#2: Managing the Motherhood Multiverse with Logistics Expert, Jessica Windham
Mar 21, 2024Season 1Episode 2
Alishea Jurado / Jessica Windham
In this episode of the Motherhood Found podcast, I dive into a transformative conversation with Jessica Windham, a logistics expert and my good friend, to explore the parallels between logistics management and Motherhood.
We unpack the concept of the "Doom Loop" – a cycle of expectation, disruption, and stress – and its impact on mothers, highlighting how strategies from the logistics industry can empower mothers to navigate their unique challenges. The discussion centers on the power of prioritization, aligning actions with core values, and efficiently managing the overwhelming influx of daily inputs.
Jessica shares actionable insights on building resilience, creating systems to manage the "multiverse of inputs" in Motherhood, and the importance of acknowledging personal limits to foster mental and emotional clarity.
This episode is a masterclass in transforming logistical wisdom into practical, everyday strategies to reduce overwhelm and reclaim a sense of self amidst the chaos of Motherhood.
In this episode of the Motherhood Found podcast, I dive into a transformative conversation with Jessica Windham, a logistics expert and my good friend, to explore the parallels between logistics management and Motherhood.
We unpack the concept of the "Doom Loop" – a cycle of expectation, disruption, and stress – and its impact on mothers, highlighting how strategies from the logistics industry can empower mothers to navigate their unique challenges. The discussion centers on the power of prioritization, aligning actions with core values, and efficiently managing the overwhelming influx of daily inputs.
Jessica shares actionable insights on building resilience, creating systems to manage the "multiverse of inputs" in Motherhood, and the importance of acknowledging personal limits to foster mental and emotional clarity.
This episode is a masterclass in transforming logistical wisdom into practical, everyday strategies to reduce overwhelm and reclaim a sense of self amidst the chaos of Motherhood.
Alishea's Debut Book of Motherhood Poems, We Are the Magic, is scheduled for release Mother's Day, 2024.
Jessica:
I might talk about logistics, but what I'm really talking about are people. And I don't know if you know this, but mothers are people too.
Alishea:
They're not machines? They're not superheroes? They're just people?
Jessica:
They're just people. And spoiler alert, that's enough.
Welcome to the Motherhood Found podcast. Each episode is a journey back to self, blending research based strategies with a little bit of woo. I'm Alishea, your host, and I'm here to help you reclaim a sense of alignment, reignite that creative spark, and get you the soul care you've been missing. I'm also here to remind you that you are the magic, and mama, this podcast is for you.
Alishea:
Hi mamas! Today I'm chatting with Jessica Windham from Solving Work. Her LinkedIn profile claims she is a logistics badass and that about tells you everything you need to know. Just runs a logistics consulting firm, where she helps empower leaders and teams to identify all of the inputs they manage and then create really efficient processes that help support the company's mission and vision and build a strong team dynamics. So, why have a consultant for logistics companies on a podcast about Motherhood? Well, if there is one underappreciated and under recognized industry that could definitely use some help solving work, it's Motherhood. In this episode, we'll talk a little bit about the logistics doom loop that Jess has identified and how we can relate it to Motherhood. Then we'll talk about how to reduce some of our mental load with prioritization that aligns with our family values. And then finally, we'll talk about some ways to more easily inventory and manage all of the inputs that come our way in an effort to reduce some of the dysregulation that we can experience throughout Motherhood I'm so grateful to have Jess's wisdom and overall awesomeness on the podcast. She is a great friend, the kind that shows up for you, remembers important events and dates, and keeps you accountable to what you said you would do for your soul care. Jess, welcome to the show.
Jessica:
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.
Alishea:
So talk to us about the Doom Loop. Every time I hear you talk about the Doom Loop, I always tell you right after that it applies so much to Motherhood.
Jessica:
So the logistics Doom Loop or Doom Loop in general is this cycle that we all find ourselves in and what it leads to is burnout and hopelessness. So I think that's where the intersection between logistics and Motherhood is strong. So we all start out with this outsized expectation of what we can get done. And we make a plan and we are on the path to achieving that plan and a disruption hits. For us in logistics, that's a supply chain disruption, like COVID or something like that, which was certainly a Motherhood disruption. And we go all hands on deck. We have to figure out how to get ourselves out of that. Once we finally kind of get things under control, we kind of have a freak out when we realize how far behind we are on the original goals that we set. So then we go ahead and make another plan and we're like, okay, but now I'm going to achieve my goals. And then by the time you get the plan just right, the next supply chain disruption hits or the next disruption hits in Motherhood. And we just get further and further behind. And that's what leads us to the hopelessness feeling. And in, in logistics, I talk about this in terms of burnout and needing to just get a new patch of grass. In Motherhood, there is no new patch of grass. You're always in a season and you know, finding a way to disrupt the Doom Loop instead of being disrupted by it is really the key to mental and emotional clarity in what you're trying to do.
Alishea:
I love the way that you say that we sometimes maybe early in our Motherhood, maybe whatever stage we are actually in our Motherhood, we have this idea that there's going to be a time that if we can just get there, it'll be easier and that there will be less disruption or we'll be more equipped to deal with that moment, but what I love about the Doom Loop is there is always a disruption pending. Now we can talk about, how we actually get ourselves in a place where we can deal with these disruptions.
Jessica:
Yeah. There is no escaping this loop. It is life. I might talk about logistics, but what I'm really talking about are people. And I don't know if you know this, but mothers are people too.
Alishea:
They're not machines? They're not superheroes? They're just people?
Jessica:
They're just people. And spoiler alert, that's enough. But if we ignore reality, we can't change reality. If we are wishing that this wasn't our reality, this wasn't what was happening, instead of just facing it head on and acknowledging it for what it is, which is incredibly difficult.
Alishea:
That's, That's the permission we need. So we talked about disruptions happening all the time. And in Motherhood, these are the things that just feel like chaos. We can't actually change the fact that there are going to be disruptions, that there's going to be a level of chaos. So what do we have the capacity to change that can actually disrupt the Doom Loop itself? That can actually take us off this vicious cycle that you were talking about, about just like feeling like we're not doing enough and feeling like, we're overwhelmed with the chaos that is inevitable.
Jessica:
So resilience is what takes you out of that pattern. Having the bandwidth to deal with what comes your way, that is what resilience looks like in real life. It's not a buzzword. It's very buzzy wordy right now. Everyone wants to talk about resilience, resilience, resilience. Resilience is just having the bandwidth to deal with what comes. In my industry, this starts with getting your personal stuff together with the leader of the department of the group of the organization, getting their personal stuff together. The first step in getting your personal stuff together is. is releasing this idea, this belief that we can get it all done. You cannot. Full stop. It is not possible. Once we accept this, then we can get to prioritizing. Then we get to start setting balls down instead of dropping then, even if we're accomplishing the same amount of stuff, we get to approach it with so much more mental and emotional clarity. So much more regulated that we get to feel like we are a good leader, like we are a good mom. And we deserve to feel that way.
Alishea:
I love hearing you talk about this because really the framing is, we're not solving anything. We're not making a grand solution to, to the challenges of Motherhood, to the challenges of logistics. For you, for Solving Work, the solution is actually building enough resiliency to be able to manage the disruptions with more ease than you would otherwise. And I think that's really important. Some of the strategies that we have, they deal with how to regulate yourself, in the chaos. A script to use in the chaos. A way to connect with your body in the chaos. But the real way that we actually find more calm during the chaos is by the resiliency we build outside of the chaos. That's what we're talking about, right?
Jessica:
How you feel in the moment and how, how easy it is to, access those tips and tricks and scripts when you have chosen your current position when you feel like you have some agency, that just changes everything and here I have this belief it's not about whether or not inherently you are enough or you know what you're doing. You are enough and no one knows what they're doing. It is about having choice in it and once we are doing that, once we are in choice, we are in so much more alignment to to who we are as people, who we are as leaders, who, who we may be as mothers. And that allows us to be present in the moment that allows us to be all that we are and that is all we need.
You know, being at choice is a phrase that I think is really important to highlight here because in motherhood, sometimes we find ourselves out of choice and that's actually pretty often. That really can cause some of the misalignment that we feel. The choices that we make for ourselves sometimes end up being the last of our considerations. Okay. So I know we acknowledged that continual disruptions are the name of the game and that resiliency, which is having the bandwidth to meet those disruptions with more ease is our goal and will give us more agency in a moment of chaos, um, because we'll be at choice with our actions and intentions. So let's talk about prioritization because that is what you offer as the way in which we build resiliency. When we hear prioritization, we think of placing things in order of importance. And that can sometimes be hard. I feel like I have a hard time understanding what's the most important when everything seems very equal to me in Motherhood. So, what does prioritization actually mean to you in logistics? And then how do you see it relating to Motherhood?
Jessica:
Okay. So I believe that prioritization is all about trying to do the right work at the right time with the mental and emotional clarity to do it well. So we're going to get the same volume of work done in a given day, but we can feel very differently about this. So the difference between setting the ball down and dropping it, and I don't believe in giving tips and tricks for prioritization because this is so personal. This is about knowing and living your values and releasing intentionally. This is something I've seen you do so well. When we talked about releasing activities to spend more time in community. It's not easy. None of this is easy. It is simple. It's going to sound simple, but it requires honestly some soul work to find out what are the roles that you play that are important. What are the values that are most important in this season? All of this is subject to change, but selecting those things and then making decisions based on those things allows you to show up with the mental and emotional clarity to do your job well, whether that's being a logistician, a leader, or a mother, which is honestly both of those things.
Alishea:
I so appreciate the connection that you just made to living your values. Because I think in Motherhood it gets very overwhelming and I think that is something that we aren't given enough strategies for, and enough, conversation around with families. It's like we work for these companies and we have strong missions and visions that we spend so much time creating and we have all stakeholder voice in it and then every decision we make, hopefully in that industry, in that work environment, is building toward that mission and vision and the mission and vision helps us answer whether or not we should start a new initiative, go in a new direction. But we don't do that with our families. Sometimes we're just like shifting through life, like, do we do this? Do we not do this? If you can identify what are your core values, then you can automate and that's taking away some of the mental load of the decision making. So I'll just speak briefly about the activities versus community swap that you mentioned. Just a few months ago, Javi and I actually sat down to go over our core values. We had never done that before. Um, and our children are seven and four. Two of the main core values that came out of that conversation, where peace and community. And once we identified those, we realized that we were designing our lives in a way that kind of pulled us from those core values. We realized that we had to cut a lot of the afterschool activities because they were outside of our community and we were driving so much all afternoon and in traffic and they weren't contributing to either peace or community. So cutting the activities became less about us not providing these amazing activities and opportunities for our kids, but more about choosing to be at peace and to be in our community and to allow for a little more spontaneity of our days. And so I love that you're saying that it is really helpful to know your core values in order to know how to prioritize because it makes all the difference.
Jessica:
And so many of us have had the opportunity to work in organizations that don't have good mission, vision, values. But if you're ever lucky enough to be in an organization that does have that, you will feel the difference from the second you walk in the door. And that is what you can do for your family as well, right? And maybe this is a future podcast episode for you, Ali, is how do we get closer to that core value conversation? Not just once, right? This is something that we circle back to time and again to ensure that we're living authentically. That we're living the lives we intend to live because our time here is so short and certainly the time that you have with your children.
Alishea:
So, when we talk about prioritization, I know that that leads you to, usually talking about inputs and you have this phrase about your universe of inputs. Can you explain what you mean when you say universe of inputs?
Jessica:
Yes, so of course there's the prioritization on the value level, but then there's the day to day, like what the heck do we actually do? And in order to prioritize, you have to know all the things you need to prioritize, i. e. you need your universe of inputs, and you need your universe of inputs in a single place so that you can then make decisions from the value framework that we just discussed right without getting everything into one place, you're doing two things. First off, you're going to prioritize and get knocked off task too often because you are left without an input. You're left without PJ day on the calendar, you're left without a hundred days of school, you're left without all of these things that are so joyful for the children and so hard for the parents. You need to get them all into one. And honestly, I don't care where that is. Pen and paper, your Google Calendar, maybe Asana or Trello if you're into the task management software, but it needs to be in one spot.
Alishea:
Okay, so I, first of all, I love that those examples that you used are directly from our conversation, so for pointing to my forgetting PJ day, dropped that input. So when you're talking about the universe of inputs you're just basically talking about absolutely everything that's coming into us that we have to remember and we have to take action on and I want to challenge universe and say that in Motherhood it's a multiverse of inputs that we actually have. So we're talking about the multiverse of inputs here. And we're really talking about all the chats, all the emails, all the requests, all the reminders, all the texts, everything coming our way. I'm so organized and I don't know how to manage all of these inputs in today's world. So we have all these things coming to us from all different places. In all different times of the day that are out of our control, How can you help us here? What can we do?
Jessica:
Yeah. No, I'm with you on that. And the other thing is you're doing it in what we call weird time, right? You're at the, you're at the stoplight and you see the message or you're in line at the grocery store. Okay, now it's time to pay. So one of the things when we were having this conversation just about you and your personal life, I was like, take a screenshot. In the moment, the thing that you need to get into the place where you keep all your inputs, right? The ask of being at the red light, seeing the notification, and then getting it into your, planner might be too much. But maybe what I could do is screen snip that on the phone and then at the end of the day, let's go through our photo roll and let's handle those in a moment of clarity where we can put it where we need to put it. This is a simple thing that's going to be very hard to do, but if we are consistent in our process of taking our screenshots, making sure they get where they need to go. We can know that we are making our choices. We can know that we have everything.
Alishea:
So let's break this down again. In order to know really what we want to prioritize and to help reduce some of the mental load is our core values. Once we've identified our core values, and those can be simple, and if you want pick one, don't worry about making a list, just pick one to start, because sometimes an entry point for these things is the hardest part. So just pick one core value that's going to guide the answers to the questions that come in. And then the next thing is managing your inputs. So before you can manage inputs, you have to know your inputs. So you usually, I know, sit down with people and go through, like, where is all your information coming from? So it's us taking a second. And when I did this with you, I really realized most of my inputs are on the phone and then I realized that there are other inputs that aren't on the phone That are actually those more important inputs which are the body language of my child, right? That's not a verbal input, but that's input I'm getting all the time. Like, this ability to be in connection with my kids, to be in intuition, deep empathy with my kids, those are the inputs that I want to be focusing on, right? Like, I want to be in tune to them. And what happens sometimes when we have so many inputs coming our way is that those are the ones we're choosing to put down. So I love the strategy you've given us, once you identify all your inputs, they do in the end need to be in one place.
Jessica:
Yes. Exactly.
Alishea:
Pen or paper. Google Calendar. If in your job you already use project management software- whatever works for you, having a place at the end of the day where all the inputs that you don't want to be keeping in your head live, that's the goal. Is that correct?
Jessica:
Correct. And look, I say this all the time. You are only one person. You are not a personal person and a work person. You're just one person. So there's overlap here. So don't be afraid to integrate your systems at work with your systems at home. Because look, you are a mom 24 hours a day. You don't put that ball down from eight to five and you're allowed to have a reminder in your workplace of the things you need to do for your family because you are one person.
Alishea:
I love it. This is what I love. I love these conversations so much. So the easy strategy is take the screenshot. The next step. is understanding that we have to build a habit. I'm going to set a timer for that and I'm going to go through all my screenshots. So that's like the new process you helped me with. So I don't have to worry about it in the moment. I'm going to screenshot it and I know when the timer goes off at nine o'clock, I'm going through my screenshots and everything that was there is going on to my Trello. For you, that might be your planner, that might be your Google Calendar, wherever you write things down, we're getting the inputs and we're putting them in the one place.
Jessica:
And you know what this, this reminds me of, and we've talked about this too, is the toggle tax. When you do this, when you get your screenshot and you process it later, you are batching that task. The advantage of batching your tasks means that you are not having to change focus constantly from maybe listening to your kid to remembering. Listening to your child to, oh, I gotta get this in Asana. The act of changing, like, like Dr. Britta told us, we cannot multitask. So every time we change focus, it takes your brain 10 minutes to move into the new task. So I talk about this a lot in my work. The average person checks their email like 60 times an hour. One time every minute, they're going in and out of their email. When you do that, you are literally never focused. You are never set up to do your work well because you have never committed. And this comes back to why is this stuff so hard? It's hard because your brain hasn't had the time to adjust, which is why when we set the timer for 10 minutes, and then we're like, oh man, I'm in flow. Like, this is great- you've just given your brain the chance to focus on a single thing for 10 minutes. And so now your brain is like happy it's in the moment. And I think Dr. Britta also talked about this- every time you switch. Every single time you switch, you are paying the toggle tax. So you are losing, you're depleting your resource, and you are limiting your ability to focus. Which is why when we batch this task, when we set it for later, we put ourselves at so much more of an advantage in doing that work well later and being present. to what's happening in the moment.
Alishea:
So important. I love the phrase toggle tax. I used to work right up until the end of the day, close my computer, jump into the car, I'd call it my mobile office, then I told you, I realized I started driving a toggle taxi, which is basically I'm driving safe and then I'm at a stoplight, and I will take a second to finish off that text because I'm trying so hard to get everything done so that I can be present with the kids. But that toggling is actually not allowing me to have the presence that I want to have with the kids once we get home. It's actually making me more frantic. It's actually making me more dysregulated because all I'm doing is toggling. When I probably would have been better served listening to some peaceful music. And so I've really been really cognizant of the toggle taxi since we spoke. And it has really made a difference. And it's what you said. I find other ways to do that work that I need to do before the day is done. They're just in moments that pair much better, because I find random 10 minutes my way, and then, oh, this is a good time to do that task, and I can do it with focus, versus in the car, versus on the phone, it's just a change in design.
Jessica:
Yeah, and I would say, just like whether or not we get the same amount of work done. Setting the ball down versus dropping it feels different when we acknowledge that we do not have the time to get into flow to give ourselves the 10 minutes to toggle into what we're doing. And we just acknowledge that this is going to be harder than it normally is. This is going to take more, deplete more resources, then we can just feel better about doing it. So often, as a woman, I feel this, and I think you've talked about this as a mom, is that we're just in judgment. The inner critic of, we should be able to do this better in this moment. I should be able to cook this meal, listen to my child, and do the third thing that I'm probably doing. And then they go, no, no, no, no. I'm not actually doing any one of these things. I'm continually shifting from one to the other and giving myself the grace to understand that I'm doing a hard thing. That's why it feels hard.
Alishea:
And I think just continuing to talk about the fact that there are just limitations and having to be intentional about what we're prioritizing. It just changes everything. And I think especially in moments where you do have something that is demanded of you by a schedule, let's say there is something that you need to finish from work, what I find is that I can be present with my family, but my mind will quickly find itself brainstorming and trying to get some of the mental work done and then when one of my children talked to me or my husband asks me a question, I'm so overwhelmed because I got myself in this like deep brain thought, and so I've had to really take a step back and in moments where I'm present with my family, not just put my phone away, not just do those external releasing of inputs, but in my own mind, I have had to make it a habit to say, Oh, I can't follow that train of thought right now. I can't do that, like that's going to get me too deep in a thought. So it's even, some of that toggling that isn't as visible that we can be aware of in our days and in our time with our family, so that we can be fully present.
Jessica:
And look, that's okay. You acknowledge that there's a thought and you circle back to your intention. Like this is the practice of meditation in the real world. Like circle back to the intention. And then that's it.
Alishea:
And let's just talk about that really quickly. Cause I would love anyone listening to hear that is that, what we've come to learn about meditation is that it's not this idea maybe we grew up with that your mind is clear and you're just in tune and with one. It's like, no, your brain is a thinking machine. It's not about avoiding the thoughts that come in. It's just about as the thoughts come in, centering yourself back to whatever your intention is for the meditation. And so the more you do that, the stronger your practice is, the quicker you'll be able to come back to your intention. And so I've heard you relate that as a metaphor to so many things. And I really love it here. This idea that we're not going to clear the chaos. What we're doing is, again, building our resiliency so that when we are in the chaos, we come back to our intention a lot more quickly, and with a little more clarity. So that, that's really beautiful. I love that you brought that, to us. Okay, so, bring it all home for us. How does prioritization help us reclaim alignment and return to ourselves?
Jessica:
There are a lot of benefits of prioritization, but I think the number one benefit is the mental and emotional clarity that you are going to get by outsourcing this mental load. And I know you talk a lot about the mental load of Motherhood, and there are untold benefits here. First, you get to be more present. Second, you get to make more choices, right? If you have the universe of inputs, then you are choosing your choice and nothing is being well less is being forced onto you. The other thing is this ability to not only outsource the mental load of holding all of the to dos in here, if everything is in one place, then there is a central repository for all parenting partners, for your whole village to access, to take things off of the plate.
Alishea:
So there's outsourcing to another person, somebody that we can, that can help us and our universe of inputs will allow us to be able to have that conversation easily versus like, what could you help me with? I don't know. I have so many things going on. I don't know where to start. You can just more easily outsource that. But then it's also we're outsourcing to a tool or a technology, the task of remembering all of our inputs. We're outsourcing that, because we cannot keep it in our mind. So by outsourcing the task of remembering to our planner or to our technology, we are reducing the mental load that we feel often. We're building up that resiliency that is going to help us when the next disruption hits the Doom Loop. So, we started the podcast by saying there are always going to be disruptions and we started the podcast by saying in Motherhood that's what we often feel like as chaos and the state of dysregulation. And I think the case can be made that if we can build up that resiliency with some of what you talked about here- the personal processes, the multiverse of inputs for, for mothers, then those disruptions, they're not going to necessarily feel like chaos. They're going to feel like disruptions that we can manage and that don't derail us and that don't define us.
Jessica:
These processes give you the ability to have the bandwidth to lead through the disruption. To show up through the disruption so that it doesn't become chaos.
Alishea:
Yes. I'm just like feeling that statement. There are times and again, connecting to the podcast with Dr. Britta we were talking about how sometimes things that are easy seem very hard. And because it's a limited capacity system, some days you have more inputs than other days. So some days you don't have the bandwidth to nicely navigate, a situation that you did before. Even if it's like, you know, for me right now, what's top of my list is the sibling arguments. There's a lot of social emotional work that we're doing. They're at that age. They're, and I would say 80 percent of the time, they're just, playing, but then there's just always this eruption. And so some days I look back and I'm like, man, I, that was awesome. I rocked that as a mom. Like I allowed them to have the conversation they needed. And then the other day, maybe I started crying because I'm so overwhelmed, and I don't know which day I'm ever going to have it. And so I'm, I really am trying to work on coming to those moments more whole and coming to those moments with more resiliency and, One of the things we're really talking about in Motherhood Found is this idea of soul care versus self care. The soul care is about releasing as much as we can so that we can be more expansive in who we are and so these practical strategies of how to clear some of this mental load is a form of soul care, really, it's like putting some sacred structure to what we need in order to thrive and expand, and that is so needed in Motherhood.
Jessica:
And like, bubble baths aren't gonna do it. That's, it's a nice thing, but like, that doesn't do anything. And I think that there's something interesting here of, leveraging the masculine to release or unleash the feminine, like sacred process to be able to tap into your magic as a mother, like those things kind of go hand in hand.
Alishea:
I love that. And just to clarify for everyone when we're talking about the masculine and feminine here, we're talking about energies. No gender association that we're really talking about masculine feminine energies yin yang kind of idea and concept. And I'm so excited you brought that up because, we're going to have Dr. Rameet on the podcast and she's going to be talking to us a lot about this balance of energy. So I love that you connected it here, a sacred process, sacred structure so that we can be more in our intuition, in our deep empathy. Oh Jess, I can't thank you enough. These tips are incredibly insightful. I I know so many mothers listening are going to come away with just a step or two, whether it's, you know what, I want to focus on just identifying our family's core values, or I realize I have a multiverse of inputs and I have nowhere they all go, and so they go back into the multiverse. Whatever it is, I know this podcast is going to help a lot of moms get some peace. So thank you again. Where can people find you? What kind of conversations can they have with you?
Jessica:
So you can find me on LinkedIn. Very active there. I post content. I, host live, webinars. I do a lot of work with people working on their personal processes, your team processes, your dynamics, your mission, vision, values and then working on what do we need to bring in, to the overall goal whether that's technology or process or outsourcing something. I help them, but obviously these things are so transferable because it's all people first. But please find me on LinkedIn. I would love to continue the conversation on certainly personal processes, but anything that's sort of struck your fancy.
Alishea:
Thank you so much and look forward to having you back on the podcast of the future.
Jessica:
Can't wait.
Alishea:
Thank you all for being here for our second episode of the Motherhood Found podcast. It's such a gift to be on this journey of wholeness and expansion together. Please visit me anytime on Instagram and let me know what you think of the episode and where you are with your journey. The account is linked in the show notes. You can also search Motherhood Found and you'll find me. Make sure to follow so you don't miss our next episode with Dr. Rameet Singh. It's all about how we have energetically over masculinized, our Motherhood and how this can also attribute to the misalignment that we feel. And then how to invite the Divine Feminine back into our Motherhood. I'm wishing you the most incredible rest of the week, Mama. See you next time.