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Ep. 113 - The Great Resurrection: Life Takes On New Meaning & Helping Others At Their Lowest

• Shawn, Greg, Corey, Danny P

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Welcome back to this week's episode of Trudge Report. Thank you for supporting the show. First and foremost a very happy Easter to anyone who celebrates. We kick things off going around the horn with some talk about this very particular holiday, food comas, church services, and kids figuring out some things about the Easter Bunny. We touch quickly on the NCAA men's basketball tournament and Danny's UConn Huskies playing for a chance at the title game (note; by the time this comes out the championship has already been decided). 

Corey then asks a great question about religion and faith. Making deeper connections and what these beliefs mean to us. It sparks a quick but in depth conversation and what it means to each of us. We then shift into the recovery segment which is a continuation of service to others, mentorship, and carrying this life-saving message into all of our activities. What it means to show up for people no matter the circumstances or personal sacrifice.

“The greatest jail break in all of history occurred on Easter morning. Therefore, we must remember that whatever our prisons might be and however impenetrable they might appear, your jail break is just a prayer away.” - Craig D. Lounsbrough

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SPEAKER_01

Ladies and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another episode of Trudge Report. We are a recovery-based podcast. My name is Sean, and I am your host. I'm joined by my good friends and fellow Trudgers. Please remember to listen on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Videos will be posted each week so you can find uh watch episodes on YouTube and Facebook. But as always, please be sure to download on your listening platforms. Remember to like and subscribe on all social media outlets with the handle at Trudge Report Pod. This podcast is brought to you by Stella Mix Podcast Management. Gentlemen, good evening. Happy uh recording day, which is Easter. Easter Sunday, April 5th. The sun has risen. It's erection day. I mean resurrection day. Happy keaster. Hope everybody's doing all right.

SPEAKER_00

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01

We'll start with you, Greg. How are you?

SPEAKER_02

Doing well, man. Doing well. I'm just coming out of a food coma. Uh I I packed a lot in today, dude. Um, church breakfast. So we went to we went to church this morning. They had the breakfast before the church. I think that was a big mistake. Big mistake. But yeah, potluck style. I went in there just hammering them. They had no idea what hit them when I was done with them.

SPEAKER_01

Um like a ginger tidal wave coming through that bad boy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think it might be the last time I'm invited to one of those functions, but it's it's fine. Is he here yet? Lock the doors in the Lord's house. You're always welcome, Greg. That's right. That's right. No, it was it was it was nice and uh and a good service today. Um and yeah, and and just spent day with family and enjoyed ourselves. Big shout out to uh Peyton yesterday. He caught a game-winning interception. No, that was a football game. So Steel Hill, they they whooped out on them boys, beat them like 36-nothing. So they probably could beat the Eagles. They might.

SPEAKER_03

Greg might, Greg, very important uh question here, real quick. Uh, what was the celebration?

SPEAKER_02

He was he was humble with it. He was just I think he was just really excited. He didn't no dancing, no nothing. He just blacked out Willow. He was pumped. They actually they got two pick sixes in that game, and the coach, because I guess uh last year, like they were this is a new team for Peyton, but last year the coach they were so bad that like originally it was promised that the coach would buy ice cream if if they won a game. Well, they didn't win any, and they were so terrible. So the coach was like, Well, if if you get an interception, we'll we'll get ice cream. So now he he's he's gonna owe double ice creams. Nice, but uh that's sick, dude. Yeah, man. Good to see.

SPEAKER_01

Good to see. But yeah, other than that, good week. Awesome. Danny P. I know you're riding high, my brother. Yeah, sir.

SPEAKER_03

We're ready. Yeah, we're riding high, man. The Yukon Huskies, baby. Let's everyone count them out. That's I love it, man. Count, keep counting them out. They're gonna get beat by 20 tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01

I was just gonna say, congratulations. You get to play Michigan, the absolute juggernaut.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, I know, man. I know. Hey, dude, it's I mean, I'm taking the same approach in that game that I did against Duke. That's right. Stay stay in contact for the last 10 minutes, and we're we're there. You know, it's just you can't win the big one.

SPEAKER_01

You can't win the big one if you don't get to the big one. So let's go.

SPEAKER_02

So, what do you what do you think they gotta do?

SPEAKER_03

Uh, I think they just gotta prevent them from the game. Yeah, my keys to the game is no uh fast breaks. They just gotta get back on defense. If they if they make them play a half-court offensive game, they'll be in the game the whole entire game.

SPEAKER_01

Terrence Reid has to have a big game, dude. He was an absolute handful.

SPEAKER_02

UConn is actually uh statistically, like I was I was reading about it, they're the worst team or one of the worst teams in all of the NCAA for sending guys to the free throw line and then not getting to the free throw line themselves. So like I think that's a huge key in a championship game.

SPEAKER_01

So I think you need to be I think you guys need to be really good from the three-point line too.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. I think I mean I think that I think the real key, you know, like Michigan's, I think, top five or top ten in pace of play, Yukon's 313th or something like that. You know, that's really the huge that's like the biggest thing in the world is if Arizona, why they got throttled, is because they tried to run with Michigan. Yeah, you just can't do that, man.

SPEAKER_02

They're having putting up NBA numbers, yeah. They're gonna smoke in a while.

SPEAKER_03

Purdue beat them in the big team 10 championship. I'm pretty sure it was under 70 points for both of them. That's why, you know, pace of play is everything. But the big um what were you gonna say? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

They handled they handled Illinois. Illinois's a big team, and they got the two brothers that are over seven feet. They handled the size of Illinois pretty well yesterday.

SPEAKER_03

I think I'm honestly not worried about Reed against Mara, man, because he handles length fine. He doesn't handle strength. Mara is not strength, he's right. He's skinny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? So he I I'm I'm really the my concern is Lindenborg because we have the guards to match their guards. Demory is way bigger than Kodeau, and he's really good defender. He could lock him up. Mullins and um who's their second guard on uh Michigan? What I think is Elliot Cadot. No, the other one who's their second guard. Uh 6'5. I forgot his name. I can't think of it right now. Yeah, but Mullins can guard him, but then he's got a big one. Oh, McCain, maybe? No. McCain. McKinney or something like that. McKinney, McKinney, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then uh Lindenborg would be against Ball, and that's the problem. You know, because Johnson would be in Caravan, that's 6'9 versus 6'9. That's like I'm not really worried about that. But I mean, really, I think uh Jaden Ross is gonna have to play a huge game, and he's gonna have to get a lot of minutes because solo ball was in a walking boot, so he might not even play. He was in a walking boot after the game.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but uh, dude, I mean, if we're if they if they try to report, you're there, bro. You're there. Anything can happen, truly. I mean, yeah, Michigan's gonna be probably as it I don't think it's gonna be double digit favorite, do you think? No, eight points right now, I think, or seven and a half. Okay, that's significant, but I yeah, but they're there. That's you can't win it unless you get there, and you gotta get there.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, and they have the I mean, they have the I've been there, you know what I mean. They they have the the experience. And I mean, I knew I knew Illinois, I I mean I told you before, Brad Underwood stinks. Yeah, you weren't worried about that at all. No, because they they didn't there was no adjustments, they had one assist in I think like the first 30 minutes of the game. They just went one-on-one basketball, and there was no reason for it because they could have shot threes and moved the ball around, and they made zero adjustments the whole entire game. That that game got down to four points, but it really was never close. You know, like they were they were on top of it. Yeah, but but enough. We don't have to go, yeah, we don't have to go full NTAA here without people. I know you're pumped. I know you're pumped. I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_01

How's uh how was Easter? What'd you do for Easter?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. Easter was good, man. You know, uh we almost got uh we almost got caught out, man. We're freaking uh packing the eggs. I was packing the eggs this morning. It was always it was it was a little it was a little sketchy. Oh, you almost got caught. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Uh we got we got found out last night, but actually we didn't even we didn't even get the opportunity to start putting it out. He's just I was putting him to bed. I was reading to him, and he goes, I'm like, all right, buddy, gotta get to bed, gotta you know, wake up for church earlier tomorrow. And he goes, he goes, Yeah, you guys have fun putting all that Easter stuff up.

SPEAKER_03

I'm like, oh I know, man, yeah. I know you feel so caught out when they say, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm I'm proud to report that it's still intact in our household. Yeah, yeah. No, we're still good, but it was close, but I I sneak out to the garage. It was it was close, but we made it through. Yeah, yeah. But um, yeah, so we did that, and then we went uh we had lunch at Longhorn Steakhouse. That was nice with all of us. Always traditional Easter dinner, nice. I liked it. It's it's that yeah. I mean, that place never lets you down. I mean, really, it doesn't. I love that place. And then uh we had softball practice for about two hours, and then uh we uh came home here and it was a balmy like 40 degrees, 35 degrees at softball practice. So that was that was fun, but yeah, otherwise everything's good. We're prepped, we're ready. Monday night, let's go, baby.

SPEAKER_01

He's pumped up, dude. He's so pumped up. Good stuff, man. Corey, what's going up on in your neck of the woods over there, buddy?

SPEAKER_00

You guys just fucking talked Chinese for like five minutes. You ever see my eyes?

SPEAKER_01

We've tried to we've tried to usher you into college basketball. We would we'll explain it to you, bro. We'll give you the lowdown. You just refuse to be a part of, Corey. I don't know what else to tell you. It's exciting. Although I will say last night's games weren't really that exciting, but it's exciting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you know what's exciting? What's that, buddy? The Flyers just put themselves in the playoff picture for the first time in fucking five years tonight. I saw that too. That's awesome. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03

See, I'm happy for you. Yeah, for how much you love. Yes, I'm happy for Gregory because the Indians are on a heater. Dude, that Delawater's a real deal.

SPEAKER_01

He's a real deal, man. Yo, real deal. Can we call it a heater quite this early in the season?

SPEAKER_03

I I would say so because of the expectations of this guy. You know what I mean? It came out of nowhere, man. And he's he's riding them and they're right, riding the wave.

SPEAKER_02

Yale Central's wide open this year. We just totally stole Corey's uh round hole. I'm not gonna get any more in it.

SPEAKER_00

Let's go. Hi, Corey. Our last listener just signed off.

SPEAKER_03

Was he talking about soccer?

SPEAKER_00

There he goes. They said, well, they said I was gonna smoke crack, and I found this recovery podcast to try and help me with that, but now I'm just gonna smoke crack. That's what they said just now.

SPEAKER_04

That's what just happened.

SPEAKER_00

And join up and go to Iran. Yeah, and listen and go to Iran. How was Easter, Corey? It was great. It was really good. Glad to hear it.

SPEAKER_02

Blink twice if you're okay.

SPEAKER_00

I'm so grateful for all the things in my life. As you should be, as you should be. Yeah. I'm very full. I I den I identify with the food coma. I'm I'm in that state right now. We had a four-course meal. Um God, just so much food. So good for that. And church today was really good too. It was really good, really good service. Um, all is well. But yeah, the best part is the flyers, getting in the playoff picture. They might they're not clinched or anything, but it's good to see. It's and they're playing so good.

SPEAKER_01

There's hope. That's all we want in our sports season is hope. We want something to root for.

SPEAKER_00

I was I was saying that to my dad earlier. I was like, you know, for the last like five years, you the Flyers like you couldn't even hope. Like, I don't need a Stanley Cup. I would I mean I I would love to see that more than anything. The last time they won a Stanley Cup was fifty years ago. 55 51 years ago, I think. Um so I didn't see it, obviously. Um my dad did double double your life. Yeah, double, yeah, pretty much. Um but like I just want I mean, I know you guys can identif identify with this probably. I just want to see hope. Because honestly, like I'd love seeing the Eagles win the Super Bowl, but there will be nothing as far as sports go, there will be nothing like a Flyer Stanley Cup one day. But for now, I just want the hope of a good playoff run. If they if they manage to get in the playoffs and they lose in like the second round, I will be happy and I will probably still bitch, but I will be happy. So that's what I want. They're they're putting it together. So we'll see. That's my highlight, and uh whatever, guys. Whatever. Let's just go if they made the Stanley Cup. No. Uh for only for lack of finances, I wouldn't, but otherwise, yes.

SPEAKER_03

All right, we might have to get together on this, boys. If that's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_01

That's when you that's when you have to like call into a radio show and like try to win tries.

SPEAKER_03

We will work something, bro. If you're gonna go, enter all the sweepstakes you can, radio shows.

SPEAKER_00

But the problem is, like, so if they won like the first three games, they they could take it in game four, five, or six, right? Or four, or sorry, five, six, or seven. You know what I mean? It's the best of seven series. So it's not like you're going to the big game unless it's game seven. But you know somebody's got to take it.

SPEAKER_03

I will tell you from I don't know if I'm I think I'm the only one here that has experienced the utmost of my sports teams in in the arena of being there and seeing them lose and win. You are the experience win or lose is next level, dude. You know what I mean? It just doesn't matter. Win or lose, big game, small game, it doesn't like you know, like it just really is like something that you've never ever felt before. The experience, the camaraderie, especially at your home stadium and all those things, man. It's like it really is next level, and I think you deserve to experience it.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I would um I would definitely want to bring my dad, you know what I mean, if if that were to I mean, it's like so out of the.

SPEAKER_03

Sure, I'll come then if your dad's coming.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, let's go. I I would I would go as far as selling pictures of my feet. That's how far I would go. I'll do it, Sean.

SPEAKER_01

No, I listen. I'm you know, no matter how far down the scale we have gone, right?

SPEAKER_02

There's gotta be some like weird people that are into like how you like dress them up like like they're in the shire somewhere. Oh yeah. That's what I'm saying. I think I think that that could there's a market. So there's a martyr's cranking his hog to it for sure.

SPEAKER_01

So there's a market where they call each other kin. That's where that market's at. Hey, my kin. Where's that? Uh all kinds of places.

SPEAKER_00

All kinds of places. What else happened this week, guys? Oh, let it rip, Corey. Let's go. Let it rip. I don't know, man. I got I could I could make this whole chat real fucking negative for the next 45 minutes. Oh, I love it. Let's do it. Do it. I want it. I want it. I can't shot it.

SPEAKER_01

And stay tuned for some extra content on our YouTube channel, ladies and gentlemen. That was the best segue ever. Corey's gonna have a uh a monologue. Um one of these burn after reading kind of monologues.

SPEAKER_00

It's slam poetry. I could mother up.

SPEAKER_01

I want everybody to know that I had a get together at my house last night to watch the final four, and Corey was invited, and he did not attend. And that's fine. That's fine. I just wanted to be noted that he was invited. That's all. There's been a lot of talk on this podcast over the years about Corey not getting invited places, and it's not from you, Dan, and it's not from you, Greg, and it wasn't from our previous co-host, Bill. So you do the math on who it was. But he was invited, and he respectfully declined. I have to give him that. Those were my words.

SPEAKER_00

I had something, you know, Sean, you have no idea how many times I type out a message and delete it.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I believe it. I do this. Hey, you want to know something else? I do the same thing a lot. I do the same thing a lot. That's that whole pause thing comes into play. That's called yeah, that's good sobriety. That's what that's it's like, wait, do I really want to get this conversation started? Nah, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. Yeah, I don't want to.

SPEAKER_03

You should see the customers. I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_01

Because it never goes the way it's like it never actually goes the way I think it's gonna go in my mind. In my mind, it's like, oh, this is a quick hitter little jab. It's gonna totally, he's gonna be oh, of course, and then it's like, no, it's not gonna go that way. But that's it. What else? Anything else anybody wants to talk about around the horn before we get into it? I don't know, man. So we'll take that as a no and we'll move right into hey, okay, guys. I want to talk about something tonight that we haven't really talked about on this podcast yet. I don't think we might have touched on it a little bit. Um Sean, did you tell us about your Easter? Oh, yeah. I always forget to do that. Yes, yeah, you always do. You just always go. I don't know. I just yeah, my Easter was fantastic. I um uh the the girls got you know their Easter baskets this morning, they were hidden. The Easter bunny hid them. Um, had a long talk with Grace last night and today about she want she was curious to know if like the Easter bunny and Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy if they communicate and like who's in charge. They're on the legendary council. Well, right. I explained that to her. She thought Santa Claus was in charge, and I was like, Well, actually, he's high up. I was actually God's still in charge, Grace. Like, God is the end all be all, but yes, but the the Easter Bunny, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, they all communicate with each other, they all communicate with God, like they're all in the loop together not to worry. You know, she was worried about her Easter baskets and if they were gonna get to the proper place. So that was a fun conversation. And like I said, it's still uh the magic is still alive and well in the McDonald household for all um all holidays, which is nice.

SPEAKER_00

Isn't it so cute? Like it's adorable. They're they're little worries and and thoughts and stuff. It's like so like, man, one day you're gonna worry about paying bills, and that's just gonna suck.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. Like lying is a national pastime, it's terrible. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_01

You know what's crazy? And there's like there's probably parents out there be like, Dats, you shouldn't lie to your kids. Like, just straight throttle them, yeah, right in the face, raw eggs right up your nose. But other than that, it was good. So that was that was this morning. I played some golf with my dad and a couple friends early this morning, and then uh we went to my cousin's house down in down in Delray Beach down south. Had a wonderful time. They had a wonderful spread of food. Um, talking about the food coma. A wonderful check this out a strawberry cream cheese pie. Not a cheesecake, not a cheesecake. Oh, it was phenomenal. Greg, don't give me that face. Oh, it's the same color. It was the pie was the same color as your face and your hair. It was phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. Not a cake, not a cheesecake, but a cream cheese pie. Phenomenal. But they had a great, great array of food. We did an Easter egg hunt there um at their house for the kids and all that stuff. And yeah, good Easter egg.

SPEAKER_00

This is probably a fucking terrible way to do this podcast. Okay. I'm not questioning any particular religion. I'm sorry, this is such a tangent. That's okay. Alright. Wouldn't be the first time. Easter. Okay. The whole thing is based on how Jesus died for our sins, right? Yes. And like, I'm and I'm not questioning the validity of that. So I don't want anybody to get all upset that listen.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Somebody's going to regardless, but that's alright. I gotta ask questions. Sean told me years ago, keep asking questions. That's called seeking. I agree. Um, he died for our sins. Why? You you ever think like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm sitting in church today and like and it's very moving and everything, and I don't know where I'm at with organized religion at all, but I do enjoy going to church and I get a lot out of it. But I was sitting there for a moment and you know, the pastor was saying, like, you know, Jesus died the death that we should have died, etc. etc. etc. And it just don't it just popped in my head. I'm like, why the why? Like, why why would God have this demonstration on earth at that particular time? Am I just like thinking too much into it? Am I thinking too much in is that the big question, anyway, about like Christianity?

SPEAKER_01

No, I mean this really this did take a turn. I so the short answer to your question is I don't know. I don't know why it had to be that way. I do think though that in in most most biblical teachers, it is a spiritual death. Like I know in the Bible very specifically, he literally died on the cross, but I think like the lesson is like a spiritual death, like we have to die spiritually to be born again. You know, not not dissimilar to how all of us had to get sober, you know, and not maybe not as dra obviously not as drastic, and but I do think that's that's like that's like the lesson for us here on earth. But um, I don't really know why it had to be that way. Maybe if nothing else, maybe the world's historical greatest shock effect ever, you know?

SPEAKER_00

Like I mean, I appreciate what you just said because you kind of took the trash I just gave you and made it into something, which was really good. Because you're right about that. Like we do have to kind of like our our flesh has to die, kinda, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01

And kind of the whole the most like the biggest sacrifice one could make would be to to be put to death, you know. Again, I think it's I think it's more I don't know. There's probably some people listening to this that will say it's very specific and very literal. I think it's more symbolic in a in a lot of ways. But I also believe that Jesus died for us as well. But um yeah, I don't really have the good answer for you there, buddy.

SPEAKER_00

I know, it's just it's a weird spot, and you guys, and this is I guess this is where we can kind of turn it in the sun too, because like most of us I I would think were taught uh when we got sober that like we could believe in what uh whatever conception of God we wanted, really just the willingness to believe in our greater than ourselves that is our beginning in the spiritual way of life. And we obviously cultivated it, right? Like we've all stayed sober a healthy length of time by no credit of our own. So, like I like we all know at least I think we all feel that there is something greater than ourselves. So it's that's when there's like a it's obviously not a bridge that you have to cross in recovery by any means. I don't think but like where I'm Matt personally. We've been going to this church for a couple of years now.

SPEAKER_01

A lot of people get to that bridge though in recovery.

SPEAKER_00

We've been going to the church for a couple of years now. And I'm not, I don't put a lot of pressure on myself about it. I really don't. But sometimes I go, Can I can I buy into this? Can I fully sink my teeth into this? Or am I just gonna get the message this week?

SPEAKER_01

I think I shared did I share it on the pod a week or two ago, a few weeks ago, that I I was for a while from my meditations in the morning, I was listening to I was doing the Matthew, uh, the Gospel of Matthew audiobook. Did I share that on this pod? I think you did, and you definitely told me on the side too. I think. And and it was like it was very it was it was really cool because it was like a lot of history, but but there's some stuff to your point, Corey. There's some stuff in there that I'm like, what the that doesn't make any sense, you know what I mean? Like, I have no idea what that really kind of means in the whole like spiritual life sense and biblical sense, if nothing else, then it's just like this weird translation of a historical text, you know. But I mean, a lot of it's there's a lot of really good stuff in there, like about living life and and being good to your enemy and forgiveness and yada yada yada. But some of it's just like I don't I don't buy into all of it, plain and simple. I definitely don't buy into all of it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but I will say this though, too, is I'm I'm the same exact way, and I really enjoy now. I don't go every single week, maybe I should, but life gets in the way and whatever. But going to this church that we've been going to, like I just love the pastor. I've been around a lot of preachers, you know, and I I've been a lot around a lot of preachers rooms of recovery, right? Like of people that just preach and preach and preach, and it's like, oh god, I can't wait for this to be over. And it's nothing like that. When when this this guy has such a unique, um, kind of everyman's way of breaking down the gospel and just talking to to him, and you know, come to find out. I'm not gonna divulge any of his personal information, but he is most certainly one of us, you know, which is kind of a cool thing to find out afterwards. But um, yeah, I just I love I like the way that he breaks stuff down. He and he just he's a very down-earth guy, and I can appreciate that when it when it comes to something like this, that you know, yeah, for certainly for myself, like I've I've always been kind of wary of organized religion, you know.

SPEAKER_01

That that's a very rare quality, too. There's what you said, the difference between a preacher and a pastor, and some not to to get the term because there are some preachers that also have that that human way about them, very relatable. But you're right, for the most part, there's a lot of pre priests, pastors, preachers, that it's like they're talking literally and figuratively from a pulpit and from this spiritual hilltop, and it doesn't seem relatable. It's a really rare quality when you can have one of those those people that it's like, yo, he's just like me. You know, that's that's how our uh my shout out to Tom Clark, our the guy who married us, you know, um, who's good friends of ours. And and I mean, he's like the most down to earth, just like really, really cool dude. Like, I could talk religious stuff with him all the time, you know, like all day long. And he's an awesome dude. He's also fascinated by AA, which I think makes me respect him more. He just like he's just fascinated by the whole process and procedure and like what we do, you know.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, you know what fascinates me is people that like just kind of jumped on board the God train just naturally naturally, like without being forced to do it by by some sort sort of crisis.

SPEAKER_02

But there's a lot of us that that did that didn't go to the the same rooms of recovery that we did. They just they went to church, you know, and and it and it worked out for them, you know.

SPEAKER_01

I'm just saying, in I'm just saying in general though, like any any like a normal person that didn't have to destroy their life with drugs and alcohol.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, like I wouldn't be doing this stuff, like I found it through the you know, the crisis of addiction and everything, and it turned into something more, but like I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but definitely wouldn't be friends with you guys, but yeah, but like I mean that's like normal normal quote quote normal people have the same experiences that we've have experiences with God and with faith or with anything that one person goes to church and then it's all sudden something good happens in their life, and you know, on that day and they think that's the reason. I mean, it's the same, you know, any kind of faith, religion, or any kind of you know, that's what it's based on. You know what I mean? Is that that's why it just keeps rolling. Doesn't you know alcoholism or drug addiction or sex addiction or whatever caffeine addiction, you know, anonymous, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Shout out to uh shout out to a wonderful producer and editor that might have a caffeine addiction. J Dot Celsius. But no, I'm praying for you.

SPEAKER_02

So like that's that's probably uh I like that you said that, Dan, because I think that that's part of the human condition in all of us, right? I think in in not just us alcoholics and addicts who who, like you said, had to burn our lives down, but just every human being out there. I think at some point or another, like there's a hole in in here somewhere where that needs filled by something that's not just worldly, you know, that there's something more that we're all searching for. So I think that that that has to be part of it, you know. I can't just be like, oh well, my parents came here and their parents came here, and so I'm gonna come here too, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's a weird thing, dude, because like after I don't you know, I don't know if you guys feel this way or not, but like you stay sober for an amount of years based on this like elementary idea of God, right? Where where it was so simply put to us, like, hey, like just you know, it's just something greater than yourself. Like what we say all sorts of weird shit. The old lamp shade.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00

Like, yeah, but but you know what I mean? Like, it's just like very at least for me, like a very elementary idea of God. Like, okay, there was something that created all of this. Like, that was as much as I could define of it, right? And maybe we shouldn't be able to define God, right? But then you stay sober some years, and like I found myself not too long ago, just thinking, like, what the fuck do I actually believe? Like, I know that I have a relationship with something that something has worked for years in my life, and when I'm staying close to that something, it works out pretty well, and I breathe fresh air, like I say. Not today that I'm not breathing that air, but um it's just breathing that's smog today, yeah. Chinatown. Yep, I'm in China, China, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But it's sometimes I think like during like if if you're having crushing feelings like that, like what do I believe? What do I really believe in? And it's like heavy. To me, I think sometimes I look no further than like just love, man. And not even like your own personal love, but like look at like just go find something out in the world where it's like you know, like uh we went to some thing at the the elementary school not too long ago for for Peyton, and there's like this little girl in a wheelchair, and it was like, oh, it was like a dance recital thing that they were doing, and this little girl was out there in her wheelchair just spinning around and and having fun and dancing, you know, to the best that she could with all these other kids, and it was like, damn, dude, like I was like moved to tears from this little girl in a wheelchair, you know what I'm saying? And it was just like the you know, something like that where I can I can just look at it in a very small sense and be like, there it is. Like, I don't know everything that I believe in, but I believe in that, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, dude, I it's yeah, a hundred percent, man. I mean, I I really like coaching, man, like watching like these girls, watching these girls like get something. I mean, I can't like the feeling is it's not me, you know. When parents say, Oh, you're doing such a good job, it's like, no, it's all the great, you know what I mean? Like all that stuff, like dude, when you see those moments, man, there's like your kid or a patent doing that, you know what I mean? Like, dude, it gives you for especially people like us, it's like that moment, it's like, man, freaking life's pretty freaking good, you know. Like, this is yeah, yeah, really, yeah. Every every facet of life, man. Absolutely. Good name. But I I don't know if it was Sean, I don't know if it was you or but I used to uh I remember I think it was like after like the first year or something like that. I I forgot who I said it to, man, but I said the coolest thing right now is I don't have to ask why. Yeah, you know what I mean? I don't have to ask why anymore. You know what I mean? Why this, why that? Like it's just you know, believe in something greater than yourself, man. And this is the all beckoning.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Well, it goes back to that notion of like I I loosen my grip on having to know the answer to everything. I don't, I'm okay not having the answer to everything anymore, right? I'm okay just to your point, Corey, just just knowing that I do believe in something. Like that's enough. And I I'm not even sure it it has to get much more complicated than that. I will say I've like my I have my the seeking of my spiritual life has gone through a lot of different channels and a lot of different you know ups and not even ups and downs, but like I I remember taking I took two theology classes and a f and a philosophy class in college, and it was fascinating. Like I don't I don't even know if it like really I guess I shouldn't say it, it probably did spark my my belief a little bit more and and you know grow it a little bit, but it was just it was just fascinating. It was just a really like you know, entertaining class, and I learned a lot from it, but I'm not so sure it has to be anything more than I believe and I know something's out there to your point, Greg. You see it in the little kids or the the beautiful moments of life, you know. That that tattoo artist thing we read a few weeks ago, like just reading that, the emotions that that like that's God to me. Just having being able to have those emotions, you know. Corey, I know you don't cry, you know, you cold-hearted son of a bitch. I've cried in front of you so many times. I'm just kidding. I know. I'm I'm messing, I'm messing around. But like I think that right there, that like anything that stirs up that kind of emotion, or even anything remotely close to that, I think it's God. I think it's god totally, you know. Simple but not easy, right? A price had to be paid. It meant destruction of self-centeredness.

SPEAKER_00

Happy Easter. There's your Easter tangent. Yeah, that was good. Now that's report.

SPEAKER_01

That was very good. I guarantee we're not the only ones contemplating those ideas that listen to this podcast of our, you know, our millions and millions of followers and listeners. Um, it's kind of a good segue, actually. I something that we haven't really talked about on this podcast too much is like how we actually help the new person, not just in terms of like mentorship and one-on-one, you know, reading our literature with them and helping them work the program of recovery, but like I guess the best way to ask this question is put a scenario. Corey, your phone rings at 2:30 in the morning, and it is someone that needs a real deal help call. They need to go to detox, they're on the streets, they need to be quote, for lack of a better word, rescued from whatever situation they're in, and either given gone to the hospital, halfway house, your own home, uh detox treatment, baker act, jail, whatever it is. I want to talk about that process because we don't, I don't think we've ever really talked about it except maybe bits and pieces. What happens? What are some some kind of key points, some things you would do, some things you were taught? How do you go about that process if that were to were the case? It doesn't have to be 2 30 in the morning, but I just use that as an example.

SPEAKER_00

I'm probably terrible to talk about this. Um, but so that that has happened a couple of times. It happened it's happened to all of us. We had some doozies, Corey. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah. Maybe even just talk about those experiences. Some uh one of those experiences that you've had. Greg and I had one uh at a penthouse on the beach one night.

SPEAKER_02

Remember that, Greg? I was so angry.

SPEAKER_01

I just remember it smelled like fish. Angry. Oh Joey Joey, shout out to Joey T. I won't say his last name. Joey T was cooking pan-frying fish, it was a mess and drunk as skunk. They was cooking light switches, and like one in the morning, too, if I remember correctly, right?

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah, that's the thing, dude. So I've sorry go Corey. No, you're good. I was just about to say that. Like, I they they don't ever call at like 5 30 p.m. They fucking call at midnight.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And it's like, okay, here's the next five hours of my life, you know, whatever it takes. Um, been on some late ones, and uh I don't know, dude. The the process, the the one thing I can think to mention when somebody reaches out for help at an ungodly hour or at a regular business hour, um, is I I I don't go to help that person alone. I try to grab somebody else that's sober and seemingly stable.

SPEAKER_01

Real quick, why is that? That's I because that's one of the most important things. You know what? There's a couple reasons why.

SPEAKER_00

Honestly, I would say it's more for the accountability than it is for like, hey, make sure you tap me if you see me start sweating because I'm looking at a bottle or something. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if it's necessarily to protect our sobriety. I don't think it's that necessarily, because we're beyond human aid. I'm not saying that maybe it would help, I don't know. But I do think that for me it it has it's also probably a safety thing, too, to be honest. But I think safety's more, yeah. For me, it's it's about accountability too, because I've been called to a hotel room at 12 30 at night, and me and my buddy Kyle went over there and you know, essentially had to flush drugs. And we could both sit there and say that the drugs went down to toilet, and there was no fucking question about where the drugs went. You know what I mean? It's just like a accountability thing. But um we're stronger in numbers. Stronger in numbers, yeah. And like, you know, safety thing. Like I don't want I don't want to do that alone anyway, you know. Um, especially with somebody if I'm going to help somebody that I don't really know that well. Um so yeah, that's that's the number one thing, is grab somebody else in sobriety. Um the other thing I'd say is like at least for me, I try to make it a uh like we're we're gonna go from point A to point B. You know what I mean? There's not gonna be I'm not really going out to convince somebody to do anything. Like if if I'm getting called somewhere, that person is hopefully reaching out for help already. And they're gonna do whatever they're instructed to do, essentially. Yeah, like this is what we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01

If there's any bullshit, then you can just stay here. I'm not stopping at your girlfriend's house, I'm not stopping, you know. I might need to stop at the store, but that's an that might that's another part of this, but I'm not stopping at your homeboy's house, I'm not stopping at your job to get your last paycheck or to get this or to get your car, anything like that.

SPEAKER_00

Well, 100%. And that same that same one that I just mentioned about the drugs getting flushed or whatever, dude. That started out because the girlfriend reached out to me and was like, hey, so and so wants to go to treatment. And you know, like I said, of course it's 1230 at night, and we're like, all right, let me let me see if Kyle's around. So we go and we get there, and we knock on the guy's hotel room, and he's like, What the fuck are you guys doing here? And we're like, We're here to bring you to treatment, dickhead. And you know, it was fine. Like, we ended up talking to him and he had agreed to go. It wasn't like a big I didn't have to sit there for 20 minutes and convince him. It was just like a hey, well, she said you were w you were ready to go. And he's like, Well, yeah, you know, and he ended up going. Um and then more unfolded later. But but yeah, like I want to go from point A to point B. I don't want and actually, you know who kind of like instilled that in me is our friend Bill, not the old co-host. Oh, he does. Um and because he took me on one once and he told me, he said, we're not fucking around. It was like we're not doing any bullshit. He's getting in the car or we're leaving. Yeah. And I said, Okay.

SPEAKER_01

I've been on a couple with him too.

SPEAKER_00

It's very similar. So yeah, I mean those would be the the big things, and like whatever it is, if we're taking them to like a recovery group, dropping them back off, or if we're taking him to a detox, like they just need to be willing. And if they're not, then like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna work harder than they are, right? Like I'm not gonna get we had that same guy that he he got in somewhere, got him in somewhere, two aim, whatever, and then it ended up being and he found a way to get himself out.

SPEAKER_01

Like you know, but Danny, what about you? Any any experiences with that kind of stuff? Any tips, tricks, anything like that?

SPEAKER_03

My my biggest tip trick was uh ten minutes. So like yeah, obviously you go with someone else, but uh you go in there and you know, first of all, you know, like yeah, point A to point B, but you know, you can't just go in there for me anyways, you know, my experience is into point A. You know what I mean? Because that that could be a turnoff where you just go in, you have a normal conversation at first, and then you eventually say, All right, this is what we're doing. And if they don't want to do it, then you leave. Like I like I would do if I had a problem with somebody. I don't go in and say what the problem is and come right at their face. You know what I mean? Is that you try to set the mood, the mood, and the tone, and then you try to ask them and and tell them, hey, this is what we're doing. You need to get help, we're doing this, you don't want to do it, and then you leave. That's like one thing that I was told. And also just who I am, man. I I can't do the Bill W, you know, this is what the fuck we're doing, otherwise I'm out of here. You know, to me, that's just like I don't know. I feel like I I can go a step further and give someone 10 minutes, and if they, you know, if they come cool, and if they don't, then I'll leave. Um, but yeah, bringing somebody is huge, and for me, bringing somebody was huge, and I was explained to the fact that bringing someone's huge because left to our own reconnaissance, we make the wrong decision a lot of times, you know. So having another person to bounce the things off that are coming at you, or what the situation is or what we should be doing, or like the 10 minutes thing, or too much conversation, or whatever it is, is left to my own devices, you know what I mean? Without having, you know, I got God and I and I got me, but I love to have another person that's in the same feed as me, you know, same sobriety as me, that can have someone to bounce something off of, you know, just like I do in any problem in life when I call other people or ask you guys or anything, you know, where I always want to have someone else there, you know, to make sure I'm in the right path and I'm right in line with everything. Um experiences-wise, yeah. I mean, I'll always pick up my phone late night, man. I'll always pick up my phone no matter what. But I mean, late night I'll always, it doesn't matter what time it is or who it is or when it is or where it is, and I'll always, always, and then um the only time I would come no matter what um by myself would be if it was a safety issue and I would call the police on the way. That's the only time that I would come by myself. Is if there's some kind of like home abuse or some kind of situation going on and stuff like that, that I would call the police and I would start heading there by myself. That's the only thing where there's not time for a I was told that, you know, I mean, if there's not time for a some someone to join the bandwagon or someone might be harmed or something like that, you call the police and you can head over there right away. But um, yeah, I mean that was pretty much you know, all the all all the experiences that I had, you know, or whether it's you got stuff at the gas station, stop at your girlfriends. You know, we're not doing all that stuff. Yeah, we're not doing all that. Yeah, we're not doing all that, man. I remember uh picking up a couple kids from uh I think it was the strip club. Sensations, I remember that one. Oh yeah, yeah. They burned cigarette burns in my car and stuff like that, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had the bandana on the front. It's like, yo, you win the gang, son? Yeah, yeah. But I mean, yeah, that you know, point A to point B, man. It's uh you know, we're making 87 stops and all that stuff. But yeah, I mean, my big the biggest difference I would say is uh 10 minutes, man. I I at least give a little settle down to the to what uh you know, because it's you a lot of times it's heightened already because then they know what's happening, you know what I mean? So it's kind of just like a come down, you know what I mean, and then this is the deal, and then I'm out, you know. That's pretty much it for me.

SPEAKER_01

Greg, I know you uh I know you've had some of these experiences, especially uh in the managerial position you were at at the halfway house, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Well, and then and then that that way it's it's kind of almost different because it's it's my job. I have to get up and go, you know. Um, but what I was gonna say is is yeah, like I have. I've I've done a lot of them, and even from the working in the treatment aspect and with the halfway houses aside, um there was a there was a good stretch there of I want to say like six to nine months where our good um friend Brian Beattie, uh for whatever reason, I was like the one that he would be calling, like, hey, I'm gonna be at your house in ten minutes. We gotta we gotta go. We gotta we got something to, you know, and it would it, you know, of course I'm irritated at it at it then, and now I'm like, oh man, that what what an honor that was. Uh you know, but yeah, it is, it's it's drastically important. I think. I mean, look, there's no textbook to this, but our literature is pretty uh pretty straightforward on what it is that we do in these kind of situations. Um, what what there is no textbook for is what you're gonna get on the other end, you know what what are you walking into? No, nobody really knows. Um so I've I've had some uh some uh I've had I've had a lot of them that you know you turn out when you get there, it's kind of like dancing. Said you you you sit there, you try and um, you know, uh talk to them, you try to, you know, de-escalate any kind of situations that are going on. You know, sometimes you're walking into the wife's pissed about to throw them out, mom and dad are at their wits' end, everybody's crying, everybody's yelling, screaming, and it's just it's a it can sometimes be a very volatile situation. Other times it's just a dude, a dude reached out because he's he's drinking himself to death and he's thinking about swallowing a bullet. And you know, like that's that's scary too. You don't know what you're walking into. So I think that yeah, like trying to talk to him, trying to de-escalate it, and trying to like, hey, is there a plan at the end of this? Because if there's not, like, hey, you you you just got you got a little bit more pain to go through, brother. Like, but but we're willing to help you uh right now. Um but yeah, I don't I don't necessarily have any any boundaries or qualms uh with answering my phone uh late at night. I I'll I'll answer for anybody. Um I'm not always uh you know like I'll I'll answer the phone calls like after a certain point, like I'm in bed, I'm not I'm not sitting here messing around with text messages and looking at my phone every uh every day. No, it's gotta be a phone call. Yeah, always it's gotta be a phone call. If if if I get a call, especially at a certain hour, like I know it's something serious, you know, um and and I gotta pop up for it, and it just is what it is. Um but yeah, ha having a plan and and the big thing is is I and I think this is why it's vitally important to have somebody else's because the the accountability of not just like Corey was talking about, like, yeah, if there's shit here and we gotta flush it or whatever, but I think it's just the the um being able to work with with a partner, you know, in that kind of scenario. And hey, we're not gonna we're not gonna talk tolerate all this like victim woe is me shit, you know, like um you know, because because undoubtedly that's what you're gonna walk into in a lot in a lot of these situations is oh, you know, I you know this and this happened, and this is why this is like this, and it's uh and it's every other reason under the sun except that person's fault, right? And um there is, I think, a uh a fine line on how you deal with that right there, then in that moment, because it of course you don't wanna you don't want to make somebody so upset that they're just going to uh do something drastic and at the same time too, you don't want to play in any of their BS. So there's a there's a fine line there, and I think it always works better with two people. But yeah, the goal is hey, let's get you in somewhere tonight. You know, let's go to a let's go to a recovery group, let's sit there for an hour, you drink a little bit of coffee, sober up, get your get your might right mind about you or at least somewhat, and then let's take you to detox. Let's get you going, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I try to get a lot of those preliminary things out of the way, you know, before I even leave the house or leave wherever I'm at. Usually there's a conversation on the phone with the sick and suffering, and it's like, hey, I'm willing to come get you at you know, five o'clock or whatever time I got to, or right now, but like, are you truly willing to go to detox or treatment or are you are you absolutely ready to get some help because I'm not coming? You know, you know, if you just want to sit and you know give me the runaround. I do think that in like old school recovery, you know, they did go before the evolution of treatment centers and detoxes when they still had just kind of hospitals and you just got put on the same floor of a hospital with all the other mentally ill people. A lot of times they would just go to the person's house or or business or whatever it was, and they would sit with them for sometimes hours and and not just not just talk, but like like actually try to detox them, right? And I remember I had an experience when I was living with Papa Ron. Shout out to Papa Ron, RIP. Um I was living with him and I was still working part-time. So I remember I was taking a like it was like a Saturday afternoon, I was taking an afternoon nap, and uh I was god, I had to have been I had to have either been in my first almost like a little less than a year sober, or just over a year sober because I, you know, I didn't move in with him until over seven months sobriety after the halfway house. But I'll never forget I woke up that you know, late afternoon, early evening from a nap. Um, was planning on probably just going to a meeting that night, and I remember walking out in the living room and didn't have my glasses on, and I could hear this voice, and it said, Hey, Shawnee, and I it was this guy, Jimmy, who was from New York, he thick New York accent, had been around. Um, one of those guys that we see in recovery, though, like you never really know how much time sober they have. You know what I'm talking about? Like, you can tell that the person's been around recovery for good a long time. That's not in question, but like when they never really talk about their sobriety day, they never really mention it like hard and like an actual like, but for all intents and purposes, Jimmy had been around the rooms for a while, and I think I thought he had some time, but like the more he I got to know him, there was very real possibility that he had had some relapses in between all this time. But he was uh at our house drunk as a skunk, like drunk as a skunk. I could hear it in his voice before I even could see him because I didn't have my glasses on. And somehow he had called Ron, and Ron had had gotten him to the house, and he was drunk and he was bloated and just Billy distended. I mean, he really was, you know, in bad shape. And uh Ron's son Butch and uh Lyle and this guy, Mike R, I won't say his last name, Mike R came over, and um I got to watch how an actual home like home um you know sober call was done, like how they detoxed him and weaned him off of of alcohol. Um didn't go to treatment, didn't go to detox, and he stayed at our house for like two days, and I had to go to the store with Lyle and get a bottle of um oh, what was it, Wild Irish Rose, I think it was, one of those like rock gut stuff, and and I watched them give him just a little bit every few hours to wean him down and you know for the seizures and the medical stuff. And he he stayed at our house that night, and he stayed the entire next day, and I think he stayed one more night, and uh and we went to a meeting the next day. I think we went to a couple meetings the next day, and then we just take him back to the house, and then and then we I remember Ron and I dropped him back off at his his apartment. He had a little apartment, and um that was not the last uh sober call on this man over the years. As a matter of fact, Brian Beattie and I did one uh sometime down the road later, and I'll never forget, we showed up at his house, and we could like it was like a uh one of those prefabricated trailers, you know, like uh whatever you call them. And we could so you can hear everything, you know, walking. He was a pretty big man too. Um, and we could hear him like bouncing around and like bumping into things in the house, trying to come to the door, and like we're knocking, we're waiting, and all of a sudden we just heard the front door bam, just smashed, like he had fallen over. He was coming to the door, and he had just fallen over and just crashed into the door, and like we like got in there and he was like on the floor, and we had that time we had to call the actual paramedics. But um, Jimmy died. Jimmy did not stay sober. Jimmy died a few years later. Um, complications related to alcohol and and other abuse to his body. But um, those were also like here's the thing. I'll never forget those experiences, those were hugely, hugely impactful on my life, right? And Jimmy was a guy that knew the knew our literature a little bit, and I would sit with him and he would he taught me a lot about our literature and the history of our recovery program and stuff like that. So very interesting. Couldn't say sober, you know, uh very cryptic kind of guy, but hugely impactful, hugely impactful. So it's crazy. I remember Ron said once he had a guy grab the steering wheel, him and um this guy, another guy named Brian, who this older guy named Brian that was good friends, they picked up um this guy to take him to detox, a guy that used to own a halfway house in the area, and he had sold it and stepped out of the halfway house business, but he couldn't stay sober. He had been sober for a while, then couldn't stay sober, and they picked him up to take him to detox. And he reached through, he was sitting in the back, and and Brian and and Ron, I think Ron was driving, reached up over the front and tried to grab the steering wheel while they were on the road. And like, so shout out to having two people in the vehicle.

SPEAKER_00

You know, um, yeah, that's true. And we can we can pray for that individual and try to help them all we want. It would be really hard not to take them out of the car and beat the shit out of them after that, though.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I think they did, I think they did quote restrain him a little bit.

SPEAKER_03

Uh welcome to detox, done.

SPEAKER_01

Trying to kill me. I'm trying to help you.

SPEAKER_02

There were some moments in that high-rise penthouse uh that Sean was talking about earlier that uh had me almost Greg almost threw somebody over the effing balcony. We almost shoug knight their ass, but uh but um no, I'll say this.

SPEAKER_01

I went on one of those people, one one of those people in that in that high rise, Greg I saw last night, who is uh sober multiple years now. Um can't say the same for the other two, but oh okay.

SPEAKER_02

So so so all right. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. Um yeah, I went on one once. I can't I can't name any names, man, because he probably listens this, but uh I um I went on one uh one time and it was it was a friend, so friend needed help, and he had been in and out, in and out, in and out when we got there. He was coked out of his brain, barricaded in a room wearing a kimono. And like actual ninja swords, like legit ninja swords, like up on the wall in the room, and it was it was nerve-wracking the whole time. We had to just put like put a body in between this coked out man and a kimono and the ninja swords, because uh who knows what the the we're we're all gonna end up on some true crime show here in a minute, but uh I don't think he stayed he didn't stay sober that time, but I think he's doing well now. So his own TV show.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's wild. What do you um Dan? I'll kick this back over to you. What do you the question will probably take you off guard? The question is what is the best piece of advice you've been given or received about our recovery program? And maybe not the best, but just something that stands out that either has been given to you and maybe you've passed it on, or in the off chance that you came up with something original, um, that any of us could come up with something original. What's one of the best pieces of advice, sayings, experiences that you've had, or something that's impactful?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, or it's a zero thing that's original for me, no chance. You know, everything I mean, dude, I repeat stuff every single day that like helps my life. You know what I mean? I really do. Oh man, most impactful, dude. Oh, that's a or just just something that stands out, you know, something that you remember. Yeah, I mean, really uh dude, like a really I mean, just a huge statement statement as Corey said in our group text, man, doesn't need to be said, doesn't need to be said now, it doesn't need to be said by me. I mean, that's like a really honestly, dude, like something like that. I mean, that really, you know, like it was like a total game changing thing. But also, honestly, I would say, honestly, like doing, you know, doing the stuff of helping other people that are sick and suffering, you know, as a life lesson, you know, on how you treat people and how your feet have to m match your mouth. You know, like that's the the biggest thing that I think I've been taught is that always pretend like someone's watching you. You know, God is always watching. And that's something that I've carried with me that has caused me to be a better person in situations when no one is around me. You know what I mean? Because we all, like we said, we're not no one's perfect, you know. I mean, we all mess up, you know, that's just part of life, and that's just you know what it is. But more often than not, I always act like someone's watching me, but because someone told me that, always act as if you know, and that that's probably the most impactful thing that I have in my life. What about you, Greg?

SPEAKER_02

Shut up and listen. I think probably um and I think that that can go for a a lot of things, not just for newcomers and beginners, but um for all of it, man. I think we all have an internal monologue rolling sometimes. I think we all can be judgmental in certain situations. I think we can all view things through our own perspective and not take a step outside of ourselves to try and think about what somebody else is going through, what their perspective is on a certain thing. So I think if we if we do that kind of stuff and just shut up and listen, I think we are much more on a human to human level and we interact with each other better, we interact with our creator a whole lot better, and uh, and I think we are much, much more useful to our brothers and sisters.

SPEAKER_00

Nice something that uh you say a lot, Sean, and probably what Ron said, and many many other people have said our feet must exceed our mouth. I think uh God, I think being flawed drug addicts and alcoholics it is extremely easy to show up and look at the part and and and talk apart and talk a good game and become the coolest person, or at least we might think the coolest person in the room and we've collected a group of people who we've helped get sober, or the people that we helped get sober, they helped other people get sober, and there's this collective group in the room of people who wouldn't be here if I wasn't here. And it becomes like a sad um I think I think we can get lost in that sometimes just generally speaking. So I think it's important for us to be obviously doing the real work that matters and the stuff that people don't see more than we're talking about what we do. What is it? Do something nice and don't tell anybody about it? Yeah, don't tell anything, don't tell anybody about 99% of the shit you do, and the other one percent only use that as an example. Right.

SPEAKER_01

I think um I we've talked about the whole um when things are going good, double down on your spiritual life, when things are going bad, double down on your spiritual life. That was a a paperonism. Um, there's no salary cap on how good this SHIT can get for you. That was something he said to me. Um, but I think he totally just made up on the fly, and it was one of the most impactful things to me. But one of the one thing that stood out is actually not even from anyone in our program. There was a an old receptor, uh, uh this receptionist at my old job when I worked in hospitality management. She was, she was not in recovery, but she was the stepdaughter of a woman who worked in treatment and was sober in uh one of our other fellowships, not necessarily the ones that we frequent. Um, but she said to me one day, she's like, Oh, I came across this quote. I think you would love it. I don't know where she got it, but it was essentially, and I have it written in my my recovery book. Um, and I have her name next to it because she's the one that told me, but it was the real measure, the real true measure of sobriety is in the lengths we will go to help the next sick and suffering alcoholic, um, or drug addict or whatever. And that always that like you know, in that point in my life, whatever it was, just hit me, hit me big time, you know. So a lot of good stuff. We could we could have a we could have a cool episode on just like little one-liners and little sayings and little quips and stuff that we've heard through the years. So very good. Guys, great show tonight. Good to have the band back together. I feel like Corey was traveling last week. It's been a while, yeah. The week before that, Dan, you were traveling. It's nice to have everybody. Getting the band back together, Corey. What do you think about that, buddy? I think I'm about to go find the crack rock. Okay, well, fresh air after this. On that note, I'll be over in 10 minutes, Corey, to help uh help you get to detox. You need some raw ginger. You mean help me look for the crack rock in my carpet, right? Yeah, to quote detox. Uh shout out to our listeners. Please like, follow, and share on all socials at TrudReport Pod. Email us, TrudreportPod at yahoo.com. Send in your mailbag request for topics, questions, and comments to any of these handles. Remember, we are all here. If anyone uh if anyone wants to talk about recovery and our experiences, or if you are struggling with some form of addiction, thank you again to Janine and Stella Mix Podcast Management. Good night, God bless, and may you trudge the road of happy destiny. We will see you next week. Cheers.