The C.H.O.D.E.S. Podcast
Two cousins, Maria and Leslie, discussing wild personal experiences in relationships, current events, and just life. We are sharing our experiences for relatability and entertainment. There will be laughs with a lot of gasps and we will also get down to the very intimate and raw details of the dating world and life lessons at every turning point.
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The C.H.O.D.E.S. Podcast
Leslie's Villain Origin Story: The Devil
We navigate the ever-changing tides of relationships and personal growth, from the joy of family celebrations to the hard-hitting lessons learned from betrayal. Join us for a heartfelt look at how the years add layers to our desires, chill weekends and early nights the new norm over the clubbing nights of our youth.
Remember MySpace and the early days of digital courtship? Leslie will take us on a journey telling us about her most toxic relationship. Our candid conversation also dives into the emotional complexities of deception in relationships, revealing the shock of discovering a partner's hidden life and the resilience required to move forward from such deep betrayals.
The wisdom of hindsight shines through as we reflect on past relationships and the strength it takes to confront and overcome toxicity. Sharing personal stories of confronting a man who lived a double life and the raw emotions that come with facing deceit head-on. This episode isn't just a trip down memory lane; it's about the hard-earned lessons that teach us to trust our instincts and the courage it takes to set boundaries in the pursuit of authentic connections.
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hello everyone. Welcome to cousins honestly, openly discussing everything spicy welcome to the chodes I think that's already a part of it. I don't know. I feel like it adds a little touch, a little touch, a little touch. Okay. Oh my God, You're funny how you doing ma'am.
Speaker 2:Contemplating life choices, but that's what today's about too.
Speaker 1:Aren't we all? Oh yeah, Is that what it's called Foreshadowing? When you're reading?
Speaker 2:Foreshadowing of my life, yeah.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Contemplating work life. How about you?
Speaker 1:Literally same, but information that cannot be disclosed here. So, yeah, how about you? Are you excited about this weekend?
Speaker 2:tell us what you're doing this weekend? Oh okay, yeah, this weekend we're celebrating, uh, birthdays in my family and we're gonna go to my brother's ranch and we're gonna drink I don't know, eat. I think what every tourist's dream is drink and eat and just relax that sounds like a chill weekend maybe do some s'mores, maybe look at the stars.
Speaker 1:Oh, that sounds nice. I've literally never done s'mores my entire life. I don't know what that experience is like.
Speaker 2:See, bitch, you should have gone.
Speaker 1:We're going to have our own moment. I know, I know.
Speaker 2:But it's because this weekend kind of sucks because it's also Mother's Day weekend. A lot of my friends are not going to be there, Like who I want there are not going to be there, so it's not as fun and enjoyable.
Speaker 1:I mean are not going to be there, so it's not as fun and enjoyable. I mean, it's going to be fun and enjoyable regardless because you're going to be with yeah, you know, like I think it's a my family. I think it's a very niche thing this weekend, um, but we'll get to do it. Niche what the hell does that mean me? Niche is like it's like a very specific little group of of things like um, like the niche of our podcast is like talking about relationships and dating and stuff like that. That's our niche. So like the niche of your weekend is like your family, like you guys celebrating you guys's birthdays, you know okay.
Speaker 1:Terminology by I think that's what it means. Do not quote me, no.
Speaker 2:Well, I just learned a new word, so I was like niche, like cats, mish mish.
Speaker 1:No, it's with an N oh okay, I was like what'd you say this?
Speaker 2:podcast is becoming educational, apparently Education for me, man. I'm about to. I go into my batch. What is it? I was gonna say bachelorette, this ignorant fool. Okay, this is why I'm stuck where I'm stuck. There's always room for improvement.
Speaker 1:I'm stuck where I'm stuck, there's always room for improvement.
Speaker 2:Okay, you're going to help me with that.
Speaker 1:Always. Oh my God, well, I don't have any dating updates. I actually do have a dating update for you. I deleted all the apps because I cannot deal with men Like I, just no, I just figured, damn. You know, after the Columbia dude told me that I was really selfish, that I just wanted to give people scraps of my time, I was like you know what, not even that I don't want to give no man nothing, no time. So I was like fuck this.
Speaker 1:Not a dime, not my time. No, literally after our conversation last week, when we were talking about like how we give invest time in relationships and stuff, I was like I'm not willing to do that right now. I just can't. So I went and I deleted all of them. It's hard.
Speaker 2:It's hard. They are hard On both ends, on both ends. Yeah, I mean, you know, living the whole life is cool and all but no, I just don't feel like I don't have the energy to do the whole life anymore. That's what I thought, although, you know, know it's like, although, although it's well, enticing.
Speaker 1:It's enticing sometimes, but it gets old real fast. I think, like 10 years ago it was really fun because, I don't know, responsibilities were less, like it was more fun, or whatever. But now that I'm 31, I'm like, do I really want to keep doing this? No, like, I want something that's solid. And in order to get solid, I think, like I have to get in touch with myself. Oh, my god, that sounds so fucking instagram. But, um, you know what I mean, right, you're? You know where I'm going yeah, like.
Speaker 2:I think we're entering that stage in our life that we used to be like we would see the señoras and we would be like why are you in a rush to start your life Like we're? Like you're young and now we're like? Okay, now we know.
Speaker 1:Right. I mean I don't feel old. I don't feel old most of the time. I mean I don't feel old, I don't feel old most of the time. Today I went somewhere where, like everyone that was attending at this place was really young and I was listening to their conversations and I was like, oh my God, like they were talking about going out, like going clubbing, and how the club was like open late, and they mentioned 1 am and I like that's too late and then I was like, okay, yeah, I am getting older seriously, like remember like us meeting up at eight was just to get ready, just to get ready.
Speaker 2:Get to a club at 10, like spend hours getting ready, and then we would go yeah, no, now it's like if you don't hit me up by eight, we're not doing shit dude.
Speaker 1:I used to go to weho and stay at. What is it? Mickey's the one that closes at 4 am. Now I wake up at 4 am and I'm like, oh, thank god, I still have time to sleep. Now I wake up at 4am and I'm like, oh, thank god, I still have time to sleep right the golden days. But on that note, do you want to tell us about your golden days?
Speaker 2:I don't know. This one was not golden at all, so this is not my golden I think.
Speaker 1:I think we're how it started.
Speaker 2:It was exciting and then it became a nightmare, so maybe start at the beginning I mean, okay, it started off like you know what every everybody wants and fantasizes, and then it ended up being like the common story that you see in like movies and stuff, and you're like no, this can't be real, this will never happen in real life, like no, anyways, okay, let the storytelling begin. So I was 19. So yeah, I was 19. This was back in the MySpace era.
Speaker 1:For those of you who don't know what that is, that's like an old school Instagram had us coding and shit. We were smarter back then.
Speaker 2:But anyway, I digress, carry on yeah, I literally had us coding to create these little pages to make a more like personal, whatever. Well, you know, we all had your, our friends there and people saw who you, you like, favorited as your friends dude for real per se and we were, we were.
Speaker 1:We like didn't give a shit, we had like our top five friends. Sometimes, when people per se and we were, we were, we like didn't give a shit, we had like our top five friends. Sometimes when people would only have like two, we like fuck the rest of you.
Speaker 2:I don't like you enough to have you in my top five and then people would get like salty, like why don't you have me?
Speaker 2:oh my god yeah, so in that time I was in a relationship, my first ever relationship, my first boyfriend, my first kiss, my first whatever. So I knew nothing of being with someone else but this person. Anyways, I got hit up on my space so someone slid in my dms for the new generation, I guess and you know he was good looking, he was very attractive, very much what I was interested in, very much my type. And you know I was talking to him and I didn't see anything wrong because the way, being naive, i't know and I liked the attention, it was a huge confident boost and I was like this guy cannot be interested in me. Oh, he's probably just looking for a friend or something. And we had one common friend which was our cousin not you, not, it was a male cousin and he was the one who told me like oh my gosh, you're overthinking it. He's a nice guy, he probably just wants to be your friend. I don't know how I got advice from him In hindsight, like probably don't take advice from him, right.
Speaker 2:Like yeah. So I took advice from the wrong male let's just say that and I was like you know what he's right? And he said you know, you girls overthink it. You guys think that because a guy is nice to you, he wants to marry you, and he, he made a good point and I was like, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:So I was like yeah, maybe he wants to be friends. Yeah, that makes sense, mi vida, I know.
Speaker 2:I'm so stupid and anyways. So, yeah, I gave him my number, we exchanged numbers, we started texting and the text, you know, became really nice, like he was always nice, and so we decided to finally meet, and we were going to meet at a park, you know, and this is where you're involved, mariah, because Mariah didn't know any english.
Speaker 1:She was just straight from guatemala over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like then, around that time I didn't live here, I was on vacation only and she accompanied my friend and myself to go drop me off at the park, because, you know, I like to be safe too. And I was like, well, I don't know, and I'm meeting up this person that I've never met in my life and only my male cousin knows, and I knew nothing about. But apparently he went to our high school and he was older. He was older than me, four years older. I was just going to ask older than me? Uh, four years older? I was just gonna ask yeah, he was four years older than me and he is four, he's not dead, he's four years older than me.
Speaker 2:And yeah, we met up at this park and it was fun. Like, know he was, he made me feel really special, like he was like you're so beautiful and, oh my gosh, and I'm so lucky, the whole nine yards. And he was like oh, are you hungry? Let's go get a bite to eat, and then we'll go. I'm laughing, I'm laughing. I'm laughing because this is after the cinnamon roll story.
Speaker 1:She was traumatized. I need a.
Speaker 2:I was traumatized and I was like, oh my God, a guy's going to take me out to eat, I better have my wallet. And I remember having my wallet and I was so scared to order anything Cause I was like I don't know if I'm going to have to pay, so I'm just gonna, you know, like I don't know if I'm gonna have to pay, so I'm just gonna, you know. And I didn't want to eat because, like you know, I'm a lady and I was like I don't want to eat in front of him, especially not wienerschnitzel in front of him. I don't want to eat a glizzy in front of him. So I was like, oh, I'll just take a large Dr Pepper.
Speaker 2:And, um, he was really nice, like the way he was, he was very friendly with the workers and I was like, okay, so this guy has manners. And he was just like everything I wanted, like he knew what I liked, which is the scary part. So you know, in my family my dad were fans of the Brazil soccer team. You know, in our family, right, and he went to the extremes to say that he was Brazilian.
Speaker 1:Wait, is he not?
Speaker 2:I believed it for the long. Oh, ok, maybe I should say that.
Speaker 1:Oh, shut the fuck up, because that's a bum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, see. This is why I didn't want, this is why I didn't want to give you the details, because I was like you're going to find out right now.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, okay. So yeah, he told me that he was Brazilian, and you know, it makes sense, the last name and everything and that he played soccer, which is true, he did play soccer in our high school and what else. He was just good looking and we had the same tastes in music, same tastes in a lot of things, and so when we ordered the food or whatever, I was about to pay and he was like, what are you doing? Like he was so appalled I was he's, like I can pay for your soda. And I was just okay, hear me giving away that.
Speaker 2:I'm not used to this kind of treatment. Oh my god, because I wasn't so already. That was a panty dropper, you know. I was like, oh, he's gonna pay for my soda. Oh, we're done, it's, it's a done deal, right? So we drove around. This is where he was telling me like everything about himself and like what he liked about me, and it was just like, you know, when you click with someone and you're just like, oh my god, like this is the one and I don't know, it felt weird, it felt different, and uh, we were driving around, which is why I didn't text you guys we'll get to that in another time.
Speaker 1:I should add that this whole time that leslie is like having the this wonderful experience of getting her soda paid, her friend and I are over here thinking that she got kidnapped. But yeah, that's a story for another day, oh my god that is.
Speaker 2:But anyways, uh, I'm gonna make that, I'm gonna wrap that little part, that little intro part up, um, but we, we stopped by at the park again. We finished hit well, he finished eating and I finished my soda and we were playing around in the, in the playground and stuff. Nothing to sketch, huh.
Speaker 2:We go to the car and we start making out, making out leads to something else and we basically fucked in the car and but it's not a hey, because then that's when my friend came going around the car like this is his car, this is car where, like someone's outside, it's like someone's outside. But I'll share that for another time because that we need to go into that, because that whole experience was a different level and so okay, yeah, so very wrong of me. Very wrong of me because I was in a relationship and I knew I fucked up and my friend I have a really good friend and she was going to hold me accountable to it and she put me on check, basically, and so I ended my relationship. My ex knew what I did, so it was wrong and it became a whole thing. Right, lesson learned.
Speaker 2:So a couple years after that, I talked to no one, not him. I talked to no one because I knew I messed up and just being with this guy or continuing something with this guy was always going to remind me of something that I messed up in, you know, like something that I was ashamed of. So I didn't want to continue anything with him, but he was always persistent, like he kept hitting me up. So I was like what, if I'm turning down something that's really good. So we kept this like situation ship up. We started, you know, seeing each other more.
Speaker 2:I didn't drive at the time, he would pick me up from work, you know, just hanging out and hooking up Fun stuff. You know we did crazy stuff and when, when you like someone, you do crazy things for them. So, like he had his fantasies and you know me being young and exploring and I'm very open-minded I would follow through. You know like we went to don't do this, guys, because it's very it can get you into a lot of trouble. We went to adult continuation school and in the soccer field because there was a soccer field, we basically went at night and we just fucked in the middle of it.
Speaker 1:And it was.
Speaker 2:yeah, it was very fun. So a lot of my I guess sexual exploration happened with him and it was fun. It was always exciting. I never knew what trouble we were going to get into and he liked a lot of public stuff. So we would do a lot of stuff in public, things that you know, maybe we can talk in in private, but there's things that I'm not comfortable with sharing. Um, he's, he had fantasies and I was, oh, yeah, yeah, like I'll do it, because you know I really liked him and I really wanted to show that I really liked him and that I was down for him and he had this. What do you call it? Cuckolding, probably saying it wrong.
Speaker 1:Probably that's for people who don't know. It's like men like watching their women doing stuff with other men, right, and them not participating like they like watching yeah, they end up not participating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he liked that kind of stuff and I always like questioned it. But I mean, I knew his history with his ex so I'm like, oh, it probably stems off of like, well, his ex cheated on him and you know, he probably wants to be in control, kind of like, if I let you do it and I'm watching you do it, it's like, oh, I gave you the power to do it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I always thought, I always related that to him with that fantasy. So, yeah, that happened and this was like already five years, five years of doing that shit with him and going to his house. I know it's crazy, huh. Like we were never in a relationship. It was always like clear it was a situationship. But then he would get me with like what do you call that Gaslight?
Speaker 1:me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He would gaslight yeah, he would gaslight me with the oh, but you're my girlfriend and why are you going out with so-and-so? And you know, like me and you would go out and you know we would. I was single. So to me, in my mentality, I'm single, I can do whatever the fuck I want, but he would always get me with the but you're my girlfriend, you're cheating on me or something to guilt, trip me, and it would always fucking work.
Speaker 2:And it would always work. Because then I go here, I'm back, I'm sorry, I didn't know you loved me and I didn't know Because he would say that shit. But I go here, I'm back, I'm sorry, I didn't know you loved me and I didn't know because you know he would say that shit like but I love you and you're my girl and things like that dumbass me. But yeah, I would go to his house because he had he moved closer. Okay, he, he was living, he was already living close, but he moved closer to me according to be near me, right, and I would spend the night over there. I would go to his place and you know I would go into his bathroom and you know I never saw anything wrong, like never saw any red flags.
Speaker 1:But we've established. You're blind to them, so I'm blind to them yeah.
Speaker 2:So you guys know my initial is L for Leslie, right? Know, my initial is L for Leslie, right? So in the in the bathroom, on the cabinet, it's made of wood, right, and it had carved our initials what I thought was ours, right, because you know L. And then I saw his initial and so I was like he's so with me and there's no one else and he loves me, right. But there were stuff that I was like I would question it. I would question it and he knew what to say to make me believe it.
Speaker 2:Um, he, he wore a ring. You guys, I know I'm stupid, I know he wore a ring one time and I told him, like that's new, you know where'd you get that? And he was like I've always had it. And I was like no, you haven't. Did you get married? Like is there something you're not telling me? And he was like no, I wear it so that people don't hit on me. Like, so, no one comes after me, but I'm with you, babe. All these lies, he was the notorious gaslighter, like this fool knew how to manipulate my mind to make me believe whatever he was telling me. And yeah, obviously you guys know where this is going. So fast forward to being seven years deep into this shit. He's, you know, I find out he's married Right, and I remember, I know, the day that he got married. It was a day that I was just like hey, he called me on my birthday at 5am, remember.
Speaker 1:Maria.
Speaker 2:Like we were about to go to Vegas. Yeah, he knew I was going to go to Vegas. He knew about that trip. He knew that I wasn't going to be available to him and he called me in the morning, wished me happy birthday, and I was just like this is so not like him, but I was like it's going well, he's getting in deep with me. And then the next time I saw him he had 514 on his arm tattooed.
Speaker 1:He had a lot of tattoos, right, I'm like, yeah, he had a lot of tattoos, right.
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, he had a lot of tattoos. Yep, you know, he was good looking, he was attractive and everything. And I asked him oh, this is new. And I was like you got my and me stupid right. Oh, you got my birthday tattooed on you. And it was like, yeah, you know, I just love you. And bullshit after bullshit. So how did I find out he's married? So, in 2017, um, we were still talking, clearly, and he had called me before he got home from work and he said, oh, um, I know it's late and I just wanted to call you before I got inside the house because, um, I don't even know, but he sounded really sketch, something was off. And I was like, okay, yeah, no worries, I'm glad you got home safe. Stupid, and you know, like every girl, every girl becomes a CIA. They put their CIA cap and they start investigating these fools.
Speaker 2:I never felt the need to investigate no one I'm very trusting. So if I believe you, I believe you and I believed him and we hung up and in less than 10 minutes I found out everything. All because I got curious. I was like, let me be like the girls, let me investigate. Let me be like the girls, let me see if I can out everything, all because I got curious.
Speaker 1:I was like, let me be like the girls, let me investigate.
Speaker 2:Let me be like the girls, let me see if I can find anything. Like. You're not a girl and you know that I suck at computers. I suck at computers, you know that. And I was like, well, let me see. And I knew he didn't have social media, he didn't have Facebook or anything. And I knew he didn't have social media, he didn't have a Facebook or anything.
Speaker 2:And I found his mom and I saw all the brothers and I saw all the brothers' wives, because he only had brothers, he didn't have sisters. And I saw all the wives and it was kind of like, connect the dots, you know Well, this girl belongs to this guy and this girl belongs to this guy. Connect the dots, you know well, this girl belongs to this guy and this girl belongs to this guy. And then when I got to one girl, I was like all the brothers already have wives. He doesn't have a wife. Who's this one went on her page and I saw all their wedding pictures, uh, their apartment, the apartment that I would go spend the night at, everything, everything. They got married on my birthday of that one year. That I knew that he called me suspiciously and this is why I have trust issues, and I was. He did everything so perfect. He proposed to her at a place that you know, we all knew.
Speaker 2:But yeah, where it's like he just timed everything so well and he got his cake and some more. You know, he got his cake and some more, you know. So one time his mother, who I've never met in my life, came into my place of work and I knew her because I, you know, I knew her through pictures and all that, and we had this thing where I would look at her and then she would look at me and then I wasn't looking. I could feel that she was staring at me and then, when she wasn't looking, I would stare at her and we just kept looking at each other. And eventually she approached me and she said do I know you?
Speaker 2:And I said no, and she saw something you know, and she was like hey, are you from where we live, right, the area where we live? And I said yes, and she was like what high school did you go to? And I told her and she's like oh, so you know my boys? And I said I do. And the first thing his mother said to me was were my boys good to you?
Speaker 2:no, ma'am and you know when you don't want to lie to a mother, yeah, you could. You could just tell you're gonna break her heart. I said, yeah, I know your sons and they were good to me. And she said, which ones do you know? And my instinct was like to mention two and I was like she was with her granddaughter. So I I was like, oh, I know her dad and I know your younger son, because the younger son was in my grade level when we were in high school, so that was easier to say oh wait, you didn't even mention the devil.
Speaker 2:I didn't even mention the devil, you're such a good person. I didn't even mention him. I am a good person, I am a good person. And she looked at me and she was like, oh well, did you know that's? You know, my younger one is gonna have another baby. And I was like, yeah, and I'm like playing along with the cheese. And I was like, yeah, I saw that, you know like congrats and yada, yada. And then she was like, and and I told her I was like, oh, and I know that so-and-so is also having a baby, and I also know that, and I mentioned, the devil had a daughter too. And this is after I found out everything right.
Speaker 2:And yeah, and she says oh, yeah, you do know our family. And I was like, yeah, I thought you looked familiar, so that's how I kind of brushed it off, and I was, and she was so excited to tell me about her grandbabies, right, and I want to break her heart, so I was just listening, so you decided to break yours instead.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:And yeah. So I asked her, you know like, oh, I find it interesting how you know we were talking about the names of the grandbabies and I told her this and I was like but I'm amazed that you know, none of your sons named their, their kids, after your culture, like a Brazilian name, and I said Brazilian and she was like this is literally her verbatim. Oh no, you know blank. And she said the devil's name and I could just see it in her face Like she was just like damn.
Speaker 1:Like this was a liar.
Speaker 2:This was. And then I was like yes, how'd you know? And she was like in his wedding speech he said that he joked and he said he wished our family from Brazil was there. But we're not Brazilian, we just have friends and family from there, oh, girl, and that he's always been fascinated with the brazilian culture so he's just a liar he lied to me all around he lied to me about that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's how I found out. I was like, what else is a lie? Because so, yeah, ma' man, that was tough. And I like how she said in our, in his wedding speech, right, and I was like, well, I already know that you're not breaking my heart on that one, and she was just like nice to meet you. And I can tell that she was like, right there, she knew exactly the situation I was in. Really, you think she knew like, right there, she knew exactly the situation I was in.
Speaker 2:Really, you think she knew Well, she knows her sons better than oh yeah, well yeah, because the first thing she said to me were my son's good to you.
Speaker 1:I would have been like no, ma'am.
Speaker 2:I was like a mother knows, a mother knows. So when she knew, like that was a dead giveaway, was like oh so you knew this person and you know. I never told him and this again, another nice thing I did I never told him that I met her and what she said to me, nor will he ever know, unless he listens to this. Unless he listens to a shout out TikTok. Just kidding. Well, you do know that he's seen my stuff from time to time on TikTok.
Speaker 1:Oh well then. Hey, what's up, dude, hi I hope the what is it?
Speaker 2:What was it? What was going on in the Carolinas? I hope the hurricane got you Well, I don't even know where the fuck I gave away your location.
Speaker 1:I was like now I gave away the location. Yeah, I mean, the us is pretty big, so anyway, right anyways, this is like around what.
Speaker 2:The seventh eighth mark.
Speaker 1:Eight year mark.
Speaker 2:Well, we already found out that he was married, so this was 2018. I found out he was married in June of 2017.
Speaker 1:I remember that call.
Speaker 2:And we met in 2009. That's crazy. So in 2018, because again and this was after I met his mom oh well, there's more to the story of me meeting his mom. Um, his brother passed away, so when I saw his mom, that was also in my interaction with her. I gave her my condolences for the loss of her son and he did reach out to me and he left me a message that was I think I can tell that there was a connection. Maybe it was the wrong timing or he just did me wrong. I don't know why. He felt comfort in telling me, but he reached out to tell me that he lost his brother.
Speaker 2:It was a voice message and it was just a lot, and I can tell that it was very sincere. It was different, right, it was like no fucking around right there. And as much as I want to be a bitch because it's like you fucking hurt me. You wasted my youth, my years, playing with me and you went and started a family when I could have done that, I couldn't be a bitch. I couldn't, and instead I just I sent him like the shortest but nicest message.
Speaker 2:I just said I'm sorry for your loss. I truly am, and I know that we always want to see those people that we lose one more time, tell them how much we love them, see them one more time, hear them laugh one more time. And it hurts to know that that's not going to happen, but I hope you treasure the memories you had with him. All I said and I got a message that it was like. It confirmed to me that I was like I don't know. I guess it was just validating what I knew was there, but at the same time it pissed me off.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, hold on. What do you mean? What do you mean? What was there? What are you referring to?
Speaker 2:He responded with as much as I want to block you, this is why I can't, Because I love you so much.
Speaker 1:What a fucking narcissist man. He disgusts me to my very fucking core.
Speaker 2:So he pissed me off because he's like oh, so you want to block me, how do you think I feel? And then he has the nerve to say that and I was like, yeah, it's like something that you know. What do we say? Like, oh, I know, I got it, but it's always nice to hear it validated. But and that was the last time I heard from him and then, I think in during pandemic, he messaged me on facebook. He got a facebook, but then now he deleted it and he messaged I.
Speaker 1:I love how she knows keeping tabs.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I know, I was like I only know because he sent me the messages and then all of a sudden it said Facebook on my messenger. It said, yeah, facebook user. Yeah, so I was like, oh okay, so like instantly, just it was just to message me or what it was just to check on people. And he basically just asked me like how's pandemic treating me? And that he hopes I'm doing well and, yeah, that he hopes I found someone for me. Fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 1:Osea. En pocas horas. I think he's divorced from that girl and I think he got together with some other girl that has like a bunch of daughters, because I don't think he had that many daughters in these amount of years.
Speaker 2:Because I said TikTok right, and you know a person gets curious, so I went and I looked for my fake TikTok account because you should never give away your own and I saw that I was like, see you, he was divorced and if he wasn't, I mean that girl would have been stupid to stay with him, and that's another thing. A lot of people during that time that were close to me and they knew what was going on, they would tell me. So are you gonna tell her, are you gonna message her? And it's like I think you and I have been in that spot, like why am I gonna go after the girl? Like what am I going to get? Like I just are you going to? Because if I knew he gaslighted me, I knew how much he lied to me and I believed him.
Speaker 1:I don't think for me, I don't. I don't know what I told you at the time, but I know that deep inside my heart, like I was never okay with you not telling her, Only because, again, like when I think of cheating, I think I want to know, you think you don't want to know. So you did what you wouldn't want to be done to you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So, like you didn't tell her, because if it was you, you wouldn't want to know Right, but to me it wasn't like going after her, it was like you know como que? Like open her eyes, but at the same time like maybe she had him open and she was just like oh, I'm the main, because a lot of girls have that stupid mentality like oh, he comes home to me, he talks to you, but he comes home to me, you know.
Speaker 2:so yeah, and that's what I got the vibe from this chick, so that's all I was like me telling her is just gonna make her come after me. Yeah, like I'm a liar and he's done it to me before and yeah, yeah yeah, definitely I think I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1:You handled it the best way that you could at the time.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm just a good person to these assholes? Yeah, they don't even know I'm like the less, the least of your worries.
Speaker 2:You're like the least fucking confrontational person I know, girl Right, and then I'm the one that gets fucked over the most and I'm like, how does this happen? I'm like the least of your worries and you're going to lie to me. I literally tell, I would tell him so many, so many times, like you could tell me to like f off. You know, like I, we don't have to keep doing this. If you're not interested, you're not interested, but just don't waste my time, which, in the end, that's how he screwed me over.
Speaker 2:he wasted my time, yeah, because he was always keeping tabs on you yeah, and I I'm sure he still is, and that's like one of my fears that he probably is, and that's why it was always scary to like be online and talk to people, because I'm like, am I really talking to?
Speaker 1:well, because or am I talking to you? I know, I know, because he did create a face, a fake facebook page, remember, like that. We knew with him like a hundred percent. He added me too and he would try to talk to me, ask about you, and I'll be like this motherfucker. You know I'm the master of doing this shit, but he was just, he's just a weirdo all around in my book. You know, I never understood your thing with him, but we all have our little obsessions. Like we said last week, the thing that would get me is how he would get when you wouldn't answer.
Speaker 2:Like all the question marks, the double, triple texting, all the question marks, oh my gosh, traumatizing he would yeah, yeah, it was funny, and for me you would get pissed and I would be like I love this. I love him sending me these question marks. Like, send me those question marks. I will give you a reason to send more question marks.
Speaker 1:You should see me shaking my head, I know.
Speaker 2:Disapproval. No, I love stirring the pot with this fool. Like the more question marks he sent, the more I would try to piss him off. It was scary, though, when my friend was over here. We were getting ready to go out clubbing and what was it? I think she was like oh, I had messaged him to get him angry, right, I wanted attention. So of course, I got the three little question marks and the three little question marks, and then I didn't answer him.
Speaker 2:And my friend that was here getting ready. She messaged him and I don't even know what she said to him. I wish I remembered. But she said something like along the lines like well, then, come here and get me, I'm ready, something like that, I don't know. Something like come over, and he did, because then he was calling me or he said this is not you. And then I was like what'd you say? And she was like nothing. And she kept saying yeah, it's me. Like why are you saying it's not me, this is not you? So he knew it wasn't me. Like that's how psychotic this fool was, like he knew who was me and who was yeah, because he knew you wouldn't stand up to him like that Right.
Speaker 2:He really was your Christian grade dude. I was very submissive to this fucker and I don't even know why I do. Why do you know why? I don't know why I'm like I do. No, he straight up did the countdown like a damn parent, like if you don't come outside by the time I count to three. And here comes Leslie coming and I look at my friend all scared, like with my tail tucked in. I was like girl, I'm so scared and she's like just go, just go. And I was like no, I'm scared and I go. And then I go get it in.
Speaker 1:Oh girl, it's because that's what I mean when I when I say like fucking around 10 years ago, like in our 20s it was, it was a different story because you know, that seems fun, like your whole story with the devil seems fun to a certain extent. Right, but would you, would you be willing or like, would you be down to deal with some shit like that now?
Speaker 2:no, no, hell, no, in fact, like I think it was always like not just you, I think, everybody who knew my story with him. The question was always like what happens if he comes back in your life?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would always ask him what would? I do. I still wonder, to be honest with you, because I don't feel like, maybe now that you're in a relationship. But for me it's always been in the back of my mind Like he could ¿Cómo se dice envolver? For me it's always been in the back of my mind like he could, like, um, he could suck you in right back like wrap me around his, yeah, yeah like I don't think you're as naive as you once were, but he did fucking have a lot of power over you.
Speaker 2:He did, but then again I gave it to him. So that's where I stand my ground. Um, no, I think where I'm at right now I would definitely not. I think like, um, I don't know, like I don't know how I would react, because I do think about it. I'm like what if I see him randomly in the street one day? I'm glad he moved so I don't have to see that. But even when he was here, I'm like am I gonna run into him? And you never did right. It was a thought I never did. I never did so that was a good thing. But like, I was always scared to be in a relationship because I always thought like, oh, what if he comes back and tries to like sabotage it?
Speaker 1:I was always my fear dude.
Speaker 2:That's crazy that, not even like he comes back to be with me.
Speaker 1:Like sabotage, like that's, it's, it was such a psychotic fucking thing with with you and him you see what I mean and that's why I wasn't like.
Speaker 2:I knew that on my end it wasn't gonna be like, oh, me falling for him anymore. I think he hurt me well enough that I was like no, and you know me, I think you know me well enough to be like, oh, okay, well, I would honestly tell you, well, just for one good fuck. No, I can't even say that for him. Really, I want nothing with him. Like, I'm like really, yeah, nothing no, well, that's good.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I mean because, no, I'm like pre-pandemic I think, and you know, I would say that, you know I would be blind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's what I'm saying like 100.
Speaker 1:I would pre-pandemic.
Speaker 2:I think you would have, but now I believe that you wouldn't yeah, pre-pandemic maybe, but no, I was that the hurt was still there.
Speaker 1:Yes, because he was really fucked up man, the way he did everything so calculated. That's probably why you never ran into him too.
Speaker 2:Because he was calculated as fuck. I mean, he knew where I worked and he would do that shit, and he knew where I worked, he knew where I lived, he knew where I lived.
Speaker 1:He could have, and I knew I knew where he lived too, so easily we could have, but so I knew where he worked the L that you mentioned that on his, on his bathroom, the carved L who's fucking it Was that his ex-wife.
Speaker 2:No, that's his ex-wife. Yeah, motherfucker, and that's that it's. It's so crazy, so right.
Speaker 1:Um, no, I don't want to give her no, no, no, I mean of course not, but no, yeah, but her name starts with an l.
Speaker 2:It's definitely not leslie.
Speaker 1:Thank god um, you would have been like change my name right now but they got married on the day of my birth, you know.
Speaker 2:So this would have been what their seventh anniversary. I don't know girl or I'm like I don't know. Eighth anniversary. Eighth anniversary if they were still married, but oh, yeah, I don't think they are, and what's crazy is like there were so many things. It's like he knew, so he ended up having a child, and when I found out about all this because I ended up going to see him that's how stupid it was I went to confront him.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I was going to ask about that, did you ever?
Speaker 2:talk to him about that. Yes, so after I did my 10 minute investigation I found everything out. It made sense, right? I was like, oh, so he called me before he went in the house because his wife is asleep with the baby. So I called him like a pot stir that I am. I called him like a what he was like.
Speaker 1:What was that word potster? Oh pot there I heard. I heard something else. I was like what is that?
Speaker 2:okay, I get it well, no, not pothead, but um, I went and I like called him and he was like hello hey, what happened, are you okay? And I was like are you okay?
Speaker 1:why would he even answer? What an idiot. See, that's what I mean. Men are so fucking useless.
Speaker 2:Carry on oh right, because he was like I just talked to you, so like what's going on, right? And so I was like, oh nothing, I, I need to see you, I need to tell you something, but I have to tell you in person. I guess he was shitting bricks, right, and he was like, okay, well, can we talk tomorrow? And I was like, yeah, tomorrow's fine. Which wasn't fine for me, but we're going to talk tomorrow for sure.
Speaker 2:And he was like, well, I'm working, I'm working. And I was like, well, I'm working, I'm working. And I was like, oh, don't worry, I will go to your place of work and you know me liking to, you know blue ball, these fools, right? I was like, oh, what do you want me to wear? I was making it seem like I was going to go there to surprise him with something kinky, right?
Speaker 2:damn the balls you have, dude, because I wouldn't have. Yeah, oh no, because I wanted him to think that it like he. I wanted him to want to see me. If I tell him that I'm upset and I tell him that you know I found out everything, he's not gonna want to see me, the coward he is no. So, yeah, I went to go see him. I looked good, I made sure that I was going to look good, like this is what we were for.
Speaker 2:I get in his car and I tell him Like, ok, full on detail, right. I get in the car and I look at him and I pretend like I'm going to kiss him and I go down to his pants like I'm about to suck. And then I get up and I say so are we going to talk about your wife or do you want to talk about your daughter? Oh shit. And he looked at me and he was like what do you mean? I thought you knew, bitch. I was like you thought I knew what he's like you. You had to have known that I was married. No, because I believed everything you told me.
Speaker 2:And he was like but we're not good though. We're fighting a lot and she's very bad and she's a horrible wife and I was like she's so horrible that you fucked her. You had a kid with her and your child is now a year old. Like that makes no sense. And he said I don't know if that child is even mine. And when I tell you I was crying, it wasn't because I was crying because I was, you know, hurt, whatever. I was crying because I was like you're a horrible person, because you know what I always say about these men they pay it when they have their kids right. And I'm like I told them I was like you should be ashamed of yourself denying your own child. I was like the child looks just like him.
Speaker 2:Looks exactly like him just like him and I was like I know, and then he was like no, we're trying to do a DNA test. I was like you know what, go, fuck yourself. I got out of the car, went to my car and I stormed off and I'm telling you, this man chased the car, which I didn't think he was gonna do. I think he was gonna be fine with it. And he chased the car and he was calling me because, you know, I left. I left angry, and he knows that I barely knew how to drive too.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, well, at that time I already had a couple years under my belt, so I was good. But, um, I was driving. He kept calling me, calling me until finally I answered and I told him what, what the fuck do you want? Block my number, forget that, forget that I exist, leave me alone. And he said no, are you okay? Like, come back, we'll talk. And I said no, there's nothing left to say. I was like, unless you're going to give me a number to a psychiatrist because, like, fuck you mentally fucked me. I said that to him and that was that was it. I hung up and yeah, and then I didn't hear it from him till a year later, when his brother passed.
Speaker 1:Well, at least he respected that that you said leave me alone.
Speaker 2:Which I don't think he did. I think he was still like.
Speaker 1:I think he was still like I think he was still hoping that you know you would reach out and I would always tell you block him, block him, block him. But I don't know what the deal is with people not wanting to block people.
Speaker 2:I block like there's no tomorrow, but I know I get told a lot to block people and I'm just like you know what. I have nothing to hide. If anything, it was them that needed to hide something from me.
Speaker 1:So I don't think it's like to me it's about hiding, I think. To me it's about, like that person just not having access to me anymore yeah, so that was the story, guys.
Speaker 2:That's devil. So when you guys hear us say the devil, that is literally who I'm describing.
Speaker 1:Just know, his name is very, very appropriate Dude. I fucking hate this man with my entire being Like he was hot. No one is taking that away from him, but he was such a fucking dick. Well, I'm glad that it's out there, if you're listening, bro. Fuck you Right. All right, fuck you alright. Well, I think we're gonna leave my story for next week. We're gonna do this a two part episode, because these motherfuckers apparently deserve a whole hour each.
Speaker 2:So just so you guys know the damage that we we went through and where we're coming from and I'm still standing.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just kidding, but yeah, right uh-huh, that one.
Speaker 2:That's my favorite song, dude for real.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think it says a lot about women and men, you know, sometimes Because some women are fucked up, but it says a lot about us that we get so hurt in these relationships with these like worthless-ass men and yet we're willing to still give it a shot, to still date, to still put ourselves back out there and not become the bitches that we should be, because, despite everything that we've been through like especially you with that story and you have another devil what, what? What do we call him? Not the devil.
Speaker 2:He's, um, less than nothing, um, yeah like, yeah, I was like the less than nothing or the team owner, which one?
Speaker 1:no, no, the team owner is still like not decent, you know, but he's still not as bad as the other two. Um, but you know, like after all that look at you, you're in a like healthy, happy relationship now.
Speaker 2:So I know which I thought was like. I took it as like I was undeserving, because my whole experience with this fool was like oh, it's my karma for what I did to the first one, right yeah, you carried that guilt for a long time, but I did, I did.
Speaker 1:I mean, you were young, you were stupid and shit happens. You know, life, life goes on. So true, alright. Well, is there anything you would like to add, anything you would like to say to him?
Speaker 2:I would like to say to him, I would like to him Thank you. Now I know my worth and now I know what to look out for and avoid your ass In my whole life.
Speaker 1:There you go. Please stay on your side of town, thank you.
Speaker 1:Please stay in the Carolinas and let the hurricanes fuck you over. Well, he is a devil. So All right, babe. Well, thank you for sharing. I'm sure this will be useful to someone because, according to our analytics, there's a lot of young people that listen to us and they're still impressionable. So if you're going through a situation like this, just know obviously you're not the only one, and it gets better and just kind of be aware of the signs, because the signs were there, the flags were there. My girl over here is just you know, she's more like black, and that time I had glasses, so she saw after I got the lasik I was able to see.
Speaker 1:She saw everything technicolor. She was like red. What red? Who? I don't know that color.
Speaker 2:Oh, all right, babe all right, guys, we'll see you guys next week or we'll talk to you guys next week I know.
Speaker 1:Happy early birthday to you I hope you have an amazing weekend. We will do something at a later time. Yeah, looking forward to it. Love you to google baby. All right guys, have a good night.
Speaker 2:Bye everybody, or have a good day.
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