How Can We Correct Misconceptions About Native American Culture?

Can you imagine a world where the stories you heard in school about Native American communities are completely redefined? This episode features a poignant conversation with Kelly Tudor, an educator and proud member of the Lippon Apache tribe of Texas. Kelly is on a mission to correct misconceptions and provide a true representation of Indigenous culture. We explore her tireless work raising her children with traditional Lippon Apache values and the significance of maintaining cultural integrity. Discover how Debbie Irving's book "Waking Up White" has been instrumental in challenging the stereotypes that many of us unknowingly perpetuate.

For those interested in the profound issues within our education system, this episode is a must-listen. Kelly discusses the pervasive cultural insensitivity and miseducation that Native American students face daily, and how these issues have driven her to homeschool her children. Hear specific stories of cultural violations, including improper treatment of Native students' religious expressions, and learn about the federal protections that many educators overlook. This conversation is a call to action for better education and awareness to cultivate a more inclusive learning environment.

Lastly, we address the painful history of Indian boarding schools and their lasting emotional impact on Indigenous families. Kelly highlights the gaps in our current education system regarding Indigenous histories and underscores the importance of teaching these stories to foster empathy and understanding. We also examine the subtle yet powerful influence of media and educational materials on shaping societal perceptions from a young age. Don't miss out on these critical insights, and be sure to stay tuned for part two in episode seven. Check our show notes for invaluable resources mentioned throughout our discussion.

For links and the transcript, visit wokehomeschooling.com/podcast

Transcript

Educating About Native American Culture

Delina 0:00

There are harmful things that we think, do and say that harm others. There are things that we need to learn and unlearn. Welcome to Homeschool Yourself. I'm Delena Price-McFaul. In this episode, I get to talk to one of the people that I've learned from in the past few years. Her name is Kelly Tudor and she's dedicated her career to undoing the harm that has been done to indigenous people in this country. She does this through education. She teaches children and she teaches adults. Also, she teaches teachers and she does curriculum development.

Delina 0:33

There's so many untrue things that we all learned in school about Native American people. We learned stereotypes as truth. Most of the time, we didn't have anyone to guide us, to even be able to spot the stereotypes and think about the harm that was done by certain messages that we learned. Many times just by not learning their history, who they are and them not being even in our consciousness, we learn to ignore them in the present day and ignore their contributions.

Delina 1:08

About 10 years ago, a book came out called Waking Up White by Debbie Irving. I read it because I was leading a group where we unpacked issues of race. I really think this is a really powerful book and one of the things that I loved about it is that after every essay or chapter, there would be thought-provoking questions to help you unpack your own thoughts. And one of the questions and you can find this on page 91 of the book and I'll link to the book in the show notes One of the questions asks you to make columns and label them and next to each, quickly write five stereotypes that come to mind for each group of people. So they have African-American, white, asian-american, native American and so on.

Delina 1:52

I was honestly surprised about what I wrote down. It got me thinking where did I learn this from? Where did I get this? Where did I get all of this misinformation? In this episode, kelly and I talk about exactly where these harmful ideas come from. Take a listen. So this is exciting, kelly. Will you give us your real robust introduction about who you are and what you do and tell us about Kelly?

Kelly 2:27

Hello, my name is Kelly and I'm Lippon Apache. I'm a citizen of the Lippon Apache tribe of Texas. I am an educator and I homeschool my own children. I am culturally intact and raising my children traditionally Lippon. What does?

Delina 2:42

that even mean that you're culturally intact.

Kelly 2:46

A lot of times when I meet people and you know people are like oh, you're, you're, you're native american, you're indian or whatever. You know, yeah, I'm, you know, lepon apache and that kind of thing, that's. There's not a lot of understanding of what that means. Um, people, I've tried to explain. You know, we are culturally different than north american people. Like we, we have our own cultures. And then people are like what do you mean? Your own culture like what? What foods and values and traditions and and you know all these different things and people, what do you mean? It's different than the United States or what is you know?

Kelly 3:22

And so I like to say that I'm culturally intact, because it indicates that I'm not just somebody that has some like distant oh, my great great grandmother was, you know, whatever which is really common. A lot of people do have some distant Native heritage or at least families of that, or stories of that in their families, which may or may not be true, but that's not the same story for another day. Yeah, which? But that's not the same thing. Another story for another day? Yeah, but that's not the same thing as actually being an Indigenous person and having a Native identity. And so I like to say you know I'm a Native person, I'm Lippon Apache, but I'm also culturally intact because I do have my culture, my traditional culture. I am Lippon all day, every day, and how I live and how I see the world and how I experience the world and our cultural traditions are a part of our life, and so it's not just something that's distant heritage in my family, it's not just something that I know a little bit about, but it's, it's my daily existence.

Delina 4:18

Okay, this is not something that you came to know later in life. This is how you grew up.

Kelly 4:27

Right, yeah, I was. I was raised Lipan and my kids are raised Lipan. I didn't find out later that I had like a native ancestor and then wanted to know more, more about it. You know, people sometimes ask me well, how can I find out about my family? You know, tree blah, blah, blah. I don't know anything about genealogy. I've never had to do that, you know I, I fortunately, have always been connected to my, my nation, my culture, my people. And I know, for a lot of Native people that's not always the case because of history, the way it's happened, and a lot of Native people find out later or they know they're Native their whole life but they don't have that connection because of a variety of reasons in history. So I, you know, I understand that that's a very fortunate thing as a native person to be able to have that connection that I've always had. But you know it is. It is a bit different than just having some distant ancestry or heritage that I know a little bit about.

Delina 5:20

Right, great. So how did you come to want to educate others about Native people?

Kelly 5:31

So as an Indigenous person, I'm constantly having to correct misconceptions about us pretty much everywhere I go, everybody I talk to, there's always something that comes up in that, or people are curious and want to know more. So I just end up having to tell about myself and teach and educate. So for a lot of Native people it's not really a choice just because there's so much under-education and miseducation about us out there that a lot of us don't really have an option. Like that's just kind of what we have to do in social interactions. So I grew up in public education and I remember how harmful it was. And then when I started homeschooling my kids from the beginning I started noticing like how horrible the options were for curriculum. Like there was nothing out there and everything was just really whitewashed, racist, full of stereotypes and misinformation. You know I wasn't surprised because that's the kind of stuff that I was taught and I didn't really expect the you know, at the time homeschool curriculum to be a whole lot different than what's in the public schools, and but I was frustrated by it. So I started just making my own stuff and using good materials that I knew about, and then people started asking me for recommendations and then I started writing lessons and curriculum and and lesson plans and things and people started asking me for more and so it just kind of grew kind of organically out of being a homeschooler.

Kelly 6:57

And then my auntie Teresa she was a storyteller and she was hired at a historic site every year for a week-long educational event and she told them to hire me and my kids to teach about dance because they needed somebody. They had an empty spot and so they did and I was like all right, so we got on contract with them and every year we started teaching with them at their event. And then we started getting hired at museums and schools and libraries and the teachers were always coming up and asking me questions and complimenting us, and so then they started asking me for resources. So I started compiling resources for teachers and making book lists and then I started making alternative lists to popular curricula and I kind of got famous in the homeschool world and just kind of branched out from there. So it was all really organic and kind of accidental.

Kelly 7:46

But I now teach on out school, um but um. I now teach on out school and then I'm also hired to train teachers in different school districts and um educators. And then I run seminars and workshops for um teachers and educators for identifying native stereotypes in materials and how to find better materials. Um, I get hired at schools and museums and libraries still and um. And then I'm also a consultant for multiple curriculum companies like uh with you and several still. And then I'm also a consultant for multiple curriculum companies like with you and several others. And then I'm also right now on a committee to develop a high school native studies curriculum for the entire state of Texas that we're hopefully going to be launching this fall, that's wow.

Delina 8:24

So I was interested that you you said you were were you grew up in the public school system. So I mean, this is not in our line of questioning here, but what was that like?

Kelly 8:39

It was rough, um, my sister and I were the only native students in our school, um, and we got in trouble a lot because we would challenge the teachers. And you know, I I remember there was a time where my sister had challenged one of the teachers and the teacher said, well, where did you learn that? And she said, well, my dad, cause we're Apache. And she said, well, your dad is stupid. And so we got I mean, that's how teachers treated us, especially when we would challenge them about the things they were teaching, and that eventually led to some silencing, of course, and we didn't really get to deal with that on a higher level at all, because we were just kids, kids.

Challenges in Native American Education

Kelly 9:32

And then you know, we dealt with a lot of, you know, racial bullying and racial slurs in schools and just issues like that from students and teachers. It wasn't just a student's thing, you know, it was all around. And then, of course, the educational materials, the things that are taught in public schools, are just wrong, stereotypes, sometimes racist, just not good, especially growing up, you know, in the 80s and 90s right, so it was. It was a bit different then too. So it was. It was rough and it definitely gave me a lot of resolve, by the time I was an adolescent, to fight back against that and push against those narratives. I was an activist from an early age and I guess that gave me a lot of a lot of reason to fight. You know a lot of reasons. Yeah, it's that. And in the education world, specifically because I had those experiences and I remember that, is that?

Delina 10:21

did that inform your um reason for homeschooling part of it?

Kelly 10:25

yes, um, we had a lot of. We have a lot of reasons for homeschooling, um, but that's one of them. Yeah, I didn't want my kids in that education system and hearing those things being taught about us and them being told all these wrong things and there's only so many hours in a day when they're at school all day. How much you can correct at home? And of course, they'd be raised they're being raised culturally, so that still definitely shape how they they process that information from schools, but still a lot of the the facts of history and things can't be corrected as much, and so, um, I just the environment.

Delina 11:00

I mean I haven't thought this through, but I'm just gonna say it anyway. Um, I feel like I feel like we know the things that you shouldn't say about black people in school. We don't know those things. Well, like there's not years and years of of this. I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't get said, but I'm saying do you see what I'm saying? Like up until last year there was still a football team named a racial slur.

Kelly 11:33

A national team. Yeah, and there still are all over the country that the racial slur is still used for teams all over the country in schools, so Right.

Delina 11:40

Right, so yeah. So there's like a different consciousness there is there, really is.

Kelly 11:49

We're still invisible, um. We still don't exist in the public consciousness, um.

Kelly 11:55

We're still some mythological thing of the past, um, and in one thing not, not a not different nations right, like we're all lumped together into one people group, either that, or, if you know, people do recognize our modern existence. We're a bunch of um, you know, lazy drunks. Or we're um doing nothing, right, you know we don't contribute anything. We do nothing, um, and so the the public awareness of our not only existence but just who we are, is non-existent. And so, yeah, schools don't have that like we know what to say and what not to say, and you know that kind of thing. And then when you try to go up against these things at schools, like the mascot issue or even just what they're teaching and how they're teaching it, or even you know how native students are treated, there's a current issue a lot. The um schools violate the american indian religious freedom act all the time. Uh, at graduations, when they tell students they can't have their eagle feathers or their you know, the beaded caps or their cultural expressions at graduations, right, and they, they'll come up and, um, there's been teachers that'll throw eagle feathers on the ground, which is like culturally, like terrible. It's a terrible thing, you know, you don't let those touch the ground right, and so, and that's a violation of the American Indian Religious Freedom Act, which wasn't passed until 1978. And so we've only had religious freedom since 78. But schools all over the country won't let Native students have those cultural expressions which they're legally allowed to have by federal law and teachers and administrators are completely ignorant of that federal law and don't even know about it. Or even here in Texas and in other places too.

Kelly 13:41

But here in Texas it's happened several times. Where Native students will go to school, boys with long hair will be told they have to cut their hair because the dress code says boy's hair has to be cut up here. And well, you know, this is cultural, this is religious, you know. And here in Texas we had a kid from actually the Lippan Apache tribe of Texas, from my nation, adriel Orocha, who was in kindergarten, was put in in school suspension for wearing long hair and not cutting it and they made his tuck, his braid down, the back of his shirt, which you know was very uncomfortable and wouldn't let him be around other kids, and he took them all the way to I think it was the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and won. And now there's actually case law in Texas that every time Texas schools try to tell Native students they have to cut their hair, you can just pull out that case law and they have to stop.

Kelly 14:26

And that still happens. Like I know, a family was posting about it just a few months ago here in Texas, I think, the beginning of the school year, and so those kinds of issues. Most people just don't even know that there are cultural and religious protections for this and that these are actual cultural and religious expressions, you know, let alone it's not just like some kind of fun decoration or whatever on a bad right right, and so there's just. There's all that complete ignorance, um, and uneducation, miseducation, about those things that even school administrators and teachers don't realize wow, yeah.

Delina 15:04

So where do you start? You start with the children or you start with the school administrators to teach? That's a difficult question.

Kelly 15:13

You know, I find that elementary kids tend to be the most accepting and most willing to change how they think when given new information. The older the students get, the harder it is to challenge those narratives that they've been taught. And then, you know, especially adults adults are a lot harder to reach. There's a lot of unlearning to do and a lot of adults don't like to confront that in themselves, and so there's a lot of pushback and a lot of rejection of it.

Kelly 15:44

You know, when I train teachers there's a lot of confusion, a lot of um. You know they don't want to recognize that they've unintentionally been doing harm through the way they're educating. Um, you know, and it's, it's not their fault, they were taught that way and that they were taught to teach that way, um, but they don't want to usually face that. And so I find it a lot easier to reach the younger kids, either starting from the beginning or, you know, in elementary school, if they've been taught some of those false narratives, to be able to address it early on, and they're like wait a minute, that's not what I was told. And then they want more and they want to know, and then they want to tell others and a lot more accepting of it and a lot more willing to confront that. So the older they get and the more those those false narratives are ingrained in in their minds and those stereotypes that they're confronted with about us all the time, the harder it is to reach them.

Delina 16:35

So, okay, I know this is probably not a fair question, but what are the top three terrible things that we've learned about Native people or Native history?

Kelly 16:49

So, I don't know. I can't really choose three. The racism and stereotypes are okay when it's Native people. Oh, that's not just with mascots, but with the educational materials too. That's really ingrained in education from the very beginning. You know these ideas that we don't exist anymore. 87% of textbooks don't mention us past 1900. And so this isn't explicitly taught. Like teachers don't stand up there and say Native Americans don't exist anymore, but it's implied. And then that means people don't learn all of the issues that we deal with in the 20th and 21st century.

Delina 17:35

Right.

Kelly 17:36

All the things that were continuing. You know, all 10 definitions of, or all 10 stages of, genocide were still occurring to Native peoples through the 20th century, and several of them are still occurring now. Right and so. But this, this isn't taught because we don't exist anymore, right, we're? We're pre-1900.

Kelly 17:52

And then I think a final major issue is that, and I think a final major issue is that we were I say the S word savages, it's a racial slur but we were just as bad to each other as the Europeans were to us. So, whatever the Europeans did, it's not a big deal. I see this all the time, especially online, on social media, when native news stories come up, there's going to be commenters. Well, they were just as bad to each other as we were to them and they were just killing each other before we showed up. And that's not true at all. Um and but that's, that's the narrative that's pushed. So it's a really major issue when it comes to confronting modern issues that native people are coming up against. That's the, the pushback that we receive from the public.

Delina 18:37

Yeah, I didn't know the S word was a racial slur. Is it the word? I'm not saying it. I didn't know that. You shouldn't say that about Native people. I'm saying the word in general.

Kelly 19:03

I mean when used, you know, not for people. Okay, you know if you're going to talk about like. I mean, I don't like the word in any context, but there's contexts where it's not about people and it's not a slur, but when it's referring to Native people or people in general, really it is and it's definitely been one that's been used against us.

Delina 19:17

um right, and indigenous people from all over the world. That's been used. Yes, yeah, yeah, I, I don't even, I can't even think of what other context we we know that word. That's, that's how we know that word, you know it's.

Kelly 19:33

I think a lot of youth are using it as slang these days for like something being like, like what we used to call like killer or sick. You know they'll use it that way.

Delina 19:48

So I think I think that's kind of coming around as a slang term now, but Okay. So I think you answered this question about resources for homeschooling, but how do you teach your kids about hard history and not history that's abstract, or you know? It's history about our people. It's history about us. This is directly related to our present. So how do you, how do you navigate that?

Impacts of Miseducation on Native Americans

Kelly 20:19

how do you navigate that? It can be tough. You know, my kids have grown up with strong ties to our nation and their culture. They've been raised with cultural understandings and worldviews that are quite different than the United States, and so they recognize a lot of things in the dominant culture around them that are very different than how we see things and how we experience things, and they already see that on their own because of the way they've been raised. Um, so when it comes to hard history, um, I mean they already have that indigenous lens and perspective on things when they see history. They already have that in the first place. So it's easier to um, it's easier to recognize and easier to confront, I think. But at the same time, when it's our own people in our own histories, it's hard, um, like you know, when people learn about, like the indian boarding schools, which is in the news right now because of Canada, um, which, but that happened here in the United.

Delina 21:22

States too. Oh, it's coming, that story's coming.

Kelly 21:25

Yeah, oh yeah, they're going to start uncovering the same things here. Um, because Deb Haaland just uh called for an inquiry into the Indian boarding schools here. So, um, but you know when, when people learn about that, because that's not taught in schools, that's 20th century and we don't exist anymore, right, so that doesn't, that doesn't get taught. But when people learn about that, they're shocked and you know, wow, you know, and it's hard, and it is hard history to confront. But, like when my kids learned about that, they cry. You know, when we, like, we watched there's a scene in the series Into the West about the boarding schools, about the kids being taken away, and my kids bawled and we had to turn it off and talk, you know, because that's their own people. You know, that's us, that's what our families experienced, you know, and so we feel it differently. And so, um, you feel it differently, it's it, yeah, we, we, it's it's.

Kelly 22:22

It can be really hard to face sometimes, especially for young kids, seeing those kinds of histories, knowing, like, you know, my kids watch that and learn about that and know that that could have been them. Um, you know, I watch those interviews from survivors and and realize that that could have been me, um, um, because compulsory attendance for Indian boarding schools was not ended until 1978 and I was only born a few years after that, you know. And so it's hard and then and then looking at my own children and thinking about like that could be, that could have been me and them experiencing, you know, and it and it's so. It's the kids, they. They experience it very differently when they learn about those histories, and so we do have to kind of come at those a little bit differently, just because that's that's our own history and our own people. So I think it can be easier to confront in in some ways because they already have that indigenous perspective, but can be harder to confront in other ways because that's that's our own people's experiences.

Delina 23:20

Right. How do you answer people who say oh, my child is too sensitive, people who not?

Speaker 3 23:26

are not indigenous.

Delina 23:28

My child is too sensitive. She can't learn this or he can't learn that. You know our children don't have a choice about these things.

Kelly 23:38

Right, you know, I tell people all the time. You know, if you're, if my five year old can experience racism, your, your five year old, can learn about it. You know, and my kids have been experiencing racism their whole lives. I was starting at those young ages and we understood it. I mean, we didn't understand why, but we understood what it was. You know, and so you know if, if our kids can experience those things, they don't get a choice in having this idea of an innocent childhood. You know the other kids. They can learn about these things too. There are ways to do it that make it understandable at young ages, that make it um digestible at young ages.

Delina 24:25

You know, and you don't have to tell them everything right with with really young kids.

Kelly 24:30

I think it really leads to a lot of empathy and a lot of um desire to change, you know, desire like I want to help fix that with younger kids. And so it's not harmful to non-native kids to learn about these things. It's really not. It's reality. And in the same ways that we can teach young kids other realities like you know, there's adults out there that want to, that might want to harm you and here's how to stay safe. Right, you know we can teach them those realities, so then we can also teach them the realities of heart, history and racism.

Delina 25:07

Right, okay, so why do you think that it's important? You alluded to it a little bit just now in that answer. But why do you think it's important what children are taught? Now you know it seems like an obvious question, right, but how have? How has that miseducation and that under? You said miseducation and undereducation, right? How have those two things contributed to what we see?

Kelly 25:51

no-transcript. Eighty seven percent of textbooks don't mention us past 1900 and 90 percent of the materials taught about us are over 90%, really. Um of the materials taught about us are written by non-natives. Um, most of what is taught is short and simplistic, um and full of myths, inaccuracies and stereotypes. The western um perspectives, eurocentric perspectives, dominate, and most of this is never corrected in college, because those perspectives and issues exist in college too. You can go kindergarten through college in the United States and receive a total scholarship of two semesters of instruction about native peoples, and most of it's wrong, and unless you specifically seek out native studies in college, that's not going to get corrected.

Delina 26:33

Um but that seems like a lot, a total of two. That seems like from kindergarten to college, though no, no, I'm saying that seems like you're being generous, I mean I it might.

Kelly 26:47

It might be, it might be generous in some places, um, because really I mean you get a few paragraphs here and there in textbooks over the years and put it all together Maybe it adds up to about that much, but it's not much. Yeah, it's not, um, but the education gap on this subject leads to, you know, ignorance. It leads to racism. It leads to violence. It directly impacts Native people and how we're treated by non-Natives. It has a real world impact, from social interactions to policies and laws that affect us and harm us.

Kelly 27:20

Most judges in the United States don't ever learn federal Indian law at all. Federal judges don't ever learn federal Indian law. Most politicians don't ever learn federal Indian law at all. Federal judges don't ever learn federal Indian law. Most politicians don't ever learn federal Indian law or treaties or sovereignty. If you don't know treaties and sovereignty, you don't know US history, right, and most people in the United States government never learn that, and they're the ones that are in charge of upholding those treaties right, and they don't even ever learn about them. Most people in Congress don't even know what sovereignty means when it comes to Native nations, and so most statistics don't even include us right. During the election there was that something else thing, the CNN poll, something else. So there's this whole Native pop culture thing about being something else, and it got really funny. But you know that most don't even include us, right? Sometimes official paperwork and documentation doesn't even have a category for us, and so then when people are filling out paperwork not us but like other people about us we'll get mischaracterized as, miscategorized, as like Latino, black, white or Asian right, depending on. You know how some people look, right, and that also impacts any statistics as well.

Kelly 28:30

But you know, in the United States today, native people were the most likely race to be killed by the police. There's the missing and murdered Indigenous women epidemic that a lot of people don't know about. We have some of the highest rates of sexual assault against us. There's major health disparities and racism in health care. Against us there's the suicide epidemics that are a direct result of what's going on, of how we're treated, of colonization, all those things. Issues of poverty and unemployment again direct result of colonization and ongoing genocide, and how society treats us and sees us. Issues of religious rights and civil rights, which I touched on a few of those things already, but that all goes into the issues that we face and I don't know, a lot of people don't even realize that there's actually a pipeline issue going on right now in Minnesota line three right People are trying to get the attention that Standing Rock had and it's not getting that attention. But that's going on right now still, you know.

Kelly 29:27

And so this is all not because we're passive recipients of history, but that's all you know, a direct result of how we are treated by society, how we're seen by society, and that all comes from that uneducation and miseducation, you know. And so it also causes, you know, harmful social interactions among children. Other kids treat my kids badly because of what they've been taught about Native people, what they see in the textbooks. You know I had a friend when my kids were little, that her kids were watching Peter Pan and then she saw the, the whole, um, the, what made the red man red thing came up and that I mean that's horribly racist, that movie is horribly racist. And her kids, um, said something about like, are Indians real? And she said, yeah, well, we have, we have native friends. And she tried to tell, tell them about my kids and us. You know, you're, you're friends with native kids. And they said, well, are they going to kill us, and she had no idea the impact that not only peter pan, but all these things that our kids have could been seen in society and exposed to were having that kind of impact on her kids. And so she came to me frantic like I don't know how to correct this. I didn't even know this was happening. Um, and that's and that common.

Influence of Media on US Society

Kelly 30:48

Most people in the United States don't even realize that they're being confronted with negative views and stereotypes of Native people on a daily basis that are leading to kids developing all these internalized ideas about Native people. That then impacts how they treat us, and so it affects how kids treat each other. My kids have been racially bullied by kids of their age as early as five years old, you know. So one of the major ways to combat this is through education, right, and these narratives need to be corrected and our voices need to be heard. It's vital to not only how we see history, but also to, you know, culturally responsive education that listens to Native voices and promotes understanding and respect, and that's really important, especially for kids to start learning because, like I said, they're confronted with all these stereotypes about Native people on a regular basis and most people don't even realize it, and that does negatively impact us, us and so, um you know, correcting this and addressing this through education is really vital to um cultural understanding and respect between people as well.

Delina 32:01

Well, where do you think they get it? Like kids as young as five, six, um.

Kelly 32:06

You mentioned peter pan, but cartoons um books, books, uh, chapter books and story books kids love to read that are really popular. Um textbooks, school curriculum, um cartoons, of course, um sports and the mascot shoe, um it's, it's all over the place, it's, it's infused throughout US society without people realizing it.

Delina 32:31

Yeah, let's leave it there for now. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with educator Kelly Tudor. We will continue with this conversation in part two coming up in episode seven. In the meantime, check out the show notes for links to things mentioned in this interview.

Speaker 3 32:48

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