Episode 68 - Mash Up!

The boys welcome special guest David La Torre and do another mixed bag of categories! Tons of laughs per usual! 

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SPEAKER_14 0:35

You were on the other team and we captured you. And the guy the guy had like a torture thing. He had like this electrical box that you crack up and it puts voltage. And I remember you flipped out.

SPEAKER_18 0:51

I flipped out damn right. No one fucking things.

SPEAKER_14 0:55

We were not gonna have that second.

SPEAKER_09 0:58

Like AJ put up.

SPEAKER_18 1:23

Hey all, welcome to another episode of Past Times at 80s High. Got another great one for you today, another fan favorite. And what we are gonna do is another hodgepodge, mishmash, potpourri, whatever you like to call it. But we're gonna do seven different categories today. That will be that. And of course, I have the boys as always. Dungo, how are you, Ice Hole? Eight, doing very well. Thank you. Good, good. Kevin? Bastages. Yes, sir. And Brother Mark.

SPEAKER_15 1:59

Fantastic, then.

SPEAKER_18 2:00

Awesome, awesome. And I'm AJ. And last but certainly not least, we have a special guest today. And his name is David Latour from Latour Live. And rather than me screw everything up, I'm gonna let him say hello and let you know what he's all about.

SPEAKER_16 2:20

Do you guys ever realize you have uh all your names are like a boy band? Like a you could only be a boy band. I just want to say that for the record. I'm sitting there going to AJ, Kevin, Donnie, and Mark. Like that is a boy band if ever there was one. It's great to be with you guys. Thanks for the great introduction, AJ. I I appreciate it. Dave Latour, Latour Live. We uh we podcast on uh Apple and Spotify and iHeart. We also uh our show began as a radio show in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania on WHP580, where we're on every Saturday at 9 a.m.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

This is LaTour Live with Dave Latour on News Radio, WHP580.

SPEAKER_16 3:09

I actually have a day job. I own a public relations firm, so I only do the radio thing one day a week, uh, but we get a lot of feedback and have a lot of laughs on our show. Um came across you guys one day because I've written a book and and um there's a Gen X real Gen X flair to the book um and ran across you guys one day and just started listening to you and laughing. I'm like, I've got to try and get on that show because those guys have a really good time. So thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_18 3:38

Awesome, of course. Welcome aboard. Yeah, thank you. Glad to have you. Um, one thing about your show uh just me, I thought of it this morning, David, just because I went out, we're in New Hampshire, most of us. It was friggin' like 20 degrees again after this beautiful weather we had had, and you said you had said fake spring. Yes, and you nailed it because man, does it piss me off? It's a knee.

SPEAKER_14 4:05

Mother Nature teases us all spring long.

SPEAKER_10 4:12

Windows open, doors open, letting some fresh air in, and then the furnace is back on and you're freezing to death. Yeah, heat AC heat.

SPEAKER_18 4:23

I fucking hate it. All right. Well, awesome. As always, here on Pastime's at 80s high. We love to get started right out of the gate. And of course, David, being our special guest, you're gonna have the honors today. And what we're gonna start out with is we're gonna do our favorite weekend memory or activity. So off to you, Dave. Welcome aboard.

SPEAKER_16 4:48

Thanks. I appreciate that. Um starting I get to start, I think, the hardest uh uh category of the day. There was a lot of ways I could go here from like just going out to dinner at a nice restaurant or doing nothing on a weekend when in growing up, but for me it was television. Uh those are my best memories of being a kid, and it started Friday night with the Dukes of Hazard, and then later on, uh as we got into the 80s, it became Miami Vice Night. But throughout that whole period of growing up, Saturday nights was Love Boat Fantasy Island night on ABC.

SPEAKER_19 5:27

So, I think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_16 5:46

And I think about those because when you're young and you don't have a driver's license, and your parents send you to your grandparents for sleepovers on the weekend, and there's nothing to do, what do you do? You watch television. Yeah. And so a lot of my childhood was sitting there watching Dukes of Hazard, 8 o'clock on Friday, CBS, Miami Vice, uh 10 o'clock NBC, before they ruined it, sent it to 9, and then Love Boat Fantasy Island on Saturdays. Yes. Nice. All great shows, too. By the way, I knew an actress who uh uh was a just an acclaimed extra uh in the 80s uh on the very first episode of LA Law, but she was an extra on Love Boat all the time. And I'm like, tell me about the pool scenes, and she's like, it's the worst. She goes, It's it's a pool in the middle of basically a garage and it's 40 degrees, and you have to pretend you're outside and you're hot the entire time, and we just froze our asses off.

SPEAKER_15 6:41

She's good shots, I bet.

SPEAKER_16 6:44

Yes. Yes, go back and watch the episodes. Um they're they're freezing cold in those pools, just step by the awesome.

SPEAKER_18 6:52

Awesome. Well, great pit. Thanks. And then we're gonna move right to you, Dungo.

SPEAKER_14 6:59

All right. So, what I love to do, and and like Dave was saying, there's there's a lot. I mean, there was a lot of different things, but one of the things that I like to do with my buddies growing up was go out and we played played war. And I know I talked about this before. Like we'd play army men and you know, and we'd go out, we call them the pits in Massachusetts, and we'd we'd battle each other and you know, pretend we were in Vietnam and stuff. Um, thankfully, I've never had to face combat. But uh, I do want to bring up a thing that when I moved to New Hampshire and met AJ, we went out to play war, and it was more than just bang your dead kind of stuff, because I remember like you probably have PTSD over this event where you were on the other team and we captured you, and the guy had like a torture thing. He had like this electrical box that you crank up and it puts voltage. And I remember you flipped out.

SPEAKER_18 8:00

I flipped out the damn right. No one fucking shocked me. Wait a second.

SPEAKER_09 8:07

Like AJ could put him on the back. Dr.

SPEAKER_13 8:08

Mangalore grow up down the street from you? I remember playing.

SPEAKER_18 8:20

Oh my god, did you flip out? I would have flipped out, right? Oh, I fought them off. They didn't get me. Yeah. You put the white agent. Yeah, I forget his last name. But his name was West.

SPEAKER_09 8:33

Dad was gonna electrocute you? He's gonna electrocute you? And I had the white.

SPEAKER_18 8:40

Unreal.

SPEAKER_14 8:40

Like this guy just brought it out of the blue. Like, you know, we're here, we are just playing for fun, and he brings out this like a sitcom episode. It's almost like a signfall, something Kramer would have done. And it's not like we had to get like, where's your base? Where's your camp or whatever, you know, trying to get info out of you? War games, though, it was called on the 40 years later.

SPEAKER_10 9:01

Which prison is he in? I mean, we know how this turns out.

SPEAKER_14 9:04

I don't even remember who that guy was. He was the organizer of the event, but it was Todd Payne. Oh, okay. You remember his name, probably because of the birds. Wow, Todd Payne.

SPEAKER_18 9:15

He wore corn he wore camels.

SPEAKER_14 9:21

Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 9:24

Sorry to bring that memory back, AJ. I haven't thought of the term war literally in probably 50 years, 40 years. Like that's amazing. Yeah. What a great thing.

SPEAKER_15 9:33

We called it army men back in the day.

SPEAKER_16 9:35

Uh cowboys and Indians, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 9:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 9:38

Remember, we talked, I had dirt clawed fights.

SPEAKER_17 9:40

Yep. Exactly.

SPEAKER_18 9:42

Awesome Donnie stuff.

SPEAKER_10 9:44

And Kevin, that's to you. All right. So I went a little bit older, um, maybe a year or two older than than than what Dave and Donnie were talking about. And my favorite weekend event was looking at my parents on Thursday or Friday and saying, I'm sleeping over at Tony's for the weekend. Nice. And then um and it's crazy because if you saw it happen today, uh you would lose your mind. But we were 13, 14 years old going through the supermarket with his mother while she bought us grocery carts full of beer. And we just had these. They had a huge property with a pond, and we just when we were freshmen, the seniors left their parties. We had huge bonfires, and one of my buddies walked through it. I think I've talked about that before. But that was I worked at a restaurant up the street, a drive-in-style restaurant, and I'd get out at nine or ten o'clock at night, smelling like a French fry, and walk to this guy's house, and we would just get polluted. Uh you know, it was you talk about a sitcom, it was like, it was like any movie from that era. I can remember myself, you know, not understanding uh how to control your alcohol intake at that age. And I just I still have this vision in my mind of like this, she was like that senior girl that was just so hot. And I think she had some kind of like mink stole on at a at a at a party in somebody's backyard. But I remember walking out and looking at her going, yeah, beautiful, and then threw up on myself.

SPEAKER_18 11:17

So did you get her? No.

SPEAKER_10 11:22

Oddly enough, she didn't go, wow. I want this brawl kid that puked on himself. Didn't happen that way. Ooh, funny. So those were the weekends I looked forward to. We we had such a great time.

SPEAKER_18 11:35

Awesome pick, Kev. Oh, yeah, I can't believe you didn't hook up with that chick after.

SPEAKER_10 11:41

Can't imagine what else she was looking for.

SPEAKER_09 11:44

What the hell?

SPEAKER_15 11:45

Free lunch and everything, you know? All right, brother Mark, off to you. All right. Well, I took this a little different. You said memory or activity. This one is an actual memory, it's a one-day thing, and it's something that could unless you come from incredible means, this is not something that you could do today. This is me and Dean Eddie, and we're going to a Red Sox game. And we decide I mean, this is back when you could just go up to the b uh box office and get tickets. Right. The Bruins are playing a playoff game, game four against the Canadians. And this is back when we never beat them in the playoffs. I said, Dean, why don't we try to get tickets for tonight's Bruins game? Because we're you know, you have to get on from the orange line to the green line. And we're like, Yeah, what the hell? So we went down and we got tickets for like twenty-two dollars. And it's like, oh cool. So we went to the Red Sox game. You know, it was kind of a rainy-ish day, and uh the Red Sox started the year at four and oh that year. You know, we got tickets, we got nice seats, uh probably lower grandstand if you will. I I don't remember. But anyway, we ended up uh getting a five-run lead, five to nothing. I remember Carlton Fisk for the White Sox getting all pissed. It started raining, he wanted the the game to be uh postponed before they got to the five innings. But it didn't matter. The White Sox scored eleven runs, and the Red Sox only had one more, so they lost. So, okay, well, oh well, what the hell? Let's go to the Bruins game. So we're on the subway and we head back and you know, go to Sully's Tap for a couple dollar knickerbockers, and we go to the Bruins game, and you know, there's Canadian fans all over the place, and Bruins come, you know, they get down to four to one, but there was just one little trouble with our seats. You couldn't see one of the goal, the nets. I mean, you could, but not enough of it.

SPEAKER_06 13:48

So it was the old garden.

SPEAKER_15 13:50

It was the old Boston Garden, 1985. We uh we counted on sticks going up and the crowd going nuts for the goal. But anyway, they came back and won seven to six, you know, we're friggin' on f you know, just so happy about it. And I I went home with five dollars. That's all I had left. But this is back in the day when my goal was to be I wanted to be a sports writer. It was like my dream. Never happened.

SPEAKER_16 14:16

Well, then you realize they weren't nights and weekends.

SPEAKER_10 14:20

Probably get better seats though.

SPEAKER_16 14:22

Yeah. Yeah, good point.

SPEAKER_15 14:24

But I mean, it was just a dream come true. It's like, this is me, I have to live down here and do this all the time. Yeah. It was a one-off, but can you imagine doing that now? Okay, I gotta I need$70 to go to the Red Sox game and then$300 to go to a playoff game and the nosebleeds, you know?

SPEAKER_18 14:42

So true. Yeah, it's unfucking real.

SPEAKER_10 14:44

Yeah, I don't think anybody could afford it, even the rich folk can't afford the doubleheaders today like that.

SPEAKER_15 14:49

I mean, the Red Sox tickets were like seven bucks. Yeah. I mean, but can you imagine that though?

SPEAKER_10 14:54

You know, it's funny though you talk about the seats in the garden and the old garden, and you make it makes you wonder how they engineered that. How do you possibly make every seat in a stadium obstructed via? Right, right. There were literally one of those. That's a lot of work for the engineer.

SPEAKER_09 15:08

There were seats in the old Boston Garden.

SPEAKER_14 15:10

Well, it was this too. Like a steel girder. Yeah, if you stood up, you would get obstructed, or yeah, it was weird.

SPEAKER_10 15:17

Yeah, yeah. The the lows or the seats above you came in and blocked your view.

SPEAKER_15 15:23

I remember Bob Ryan from the Boston Globe used to say, Well, there are seats in the garden that uh you can only see 13% of the ice. I mean, obviously you go to go to stand-in-room only. Yeah. I mean, we went to a Celtics game once and it was right behind a beam. In the last row, we said, screw this, we'll stand up.

SPEAKER_16 15:42

Was it against the Sixers? Because I have nothing but bad memories of the old Boston Garden as a Sixers fan.

SPEAKER_15 15:48

Oh, uh that's right. The Pittsburgh doesn't have a team, but uh I have a lot of bad memories with the Sixers against the Celtics, so right back at you. You know, the Boston Spring.

SPEAKER_14 15:59

Those were good games, yeah. Oh, Dr. J versus Larry Bird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 16:04

Yeah. No, no, I don't remember. I think it was against the Lakers when they sucked, uh when the Celtics sucked. And I can I have OCD. I don't know if anyone's ever noticed it, but the Celtics did beat the Lakers that day, 108 to 106. Why I remember that? I don't know. 1978 or nine or something, I don't remember, but anyway.

SPEAKER_18 16:25

Awesome pick, Mark, and money well spent because that is a memory from 41 years ago. So coming home with five bucks was well fucking worth. And it was a great one.

SPEAKER_15 16:36

He really is the best. He was the best.

SPEAKER_18 16:39

All right. So that's off to me. I do have a little bit of a benefit here going last, which is kind of nice, because I can cheat a little and say what I'm not gonna say because you know, I've talked about roller skating in the past. I've I've talked about the headbanger's ball, so and many other things, and I thought for sure that everyone's pick was gonna be something, but then I realized, you know what? None of us can talk about that. So I'm gonna go with something that was really important to me for a while, and sometimes it was on the weekends, and sometimes it was weeknights, but a lot of it happened on the weekends, and it's a memory that's special to me, and that was ski jumping. Really? Yeah, for almost two years. I only got up well a year and a half, but I got up to the 40 meter before I we moved to Hinsdale, which ruined everything. It was so fun, and I won the blue ribbon every time I went. I won the trophy, I was exceptional at it, and I'm not patting myself on the back about that because then the next year is when I started drinking and you know, it was awful. I went that's when my path turned. But um, a lot of the time was going with uh with my buddy Scooter, and he's the one who got me into it, and then Chris, one of our biggest listeners. Yeah. And who ended up, you know, both of them, you know, went a lot further with it than we had.

SPEAKER_14 18:23

Didn't they? And then there were whispers of him getting sniffed on the Olympic team, but ask you a question about ski jumping.

SPEAKER_16 18:29

Sure. First of all, I clearly you are not the agony of defeat from Wild World Sports.

SPEAKER_23 18:40

The thrill of victory, and the agony of defeat.

SPEAKER_16 18:50

Why why why does America suck at ski jump in the Olympics? Why can't we ever win anything? We're awful.

SPEAKER_18 18:56

That you know what I are hates me. I wish I had an answer for you, but I don't maybe it's we're not as tall. What are you talking about? Right.

SPEAKER_14 19:07

You know, but is it a bone density thing? Is it what what I think it is to deal with our mountains are smaller, right?

SPEAKER_18 19:14

Better too. Coaching. Yeah. I'll never I'll never forget it because it was the Bill Coke Ski League. And wow. It was just really cool. I remember the that like going into the the shed and them giving me like this old pair of like wooden skis. But it was just so much fun to me, and I thought I'd go with that. That's so cool. Yeah, that's very cool. Yeah. All right. So back to you, David, and we're going to number six now. And this is gonna be your favorite fast food restaurant.

SPEAKER_16 19:50

Guys, there's so many ways to go here. So many ways to go. But I decided to go based on nostalgia and fun. Uh, and so my choice is Pizza Hut. And you know, everybody knows Pizza Hut today is a sort of delivery-based business that makes shitty pizza. But back in the day, you know, you didn't have a lot of restaurants, we didn't have a lot of money. There weren't a lot of independent restaurants back then, a lot of things was chain-based, and it was a real experience to go to you had the 80s wrapped up all in one restaurant. And here's why, right? You walk in and there's a tabletop video game machine like Galaga or Ms. Pac-Man. Yes. And and I would just I'd have a roll of quarters with me and I'd just line them up along the glass so everybody knew, like, don't no, I'm fucking here. Like, I'm not, I'm like Galaga. Back off. I'm spending ten bucks on Galaga. And then they give you the big big picture picture of Pepsi, and you get all those big plastic cups, and they'd have the little uh uh kind of like uh marble ice cubes. They weren't even cubes, they're like little marbles. And then they bring out that big goddamn pizza, and there weren't breadsticks back then and dipping sauces, it was just a pizza, a picture of Pepsi, and video games, and you just ran wild. I mean, it was it was fantastic. So that is that is my that is my play Pizza Hut, and there's actually still an old-fashioned Pizza Hut like that in Pennsylvania, about an hour and a half away from me, that I absolutely have to go visit someday.

SPEAKER_18 21:25

Awesome. And I'll only add one thing to that, and that's the jukebox. Oh, I didn't bring it up.

SPEAKER_10 21:32

Damn it, you're so right. The crazy thing is that a lot of buildings can change over the years and become different businesses. I know where you're going. With a pizza hut, once a pizza hut, I don't care. I don't care if you put a barber shop in there, you're like, that used to be a pizza hut. Right? There's no question right. That hot roof. There, you know, you just you can't wash the pizza hut off it. Right.

SPEAKER_16 22:02

Did you guys grow up around Red Barn Chicken? Because we still have old red barns in our area. There are barns that are like pizza shops now and Chinese restaurants, and they're and they're big barns. Yes.

SPEAKER_15 22:12

I think there's one in Concord.

SPEAKER_16 22:14

No, that was a chicken play. It was fried chicken, and they all closed down, and all of a sudden they became like Chinese and Chinese restaurants and pizza shops.

SPEAKER_14 22:23

Okay, dongo, off to you. Cool. I that was my first after school job was a pizza hut. And that's where we met Jonna for the ball, and Stephanie used to work there. Loved. Stephanie. But all right. So mine was and I keep it pretty simple, pretty quick, was Burger King, because my dad used to take me to Burger King on the way. I I had to I got stung by bees when I was a little kid and I had an allergic reaction. So they were taking me to Boston to get shots and and uh he would take me there every Friday and it was a good memory. And I know we talked about this on another cast, is that double cheeseburger, the original double cheeseburger from Burger King was so good. I mean, that was a good I mean their fries sucked, so what they had to do was, you know, their hook was their burger, you know, flame broiled, and it was good, you know. Their fries still suck. I don't know how you can mess up the French fry. We've talked about that. Right. They do, and the crinkle cut from the lunch ladies, they suck.

SPEAKER_11 23:26

Um lunch lady, soggy fries.

SPEAKER_14 23:28

But I digress. That was that's I I'll get off of that. But I mean, now it's turned into a restaurant for people that have no care about their health whatsoever. And it's everything is huge, massive and disgusting. But I mean, back then it was it was awesome. It was just, you know, the double cheeseburger was amazing.

SPEAKER_18 23:48

And I will say this, Dongo, it's back. Oh, is it? Because you yapped about it on that cast we did before, yeah. I had to get one when I was in Plymouth when I went to Market Basket up there. Yeah. And I pulled in and I fucking waited longer than it would have taken me to get home. It was like a 40-minute wait in the drive-thru. But I got the bacon double cheeseburger. Yeah. And it was like the good old yeah. It wasn't the one with the onion ring. It wasn't all the fucking things they tried.

SPEAKER_14 24:24

Just give me a straight up. Yeah. It was delightful. Oh, that's cool, man. Nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 24:33

Nothing drinking. Yeah. Just nothing like it. And you know it too, and it's amazing.

SPEAKER_18 24:37

Oh, you sure do until morning. Donnie.

SPEAKER_15 24:41

At least back in the day when I went, I don't go to fast food restaurants very often, like once every five years. Burger King French fries did not suck. They were delectable. Back in the 1980s. I don't know what the terrible too in 1985.

SPEAKER_16 24:59

Look, I mean, once you've eaten McDonald's fries at the fast food level, like you can't go back. You cannot.

SPEAKER_18 25:06

They are the greatest soy fry you've ever eaten. Okay, well, yeah. I have the right to mine them then. You do indeed, brother. Motor oil.

SPEAKER_10 25:16

All right. So I was just gonna say Jay was just talking about, you know, the late night after drinking, and it just reminded me of a place that I used to love, and I might have mentioned it before, but it was a place called Gillies in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. And they it was an old trolley car, and instead of paying for space, he got a parking ticket every night for like 40 years. Literally, now it's in the news now that they're actually going to build him some kind of thing there, which will ruin it, obviously. But it was great, and we'd go there after a night of drinking in Portsmouth and loved it until one day we were there in the daytime to do something, and we stopped and got lunch there and got about two bites out of everything before we threw it away. So shit-faced, delicious, um, sober, not that good. But anyway, so that just reminded me of uh of that experience. So as far as fast food, I had a different experience from you guys. Where I grew up, there was Burger King and there was McDonald's, and I couldn't afford either of them. I remember going with my friends when I was in junior high before I started working and like pouring salt into my hand at McDonald's and licking it off my hand because I had no money to buy anything, which is really the best part of the French fry anyway. So, you know, I made out the salt. Um so my pick is going to be actually my first job, which was Martin's drive-in. And yeah, I worked there 80 hours a week. Martin's drive-in. It was a 50-style drive-in. That's awesome. Um, it was literally the you know, the all all of the sandwiches up on the board in front. We did everything from fried seafood to, you know, steak and cheese sandwiches. They were famous for their onion rings. There was a batter dipped onion ring, uh, the coleslaw and whatever else. I think I did five seasons there, met a lot of girlfriends there, um, had a great time. We it was it was one of those things that after 40 some odd years in the restaurant business, and AJ, you can attest to this, you don't get that group of people that work a 12-hour shift together and then can't wait to go out and do something together with the same people. Absolutely people that you work with today, you're like, I need to get away from you as soon as possible. And back then you had a great team that worked together, and you were like, all right, shift's done. Where are we going now? And you just hung out with the same people you work at. So that always had like a very special place in my heart. It was a great time, and I mean, at 251 an hour, it was killer. I was I was drinking in the box. Amazing. Awesome.

SPEAKER_17 27:49

Great one, Kev. All right, brother, to you.

SPEAKER_15 27:54

All right, well, I have an anecdotal nostalgia pick, quick, but I was very little, and now I'll get to my real pick. When we used to go to St. Johnsbury, Vermont, we used to go to Hovey's department stores. And I think they did sell toys, thank God. But in the early 70s, we would go over there to go school clothes shopping. But anyway, we would go up to I think it was Eastern Ave, and there was a restaurant called Howdy Beef and Burger. And the only reason I really remember it Yeah. It was they were a 60s, early 70s restaurant, and I loved it because I could get fried chicken. I loved it. But anyway, I'm going with Wendy's old-fashioned hamburgers. Another story was that. Um we had what we didn't have one in Laconia. Okay, I'm sorry, but I love how their stories are. I love how anyway, so when I was unemployed at times, I would go go down to look at the state jobs board, with that being an excuse to go to Wendy's. And I would always go and get a triple cheeseburger. And they were so friggin' good. So good, and they have great French fries. They do. You guys gotta agree with me on that, right?

SPEAKER_16 29:17

No, they're okay. They're medium okay. Yeah, they're just okay.

SPEAKER_15 29:22

They were too big, they weren't crunchy enough, but they I I heard they got better. But anyway, so the funny thing is, is I must have gone down there one time and put in an application, didn't even realize it, took a test, and then I did get a state job. And it was so funny. It was all thank you to Wendy's, and of course I left after three years when I had this absolute heinous bitch as a boss that took me out as her scapegoat and made me leave. And of course, so I've been I've had a landscaping business for 27 years, whatever. I make a lot more money doing that. But uh sorry to rant, but I did get the job. The job wasn't terrible. I'm 917 an hour, not very good. The benefits were awesome. Back then there was a lot of money. In the 1890s? Now, no. No. Every friend of mine had three more money doing the trades and whatnot. Oh god, we can't do the trades. People will look down on us, but awesome, brother.

SPEAKER_18 30:23

Sorry. Oh, it's fine. Jimmy Kimmel? Okay. Off to me. Uh, Kevin, that was such a great pick. I don't know why, because we didn't say this, but I thought of chains, man. I definitely would have picked the Pier restaurant. Oh, I just want to say something about it. Because what you said about hanging out with people. We literally brought a bar of soap to work with us and jumped in the lake and washed after work and then just hung out in the weirs. I'll leave it at that. Because I went with Arby's. Okay. Oh my god, you like Arby's. And there's a very special reason for this, as most of my kids have. But anyway, ironically, it was called the Burger King Trail. I'd ride my bike, which was probably, you know, going trail-wise, it was probably like five miles, and it was just a uh such a fun fucking trail on a BMX bike, mostly downhill. The ride home sucked. But you just haul ass down. And the reason this was special to me, not only that bike ride, but we didn't have an Arby's. And then all of a sudden it was the new thing.

SPEAKER_15 31:47

Is that is D'Angelo still in that building?

SPEAKER_18 31:50

It is, it is so um I would I would go there every friggin' other day at least and get the beef and cheddar.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Only Arby's brings you beef and cheddar. A toasted onion roll, Arby's special dressing, slices and slices of Arby's tender roast beef, topped with melted cheddar cheese sauce. Discover Arby's beef and cheddar. Don't worry, Mom. I'm eating beef and cheddar.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

Enjoy a tasty beef and cheddar.

SPEAKER_18 32:23

And boy, this son of a bitch was on an onion roll. It was roast beef with that runny, melty cheddar cheese sauce. Oh, I love that. Oh my god. And uh they they called it, I think back then, uh God, I thought I wrote it down, but maybe I didn't. But it was uh a tangy red ranch sauce. Yes. They called it, I think they called it horsey sauce. Yes, no, no, that's their horseradish one. Oh, okay. This is their it was like a red tangy sauce, but holy fuck, that melted cheddar cheese was just unbelievable. That was the best part of that sandwich. So they were good.

SPEAKER_14 33:06

They tasted good. But I what always bugged me about Arby's was their like false advertising. They'd show those sandwiches and they'd be like these beautiful, magnificent-looking, thick things, and then you'd get it and it'd be like smashed. Like someone sat on it. But they all do that. You look at any burger from a burn in it on TV, it's close, you know, like they're they're close to reality.

SPEAKER_10 33:30

None of them are fucking close. It'd look like somebody sat on it when you open up the thing. But AJ, when you started listing off the ingredients, you said it's roast beef, and I thought to myself, is it though? No. That's what I wanted to say.

SPEAKER_15 33:45

I when I first went in, I was so excited. I was roast beef has been right at the top of my favorite foods ever. And I got there and I thought it was dry beef. Remember dry beef gravy that mom used to make? Yeah, yeah. It tasted like dry beef to me. I mean, it was not quite that, but it was kind of uh in between dry beef and roast beef. It just you got used to it after a while. But why should you have to get used to a food?

SPEAKER_18 34:13

I didn't have to get used to it. I love it.

SPEAKER_15 34:15

I got the beef and cheddar was good. That was that was the cheese that made it, though. And the onion rolls, not the beef. All right.

SPEAKER_10 34:23

You can get Arby's red sauce on on Amazon. What's it called though? There's a it just says it says Arby's original sauce.

unknown 34:32

That's bullshit.

SPEAKER_10 34:33

Is all that it says? Of course they do. Special sauce on the Mandela effect, bullshit, right?

SPEAKER_18 34:40

All right, David, we're back to you for number five, and what we are doing now is the worst 80s movie.

SPEAKER_16 34:50

Well, this is really hard because as much as you love the eighties, it is punctuated by bad movies in a lot of ways. And so I decided to focus on a genre within the eighties, and I will pick one, but it is the sequel. The sequel, they were uh, you know, there's clearly some good sequels in the eighties, the lethal weapon sequels, stuff like that. But there were a host of ginormously large pieces of shit. Oh, god every police academy sequel except the first one. Um uh Jaws 3D, Jaws the Revenge, Grease Two. Right. Um, but I have to really the most disappointing one, the most disappointing one, because I loved this franchise. The worst 80s movie in my book is Superman 4, the quest for peace.

SPEAKER_26 35:43

Yeah, dude of steel. Are you gonna get it? You know you're a workaholic, but just stop and smell the roses, huh?

SPEAKER_25 35:56

Superman 4, Christopher Reeve, Gene Hackman, Jackie Cooper, John Cryer, with Mariel Hemingway, and Margot Kidder as Lois Lane. Superman 4, his most important adventure, the quest for peace.

SPEAKER_16 36:14

The one Christopher Reeve movie he should not have done, and he wanted to make it, and the studio didn't want to make it, and then he ends up writing it, and it is actually Brad Pack adjacent, guys, because Lex Luthor, um, played by um oh my god, uh Jim Hackman, is broken out of prison by his nephew, Lenny, played by John Cryer. Oh, the worst. John Cryer is in Superman 4 Quest for Peace, where where it where Superman Christopher Reeve has to fight nuclear man because he wanted to make this movie about nuclear, basically about nuclear dis disarmament, which is you know, you go from I mean, Superman III was okay with Richard Pryor, not great. I mean, they should have stopped after Superman 2, which is one of the greatest action superheroes sequels of all time.

SPEAKER_18 37:07

My favorite of the movie.

SPEAKER_16 37:08

I watched that in theater just in awe, just in all, Superman 2. But Superman 4 for me is the absolute worst, guys.

SPEAKER_18 37:17

Absolutely great pick. Now, I'm gonna say something, David, and I'm calling you out on this, and I apologize. Yeah, go ahead. But no more naming other movies because you mentioned mine. You did?

SPEAKER_15 37:35

Oh, I thought shut up, Mark.

SPEAKER_18 37:37

Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_15 37:39

See how he is, Dave? That's how we uh gets a free pass today being the guest.

SPEAKER_18 37:44

I put the rules. You do get a free pass. That's okay. Donnie breaks the rules once a week. Constantly.

SPEAKER_10 37:51

And we only do the show every two weeks.

SPEAKER_18 37:59

We love you, brother. Awesome pick, Dave. All right, Dongo, that's to you.

SPEAKER_14 38:04

All right, you were spot on with the um with the sequels. I mean, it was a great way to put it because the 80s had so many sequels, and there were many of them that were horrible. But, so I'm gonna go with, and there were so many to choose from, and I noticed that I didn't watch a lot of them because they were you could just tell by looking at them, even at the time, that they were probably gonna be crap. So this was one that, like, you know, snuck up on you when you're in the movie theater and you're like, oh man, this movie sucks. Um, and it's to my love, and like AJ always likes to tie it to Kiss, so I'm gonna start tying everything to Trek. Gotta tie it to Trek. Scotty, beat me up. So it was uh the 1989 Star Trek V, The Final Frontier. It was actually one that was directed by Shatner, which pains me that he directed a movie that sucked, but it was, you know, kind of like they're searching for God. I don't know if you guys have seen this movie. But it was it was a big disappointment. Um it made money, you know, it had like a$33 million budget, made 66 million. So I mean, at least but in the movie Biz, I guess that it still was a tank in their eyes, and it was a tank to me because I thought it sucked. It just it they lost.

SPEAKER_16 39:20

I was gonna bring that one up, but I I didn't want to ruin your choice, this AJ's.

SPEAKER_14 39:25

Um, but as a Trekkie, it was one that just kind of fell flat for me.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

This starship. Could it carry my wisdom beyond the barrier? It could, yes! Then I shall make use of this starship. It will be your chariot! Excuse me. It will carry my power to every corner of creation.

SPEAKER_27 39:51

Excuse me, I'd just like to ask a question. What does God need with a starship?

SPEAKER_03 39:59

Bring the ship closer.

SPEAKER_27 40:02

I said what does God need with a starship? Jim, what are you doing? I'm asking you a question.

SPEAKER_25 40:11

Who is this creature? Who am I? Don't you know? Aren't you God?

SPEAKER_03 40:17

He has his doubts.

SPEAKER_25 40:20

You doubt me. Seek proof, Jim. You don't ask the Almighty for his IT.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

Then here is the proof you seek me.

SPEAKER_18 40:32

I actually like that McDonald. But anyway, great pick.

SPEAKER_10 40:43

Okay, Kevin, go ahead. This there's, I mean, this is a target-rich environment right here. For sure. There were there's so many life-changing great movies in that era that we still quote and think about today. And I'm trying not to, hey Jay, but I feel like this makes it. And I've got so many places to go, but one of the most quotable, one of the greatest movies in my mind ever from that era was Caddyshack. And Caddyshack 2 was the biggest fucking dung heap that ever existed. Whatever Dan Aykroyd was thinking with the character that he came up with to, I guess, kind of mirror what what um Bill Murray's character was in the first one. I don't know, but it's it's just like I don't know how they look at the rushes of that every day and went, oh yeah, let's keep going in this direction. This is good.

SPEAKER_09 41:39

Please suck out the poison for me.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

Let me get this straight. You pull it out. I suck.

SPEAKER_16 41:52

Is there any money in it for me?

SPEAKER_10 41:54

Let's keep going with this. How did somebody not look at this and go, you know what? Let's let's not let's just stop now. And I mean, I love Jackie Mason, but he was just horrible. Everything about it. Everything about it. And he played the same character in the jerk, which is amazes me, but whatever. So much better in The Jerk. But so I just I don't think there's a movie that you can hate as much as Caddyshack 2.

SPEAKER_18 42:26

It's pretty hateful.

SPEAKER_10 42:27

It is.

SPEAKER_16 42:27

That's a great call, man. That's a great call. By the way, they asked Stan Aykroyd why he made the movie. He said I I did it because uh Bill Billy, Bill Murray, he doesn't Teddy Ted Knight did the first one, and I wanted to honor them in the second one. I remember thinking, well fuck.

SPEAKER_10 42:42

No, you didn't. You failed. Yeah, that's that's the worst failure that didn't honor them at all. Great pick, Kevin.

SPEAKER_18 42:54

And actually, it wasn't mine. Oh, good. I did have it written down naturally, be mostly because of Dan Aykroyd, but something I wanted to say, you brought up the jerk, and Sonny, who's been on our show as well, I'd like to throw something out to him because he mentioned the jerk on a previous cast at like a week or two ago, and how he despises that movie. You're an idiot, Sonny. I'm just telling you. All right, Mark, off to you.

SPEAKER_15 43:25

Okay, well, my pick is based on uh a carnal sin, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I'd rather be entertained by a movie that is so friggin' bad that it's funny or whatever. And this movie was very well critically acclaimed. Me and Big Al went to the movies to watch this. The movie was called The Color of Money with Paul Newman and Tom Cruise. And it's only a two-hour movie, and there were so many times in this movie when me and Al would just stand up. Oh, that's it. Thank God, that's it, thank God. And we finally just said, you know what? No more that's it. Let's get the hell out of here. It just it missed us. It just didn't click with us. I found it so incredibly boring and and just sleepy. And uninteresting.

SPEAKER_18 44:23

So I will I would have walked out of that too. I didn't even finish it on regular TV.

SPEAKER_10 44:30

Anyone else, you guys? Well, that was actually c allegedly a sequel as well, right? Wasn't that supposed to be a sequel to the sting?

SPEAKER_16 44:38

That's a great call. It was to the hustler. I don't think it was. The hustler. It was the hustler.

SPEAKER_10 44:44

Yeah. Which was again a great movie and then Color of Money.

SPEAKER_16 44:48

Yeah, the Paul Newman characters, the carryover.

SPEAKER_10 44:50

Right, right. Fast Eddie Felson.

SPEAKER_15 44:52

Yep. I mean, Tom Cruise and Paul Newman, two incredible actors.

SPEAKER_16 44:57

Right.

SPEAKER_15 44:58

And it just didn't. It didn't.

SPEAKER_16 45:02

Stupid scene where uh where Newman gets taken by Forrest Whitaker. Like he's done that his whole life, and he can't figure out he's being played at the at a billiards table by Forrest Whitaker. Like, you kidding me?

SPEAKER_18 45:15

Unbelievable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:16

Then after I get this job working at the university, strictly for the experience. Guess what it was? What? What? What were you? I was a subject. What? A subject. In a fact department. I was a subject for experiments. Reflexes. Memory things. If I didn't do anything when I got the electric shock.

SPEAKER_10 45:51

It just makes me think of uh Rich Hall, who used to be on Saturday Night Live, has this hilarious bit where he talks about Tom Cruise and his movies. And he's like, I think I'm catching on to what he's doing. You know, first he's a football player. He's a really good football player, but then he has a crisis of conscience and he's not such a good football player. And then he meets a woman.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

He meets a good-looking woman who talks him into being a better race car driver. Then he's a jet pilot. So you're starting to see a pattern emerge here. Pretty good jet pilot. Yes, he was. Couldn't fly jets anymore. Then I believe he met a good-looking woman who talked him into being a better jet pilot. Then he was a sports agent. Then he was a brother of a retarded guy. He was a pretty good brother of retarded guy. Then he had a crisis of confidence and wasn't so sure he was such a good brother of retarded guy. And then he met a good-looking woman who talked him into being a better brother of a retarded guy. Then he was some kind of, I don't know what he's in now. War of the worlds. Maybe he fights the world. You know what? I bet he's a pretty good world fighter. And at some point, he'll probably have a crisis of confidence. You know, meet a good-looking woman who convinces him it's okay to fight the world. He'd be a scrabble player for all I care.

SPEAKER_18 47:10

Pretty good scrabble player. Alright, so that's five to me, then, which David already mentioned this movie, but this would be Teen Wolf 2. And one thing I did want to say about this category that was nice to see is none of us, none of us went for like, you know, what would have been a Sharknado or a B movie back then. Like we all went kind of with the bigger franchise or actors here because that's what I think we remember most. And that movie was so terrible. And I love Jason Bateman. I think I mean I liked him on Silver Spoons. You know, he he was he's a great actor, he's hilarious, he's like dry at times, just but this was his worst appearance, okay. But more importantly, something that eats at me greatly is when they try to replace a character with a different actor, okay, that frosts my balls and for them to replace Styles. Okay, I mean Styles was a classic in the first Teen Wolf. I mean, the t-shirts, what are you looking at, dick nose? He was such an incredible character, and he's an idiot in the second one, different actor, and then they just basically do the same thing with a different sport. You know, they choose boxing and it just it's funny to me to see him. You know, the first one it was like, yeah, it was great because it was a good movie. I mean, of course, yeah, it's a wolf playing basketball, but when you see him jump back up off the canvas after he gets knocked down in the wolf gear, the crowd just says, Yeah. Let's go, boys. Everyone would have fucking ran out of the gym. But anyway, it's just a god awful, terrible movie. And I'll leave it at that.

SPEAKER_10 49:21

When you can't get the supporting actors to show up for the for the sequel, you know that it's oh right. And they offer them a job and they're like, no, I'm I gotta shift over at Burger King, so no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make Team Wolf 2, I'm gonna flip burgers instead. Right.

SPEAKER_18 49:39

All right, we're moving to number four, and this is gonna be a two-part question, and it's gonna be your favorite and your least favorite sports moment memory, however you want to put it. But David, that's to you.

SPEAKER_16 49:55

Piece of cake. I'm glad I get to go first because obviously the good, the best is miracle on ice, and there's not even a close second.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 50:04

I don't care if you're a longtime Boston Red Sox fan and you guys finally won the World Series, I don't really care. Miracle on Ice is a it's an historic moment that transcends sports. And uh, given everything our country was going through at the time, um deep recession era, uh high high prices on everything due to inflation, and then uh we didn't feel good about ourselves. We're in the middle of a Cold War. Yeah, then we're hosting the Olympics on our home ice, and you know, two weeks prior to that, Russia beats the U.S. in Madison Square Garden, I believe, 10-2 or 12-2, something like that.

SPEAKER_18 50:45

Yeah, it was ridiculous. And these came out. Yeah, these NHL players, too, right? Right. They beat them all.

SPEAKER_16 50:51

They beat them all. And then we go, yeah, they were pros back then, if a lot of people don't know. Uh they really didn't have professional hockey leagues in the Soviet Union back then. They just paid these guys. They were quote unquote soldiers in the Red Army, but what they really were were full-time hockey players getting paid a professional salary. Right. Which skirted the Olympic rules at the time, so they would win gold medals every year while everybody else had amateurs. And not only were our kids amateurs, but they were literally kids. They were literally college kids playing hockey, and they go and they win the gold medal, and you know, we just had the winter Olympics, and Netflix had the um the documentary on the on on the miracle team from 1980.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

And New York Superstars, we were the boy next door. Lunch pale, hard hat group of guys.

SPEAKER_04 51:40

To this day, it gives me chills.

SPEAKER_27 51:46

The American team, they were all amateurs. The feeling was these guys have no chance. He was gonna be a runaway. That's how dominant the Soviet team was.

SPEAKER_02 51:55

As a country, we needed something to feel good about.

SPEAKER_27 51:58

And we were in the midst of a cold war that was about as cold as it could get. They were the enemy, they were Darth Vader.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

I think people related to who we were.

SPEAKER_27 52:06

Somehow, this band of kids came together. We had the audacity to believe we could do it.

SPEAKER_16 52:17

She's like, Are you okay, Dad? I'm like, Yeah, man. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Unbelievable. Because they're because all of a sudden I'm 10 years old again in 1980, sitting by my fireplace watching them beat the Soviet Union, and it meant everything uh to a kid. And um, so for me, that is without question the greatest sporting event of my lifetime, which really sucks when it happens when you're 10. Because you gotta theoretically, you have a lot of years to go, right? And I could pick anything as my worst, my bad. I'll go back to being a Sixers fan and losing the 1980 NBA finals to rookie Magic Johnson's Lakers in six games. It's not so much that they lost to the Lakers, they were the better team than the Lakers, and in game six, they're down three two. Kareem Abdul Jabbar is hurt. They start Magic Johnson, their point guard at center. He proceeds to score 42 points. 42 points to win the series 4-2 over the over the Sixers. I'm glad we got uh we got revenge in 1983 with a 4-0 sweep, which I will say was the as much as the Celtics and the Lakers were dominant in the 80s, the most dominant single-year team was the 1983 Sixers 4-0-4-1-4-0-4-0. Foe four faux. Um but I would say that was my worst because I remember being a kid going, you know, I we'd we'd won Miracle on Ice, and I remember thinking, like, you know, now my Sixers are gonna win, and I still don't understand how they lost that series, especially with that Dul Jabbar hurt.

SPEAKER_15 53:51

What about the Phillies winning the World Series that year, though?

SPEAKER_16 53:54

Yeah, but I can't rank that above Miracle on Ice.

SPEAKER_15 53:57

I know, but at least you had that.

SPEAKER_16 53:59

Well, that's a good point. That's a good point. It was a good 1980 for me for almost. It was almost perfect. And and and my Steelers won their last of their first four Super Bowls in January of 1980. So not a lot to complain about. LA Rams, yeah. In in the Rose Bowl where they should still play the Super Bowl because it's the greatest football venue in in America. Right. Awesome. I threw a lot of shit in there. Sorry, guys. No, it's fine.

SPEAKER_18 54:33

Stuff that's passionate to us and you, right? I hope you don't have dinner plans when you get to mine.

SPEAKER_15 54:39

No. Oh no.

SPEAKER_14 54:42

All right, Dongo. All right, so mine's a little weird. It's like I just remember in 1984, the summer Olympics, being a kid, and watching Mary Lou Rettin win the gold medal. And I I thought it was cool, you know, like and the story behind it. And it was a little downer that the Soviets kind of they boycotted that Olympics, except for Romania, which is kind of an interesting tie-in because Romania had Nadia Komenic, who was Mary Lou Rettin's idol, and then the coach of Nadia Komenic defected to the U.S. and he ended up being the coach of Mary Lou Rettin, which was interesting. It was uh Bella Karoyi, if I'm pronouncing that right. Karoli. Karoli. Karoli. Yeah, and and and and it was just awesome to see her win the gold medal. Um, the U.S. hadn't won the gold medal in gymnastics for uh I don't know if that was she was the first in a long time to win the gold medal, and it was it was really cool, you know. I I thought that was really awesome.

SPEAKER_05 55:42

She recently passed, didn't she?

SPEAKER_14 55:44

And then my worst was the 19 um 86 Patriots Super Bowl loss to the Bears. Um they were they were a Cinderella team snuck in there, you know. They they won three games on the road, they squished the fish, which was that was our Super Bowl kind of that was you know, the Patriots beating Miami in Miami was huge. And then they go to the Super Bowl and nobody was gonna beat the Bears that year. They were awesome. They were doing the Super Bowl shuffle. Best defense probably ever. Um, you know, Mike Dicka. Those they were awesome. And we got smotched, you know, we got destroyed. It was like 46 zip, right? 46 to 10. 46 to 10.

SPEAKER_15 56:29

Yeah. We had a 3-0 lead though. Tony East. Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 56:33

Yeah. Um But yeah, that was a drink. 3-0.

SPEAKER_18 56:39

That was probably my worst. The Bears were so good that year they had a music video on MTV for God's sake. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_16 56:50

Maybe about a one-year phenomenon, like a one-year team. Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_15 56:55

They didn't do shit after that.

SPEAKER_16 56:56

Right, right.

SPEAKER_18 56:58

William, the refrigerator pair. Right.

SPEAKER_10 57:01

Did did Buddy Ryan leave after that as the defensive coordinator? Because Didka was everywhere, but so much of that team.

SPEAKER_16 57:09

He did, he went to the Eagles. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 57:10

Yeah. I think Buddy Ryan was so much of that success. And when he left, it it just didn't carry through. Right.

SPEAKER_18 57:17

Great one's Dawn. I gotta tell you, even with that little short, stocky body and haircut, I thought Mary Lou was kind of hot.

SPEAKER_06 57:27

She was very hot.

SPEAKER_11 57:29

She was cute. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I thought she was hot.

SPEAKER_06 57:34

Especially, age appropriate for us at the time.

SPEAKER_22 57:37

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SPEAKER_08 58:35

Pop Rock, Jack. Stretch Armstrong. Jack, the Bionic Man.

SPEAKER_07 58:43

Jack. You've gone back in time. This is past times at 80 Time.

SPEAKER_10 58:53

All right, Kev, that's you. All right. Well, um, this is not I I'm not pandering to our guest. Um I think it's been talked about before. I think it's kind of widely known that I'm a Connecticut uh Yankee in in the King Arthur's court here. Uh I grew up as a Steelers fan.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_10 59:15

And um although there's some really fond memories, I think I I didn't I've talked about it before. My my dad was not a uh football fan, so it would have to be like that holiday at grandma's house and watching football on the black and white TV upstairs because it was, you know, didn't want to watch Walton's Mountain for the 18th time or whatever else. But that's kind of where I fell in love with the Steelers. But this one was I've got to go with uh 13 because it was just all the hype was there. You know, the Steelers beating the Cowboys.

SPEAKER_22 59:47

The Cowboys' remote chance for victory disappeared into the arms of Rocky Blyer.

SPEAKER_16 59:54

Just a magical moment for me. It was so great. Uh man, do we have 30 minutes? Just kidding. Right, exactly. Super Bowl 13 was the greatest game ever. Yeah. Ever. And if you disagree, I'm not going to swear, but you're wrong. You know, if you disagree. 35-31.

SPEAKER_15 1:00:13

That was an incredible game. Yeah. That wasn't counting.

SPEAKER_16 1:00:17

First team would win three Super Bowls, and Hollywood Henderson made fun of Terry Bradchell, said he couldn't spell CAT if we spotted him the C and the T. He ends up winning the MVP, and everything was right in the world. It was the good guys versus the bad guys.

SPEAKER_15 1:00:31

There was a the touchdown that the Cowboys had. I think it was the tight end. He went down to catch the ball and he dropped it. Yeah, Jackie Harris. Jackie Harris. Exactly.

SPEAKER_16 1:00:41

So many great single plays in that game. For the longest time, that touchdown to John Stalworth for 75 yards was a Super Bowl record. Yep. And they I could go on and on and on about that game.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:52

It was it it was it was amazing. And and again, you know, Knoll versus Landry, Bradshaw versus Starbuck. Um now maybe you can confirm this. I was always told when I was young, pre-internet days, that at one point they offered America's team titles. That's true, it's a fact. Pittsburgh, right? And they were like, Yeah, no thanks. We're we're Pittsburgh. Dan Rooney.

SPEAKER_16 1:01:13

Yeah. Dan Rooney said, we're we don't want to be America's team. We're Pittsburgh's team. Right. Yeah. And and Pittsburgh does have a huge national following regardless. They travel well. Yeah, I mean, we very well. Our team travel, I mean our fans travel, man. I try to go to away games too. They're fun. I was at the Vegas uh see him play the Vegas Raiders a couple years ago. And there's that we took over the stadium. We always do.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:37

Yeah. Well that's economic, right? I mean, you had all the kids that moved out of Pittsburgh because it was dying right after the, you know, in the 70s and whatnot, and those people went to greener pastures but still held on to the to the team.

SPEAKER_16 1:01:50

What did you flaunt flaunting the uh economics degree? What did you go? Wow.

SPEAKER_18 1:01:57

Something you said, David, about seeing them in Vegas. That's the one sad thing when you think of the Raiders is they very rarely have a home field advantage. It's Las Vegas. Right. Right. Same with uh same with the Chargers playing in LA.

SPEAKER_16 1:02:14

It's a joke. It's a joke.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:15

They never should have San Diego. Yeah. They keep doing that in the NFL, though. I mean, how many times have they moved the Raiders around? How many times? I mean, they used to be the St. Louis Rams. They were, you know what I mean? They've been everywhere, and they always want to be that market in LA. And I think they're salivating for the number of people there. But your options on a Sunday afternoon in New Hampshire versus your options on a Sunday afternoon in LA. If we're doing a big deal, it's going to a Patriots game. If you're doing a big deal in LA, it could be a million things.

SPEAKER_16 1:02:46

Atlanta's the same way, bad sports town, unless they're really, really good. I mean, bottom line is the NFL put two teams in LA because they knew it would draw tourism. Football game there. They had no teams in LA, and LA didn't care, and now they have two.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:11

So then I'll move on to the worst unless anybody's else got unless anybody has anything else to add, I'll move on to the worst sporting event from the eighties. And for me, that had to be Marvelous Marvin and Sugar Ray. Oh, God, that's I was a huge boxing fan. I was a huge Marvin haggler. And I just always felt like I've watched documentaries since, and maybe it was just the sense that I had. But at the time I just didn't like Sugar Ray. I thought he was a showboat, he was a pretty boy, he was all of those things, and and not all of that is true. Like I said, I've watched a few documentaries. He didn't have the whole thing paved for him, but whatever. Um I actually grew up with a kid whose dad sparred with Hagler and and Marciano in Brockt back in the day. He he was right right in between those guys. And so those guys watched that fight and and they scored it for Hagler. And I always thought it was Hagler and danced.

SPEAKER_16 1:04:19

He was just dazzled. He didn't do anything except look flash points. Yeah. Yeah, and and all Hagler kept doing was what he did was just kept going forward. Just like, yeah, you can't hurt me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:30

And that just came down to the you have to you have to beat the champ, right? That's what they say now, is that you have to decisively beat the champ. But it was a lot cute. The tie goes to the to the champ or whatever. I mean, again, not the best boxing match in the world. It was it was a good one. I mean, if you wanted the thrill in Manila or Eddie Holler Frazier or Hagler Hearns. I mean, those guys were but I just boxing I loved Hagler and him losing to to Sugar Ray, it just crushed me. That's a great thing.

SPEAKER_16 1:05:05

You know, Kev, that's actually it's such a cool thing you bring up because when I was a kid, I loved Sugar Ray. But now, now that I'm almost fifty-six years old, I would have I I would have been a Hagler fan. You know? I mean, I would have been a Hagler fan. So that's to you then, Mark.

SPEAKER_15 1:05:21

Okay, well, uh, we don't have a lot of great memories as far as local sports in the 20th century. I did miss the uh Bruins I mean, you know, the Bobby Orr Bruins. In fact, when I finally got into the Boston Bruins, he was his knees were done. I watched him play like three or four games. But what I'm going with is uh I the Celtics had a lot of great teams in the 70s and in the 80s. And my favorite championship they ever had was the 1984 NBA finals against the LA Lakers. And the funny thing is, or not they could have been swept. They lost the first game by something like eight or nine points or whatever it was. They were about to lose game two, and James Worthy threw a Worthy. James Worthy threw a pass, and Gerald Henderson stole the ball, tied the game, the Celtics won in overtime. So that could have easily gone with the Lakers. That would have been 2 0. And then in game three, the Lakers crushed the Celtics 137 to 104. I mean, everyone assumed the Lakers were gonna win. They were just dominating the series. And game four was just a brutal, brutal game. Kevin McHale, like was it? Kurt Rambus that he knocked down going up for a rebound. I think that's was the turning point of the series. They won by, I think, four points. In game five was an Asana in Boston Garden. Celtics crushed them, and in game six, the Lakers won. And I believe it was uh Larry Bird who said to Red Arbeck, don't worry, this is we're gonna win the game. This they're not winning, and the Celtics ended up winning 111 to 102.

SPEAKER_20 1:07:00

The Boston Celtics are the NBA World Champions in a grueling. Seven-game series with the Los Angeles Lakers. The Celtics with the best record in the league, beat the team with the second best record in the league. The final score. Boston 111 and Los Angeles 102.

SPEAKER_15 1:07:21

It was just an incredible game. And I don't know. Back in the 80s, they what was the game they played? Basketball. Get the easiest shot you possibly can. Get inside. Go in for layups. A three-pointer was there. If you're down by two at the end of the game, it was a rare thing that they shot threes. The Boston Celtics, right now, probably shoot more threes than anyone in the league, and it is unwatchable to me. It is so unwatchable. It's not the game I remember. Call me old, I don't give a damn. But it's just horrible.

SPEAKER_16 1:07:55

Didn't it look like McHale always played with a broken back? He sort of had that weird, sort of like his chest was out. As a Sixers fan, he was so like you know what you're getting with Larry Bird, like you accept it, he's a superstar. But fucking McHale, man, just carved us up.

SPEAKER_15 1:08:14

Cedric Maxwell said to the guys, jump on my back. I'm gonna carry you guys tonight. And he did. He had an incredible game. And then he fell off the face of the earth the next year. But the bottom line is it's like going to gym class with your eighth graders. And you you try to get the ball inside in a give and go, and they dribble out to the three-point line. It's freaking a joke. Get off my lawn. All right.

SPEAKER_18 1:08:42

What's your hatred, brother?

SPEAKER_15 1:08:44

Okay, I'm gonna defer the the most evil sport and event in Boston history. Oh, here it comes. I'm gonna go to a very almost as equal sport and event. I know where you're going. Oh, do you do you really? Go back to 1980, 76. Oh, 76.

SPEAKER_16 1:09:01

We knew that. Easy call. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:03

Okay, well, like you could have gone. I mean, I don't know if you're a hockey fan, we could have gone to 79, whatever. Anyway, this had long-reaching implications. The New England Patriots were the best team in the fucking league that year. They were the best team in the league. They were dominating. They started off with, I don't know, two and three, whatever it was. They ended up uh no, they were they they they were three and three or whatever it was, and then won every game from that point forward. In the regular season, the Oakland Raiders lost one game. It was to the New England Patriots, 48-17 in Foxboro with absolute domination. Anyway, uh the Patriots got off to a 21-10 lead in Oakland. You know, the the Raiders came back to make it 21-17 or whatever, but the Patriots had the game in hand. It was third and eighteen. Stabler tries to complete a pass. Ray, sugar bay Hamilton goes up, tackle, you know, touches him like the very last second. There goes the flag. Raiders get the ball at the one-yard line with 10 seconds left. Stabler looks to the right and then just waltzes into the end zone. They got fucking screwed. They would have won the Super Bowl. I do know that the uh the Steelers beat Baltimore 40 to 14 the week before, but the Steelers were very hurt that year. The Patriots had already defeated them 30 to 27 earlier. And I put it on the wall. The Steelers, the players, said we agreed they got robbed. And even Stabler said this was there was no way that was passing in fairness. And it had long implications. The Patriots they never won a playoff game until 85. This makes me so bitter. I actually put the stupid newspaper clipping on the wall.

SPEAKER_16 1:10:54

Is this 76 and then the Super Bowl would have been in 77, the year the Broncos won? The Super Bowl? Or no, the Cowboys beat the Broncos.

SPEAKER_15 1:11:02

We would have crushed the Vikings. The Raiders crushed them. The Raiders beat the Captain Based.

SPEAKER_16 1:11:06

Oh, the Raiders went on to win the Super Bowl. That's right. That's right. Because the Steelers had major injuries in the AFC Championship game and lost to the Raiders. The Steelers shut five teams out that year. They they probably had the best team ever, but they were missing Rocky Blair and Franco Harris for the AFC Championship game that the Raiders won. You're right. You make a really valid point. They'd probably they probably would have won. They probably would have gone to the Super Bowl. I'd be really fucking pissed. Oh no, I I'm I'm bitter to this day.

SPEAKER_18 1:11:39

Ah I love this. I feel like I'm watching a podcast from the outside, and I'm into it.

SPEAKER_15 1:11:48

All right. Well, I'm glad I'm entertaining. Let's go. I'm gonna defer to you for your number five. I know where you're going with that, too. You better go there.

SPEAKER_18 1:11:57

All right, then that's number four to me, right? I think this is our first repeat of the day, and it's the 1980 Olympic hockey team. Man, incredible. Uh David, you had mentioned the the new uh documentary on Netflix, which is them now, you know, looking back and talking about it. But one of the greatest documentaries of all time was an HBO documentary called uh Miracle on Ice. Right, right. And that you want to talk about crying your eyes out, man. Right. It's just great what an event this is. And as they say in the documentary, you know, you forget that we had a chance at no medal after beating the Soviet Union. That's it. You know what I mean? It's like wow. And we were down 2-1 after two to Finland.

SPEAKER_15 1:12:52

That was round robin back then.

SPEAKER_18 1:12:54

That was round robin. Yeah, didn't matter. Yeah. But just wow. I I can't say enough about it. Um, even the movie I liked. I didn't love like the documentaries, but just watching that because it tells you a lot about how a lot of those guys were from BC and a lot of those guys were from Minnesota.

SPEAKER_15 1:13:15

Minnesota and Boston hockey hot days.

SPEAKER_18 1:13:17

Yes, huge rivalries. And fucking Herb Brooks just needed to mold them as a team. One game. And he fucking didn't one game, play your game, play your game. And it was uh, like I said, I won't go too deep, but David talked about the you know, the hostage crisis and all that, and it was just it Lake Placid, New York, yeah, just incredible. Like I there's nothing that can even fucking touch that to me when it comes to any sports moment in my lifetime.

SPEAKER_14 1:13:58

It's got to be the greatest upset of all time, probably. Oh, it's huge.

SPEAKER_19 1:14:09

Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_15 1:14:11

Well, maybe Buster Douglas against Tyson, that was a pretty big one. I think that's fat and lazy.

SPEAKER_18 1:14:18

But just everything about this was just incredible to me. And every time I watch that, and if anyone out there listening has not seen that original documentary, please look it up because if you're not crying at the end, then you're not a fucking American citizen. Like this is just so friggin' communist, deeply, deeply heartfelt. Yeah. CCCP, right? On the uniforms, like this is back when we're talking Cold War, baby. Like, you know, people were afraid every day, and these guys were unbeatable. Unfriggin' beatable. And one thing in the documentary, which I'll quote here, I won't quote, but how Herb Brooks would call the Soviet Union's captain uh Laurel Hardy. They're like, look at him. He's a fucking idiot. He looks like Laurel Hardy, and he does. Like when you go back and look. But the other thing they bring up in the documentary that was really fascinating to me, and I mean to all of them, was just how when we won that game, and the Russians are just all standing on the ice, like with their chins on their sticks, watching us enjoy it, like just celebrating beyond belief. And it's because they forgot what it was like to feel that way, because it was just work for them, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_15 1:15:54

And they were gonna get sent to the gulag when they got back, too.

SPEAKER_18 1:15:58

That's probably why they were sow can you imagine being that coach. I mean, they pulled Trediac, okay, who was the greatest goalie in the world to yank him.

SPEAKER_16 1:16:09

I can't fucking believe they did that and never pulled the goalie when they were down at the end. They didn't pull him. They didn't pull the goalie.

SPEAKER_18 1:16:17

Yep, but they pulled Trediac what after the first or second period. Yeah, right. Oh yeah, they didn't have much patience, did they? And then didn't pull them at the end, him at the end. You're right. Good call, Dave. All right. Anyway, incredible, incredible sports moment. And then I'll go to my deep hatred, which deep hatred. And it's obvious. This is the only category where I didn't have a backup for either part. You didn't need one. But yeah, but this is 1986 World Series, Boston Red Sox versus the New York Mets. Game six, the Billy Buckner play.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:00

Three and two to Mookie Wilson. Little roller up along first, behind the bag, it gets through Buckner!

SPEAKER_19 1:17:08

Here comes Knight and the Mets winning!

SPEAKER_18 1:17:11

It's a joke nowadays to a lot of people, but I lived it, and this is one that I remember living live. And at this very moment, the cousins I hung out with most, they were very we were very close with Stevie and Maggie, were at our house in Hinsdale, New Hampshire, and they were from New York. And I remember struggling to do, which is not to beat up Stevie. Like I wanted to wring his fucking neck.

SPEAKER_16 1:17:45

It was the Mets, too, who have a brutal history.

SPEAKER_18 1:17:49

The Mets have a brutal history after all teens.

SPEAKER_16 1:17:51

They didn't that year.

SPEAKER_18 1:17:53

But they did, yeah, exactly. They prevailed that year, and poor Bill Buckner will never live that down. It wasn't his favorite. But I think so many people forget that that was game six. We still could have won that series in game seven. You know, and I mean, yeah, we got fucked because of that.

SPEAKER_14 1:18:14

And there was a comedy of errors, the Swiss cheese, or whatever you want to call it. You know, there was a pass ball, there was, you know, there was all kinds of stuff going on that you know, he took the brunt of it, but it wasn't him by any means. No, tonight.

SPEAKER_18 1:18:26

You're right. But he certainly took the brunt so much that he's on Seinfeld. Right.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:33

Do you realize the game was tied? The Mets had already tied it at five to five, okay? Calvin Giraldi comes in, gets two outs, he's out there at friggin' basket case. You know, all of a sudden he starts giving up these weak singles and everything. And then, okay, it's what, five to four, and they bring in Bob Stanley, and then there's the pass ball. And see, I think I think Buckner takes too much of the blame on this. They how do you know they were going to win the game after that? You know, they were gone into the eleventh inning, and on top of that, like you said, AJ, they had game seven, they got off to a three-nothing lead. Unfortunately, Bruce Hearst's shoulders started to hurt. I think it was the fifth or sixth inning. And all of a sudden the Mets just overtook them. Sid Fernandez came in and started knocking everyone out. In other words, pitching incredibly, and I drank a whole bottle of whiskey that night, which is not like me. It was so bad.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:32

But isn't isn't that what makes championships special though? You can't blink now, but not the bottle of whiskey. I'm just saying you can't you can't blink. And they blinked, and that's that's what makes when you when you win, it's perfection to the end.

SPEAKER_18 1:19:48

All right. So we're moving on to category number three, and this is gonna be a video game that you ruled that. And I did want to be a little specific here because I realized I did not necessarily say arcade game. Well, I want arcade. Yep. I didn't be fine. However, just in case I got to use an audible. Console is still available. Yes, console is still available. So on the ball. Video game, you ruled that to you, David.

SPEAKER_16 1:20:23

So it's 1980. We're on vacation. We took a two-week vacation every summer. Um, very lucky. We're in Stone Harbor, New Jersey. It's hot, it's summertime. Kids are just coming off the beach, go home, grab a quick shower, then I hop on my big fat skateboard. Imagine you see how bald I am now. Imagine me with big bushy 7980 hair, you know, uh the Terry cloth shirt, you know, and then the striped shorts and the striped socks and the sneakers, the Nike Blazer sneakers, ride my skateboard to the local arcade in Stone Harbor, run up with my skateboard under my hand, stick it against the arcade game, and throw all my quarters up there so I can play this game forever. And the game was, and I'll be impressed if you guys remember this. The game was called Cosmic Alien. It was the first follow-up to Space Invaders. So remember how boring Space Invaders was, but we had it. You know, the the the the Cosmic Alien was the first game. It was a it was the first uh uh fixed screen shooter game where you could move your guy back and forth, and then they dug the the bad guys would die bomb down on the gunner. And it was called Cosmic Alien, and it came out uh a year before Galaga. So everybody remembers Galaga, but nobody remembers Cosmic Alien, and I wouldn't either, but that game happened to be in the Stone Harbor, New Jersey Beach Arcade in 1980, and me and my cousin Nick played it for hours at a time trying to get the high score. Uh it was just a fantastic game. There's so many other games I could come up with. Can I give you one more? As long as it's not one of our console and a video game, and I was really good at it, and I loved it, and I loved it because I would show off uh with in front of the girls with this at local pizza shops. I would play pole position. Pole position was another game I loved. Those are the two I will give you. Google, Google Cosmic Alien. It's a fantastic game that I can't believe people have forgotten, and it's better than Galaga. So here you go, guys. I just did.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:39

And you know, the amazing thing about that is that at that time, so many all those games were handmade.

SPEAKER_16 1:22:47

Crazy, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:22:48

They weren't pushed out. Midway and Bally and whatever else was shifting from pinball to arcade to video games. So what you got in your area might not have been. Of course, yeah, the big ones, and I'm not gonna list them off, the big ones were were national, but there were some things early on that you got in one region you didn't get in another region.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:10

Yeah. By the way, sorry I ran on.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:13

That's it. You're in detention, Dave. I've had to get a cap today, too. I mean only the quiet one.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:18

That's the funny thing about that. No, actually that's only the quiet one.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:25

That's funny. I'm usually succinct.

SPEAKER_14 1:23:28

Awesome pick, Dave. All right, that's to you, don't right. So mine I was I ruled at both in the arcade realm and in the video game realm because it kind of was came out at the same time that Atari was coming out. So I ruled it in the in the arcade and at home, and it was very simple from a graphics standpoint. I'm definitely no tech nerd, um, but it was asteroids. It's probably the most simple graphics. You know, it's like white lines and a little triangle ship, and your triangle ship is right in the middle of the screen, and you got asteroids coming at you from all corners of the screen, and you can just spin around and shoot and destroy the asteroids, right? It's very simple, and I got so good at it that it got boring, so then you could like throttle up and start to fly. So you weren't just centered in the screen and spinning around, and I would just like like suicide mission across the screen as fast as I could go, and have to like kamikaze into the asteroids. This was the only way I could get any enjoyment out of after a while because it was boring. Like you could just you know, beat it. You could beat the game very much.

SPEAKER_18 1:24:41

That was a hard game, man. That's why it's not a good idea. You were ruled at it because I sucked.

SPEAKER_15 1:24:47

Come on, well, basically it's a suicide mission because you're gonna die every time.

SPEAKER_14 1:24:52

If you throttled up, but if you stayed in the middle and just, you know, as long as you were quick on your trigger finger and you know prioritized which asteroids were coming at you and when to destroy them, and they'd break up and then hang out the.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:10

Wasn't it asteroids that had the baseline that just kept like just building intensity, which was brilliant on their part because you just got like you know, just the music would like eat it? Yes. Yeah, yeah, like Jaws. It was it was that kind of thing. It would increment the increasing intensity and then thumping that was just like maddening.

SPEAKER_18 1:25:38

Yeah, classic game.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:40

Awesome, Donnie. All right, Kev, what do you got? I don't even know where to go here, AJ, because I I I know that so many of mine are yours as well. I got back to blame on arcade. I mean, I've shown you. But then the other thing is that that I don't know. I just I don't know. I love so many of them, but I'm gonna I'm gonna go straight up the middle with Gallaga. Just because it was, I know.

SPEAKER_16 1:26:12

Like, hey, I tried to I tried to give you space, but I mentioned it's no, that's all right. That's everybody's aware of it.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:20

Everybody's aware of it. It was just one where I knew that I could I could walk up with one quarter, I didn't have to have the whole role of of quarters to play that one, and I could play forever. As a matter of fact, when my son, who's 19 now, was young, we have I don't know if you know this, Dave, but we've got the world's largest arcade museum that we all kind of ran through when we were kids. It's a museum. Well, they call it a museum, it but they've got they've got a rotating um cast of old video games, and there's one guy that keeps them all running, actually. And and yeah, he just rotates them out when they find salvage ones, he gets parts and fixes them up and whatever else. But when my kid was young, I could give him uh he'd get a big cup of tokens and go, and I'd take one token and he'd fire through that whole big plastic cup of tokens and come back, and I'm at Galaga with the one with the one token. So that was that was my jam back in the day. Pizza, pizza parlors, skating rinks, anywhere you could, it was everywhere, and you could always just go up and and have a good time with one one quarter.

SPEAKER_18 1:27:34

And I will say that fun spot now, still open to the public. They roll all the new games through, but the museum, you know, classic floor is still where I go every time. I have tokens in my car. Right now, it's about a mile and a half from my house, and I still pop in once in a while. It's fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:59

Same same lighting as the arcade had when you were a kid, same smell, same carpet.

SPEAKER_18 1:28:03

Yeah, still there, yeah, so same music playing. Yeah. You walk into that room and it looks more dingy than the rest. It's great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:12

And the rest of it brings you right back in. It's like quantum leap of time traveling, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yep. Awesome, Big Kev. All right, brother, do you? All right. Well, this is not a video game that I ruled at. It was the only video game that I was pretty good at. I mean, we're not I was never good at any of these. I mean, we bowling, the That's a 21st century thing. I mean, I bowled 300 games. But uh I'm going with Centipede. I just was really good at it at the time and and did pretty good. I I compared to the other games, I would be playing it more than four to five seconds, and you know, I'm out, and I really had a good time playing it, and I don't really remember much about it.

SPEAKER_18 1:29:00

Oh the rollerball. The rollerball, Mark. Like having that ball to move your guy around instead of the joystick. That was awesome. That's actually true, right? Damn, left, right.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:14

You know, we're all exaggerating our skills at the video games, Mark. You don't have to be quite as humble as you are.

SPEAKER_15 1:29:21

No, I no, I suck at most video games. I did pretty good on the Tyson thing, but uh knock them out like Tyson's punch out.

SPEAKER_18 1:29:30

Hey, you know what? Maybe that's my pick, Mark. I know that's my like I said, the beauty of going last is I'm not ruining anything for anyone, but Gallaga was gonna be my pick, but I'm gonna skip that. But I just need a quick story on that, and that is when Donnie and I worked at the Pier restaurant, I would go into the arcade back in the days when I used to be early instead of late for work. Oh my god. I would go in and I would get that high score every morning, go to work, and then check it on the way out and play again if it was beaten. But anyway, I'm gonna go with a game called Shinobi. Shinobi, right?

SPEAKER_15 1:30:18

See, no one was I don't even hear of these games.

SPEAKER_18 1:30:21

Maybe I am a room, I don't even know what this is. Oh my goodness, what a great, great game. 1987, you were fighting against the Z terrorist organization. I've actually talked about this before, I think back when Kevin and I did like our first test cast. But what an incredible game. You're just this ninja throwing throwing stars, and if you got close to the guys, you'd whip the sword out, and it was just absolutely amazing, and I could do well at that, like Kevin said, you know, have a pocket full of tokens and go through like two or three in like an hour or two, and just sit there and play. And I'm not gonna go that deep into it, but look up that game. They because they made a franchise out of it, basically. Like we loved that game. It went to the television consoles.

SPEAKER_14 1:31:20

I loved on the shinobi. It was there was like a nuclear option that you could hit.

unknown 1:31:24

Hoodiah.

SPEAKER_14 1:31:26

Where if you were losing, you could hit a button with hoodiah and it would just like destroy everything on the screen.

unknown 1:31:33

Hoodiah.

SPEAKER_14 1:31:35

Hoodiah was awesome. Hoodia. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:37

Hoodia. That's like you remember the Johnny Cage on Mortal Kombat where he'd do the split and punch the guy in the balls? But AJ, you were talking about the high score at Gal at um at the pier. Do you know if it's still there? Because I've got an extension cord. If you want to go grab it and take it across the road like Costanza with Frogger.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:59

With Frogger.

SPEAKER_14 1:32:01

Jerry? I've been preparing for this moment my entire life.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:13

Game over.

SPEAKER_18 1:32:15

All right, David. We're off to you at number two, and that is gonna be our hottest TV actress. Sexiest, or however you want to work.

SPEAKER_16 1:32:30

There are so many possibilities here. I won't ruin them for you guys. I won't ruin your picks. But I I listen, I got a tie for first. I'm only gonna pick one. I'll tell you at the end if you guys don't name the other one. Okay? Fair enough. But my hottest 80s actress is the first woman I ever saw in Spandex, and that was Erin Gray from Buck Rogers and the 2016. I love her. Now you could also say she was in Silver Spoons, but that's a forgettable role. Playing Wilma Deering in those pilot jumpsuits, and then there's just she would just hang out in like a total spandex jumpsuit. And she had the long, sort of blondish hair, and she was just perfect. I mean, there were uh a few attractive women in there, Princess Ardala, and I can't remember her name off the top of my head, but she was fantastic as well. But I would have to say, guys, um I I Aaron Gray, I have so many other possibilities that I'll bring up if you guys don't name them. But Aaron Gray is my number one. Aw, we can do plenty of honorable mentions. Yeah. Right. Yeah, we could do that.

SPEAKER_18 1:33:44

But I think Donnie, Donnie, definitely Buck Rogers came up in your I pulled the armadella, the Queen Armadella.

SPEAKER_14 1:33:52

Yeah. Uh she's she's great, scantily clad, but Wilma filled Oh, she sure was. She filled that skin tight leather space suit with the wide V. Oh. Good memories. Very good memories. That's good.

SPEAKER_18 1:34:13

Awesome pet. Okay, Dongo, off to you.

SPEAKER_14 1:34:16

So mine, I hope I don't steal this from anybody, but Heather Locklear, man, I loved Heather Locklear on TJ Hooker. And and I knew that she, you know, at the time I was a rock and roller. I had long hair, and I knew she liked the bad boys and the long-haired rockers because she was married to Tommy Lee, and then to Richie Sambora. Um, you know, she she got she got uh hooked onto Aaron Spelling's train, and he he used her in Dynasty, and I loved her. She's a beautiful woman. Still a beautiful woman. Still a beautiful woman.

SPEAKER_17 1:34:54

Awesome. Okay, Kev, what do you have?

SPEAKER_10 1:34:57

And and she held the screen up next to uh Adrian's Ahmed, too, so you gotta give her just kidding. Um again, like Dave said, there are a million, million places to go here. But I remember somebody taught me when I was really young that when you date a girl and you want to have an idea what she looks like when she's older, you check out her mom. Because that's gonna give you some kind of clue of what she's gonna look like when she's older.

SPEAKER_27 1:35:25

But it is true.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:25

But I don't have to do that here because we have the with the uh benefit of hindsight, and uh I'm taking Christina Applegate because she was a good one. DM knockout then, and she's still a fine-looking lady now.

SPEAKER_21 1:35:39

Oh my, you are so attractive. Uh all American girls as beautiful as you in their dreams.

SPEAKER_14 1:35:46

Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_21 1:35:47

Does she have M?

SPEAKER_14 1:35:49

She does, yes. I think she does. Oh, yeah, yeah. God, awful.

SPEAKER_15 1:35:54

Okay, Mark, what do you got? All right, well, I mean, I'd go with a fabulous Moolah, but that's the obvious choice. I'm going with I and this has been brought up before. Her name is Terry Hatcher, and she was on TV once on that Quantum Leap episode, episode three of season one. She w this is supposedly her in 72. Oh my god. Oh my god, the perfect woman. The perfect woman. If somebody put a woman in into a factory and came out, this would be the woman I'd want to be with. Oh.

SPEAKER_18 1:36:30

Okay. Does your wife know that?

SPEAKER_15 1:36:35

I well, does my wife know that? Well, you think she wouldn't pick up a hot guy? No, but Terry Hatcher was absolutely beautiful at that point. She was so fucking hot in that. So that's my pick.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:49

And am I wrong in saying that they were real and they were magnificent?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:52

And by the way, they're real and they're spectacular.

SPEAKER_15 1:36:57

It sure is.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:58

On Seinfeld later down the road.

SPEAKER_15 1:37:00

But yeah, there's a million women. I mean, I Uncle Roy used to say I could fall in love with a hundred women. And uh he meant it. He was a flirt even in his 90s, so God rest his beautiful soul. So anyway.

SPEAKER_18 1:37:14

Alright. So to me, and wow, nobody took my first pick. So wow, and now I'm looking at all of them and I'm like, which one do I take? But I I have to go. I'm gonna go with riches. You know what? I'm not gonna go with Heather Thomas. I'm gonna go with Raquel Welch. Okay. Now, mind you, she did have an exercise show during the 80s.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_18 1:37:48

My mind always goes to Shawshan when that poster is on Andy Dufresne's wall. Oh my god, sexy as hell. And that particular picture that I go back to, I mean, that's 70s, man, and she still was pretty showing, if you will, and unbelievably hotter than hell. And of course, another Seinfeld reference because she doesn't move her arms while she walks. And oh, what a beautiful woman. And I'll leave it at that. By the way, by the way.

SPEAKER_16 1:38:31

Oh, yeah. My 1A, my 1A was Marky Post.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:36

Oh, man.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:37

On my list, we just binged on Night Court.

SPEAKER_16 1:38:43

And nobody brought up Daisy Duke. Nobody brought up.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:46

I was gonna go with her. I have her talking about Katherine Blood.

SPEAKER_16 1:38:53

I love the Roma one. No pun intended.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:56

I know No Pun intended. Lisa Welchell?

SPEAKER_10 1:39:01

Remember Lisa Welchelle?

SPEAKER_16 1:39:03

I had Nancy McKeon on there. I always liked Joe over Blair.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:07

Oh, okay. I can't love with Joe.

SPEAKER_16 1:39:11

Joe was the hottest one. Joe was it.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:14

Joe was kind of a bitch.

SPEAKER_16 1:39:16

You know another one I had? Sybil Shepherd from Moonlight. Yeah. She was just smoking. She was in a smoke show.

SPEAKER_18 1:39:23

She was smoking. You know how sometimes the attitude of a woman makes her hotter. Yeah. Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:33

So Marianne or Ginger? All the way. Yeah, yeah. That's always the answer to that. Always the answer.

SPEAKER_18 1:39:40

That's a good breed.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:42

Ginger was way too much work.

SPEAKER_18 1:39:44

I hate this one. High maintenance, exactly. All right. To number one, favorite Miami Vice guest star.

SPEAKER_16 1:39:56

So I wore my Miami Vice t-shirt for you guys. And when we all first talked, I brought out Miami Vice. So kudos to you guys for throwing a Miami Vice category in here. I really appreciate that. I just want to say that up front. Guests, there are so many, as you guys know, so many great ones, but some of the more well-known ones were in episodes I didn't particularly like. I could go so many ways here. Again, uh, just some fantastic guest stars. But I'm gonna go with one that a lot of people don't remember his name. His name is William Russ. And he played Evan in season one, episode 21, called Evan, who was Crockett's old buddy.

SPEAKER_24 1:40:38

Pull a jacket on an ex-day vice cop named Evan Fried.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:43

It's taken six months for alcohol, tobacco, and firearms to get him next to Ghostman. I will not have his cover blown.

SPEAKER_12 1:40:50

Evan used to work with Crockett and a guy named Mike Orgell. Or Gell got killed in the line of duty.

SPEAKER_16 1:40:56

He and another guy, Mike Argell. Evan and Crockett came out of the academy together. They found out. It was really controversial at the time because we never see Mike Argell, because he had basically committed suicide by cop. Um he walked into a situation because he came out of the closet and Evan freaked out, and Evan and and Crockett went their separate ways and never spoke again. And years later, Evan is now a federal officer undercover and they meet in this episode. And it is to me one of the finest episodes in the entire Miami Vice universe of episodes. It's called Evan Season 1, Episode 21. William Russ plays Evan Freed. And a lot of people don't know the episode because if you go and try and download the catalog right now, episode 21 is not there because there's a music rights issue with Peter Gabriel's. Oh, interesting. So episode 21 is never included in you actually have to get watch it on Blu-ray, or you can see scenes of it on YouTube. But there was that great run in Miami Vice where they had like Smuggler's Blues and uh they had Pam Greer's uh uh episode, I forget what it was called, but that was episode 22. Before that was Evan, like they went on that run in season one from like 15 to 22, which is absolutely classic Miami Vice. And it and for me, the William Russ Evan episode, I just if you can ever watch it somewhere, I highly recommend it. Uh that's the episode where um the guy who did the music for um for Miami Vice, I can't think of his name right now. I can't believe it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jan Hammer, he got nominated for an Emmy Award for for the score in that episode. So that's my that's my unconventional pick, William Russ.

SPEAKER_18 1:42:51

Nice. Wow, good one. And I love those when someone's undercover, and my guess would be from not seeing the episode is he had to pretend to Crockett or Tubbs that they didn't know him, right?

SPEAKER_16 1:43:06

Yeah, exactly right. There's a there's this faint like he comes in in the beginning and there's a drug dealer, Guzman, that that Evan works for, and and Evan comes in just being a real loudmouth, and and you could see Crockett's really kind of shaken because he hasn't seen this guy in a while. And they leave after the meeting, and Tubbs goes, I can't wait to bust that Evan guy, and and and Crockett says, We're not gonna bust him, he's a cop. And then they break into the opening uh opening.

SPEAKER_18 1:43:35

Oh no, so he knew he was a cop. I was thinking like he didn't know how winning. No, yeah, he knew.

SPEAKER_16 1:43:41

He knew he was a cop. And it's one of the best episodes ever of Miami Vice. And um I I could if if I could ever find it and watch it, I'd probably watch it once and while nice, I love that shit when that happened.

SPEAKER_18 1:43:55

I'm such a nerd. Awesome pick, Dave. Off to you then, Dongo.

SPEAKER_14 1:44:00

That's awesome. I like that you mentioned Smuggler's Blues because that's how I remember that song from that show. Right? Right. I love that. And I He didn't write it for that show either. They used it. Yeah. Um and I'm gonna go back and start watching some of these shows because I didn't watch it religiously, but uh researching for this, uh, you know, seeing some of the guest stars is like, wow, man, I gotta I gotta, you know, revisit this. Um but I went with gotta tie it to track. Gotta tie it to track. Scotty, beat me up. So I went with there was an episode in season three, episode 20, that had George Takai, who was Kairosulu in in Star Trek. Um and the title of the episode was By Hooker by Crook, which I thought was a catchy um episode title, you know, By Hooker by Crook, but they called it By Hooker by Crook. And I watched a little clip of the of the episode, and it shows there's like eight people in like a 20 by 20 room, and each of the eight people has like a Mac 10 or an Uzi. So there's probably like 10,000 rounds being fired, and only the bad people die, you know, and and and George Takei dies. I guess he was like a um like a money launderer or something like that. It was just funny, it was a funny scene. But there was also a lot of um in that episode, and I don't want to mention any names because it might steal somebody, but I don't think anybody's gonna say Melanie Griffith, but she was in that episode. Um there was also a wrestler and and a and a vanity. There was a lot of people in this episode.

SPEAKER_16 1:45:43

So everybody wanted a guest on that show. Everybody, like even if they weren't actors.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:48

Don wasn't wasn't that where um Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith did they get together from that might have been that just started?

SPEAKER_14 1:45:57

Yeah. Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 1:45:59

That's where they got remarried.

SPEAKER_23 1:46:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_14 1:46:01

Nice. George Takay has got a great voice.

SPEAKER_23 1:46:04

It is unfortunate that our mutual friend neglected to enlighten me regarding her newly discovered love of the law. George Decay.

SPEAKER_17 1:46:17

Nice, Dongo. Yeah. All right, Tor.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:21

All right. I'm not changing it, even though it's been talked about, because I realized that it was kind of like the show started off, it was groundbreaking. It was it was music videos as a cop show, not cop rock, which did not take off, but it was it was like it really it's it was more about the the it wasn't the substance as much as it was the sense, the feeling, the music and and the style and all of that. I think the smugglers blues episode was where it skyrocketed. Like you said, 15 to 22. That's when all of a sudden it went from being a big deal to permeating every inch of your life, where everybody's trying to figure out how to get the Don Johnson um five o'clock shadow. You know, you had to get you had to get the you know, the the pastel clothes and and the bright shoes and sports jacket over the t-shirt. Exactly. They wouldn't they wouldn't let me wear the the over-the-shoulder holster to school though, which was you know I was unfair. Um but it was and and watching it, it was pretty convoluted. The episode was not in it. Like, yeah, it's there's a lot in it, and it's not the storytelling was different. It's not as smooth storytelling as it is now, but it was definitely they took the cop procedural and made it a little emotional. The acting was not great early on, um, and and the writing still lacked, but uh you're right. Um he he didn't write that for that show. That was a song that he wrote, and Michael Mann heard it and was like, and so they actually took lyrics from the song and worked them into the show, the politics of contraband. And and what a great song and a great video that went with it that was kind of like a Miami Vice thing. And it was also directed by Paul Michael Glazer, who was Starsky, right? Starsky. And he also at that time or soon after that directed one of my favorite movies from that era was Band of the Hand, which had a lot of the same actors from that series were in that. And I don't know if Michael Mann produced it or what, but it certainly had that feel. It was kind of like a it was like like uh a shock program for you the school. Yes. And he takes them out somewhere to to Utes for the Utes, and he takes them out and teaches them how to survive, and they end up taking out drug lords, you know, totally remote. And they wind up in Miami, and they wind up in Miami, so it's it had all of the elements, but uh it was a great show. Uh it's on Tubi right now. Yeah, I'll have to check and see if Evan is there. Um obviously you get commercials or what's not.

SPEAKER_16 1:49:10

Trust me, I've looked. I've looked. But it's fun, but when you're gonna be able to do that. You literally have to get a blu-ray. You literally have to find an old Blu-ray. Right.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:20

Yeah, we'll be right back. You got it. Weird too that it's Peter Gabriel that has because there's I uh one of the episodes I watched had some some Peter Gabriel in it.

SPEAKER_16 1:49:29

For some reason, for some reason, I don't know what it is. But by the way, best line ever in Miami Vice in smugglers blues when the drug dealer they're buying the Coke from down in uh Bogota or wherever they might have been Carthe Cartagena. He goes, Why don't you stay and have a drink? And and Crockett just looks at him like he's an alien and goes, because we're not thirsty. And they walk out walking grave. Yeah, because we're not thirsty.

SPEAKER_18 1:49:54

Yes, we're not thirsty. Awesome. Great pick, Kev. Glenn Fry. Yeah, yeah, great pick.

SPEAKER_15 1:50:04

Brother Mark. All right. Well, they always say blood is thicker than water, and I'm going with my uncle, who happened to be on season two, episode 13. He's my uncle Ted. Uncle Ted Nugent.

SPEAKER_16 1:50:19

Oh, okay. That's a great episode. That's a great episode.

SPEAKER_15 1:50:22

Yeah, he he was good. He didn't have a lot of lines on it. He looked pretty damn badass.

SPEAKER_16 1:50:27

He was one of the best bad guys.

SPEAKER_15 1:50:29

Oh, yeah. Charlie Bassett, which is really ironic because, as we know, he's extremely. Sober and has been for decades and really looks down on it. Oh, God forbid. Yeah. You know, he it was fantastic. He he had he he in the mid-80s he looked really cool. He never had the beard that he wore. He but yeah, they played the song Angry Young Man that Ted it was a you know from Little Miss Dangerous. But he was badass. He was so badass on that show. He ended up dead. It seemed to happen a lot to some of these guys.

SPEAKER_16 1:51:11

It's a great it was a great death scene, too. Burnett.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:17

So we meet again.

SPEAKER_14 1:51:24

You got something for me? I mean, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_15 1:51:26

No, it was fantastic. It was kind of like, oh God, was it like in dunes or it like in almost like Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 1:51:32

Well he he would lure guys out under fake drug deals because they were running a scam with his girlfriend. He'd he'd lure them out into this remote area and he'd shoot the guy and then he'd have a bulldozer out there and cover their the guy up and his car. And they've so there's all these mounds out there in the middle of nowhere where they found all these dead guys. Yeah, he'd shoot them and then he'd cover them up with sand, and then he'd move on, and they move on to their next mark, and Crockett was their next mark.

SPEAKER_10 1:52:03

Nice. Yeah. You can see Ted doing that. Yeah. Covering bodies up with a bulldozer and calling it good.

SPEAKER_15 1:52:09

Yeah. Well, at least he's in the Hall of Fame. Okay, yeah, never mind.

SPEAKER_18 1:52:13

All right. And for the record, it's not our real uncle. I wasn't gonna ask, but man, I was really tempted to. Well, Mark sold it pretty good then.

SPEAKER_16 1:52:25

He really sold it. He really sold it where I'm like, wait, maybe he is his uncle.

SPEAKER_14 1:52:30

And there has to be something metabolically in him that transforms some substance into cocaine. For he is high on cocaine.

SPEAKER_18 1:52:42

It's called pure adrenaline. Right. Yeah, I gotta tell you. And great job there, Mark, sneaking politics in a little bit here and there. But all right. So that's to me. And we're going to September 27th, 1985. The season two premiere called The Prodigal Sun. Gotta tie it to Kiss. It's Gene Simmons, okay? Well he plays Newton Windsor Blade. Love that his last name is Blade here. But uh just and and this is gonna probably this is really gonna upset you, David. But uh I did not watch this show. Like occasionally I watch it an episode here and there. I don't know what was going on in my life at the time where I wasn't hooked like everyone else, but now I can't wait to go re-watch the whole fucking series. You're gonna j I'm jealous. I'm jealous if you didn't like see all these series. Like just watch them all. It's such a TV movie buff that I'm shocked myself.

SPEAKER_16 1:54:02

I'll be in the I'll be in the TV room at night watch an episode. My wife will she'll be busy and she'll come out, she goes, really? You're fucking watching another episode of my movie.

SPEAKER_18 1:54:11

Seriously. But I just I just remember him. I I can't, I mean, I'm trying to picture it in my head, so I'm probably making it up, but he's in like a white suit and just he's on this massive party on a yacht. Yeah. And just he is always in. This is something I'll say about Gene Simmons is he's the same actor in every single role he's ever done.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:36

You know, and in this one they have. Gene Simmons.

SPEAKER_18 1:54:39

Yeah, they actually called him uh the the Sears and Robuck of controlled substances in this movie. But another irony, right? Because he's clean and sober his whole life. But just yeah, he's always the guy from Runaway with the voice and the you know, just the eyes. Good movie. He tries to be the template, Ramsey. Exactly. He's the same person in everything he's ever done, but what a fucking great, great episode it was. And I watched it, I watched some of it, of course, going into this cast, and it's just funny to me how I like you said about Tom Cruise earlier, Kevin. Yeah, and you certainly cannot compare Gene Simmons to Tom Cruise. Yeah, from GIS. From GIS. From Kiss.

SPEAKER_15 1:55:35

And I know who his biggest fan ever is. Gene Simmons. Awesome.

SPEAKER_10 1:55:42

It's funny, AJ, that you didn't watch it. I don't think I watched it until it was in syndication and talk about irony. I had a roommate that inherited money when we were probably, I don't know, 19 or 20. He'd like painted his car, bottom bought a motorcycle, and snorted the rest of it. And I'd get home from work and he'd be sitting on the couch, gacked out of his mind, watching Miami Vice. And I'm like, Do you see how this is gonna end up? You would actually be busted. You'd be busted. Yeah, exactly. Like, what what is yeah? So I don't know, maybe they did more to promote it than they did to stop it.

SPEAKER_16 1:56:20

They might have. Hey, real quick, real quick, episode two, after the pilot, you guys should watch. It stars Ed O'Neill, married with children, as an undercover FBI agent who's just crazy. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, and if you'd never seen Ed O'Neill before, you'd be like, This is one of the most serious, awesome actors of all time. Yeah. It is he it's a really dark turn, and then he after that he goes into Married with Children, and the rest is history. But that one episode was really, really good. Just FYI.

SPEAKER_18 1:56:54

Yeah, he's a great actor, no doubt about it. He really is. All right, boys. Well, that was certainly a lot of fun. And before we close this show out, uh David, I really want to give you the opportunity to talk a bit more and Liz, I reached out to you guys um uh right after I'd written a book called Soda.

SPEAKER_16 1:57:16

Uh it's a memoir that I'll have coming out next year. Uh growing up as a Gen X child, as a Gen X kid memoir, uh, grew up in a really tough situation. And uh, you know, it's funny you brought up when we brought up uh your coked up friend watching Miami Vice. I was watching Miami Vice with the pilot episode with my dad in 1984, and and and the book's about uh, you know, American dream we had at Suburban America, and then my dad falls into a pattern of drugs and becomes a drug dealer and cocaine addict, crack addict, my mother's an alcoholic. Um and uh I lay the story out, and you know, the the reason behind it is it's a story that I've had and that I haven't talked about for years. It's always been inside me. Uh, but I wanted to show people that you know your childhood doesn't have to determine your future. Um you don't have to become like your parents. You can break the cycle and live a great life, which I do. I'm very, very fortunate. And um, you know, I I I didn't realize it at the time, but I developed crisis coping tools as a kid. And I've you know now uh my day job is I own a public relations firm for over 20 years now, and we focus and and specialize in crisis communications. We've worked on the Penn State Jerry Sandusky scandal and all kinds of high profile things that I can never talk about because it's confidential. Um, but I was able to take that bizarre skill set as a child and turn that into something professionally rewarding and have a good life. And and really uh listen, I I write about Gen X in very gritty detail, uh, describe what it was like to grow up in the eight with in the 70s and eighties, and that's part of the fun of the book, and and there are some light moments, but it really is a story about a kid uh trying to find his way in a very difficult situation and trying to turn it into something positive. And at the end of the day, can you forgive the people that you hurt the most? And you know, the answer for me was yes, you you can you can move on and and become a better person, and you do not have to fall into a life of crime and debauchery because of your parents. I hate to bring a fun episode down, so that's all I'm gonna really say about it. I really had a great time with you guys, but the book's name is Soda. It'll be out next year. Looking forward to following up with you guys on it. And uh again, uh let's set a date for you guys to come on LaTeR Live. I would love to have you on, but could we do it? Here's the big thing, though, you gotta do it in an hour. We we only got an hour. That's great. So we're gonna we're gonna I'm gonna keep you guys tight on that, okay?

SPEAKER_18 2:00:00

Yeah. God bless you. And for that, you know, that's such a great message and and well put. You know, I know you're just kind of promoting the book now, and we can't wait to have you back on once it's released. And do you have a release date at this moment?

SPEAKER_16 2:00:17

2027. I'm sticking to it. If you if you hone in on a date, it's bad luck, and then the book gets pushed back. So I'm just saying 2027. That that in and of itself is risky, but thanks. And then and I and I can't wait to share with you.

SPEAKER_18 2:00:30

Awesome. And you know what? I'm sure you'll come on for an episode or two before then. Amen. And anytime you guys want me. But it was a lot of fun having you, and of course, you were fantastic guys as well. And it was just a great, uh great hodgepodge, man, and we love this shit. And I know you guys out there like the Hodge Podge. So we'll leave it at that. And we are out.