

      <h2 id="new-york-plans"><a class="no-underline" href="#new-york-plans">New York Plans?</a></h2>


        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>0:00</time>
      <p>
          I   saw   that  Arielle   Nissenblatt   is   doing   a   podcast   tour   of   New   York.   Like   she&#39;s   like   guiding   a   tour.   And   I&#39;m   so   mad   because   it&#39;s   gonna   be   on   Wednesday.   And   I   think   we&#39;re   flying   in   on   Wednesday.   And   so   I   think   I&#39;m   gonna   miss   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>0:15</time>
      <p>
          You&#39;re   gonna   miss   the   podcast   tour.   I&#39;m   gonna   miss   the   podcast   tour.   You   could   still   go   see   like   the   Statue   of   Liberty,   and   you   could   go   down   and   see,   you   know,   the   big   New   York   sites,   the   Brooklyn   Bridge.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>0:27</time>
      <p>
          I   went   to   New   York   when   I   was   like   in   high   school.   It   was   like   for   an   art   thing.   And   like,   so   I   saw   Statue   of   Liberty,   you   know,   it&#39;s   okay.   But   we   are   actually   really   close   to   Times   Square.   And   I   saw   that   Podcast Movement   is   actually   putting   like   the   people,   the   attendees   and   stuff   up   on   a   billboard   on   Times   Square.   Like   they   rented   a   Times   Square   billboard.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>0:49</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   funny.   So   we&#39;ll   have   to   go   down   and   get   some   selfies   with   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Theme Music</cite>
      <time>0:53</time>
      <p>
          Here   we   go.
      </p>

      <h2 id="using-ai-to-develop-a-conference-pitch"><a class="no-underline" href="#using-ai-to-develop-a-conference-pitch">Using AI to Develop a Conference Pitch</a></h2>


        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>1:00</time>
      <p>
          Welcome   back   to   Buzzcast,   the   podcast   about   all   things   podcasting   from   the   people   at   Buzzsprout.   So   next   week,   Alban,   you   and   I   are   going   to   be   in   New   York   City   for   Podcast   Movement   2026.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>1:12</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   we   have   been   going   for,   I   don&#39;t   know,   12,   13   years.   Every   year   that   Podcast Movement   has   been   doing   Podcast Movement,   we&#39;ve   gone.   And   now   they&#39;ve   merged   with   Sounds   Profitable.   And   so   they&#39;re   gonna   have   them   in   New   York.   It   sounds   like   it   might   be   in   New   York   full-time   going   forward.   So   direct   flight   for   us,   or   at   least   for   me,   I&#39;ll   fly   up   there,   spend   a   couple   days,   uh,   hopefully   meet   a   ton   of   creators,   make   some   friends   in   the   industry.   And   yeah,   it&#39;ll   be   it&#39;ll   be   good   to   see,   you   know,   how   we   you   know   shift   things   and   how   things   change   with   Podcast Movement.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>1:45</time>
      <p>
          I   love   podcast   conferences.   This   is   my   jam.   And   so   I   was   really   pumped   to   be   able   to   go   to   the   Podcast Movement   in   New   York   because   I&#39;ve   all   the   ones   I&#39;ve   gone   to,   it&#39;s   always   like   Dallas,   Nashville,   like   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   all   in   the   south.   And   so   I&#39;m   excited   to   be   in   the   northeast.   Like   I   think   it&#39;s   still   gonna   be   really   hot,   but   you   know,   whatever.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>2:05</time>
      <p>
          One   of   my   highlights   is   going   to   be   that   you   are   speaking,   and   I   don&#39;t   know   if   yet   I   should   tell   what   you&#39;re   talking   about   because   of   what   I   want   to   do   with   this   episode.   Uh   you   now   have   pitched   I   think   like   three   or   four   talks   in   a   row   that   have   all   been   accepted   for   different   podcasting   conferences.   So   this   feels   to   me   like   a   hidden   area   of   expertise   that   you&#39;ve   developed.   And   off   air,   I&#39;m   asking   you   about   it   because   I   submitted   a   talk,   mine   wasn&#39;t   accepted,   and   then   yours   was.   And   I   was   like,   Oh,   what   did   you   put   in   there?   Uh,   what   were   the   ideas?   What   are   the   takeaways?   And   you&#39;re   like,   oh,   I   did   that   in   like   15   minutes   with   Chat   GPT.   Let   me   go   through   it.   I   go,   hold   on,   let&#39;s   do   this   on   a   podcast.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>2:50</time>
      <p>
          So   it   sounds   bad   when   you   say   it   like   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>2:52</time>
      <p>
          No,   it   sounds   good   because   it   means   that   something   you   did   is   resonating,   and   I   would   like   to   figure   it   out.   And   so   in   this   episode,   what   I&#39;d   like   to   do   is   kind   of   walk   through   what   did   this   process   looked   like   as   it&#39;s   not   like   the   talk   100%   came   out   of   15   minutes   of   work.   It&#39;s   that   you   did,   you   know,   years   and   years   of   podcasting,   and   then   in   15   minutes   pulled   a   few   threads   together   to   make   a   talk.   But   I&#39;d   like   to   hear,   you   know,   in   your   own   words,   what   it   took   to   put   this   talk   together.
      </p>

      <h2 id="finding-your-strongest-ideas-in-your-transcripts"><a class="no-underline" href="#finding-your-strongest-ideas-in-your-transcripts">Finding Your Strongest Ideas in Your Transcripts</a></h2>


        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>3:25</time>
      <p>
          So   what   happened   was   Podcast Movement,   because   it   was   done   a   little   bit   differently   this   year,   I   wasn&#39;t   sure   when   they   were   going   to   open   up   speaker   applications.   And   then   they   opened   it   up,   and   then   the   deadline   was   like   super   quick.   And   I   was   in   just   a   time   in   my   life   where   I   had   no   extra   time.   Like   I   did   not   have   the   bandwidth   to   like   just   really   think   and   ruminate   on   what   should   my   talk   be?   What&#39;s   what&#39;s   my   next   great   idea?   Right.   I   I   didn&#39;t   have   the   space   for   that.   And   so   it   was   one   of   those   things   where   like   the   deadline   snuck   up   on   me.   And   I   actually   like   just   was   inspired   by   some   of   the   episodes   that   we&#39;ve   done.   You   know,   the   one   where   Kevin   talked   about   how   to   export   your   transcripts   and   kind   of   pull   information   from   Chat   GPT   about   you   as   a   person,   about   you   as   a   podcaster,   you   know,   like   what   kind   of   things   you   can   work   on.   And   then   um,   also   we   did   that   great   episode   about   content   repurposing   that   goes   beyond   just   like,   you   know,   books   or   whatever.   And   so   what   I   did   was   I   exported   all   of   our   Buzzcast   transcripts   and   I   put   them   into   Chat   GPT.   And   I   actually   was   able   to   develop   like   a   session   pitch   that   I   really   liked   based   on   one   of   the   episodes   that   I   really   enjoyed   doing   in   like   10   minutes,   which   I   desperately   needed   for   this   season.   So   the   fact   that   it   was   accepted   just   made   me   feel   like,   oh,   thank   goodness   that   worked.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>4:53</time>
      <p>
          Did   you   did   you   write   this   pitch?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>4:55</time>
      <p>
          I   did,   I   did   write   the   pitch,   but   it   was   like,   it   was   one   of   those   things   where   I   had   Chat   GPT,   and   I&#39;ll   kind   of   go   through   it   this   episode,   like   what   steps   I   took   in   order   to   do   this.   But   um,   yeah,   I   had   just   ChatGPT   like   pulled   together   and   it   created   like   a   bunch   of   different   options.   And   I   was   like,   yeah,   that   was   the   episode   that   I   really   liked.   That   would   be   an   awesome   session.   And   then   just   kind   of   like   worked   out   like   what   takeaways   would   be   and   stuff   like   that.   And   to   make   it   even   more   fun,   I   actually   did   this   same   treatment   on   uh   some   of   our   listeners&#39;   podcasts.   Like   so   the   people   who   are   writing   in   all   the   time,   like   you&#39;re   probably   gonna   hear   your   name   come   up   because   I   exported   all   your   transcripts   and   just   ran   everything.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>5:38</time>
      <p>
          Wait,   did   they   know   that   you   did   this?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>5:39</time>
      <p>
          No,   they   don&#39;t   know.   So   surprise.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>5:44</time>
      <p>
          I   had   no   knowledge   of   this.   So   if   anybody   doesn&#39;t   like   it,   uh,   send   a   fan   mail   into   Jordan   only.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>5:50</time>
      <p>
          Yes,   and   hate   mail.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>5:52</time>
      <p>
          All   right.   So   you   you   grabbed   all   your   transcripts,   uh,   you   threw   them   into   Chat   GPT.   What   did   you   ask   it   when   you   start   developing   this   talk?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>5:59</time>
      <p>
          So   when   I   threw   it   into   Chat   GPT,   I   didn&#39;t   want   it   to   think   that   your   ideas   or   Kevin&#39;s   ideas   were   my   ideas,   if   that   makes   sense.   So   I   had   to   say,   like,   only   focus   on   like   the   points   that   you   know   Jordan   brings   up   or   whatever.   And   um,   I   also   had   it   kind   of   find   like   the   strongest   angles   that   I   have   because   I   don&#39;t   know   if   you   feel   this   way,   Alban.   A   lot   of   times   when   I   go   into   these   sessions   or   when   I&#39;m   like   developing   a   session,   I   a   lot   of   times   feel   like   I&#39;m   not   saying   anything   that   hasn&#39;t   been   heard   before,   or   I&#39;m   just   kind   of   like   beating   the   same   drum   that   everyone   else   is   beating,   or   I&#39;ve   seen   this   talk   before.   But   like   the   thing   is,   is   like   you   have   your   own   unique   experiences   and   you   have   your   own   unique   perspectives.   And   a   lot   of   times   there   are   people   that   will   approach   the   exact   same   topic   or   the   exact   same   problem   from   a   different   angle.   Right.   And   maybe   your   angle   is   gonna   be   the   one   that   like   reaches   people.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>7:02</time>
      <p>
          Uh,   years   ago,   one   of   the   very   best   talks   I   ever   went   to   uh   was   at   a   marketing   conference,   and   I   think   it   was   like   the   head   of   marketing   for   Asana,   the   project   management   software.   And   all   he   did   was   like   10   lessons   of   growing   to   a   hundred   million   annual   recurring   revenue.   Something,   you   know,   there   were   10   lessons.   And   he&#39;s   just   going   through   these   lessons,   none   of   them   stood   out   as   like,   wow,   this   is   like   a   life   hack   that   you   could   instantly   apply   to   your   business.   But   one   of   them   was   I   at   that   time   was   getting   all   these   requests   for   custom   contracts.   And   with   my   background   as   an   attorney,   it   was   like   we   could   make   custom   contracts.   Oh,   you   know,   we&#39;ll   do   an   amendment   for   you   and   we   could   work   them   out.   Everybody   would   request   them   and   we&#39;d   often   politely   decline,   even   though   we   would   get   a   lot   of   pushback.   And   then   I   went   into   this   talk,   and   one   of   them   was   the   only   way   we   were   able   to   scale   is   because   we   just   said   no   custom   terms.   Like   if   there   was   anything   that   was   really   important,   we   would   write   it   into   the   contract   for   everybody,   into   the   terms   of   service.   If   there   was   something   we   thought   we   were   doing   that   we   shouldn&#39;t   be   doing,   and   we&#39;d   make   that   change   for   everybody,   but   we   weren&#39;t   going   to   maintain   all   these   separate,   you   know,   agreements.   And   I   was   like,   oh,   I   just   got   permission   from   somebody   at   a   much   bigger   company.   We   can   just   say   no.   And   it   was   like   totally   free.   And   there   are   all   these   little   lessons   in   this   little   talk.   And   again,   like   all   of   them   are   things   I   could   have   looked   up   online.   I   could   have   just   typed   into   Google   and   said,   hey,   do   other   people   do   custom   contracts?   And   said,   Yeah,   a   lot   of   SaaS   products   don&#39;t.   But   there&#39;s   something   about   being   there   and   seeing   a   person,   and   they&#39;re   a   few   steps   ahead   of   you,   and   then   they   can   just   tell   you   what   you&#39;re   doing   right   now,   this   stuff   makes   sense,   this   stuff   could   be   improved.   Here&#39;s   a   suggestion.   And   I   find   that   to   be   like   the   most   valuable   way   to   learn   in   person,   hearing   from   someone   who&#39;s   a   little   bit   beyond   a   peer,   and   they&#39;re   just   giving   you   maybe   it   could   even   be   advice   you&#39;ve   already   heard.   But   when   you   get   it   in   that   context,   I   think   it&#39;s   very   freeing   so   that   you   can   go,   okay,   I&#39;m   gonna   just   take   this   advice   and   go   do   the   thing   I   thought   was   so   good.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>9:14</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   exactly   what   I   was   thinking   too,   because   there&#39;s   so   many   times   that   you   just   hear   like   the   same   advice   over   and   over   again.   But   every   now   and   then   you   get   someone   who   goes   up   there   and   they   have   like   an   anecdote   that   really   drives   it   in   and   it   reminds   you   of   like   the   importance   of   whatever   that   tip   or   that   strategy   is.   And   so   it   is   important   to   hear   different   perspectives.   So   what   I   do   is   I   pulled   in   all   of   the   transcripts   from   Buzzcast,   said,   Hey,   like   ignore   Alban   and   Kevin,   just   focus   on   me.   Standard,   naturally.   And   I   ask   it,   what   topics   do   I   seem   knowledgeable   and   passionate   about?   Because   if   you   know   something   really   well   and   you   have   a   passion   for   it,   it&#39;s   so   much   easier   to   write   a   talk   about   it.   Another   thing   that   I   ask   is   where   do   I   offer   a   distinct   perspective?   And   this   is   for   the   reason   that   we   just   talked   about.   And   what   stories   or   examples   could   I   build   a   session   around?   And   this   is   a   question   I   really   like   because   sometimes   when   we   are   just   sort   of   like   brain   dumping   on   a   podcast   because   we&#39;re   in   conversation,   we&#39;re   in   the   flow   of   things,   we   can   forget   that   we   use   like   a   really   good   example   or   we   had   a   really   great   anecdote,   or   you   know,   we   had   researched   something   two   years   ago   that   I   had   forgotten   about   now.   But   I&#39;m   like,   oh,   that   was   actually   a   really   great   story.   And   I   can   use   that   in   my   talk.   And   it&#39;s   a   lot   easier   if   it   actually   like   quotes   the   transcript.   And   then   I   can   go   to   that   episode   because   I&#39;ll   I&#39;ll   ask   it   too   like   what   episode   was   this   from?   And   I   can   go   to   the   episode   and   command   F   and   like   search   for   whatever   the   statement   was   and   double   check   that   it   was   me   that   said   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>10:53</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I   like   uh   getting   the   links   back   to   the   transcript   so   that   you   can   make   sure   this   is   really   something   I&#39;ve   said.   This   is   a   real   anecdote   that   I   have.   It   is   powerful.   You&#39;ve   been   talking   about   podcasting   for   years.   So   there&#39;s   just   lots   of   stories,   there&#39;s   lots   of   thoughts,   there&#39;s   lots   of   things   you&#39;ve   thought   through   and   worked   on.   And   just   to   have   something   pull   it   all   back   and   say,   hey,   here   seem   to   be   three   or   four   pretty   strong   angles   that   you&#39;ve   had   throughout.   I   know   there&#39;s   tons   of   like   poor   takes   and   there&#39;s   lots   of   things   that   just   didn&#39;t   land   right.   And   like   I&#39;m   sure   there&#39;s   times   you   can   hear   me   fumbling   around   trying   to   make   a   point   that   doesn&#39;t   really   work.   But   then   you&#39;re   just   not   trying,   you&#39;re   not   trying   to   get   everything   perfect.   You&#39;re   now   just   going   back   and   finding   like,   okay,   out   of   three   years,   gotten   three   good   points   in   there.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>11:43</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>11:43</time>
      <p>
          And   there   probably   is   a   lot   of   good   stuff.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>11:45</time>
      <p>
          And   what&#39;s   so   cool   is   that   you   can   actually   pull   from   like   different   episodes.   So,   you   know,   the   thing   is,   is   we&#39;re   we&#39;re   just   we&#39;re   we&#39;re   talking   about   all   this   stuff.   And   like   you   said,   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   just   a   lot   of   information   coming   out.   And   what   we   want   to   do   for   these   sessions   or   these   public   speaking   engagements   is   to   distill   that   information   down   into   like   a   more   concise   manner.   And   so   it&#39;s   really   cool   to   be   able   to   pull   from   different   episodes   that   you&#39;ve   done   and   say,   like,   you   know,   I   actually   made   a   really   good   point   here,   and   I   actually   made   a   really   good   point   here.   And   oh,   you   know,   I   had   talked   about   call   to   actions   back   when   we   did   an   episode   about   monetization   or   back   when   we   did   an   episode   about   dynamic   content.   Like   there&#39;s   there&#39;s   all   these   different   things   I   can   pull   from   to   put   together   a   really   solid   talk.   And   so   if   it&#39;s   pulling   in,   like,   well,   it   seems   like   you   talk   about   call   to   actions   a   lot,   or   it   seems   like   you   talk   about   uh   sponsorships   a   lot,   or   it   just   seems   like   you   talk   about   how   to   create   podcast   artwork   or,   you   know,   like   sound   design   or   something   like   that.   And   so   from   that,   I   can   go,   you   know   what?   Actually,   I   had   a   conversation   with   a   few   people   at   the   last   podcast   conference   that   I   went   to,   where   they   were   talking   about   having   struggles   with   getting   listeners   to   like   do   what   they   were   asking,   like   saying,   like,   you   know,   I   turn   on   fan   mail,   how   do   I   get   them   to   uh   actually   write   in?   Or   I   have   these   uh   affiliate   links.   How   do   I   get   them   to   actually   use   the   affiliate   links?   Because,   you   know,   I   know   they&#39;re   buying   the   stuff,   they&#39;re   clicking   through.   Like,   how   do   I   get   them   to   do   this?   And   so   I   thought   to   myself,   like,   okay,   well,   we   did   a   great   episode   on   how   to   get   listeners   to   actually   do   what   you   ask,   which   sounds   like   kind   of   a   cool   session   topic   too.   Yeah.   And   so   from   that,   I   was   able   to   like   pull   that   in,   decide.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>13:29</time>
      <p>
          Cool.   Okay.   I   like   how   you   found   this.   I   didn&#39;t   know   where   the   how   do   you   get   your   listeners   to   do   what   you   want   them   to   do   topic.   But   that   makes   sense   now   what   I&#39;m   hearing   three   or   four   different   places   that   you&#39;ve   talked   about   this   in   different   contexts.   So   you&#39;re   gonna   have   a   few   different   stories.  
      </p>

      <h2 id="defining-who-your-talk-is-for"><a class="no-underline" href="#defining-who-your-talk-is-for">Defining Who Your Talk Is For</a></h2>


        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>13:46</time>
      <p>
          How   much   work   are   you   doing   around   defining   the   audience?   Are   you   doing   that   just   on   your   own   since   the   audience   for   Buzzcast   and   the   audience   for   the   conference   are   similar?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>13:56</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>13:57</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   they&#39;re   pretty   identical,   honestly.   But   did   you   put   any   of   that   in   there?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>14:01</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   that&#39;s   the   nice   thing   about   like   having   these   like   really   niche   conferences   that   you   want   to   speak   at,   is   it&#39;s   probably   going   to   align   pretty   well   with   who   your   audience   is.   I   know   that   at   Podcast Movement,   there   are   a   lot   of   like   industry   professionals   and   stuff   like   that.   And   so   I   think   it   would   be   really   easy   for   Chat   GPT   to   be   like,   oh,   this   is   for   Podcast Movement.   And   then   they   put   together   some   sort   of   session   that   would   be   more   industry   forward.   But   the   thing   is,   is   Buzzcast   is   not   really   industry   forward.   We   are   really   looking   at   the   indie   creators,   the   people   who   are   just   honing   their   craft   or   getting   started   or   just   trying   to   like   level   up.   And   so   I   just   told   it,   okay,   so   now   I   have   the   talk   about   uh   call   to   actions   and   things   like   that.   And   so,   like,   you   know,   here&#39;s   here&#39;s   what   I   want   to   do.   I   need   to   submit   a   session   to   Podcast Movement.   And   I   am   doing   this   specifically   for   the   creators.   I   want   this   to   reach   the   people   that   have   already   started   a   podcast   and   are   struggling   to   get   listeners   to   do   what   they   want.   You   know,   they   they   might   have   too   many   call   to   actions   in   their   episodes   or   they   don&#39;t   know   where   to   put   a   call   to   action   or   how   to   word   it.   And   then   it&#39;s   cool   because   when   they   have   call   for   uh   speakers   at   these   conferences,   it&#39;s   always   like   an   online   form.   And   they   will   have   listed   specifically   what   they   want   you   to   do   for   the   session.   And   so   you   define,   you   know,   what   the   what   track   it   would   be   in.   You   they   say,   you   know,   is   this   going   to   be   a   solo   talk   or   a   panel   or   a   workshop   or,   you   know,   some   sort   of   group   thing,   or   is   it   gonna   be   multiple   speakers?   And   so   you   can   tell   Chat   GPT,   you   know,   I&#39;m   gonna   do   a   solo   talk.   It&#39;s   20   minutes   long,   and   I   need   to   figure   out   what   is   like   feasible   for   me   to   do   within   this   20   minutes,   and   we&#39;ll   kind   of   work   through   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>15:58</time>
      <p>
          Jordan,   I   like   that   you   avoided   the   panel.   The   last   few   conferences   I&#39;ve   been   to,   not   just   podcast   conferences,   all   types   of   conferences.   I   think   we   need   to   have   like   a   ban   on   panels.   It   really   is.   I   don&#39;t   know   what   it   is.   Like   it   seems   like   a   good   idea.   It&#39;s   like,   wow,   if   we   could   have   we   have   one   expert   and   like   she&#39;s   top   of   her   field.   We   got   another   expert.   Let&#39;s   get   them   both   on   there.   Oh,   we   actually   have   four.   Well,   now   we   could   actually   get   somebody   who&#39;s   a   little   bit   more   junior   and   we   could   get   them   in   there.   So   now   there&#39;s   five   experts   up   there.   That&#39;s   gonna   be   at   least   five   times   better   than   one   person   giving   a   talk.   And   my   take   is   a   panel   is   kind   of   like   the   group   project   of   like   speaking   gigs.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>16:41</time>
      <p>
          Yes.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>16:42</time>
      <p>
          And   it&#39;s   like   nobody   can   prepare   for   this   very   well.   You&#39;re   gonna   get   the   person   who   writes   the   questions,   and   then   they&#39;ll   tell   people,   hey,   I&#39;m   gonna   give   you   this   question.   And   all   you   end   up   with   is   like   somebody   says   something,   kind   of   a   basic   answer,   and   then   the   other   experts   are   kind   of   like,   Well,   I   kind   of   need   to   also   agree   with   that   just   to   show   that   I   also   know   this.   I   don&#39;t   know.   They   go   off   the   rails   so   fast.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>17:05</time>
      <p>
          It   feels   like   a   pageant.   Yes.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>17:08</time>
      <p>
          And   it&#39;s   not   that   they&#39;re   not   good   speakers,   it&#39;s   that   the   format   just   does   not   lend   itself   to   like   learning   a   lot   quickly.   I   really   I   also   am   not   a   fan   of   the   fireside   chat.   I   think   that   only   exists   so   that   if   you   have   somebody   who&#39;s   really   famous   come   and   speak,   they   don&#39;t   have   to   prepare   anything.   You   know,   there&#39;ve   been   tons   of   really   big   podcasters   who&#39;ve   come   to   Podcast Movement   and   spoken,   and   they&#39;ve   actually   done   talks.   Those   are   awesome.   Every   once   in   a   while   you&#39;ll   go   to   a   conference   and   it&#39;ll   be   like,   oh,   Mark   Cuban   showed   up.   And   like   they   just   kind   of   sit   up   there   and   someone   chats   with   them   about   whatever   they&#39;re   up   to   in   the   podcasting   world.   Like   they   didn&#39;t   prepare   anything.   So   it&#39;s   just   kind   of   like   off   the   cuff,   they   came   up   with   some   answers,   but   not   a   thing   they   are   really   gonna   say   is   as   interesting   as   a   talk   that   was   prepared   and   thought   through.   All   that   to   say,   I&#39;m   with   you.   Thank   you   for   not   doing   another   panel.   I&#39;m   uh   an   anti-panel.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>18:02</time>
      <p>
          I   know.   Well,   we   did   a   panel   a   few   years   ago.   It   was   in   Dallas,   and   I   prepared   for   it.   And   I   remember   thinking,   this   is   hard   to   prepare   for   because   if   there   is   like   three   or   four   of   us,   and   then   we   have   a   moderator   that   is   asking   the   questions.   I   know   that   if   we   only   have   like   15,   20   minutes   for   this   panel,   that   means   for   all   these   questions,   I   have   like   30   seconds   to   60   seconds   to   answer   it.   And   it&#39;s   so   hard   to   actually   go   deep   into,   you   know,   giving   uh   texture   and   like   nuance   to   a   story   to   give   it   depth,   to   have   it   land   better   with   the   audience.   Like   it&#39;s   just   it&#39;s   so   hard.   So   I   agree   with   you.   Like   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   difficult.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>18:48</time>
      <p>
          And   there&#39;s   lots   of   handoffs,   and   then   you&#39;re   worrying,   did   I   speak   too   much   or   do   I   seem   kind   of   dumb   because   I   didn&#39;t   answer?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>18:53</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>18:54</time>
      <p>
          So   you&#39;ve   got   20   minutes   for   this   talk.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>18:56</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   got   20   minutes   all   to   myself.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>18:59</time>
      <p>
          That   feels   good.   A   lot   of   times   I   think   people   bite   off   a   little   bit   too   much   uh   for   the   talk.   So   they&#39;ll   say,   like,   how   to   take   your   podcast   from   zero   listeners   to   full   monetization   and   they&#39;ve   got   like   25   minutes.   Like   I   don&#39;t   think   no   matter   who   you   were   and   what   experiences   you   had,   your   ability   to   take   people   through   that   much   of   a   journey   in   25   minutes   is   going   to   be   difficult.   But   if   you&#39;re   saying   20   minutes,   I&#39;m   going   to   walk   you   through   multiple   areas   where   we&#39;re   trying   to   get   people   to   take   action   while   they&#39;re   listening   to   a   podcast.   Let&#39;s   talk   about   the   problems,   let&#39;s   talk   about   the   solutions,   what   are   the   best   practices,   what   are   some   good   stories?   Like   I&#39;m   confident   that&#39;s   a   promise   that   at   the   end   of   the   talk   you   would   be   able   to   deliver.   There&#39;s   some   promises   that   when   they   they   stand   out   to   me   as   like   the   promise   is   way   too   big.   And   now   I   don&#39;t   believe   that   this   talk   is   gonna   have   much   that   can   really   it   can   deliver   on.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>19:54</time>
      <p>
          Well,   so   I   actually   learned   this   lesson   from   last   year.   Maybe   no,   it   was   still   this   year.   Oh   my   gosh,   this   year&#39;s   gone   so   fast.   There   was   a   talk   I   did   earlier   this   year,   I   think,   and   it   was   about   how   to   monetize   your   podcast   regardless   of   how   many   downloads   you   get,   right?   And   I   had   gotten   an   email   that   my   talk   would   be   um   35   minutes   or   something   like   that.   It   was   like   35   or   40   minutes.   And   I   was   like,   wow,   that&#39;s   big.   And   so   I   was   covering   sponsorships,   I   was   covering   affiliate   marketing,   I   was   covering   support,   I   was   covering   subscriptions,   and   I   had   the   whole   gamut.   I&#39;m   gonna   talk   through   how   to   pitch   your   podcast   as   sponsors   and   then   like   how   do   you   get   paid   by   them?   I   was   going   through   everything.   And   then   I   get   to   the   conference   and   I   hear   that,   oh   no,   it&#39;s   actually   25   minutes   or   something   like   that.   And   I   was   sitting   at   our   booth   cutting   like   cards   of   my   slideshow.   And   it   went   so   fast,   and   I   felt   like   I   was   just   making   the   audience   drink   from   a   fire   hose   the   whole   time.   Cause   I&#39;m   like,   I&#39;m   gonna   tell   you   everything   there   is   to   know   about   this.   And   it   was   just   like   so   much   information.   I   was   like,   you   better   take   a   picture   of   the   slide.   Like,   we&#39;re   going.   And   that&#39;s   great.   I   mean,   the   thing   is,   is   like   I   learned   from   that   and   I   thought,   okay,   I   know   that   I   have   20   minutes.   Like,   we&#39;re   going   to   niche   down.   We&#39;re   going   to   have   one   really   solid   takeaway.   And   that&#39;s   what   we&#39;re   going   to   stick   to.   And   that&#39;s   going   to   be   my   promise.   And   I   swear   they&#39;re   going   to   walk   away   with   just   like   this   one   thing   being   a   little   bit   better.
      </p>

      <h2 id="choosing-a-topic-you-re-excited-to-teach"><a class="no-underline" href="#choosing-a-topic-you-re-excited-to-teach">Choosing a Topic You’re Excited to Teach</a></h2>


        <cite>Theme Music</cite>
      <time>21:29</time>
      <p>
          All   right.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>21:29</time>
      <p>
          So   once   you&#39;ve   got   a   few   ideas,   how   did   you   pick   the   one   that   you   picked?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>21:33</time>
      <p>
          Okay.   So   yeah,   once   it   um   generates   a   bunch   of   like   session   ideas   for   you,   you   can   just   look   through   it.   It&#39;ll   have   like   title,   it&#39;ll   have   the   summary,   it&#39;ll   have   the   quick   takeaways   that   the   audience   will   walk   away   with   from   that   talk.   And   it&#39;s   easy   to   kind   of   like   just   browse   through   them   and   see   if   any   of   them   excite   you   or   see   if   you   have   firsthand   experience   that   you   feel   really   confident   in   talking   about.   That,   you   know,   like,   do   I   have   enough   anecdotes   and   stories   to   back   up   these   kind   of   claims   or   these   kind   of   ideas?   And   you   also   want   to   look   at   them.   And,   you   know,   like   I   mentioned   earlier,   uh,   you   want   to   make   sure   that   it&#39;s   niche   down   enough   that   you   can   actually   give   that   talk   in   the   amount   of   time.   So   it&#39;s   kind   of   scary   to   do   sessions   that   are   a   little   bit   more   like   complex.   You   kind   of   want   to   stick   to   something   that&#39;s   a   little   bit   more   simple   or   something   that   is   just   based   on   um   like   one   idea   or   one   story   that   you   can   kind   of   elaborate   on   and   spend   some   time   with.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>22:35</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   It&#39;s   better   to   have   one   idea   you   can   fully   flesh   out   and   attack   from   different   angles   rather   than   trying   to   overdo   it   and   try   to   gram   too   much   into   a   single   session.   So,   what   did   you   pick?   What   hit   you   out   of   these?   You   know,   you&#39;ve   got   all   these   ideas   from   Chat   GPT.   How   did   you   know   when   you   had   the   right   one?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>22:52</time>
      <p>
          Basically,   what   happened   was   I   was   looking   through   the   session   ideas   and   stuff,   and   I   saw   the   one   about   how   to   get   listeners   to   actually   do   what   you   ask,   which   was   identical   to   the   Buzzcast   episode   that   we   did.   That   was   the   title   of   it.   And   I   was   like,   oh,   I   loved   that   episode.   And   it   was   cool   because   then   it   pulled   in   some   other   things   that   where   I   had   talked   about   like   getting   listeners   to   do   what   you   ask   through   call   to   actions   and   things   like   that.   And   I   saw   that   and   it   just   it   got   me   excited.   I   think   that&#39;s   really   what   you   need   to   lean   into   is   in   your   gut,   if   you   go,   ooh,   I   love   this   idea.   I&#39;m   excited   to   talk   about   this.   I   can   see   the   slideshow   in   my   brain.   I   can   think   of   all   the   talks   I   can   do.   Oh,   there&#39;s   this   one   really   cool   quote.   And   I   know   the   story   that   I   can   pull   in   if   I   need   to.   And   I   feel   like   when   you   see   those   and   you   go,   oh,   that&#39;s   right,   that   would   be   a   good   session.   That&#39;s   kind   of   like   a   good   sign,   right?   Yeah.   Like   if   you&#39;re   excited   to   talk   about   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>23:57</time>
      <p>
          I   think   that   so   much   of   this,   I   really   hope   people   don&#39;t   hear   it   and   take   away,   oh,   you   can   use   ChatGP   to   write   a   session   pitch   for   you.   Because   that   really   isn&#39;t   gonna   work.   What   does   work   is   if   you&#39;ve   taken   the   time   and   put   out   hundreds   of   episodes   with   all   sorts   of,   you   know,   stories   and   experiences   around   these   one   area,   it   might   pull   out,   hey,   here&#39;s   a   few   themes.   And   still,   even   when   it   pulls   out   all   those   themes,   a   bunch   of   them   just   don&#39;t   land   for   you.   And   one   of   them   does   have   the   emotional   resonance   that   needs   to   have.   You   go,   oh,   I   did   do   a   talk   on   that.   I   did   like   that   episode.   There&#39;s   three   or   four   different   pieces.   I&#39;m   starting   to   see   how   the   strings   could   all   come   together.   I&#39;m   seeing   the   slides   in   my   mind,   and   now   it&#39;s   time   to   make   the   talk,  
      </p>

      <h2 id="writing-a-session-pitch"><a class="no-underline" href="#writing-a-session-pitch">Writing A Session Pitch</a></h2>


        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>24:42</time>
      <p>
          right?   So   now   you   kind   of   are   pulled   it   together.   What   do   you   do   to   put   this   talk   together?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>24:47</time>
      <p>
          It   was   really   quick.   So,   one   of   the   things   that   I   had   ChatGBT   do,   I   said,   you   know   what?   I   actually   love   this   session   idea.   This   really   excites   me.   And   so   I   asked   for   like   a   fuller   draft.   I   wanted   to   flesh   out   a   bit   more   of   like   what   that   talk   would   look   like.   I   thought   about,   you   know,   what   kind   of   things   we   could   touch   on.   And   so   I   would   like   type   that   in.   I   would   give   like   ideas   for   like   quotes,   or   if   I   knew   like   historical   stories   that   I   wanted   to   pull   into   it,   or,   you   know,   maybe   instead   of   focusing   on   this   angle   of   it,   actually   let&#39;s   just   drill   down   into   this   aspect,   you   know,   and   so   you   can   kind   of   like   fine-tune   it   and   say,   hey,   I   really   like   this   session   idea,   but   let&#39;s   flush   it   out   a   bit   more   and   let&#39;s   actually   make   this   into   what   would   be   a   good   pitch   for   this   and   making   sure   that   I&#39;m   hitting   all   the   notes   and   all   the   bases   that   I   need   to   for   people   to   look   at   that   and   say,   yeah,   that&#39;s   that   sounds   awesome.   Like   make   it   not   boring,   please.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>25:47</time>
      <p>
          Well,   it   sounds   like   it   worked   because   you   submitted   the   not   boring   talk   and   a   bunch   of   people   went   and   voted   for   it   and   it   got   picked.   And   so   if   people   want   to   listen   to   this   talk,   the   best   way   to   do   that   is   to   come   over   to   Podcast Movement.   Um,
      </p>

      <h2 id="finding-talk-ideas-in-our-listeners-podcasts"><a class="no-underline" href="#finding-talk-ideas-in-our-listeners-podcasts">Finding Talk Ideas in Our Listeners’ Podcasts</a></h2>


        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>26:01</time>
      <p>
            you   went   through   and   you   listened   to   some   of   our   listeners&#39;   podcasts   and   you   went   through   this   process.   So   I&#39;m   kind   of   interested,   what   did   you   come   up   with   here?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>26:09</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   so   this   was   actually   really   fun.   I   did   this   like   at   night,   actually.   I   was   just,   I   was   having   so   much   fun   with   it.   I   was   like   sitting   on   my   couch   in   my   pajamas   and   just   like   cranking   out   these   like   transcripts   and   like   did   this   whole   treatment.   So   the   first   one   that   I   have   is   Sara   from   Wish   I   Known   Then.   Sara&#39;s   show   is   for   like   indie   writers.   And   so   I   thought   that   this   would   be   like   a   really   good   jumping   off   point   because   there&#39;s   tons   of   conferences   for   writers,   right?   But   it   was   cool   because   she   has   a   co-host   on   her   podcast.   And   so   I   was   able   to   clarify   like   only   pull   from   Sara&#39;s   uh   stories   or   from   her   knowledge.   And   it   said,   um,   so   what   does   she   know   well?   She   knows   designing   and   sustaining   fiction   series,   character   arcs,   reader   expectations,   spin-offs,   and   endings.   What   seems   to   motivate   her   the   most?   Maintaining   creative   independence   and   enjoyment   while   connecting   with   readers.   And   where   does   she   offer   a   distinct   perspective?   Connecting   story   craft   to   the   experience   of   buying   and   receiving   a   book.   And   what   could   she   teach   beyond   familiar   marketing   advice?   How   to   evaluate   opportunities   by   workload,   creative   satisfaction,   and   reader   value,   not   just   sales.   So   we&#39;re   already   off   to   a   good   start   here.   And   actually,   uh,   I   threw   the   pitch   that   I   developed   with   Chat   GPT   into   our   outline.   If   you   want   to   read   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>27:35</time>
      <p>
          All   right.   So   this   is   the   launch   that   earned   less   and   gave   me   time   to   write.   And   the   idea   is   what   happens   when   the   launch   that   brings   in   less   money   is   the   one   that   you&#39;d   rather   repeat.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>27:44</time>
      <p>
          It   sounds   fun.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>27:45</time>
      <p>
          I   think   about   this   a   lot   with   creative   endeavors   that   at   some   point   you   do   something   that&#39;s   just   a   hobby   and   it   gets   to   a   place   where   you   might   actually   make   some   money.   And   you   can   go   one   of   two   ways.   You   can   go   and   stay   on   the   I&#39;m   doing   my   hobby,   and   now   my   hobby   makes   money   path.   And   even   if   it&#39;s   making,   you   know,   hundreds   of   millions   of   dollars,   you&#39;re   still   on   the   this   is   the   thing   I   love   to   do   path.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>28:12</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>28:13</time>
      <p>
          There   also   is   another   path,   which   is   the   how   do   I   optimize   so   much   that   I&#39;ve   kind   of   optimized   my   own   joy   out   of   it.   And   I   feel   like   I&#39;ve   heard   this   story   from   YouTubers   so   many   times.   They&#39;re   like,   I   basically   figured   out   what   the   algorithm   wanted,   and   I   just   kept   doing   that   and   doing   that.   And   then   three   years   later,   I   realized   I   hadn&#39;t   done   a   video   I   enjoyed   in   years.   So   I&#39;d   imagine   a   lot   of   people   who   are   writing   books   might   be   in   a   similar   spot.   And   so   this   idea   of   what   happens   when   the   launch   is   the   one   that   that   brings   in   less   money   is   the   one   I&#39;d   rather   repeat.   That   hooks   me   for   sure.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>28:44</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>28:44</time>
      <p>
          And   so   the   idea   would   be   she&#39;s   talking   about   the   lessons   from   running   her   own   Kickstarter   campaigns,   launching   special   editions,   doing   fulfillment,   uh,   working   with   indie   creators,   all   that   being   pulled   together   into   this   talk.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>28:58</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   Which   is   just   from   her   episode,   from   her   podcast.   Like   this   is   just   her   podcast.   And   I   think   it&#39;s   a   great   session   idea.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>29:05</time>
      <p>
          What   we   need   is   for   anyone   that   we   give,   we   read   off   your   name,   you&#39;ve   got   to   write   in.   And   one,   tell   us,   are   you   okay   that   Jordan   took   your   your   transcripts   and   made   you   some   talks?   But   two,   what   does   this   talk   land   with   you?   Yeah.   Does   it   is   it   something   that   you   could   see   yourself   giving?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>29:24</time>
      <p>
          Uh   the   next   one   that   I   have   here,   I   love   and   I   want   this   to   happen   so   badly.
      </p>

        <cite>Theme Music</cite>
      <time>29:30</time>
      <p>
          Okay.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>29:31</time>
      <p>
          Okay.   Who   is   it? So   this   is   uh   for   Matt   from   Girl   Dad   Nation.   What   does   he   know   well?   Everyday   connection   with   young   daughters,   routines,   encouragement,   shared   activities,   and   expressing   affection.   What   seems   to   motivate   him   the   most?   Helping   his   daughters   feel   loved   and   helping   other   dads   enjoy   participating   in   their   children&#39;s   lives.   Where   does   he   offer   a   distinct   perspective?   Fatherhood   for   the   eyes   of   a   filmmaker,   deliberately   capturing   what   you   want   your   children   to   know.   And   what   could   he   teach   beyond   generic   parenting   advice?   How   to   make   affection   visible,   build   manageable   family   rituals,   and   learn   alongside   other   dads.   So   I   think   this   might   be   my   favorite   one,   and   maybe   it&#39;s   because   I&#39;m   a   girl   mom.   I   don&#39;t   know.   But   do   you   want   to   read   the   pitch   for   Matt&#39;s   talk?
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>30:18</time>
      <p>
          Sure.   So   the   pitch   here   is   two   stickers   in   a   lunchbox,   small   acts   that   build   connection.   15-minute   talk   about   what   are   the   um   small   moments   that   offer   a   starting   point   for   practical   conversations   about   expressing   love   with   everyday   routines.   And   attendees   are   going   to   leave   with   three   actions,   choose   one   existing   routine   where   they   can   give   a   child   intentional   attention,   add   a   simple   expression   of   affection   or   encouragement,   and   invite   a   child   to   extend   that   kindness   to   someone   else.   So   is   the   idea   of   the   two   stickers   that   one   is   for   your   child   and   one   is   for   them   to   pass   on   to   another   kid.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>30:56</time>
      <p>
          This   talk   actually   draws   from   an   episode   in   which   he   talked   about   how   he   put   two   stickers   into   his   daughter&#39;s   lunchbox   and   she   gave   it   to   a   friend   that   day.   She   gave   her   extra   sticker   to   someone   and   that   person   became   her   friend.   Or   as   someone   who   is   like   a   parenting   coach   or   counselor.   And   you   go   to   that,   and   it&#39;s   just   a   reminder   that   these   little   things   can   have   like   a   trickle-down   effect.   So   yeah,   I   just   I   love   this   one   so   much.   Okay,   so   the   last   one   I   have   is   for   the   Link   Bloomer   actor.   So   this   is   David   John   Clark,   who   writes   in   all   the   time.   And   he   has   a   podcast   about   like   getting   into   acting   later   in   life.   Um,   so   what   does   he   know   well?   The   practical   organization   behind   an   acting   career,   materials,   training,   tracking   auditions,   and   communicating   professionally.   What   seems   to   motivate   him   the   most   is   helping   people   begin   or   keep   going   when   they   think   they&#39;ve   missed   their   opportunity.   Where   does   he   offer   a   distinctive   perspective?   Uh,   being   an   experienced   adult   while   becoming   a   beginner   in   a   new   profession.   And   what   unexpected   material   could   become   a   talk.   He   has   lessons   from   bodybuilding,   his   response   to   discouraging   audition   feedback,   and   creating   films   with   his   son,   which   is   really   fun.   I   actually,   there   was   a   talk   that   I   thought   about   doing,   and   it   was   about   like   what   creating   a   film   with   his   son   taught   him   about   acting.   And   it   would   have   all   these   like   takeaways.   And   I   was   like,   oh,   I   really   like   that   one,   but   I   actually   like   really   like   this   one   too.   So   um,   David,   if   you   want   to   reach   out   to   me,   I&#39;ve   got   some   ideas   for   you.   Um   but   yeah,   Alban,   do   you   want   to   read   the   pitch   that   uh   I   did   work   on?
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>32:44</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I   like   this   idea.   Between   bookings,   how   to   see   progress   when   you&#39;re   not   getting   cast.   Um,   when   bookings   are   scarce,   how   do   you   tell   whether   your   acting   career   is   moving   forward   or   whether   or   not   it&#39;s   stalled?   And   he   explores   how   recognizing   work   can   disappear   from   view   and   success   is   only   measured   by   getting   the   role.   I   mean,   yeah,   this   sounds   very   familiar   to   stuff   we   talk   about   on   this   show   or   that   I   just   didn&#39;t   experience   in   my   professional   life.   It&#39;s   very   easy   to   get   over   focused   on   outcomes.   If   you&#39;re   only   focused   on   outcomes,   you&#39;re   not   going   to   do   the   work   that   you   need   to   do   to   actually   get   those   outcomes.   Um   so   this   talk   participants   will   sketch   their   own   simple   career   tracker   and   practice   reviewing   it   to   identify   a   useful   next   step.   Attendees   will   be   able   to   record   auditions,   training,   outreach,   completed   work   in   one   place,   review   progress   beyond   bookings   without   treating   busyness   as   success.   Oh,   that&#39;s   good.   And   choose   one   practical   priority   for   the   next   month.   You   know,   this   is   pretty   much   what   uh   this   is   the   talk   I   think   a   lot   of   people   need   when   they&#39;re   looking   for   a   job.   It&#39;s   like   so   like   all   you   want   is   the   outcome.   I   just   need   a   job.   And   like   there&#39;s   hundreds   and   hundreds   of   like   uh   finding   jobs   that   would   be   a   good   fit,   submitting   applications,   going   through,   you   know,   doing   some   interviews,   following   up   on   the   interviews,   all   this   stuff.   And   it&#39;s   pretty   much   like,   did   you   get   it   or   not?   And   so   you   can&#39;t   really   tell,   am   I   making   progress   towards   this   goal   or   am   I   like   still   stuck   at   like   step   number   one?   So   uh   this   is   great.   I   love   this.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>34:21</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   And   what   was   really   cool   was   I   was   able   to   specify,   like,   hey,   when   we&#39;re   looking   for   conferences,   let&#39;s   look   at   them   in   Australia.   And   so   this   is   specifically   for   the   AACTA   Festival   2027.   And   they   actually   have   sessions   where   you   can   actually   do   work,   like   is   it   very   interactive.   And   so   it   was   it   was   really   fun   to   do   this.   Like,   I   want   him   to   do   this   so   bad.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>34:44</time>
      <p>
          Jordan,   this   is   awesome.   I   think   that   it&#39;s   easy   to   lose   sight   that   probably   a   lot   of   our   audience   would   be   great   speakers   for   conferences.   You   have   an   area   of   expertise,   you&#39;ve   really   developed   your   speaking   voice,   not   just,   you   know,   like   your   physical   projection,   speaking   voice,   but   your   own   style,   your   own   thoughts.   And   it&#39;s   probably   really   the   last   piece   in   this   step   is   kind   of   going   through   those   transcripts,   pulling   out   a   few   topic   ideas,   and   then   finding   a   conference,   which   those   pieces,   it   sounds   like   you   were   able   to   get   with   these   prompts   some   pretty   good   results   out   of   AI.   So   I   would   love   it   if   more   of   our   audience   were   giving   talks.   I&#39;m   sure   most   of   you   would   do   a   fantastic   job.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>35:30</time>
      <p>
          Yes.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>35:30</time>
      <p>
          If   they   have   uh   some   ideas   and   they   want   to   run   them   by   you,   are   you   open   to   getting   some   requests   here?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>35:37</time>
      <p>
          Absolutely.   Yeah.   If   if   they   want   to   like   hit   me   up   for   this,   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   all   for   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>35:42</time>
      <p>
          Okay.   Well,   these   don&#39;t   have   to   be   live.   If   you   don&#39;t   want   it   to   be   on   the   next   episode   of   Buzzcast,   uh,   you   can   tell   her.   But   hit   the   fan   mail   button,   write   in,   tell   her   about   your   podcast,   send   her   a   link,   and   Jordan   will   help   you   come   up   with   some   ideas.   I   would   love   to   find   out   in   a   year   or   two   that   this   episode   kind   of   spurred   a   few   people   to   go   and   give   a   talk   about   their   podcast.
      </p>

      <h2 id="fan-mail-and-directory-submission-wins"><a class="no-underline" href="#fan-mail-and-directory-submission-wins">Fan Mail And Directory Submission Wins</a></h2>


        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>36:07</time>
      <p>
          Let&#39;s   get   into   some   fan   mail.   So,   first   up,   we   have   a   message   from   Susie   from   Wander   World   School.   And   this   is   about   our   keeping   podcasts   weird   episode,   which   we&#39;ve   had   a   lot   of   people   write   in   about   it.   I&#39;m   really   excited   about   that.   She   said,   I   love   podcasts   that   do   their   own   thing.   My   weird   thing   is   my   fun   lightning   round   questions   at   the   end   of   the   episode.   I   know   others   do   it,   but   I   love   this   part   of   my   recordings.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>36:30</time>
      <p>
          I   like   that   too,   Susie,   because   there&#39;s   a   lot   of   podcasts,   like   you   kind   of   get   into   a   flow   and   you   then   you   kind   of   know,   oh,   uh,   Tim   Ferris   is   gonna   ask   for   three   book   recommendations.   And   then   at   the   end   of   the   episode,   you&#39;re   like,   yeah,   I   kind   of   am   looking   forward   now   through   this   whole   episode   to   hearing   the   three   book   recommendations   or   whatever   comes   up   in   those   lightning   rounds.   So   I   like,   I   like   keeping   that.   That&#39;s   a   good   idea.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>36:55</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   this   actually   reminds   me   a   little   bit   of   remember   when   we   did   the   uh   repurposing   episode,   I   talked   about   how   Diary   of   CEO   had   conversation   cards   that   were   based   on   how   at   the   end   of   every   episode   he   asked   these   people   to   write   a   question   for   the   next   guest.   And   so   this   kind   of   it   feels   like   it&#39;s   in   the   same   vein,   like   just   a   fun   thing   that   is   sort   of   like   a   ritual   for   your   podcast.   So   I   like   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>37:19</time>
      <p>
          All   right,   and   then   we   got   another   fan   mail   from   Andrew.
      </p>

        <cite>Andrew</cite>
      <time>37:23</time>
      <p>
          Hello,   folks,   it&#39;s   Andrew   Martin   here   from   the   Family   Histories   podcast.   Thank   you   so   much   for   making   changes   to   your   directory   listing   page,   because   for   years   I&#39;ve   wanted   to   be   listed   on   iHeartRadio,   but   I&#39;ve   not   been   able   to   because   I&#39;m   sat   here   in   the   UK   and   the   iHeartRadio   website   blocks   me   from   accessing   it.   And   that&#39;s   whether   I   would   click   through   from   your   old   page   design,   you   would   have   to   go   to   their   website   and   it   would   block   you.   But   now   with   your   page   redesign,   I&#39;ve   pressed   the   button   and   apparently   I&#39;m   listed.   Unfortunately,   I   can&#39;t   check   that   I&#39;m   listed   because   I   still   can&#39;t   access   the   iHeartRadio   website   because   I&#39;m   sad   in   the   UK.   But   I   trust   you.   Thank   you   for   making   it   better.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>38:04</time>
      <p>
          You   know   what?   I   actually   went   and   checked,   and   you   are   in   fact   listed   in   iHeartRadio.   So   congratulations,   Andrew.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>38:13</time>
      <p>
          Is   there   a   legal   reason   why   iHeart   isn&#39;t   uh   available   in   the   UK?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>38:18</time>
      <p>
          No   idea.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>38:19</time>
      <p>
          Maybe   there&#39;s   something   about   like   radio   stations   being   rebroadcast   or   what   it   might   be.   But   Andrew,   you&#39;re   listed   and   you&#39;re   getting   even   more   listeners   across   uh   the   pond   over   here   in   the   United   States.   So   we&#39;re   glad   to   help   your   podcast   get   out   to   the   world.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>38:34</time>
      <p>
          You   know,   it&#39;s   funny   because   this   one-click   submission   thing,   I   that   it   didn&#39;t   occur   to   me   that   that   would   actually   resolve   a   lot   of   issues   of   people   having   to   go   to   like   out   of   Buzzsprout   to   websites.   Like   I   was   thinking   about   it   from   a   um   convenience   perspective.   Yeah.   I   wasn&#39;t   actually   thinking   about   like   how   it   adds   more   ability   to   lists.   So   that&#39;s   cool.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>38:55</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   for   us,   the   big   difference   is   people   were   not   doing   it.   We   could   go   look   at   the   data.   People   were   like,   uh,   there&#39;s   like   two   extra   steps.   I&#39;ve   never   heard   of   this   app.   I&#39;m   good.   And   yet   we   would   look   at   it   and   go,   that&#39;s   actually   a   pretty   decent   sized   app.   You   may   not   be   aware   of   it,   and   you   know,   and   you   might   hear   the   big   name   of   some   big   company   that   has   a   podcast   and   go,   Oh,   I&#39;ve   got   to   get   in   there,   when   they   may   not   have   been   as   important   in   the   podcasting   space.   So   it&#39;s   just   a   great   way   for   us   to   get   people   everywhere   and   take   care   of   that   entire   load   of   problems.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>39:27</time>
      <p>
          Absolutely.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>39:27</time>
      <p>
          All   right,   we   got   another   listener.   Uh,   Magnus   sent   us   fan   mail   as   well.
      </p>

        <cite>Magnus</cite>
      <time>39:33</time>
      <p>
          Hello,   I   just   love   this   podcast,   and   I&#39;m   myself   a   best   brow   user   for   my   Mandolin   Secrets   podcast.   And   uh,   I   just   want   to   say   thanks   for   a   great   show,   and   I&#39;m   getting   a   lot   of   inspiration   and   value   out   of   this.   So   thank   you   guys.   By   the   way,   my   name   is   Magnus   Sedlund.   I   live   in   Sweden.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>39:56</time>
      <p>
          Our   listeners   have   the   best   accents.   What   is   that?
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>40:03</time>
      <p>
          You   know,   I&#39;ve   been   spending   too   much   time   with   Tom.   That   as   soon   as   he   said   Mandolin,   I   was   hearing   Mandalorian,   like   the   Star   Wars   characters.   Mandolin,   the   instrument,   which   makes   much   more   sense.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>40:16</time>
      <p>
          I   saw   a   video   and   it   was   him   playing   like   mandolin   jazz   with   this   guy,   and   it   was   like,   it   was   so   cool.   It&#39;s   awesome.   So,   but   thank   you,   Magnus.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>40:26</time>
      <p>
          It   will   never   get   like   less   surprising   that   a   show   that   we   started,   you   know,   years   ago   and   never   has   had   a   bigger   audience.   I   mean,   the   biggest   episodes   ever   were   like   three   to   five   thousand   plays.   I   don&#39;t   think   of   it   being   as   a   worldwide   show,   and   yet   we&#39;re   getting   fan   mail   from   the   US   and   from   the   UK   and   from   Sweden   and   from   Australia.   And   it&#39;s   awesome   just   to   hear   your   voices   and   all   these   people   who   are   real   people   who   are   listening   to   this   show.   Um   it&#39;s   a   huge   encouragement   to   us.   It&#39;s   probably   why   of   everything   we&#39;ve   ever   built,   fan   mail   is   one   of   my   favorite   features   because   it   is   a   kind   of   a   gift   to   ourselves   that   we   get   to   feel   like,   oh,   these   aren&#39;t   just   numbers,   and   whether   they&#39;re   up   or   down   a   little   bit   isn&#39;t   what   really   matters.   Really,   what   matters   is   people   like   Magnus   and   Andrew   and   Susie   and   a   bunch   of   other   people   are   all   writing   in   and   telling   us   about   what&#39;s   going   on   in   their   lives   and   that   they   like   the   podcast.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>41:26</time>
      <p>
          All   right.   Well,   thank   you   everyone   for   listening.   And   until   next   time,   keep   podcasting.
      </p>

      <h2 id="post-show-very-late-pickups"><a class="no-underline" href="#post-show-very-late-pickups">Post Show: Very Late Pickups</a></h2>


        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>41:36</time>
      <p>
          So,   Jordan,   like   two   weeks   ago,   your   daughter   got   lost   on   the   school   bus.   She   was   on   the   school   bus,   but   they   put   her   on   the   wrong   school   bus   or   something,   right?
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>41:44</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   they   they   they   just   left   our   school.   She   was   lost.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>41:48</time>
      <p>
          And   we&#39;re   we&#39;re   talking,   we   talk   about   it,   and   we   came   up   with   the   idea   that   Amazon   should   be   now   doing   school   buses.   And   this   uh   more   than   any   other   post   show   got   a   bunch   of   feedback.   So   I   wanted   to   read   some   of   it   to   you.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>42:05</time>
      <p>
          Sounds   great.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>42:06</time>
      <p>
          Uh,   first   at   Anchorage,   Alaska.   Albin,   your   faith   in   Amazon&#39;s   ability   to   deliver   packages   is   highly   overrated.   I   say   this   as   somebody   who&#39;s   had   multiple   packages   lost   by   Amazon.   These   aren&#39;t   necessarily   packaged,   they&#39;re   shipped   with   third-party   carriers,   but   shipped   on   their   own   aircraft.   And   then   just   an   in-depth   uh   review   of   what   happened   with   a   laser   printer   and   then   with   a   laser   printer   printer   tray,   which   I   assume   is   for   the   same   printer,   uh,   both   being   shipped,   not   shipped,   being   something&#39;s   wrong,   it&#39;s   stuck   at   a   warehouse,   and   then   maybe   or   maybe   does   not   show   up.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>42:42</time>
      <p>
          Well,   okay,   so   this   Anchorage   Alaska   thing,   I   feel   like   that&#39;s   probably   just   an   Alaska   thing.   Like,   I   don&#39;t   want   to   diminish   their   problems,   but   I   feel   like   this   is   an   Alaska   thing.   You&#39;re   you&#39;re   out   there,   man.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>42:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   that   this   is   why   it&#39;s   good   for   us   to   have   your   area   code   and   where   we   figure   out   where   it&#39;s   from   because   we   went   on   a   cruise   in   Alaska,   like,   I   don&#39;t   know,   10   years   ago.   And   everybody   was   talking   about   how   expensive   it   was   to   buy   like   anything   large,   like   tires.   And   they&#39;re   like,   oh,   to   get   it   shipped   here,   it&#39;s   so   expensive.   But   you   know   what   we   all   do?   We   all   just   go   and   we   buy   it   on   Amazon   because   Amazon,   when   you   have   Prime,   will   just   include   it,   and   they&#39;re   the   ones   paying   the   like   $200   a   tire   for   shipping.   And   so   that&#39;s   always   been   in   my   brain   is   like,   I   don&#39;t   know   if   Anchorage   is   has   these   problems,   or   if   this   was   like   the   smaller   town   we   were   in.   But   as   soon   as   I   saw   Anchorage,   I   was   like,   you&#39;re   you   are   out   there.   We&#39;re   out   in   the   we&#39;re   in   the   continental   United   States,   we&#39;re   in   like   the   middle,   we&#39;re   like   20   minutes   away   from   an   Amazon   warehouse.   We   might   have   a   different   experience.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>43:45</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah.   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   in   ground   zero   for   Amazon   warehouses   here,   so   it&#39;s   no   problemo.   I   haven&#39;t   lost   a   package   in   years.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>43:52</time>
      <p>
          And   we&#39;re   not   looking   to   ship   any   kids   like   cross   country   with   Amazon,   we&#39;re   looking   for   like   14   minute   drive.   Around   the   corner,   which   is   kind   of   like   the   Amazon   bread   and   butter.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>44:03</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   true.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>44:05</time>
      <p>
          But   if   that   didn&#39;t   work,   we   had   somebody   from   Mississippi   who   said   the   entire   tracking   conversation   about   your   kids   getting   lost   on   the   bus.   I   just   say   buy   some   air   tags   and   throw   them   in   their   backpack   or   put   them   on   their   in   their   shoes.   Batteries   last   about   a   year.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>44:20</time>
      <p>
          Okay,   this   is   actually   a   really   great   idea.   However,   I   looked   into   air   tags   because   I   also   had   this   thought   of   like,   well,   I&#39;ll   just   sew   an   air   tag   into   her   backpack.   And   the   problem   is,   is   air   tags   don&#39;t   have   their   own   GPS   thing.   They   actually   have   to   ping   off   of   something   every   15   minutes.   And   so   if   it&#39;s   every   15   minutes,   it&#39;s   not   real   time.   Like   I   have   no   idea.   She&#39;s   just   gonna   be   showing   like   she&#39;s   at   the   school   for   like   30   minutes,   and   I&#39;m   gonna   have   no   idea   if   she&#39;s   actually   on   the   bus   or   not.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>44:49</time>
      <p>
          So   but   it   would   be   positive   if   she&#39;s   like   an   hour   late.   You&#39;d   be   like,   oh,   where   is   she?   Oh,   looks   like   she&#39;s   on   the   road.   That&#39;s   probably   a   bus.   15   minutes   later,   you   see   a   different   spot.   Like   you&#39;d   have   some,   you&#39;d   have   a   little   bit   of   an   update.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>45:03</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   true.   But   the   problem   is,   is   like   her   school   is   a   seven-minute   drive   from   our   house.   So   it&#39;s   under   the   15   minutes.   And   yeah,   we   actually   last   week   the   bus   just   like   didn&#39;t   show   up.   And   like   it   was   an   hour   before   we   got   her   again.   I   was   just   like,   wow.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>45:20</time>
      <p>
          There&#39;s   so   bad.   There   also   was   uh   one   point   I   bought   some   air   tags   and   I   did   not   want   to   be   like   replacing   these   batteries   constantly,   and   it   just   seemed   kind   of   wasteful.   But   also,   like   I   just   want   to   throw   it   in   my   backpack   and   never   think   about   it   again.   And   I   wanted   one   in   the   bag   that   I   use   when   I   travel,   never   think   about   it   again.   And   so   I   found   online   there&#39;s   a   company   that   has   like,   I   think   they   call   it   like   the   10-year   air   tag.   And   basically   it&#39;s   you   take   the   air   tag   piece,   and   then   they   just   have   like   double-A   batteries   in   there   that   it   like   connects   to   the   air   tag   piece,   and   then   it&#39;s   just   kind   of   powers   this   air   tag   for   a   really   long   time.   I   bought   them   a   few   years   ago,   it   sat   in   my   bag,   and   now   when   you   know   the   bag   hasn&#39;t   shown   up   from   you   know   the   flight,   then   I   go   look   and   I&#39;m   like,   oh,   it&#39;s   back   there.   It&#39;s   it&#39;ll   be   up   here   in   a   minute.   And   so   you&#39;ve   got   tracking   all   the   time.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>46:14</time>
      <p>
          See,   that&#39;s   nice.   Yeah,   it&#39;s   just   I   think   if   I   want   like   the   real-time   tracking,   which   is   what   I   do   want,   is   the   actual   real-time   tracking,   I   will   have   to   buy   her   a   phone,   which   I   don&#39;t   really   want   to   give   my   nine-year-old   a   phone.   Don&#39;t   do   it.   So   I&#39;m   not   doing   it.   So   she&#39;s   just   we&#39;re   just   gonna   like   fingers   crossed   that   she   makes   it   off   the   bus.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>46:33</time>
      <p>
          Though,   all   right,   so   this   is   crazy.   If   you   did   need   a   phone,   I&#39;ve   got   one   for   you   because   this   is   over   two   years   ago.   My   friend   who&#39;s   down   a   few   hours   from   me   is   like   on   Facebook   Marketplace   and   buy   wants   to   buy   a   chair   and   it   like   fits   their   house,   whatever.   And   it&#39;s   this   West   Elm   chair,   and   they&#39;re   like,   and   it&#39;s   kind   of   near   you.   I&#39;m   like,   okay,   I&#39;ll   go   check   it   out   for   you.   I   go   over   there,   I   look,   and   I&#39;m   like,   looks   standard.   FaceTime   M,   they   want   it,   they   get   a   price,   whatever.   I   throw   it   in   the   truck.   And   as   I&#39;ve   like   gotten   home,   um,   there&#39;s   something   bouncing   around   in   the   bed   of   the   truck,   and   a   phone   had   fallen   out   of   the   chair.   So   it&#39;s   like   a   lazy   boy   chair   or   something.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>47:17</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   so   it   wasn&#39;t   yours.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>47:19</time>
      <p>
          No,   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   their   phone.   So   like   I&#39;m   not   sure   for   sure   if   it&#39;s   my   phone   or   their   phone,   but   it&#39;s   in   the   bed   of   my   truck.   Yeah.   And   now   I&#39;m   a   couple   hours   away.   So   I   charge   it   up.   I   take   a   photo   and   I   text   it   to   the   person.   I   was   like,   hey,   is   this   your   phone?   She   goes,   Yeah,   we   lost   that   two   years   ago   and   have   been   looking   for   it.   Okay,   great.   Come   get   it   anytime.   Wait,   wait,   this   has   already   been   had   been   lost   for   two   years.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>47:44</time>
      <p>
          Oh   my   gosh.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>47:45</time>
      <p>
          Lost   in   2022.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>47:47</time>
      <p>
          And   they   were   just   like,   Well,   great,   I&#39;ll   come   get   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>47:50</time>
      <p>
          And   I&#39;m   like,   Great,   just   text   me   when   you&#39;re   on   your   way.   She&#39;s   like,   I   will   text   you   next   when   next   time   I&#39;m   near   your   house.   Today,   I   got   a   text   that   said,   Hey,   no,   it&#39;s   been   a   couple   of   years,   still   got   that   phone.   What?   So   she&#39;s   on   her   way,   and   once   we   get   off   of   Buzzcast,   I&#39;m   gonna   deliver   this   phone   back   that   you&#39;ve   been   holding   on   to   for   two   years.   And   they   don&#39;t   have   the   chair   anymore.   The   chair   has   been   like   sold   and   resold   already,   but   I&#39;ve   now   been   doing   phone   storage.   You   know,   I&#39;m   storing   this   somebody&#39;s   old   cracked   iPhone   7   in   my   office.   So   that&#39;s   wild   you   kept   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>48:33</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know   if   I   would   have   done   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>48:35</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   even   know   if   I   really   knew   what   the   phone   was.   Because   I&#39;ve   got   old,   you   know,   you&#39;ve   got   old   iPads   and   stuff,   and   I   just   have   like   a   a   little   bucket   with   all   these   old   electronics.   Yeah.   In   case   you&#39;re   like,   oh,   do   we   have   any   of   those   old   photos   or   something?   So   but   I   plugged   it   in   and   it   booted   up.   It&#39;s   I   I   can&#39;t,   I   can&#39;t   get   into   it,   but   um,   hopefully   they   can.   So   yeah,   I   now   returning   this   phone   four   years   later.   Hopefully,   there&#39;s   something   good   on   there.
      </p>

        <cite>Jordan</cite>
      <time>49:01</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   they   probably   saw   that   the   new   iPhone&#39;s   coming   out   and   they&#39;re   like,   we   gotta   upgrade.   I   hope   he&#39;s   still   out   of   that   old   phone.   We   can   trade   it   in.
      </p>

        <cite>Alban</cite>
      <time>49:09</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   a   little   trade   in.
      </p>

        <cite>Theme Music</cite>
      <time>49:11</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>