ones we use

are the DJI mic twos, which come in a nice little box. And when I first got them, I thought they sound terrible, but they come with a low cut filter applied automatically. And when you switch that off and then they sound all right. But they came in handy the last wedding we video because there was like a production team there, would you believe there was like a slideshow running and the Vika was all mic'd up and everything. And the guy looked at me and said,

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (46:45)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (47:08)
you're not using any wireless microphones at all. You're not, you're not allowed to use anything wireless. Okay. So I had a TX650 for the, for the Vicar, but nothing else. But with these ones, you can switch off the wireless. They can just use them as recorders. So I just use that as a recorder and it got me out of a hole. And the other thing I like about it as well, there's an adapter. So it goes straight onto the Sony hot shoe. So it works as a digital mic. So you don't have to mess about with the cables and audio levels.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (47:17)
Yeah.

okay, that's clever. Yeah.

Yeah.

Right, right. Yeah, I've heard about that. Yeah, because

Nick Church (47:35)
it's powered off there.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (47:35)
it

Nick Church (47:36)
it connects into the IC. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, like, like the wireless game. So it's like a wireless go and a a solid state recorder as well.

Steve Vaughan (47:36)
Yeah, it connects into it. Yeah, so it's a digital straight into the

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (47:40)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (47:45)
No, not quite because you know on the Sony Hotshoe, it's a multi-interface Hotshoe. So there's audio connections there as well. That's why I always... Yeah. Correct. Yeah. That's why I always keep the Hotshoe covers in my cameras because if the rain gets into them, it fries them here.

Nick Church (47:50)
Yeah.

I see. I'm with you rather than actually needing that second cable going in. I'm with you. Sorry. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (47:56)
You don't need a jack. Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Church (48:03)
Every

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (48:04)
Yeah.

Nick Church (48:04)
time I go, I'm a photography show. Um, I always speak to road to say how mad is that the wireless go to record. Cause it has got recording looping in it, which has got good seven hours of recording. It just loops and it overrides itself unless you turn it off, it would just keep going. And it just seems like such a crazy, a single setting in there. Say they've got loads of settings just to turn that off. So that when it runs out of space,

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (48:23)
Right, right, right.

Nick Church (48:32)
It just stops recording the number of times you back. And luckily I've checked every time I get home. I think I've just recorded the journey back in the car for two hours. But if I not checked it, then I recorded me snoring through the night and then looping over the footage I've recorded in the day is really risky. Oh God.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (48:43)
you

Steve Vaughan (48:49)
You're recording you singing along to Pilger, I'm in the car as you're driving along, yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (48:52)
Yeah,

the TX650s, they're notorious for that. You just have to look at the record button. The amount of times I look, come back at the end of the day and I see the little red light, it's like, for God's sake, another three hour clip. It's so easy to switch on.

Steve Vaughan (49:05)
You ⁓

Nick Church (49:06)
I do know what stresses me about stresses

me out about those six fifties is that the record light is quite dim, isn't it? Which they've done intentionally. So it's not too prominent on footage, but you're looking through a camera and you're looking at the groom or the bride thinking, is that on? I can't, I can't tell from here if that red lights on it. just, you almost like say, you know, you pretend it on, but you have to, I've got to go and have a check just in case. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (49:14)
Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (49:21)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Been there. Yeah.

every every time and

one of you know our mutual colleagues Nick Nicola who we work to you know work with a lot she she started doing something recently so I was working she was second shooting for me and she's also had her tx 650 with her and she was saying tx 650 a on

I was like, what are you doing? Is that why you're saying that? was like, yeah, it's just something I do. I know it sounds slightly strange. But it's just something I do just so you know, you've switched it on, so you don't go... Yeah, exactly, exactly that. And what I do is, well, I don't know if this is standard practice, but I do, and it's a game changer. Every time I start recording, I just say, Caroline and Oliver speeches, best man.

Nick Church (50:00)
Yeah. Like if you write something down and you're more like to remember it, if you just scribble it down, if you say it out loud, it's going to,

Steve Vaughan (50:05)
That's right. That's exactly right.

Yeah, I did that. Yeah. Yeah.

Nick Church (50:19)
Yeah. ⁓

Steve Vaughan (50:19)
Vick and Mike. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (50:19)
and then I lock it, yeah exactly, and you don't have to go listening through, know,

look at a file name with just some random numbers and just guess what it is, and yeah, just a life hack.

Steve Vaughan (50:31)
Yeah, and one things we were talking

about when we lost you temporarily, I was talking about how, which I love the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 and Nick was saying you use them as well now. They're great, aren't they? They are fantastic.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (50:41)
Absolutely. I've got one here. Yeah.

These are like the game changer. They just replace a full camera, static camera for me. I don't really use them as much as for the gimbal capabilities. I use it as a static camera, just on a light stand for speeches, for ceremonies, just because they're so light and low profile and you can control them via phone. So you can literally tilt it or check focus and monitor it.

Steve Vaughan (50:49)
Yep.

Yeah, ⁓ perfect. Yeah.

Nick Church (50:58)
It's so slim, isn't it?

Steve Vaughan (51:04)
Mm.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (51:09)
if you know remotely which is which is so handy yeah

Steve Vaughan (51:10)
Yeah, they're amazing bits of kit really.

Nick Church (51:12)
That, um,

that, that wedding we're doing, um, in a month or two young, um, that booked recently, she was a little bit worried about when I talked about additional camera angles and stuff about having lots of, lots of cameras set up. And I think. I suspect a lot of people are not imagining that even if she looked at this camera way seven forward 35 bill, she'd imagine that it's more imagine she's thinking like a big shoulder about your thing. So I can't remember what I can't, what I use, but I use something of a similar excitement. Got one.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (51:19)
Mm-hmm.

Steve Vaughan (51:37)
Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (51:37)
Yeah,

yeah, yeah.

Nick Church (51:41)
So of a, of a similar size, so this is literally just this on a single pole next to a pillar or a wall. know, you're not going to, you're literally not going to see it. They've they're really good.

Steve Vaughan (51:47)
Yep.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (51:49)
Yeah, true. Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (51:49)
Yeah, that's what I use it for as well. Yeah.

⁓

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (51:52)
I use use monopods for static camera. I know it's risky, but the monopods I got some Manfrotto knockoffs, but they're they've got like the massive feet so you can quite as long as you don't like rugby tackle them, they will stay upright. know the Manfrotto ones, they're brilliant, but the ones I've used in the past, they do tend to be quite unstable and

Nick Church (52:06)
Mm.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (52:15)
you know, even if you give it a tiny little touch, it will just fall face blunt, know, lens broken. These ones I got, they got really, yeah. But yeah, the...

Nick Church (52:21)
Yeah, couldn't be luckier myself.

Steve Vaughan (52:27)
Massive feet, eh? Sounds like my stepson. 17, my stepson.

Nick Church (52:30)
My stepson's got massive feet as well. Oh, right. Wow. God,

it's not that.

Steve Vaughan (52:35)
I don't know how to translate to in American sizes, which is pretty big. I could probably get one and a of my feet in this. It's one of the issues. Six, seven.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (52:39)
well.

Nick Church (52:41)
Good Lord, that's, how tall is he?

Right, so he's, yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (52:45)
Jeez.

Steve Vaughan (52:46)
He's big lad, he's Sam's oldest lad and yet they think he'd be a great rugby player but if he was four feet away from me I chucked a tennis ball at him, he'd drop it four times out of five.

Nick Church (52:54)
God,

what a unit. She seems so slight. Isn't she? Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (52:59)
He is, yeah. Yeah. Don't go drinking with him. Yeah. No comment. She might be listening, darling.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (53:02)
you

Steve Vaughan (53:06)
One last thing before we wrap up. One last thing that we couldn't be without then at a wedding, whether we're photographing or videoing, you know, could be a bit of gear, could be anything. One last thing that we absolutely must not leave home without. What would that be?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (53:18)
So for

me, it's this little thing, is called a, what is it called? An art sack. I know it sounds a bit dodgy, but it's it's a, just like a bum bag really. It's got little compartments. It's put batteries in there. And then here, you got loads of space inside. I put my TX650s and all those things in compartments. can put flash guns in there. You can put.

Steve Vaughan (53:28)
What the hell is that?

what a super idea.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (53:47)
extra lenses in there and really great. Yeah, I wear it all day. It's like a waste bag. Yeah, it's called Artsack. But yeah, think Eunice, my wife, she had a recommendation from just seeing someone on Instagram and it's like, oh, what's that? Yeah, we'll have that. Thank you. And yeah.

Steve Vaughan (53:49)
And you wear that all day do you?

Okay.

Just to check,

as this is a family-friendly show, are you saying ARSC sack or R sack? R sack, okay.

Nick Church (54:10)
ART, A-R-T, isn't it?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (54:11)
It's art. A-R-T.

Art. So A-R-T-S-A-C. There we go. Yeah, I know it's...

Steve Vaughan (54:18)
Because she said bomb bag a minute ago, so I wasn't sure.

That looks really useful. Send me the details of that and I'll put a link to that in the show notes. That looks really something else I need to buy there. Nick, what about you?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (54:25)
Yeah, they're really great.

Nick Church (54:30)
Um, it would be, I was thinking the, the, the two things that I couldn't, would really struggle to live with it would live without would be my 35 mil lens, which is why that was such a choker when, when I dropped it at the start of the wedding and it's absolutely fine. may do because it worked it. Um, large app, small rapidures was fine. So F F four upwards was absolutely fine. Really sharp. So, but if that had damaged to a point where.

It didn't work at all. I would have been really struggling. thought, oh, I'll just go with 24, but there's such a massive difference. Isn't that 24 to 35? It's like a completely different. Yeah. I thought I can't, I wouldn't be able to do it. It's a certain look, but it's, it doesn't fit what my eyes are looking for. You, I think, great shot. Put the 24 on. So I doesn't, it doesn't look as I want it. So, so that, that, that would have been, so I think, and I've got a Sony.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (55:05)
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. No, agree.

Steve Vaughan (55:05)
there is. Yeah. If only they made a decent

28 Sony. I wish they made a decent 28. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (55:22)
Yeah, it's all got its niche.

Nick Church (55:27)
1.8, you know, the F just the F E lens. And I've, I've started putting that in the bag as a, as a result of that. If at least I could have the right focal length. The other thing is my hold fast trap. If that broke off or I forgot it, that's the only other thing I haven't got redundancy in. So I would really struggle then to be, to have, you know, and I as experience shows, if I'm handling cameras manually all day, I am going to drop them. It's just a question of at what point and on what surface and the last couple of times it seems to pretty hard surfaces, unfortunately.

Steve Vaughan (55:29)
Yeah, yeah, which is a fine lens, yeah.

Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (55:38)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (55:43)
Hmm.

Interesting.

Yeah. Okay. So for me then, having been accused of breaking tripod sockets is these things, the Blackmagic, Blackmagic Spider clips. They just go on my belt and then the pin, the pin goes in the tripod and then straight into there. So, I mean, the cameras I'm using are probably a bit heavy for these really. They were great with the Fuji's, but you just put them through your belt loop there and they just click in. Once I missed and I dropped the camera, I dropped the camera a few years ago.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (56:05)
wow, that's good.

Nick Church (56:09)
Okay.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (56:09)
Yeah.

Steve Vaughan (56:22)
but otherwise they've been bulletproof and they're about 50 quid each and you just put them on a normal belt.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (56:26)
Wow.

Nick Church (56:27)
Bye.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (56:27)
Yeah, I've got one of the spider holsters. I didn't know you could get... All right.

Steve Vaughan (56:31)
I don't think they make these ones anymore, no, the plastic ones.

But they're great. mean, now I've got a belly. They pull my trousers down, but that's another story. ⁓

Nick Church (56:40)
Yeah, that's

what I find, that's what the holdfast isn't.

Steve Vaughan (56:43)
Yeah, I don't like all fast.

I feel like someone had a Mad Max with those on. ⁓

Nick Church (56:46)
Yeah, it does

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (56:46)
You

Nick Church (56:47)
get comments and they're not always the right sort of comments.

Steve Vaughan (56:51)
And the other thing is just my peak design cuff, which I just put on my wrist. Cause if I'm, when we're doing like drinks and nibbles time and stuff, I'm just wandering around with one camera and I just quite like having that camera in my hand. And then I know if I drop it, I'll let Nick Church. ⁓ It's going to be safe. Yeah. Spot it. You can have your own version. You can have your own brand new version of these Nick. You can have your name on them. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (56:55)
yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're good. I used them.

Nick Church (56:55)
yeah, yeah.

Hmm. Yeah, if you a Nick Church on it.

I tell you what, doesn't make a blind bit difference. You don't go on your, on your wrist. That Fuji had that, and it was connected to a neoprene case and you know, there we go. Yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (57:13)
I'll get personalized one.

Steve Vaughan (57:20)
There go.

Yeah, so we should probably wrap this up. So, Jan, it's been great having you with us, Jan. I know you had some technical challenges. That's podcasting. That's what happens. Yeah. So it'd great to work with you as well. Now, you know, I add you to the list of videographers that we know, we can recommend as well, because you're not too far away from us as well. And perhaps we can all get together and geek out over a beer sometime. Yeah. Well, let's, my daughter's...

Nick Church (57:25)
Yes.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (57:27)
Yeah, no, thank you for having me.

Yes.

Thank you very much. Yeah. Amazing.

Nick Church (57:40)
Yeah.

sounds good. Yeah. That's the trouble, isn't

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (57:43)
Absolutely, no, I'm up for that, yeah, 100%.

Nick Church (57:47)
it? With, with sort of, professional friendships where you chat on messenger or WhatsApp and then work together is that it's sometimes quite nice to actually just go out and have a beer and socialize, you know, cause we're the same Steve. It'd be nice to have, you know, more, more times to catch up and, although we are going to do a live, a live pod one day, aren't we?

Steve Vaughan (57:58)
It would be, yeah. Well, my daughter's in Bristol.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (57:59)
yeah that's it

Steve Vaughan (58:04)
Yeah. That's the same.

Well, we're just, that's just a comment. We had this idea before we started today about actually doing this podcast live. was talking about e-cam earlier. So potentially we could do the podcast live. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, the Maracanã stadium in Brazil, who knows? Yeah. Yeah. I wish I wish. Well, I'm sure we've got listeners there now. We've got listeners in Bogota. So why not here? So dear listener, if you've enjoyed this show today, then thank you for listening to us. We do appreciate it.

Nick Church (58:14)
at Wembley Arena, wasn't it?

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (58:18)
No.

Nick Church (58:22)
Come to Brazil. We will.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (58:23)
Yeah.

Sounds good.

Nick Church (58:28)
We got quite a few in Brazil, yeah.

Jan Willem Van Konijnenburg (58:31)
Nice.

Steve Vaughan (58:35)
Don't forget to give us a review on Spotify or Google or Apple iTunes. It does help us in lots of wonderful ways. We are on YouTube now as well. You know, we do have a bit of backlog on the editing because Nick and I both work in photographers and editing YouTube videos just take time, but they will go up on YouTube as and when we get the chance to do so. If you have any comments about the show, we'd love to hear from you. can podcast, can email the podcast, shall I say, or you can just contact us through any of our socials.

Don't forget there's also a Facebook group just called the photography pod imaginatively, where we hang out, talk about lots of different things. And you're very, very welcome to join us if you'd like to join us there as well, particularly if you're listening to us in one of those obscure places around the world that we mentioned earlier today.

Nick Church (59:12)
Yeah, that'd be nice. That'd be lovely to hear,

hear someone from around the world. The, get in touch also through email at studio at the photography pod.co.uk. And, what was I going to say about the YouTube? what, what, if you subscribe to the channel, it's just the photography job pod, the photography pod. If you subscribe to it, then you will know when I, when I get around to doing it, but it's a double bonus because the more people that subscribe to the more likely and the more impetus I'm going to get to do it. So if I see people subscribing, then I'm.

Steve Vaughan (59:39)
Absolutely.

Nick Church (59:41)
get my bombing gear a lot quicker. ⁓ but I'm, I'm, I've got the, and he's got the footage from J's from last week. So I'll get that one up and I'm to work backwards and kind of come at it from two directions. So we that they'd all end up on there.

Steve Vaughan (59:42)
Love it.

Great stuff. Looking forward to it, Nick. Thanks for that, We'll be back in a couple of weeks, dear listener. But in the meantime, happy shooting out there and we'll talk to you soon.

Nick Church (1:00:01)
Bye.