Justin Blackwell and Ella Hubbard of Blackwell Innovations and Nooga Brands discuss finish carpentry, accent lighting, and moving to Chattanooga, TN.

In this engaging episode of the Build Something Media Podcast, our host Justin Bethune welcomes two multi-talented individuals, Justin Blackwell and Ella Hubbard, into the studio to dive deep into their diverse crafts and extraordinary experiences. Justin Blackwell, a seasoned finished carpenter renowned for his custom cabinetry and trim work, and Ella Hubbard, a skilled electrician with a flair for web development and low-voltage projects, share insights into their unique professional paths and personal lives.

The conversation kicks off with Justin Blackwell's fascinating backstage stories from working on major projects with celebrities like Taylor Swift and Lil Wayne, providing a rare glimpse into the fast-paced entertainment world. His anecdotes about the surprising realities of celebrity life, including a memorable encounter with Lil Wayne, are both humorous and revealing.

Ella Hubbard brings a different perspective to the table, highlighting her journey from union electrician to an innovative web developer and electrician focusing on accent lighting for custom woodwork. Her transition story, marked by adaptability and continuous learning, showcases the possibilities within the realm of craftsmanship and technology.

As the discussion unfolds, both guests open up about their collaborative work and the creation of Blackwell Innovations, a venture born from their mutual passion for craftsmanship and design. They share the challenges and triumphs of their projects, from replacing windows in an apartment complex to meticulously crafting a mahogany bar, illustrating the dedication and precision that define their work.

Diving into personal stories, Justin and Ella recount their move from Nebraska to Chattanooga, Tennessee, driven by a love for the area's natural beauty and a desire for new beginnings. Their plans for an aquaponics garden, combining their interests in gardening and sustainable living, highlight their ongoing quest for growth and exploration.

As the episode wraps up, our guests share their contact information and invite listeners to connect with them on social media to follow their ongoing projects and adventures. This episode of the Build Something Media Podcast not only celebrates the art of building and creating but also the fascinating stories of those who dedicate their lives to their crafts.

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 All right, ladies and gentlemen, stand up and put your hands together for the build something media podcast. And here's your host, Justin  Bethune.  All right. Welcome to the show guys. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Chris, you want to introduce our guests? Today we have Justin Blackwell and Ella Hubbard.

Please tell us what you guys do. I'm a finished carpenter. Mostly I focus on carpentry. Custom cabinets and trim and you know, any artistic kind of stuff that involves wood, I guess. I'm an electrician mostly low voltage, and I'm also a web developer. I do a little bit of coding and a little bit of, like, Just general development.

I run a media kind of branding agency. I do a lot of graphic design, things like that. I work mostly with Adobe illustrator, things like that.  Cool. Yeah. All right. So we'll, let's go into, cause we've had a few conversations via text, I think all of us. And so Justin, I'm going to start with you because one of the things that kind of stuck out to me is that you said that you worked on major projects. 

Yeah, a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very fast paced environment when you're backstage for Taylor Swift or Lil Wayne or whatever and You know, when you get used to that couple of years of just constant go, go, go, you kind of just hold onto that part  and take it into your future. And it definitely keeps me learning and growing.

Cause I'm constantly trying to be better than myself, faster than myself, you know, than I was yesterday or whatever, but. That's what I've taken from that, mostly. You got any, any cool stories, anything that, that happened that, that you remember just, that just stands out? Yeah. One story I always tell is about Lil Wayne you know, you'd think he was an average sized guy or whatever, but he's shorter than she is, you know, and you're, when you're standing there with his coat backstage, it's this big, long white coat with fur on it.

And both of his best friends are eight feet tall standing there next to you. And he comes down, they put that coat on him and the thing drags behind him. And  it's just crazy how. Celebrities, you know, live their lives. Yeah  Yeah, they kind of are yeah in their own little bubble. Mm hmm. Yeah, exactly He doesn't see anything that's going on except for when he's getting his coat and going off to his car, you know  And so did you know justin when that's when he was doing that part of his no, no has he told you any crazy stories that he's not telling us right now?

Is that something that you can share with us? He's got a lot of crazy stories. Kind of kind of in like all of all realms he did a lot of work in, like, museums and commercial work and things like that, but I think most of his crazy stories are from Residential. It gets pretty crazy. He, I, yeah, he's kind of done just about  everything.

He's worked with some, some big names and some things like that. He's worked with some bigger like cabinetry companies and things like that. But I think his craziest story has come from just his, his maintenance days. Well, let's see. Well, then let's hear about that.  We were we were changing out windows in this whole apartment complex, right?

So 600 windows or whatever. It took us two and a half months or something. And there was this one lady, you know, everybody gets notices 24 hours before we get to their apartment or whatever. And this one lady just ignored it, waited for us to pull the window out of the wall and came running up to the window yelling at us, telling us we were breaking in and stuff, saying she was calling the police and everything, and it's just You knew we were coming, lady, we're sorry.

You know, we try to be nice to those people, but some people just are having bad days. Imagine feeling like you, like that lady, and she's maybe not I didn't even realize that it was about to happen. And suddenly the windows are being ripped from her home. Yeah. 

She was standing there in a robe and thing, you know, middle of cooking, we interrupted her cooking or whatever.  It must've been terrifying. Typically not how someone's going to break in.  They just took my whole window out. She thought it was a demon.  Yanking the window out. Yeah. But you know, by the end of the day, she was happy that we were there cause we put a way better window in there and she could, you know, and she took her medication, right?

Yeah. She had a break. Yeah. She took a break. But yeah, you know oftentimes when you go into those people's apartments, they're not happy that you're there because you're only there to fix something, right. You know that's already been ruining their lives, bad stove or a water heater or something.

So you fix those things and then they're your best friend by the time you're walking out the door. Hopefully. You know, they're your best friend,  you're, you're providing value and solving a problem. And that's, that's a big deal for people. Yeah. Yeah. And it, it uproots their lives too. Cause they got to take off work just to be there for you to get in and things like that too.

So, yep. Yeah. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says, I'm so excited to have my windows changed. Right. Yeah, exactly. There's a guy who owns a window replacement and franchise.  Nobody's like, I'm so glad you're here.  Yeah. Especially the tenants. Yeah, exactly. They hate you. Yeah. They don't want the window replaced anyways.

You know, took off the day from work to make sure you're not messing with their stuff. Will you please get out of my house? No, you can't use my bathroom. Right. We're trying, we're trying to get out for sure.  So, so tell me about the, so you do, you're in the woodworking. Yes. So let's go into that. And like, I know that, that I've seen at least pictures.

Yeah. Of some of the more detailed and, and like expert craftsman type work you were mostly interested in that, that bar that I'd done, right? I, well, that was one of them. I mean, I've, you've, you've posted several things and it's, it's impressive. So. Yeah. I I definitely wanted to talk about that bar.

It was all mahogany, which is a really unforgiving wood to work with. And you know, when you're alone in a mall and you got millions of dollars worth of wood there that you're setting yourself, you take a lot of pride in making sure that you're doing it right. And I had a few apprentices there too, but I definitely finished it on my own because I wanted to make sure it was perfect, you know, because we're limited on budget when you're doing a mall commercial job like that.

So, so in your mind, what, what does it, what does it mean to do it right?  You know, cut twice or measure twice, three times, three times, cut twice, really, you know? And As long as you're patient with yourself, you can normally get a pretty perfect job.  Yeah. Yeah. When you go, when you go looking for the wood, cause you said you had access to like a really big catalog of, of, of, I guess, I don't know where you even go to get wood sawmill.

I don't know. Usually the woods, the woods. Yeah. Thanks. That's where we start trees. They literally grow from the ground. But you know, you know what I mean? Like wherever it is that you go to select it, what? Like, what do you do? What, what process do you go through when you select your, the pieces that you're going to use?

Well, you look for damages first, you know make sure things are straight and not bowed or crowned or anything too. And that's mostly with trim, you know, with sheet goods and stuff. You're making sure the same thing mostly, but the quality of what's in the middle of it is always something you want to look at too.

I mean,  you just got to get real close and personal with every piece as you pluck it out of the, You know, the library, right. Each piece, even if you're there to get 60 two by fours, you've got to look at every single one of those two by fours. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's why we spend three hours at Lowe's every time we go to get lumber.

I don't order my wood online. They always want to push you to order stuff online.  That's how you get the worst stuff. Even rough framing. Yeah. They will send you garbage. Yeah. Broken stuff too. Yeah. We're sending 20%. Yeah. We're sending 20 percent of it back every single time. Yup. Now, now from a, from, from someone who's watching him do this stuff can you add on to some of the things that he does that he may not even necessarily know that he's doing that you, that you kind of spot him doing?

Oh my god, he does everything. So so he's an eagle scout. He doesn't like to mention it. But also a long time ago when I got Yeah, it's still hard to do I got it at 15  And that's also impressive. So so it's demonstrated ability is what that is. Yeah  yeah yeah, it's it's crazy because I I grew up differently than he did, you know, he's from a military family.

You Eagle Scout very like he's always telling me slow is fast. You know, all, all of these things. He's very patient. He's very like, meticulous about the way that he does it. And I think from an outside perspective, it's, it's really kind of cool to watch. Cause you can kind of see like,  that he obviously loves what he's doing, but he's also like kind of,  unaware of how good he is at it. 

I, I I'm good at math, but I'm not good at geometry. I was not good at trigonometry, the, the shapes and the angles they're lost in me. I could, I could spit electrical theory out, you know, I can, I can talk to you about Calculus before I could talk to you about a shape. Honestly yeah, that thing. So, yeah, I'm always kind of in awe and then I come in and I do my little light stuff and I feel like You know just it pales in comparison to the stuff that that he manages to kind of spit out and  I I've seen him work off of Professional drawings.

I've seen him make his own drawings. I've seen him build stuff off of a napkin drawing and an idea at the bar So those are the best ones. Oh, yeah, so it's pretty incredible. I mean I have a  I was in the union when I started and I just feel like I'm very, always very, very impressed with what, what Justin kind of gives to this.

And like, it's a, it's a stark difference, definitely watching. One man kind of like handle it all versus like a larger business where sometimes there's almost too many cooks in the kitchen and things start to go wrong. And then they just say, well, we'll fix it on the finish. And it's, and then you end up being the guy having to do the finish too.

Yeah, no, it makes sense. Yeah. We definitely just went through that on the theater. Yeah. Yeah. It can be like that. And that was a small space. We had 12 guys in there one day.  It was a 15 by 22 room with  low ceilings and yeah, it was, I mean, that's basically a little bigger than this. Right. I mean, I should have just brought you in and just let you go.

Staying there by yourself for a week. I would love that. I would love that for sure.  Yeah, for real. You do sheetrock?  When I have to.  That's my answer.  So Ella, tell us about the low voltage, the electrical stuff that you do. Good. You said that you mentioned that you did the lighting on the bar. Do you, do you typically do like accent lighting that goes along with the woodworking that Justin's doing?

Yeah, that's, that's pretty much what I do nowadays. I started in Omaha, Nebraska. I was in the union. Loved it. Really loved every second of it. I was in a residential program though. And so when I moved to Georgia, Tennessee, Neither of you guys have a residential electrician program. And so I kind of realized that I wasn't going to be able to transfer as seamlessly as I wanted to.

So I started working under Justin and it it sort of made sense. I get to do what I love to do and drawers and stuff like that. Yeah. We work with some, some kind of like smart things, some slightly computerized things. And so I feel like I'm kind of like learning more every day. Yeah. And yeah.

It's, it's nice because when it comes to what you have to do to get your hours as an electrician I get to spend a lot of my hours learning, studying, experimenting, kind of playing around as opposed to, I mean, in the union, I spent a lot of my hours digging in the dirt and I would say, like, as much as that's valuable work, it's character building, you know, but I, I definitely, I definitely don't shine in the dirt.

Out there they make you dig it down three feet into the ground too. Oh god. You gotta dig three foot trenches. I remember this day, I was stuck out there with my boss and he, he's  just watching me dig this trench with this tiny little shovel. Yeah, it was like drizzling and he was like, are you done yet? No, I'm not done yet.

Grandpa. I don't want to dig anymore. 

By the time you're done, you're proud of that. Proud of that trench. No one else is ever going to think about it. Done. It gets covered right back up. Done. I wasn't there for that day.  They didn't call me back.  They don't call me back for the ding jobs.  I don't get a call back on that.  Did you start working with him before or after y'all were dating? 

Yeah. After, okay. We met in the snow out there in Nebraska. It was, you know, three feet deep of snow and our car got stuck outside my apartment and we were neighbors. Yeah. You lived a block or so away. Yeah. And I grabbed my neighbor's shovel and ran down there and got her out of the snow. And then look at you.

Yeah. He also swerved past my car, angry as hell coming home.  You were in front of my driveway. I thought he was going to hit me. I was like, Oh my, like that much, but I saved her. I got her out of there. And yeah,  he did. He saved the day.  I was like, I got it. 

Okay. So Nebraska how'd you end up in Chattanooga, Tennessee? We vacationed here with her dad who comes here to hang glide and we loved it so much. I mean, this place is beautiful, especially compared to Nebraska, which is a frozen wasteland for seven months. And you know, the mountains, the waterfalls, it's just.

Something out of a storybook from what we were used to. So we decided to make the move and I got a job as a handyman here and then she got a job working for a A company she was handling their SEO stuff on the products they were selling.  And when I realized that you know, as a handyman, I wasn't really shining as bright as I could be.

And, you know, here in Chattanooga, we decided to start Blackwell Innovations.  And then shortly after that, after we finished that SANA job, we started Nooga Brands, which is her thing. Yeah, so  about in the middle of that sauna job, I think was when I left that company and decided like, okay, I'm just going to go out on my own.

It, it ended up getting crazy. He had a couple of helpers helping him with that sauna. And then I think it sort of just, fizzled out. It just became you and me because you did a little bit of the electrical work and I did a little bit of the electrical work. None of the big stuff, but I did the little stuff on that sauna.

I think it turned out real beautiful. I did. Some lighting in there. Mm-Hmm. Built in bookshelf too. Oh, that sounds cool. Yeah.  Share some pictures so I can put it up with the Oh, yeah. Definitely be awesome. Yeah. We'll send you a handful of stuff. Yeah. Send us some B-roll. That'll be good. Yeah.  , that'd be awesome.

Some B-roll. Yeah. So when we throw up the, the video of the podcast, we can show, show some of your actual stuff. Yeah. That'd be awesome. Mm-Hmm. for sure. But yeah, all it cool. I like that. Got real awkward difference.  , what? What are you asking me for? Sorry. I, we, I forgot what we were talking about.  . Justing.

Chris, the pictures, he'll handle the rest. Yeah. We'll handle, yes, will do. Justin, I think I've run outta questions. You've ran outta the questions. Oh Lord. We can sit here all day. I, yeah. I mean, we could sit, have a conversation all day. About any number of things, I'm sure, because I'm sure we think we were, from the conversation that we had very briefly, it seems like that we're thinking about things kind of similarly.

Definitely. Yeah. I mean, we even mentioned the 3D printer. We're trying to come up with something for some aquariums that we need a 3D printer guy for us. Yeah. Maybe we can patent something together.  Aquariums? Hang on a second. There's something. Let's go down that avenue. Tell me about aquariums. What is going on with aquariums?

Not necessarily the thing you want to patent. Sure. Yeah. So me and Ella both got into gardening when we met and we turned my backyard back there into a An oasis, if you will. And then we moved here and we're trying to start it all over again. But we're trying to get into growing stuff in water, no soil, right?

So we're gonna have fish in there that are cleaning up the water. And then the plants are eating whatever the fish leave behind.  So we've got this plan to create a nice little aquaponics situation. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to grow peppers. I'm very excited. It's very exciting. Yeah. Yeah. I've got some over here.

I've got some hydrometers that I'm using with some development boards. And so, you know, I was going to make some little, just a little gardening with my kids in the backyard. Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah. So I wanted to do some automation. So the sprinkler would turn on when the soil got to a certain The  hydrometer tells you how much water is in the soil.

And so when it got below a certain amount without a rain being expected in the near future. That it would go ahead and water it.  That's smart. That sounds like something that could take off, to be honest. Well, it already exists. I just wanted to do it myself with the kids. That's an idea.  It exists already.

I just. Here recently, the last couple of years in Chattanooga, you need to figure out how to dry the soil out. Yeah, that's true. Was it way too much rain?  We figured that was normal here. We heard it rain more than it does over on the West coast. That is new. Just like, well, that's not true. It's, it's been that way for compared to like 10 years ago.

Okay. It didn't use to rain this much when, when I was growing up.  When I was moving here, I heard y'all were on there with Seattle and stuff like that. It's getting there. It seems like that. Like, what, two years ago it rained there. No, this time last year. That was when I got my truck stuck over there.

I think it rains more frequently there, but here it rains more it's more sustained and heavy. When it does rain. So we get, I think we get more, but it doesn't necessarily rain as much. As often. I see. But it's They're saying that like Tornado Alley has like shifted this way way more tornadoes than we ever did before.

We didn't bring it here. Yeah, it followed us out here. Yeah, you did. It followed us out here for sure. It was. I was going through Nebraska on my motorcycle a few months ago and got hit by hail twice. Yeah, like golf ball sized tail. Oh, yeah I was like, where am I at least you're in nebraska. They require you to wear a helmet, you know in iowa They're like, ah, you don't need a helmet.

I wear a helmet everywhere. I've gone down. It's crazy  I'm, not riding without a helmet. I was just trying to get to south dakota Yeah, south dakota is beautiful. That's where I was born. Oh rabbit city. Yep. Nice. My girlfriend's from sturgis Nice. Yeah, that's where she was born beautiful country. Oh, I love that Yeah, we went in like the end of september beginning of october And yeah, it was perfect.

Beautiful. Yeah, that's perfect time. Yeah. And then we'll see the badlands and stuff. Yeah Yeah, we did then went all the way to montana wyoming colorado, idaho Everything then texas all the way back down. Wow around. Yeah gone 28 days on the road 6 500 miles Two people on a motorcycle in a tent. That's how you should see the country.

I've only been to cities, you know, but Montana, I've heard amazing things. He thinks I'm crazy. He wants to fly everywhere. I want to drive everywhere.  It's true. I do want to fly everywhere. I, I, I, I do. I want to get my, my pilot license because I think it'd just be fun to fly. I don't have to go through TSA.

Yeah. I'm talking about like, you know, between five, 10, 000 feet. Yeah. You know, Let's do a detour. Yeah, that's fine. Let's go get a burger over here. Yeah, I'm with you. I'll stay on the ground That's where all the shit is exactly  No, I just don't like airports  the security and oh my god getting molested by TSA Yeah, you know dealing with other people.

Yeah  Other people yeah I had to be in the Omaha Airport Recently and I swear it was like the most miserable experience ever. I Okay, so I got in there and Justin, he was texting me, he was like, send me a picture of this little thing on the wall it's just some like art that he really loved from when he was a kid and so I was like, okay. 

But I get in there and I'm like, trying to set my stuff down to take this picture, like one second. And immediately the attendance, like, I can help you over here. Like, not nicely, not as she's like, yeah, there's no line. There's no line. There's no one else. And she's like, come on. And so then I'm like, okay, like, obviously I'm bothering her.

So I pick all my shit up and I go get my ticket. And then I still like, I'm like, I still need to take this damn picture. And so.  Try to take the picture and then she's telling me where the damn elevator is. Like, I don't know, like  She thought you were lost.  She's treating me like I don't know what's going on, and I'm just like, I'm just trying to take one second to take this photo.

There is so impatient there, and there was no line, and then I get to the security, and the guy makes a comment about how I'm holding up the line, and I'm like, there's no, There's no line! What's happening? Their jobs suck. They're just in a perpetual bad mood. Ever since COVID,  or really 9 11 and then COVID just ruined TSA jobs. 

They hate their lives now. I was working in Redding, Pennsylvania for a while and I was going back and forth and the first time I went up there I flew and was flying into Pennsylvania and got there at like midnight. And so the baggage claim was shut down and my bags were on another flight and my rental car wasn't ready.

And I was having to drive from Pennsylvania to Reading and they give you a hotel, at least. No. Oh my God. Like we can't help you at this table. You got to go here.  I'm not kidding. They shut everything closed and they turned all the lights off and I was stuck. I didn't have a rental car. I didn't know where I was.

I slept next to the baggage claim in front Philadelphia. Wow. And I'm like, and one of the reasons I don't like the flies because I can't carry a gun. I have none of my bags, like all I had was my wallet and my cell phone and no charger or anything. And yeah, so the rest of the time I was working there I drove back and forth.

You know you can check a gun, right? Yeah, but that's, you know, it's a pain. Then the Marshal's sitting right next to you on a plane. That's fine. We might have a good conversation. I'm sure he's seen some shit.  Yeah. You know, it's fun. It's like I'm not mad at anybody for doing their job. No. I'm not, you know, as long as he's not the belligerent one, it's fine.

But you know, it was like a 15 hour drive. It wasn't that big of a deal.  Lots of podcasts, man. That's, that's where I do my learning. I hear that. And I'm just like, that's just a day and a half of sitting in your truck of that. That's what I got to spend my time. This poor guy had to spend three hours in the truck with me yesterday.

And I could tell he was just like, God, get me home, get me home. So my back's hurting.  It's true.  Looks like you had fun crawling under there. Yeah. Going into the girl's space. Yeah, I've done that before. Mostly it's like, we're, We're like, let's get a shot where I'm coming out of a crawl space saying something unexpected.

Yeah. You know, the funny part is I made him do it like five times.  We're like, I made myself five times. I was like, Oh, I was like, Oh no, no, no, it wasn't perfect. You gotta do it again. No, no, no. Go all the way back. Start from the beginning. Only shooting for 80%.  It was payback. You do the same thing to me.

I do. I do. And I expect the same.  Do it again.  That's right. The same sort of excellence. That's us. That's right. It's the only way to go. That's right. Yeah. Those were fun. Yeah. We actually did a podcast yesterday there with the customer.  He has his own  podcast and he was like, come check out my studio. Let's record an episode.

So we sat there for 45 minutes recording an episode. I was like, that's new. Yeah. That was pretty cool. So you guys should try and get in a crawl space and you know, you're all laying there on your sides and do a podcast right there. That's going to happen. We literally were planning that this morning. 

That's happening.  I really like how you guys are kind of like, you're not matching this old house, but you're kind of following that same vibe on how they film. Yeah. I really like what you guys are doing. It's going to look good too in the future. I know it's going to keep getting better. Definitely excited.

And for, for us, it's just like, we wanna tell stories. The, if, if we can build a community of people around this idea that you can lift everybody's boats at the same time. Mm-Hmm. . Because you can, yeah. You know, I like that what you're doing is, what you're doing is different than what Justin does.

Right. You're, it's, it's, it's a, it's.  Elevated and it's like a way if we connected, then there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to work with him a hundred percent like to say it's a niche, you know, because what we do is here and what you do is here, right? You are so specialized. And that's why I started looking at your stuff.

I'm like, Damn, why have I not known this guy longer?  And it's because he's from Nebraska.  Where have you been all my life?  Most people don't even know where Nebraska is at. I know. He's shown a map of Nebraska without any lines. They wouldn't know which part  Nebraska part. It's okay. I'm, I would, but I'm a little bit of a geography nerd.

It's only because I've driven through there so many times. Right. And then because he spent 17 hours going through it, probably. Yeah. Yeah.  I think it only takes about, Eight hours I 80 from one side to the other, which is crazy. We've got a lot of friends that would be driving back and forth to Colorado. 

He said Colorado.  It's Colorado. 

You're right. You're right. My girlfriend and her family is from Colorado and they say it's Colorado.  I get it all the time. It's okay. Down here. We call her Colorado. It does.  But down here we call Lafayette. Lafayette. Yeah, so  here's my justification. Is it a Chevy Silverado or a Chevy Silverado? Oh,  there you go.

It's Silverado. Thank you. Point proven. Colorado. There you have it.  You heard it here first and final. Colorado.  Oh, she's going to kill me for that.  We're not going to take up too much of your time. We like to go to about 25, 30 minutes. So yeah, maybe we'll do this again here in a couple of months. I'd love to talk about some work.

Hey, it'd be cool if when you, when you finish a project, we could come out and maybe do something on site. So you can show it off. Maybe you build another bar we can set up on the bar. Yeah. That'd be really cool. That would be awesome. Yeah. On site.  Yeah. I like it. Yes, sir. What do you want you chatting to go?

All right. So let's go now. Now let's now let's everybody tell everybody your socials where they can find you, how they can reach you. Sure. You mean like phone number and stuff or whatever you want them to know on social media, anything that you'd want? Www. blackwell innovations. com is our website.

We're on Facebook. I think it's yeah, Blackwell Innovations there too.  Yeah, we're Blackwell Innovations everywhere. Someone, someone in this room should know. We're on TikTok. We're on Instagram. We're on Facebook. We are not on Twitter. Yeah, I'm not allowed to call it that anymore.  We're not either.

It's okay.  It's just words. Yeah. Yeah. It's not as weird feud with a billionaire. I never understood it.  Yeah.  All right. Cool. What about you? Oh, I'm new. Good brands. You can find me on Facebook. New brands. Do  you want a phone number? Do you want to throw up a phone number don't know. Do I want to give up a phone number?

My phone number is 423 301 2824. That's how you reach Blackwell Innovations. Cool.  Alright. Well, thanks guys for joining us.  Thank you guys. This has been the Build Something Media Podcast.  Thanks for coming on guys. Thank you for having us. What do you  think? Is this your first podcast? You ever done this before?

This is my first podcast. How about you? Yeah.