How must we Christians educate our children amidst an idolatrous culture? Christianly, of course, but what does this really mean? Has that adjective become a useless platitude? It doesn't have to be.
Our latest episode for the St. Brendan's Podcast is the first installment as we try to answer the question, "What is a Christian education?"
Principle #1 registers loud and clear: Christian education must pour a Christian foundation. Your children will either worship the creature or they will worship the Creator. They will either fear God or they will fear man. They will either follow God's law or they will follow man's law. They are either for Christ or against him–there is no middle ground.
Join us, Pastor Eric Conn and Headmaster Kevin Love, as we discuss the importance of pouring this Christian foundation.
P.S. if you haven't already, make sure you sign up for the New Christendom Press Conference in June 2024. See you there!
P.P.S. join us over on Patreon if you're looking for more resources as well as community with other like-minded parents.
How must we Christians educate our children amidst an idolatrous culture? Christianly, of course, but what does this really mean? Has that adjective become a useless platitude? It doesn't have to be.
Our latest episode for the St. Brendan's Podcast is the first installment as we try to answer the question, "What is a Christian education?"
Principle #1 registers loud and clear: Christian education must pour a Christian foundation. Your children will either worship the creature or they will worship the Creator. They will either fear God or they will fear man. They will either follow God's law or they will follow man's law. They are either for Christ or against him–there is no middle ground.
Join us, Pastor Eric Conn and Headmaster Kevin Love, as we discuss the importance of pouring this Christian foundation.
P.S. if you haven't already, make sure you sign up for the New Christendom Press Conference in June 2024. See you there!
P.P.S. join us over on Patreon if you're looking for more resources as well as community with other like-minded parents.
I am as sure as I am of Christ's reign that a comprehensive and centralized system of national education separated from religion, as is now commonly proposed, will prove the most appalling engine read for the propagation of anti-Christian and atheistic unbelief and of anti-social, nihilistic ethics individual, social and political which the sin-rent world has never seen. Quoted in 1887 from A A Hodge principal of Princeton Seminary. Think about when he said these prophetic words. The world was much different back then. Again, it reminds us of Proverbs 2.6, for the Lord gives wisdom. From his mouth come knowledge and understanding. If you are firmly rooted in the word of God, meditating on it daily, you will receive wisdom from above. To read the writing on the wall. All this to say, hodge was right the public schools have become the chief engine for catechizing the next generation into the world's image. But why was he right? What did he understand about Christian education that others did not? I think he rightly understood that the very nature of education requires that we teach the disciple to worship and serve one God or another. This, then, is one of those not whether, but which conversations. It's not whether a discipling body like a school will worship some god, but rather which god will they serve? Which god will they teach your children to serve? Make no mistake, the god of secular humanism is worshipped in these schools. It affects their curriculum choices, their hiring practices, their codes of conduct and their discipline processes. In due time, this leaven works its way throughout the whole dough, including the students themselves. Sure, you might truthfully object that you know Christian teachers faithfully serving in a public school environment. But if they do, they do so as missionaries, as strangers in exiles in a foreign land. The system itself is still set up to serve the god of that system, in this case the god of secular humanism, In a sick and twisted way.
Speaker 1:As Dr Ben Merkle has observed, our enemies are the demonically distorted version of the post-millennial and paedobaptist. Why? Because they believe both the future and the children belong to them. But we know this isn't true. At the very least, it doesn't have to be true for your children. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. God requires of me that I give my children the paideia and euthysia of the Lord In every aspect of our family life. We are teaching our children to love the Lord with all our heart, all our soul and all our might, as we see in Deuteronomy 6.5. We ought to teach this diligently to our children, talking to them when we sit in the house, when we walk by the way, when we lie down and when we rise. In other words, this instruction is all-encompassing, as we teach them to serve the one true and living God. This is the education your God requires for the children of His kingdom.
Speaker 1:As Proverbs 22, 6 says, train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old. He will not depart from it. Remember that in this season, we are trying to lay out not just the problems or the demons lurking in the shadows, but also what we need to do about them. We can't just be critical and play Monday morning quarterback. We can't just tear down, but instead we need to build up a positive vision for what a Christian education must look like. So with each of the next seven episodes, we want to equip you with a framework for understanding the kind of education that God requires from Christian parents. What is it? What is it for? What does it encompass? What are the left and right limits of a Christian education? What makes our child's education Christian in the first place? In other words, how should I think through this and what should I prioritize for my own children? Welcome to the St Brendan's Podcast, where we exist to equip you with rigorous, practicable and affordable Christian education for many generations to come.
Speaker 3:Well, welcome to this episode of the St Brennan's Podcast. My name is Eric Kahn, a pastor here at Refuge Church, joined by the one and only headmaster and pastor, kevin Love. Welcome, kevin, to this episode number two. Glad to be here, kevin. I really was intrigued by the cold open in AA Hodge. As I was reading these quotes some years ago, it really struck me that, you know, I grew up like many people in the public school system Me too and I remember thinking just like this is the air we breathe, we don't even question it. No, there was never another alternative. This just seemed like the world, and so I remember the first time I read comments like that from older theologians, I was like wait, what? Yeah, it's a real, like red pill shocking kind of moment, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's one of those things. It's like the fish who's swimming around in the water doesn't realize that it's wet. Yeah, oh, yeah, Right. So so for us, I mean, I, I honestly still to this day will find myself kind of uncomfortable sometimes with with saying certain things that should be totally okay to say, because I was California educated, yeah, Right, In the public schools, in the government schools, and so you get so catechized, so used to the way they move, they talk, they breathe, all of that that you don't question it growing up. But now you're looking back having to rework a lot of this right.
Speaker 1:So this is kind of where it gets into, in a way, the thesis for this whole season, which is the public schools have become the chief engine and that's kind of taking that language from Hodge right have become the chief engine for catechizing the next generation into the world's image.
Speaker 1:Just to be completely honest, as I'm thinking through this right, we have at least in our listeners we have homeschool, we have private school, we have private school aspiring right. People who maybe are homeschooling right now want to do a private school in the future. I honestly, as I think about the methods especially, this is important to me in this first season, the methods are very much less important than us getting the principal right. Yeah, and the principal right in all of this is that we need to be able to link arms. All of us need to be able to link arms as Christians, specifically as Christians, to point to the public schools, to point to the government schools and say, absolutely not, we are not going to hand over our kids to be catechized again. The next generation. When we say the next generation, we're saying our generations.
Speaker 1:Those are our kids that the Lord has given us to steward, to raise in the fear and admonition of the Lord. We will not hand them over to the government to raise right. That's really the thesis for this whole season that we're trying to defend in the next seven episodes just recognizing that this is the evil of our day. This is the thing that we need to band together. Even if we don't agree on method, we need to be able to band together to fight against this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and a big part of it, Kevin, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's kind of like twofold, Like you have to oppose the enemy, you have to oppose the things that are going on that are bad, but then the other thing that we're doing is we're also building up something positive, giving people a positive and a hopeful vision. So it's really this question, I think, about covenant succession. If we believe the promises and we are working hard for our future generations, as you said, then we're not going to do the public school. We're going to have to put something positive forward as alternative for that. My question for you is some people might be asking why not just jump straight in to explain the St Brennan's model?
Speaker 1:To be completely honest, I'm tempted to right that's actually my natural instinct is just to put it out there as soon as possible. But I recognize that if we are later, as we're going to do, I mean inevitably we believe that this is the way forward, especially for us and for our community model, maybe with homeschooling, right, the good and the bad with homeschooling and then also even just your typical ACCS model. I don't want our listeners to be confused as though we're pointing to those things as the enemy. We're not Again. We're all linking arms and we're pointing away from us saying wait, that's not a Christian education over there. Homeschooling is still a Christian education, accs, your typical kind of like the expert lecture model. Those are our friends, right, those are not our enemies. So we want to be really clear about that upfront and we want to actually establish this baseline for all of us to agree to, where we can say what is a Christian education? What does it actually look like?
Speaker 1:When I was teaching on this at our church on education some months back I can't remember when it was now I gave this illustration of like if somebody came to our church for the first time and they're saying well, kind of, show me around the building.
Speaker 1:Well, I might walk them around out back. Hey, you should park here. And hey, when you come through here, here's the bathrooms. And hey, you're walking through the foyer. Maybe we're talking there for a little bit. I'm kind of showing you around the room in a way, right, but then we actually get into the sanctuary beautiful stained glass, all of that, right. In each of those moments, whether we were in the front of the church or in the church to the side of the church, I was still pointing to the church, to the thing itself, right? I like to use it as a picture of what we are going to be doing over the next really seven episodes where we're saying we're pointing to the thing that we call Christian education, even as we point away and say, wait, that's not Christian education. We have to point to the thing so that we can all be again just on the same page as we move forward in this discussion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's really helpful. So, as you start to define this, what you know in terms of fundamental problems that we're fighting and particularly that we're addressing in this episode, how would you define that?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I think the importance of today's discussion is and, to be completely honest, they're all important, right, I think these seven principles that we're going to lay out, they're all important, but this one is especially foundational. Again, we're told that the man who builds on the sand is going to have his house crumble. Right, because that's not a good foundation. Right, there are some things that are so foundational that if you lose that, I mean you've lost the whole thing entirely. So I think the problem that we get today, that we get to pin up and actually get to fight today, is that the public schools are, in a way, maybe even just intent. They are issuing PhDs in idolatry. Okay, so it's a little dramatic. I recognize that. That's what I like, though, kevin.
Speaker 3:That's my speed, it's the drama.
Speaker 1:But we noticed this that they are so intentional, in a way, of moving these children through this discipline process and I don't just mean that in the negative, like you know, like a spankings or something like that, but I mean more, in this intellectual, this paideia, this whole-souled formation into a certain image. They are training them to serve a specific God. They're raising up idols in our children's heart. What we have to recognize is that when you read the scripture even with just like a cursory read through of the scripture, we're going to notice that there is this clear antithesis where we see this dividing line going down the scriptures, where we are going to either worship and serve the creator or we're going to worship and serve the creature. Either worship and serve the creator or we're going to worship and serve the creature. We are going to fear God or we're going to fear man. We are going to obey God's law or, inevitably, we're going to elevate a man-made law.
Speaker 1:Even Jesus himself tells us you are either for me or against me. There's no in between right. It's not just rhetorical language. There is a reality to this, a spiritual reality, where you are on one side of this divide or the other. But this is the thing for us is the government. Schools, it seems like, are hell bent on falling on the wrong side of this dividing line. I mean, it doesn't take very much to picture this, that they are planting these spiritual seeds of idolatry in their students' hearts. They're training them to fear man.
Speaker 3:Well, it kind of reminds me, kevin, like we were listening to the clip in the last episode of the teacher, but that's just like a microcosm picture of a much broader issue where, at a very fundamental level, like she's definitely teaching the kids to disobey the fifth commandment. Yeah, like, don't honor your parents, that's number one. She's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not honoring their parents.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then you know, you think of all the other things that she was, you know LGBT style stuff that she's pushing and teaching. As you said, this is all about worship and idolatry. I think one of the maybe one of the myths that even I used to believe as a secular pagan type public school person, was that there was this concept of, like neutral yeah, it was a neutral sphere for education. Yeah, well, what you're saying is that that's really not how education works.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's not. And I don't know if you remember some of the follow on with the parents who are talking. I don't even know if we got to address that last time, but the parents who are kind of doing the debrief, like my child shouldn't be learning politics at school and all this stuff. Hey, actually you're wrong too, of course they're going to learn that.
Speaker 1:That's life Of course they're going to yeah, I mean, they're being raised in a paideia. It's going to tell you about everything for life, right? Even by not telling you something, even by telling you there's no real answer, like everybody can be right, we believe in relativism and we stand on that as our foundation. Even that is teaching them something. It's teaching them that they can't actually find true knowledge, right, that there is no right answer. That is teaching them something.
Speaker 3:Well, and that goes back to a fundamental principle as we think about and we talked about this last time too but Christian education has to pour this Christian foundation. I want to get your take on that. But one thought for me on this when you look back at, like the Greek classical education systems, you know when it was like you would attach yourself to a teacher, and so when Jesus says something like the student will become like the teacher. There was this idea that, like, if you're going to be taught by Aristotle, it's not just that you're going to learn philosophy, you're going to become like that man. And this is actually a fundamental principle really about how teaching and education works.
Speaker 1:It is discipleship and there's no way around that and we'll actually get into this in a later episode. But we were just reading through Quintilian, actually with your son in our rhetoric class, and Quintilian tells us that the most important thing that you're going to have in your teacher is character. Why? Because the student is going to say, hey, you're teaching me, I should emulate you, not just in the words that you speak, but in the way that you live. That's why character is the most important quality. You actually had to have a good man, and again, this goes back to Roman rhetoric as well. Right, you had to have the good man who speaks well, because it's that fundamental, that important.
Speaker 1:But yeah, let's go back to that principle. So if our problem, if the problem that we're facing today, is that public schools are, in a way, issuing PhDs in idolatry, the principle that we have to have, that we have to land on when we're thinking about what is a Christian education, what are my left and right limits? Principle number one says that a Christian education must pour a Christian foundation. In other words, if we are to peek behind the curtain, we will see very clearly that every education, every public school, every private school, every home school, every micro school, it doesn't matter. They are teaching their students to serve one God or another. Again, it's not whether they will serve a God, but again, which God are they going to serve?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's really helpful. And one of the points it seems like is you kind of unpack principle number one. Yeah, you're also going to have these elements of you know the creator or the creature, like what's worship there. Yes, so I guess, walk me through that and I would tie it too to something like even Francis Schaeffer was helpful on this Like he would say, even Marxism. It has a theory or a philosophy of creation, fall and redemption, but we have to recognize that they're all different between Marxism and, say, christianity. So why does this question of creator-creature matter?
Speaker 1:Well, I think that one. It stands out in my mind just even as I was preparing for today's podcast. It stands out in my mind, and I think for many people it does, because it's so particularly acute. So the verse is from Romans, chapter one, in verse 25. He says because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Again, it's painting this picture, this clear antithesis. You're either on the left side or the right side of this line. Those who do not worship the true and living God are going to elevate an idol into its place, into God's place. Sorry, that's the danger that our students run, especially in those supposedly neutral spheres. It's not neutral, right? When they say there's no gods. That's a lie, right? We just need to be honest about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and even if you take, like Romans, 1 25 in reverse, if you are worshiping the creature. You've already made the exchange right. You're not going to have truth. You've already made your choice. Yeah, you're going to have the lie, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. And so that's where I think just because of how particularly acute and specific that that versus. I think it's fairly obvious but we recognize that this is just bedrock, it's foundational. When you're educating your children, what are you teaching them to do? Well, you should, as a Christian, right. You are saying well, my very first duty is to glorify God and enjoy him forever. That's my main aim, that's my goal in life.
Speaker 1:All of that, and to do that, you need to teach them to serve the true and living God right. In other words, if you failed in every other detail imaginable, right, you didn't get them. You didn't do a very good job in the rhetoric stage and you didn't. You know your math, you're not great at math, and so you struggled to help them in math and you couldn't afford other help. And you didn't do great with history and literature. If you got every other detail of that wrong and yet you taught them, at the end of the day, to worship the true and living God and they lived that out faithfully by the Lord's grace, but they lived that out faithfully for the rest of their lives, you won, yeah, it's a win. You won right. Yeah, it's a win. You won right Again. We can get so caught up in the details sometimes that we again you're missing the forest for the trees sometimes, where you're looking at these very specific details and forgetting the fact that my biggest priority, lord willing, is that my children would be Christians.
Speaker 3:Yeah Right, no, I think that's really helpful. Christians yeah Right, no, I think that's really helpful. And another one to help evaluate education and what it's doing is this question is it helping them fear God or fear man? Yeah, it's always struck with me. Proverbs 1.7, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Right, schools despise wisdom and instruction. So if you approach education from a perspective of listen, I'm coming to education Number one. I reject the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yes, can you arrive at true knowledge? No, no. And this is really interesting too, because it doesn't say that you know, you work your way up to the fear of the Lord, but that the fear of the Lord is actually foundational bedrock again for knowledge in the first place. So, yeah, how can you say that you came to true knowledge when you are a Christ rejecter? Right, the very God who created all of the earth, the stars, the heavens, everything you are saying? Yeah, but I can interpret reality apart from that. God and his creation. Yeah, no, you can't.
Speaker 1:Then you're being foolish from day one, right? So of course it's going to affect how you do math and how you do science and all of that. We also have a. Again. It sticks out to me, I think, especially at the end of Ecclesiastes, you know. He's basically been saying vanity of vanities. All is vanity. I mean, even in a way, all of this wisdom has been vanity, right, because I'm going to die just like the next guy. I built up all this wealth for my kids, but I'm going to die. I'm going to have to hand it over to somebody else. That's a vanity too.
Speaker 1:He gets through all of that and just has a very sober analysis where he says and this is starting in verse 13 of chapter 12. He says the end of the matter, all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man, for God will bring every deed into judgment with every secret thing, whether good or evil. Again, he kind of boils it down for us. Okay, I understand you're stressing about this, you're stressing about that.
Speaker 1:Let me just boil it down. You ought to fear God and keep his commandments. In other words, you need to fear and love God, honor him and respect him and do as he has commanded you, as he has taught you, as he has trained you, as he has told you and as he has told you through your parents too. Right, that's a big part of this as Christians. But he boils it down for us Fear God, keep his commandments. So again, regardless of what curriculum you choose, regardless of what method you choose homeschool, private school this has to be our overarching aim that we would pour a Christian foundation in the fear of the Lord.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's so helpful. The next one, kevin, is God's law, or man's law, and what's being put forward in, we could say, the classroom, but in the education process. Sort of interesting here, because unless we train ourselves from scripture, that's not normally a category that we would think of as even part of education but it definitely is.
Speaker 1:I think we have to recognize and again, just as I'm thinking, through my California education, this hits home pretty hard. I was trained to fear what other men and women would think about me if I said a certain thing about them. So, for example, I mean even homosexuality, right, that was whoa, that's a big no-no. You're not allowed to talk against that in California, right? So there is a real fear. So this is fundamental to really everything we do. Can your children, at the end of the day, say with the apostles in Acts 5, we must obey God rather than men? They're being commanded not to preach and teach in Jesus's name. And they said, yeah, that's nice, but we need to obey God rather than men. It doesn't matter what you say at the end of the day, if this is what God has said, right, we need to be able to teach that resolve.
Speaker 1:One thing that's kind of more common in our circles, but maybe not in the general listeners who follow this podcast, is this clear antithesis between theonomy and autonomy, right? So, basically, breaking down those words, it just means God's law, or self-law, or man's law Theonomos, yeah, yeah. Theos. Nomos, yeah, yeah. So the law of God or the law of self or man's rule right. So you either have God's law or man's law. So when we say a thought or theonomy or autonomy, we're really saying that you have two choices in life. You are either going to follow God's law or you're going to elevate some man-made law and you're going to follow that right.
Speaker 3:Well, and I think that's so helpful because if you look at your kid's education whatever it is, whatever the method is, but certainly if people were coming out of public school and hopefully, kevin, we have lots of people in public school who listen to this and change their mind but if you are in that state, you can ask yourself a very simple question Are they teaching my kids to fear and love the law of the Lord or the law of self?
Speaker 1:Yeah, or some other law, right? I mean, there's.
Speaker 3:Please yourself, follow your heart, all that sorts of nonsense, which is pretty prevalent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If you were just to take basic commandments from God or even just basic teachings in the Bible, like even human sexuality, you know, can a child, you know, say that in a public school classroom and not get chastised for it, not be made to feel bad about himself and disciplined in accordance with their standards? Again, I'm not saying that they're necessarily doing this deceitfully. It is what it is. The whole system's like this right.
Speaker 1:But could a child say something like that, just basic teaching from the Bible and not get chastised? That's what I'd ask.
Speaker 3:Well, it's interesting too, because I think about like St Brennan's and we sometimes forget that we're in this really awesome bubble and my kids will go in public and I'm like, oh, wow, yeah, because I grew up in it, I kind of know where the you know, and I was in corporate America for a long time.
Speaker 3:Like you know kind of where things you can say and can't say in public. And even I don't keep that, but you know, you're aware of it, the kids aren't, no, but that becomes such. It really helps, you see, like am I fearing God or fearing man? Because your kids will say something and you're like they're a hundred percent right.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's the thing is that they're right when they said it.
Speaker 3:Yeah you know you're in the grocery store and the little young kids, my kids, yeah, kevin's kids.
Speaker 1:They will say things like how come that lady doesn't have clothes on? Yeah, yeah, it was. You know, it's actually been a little bit because we've been working with them on this Filter. Yes, yeah, probably four months ago or so, you know, we were in the grocery store and, sure enough, one of my little girls was, you know, saying mommy. But she's not modest and points at her.
Speaker 2:She's four feet away.
Speaker 3:Oh shh sh mommy, but she's not modest and points at her. You know she's four feet away.
Speaker 1:You know. But but she was right, it's just time and place for having that. Conversation with somebody is really important. Texture is important, and now there is no texture there, just ran right into it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's helpful. Um think about, I guess, maybe one of the final ones that we'll look at here. It's always used. It was always used in college classes as a logical fallacy. But Jesus said in Matthew 12, 30, whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. So here we have this principle of again you could say, of the education, like is this for Christ or against Christ? And a helpful kind of rubric to evaluate what the education is like. Why is this important to ask this question?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean just realistically, every teacher is going to be pointing their students they're, in a way, they're disciples you know lowercase d on that pointing their disciples to a certain image they're going to again fear God or fear man In this case. Are you going to follow Jesus or are you not going to? Does it matter? Because, again, the way that this is framed is that it more seems like if you're not intentionally for me, then you're against me. In other words, a teacher who teaches in our schools, or teaches in public school, whatever it is, if they're not intentionally directing their children to fear the Lord, what are they doing then? Well, they're scattering. They're scattering these children intellectually. They're scattering because, again, that picture is like a moving away from this object, and the object being Jesus Christ that we worship. And so the scattering is actually because you're not intentionally forcing up right. Just like, you know, when you go to Jerusalem, you're always going up right. It's always pointing up. If you're not moving that direction, pointing up to Christ, you are inevitably pushing away, you are scattering away. So that's really just the last one. Those are the main highlights, at least.
Speaker 1:But as we're thinking about this, my encouragement, just as I'm. You know we're talking to parents, right, we're having this conversation, but we're trying to help parents along this road, as we're thinking through an education for their children, specifically a Christian education, it's important to ask, or at least we should be asking ourselves is this antithesis clear? Is it clear not just to us too, but because sometimes we do that where it's like it makes sense to me, but my children aren't getting it right. Is this antithesis clear? Or in their education, wherever that's at? Is that at home? Is that a private school? Is that at public school? Are they being taught to blur this distinction or are they being taught to lean into this distinction Again, worshiping and serving the creator or the creature? Are you fearing God or are you fearing man? Are you going to follow God's law? Are you going to follow man's law? Are you for Christ or are you scattering because you are not for Christ, again, intentionally? Are we doing this in our homes? That has to be the first question.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's really helpful to. Even though we've been doing this for a while with St Brennan's, with Christian education we've been homeschooling for a long time before that it's still really helpful. Just you know, I think about what the apostle Paul says. It's still really helpful. Just you know, I think about what the Apostle Paul says.
Speaker 2:It's good for me to repeat myself you know as a father in the home, and dads always do this they repeat themselves.
Speaker 3:I like to use that with my kids. It's no trouble to me. It's good to hear the same things over again to remind ourselves why we're here. Kevin, one of the other things that I find incredibly helpful as we talk about education is that we're in a community. We have a community here of people where we're continually hearing these ideas, balancing them off each other.
Speaker 3:A lot of people are isolated. So one of the things I want to point to is we do have a Patreon channel where people can connect and have some dialogue. They can ask questions with you, be encouraged by other homeschool maybe, or classical Christian school, whatever it is. I think there's going to be just a wide swath of people who are interested in this. So we encourage you. You can get early access to episodes there on the Patreon channel, and you can also be privy to the Q&A. I know we have an exciting upcoming Q&A, which I personally am excited about, so I guess just give us a feel for, like, what types of questions are you going to be answering as a part of you know sort of this dialogue.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So there is a. There's a good bit there where we're going to do a variety. I like to do a variety. At least Most of it's going to be Q&A and I'm going to prioritize the Q&A right. I get to select these. I'm going to try to do kind of the most foundational, maybe important, upfront, like this next one. I think we're answering what are the things that I need to be thinking through if we haven't launched a school yet?
Speaker 3:You get that question a lot.
Speaker 1:Oh, I get it all the time. Yeah, so what does that look like? But there are going to be other questions, even as we kind of go. You know, throughout time we're going to drill down into more specifics of somebody asks you know I'm having trouble with my. You know we're homeschooling. I'm having trouble with my 13-year-old boy who's kind of pushing back against his mom during the day. She's really frustrated. You know what's your advice? What do you do in this kind of situation? We can talk through that right.
Speaker 1:Again, we want to be a help, not just to the private school, though. Obviously that's why we're putting our model out there. You know it's kind of vulnerable. You start kind of putting your own stuff out there and I think it'll be really good to get the feedback on it. But then also, we don't want to leave homeschoolers high and dry who either they just love homeschooling or, for various reasons, cannot start a private school like St Brendan's. We don't want to just leave them high and dry. Right, we want to help there too. So again, that's the whole point of the Patreon stuff is you should be able to get access to this Q&A. It's going to be more informal, probably just me leading through it Sometimes. We'll have kind of some back and forth, but short, compact, trying to just be really helpful, right? So you might have questions about Greek. How are you guys landing this? Okay, maybe I can answer that kind of up front instead of just waiting for the whole curriculum layout.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's interesting because I think about community. I remember things like starting powerlifting or starting triathlon training. You really have to be in a group of people where number one encouragement, but also you can say things like hey, when I'm on the bike, what do I do in this situation? There's all this stuff that comes up. So community will be really important. You can join that for as little as $5 a month. The other thing that is cool about Patreon they've added a function that is in Patreon chat. Yeah, it's like a chat thread. It's basically like a Discord within Patreon, so we don't have to do it outside of there. That's really helpful. You can bounce ideas off one another. Kevin can interact with you, so I definitely encourage you guys to check that out. Check the link in the show notes and you can sign up for Patreon today to get access to that exclusive content. Kevin, it's been a wonderful show. Hopefully it's been helpful for our listeners. Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 2:I joined you, thanks, thanks for coming shores, and we sail for Eden's shores and we sail for Eden's shores.