#35 - Husband, Father, Entrepreneur: Turning Childhood Trauma Into Success! w/Matt Schneider

Discover the transformative power of authentic connections and leadership in our latest episode, featuring Matt Schneider, LEO turned Entrepreneur with a compelling narrative that intertwines personal growth, family dynamics, and professional success. Our guest candidly shares a journey from overcoming a tumultuous childhood marked by frequent relocations and challenging family relationships to thriving in leadership roles within the S.W.A.T. law enforcement sectors. His story is a testament to the resilience required to break cycles and the conscious decisions needed to shape a brighter future for the next generation.

Join us as we delve into the profound influence of leadership on career choices, where personal choice and the courage to seize control of one's destiny become pivotal. Through engaging stories, we explore the unconventional leadership styles within the military and the critical importance of integrity and genuine care in boosting team morale and success. From the frustrations of structured environments to the flexibility of dynamic leadership, our guest provides unique insights into the roles of leaders as both role models and catalysts for growth.

As we shift our focus to the personal realm, the conversation turns to the challenges of balancing parenting, marriage, and entrepreneurship. The heartfelt anecdotes about raising a strong, independent child highlight the invaluable role of fathers in teaching respect and self-awareness. We emphasize the significance of building a legacy that transcends material wealth, fueled by authenticity, mentorship, and a healthy work-life balance. With future collaborations on the horizon, we wrap up our episode with a call to embrace authenticity and mentorship in both personal and professional arenas.

Chapters

• 0:09 Life Story and Connection Building
• 5:47 Breaking the Cycle and Thriving
• 12:43 Leadership Impact on Career Choices
• 24:45 Unconventional Leadership in the Marine Corps
• 29:13 Field Training and Dynamic Leadership
• 32:15 Leadership and Team Morale
• 39:08 Law Enforcement Career Path Exploration
• 52:05 Media Manipulation and Social Issues
• 56:38 Political Tensions and World Events
• 1:08:59 Parenting, Politics, and Agenda Awareness
• 1:17:14 Political Discussions and Speculation
• 1:21:47 Parenting and Fatherly Advice
• 1:32:22 Parenting and Developing Strong Daughters
• 1:45:15 Parenting and Values Transmission
• 1:49:04 Navigating Business and Parenting Balances
• 1:56:12 Overcoming Adversity and Building a Legacy
• 2:01:09 Defining Wealth and Networking Benefits
• 2:06:47 Mastermind Growth Through Authentic Collaboration
• 2:13:53 Elevating the Entrepreneurial Lid
• 2:24:07 CEO Mindset and White Belt Mentality
• 2:28:30 Legacy, Humility, and Giving Back
• 2:35:01 Maintaining a Healthy Marriage and Partnership
• 2:46:31 Future Collaboration Excitement

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:09

yeah, you ready, buddy, I'm excited, ready. Yeah, I'm excited for this one because you and I have only met like on the professional side of things. We haven't actually had a time to, yeah, to sit down. We met on the golf course, bullshitted a little bit about some future work, we got coming up and you invited us to one of your networking classes, which I never in a million years would ever have gone ever yeah is that right, not my, thing, oh that's cool yeah and I came home, her and I and I was like you know, I brought my buddy zach and yeah, I was like holy shit, that was not completely judged every uh, you know, you see, that I'm one of those

Speaker 1: 0:41

a hundred percent, I do. I, I do it all myself. I'm one of those. Yeah, a hundred percent, I do it all myself. I'm one of those. And then you know, obviously, with the work and everything that's coming to the Northwest, and then you know, with Mac, I was like hey, he invited me to this thing and he's like what do you think? I'm like I'm going to go? Like you never know, like right, it's operation. So yeah, we went and man, that was great.

Speaker 1: 1:05

And so then obviously, you and I kind of bullshitted a little bit and started digging in and I was like, oh damn okay, like you've done a lot of stuff on the law enforcement side which I found really interesting. I want to start there. And then I want to roll into everything you're doing now with these classes and just the networking and everything. I mean being able to bring my daughter along and she's able to experience it. That was the coolest part for me is watching her work. Yeah, you know, just being able to be a kid there. I mean I think half the people thought she was either my wife, which was really awkward.

Speaker 2: 1:31

Yeah, that would be awkward yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:34

Which was a really weird situation, because my wife's been by my side for everything for 15 years. And so now that she's at this age, it's her coming with me, and so I actually introduced her.

Speaker 2: 1:48

I at this age, it's her coming with me, and so I actually introduced her like this is my wife christy.

Speaker 1: 1:49

I'm like my daughter christy, like, and it was so weird. The guy was like you're the one that made it weird. Then, well, just other people already had thought I don't know if it was like subconscious. They're like so is this your? You know, maybe it's so much older. They're looking at me like I'm some like cradle robber have some young white girl.

Speaker 2: 1:59

This is my daughter she's 16.

Speaker 1: 2:00

You know and so, so it was funny. But the way that she conducts and holds herself, I mean I get it. She doesn't look like a teenager. So yeah, and that was awesome. And to watch her work the room and be able to network was that was one of those like checks, like okay, all right, we're doing the right thing, yeah. But, dude, why don't you give me a little intro about yourself, a little background, and then we're just going to dive right into it?

Speaker 2: 2:22

Right on man. Well, I would say, first and foremost, I'm a husband and a dad. Yep, married 18 and a half years, got an incredible 15 and a half year old son. You know, origin story wise, I grew up in a really pretty chaotic environment with just constant moving, constant restarts, military, no, no Just with my mom having a very skewed thought process when it came to relationships. Okay, I've met one other person that's been able to rival this record that I have, which is the number of divorces that she's experienced. So she's on her ninth divorce now, and so each one of the moves was just a new relationship that was an accomplishment.

Speaker 1: 3:13

It is yeah. When did this start? So when did your parents split?

Speaker 2: 3:16

So I mean my biological dad. I was, um, I was three years old. My mom was pregnant with my little brother, okay, so she was seven months along with him and he was just this raging, alcoholic, abusive type. So she took the last ass beating when I was three. She was seven, my older brother was six. He came home drunk, beat her, passed out. She packed up the car. This was in San Francisco, okay, so we drove down to Southern California and she didn't have anywhere to go.

Speaker 2: 3:50

So there's a picture of me on this little dock, right next to this little boat, and that's where we lived for a while. So this little cabin area of a tiny little boat. It's got one bed, no restroom or anything like that inside of it, and so I don't know exactly how long we were there for, but, um, it was a little while. But you know, it was the better alternative than than staying where she was at. And then, uh, one of the, the first memories I have after this had left, my mom had my, my little brother. We met at a Target parking lot somewhere in California and I remember those two being off to the side having a conversation.

Speaker 1: 4:33

But your mom and your biological dad.

Speaker 2: 4:35

Okay, Yep, and he was saying look like, if you don't charge child support, I'll write off all rights to these boys. Yep.

Speaker 2: 4:43

And yeah, and so she, she, she took that deal. Uh, they both honored their end of the bargain and I didn't hear from him. There was a one random phone call that came in from him. I actually answered the phone. This was like maybe four or five years later and he's like, hey, you know, is this matt? Yeah, he's like, hey, this is your dad. I'm all it like really caught me off guard and so I how old were you at this point?

Speaker 2: 5:08

I was around seven or eight, oh okay, so you're still pretty young okay yeah, I mean old enough to know, but now you know we're living in a little apartment in redlands, california. At the time, and um, and so it was my um, my two brothers and my two sisters were all living in this two-bedroom apartment, so myself and brothers shared a little room, my sisters had a room and then my mom and the new husband at the time were sleeping in a like hide-a-bed in the living room. But that was my normal dude.

Speaker 1: 5:42

You didn't know any different.

Speaker 2: 5:43

I didn't know any different. It was just like it was just the way we were doing life. Yeah, and you know, I will say that, while my mom always tended to be gravitated towards these terrible relationships.

Speaker 1: 5:57

So is she the? Is she picking just winners, or what's the?

Speaker 2: 6:01

deal. Well, dude, she swears that this is a true story. Okay, you ready for this? And I've challenged her on it. She says, no, it actually happened. But she swears that while she was walking down the aisle to marry my father, that my grandmother stopped her midway walking down the aisle guys standing at the altar waiting and she gets a tug from my grandmother and says hey, you know, if this doesn't work out, you can just divorce right On the way to get married.

Speaker 2: 6:30

Really, that's how you want to start a marriage. I'm like mom, there's no way that. She's like, yeah, that actually happened and you know, and she my grandmother, you know apparently just had you know the same kind of upbringing where she didn't understand what it meant to be in a healthy relationship and that that cycle didn't get broken with my mom. So while I was 10 I remember I was I had a friend that was over. We're looking at trophies in the room, uh, and I've got several different trophies and a few of them have different last names on it, because every time she would get married.

Speaker 1: 7:04

We would take the new last name.

Speaker 2: 7:06

So I'm in there with a friend and we're looking at these trophies and I'm all proud of them and he's like, why do they have different last names? And I explained the scenario. I'm like, wait, you don't have different last names on your trophies. He's like no dude, they're all the same. My mom's still married to the same guy and that was like my when I realized my normal was not normal, you know, and what was happening in my house wasn't, wasn't. That is so sad.

Speaker 1: 7:31

But you don't know any. It's just like kids that grow up in extreme poverty and these kids are different, or they just don't know any different.

Speaker 2: 7:41

But I mean not healthy, no, but I will say that I didn't know how many kids I would have. I didn't know what being an adult would look like and when I would get married. But I did know that I was not going to do to myself, to my future wife, to however many kids I had in the future. I would not do to them what I was growing up in. So I was very young when I made the commitment to break the cycle.

Speaker 2: 8:03

I was very young when I made the commitment to break the cycle and you know, I look back now and I am able to tie a lot of the superpowers that I have, the ways in which I'm very successful in business and the different things we've got going on, directly to the lessons that I learned from this upbringing. For sure, learned from this upbringing, you know, and so I, even in the law enforcement side, like it, it, I, I really did well in the whole SWAT thing and the chaotic environment that was there, because things just don't get me riled up, and I contribute that to the fact that when I had so many different restarts and moving around and, and you know, having to go to new schools and meet new people in southern california. At one point we're in palm springs and I was the minority in that school, so I was getting picked on, you know, and.

Speaker 2: 8:51

But because of that I I developed this sense of like it's going to be fine, like I don't, there's no point in getting all riled up, it's all gonna be fine. And that that became part of my personality, which later on, in the whole SWAT world, allowed for me to just always keep a very cool head and, like you, learn to you learn to live with the chaos.

Speaker 1: 9:12

Okay, I mean so stressful environments never having. I mean a steady home. I mean you, you, you channeled all that into.

Speaker 2: 9:21

They just like figure it out, this ain't now. Yeah, just figure it out, it's going to be fine. And I also contribute to my ability to read a room, read people really well, see around corners of things. I'm a visionary. By way of I can see an outcome that I want to achieve and be able to reverse engineer it in my mind, and I had to do that as a kid. My mom was very preoccupied most of my childhood with these relationships, and then my little sister, molly, was severely handicapped. She was born with her umbilical cord wrapped around her neck, so she was deprived of oxygen.

Speaker 1: 10:00

My brother did too. They didn't think he came out completely purple. Yeah, really he's fine, but they deprived of oxygen. My brother did too.

Speaker 2: 10:04

They didn't think he was came out completely purple, yeah, and he's fine, but they thought for no brain damage none.

Speaker 1: 10:08

Oh, wow, they said it was a miracle, like when there's pictures of him when he first came out. Wow, whole, the whole baby, this purple baby, I mean vocal cord wrapped. But they thought they told my mom they're like expect it and yeah, it's completely that's.

Speaker 2: 10:23

That's amazing dude. My little sister was severely mentally handicapped man.

Speaker 1: 10:27

I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 2: 10:27

Yeah, I mean, she was a real blessing in her life. She passed away a handful of years ago. In fact, this tattoo is a memorial of her. Her favorite thing in the world was Annie, and so I had this done by a buddy of mine out of Boston, texas, andy Faux. And so had this done by a buddy of mine out of Boston, texas, andy Faux. But yeah, man, you know, there's ways of looking at our past and to say is it going to, is the past going to define the present, or am I going to let my present define the past and look at the ways in which it's helped me thrive for sure, versus use it as a crutch and and and reasons why I would make bad decisions and um, and that's why you know I'm I'm very proud of how long I've been married, and especially in these days, man, it seems we, we talk about it, it is one of our biggest talking points.

Speaker 1: 11:27

Especially you have a teenage son, a 17 age daughter, you start now. These kids the problems are setting in that have been developed to this point, is how we look at it. And every one of these boys and girls that we're seeing and we're hearing about and watching, and her friends we've watched from little kids to now, all of them that have these attention issues which mainly it's attention is what we see with it and just not getting the the right amount of love and care moving. All of them broken homes, every one of them broken homes. And it's so sad, even if these, the parents that are co-parenting together well, your, your kid, is still having to pack a bag, your kid's still not laying their head on their bed every single night, and that affects these kids, sure, big time. And when you step back and you watch, you truly watch these kids develop.

Speaker 1: 12:20

Grant, I get it. There's kids that are in beautiful homes, parents are multimillionaires, have everything going and they grow up completely fucked. I get it, but all these, especially in the girl side of things, and every one of them are broken homes, every one of them and that is why it was so important for us. No matter what, we will fucking get through it. It's not even an option. It's scary, but for you. I heard this guy the other day. He was talking and he's like you know, you have two brothers that grew up with an alcoholic father and one of them grows up and he's an alcoholic. And man, how come you, how'd you, become an alcoholic? My dad was an alcoholic. And then you talk to the other one. This is entrepreneur and very successful. No-transcript, or I'm like this because my parents were like this and I want nothing to be like you know it's the same.

Speaker 2: 13:42

I life like if we choose to. And that's the thing is that the more people realize that at all times we have the power and control to change our circumstances Like if we don't like our circumstances, we maintain that power and control. Whether we exercise it or not is a different story and you know it can be more work at times than others. But you've got to be willing to do the work.

Speaker 1: 14:05

That's why I got out of the military. I sat there I'll never forget, I can take you to the exact spot that it clicked and I was like this isn't for me. And I was watching my senior staff, ncos. There was a forklift they had just dropped off like a pallet of track blocks where you're replacing a track on a tank. And the forklift they just dropped off like a pallet of track track blocks where replacing a track on a tank. And the the forklifts like this far off the ground they're all standing there with their morning coffees and they're all looking at each other talking and bouncing on the forks of this forklift. I was like that's who I have to work for for the rest of my career. I was like absolutely not. And then I started looking and once it started, once that light was like oh, I don't know, because when I joined the Marine Corps, I was like I'm careering it, I'm going to stay in, I'm retiring from the military, I'm going to retire a Marine.

Speaker 1: 14:50

And then, when it hit me, and then I really started watching and I'm like man, all of these dudes are miserable. They have shit relationships with their children and families and their wives. Most of them are divorced. They all sit here until 6, six, seven o'clock at night because they don't want to go home and that that's the cycle. And I sat there. I'm like I don't want this, like this sucks. And then I then it got to the point where I was like god, I gotta put on this uniform every day. I was like, okay, it's time, it's time for me to go. And you know a lot of guys they're scared and they're they don't know what to do. And we were just having this conversation this morning because she was asking like, was it scary when you got out? Yeah, guaranteed paycheck. It took an act of Congress to bust me down because I was a staff, nco, tricare, full medical. I mean you cannot get, unless you commit a felony or get something major in trouble, you have a guaranteed job and paycheck. Yeah, and that's what I think holds a lot of those guys. And then they're miserable, then it just festers and they, you, it's up to you to change your, your future, you change your stars. You could realign whatever you want.

Speaker 1: 15:51

And that's when I and I went home and I told Brad I was like I'm done, I'm getting out. And she's like what do you mean? You're getting out. I was, and I was trying to go MARSOC and I was trying to change that and it all fell apart and they weren't taking any staff and they actually weren't taking any sergeants and above and I was like that was my only little cry to stay in my little sliver of hope, like okay, if I can go this route and get the hell out of this MOS, like cool, I'll give it a try. And then when they pulled the rug from me, I went home. I told I was like I can't do this, I'm not, I'm not going to live. These guys. She's like what are you going to do? And I literally told her I was like I will flip burgers in and out if I have to. I'm not doing this.

Speaker 1: 16:34

Another day and I went know like a jump school or dive school as like a reenlistment bonus. They're like well, we're not giving. There's really none getting out. I was like I just want to, I just want to fill one in, just in case. And he handed it to me. I turned around and shredded my reenlistment package right in front of him and he looks at me like what are you doing?

Speaker 1: 17:04

I was like that's all, that's all I had to hear and he was an awesome guy, this dude. He was one of those ones like he would have been me if I stayed. He stayed in longer than he should have, but he just he's. What do you do? You know you're already halfway to your retirement. It doesn't make sense unless you go. I had a buddy that did another four and he ended up going embassy. Now Now he's a US Marshal and he's loving life, but he's built for that. And so that was it, man, and I was like I have to change my path. I'm going to be miserable the rest of my life. I'd rather be miserable on the outside doing my own thing, not having to work for these assholes.

Speaker 2: 17:36

You know what's wild about that, dude, is when you really boil it down. You were observing a couple of guys in your leadership ranks, right Mm-hmm, and because you see the way that they were conducting themselves and projecting that that could be your future, your entire trajectory changed. Okay, and it's wild because you hear leadership's wild because you, you know, you hear leadership's always the problem, it's always the solution, and you know a story like that. It's. It just emphasizes like how, how, when you're in a leadership role, people are paying attention and when people lose faith in the leadership structure, they'll start. They'll start pulling the rip cord and changing course and uh, and now there's other factors involved and you've done some time, For sure. But you know that point where you came to that conclusion after watching a couple of guys that were more senior than you. Is that right?

Speaker 1: 18:34

Yes, oh yeah, they're all my gunnies. So I was a staff sergeant, I was an E6, but I was watching them. It was gunnies and mass sergeants sitting there that morning and I was watching them and we were actually teaching heavy machine guns. We had the .50 cals and the 40-millimeter grenade launchers. We have all of our students there and I'm sitting there. We have these back bench seats on the back of our vehicles and they're back ramps down and I'm sitting there watching my instructors give the period of instruction on these weapons, because I was a platoon sergeant and I'm watching, watching and I look up and they're all and they're all giggling and I looked and I'm like if those were my sergeants doing that, these dudes would be out of this battalion, get the fuck out. What are you? They'd be chewing ass, especially in front of students, and I'm like these are my bosses. No, I am no,

Speaker 1: 19:18

nothing. Some of them were some good dudes, but I think the biggest problem with the military that I saw is the good guys that are like man, I can do something with my life, I can start a business. I. I didn't know what I didn't. I wasn't one of those, right, but those types of guys, all of them get out, then you're stuck with this no offense, no offense. Anybody from kentucky, the south, but the majority of those dudes stay in, then that's who's your leadership, and they're the biggest retards you've ever met in your

Speaker 1: 19:42

life. Anybody from Kentucky, the South, but the majority of those dudes stay in, then that's who's your leadership, and they're the biggest retards you've ever met in your life. And you're like I sat here all week and now it's a Friday afternoon and you're just now telling me we have to clean five or seven 50-cals mod deuce 50-cals that take days to do and we have to do this before I can cut my guys out of here. No, go home, go home, don't answer your phones, get out of here. I would tell them get out, don't answer your phone. Where the fuck are your guys at?

Speaker 1: 20:11

I cut them out, get them back here, call everyone right in front of them, speak your phone. They answered hey, you got to come back, but they, that's who I was like. I looked out after my guys because those I had one staff sergeant his name, or yes, that's aren't mad and he ended up picking up gunny right before he got out. He was one of the greatest leaders. The greatest leader did never yelled. He was like the dad. You'd be like, hey, you fucked up. You'd be like, damn, I get my ass chewed all day. I turn around like this dude, you know, like chewing my ass does. I'm one of those people like you, could you? Okay, buddy, like you're, you're not intimidating to me, but you, when you respect somebody and it's like your dad telling you, like you really let me down. That's how this guy was, because he was. He was that incredible as a leader we deployed together. The guy was incredible and he got out.

Speaker 1: 20:59

I was like gosh, nobody left, yeah, except for these just idiots. There's some good ones in, but I didn't work for them. You know, for some reason I just and so it was it. When that light bulb went off, I was like I'm not doing this a day longer than I have to. I told the wife I'm done, what are you going to do? I flipped burgers in and out. I ended up go straight back overseas, which you know. Like you don't know what you're going to do, but I was it. I was like that, there, there it is. That's all, that's my little bit of hope. I can, I can make it and I'll make it work from there. And so, yeah, that was it I. I didn't even tell anybody. I got out and people were calling me where are you? I was like I'm done. I didn't tell anybody how long fully separated it was within, I want to say, six months, um or less. But the thing was my previous job where I was working.

Speaker 1: 21:53

I worked for one of the most senior master guns in the marine corps and he wouldn't charge us any leave dates. He was this dude. He was one of the good ones, but he was. I was never in my chain of command. I was working up at division as the division first marine division color sergeant and I fell underneath. This guy's name was gunny french. He, he was the most badass dude you ever worked for and I'd be like, hey, best guns, like I'm gonna take a week off leave, I'd submit my paperwork and he's like I'm not, you're good, go, don't get arrested if you do call me so. So he didn't charge. So for over two years I saved all of my leave dates. I never burned any of my vacation time.

Speaker 1: 22:30

So when it comes time to get out, you can sell back. They only let you max a certain amount that you can take to get out early or early out. So I sold, I maxed as many days as I could take out, which was like two months early, and then I sold back all of my other time. So I ended up getting paid for all the days I couldn't take. And then I got out early. And plus, I was an instructor and so we didn't.

Speaker 1: 22:51

I was teaching officers at the time, and officer classes were like maybe twice a year because you have to let the class build up to get enough students to actually host the class. So we weren't doing anything. We just we just fucked off all day. So so I just stopped coming in and and, long story short, the when I got my paperwork, they ended up screwing up and giving me my DD two, 14, which is your thumbprint to being a veteran. They gave me it and they put the the date on it. They put the wrong date on it. They put it like three months early, yeah, and I saw that I was like I'm out and I and they would call me like you got duty, you're not out yet. I'm like come get me. It's a crazy story which I could tell us another time, but yeah, so I ended up, just I pretty much got out like almost six months early, like I turned in the paperwork and then I had bought back time, had all my other leave dates, and then I just stopped coming to work because I had my they screwed up and gave me my D2-14. So I was done and I just I didn't tell anybody because I didn't get they. Usually they do like a little getting out or retiring plaque and going away and they didn't. I mean I had guys calling me like yo, where are you? I haven't seen you at work in forever. I'm like I'm out. Did you get your paddle? I didn't get anything. Wow, nothing. Nobody even knew I got out.

Speaker 1: 24:07

If those, if those guys that were bouncing on that forklift were much more like gunny french, do you think you'd still be in? I don't know, I've never thought of that actually I just that was like the aha moment that started the, the, the hourglass where I was like god, I gotta work for these dudes for 15 more years, plus years. And so it's just, you know, I would. At that point I was, I was ready, you know. And then it then it's like, you know, at that point I was ready, and then it's like when you have a roommate and everything's cool at first, and then you start to get on each other and then, just hearing him breathe or your roommate walk around, you're like that's how it was for me, I'd go to work. Just the smell I hated, putting on my camis I hated. I just it got to the point where I would just come to work like fuck, like God. I just it got to the point where I would just come to work like fuck, like God.

Speaker 1: 24:45

And I was a weird Marine because I always looked at the Marine Corps as a nine to five. I was never like rah, rah, gun kill Marine Corps Like I. Just it was just never me. I joined because I wanted to serve my country, but that was I wasn't. I wasn't born to be a Marine. I love being a Marine. I love the title of being a Marine. I'll hold onto that forever. I mean, that is a chapter in my life that not a lot of people can ever claim. But as far as just hardcore embedded in the Marine Corps, I could give a fuck about any of that shit. I left all my uniforms at work. I'd ride to work, get in them. I'd go home in civilian clothes every day. It was a nine to five job for me.

Speaker 2: 25:23

It was so hard for other people to comprehend that I just do you ever, ever uh like second guess that decision?

Speaker 1: 25:28

no, never once. The only thing I've ever missed about the marine corps are my boys, of course. Yeah, guys I deploy with, and then my instructors. I had the the best team and so it was. It was nice being able to leave on that and, like all right guys, like I'm sorry, and they were bum bummed.

Speaker 1: 25:43

Because there wasn't besides my best friend, that's a US marshal. Now there wasn't any other guys like us that we didn't like. When you yell, I feel like yelling is a sign of poor leadership. If you have to scream all day long at your guys, it's not working. And so I would tell my guys like yo, we fucked up, y'all messed up Like y'all. Y'all messed up like we. This is I'm sorry, you may don't make me, don't bank me. Be an asshole, you know. And so I was. And so they never. Once they learned hey, cool, that's our marshal. Like we can get away with murder. Just do our. Do your job, do your job, get it done. Hey, you guys got nothing going on. Go home, close them up, go home, I'm not gonna make you sit here just because I'll sit here all day. That's yeah, cool, get, get out of here. And so that's who we were as leader, that's who I was as a leader.

Speaker 1: 26:28

My guys were sweeping. I was sweeping with them. My guys were cleaning weapons. I was cleaning weapons with them. Yeah, and we got everything done so much faster. Everything was done better. We had the highest test scores of all of our students because my instructors, they knew if I can get them out of it not having to do something, or we could finish early or cut them loose early. They knew it was going to happen, so get it all done. But if they came down and they said, hey, is this and this done? No, go, get it done, let me know when it's done. They'd go bust their ass and get it done. Cool, Get out of here. Don't answer your phones. That was your phone. Yeah, I'm sure your guys were probably super bummed when you oh, they were devastated, devastated. They were please, man, please, please, you know.

Speaker 1: 27:10

And so obviously, after I left, they got a new staff nco and they were. I even got those guys because of how belligerent I was. I'm one of those like I'm swimming against the stream, every single, no matter what it is, I'm gonna go do the opposite. And this team was bill of all of these same type guys. Yeah, so other staff and ceos had problems with them. They couldn't be controlled, they were, they were just belligerent assholes. I mean my whole team were just absolute belligerent, just fucks of marines.

Speaker 1: 27:39

And I show up and I was like listen, I, I was you, I still am, I just have more rank on me If I can get you out of here, cool. If not, like, let's just get the job done. I don't. I do not want to be here another second than I have to be. I hate this place. So if you're going to make me be here, all of our lives are going to be miserable. If you guys don't make me be here any longer, you guys get to go home and get out of here. I'll take the bullet for and? They were like shit, this is great. And so, yeah, I never had any problems. I'd be like everything was done ahead of time. I was like, hey, get it done. And once we learned that routine, it was great and they loved it. I mean they, they were gone, all you know.

Speaker 1: 28:18

Other other staff and ceos were like, oh, what are you guys doing? Oh, I'm just making them sit there all day. I got families, all these dudes got deployments. Half my guys have purple hearts. Just got back like, go home, yeah, go. We're instructors. We don't even have students. Why are you gonna make your guy so that's who I was and I just it. Just, it didn't jive with who I, who I personally was.

Speaker 2: 28:37

And then, obviously, the political the political game I do not play where did, where did you pick up those types of leadership skills to show up in that way, especially considering that wasn't the norm in the Corps? How did you learn that showing up for your guys Like if they're going to be sweeping, you're sweeping, if you know looking out for them the way they did? Did you pick that up from somewhere or did someone lead you that way prior?

Speaker 1: 29:02

I had a couple of when I was a troop. One of my crew chiefs was a really good crew chief and he would be doing things with us and when we get it done he wouldn't just make you I'm. I don't believe in the call. They call them fuck, fuck games. Right, look busy, bus rust. You just look you.

Speaker 1: 29:16

I remember sitting on the back in my vehicle friday afternoon as a troop you're on, we're on the beach. I was stationed in del mar, right on on pendleton, so I mean, the beach is a hundred yards. You hear it. You hear the women laughing, you smell the barbecues. It's a friday afternoon in august and I'm busting rust on a bolt. Look busy, look, that's what they tell us. Look busy, we don't have anything to do. Look busy. I just as as a I feel like a normal person. Like this is the dumbest shit. Why do I have to look busy? We have nothing to do. There's always something new. I get it. We have giant armor vehicles and tank. I get it. There's always something that. No, that Friday we had something to do. All week. It's Friday, like. And so when I always told myself, like God, if one day when I'm in fucking charge, one day. I'm in charge this, this is gonna fly, and so yeah. Then, finally, I started picking up rank and I was able to tell people to fuck off.

Speaker 1: 30:11

This is my platoon yeah, and I just ran it how I wanted to run it, like go to chow, guys, get out of here. Go to chow, take, take an extra hour, don't come back for until you get two hours how many guys are in a platoon?

Speaker 1: 30:21

depends on like as an like as an instructor. I had, I think we had seven vehicles, so I had seven crew chiefs and then I think we'd have an average on like 60 to 70 kids, about 10 kids per vehicle. That's where Mac and I were instructors together. We were martial arts instructors together. He was that motherfucker dude. Yeah. So he was the platform instructor because he was very you know I mean, you've met him a few times so he's very like proper. He could rub elbows and play that game.

Speaker 1: 30:47

I wasn't, so I was the practical application instructor. I was down on the ramp with the instructors. We were in the trenches, we're the ones that are going to the field. Mac would just ride in the humvee and roll up like how's it going, man, like dude, get the fuck out of here. Did you bring us burritos? And he'd be like you know, like that was Mac, and so that was our dynamic. And so I was the field training staff NCO and Mac was the platform you know office guy Did all the paperwork and all that good stuff. So you know, it's just for me, that was my environment, that's where I thrived in the field deploying, get the job, get it done. That was it.

Speaker 2: 31:24

But Mac wasn't always on the sidelines because he told me a story about you know a time where you jumped a Humvee or a Bearcat or something and you know. So he was. It sounds like he was around for some of the action.

Speaker 1: 31:36

He would come right around and stuff. Yeah, he'd be in the field with us. We always just gave him a hard time because he would always just, you know, he was just back. You know he ended up screwing me one time he came down. He's like yo, I signed you up for this class and I'm like what? Because I was always begging like yo, send me to like jump school or something, because he had that power. He's like dude, I got you in a course, badass course, and I'm like what. He's like it's the aol aul course, which is the officer, leader, staff and see a leadership course which was I. I was an instructor it, but I dodged ever going through it. I was devastated. It sucks, that class sucks. You're in the classroom all day learning everything you already know. Like he's just trying to stay awake, him, and I got in a fight over that one. I was pretty butthurt with him. But anyways, back to you, dude. That was a long, long rant for me.

Speaker 2: 32:17

No, man, it's interesting. I mean, there's so many different ties to you know my world's business, right, and so you're. You're you're just highlighting the fact of how important leadership is and that a we're always being watched when we're in leadership roles and and when you show up for your team in ways that you actually genuinely care for them and you're unafraid to go against the grain and they genuinely feel and know that you have their best interests in mind, like they'll go to war for you. I mean literally in your case, literally they'll go to war for you. But the same is true in business. You know, as we're building, you know businesses that we want to have be creating massive impact and positive influence on people's lives. Whatever the business is, we want to improve people's lives as a result, and we can't do it alone Not if it's going to be a big business, not if it's going to really be something special, and so we need people to be on the team and we need people to be fully locked on to what our vision is and the mission that we're on, and and you know we spend a lot of time looking for the right people that that are in it for the long haul. And you know it's devastating.

Speaker 2: 33:36

I do a lot of, you know, coaching and consulting for mainly doctors and medical providers in the functional medicine, naturopathic space. But you know, turnover is a real problem for entrepreneurs. And what many entrepreneurs fail to realize is that when they have high standards for their people that they themselves don't hold and ensure that they are first and foremost rising to those standards before they require anybody else to it's. You know that whole do as I say, not as I do, thing. You know, people know a hypocrite when they see one right. And nobody wants to work with a hypocrite, nobody wants to help a hypocrite build a profitable business so they can, you know, have all the toys and all the fun. They don't want to be part of a team like that.

Speaker 1: 34:23

I've worked for teams like that. Yeah, sucks.

Speaker 2: 34:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:26

I think the biggest part of that is morale. Yeah, as soon as you lose morale in your team, your staff, you're, you're done.

Speaker 2: 34:33

Yeah, man, I mean because a lot of times they come together and then. Then that's where, like a coup or some, in musical form.

Speaker 2: 34:40

Right, because now they're all seeing it the same way and they're probably right. I mean guys that took issue with those that were on the forklift or whatever. Like when you see somebody in a leadership role, you're like man, you tell me I have to do this and you get on my ass when I do these things. But yet you're over here doing something very similar and it's okay for you to do, and just because you want to pull rank. You know, nobody respects something like that and there's no, there's no longevity to people being part of that team. Or maybe, um, they'll stick around because it's a better alternative for them for now, but they're not. They're doing it just to just to not get into trouble, just to buy time, just until the next opportunity arises, but they're really not there to help you build.

Speaker 1: 35:30

But then you're not seeing your numbers grow Productivity or sales or building. I mean they might be hitting their numbers, but you're never ahead. It's because I mean, they still get like, why am I going to put an extra hour? And we're almost done. We could finish this up right now. We're like fuck, let's go home. Yeah, screw this guy. Like rolls up brand new giant truck bitching at us all day. We're out here and these guys are struggling. Yeah, he's not out here in the rain and the freezing cold. He just had a sleet storm roll through and we're laying shingles and this guy rolls up and yell at, barks orders from his truck window. Yeah, that. Then it just the cancer gets set, yeah, and then it just starts, slowly, starts chipping away. The one guy turns in the two and before you know, your whole team is just yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:12

So if you know, for people having challenges with their teams, like look inward, like always, you know, are you? Are you a? Uh, uh, you know gunny french, or are you? You know, uh, the dipshits on a forklift you? Know and if and fan where you fall depends on you know how locked on your team is and and what you're you're able to produce. But I mean it's it's because of pride and ego.

Speaker 1: 36:37

A lot of guys will look outward when they're having issues that that's exactly what it comes to is pride and ego, and they want to point fingers at everything else. God, it's the most frustrating thing too, especially, you know, not always being the entrepreneur, just grinding to get to where we are, I feel stepping stones and working for those guys where they will walk in. Why is this?

Speaker 2: 36:58

better.

Speaker 1: 36:59

And it's like you suck. Yeah, that's why, yeah, you're not giving us any funding. You're not giving us any funding. You're not giving us any support. You're not morale's down. All you do is come in and bitch well exactly this is why.

Speaker 2: 37:13

This is why your sales reps oh yeah, no problem, they're not upselling anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's. Uh, I had a sergeant, one of my very first sergeants, uh, john mcdaniel, and that dude won me over to the point to where, you know, short of of, you know, committing a major felony, like, even like, like small felonies, I would have considered you know for this guy. Oh, you know, he showed up for me in ways that was on. Uh, it was not typical.

Speaker 1: 37:39

So but knowing he you, you probably had his back and he had yours.

Speaker 2: 37:42

Oh after this point. So, yeah, we had this guy. Now you know I'm all law enforcement, so it's all stateside. So we had this guy that was stalking a female and he was getting more and more aggressive. Like he was putting dead animals on her doorstep and like gutted fish in the mailbox of. Like he was putting dead animals on her doorstep and like and like gutted fish in the mailbox and uh, and I constantly harassing her, changing his, his phone number so he could continue to reach out, and it was just building on itself and I was a rookie cop I mean, I, I was within my first year, okay, and um, and this gal calls me, I just started shift and she's like, hey, he's in the area and he asked if he could take me to lunch, and so I told him that I could maybe make it work. Can you guys like be in the area and scoop them up, because there was an active warrant for him?

Speaker 1: 38:36

no shit. Good for her for doing that yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:38

So she was pretty heads up, so I haul ass over there. I have very limited like experience with any of this shit.

Speaker 1: 38:45

Right, how new? I mean, I know you're in your first year, but like, how green are you?

Speaker 2: 38:49

Oh, I'm green, I'm. I'm like you know. I mean, I've spent some time watching episodes of cops and things you know, but, like you know, a YouTuber to a video, the Academy itself. Um, this is ISP, or you? This is 80 County Sheriff's office.

Speaker 1: 39:08

Yeah, so I got hired on in 2006 and then I spent a year in a jail. Oh, how was that?

Speaker 2: 39:10

I just had a correctional officer on and he, so we went into how corrupt the whole, the whole correctional facility is, I think I think when you get onto the prison side, especially on the for the private prisons, I think it really goes sideways there because it's all about money and and and the inmates are different, right and in the county jails they're still going through the legal process, so they had actually people comment on that.

Speaker 1: 39:33

They're like man, I did a lot of time at county but never experienced any of this stuff. And we were talking afterward and he's like when you get to the yeah, private, federal, whatever, that's where the funding comes in. That's where the corruption starts because I was asking about the drugs. Yeah, it's like how are drugs getting? He's like ceos, bring it in.

Speaker 2: 39:49

Yeah it's like yeah, I was like how do?

Speaker 1: 39:51

you stop. He's like there needs to be either a law enforcement officer that's checking everybody's stuff every day or needs to rotate. But anyway, sorry it's crazy.

Speaker 2: 39:57

yeah, I, I and I don't know exactly what their hiring standards are, but I don't think they're as 18 years old 18-year-old kids work in max facilities.

Speaker 2: 40:05

And these I mean many of the people in prison like they've been in the system for a while. They know how to manipulate, they know how to. They're con artists. They're con artists, right. So you've got some 18-year-old kid, zero life experience, yeah, but you know you do one stupid thing and now they got you right, like if they can convince you to do one thing now they'll be like hey, man, that's what he's saying.

Speaker 1: 40:34

Like one what. Bring in one phone. Or you bring in one thing for them, and then, we'll tell on you Yep, yep, and then they own.

Speaker 2: 40:40

Now you'll be behind these bars with us. It's all it takes, yeah. So I would deal with a lot of the repeat offenders, because they get out, they do something stupid, they violate their parole or probation or whatever, and now they're right back at the system. But I mean, for the most part, I actually didn't. I wanted to go out on patrol right out the gate, but the need was for the jail and I'm actually looking back. I'm glad I started out there. I think a lot of guys that that have no real experience. I mean, to be a cop you can't have a criminal background, right. So my, my interaction with the criminal element was next to nothing. You're thrown to the wolves.

Speaker 1: 41:18

Instead of being on the street slowly, because you know you can go maybe a couple days without anything crazy, or maybe a couple weeks, it's depending on the department you get thrown in the county jail. I mean you're dealing with every drunk, every I mean everybody's getting picked up I mean you're processing them, so you're learning how they talk their body language. You probably get the pickup on if people are lying. It's a good way to do it.

Speaker 2: 41:39

Yeah, and when the fights did happen or when an inmate would get out of control, you're in a confined space and ultimately they're not going to win because you've got 40, 50 deputies that will come to the fight and because they're in the legal process. Most of them are on relatively good behavior because they know if they really do something stupid it's going to get to the judge and the next time they got court it's gonna it's gonna bite them. So but I mean it was a great place to cut my teeth in law enforcement, learning how to communicate with with these guys and gals, and and I found that as long as I wasn't disrespectful, like I didn't walk in thinking I'm the badge, you're the crook, you'll, you'll do as I say, right? I mean, you're locked in a dorm with a hundred 120 inmates and just one of you and you're locked in there, right?

Speaker 2: 42:32

And you've got pepper spray and a rape whistle, you know, but that's it, Right. And so, like, if they wanted to, they could. They could beat your ass, they could take you hostage, and it's happened before, Right. And and so I just I just took a position of being curious about what got people into the place that they're in, and what I found was that you know whether they were gangbanger, they were part of you know a motorcycle club, you know rapist, whatever, like they would open up and talk, and so I was actually able to learn quite a bit from this process, which it ended up helping me a lot when I got into patrol, and so I think all new people that don't have any real understanding about how the criminal world works, how they think, how they- communicate.

Speaker 2: 43:24

Should do time there. They should do time there. For sure for sure, yeah, because you're able to get into some stuff and then have like immediate backup, right like you get on a patrol. You could be, you know, by yourself for four, five, six plus minutes, and if you're fighting that's a long that's a long time.

Speaker 2: 43:40

Yeah, so you've got it. You've got to have some certain skills before you get out there. But yeah, man, so I was 22, I think, when I got to patrol. So I'm green, you know. Limited life experience, you know, brand new married and I actually didn't even grow up wanting to be a cop, like you know some people are. Like you know they want to put a uniform on. That wasn't me, you know. I take a step backwards. It's funny how I actually even got into it, because I was one of my first jobs. I was a bag boy at Albertson, okay, and I was dating the bakery girl, nicole, but that, like the flame, wasn't really there, you know. But one of my favorite dudes that was a checker was named Lincoln McDonald and I could see the twinkle in his eye when he looked over at the bakery section and so I could tell things weren't really going anywhere with Nicole and I.

Speaker 2: 44:37

So I said, hey, man, you want me to introduce you to my girlfriend Really, yeah? And he's like would you Like, is that cool? I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's not a real thing with us, so let me do an intro. They end up getting married and then he Were you invited to their wedding. No, no.

Speaker 1: 44:55

That's kind of that's messed up.

Speaker 2: 44:56

That is messed up. Now that I think about it. I've just kidding. But he became a cop and so, but what he did? So I didn't get an invitation to the wedding, but he did take me for a ride along and, um, I'd literally never thought about getting into law enforcement before. But he takes me out and um, and nothing happened. There was a barking dog call and some people were illegally parked and then we made some traffic stops. But I was thinking, man, this could be cool, because you're out there on the hunt for bad people and you're kind of like this in-between of the good guys and the bad guys. And later I found that's really-between of the good guys and the bad guys. And later, you know, I found that's really the meaning behind the thin blue line, yep, but I started to look into it. And then this was in eastern Idaho, where I was growing up, and Idaho State University in Pocatello had a program, a nine-month program where you would get certified in patrol and detention oh that's nice, yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:07

certified in patrol and detention oh that's nice, yeah, and it was, I mean. So I was like, oh, let me look into this more before I like go all in with the whole thing. And so I enrolled in that program and here here's a funny sub story to this whole story, because of my upbringing and because I I grew up in an environment where there was a lot of attention elsewhere beyond me and my siblings my little sister, molly, for sure, like our whole world revolved around her, and then these other relationships. Dude, I had no idea that college cost money. No, clue.

Speaker 2: 46:40

I had no clue.

Speaker 2: 46:40

You just thought everybody could just go. Well, high school didn't cost money, or at least I didn't think so. Like there was a few bucks for shop class. You know you had to pay for the materials and things, field trip here and there. Yeah, dude. And so I find myself enrolled in this program and like two weeks later I get a call from this lady at the registrar's office. She's like hey, we, how do you plan on paying for this program? And I was all, it costs money. And I think she was like like as, like uh, caught off guard as I was about the question, she was about the, the answer right, and she so there's like silence and like my wheels are turning, like oh shit, how much is this? And she's thinking what the fuck?

Speaker 1: 47:20

is this guy? Where's this guy from?

Speaker 2: 47:21

where's he from? And uh, you're from like I'm from eastern idaho.

Speaker 2: 47:25

You should know this, yeah man, I'm like 20 minutes away, but I like that's not kids, no, college costs money, right, and like that's a. She's probably thinking this dude doesn't have a chance of passing whatever. Whatever program he's in, like this is our starting point, is what we're working with here. Good luck, yeah, dude. So I shot down there. I filled out some like emergency student loan paperwork. It got approved and and I was on my way.

Speaker 2: 47:48

But uh, that's how ill prepared I was for like like stepping out of the house and like entering the real world. That's that's where I was at, um, but I had work, ethic and and a and a good head on my shoulders by way of knowing what I didn't want, like having so much exposure to things that I did not want to have part of it. I operated in that way where it was like, well, I'm just going to do this because all I know is that and that's not healthy, so went through the program. It was actually super fun because Pocatello was attached to the Fort Hall Indian reservation, was attached to the um fort hall indian reservation.

Speaker 1: 48:29

Okay, and um, those guys can drink and they get mean and they fight, and so there was a lot. They get that fire water experience, man, yeah, yeah yeah, and, but they would.

Speaker 2: 48:36

The reservation was only a few miles away from town, like downtown pocatello, so we would constantly get into these pursuits because it was always just a matter of if they could get back to the res, then they were home free. But you know a lot of really good exposure to a lot of problems you know because of it, and so I learned a lot very quickly and got you know a lot of hands-on experience. The res life is wild, yeah, man, it is. It's sad is what it is. It's res life is wild, yeah, man.

Speaker 1: 49:05

It is.

Speaker 2: 49:05

It's sad, is what it is.

Speaker 1: 49:07

It's very sad of how well one obviously everything that's happened. Yeah, it's a little native culture here, yeah. But two, it's like they're stuck on a res and just here you go. Here's a casino, yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:18

Figure it out, yeah.

Speaker 1: 49:19

And I grew up in upstate New York. We're surrounded by res up there and it's just, it's sad, man. Yeah, it's sad, I think, because they get some their little casino check every month or every couple weeks. It helps those people and it just ends up hurting them even more, and drugs and alcohol are just rampant. Yeah, yeah, it's sad. It's a sad community to see.

Speaker 2: 49:52

But then you roll through some other res that have their shit together. You know it's wild, though, dude, with all this, like black lives matter and um, like all of this, this, like, uh, you know you have states like california that are doing these reparations and and stuff. You never hear anything from indians about that stuff. You're like dude. They were like if anybody was going to bitch and like, say, we were saying this forever.

Speaker 1: 50:06

Like I have a couple buddies there nate is actually one of my buddies. His dad's a chief of a huge res in california. Like where, where's their shit? Because we stuck them on some plots and they thought was shit at the time. We ended up. You know some of them were beautiful areas, but we give them a couple casinos and and here you go and they that's Like if anybody needs to be getting taken care of. Like I'm not to get into the whole slavery shit, but you bring this up. It's like there's more slaves now than there was during our slave trade and we won't even get into the history of that. But like how native Americans were treated in this country is mind boggling. That nobody's bitching about it more today, especially with the whole Black Lives Reparation. We get owed money. You have every goddamn thing in the world right now. The Native community has been shit on since day one and nobody talks about it, and not to mention the amount of women and children that are trafficked off reservations. Nobody talks about that.

Speaker 2: 51:04

It's wild right.

Speaker 1: 51:05

I'll get deep in it. Why not? Why don't we hear from them off reservations? Yeah, nobody talks about that. Yeah, he is wild, right, like, what, like why? I'll get deep in why not like.

Speaker 2: 51:08

Why? Why don't we hear from them?

Speaker 1: 51:10

I don't know, I don't know if they just make enough off the there's.

Speaker 2: 51:13

They're just comfortable enough wait, man, there's no way. Like we destroyed, like we like, like giving them is destroyed I'm not trying to make it, I'm the last person, right it's interesting how it's like that like'd be like all right, bro, like that's fair.

Speaker 2: 51:27

Like we fuck up, like we, but they even with like and they're not even trying to ride the coattails, and I don't have an answer for it. I just think it's interesting. Like you would think that if they really wanted to, they could be like. Oh yeah, and by the way, while we're having a conversation about reparations and the white man coming in and just destroying things like throw our name in the hat.

Speaker 1: 51:52

Yeah, move us to the front of the list. If we were going to give reparations and I had to pay reparations, I'd be like, okay, I understand, I get it. I'm not going to be like I'm sorry, I don't know. What happened in the past is the past, but they're still living like that. They're still just completely. Yeah, I get it, it's wild, but working around or living around res, it's a different. There's people in this country that have no idea how they live. You roll through them and it's. I mean, you've got a brand brand new Chrysler sitting on blocks. Yeah, they get paid.

Speaker 2: 52:24

They go buy a white trailer and a single white trailer.

Speaker 1: 52:26

No, half the windows broken out, yeah. And then it's like what do you do?

Speaker 2: 52:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:31

Besides work, the casino or the oil fields or something. Yeah, it's fucked.

Speaker 2: 52:36

Yeah, it's just interesting. I mean, I'd love to hear.

Speaker 1: 52:48

I love to hear. I'd love to hear, like if any of your listeners are, I would love like what their thoughts are on that. I would. Jeremiah, he was an Army sapper. He's good. I want him back on and we're going to talk complete just because he does a lot with the Native women and helping them start jobs and get back up ones that have been physically or mentally abused, all that. He does some really incredible things through the war party tribe that he has going on. But I actually have talked to him. I want him to come on and I want to talk, so he has a voice and I'd love anybody else that just so I want.

Speaker 1: 53:12

Like, why, why is this happening? Why aren't y'all speaking? I mean, I'm sure they are, but how does the black voice so much more powerful than the native voice, is my question. Yeah, yeah, powerful than the native voice, is my question. Yeah, yeah. And why is nobody focusing on the women and children that are being trafficked off these reservations at a cyclic rate? It is mind-blowing. I mean, I don't know how much you had to deal with that, but nationwide.

Speaker 2: 53:36

It's that part I mean. I was. I was just a rookie in the program so I don't. I wasn't to to that side of it, but I actually didn't even know that was a real problem. It's huge.

Speaker 1: 53:47

Nobody does, no one does. And these there's because once they leave the res, they're taking them. Their voice is gone. Who's trafficking them? Yeah, who. Who do you know? Oh, there's so many. I'm I ain't getting in a rabbit hole about that, but I want to know, like why? Why is this not a topic? Yeah, why are we worried about helping a criminal in California? He could steal up to an X amount of dollars now out of a CVS and he's completely safe, but like we're not worrying about children that are just disappearing off reservations.

Speaker 2: 54:16

Yeah, man, I I think we're going to see a lot of changes here in the next two months. I think we're going to find that there's going to be a lot of attention on a lot of areas that have been neglected and there's some people that need to be really worried. But for you and I and others like us, we have a lot of reason to be super optimistic.

Speaker 1: 54:35

I just want to see everything outed Because I'm so sick of the media. That's. My biggest thing with this whole political environment was the propaganda. I mean, did you see? I just saw a study? It was like 2 700 people committed suicide the day that trump was. They declared it no, there was.

Speaker 1: 54:52

There's dudes. This one guy killed his whole entire family in himself because trump won. Tell me that is not propaganda, tell me it's not. Look, I'm voting for the people. If harris was the right for the people, I don't give a shit. I'm fuck the left, fuck the right, I'm fuck the government as a whole. None of them are after us. I'm going to go toward my morals, values and for the people and what makes sense. And what's been going on the last four years doesn't make sense. But you look at the propaganda that we've been fed and that people are so convinced that he's a warmonger, the world's going to end that this dude killed his whole family. That is 100% propaganda. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:37

Yeah, I mean, look, if you truly believed that Hitler reincarnated, was that just won the presidency Like, and you really, really believe that you're going to do some really extreme shit? A hundred percent, how did?

Speaker 1: 55:52

they get. How did? How did somebody that has all the access in the world at their fingertips? He's a racist. Find me a clip where he's a racist that he's legit Cause before he was running for presidency, the, the rap community, oprah, all the big giant celebrities in the black community, all supported trump.

Speaker 1: 56:13

Then, once the narrative and the agenda was pushed, yeah, yeah you see, like how things are changed and so that's like it's. It's that. That's. What's scary to me is that we I that's what I want to see changed is the media needs to be completely swiped. I think these three letter agencies that are against us the FBI, all that those all need to go away, those all need to rehaul and I want everything out of the Russia collusion. Hillary, biden Obama, I just want to see it. Yeah, just make it public. So, biden Obama, I just want to see it, just make it public. So then, when people argue it, but still they're so far gone. If you're that far gone that you're willing to hurt yourself over a man being elected, you can read it all day and you can't process it. That's the world we live in.

Speaker 2: 57:02

Yeah, yeah, but you know it's. I mean, you know, with Trump this not being, or this being, his last go at it, right, and there's no reelection. He needs to worry about control of the House, control of the Senate. We see who he's picking for his cabinet. That's so awesome, yeah, and there's, I think, there's a major shakeup. His cabinet so awesome, yeah, and there's, there's, I think, there's a major shakeup. I think there's probably quite a number of people who are very nervous right now in DC. Yes, and for good reason.

Speaker 1: 57:32

It's. I have a feeling like it's going to get when people are pushed and scared scary things happen.

Speaker 2: 57:39

Well, trump's been asked are you going to release the details of the jfk assassination? Are you going to release the details of the um, um, weinstein, uh, or the list? Yeah, harvey or not. Weinstein um harvey yeah, are you going to release that, that list and and and, um, you know, and just all, like ufos, like he's he's saying he's going to, he has he's going to put in front of the people has to I mean you got rfk, that's in the cabinet. Of course he's got a vested interest what a flex.

Speaker 1: 58:10

What happened? Yeah, what a flex to go from democrat to now as a, as a holding a seat in the senate or wherever he's putting him in in charge of the health yeah, the hell, yeah, yeah, I mean, but like, like you're saying, it's about the people, right?

Speaker 2: 58:23

So when you see, like you know whether it's Tulsi Gabbard who goes from the left to the right or RFK, you know just the people he's surrounding himself with. I think the first time around he didn't really know how he admitted to that, did he?

Speaker 1: 58:39

I saw an interview on it. He said which was fascinating because that was one of my biggest bitches about him last time where that's he was a trump was a big reason why I was like fuck the government. Because he came in, he was trolling everybody. He's got all his little clips from hillary and cool right, like, yeah, shut up, yeah, change our country, yeah. And then when he brought in fauci and all these he had I saw an interview he was was like I had no idea what I was doing and he goes and everything was. I was given the teams, the teams were appointed to me. He goes.

Speaker 1: 59:11

That was my biggest failure was one. I had no experience and I had no team that backed me. He goes. That's where I failed. On the last one, he goes and it had to happen this way. I had to learn Now. We had to happen this way. I had to learn now. We're ready.

Speaker 1: 59:26

And I was like, okay, because my biggest thing was was public education, because michelle obama I believe she was the one that implemented common core, where these kids are two plus two equals five. Cool, if you could tell me how you got it. It's correct, right, like basic common course. That was a big reason we pulled our kids. We're done with this and we're not. No, we're done. And it never went away. Yeah, it's like not, but now leaving it up to each state. I mean, so the things he's saying now this is what I was hoping for the first time, but like now you got one more shot, bro, like this, is it? Yeah, and then now he's stacking all the houses, senate, with now this gen, or millennial gen, z-ish era. So instead of bringing in all these dinosaurs, I think RFK is one of the oldest guys.

Speaker 2: 1:00:08

Oh yeah, I think mid-30s is the median age of his cabinet right now.

Speaker 1: 1:00:14

That's the next boom. Yeah, and so now we have all of these, I want to see term limits. I want it all, everything that we're bitching about you know what makes me nervous dude.

Speaker 2: 1:00:24

So what's today? The the 21st right of october, so we're a couple days ago, you know, the biden administration approved these missiles long-range missiles you have to get sent into to russia, and then either it was yesterday or today.

Speaker 2: 1:00:40

So one of my favorite podcasts is obviously yours is number one, and then Patrick, but David is is number two, and so I'm listening to, to his podcast on the way in, and, and Russia has has now said that they are going. He has approved, putin has approved, like World War III measures or something along along those lines, war three measures or something along along those lines, and and that if they get hit by long-range missiles, they're um, they're basically green lighting the nuclear program, and they sent in some icbms, without the warhead, just to prove the point, and hit, uh, ukraine, um, with those, and and so you know what, what is trump actually stepped, what? What is he going to be stepping into when he takes the presidency? And and what's going to happen over the next two months? Because a lot can happen, oh, dude, I mean it could like. Let's just say so here's.

Speaker 2: 1:01:40

Here's an interesting thing that I'm okay. How is this going to work out? Because North Korean troops have been sent in, right? And the US government continues to say, I think somewhat vaguely, that they are now legitimate targets, right? So are we going to see? Here's my Conspiracy, or your prediction predict I will save a prediction more conspiracy that russia's like, okay, assholes, you send in another long range on our territory. Like we're going full, full nuke on you. And so, uh, zelensky's gonna be like, all right, well shit, um, north korea is a legitimate target. Now they've sent in their things. We're going to be like all right, well shit, north Korea is a legitimate target. Now they've sent in their things. We're going to send these long ranges into North Korea.

Speaker 1: 1:02:30

See, I don't think it's Zelensky, I think it's the US, it's Obama and everybody that's running him now because he's our puppet. Okay, this is your next decision, this is your next play.

Speaker 1: 1:02:42

Meaning what you think that they will send, oh, 100, 100 into north korea. This is their last. This is their last. Hail mary. I think that's where world war three would kick off, right before trump steps in, and then it just fucks everything, because then he's going to be trying to put out fires the whole entire time, and that's like like yeah, I mean not just fire like an inferno dude.

Speaker 2: 1:03:00

I mean it's like you know, send it. We start sending him now. Like, yeah, north Korea, you like you entered the war, dude. Like you, you're not just supplying weapons and equipment anymore. Like you're, you're putting in war fighters. So you know there's consequences for that. So I mean, but North Korea is unhinged dude, and so that's my concern with this whole thing, and so that's my concern with this whole thing. But it's like why, within a couple of months, are things that we have been saying Ukraine cannot do, now all of a sudden they can do, and now Trump or Putin is like rewriting their whole approval process for sending in nukes and the rhetoric is really ramping up.

Speaker 1: 1:03:44

Well, it's funny, because the second that trump won the election, putin came out was like I'm ready to negotiate, I'm ready to end the war, and then a week later we're sending long-range missiles in.

Speaker 2: 1:03:53

Yeah, and then tell me, tell me how that's america first, with, with, with, approving this and like and ramping up the the for for what?

Speaker 1: 1:04:04

yeah, this is my biggest thing. Make I say it in almost every. Make it make sense, say it on almost every podcast was let me make it make sense one why are we there, mm-hmm to why are we sending in long-range missiles? Right before this presidency ends, before the warmonger steps in and takes over, make it make sense. It's their last ditch effort to try to start this, this agenda of yeah just world control and having another giant war on our hands.

Speaker 2: 1:04:32

You get to ask that question, though, and, like in, you and your brothers and sisters, like get to ask that question because you lost friends, you, you, you experienced war, uh, and, and all the consequences of that. For what, though? That's what I'm saying. Why?

Speaker 1: 1:04:50

why were we in iraq? Right, there's no weapons.

Speaker 2: 1:04:53

There was never a weapon that's why you get to ask that question never, we never.

Speaker 1: 1:04:58

It's hard because I saw the good we did while we were there. You know, like opening up these little towns and villages that we would take over the. You know, at the time we called them the muja deem, whatever name we had for him at the time when we would take over that. You know, at the time we called them the muja deem, whatever name we had for him at the time when we were taking over. So we I I got we used to escort kids to schools every day. They would literally like a bus stop. We would roll in as a patrol and we'd be in the front, back and middle and we'd walk these kids to school. I watched engineers build playgrounds and rebuild schools and chairs and desks and everything, so like I got to see the good that happened while we were there. But why the fuck are we there? Yeah, why why are? Did we lose so many men and women over there? For what? And then afghan? Why? Why are we in these wars?

Speaker 2: 1:05:42

what did that do to morale and things, as that started to like really root in. I mean, we're there for two decades, so how, like you're over there? What was the mood of the troops when I wasn't?

Speaker 1: 1:05:51

in afghan as in active duty. I was a contractor in afghan, so for us it was there's free reigns and we got to do whatever we wanted. But I mean, in iraq, we, you were. We were told the narrative where their hearts and minds were there to help the country and liberate these people. And and then you're there and you're like.

Speaker 2: 1:06:09

But I mean, we found out pretty quick that what government said.

Speaker 1: 1:06:11

I had joined, I remember there like there was no, never a web. We weren't taking oil. We're not taking. There's no weapons of mass destruction. Why are we losing men and women? It's all dollars, man. Yeah, that's how the rich yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:06:22

Yeah, yeah, and I think that that's that's when you, when you talk about America, first you start talking about like what's in it, you know, for the American people. I think that's why we saw such a a huge movement towards Trump, because people are fed up with being spoon fed lies and propaganda and and like you don't have to even really be paying too close attention to be like if you just follow the money and you look at, make it make sense. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 1: 1:06:55

Where's the money going? Why? Why are? Do we have politicians where their kids are on oil companies, the board members of oil companies in ukraine? Yeah, that we're now going to war with russia with. Make that make sense. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:07:10

Let's figure out what's going on with Burisma, right? I think that the Hillary Clinton bleaching of her servers and things like all of those things. I really hope that we get exposed to the behind the scenes of those and we I mean the presidency owes it to the American people for us to understand what's going on.

Speaker 1: 1:07:33

We're the people, they work for us, which is where the left, I feel, has completely lost it. And so that's where I think a lot of these people, so many liberals, democrats I think that's where the left really screwed up was pushing so hard the agenda that they were just like I don't support this, this lbgt shit, yeah, the abortion shit, just. I mean, what is a woman identify? It's too much. And now, and it sucks, because I remember you when you I don't know if you remember when you're a kid like you would hear somebody who was a democrat or a republican, it didn't matter, nobody cared. Now there's marriages ending over.

Speaker 1: 1:08:11

Now it's you people like oh, you're gonna, you're gonna judge somebody off of what they're voting for. Now it's like I, you have to, because if you're still believing this shit I, there's nothing that you will provide for me or my family that I want to even deal with if your mindset still is still thinking like this. And, like I said, I'm f every party, they're all. They're all politicians. I'm anti-government, anti-politicians, but if I have, we have to go a certain route. Yeah, I'm gonna go for the people. And it's like you want higher taxes, you want to go to war, you support the slaughtering of kids up to right before they're born. To me, if you're like yes, this guy's a warmonger and a racist, so I'm going to vote this way. Sorry, I can't at this point. I can't process it.

Speaker 1: 1:08:59

And it sucks that a line has been drawn that much in this country now. But at the same time, look at how this country voted. We're not the minority we feel like the minority.

Speaker 1: 1:09:07

We feel like the minority because nobody speaks the fuck up anymore. It's the. It's the little ones that are chirping, these little antifa gay pride, not even gay. Now there's a division in the gay, lbg, lb, whatever community. Now they're like we're not claiming these people, they're too far. Like you're bringing kids into this, now we're out. So it's like this these little groups are the ones that are that. They're the ones, the little chihuahua that has the loudest bark. And then you got these big, giant pit bulls. They're just laying there chilling. Now they're starting to wake up. Now the country's coming around and it was. It was. It brought a lot of hope, man and I I had a it. I didn't realize how much just hate and stress and anxiety I've had the last four years. It it's just been built and as soon as I saw those numbers, it was like this wave off of me. I'm like, oh, I can breathe again. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:09:51

Especially being a veteran or law enforcement. I mean, you've seen how everything's evolved. Yeah, Crime rates have gone up. Yeah, Across the whole country Everything is.

Speaker 2: 1:09:59

It's just been just oh yeah, I mean that and it's also just what we've learned around the weaponization of the. You know the government around, you know politics and people, and just to see how much is going on behind the scenes where you don't even have to know, like all the ins and outs of it. But you're like that this just doesn't pass a sniff test. Like why is? Why is the fbi doing this? Like why, why were there 50, some odd high-ranking officials that all said that the hunter biden laptop was fake, was false russian propaganda? Um, when there's proof of it, when there's proof of it, when there's proof of it, and they knew it was proof of it. I mean you're talking about the heads of CIA and FBI.

Speaker 1: 1:10:52

And then you have you know, If we can't trust them, who can we trust?

Speaker 2: 1:10:55

That's what I mean. It's like that when you talk about that sigh of relief, it's like you know I'm not personally being sought after by the feds. I wasn't the one that had to deal with all of those lawsuits and things that Trump did, but it's happening. But I mean this is our government and to see that okay, if it can happen to these people, who are we All day long and we don't have the financial resources to be able to, or power they could destroy anybody, right and amongst all the other things. You know the inflation, the nonsense around. You know trans people reading to our kids in schools, like all of like the obvious nonsense. You look at the the big picture side of what's happening behind the scenes. You're like we've got to deal with it. There is a swamp. There is a swamp that needs to be drained.

Speaker 1: 1:11:45

And no denying it. No, and there's no denying the agendas that are being pushed. I've had a physical therapist that I'd work with and we're very opposite, but we'd have adult conversations about it and he would just be trying to convince me this is a normal thing and I'm like bro, look at the numbers, Look at the numbers. And how—.

Speaker 2: 1:12:06

What was he saying was?

Speaker 1: 1:12:06

normal Critical race theory and, like teaching kids, he thought it was fine for them to be able to be taught by trans at such a young age, is he? A parent no.

Speaker 2: 1:12:15

Of course, okay, that's why.

Speaker 1: 1:12:17

So that he would ask me my parent opinion of having children. And I'm like first off, if your children still believe in Santa Claus or the Easter bunny, it's a fucking mythical creature. No shit. You can convince them to think that being cutting their dick off, or they can be a boy and dress like this and that's normal. No shit, it's indoctrination. You can train anybody at any age, yeah, but he them enough shit. And it would, and so it would.

Speaker 2: 1:12:44

I would come home like you know just being, was he curious, open and having a conversation, or had he taken a position that that's okay?

Speaker 1: 1:12:52

He 100% took a position, but he was open for my opinion so it never got heated because you know I'd be getting worked on. So it's not like I can tell this dude to like get fucked, but it would always blow my mind when I would leave there. I'm like God, dude, wait till you have a child. And then now your child comes home. I'm like Dad, why don't I? I would be devastated because it's an agenda. And then you look at the numbers. I'd be like bro, look at the charts of how they skyrocket in the last five years. That's an agenda If it's a natural Like transgender.

Speaker 2: 1:13:24

Yeah, it's being pushed.

Speaker 1: 1:13:25

I'm like if it's not being pushed, your bar, your charts don't just skyrocket, unless it's being there's a driven agenda behind something and he just. Well, I think everybody has a right. Yeah, everybody has a right to whatever, but not with children. Not with kids Leave it alone, and that's where I think everything started to get pushed too hard in this country.

Speaker 2: 1:13:43

It was like okay even the left man, I, this country, was like okay, Even the left man I have kids.

Speaker 1: 1:13:46

Just because you're a Democrat doesn't mean you 100% support that.

Speaker 2: 1:13:52

And that's when everybody started waking up. Well, let's see how smart the left is with really taking a look at why did they lose every swing state, why did they lose so much ground and have so much movement of traditionally Democratic voting minorities? That was wild.

Speaker 1: 1:14:08

Yeah, wild, that swing states haven't gone red in 20 plus years or more.

Speaker 2: 1:14:15

Not like they did this time Gone Now.

Speaker 1: 1:14:17

We just need to keep the momentum as we, obviously for the people side.

Speaker 2: 1:14:23

But it's just. We need to hold Trump accountable. We need to hold him.

Speaker 1: 1:14:26

Very much so.

Speaker 2: 1:14:28

The promises that he said that he's made to us. We need to hold trump accountable.

Speaker 2: 1:14:32

We need to hold him very much promises that he said, he, he, that he's made to us. We need to hold him accountable to it and time will tell. But, um, you know, indications look good by way of of how he's setting things up. I mean, I am a huge fan of the decisions he's made around um rfk and rfk's position on, like attacking all these companies that are poisoning our foods and our kids and our people make it make sense of why the chemicals that are in our food are in there.

Speaker 1: 1:14:59

Yeah, why? Yeah, when you can go to any of these other countries and travel and eat everything that you want over there and you gain zero weight, then you come back here and you're putting on pounds within days.

Speaker 2: 1:15:08

Yeah, why do?

Speaker 1: 1:15:09

our children being fed cereal that is just nothing but chemicals and sugars every day for breakfast. And then we send these boys off to school and then they're getting diagnosed with ADHD because you fed your kid pure shit and lock them in a room all day to sit and stare at a teacher. I couldn't sit still.

Speaker 2: 1:15:29

Yeah, yeah. What's our youth? What's the probability of our youth succeeding when, when all of the food is nutrition nutrient deficient, it's full of of chemicals and shit that is not good?

Speaker 2: 1:15:41

for us, and then you go and you put them in front of a you know a transvestite reading them a book about why giving blow jobs when you're six years old is fine and um. And then you know superintendents and boards saying that it's none of the parents business if, if the kids feel like they want different pronouns, it's like like of course our kids are going to grow up and and um, be very confused, very conflicted. Look what's going on like. Look we're. Look at the base of everything. It's a war on the parents too. Dude. I mean you and I as parents. I mean you guys have done a great job, you've got great kids, and Chris and I we feel very fortunate. We get compliments on our son all the time too. But you know it's been a campaign. It's hard man.

Speaker 1: 1:16:23

Yeah it's hard, you it's hard, man it's hard. You feel like everything's against you.

Speaker 2: 1:16:27

Well, and we have to make some extreme moves, right Like, our son hasn't gone to a public school in quite a while. He's in a private school. You know, we pay over $1,200 a month for him to be in this private school, and we're thankful that it's an option because they're a school. That's all about. You know, saying the Pledge of Allegiance and entrepreneurism and do not subscribe whatsoever to this whole indoctrination stuff, and but you know, we were in a position where we can pay that. There's.

Speaker 2: 1:16:57

There's many, many families who they don't have that kind of extra income and and so they've got to work, they can't keep their kids at home, they can't homeschool, and it's just. It's a trap, dude. And so Linda McMahon it looks like she'll be the head of the Department of Education. I actually had a good fortune Our first company that we started in 2013, about 2018 or so, when she was the head of the SBA. She came through our business because we had an SBA loan for our first company we started, and so what's interesting is that it looks like she's going to get brought in for the Department of Education, but Vivek and Musk have already said that the Department of Education is going to get axed. They're going to put it back on the states, so it's almost like she's getting brought in just to be part of the facilitation of, like you know, downgrading it from the Fed side.

Speaker 2: 1:17:55

But, like all like Musk and Ramaswamy they're, I think they're going to come in and they're going to just absolutely clean house and it'll be really interesting to see what happens to our debt, our national debt, and how self-sufficient we can become. I think he gave them until like 2026 or so to get shit done, and so I think we're going to see some really big shifts and there's a lot of reasons why people that right now are afraid they're, they're scared, they, they're anticipating the worst. I think that they're going to be very surprised and, whether you know, whether they're going to be willing to admit it or not like there's a lot of people that bought the vaccine hook line and sinker right and they made everybody else feel terrible that wasn't willing to take it.

Speaker 2: 1:18:49

I mean, my wife was in Costco one time and there was a lady that walked up to her. This was like in the midst of COVID, but Costco was essential. So if you needed an 87-inch TV or a pack of 300 thongs or whatever you know, you could go to Costco and you get it. This lady comes up to her and my wife's, like you know, just doing her thing, and this lady, like you know, four masks on and gloves and the whole thing. She picks up a pair of gloves, you know, from this dirty ass cart with her dirty ass hands even if they're in gloves, the gloves have been touching everything and then throws them into my wife's cart and says you have a responsibility to other people to protect us. So asked her to put those gloves on and I just politely declined and went on our way.

Speaker 2: 1:19:45

But you know there's a lot of people that today will still refuse to accept what we now know about the vaccines and what we know without question we were spoon fed lies around, you know its ability to transmit afterwards and how if you were taking a vaccine you were protecting other people's all bullshit, and but you know, some people are just still simply not willing to back down, like they double down, triple down on their argument and um, and the hope is that when people start to see what this new administration does, that they're willing to say okay, he's not a racist, you're not a racist for voting for him. I'm not a racist for voting for him. The cabinet that he put into place really did serve the country well. Hopefully they will see that and recognize that. You know they've been voting left and not reaping any of the benefits of it. Like you know, the crime keeps climbing and people's lives just generally those that are living in like deep blue states generally not getting better as time goes on.

Speaker 1: 1:21:03

It's like Newsom. How was that just didn't be present?

Speaker 2: 1:21:06

one day, Unless he Mark.

Speaker 1: 1:21:10

I don't think. I think he had a shot, not anymore, I don't.

Speaker 2: 1:21:13

He's ruined. I think he'll be there.

Speaker 1: 1:21:15

Unless it's rigged. There's no way he'll ever, because right now I think that Grant Cordon, or whatever, is now running for him against in California. Oh, really, I just saw that come out like yesterday, the day before which that'll be interesting. I'm not a fan of, really a huge fan of him, but um, oh shit, what was I saying? Um, fuck, I lost my train of thought on that one.

Speaker 2: 1:21:38

but yeah, I don't know oh.

Speaker 1: 1:21:39

Newsome. Um, like people keep voting for him. You just walk I just watched a video of these three women. They literally filled laundry hampers full of stuff in like a CVS, and just walk out the front door and they couldn't do anything about it. And people are bitching about it. It's like you vote for this. You allow this.

Speaker 1: 1:22:00

There's maps of shit in San Francisco and it marks the whole entire city Just brown spots all over it. You voted for this cisco and it marks the whole entire city just brown spots all over it. You voted for this. My buddy was telling me that where he lives in cali that the community came together and cleaned up the homeless on the street and then they put these big planners in, but the the community paid for them put these big pots like giant pots in and they put all these flowers and trees and all that stuff. The state came in and ripped it all out because they needed the room for the homeless to be able to live on the sidewalks. And they're bitching about it. I'm like how do you bitch about it? You vote for this. I know, not the majority but in the cities.

Speaker 1: 1:22:35

It's like New York man, it's like Oregon. You drive around in Oregon like when I'm guiding over there. Everywhere there's Trump flags in every yard. But look at Portland, owns, owns, new york, san francisco, san diego, la, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:22:51

So I get it there's not everybody, but time to start waking up. Yeah, yeah, dude, yeah, I think we woke up. I think it is, I think the sleeping bear I, I, I was with you with newsome.

Speaker 1: 1:22:59

I I felt that if um kamala came in, he was going to be brought in after her. But I think now there's there's no going back unless Trump really fucks the pooch on this next election. But even still, with the House and the Senate, the moves and hopefully the things that they're able to change, that everybody goes okay. Life is good. My taxes are down, businesses are booming, the economy is thriving, fuel prices are down. Why would you want to change that? I don't care who steps in ahead of next in charge on the left. Good luck. Good luck Because everybody's seen Newsom and what a weasel he is in the whole country.

Speaker 1: 1:23:38

He's only got some of California's support. He's got three cities that support him. Good luck, unless there is a major drive and we lose. We lose marketing, we lose the, the uh media. So you know, all the platforms go back to. You know, just the same shit they did with trump every, every time. But if they show up and things change, how, how? The only person out of this whole thing I don't like is um. What is it?

Speaker 1: 1:24:04

matt gate, the gates not a fan of him. Yeah, I don't like him. I never have. Yeah, I don't like his eyebrows.

Speaker 1: 1:24:11

Oh, he's just they're, they're fucking yeah, looks like he's got botox and had like a facelift, yeah, and he's just. He trolls too much. I'm done with the trolling shit. It was cool the first election and you know the little one-liners that made all the memes and make trump cool. I'm done with it. I want everybody to shut the fuck up and change this country and get it back on track. That's where I'm at with it. I don't care about the memes and the clips and for social Done, I'm done with it. Get us back on track, yeah man.

Speaker 2: 1:24:41

Get us out of the wars Get us out of the nonsense, close the borders.

Speaker 1: 1:24:45

Focus on us up, focus on us as Americans. Yeah, get our kids. You know we don't have to worry about it, our kids will never go back to public school. But it's sad, man. It's so, like you said, you're fortunate enough to have your kid in public school. Kids have two, three, four kids. They can't there's no. It's sad.

Speaker 1: 1:25:10

I feel bad for people that have that are forced to send their kids to public school every day. Because do you trust the government? Oh, absolutely not. You trust them with your children. Yeah, even if it's a great teacher my kids had when they were in, some of the greatest teachers they had. I mean they'd call nick. I mean they're teachers spoiled like, because you know kids are polite and you just don't be a little asshole and people like you. And so even when they were in school they had incredible teachers, especially here. But I'll never go back. It's not even the teachers, it's the environment. And then with her she is a really good youth group that she goes to, and so all of her friends are from all over the valley, so she gets invited to all the dances and football games, so she gets to experience all the high schools, not just one. She'll come home, I'm good. I'm good? No, not for me. Because she sees how cannibalistic these kids are. The depression that just rapes these kids, I mean, just runs wild through them.

Speaker 2: 1:26:14

The, the, the drama, the bullying, no no, that's the responsibility we have as dads too, I believe, like you know, for for you raising girls like it's, it's essential that you're showing them. Like you know, for for you raising girls like it's, it's essential that you're showing them, like, what does it mean to be a man? What does it mean to like? How does a man treat a woman? Um, what does a healthy relationship look?

Speaker 1: 1:26:37

like Dating your daughter. I think is a huge one and I tell people that and they always look at me weird. Yeah, like you don't date your daughter, they're like.

Speaker 2: 1:26:43

What do you mean? Oh, you dated her at the mastermind. It sounds like.

Speaker 1: 1:26:46

Yeah right, that's my wife.

Speaker 2: 1:26:47

You went a little bit too far. You didn't just date her, you married her. Yeah right.

Speaker 1: 1:26:51

Taking your daughter out and showing her, going to dinner and just talking, talking, letting them. I don't want to hear fucking boy, shit, like it's just, but I have to. I talk, I want to hear, I don't want to hear, I don't want to, but you have to, right. And I'm at the point now where I know where she is mentally because where she's dealt with boys and now she's smart enough to realize, like because I've ingrained in her, one of the biggest lessons is make them work for it. If you are worth it and you know your values and your morals which she does, we're, we're good, right, no, that's always going to be learning.

Speaker 1: 1:27:24

But once I this is where I feel a lot of fathers really lose track with their daughters. It's more, they're more worried. And I was at at first, were there were my role as a father, especially a girl, that my position is their personal security guard Until the day I take my last fucking breath. No ifs, ands or buts, I don't care if they're married, they call me on the phone, I'm whooping ass, I don't care, that is my job. But as I've evolved and matured and grown, it's not just protecting and shielding boys, it's hey, let's learn ourselves, let's earn our value in who you are and if you truly know yourself these little shits, make them work for it, because they don't. They don't. These kids come. Kids come in through snap, yo, what's up? They're just. I don't have to teach them that her, that these kids are all little fucks. She just is now realizing this and seeing this because these kids don't want to put in the time. It's because these girls that are missing their fathers, missing that father influence, these boys come along and it's instant. They're sucked, sucked right into it. I'm in love. Oh my God, he's the greatest thing ever.

Speaker 1: 1:28:30

And then here's my daughter. Like you've known this kid three days, you talk on Snapchat, you go out in public and you guys can't even have a conversation with each other, but then you go home and you could talk on Snapchat till three in the morning and she's like dad, this doesn't, this doesn't, doesn't, make sense. I'm like because, if you're worth it and you know your value, make this kid work for it. He puts in the time, comes and meets the family and that's one of our rules if you want to date, your boyfriend, future boyfriend has a date me. I don't want this kid sitting at my dinner table flipping his hair fire. Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not dealing with it. I'm I'm not dealing with it.

Speaker 1: 1:29:11

Yeah, she could bring over a hundred boys. Cool, I'm not dealing with it. You're gonna sit in my home and come to my. You're gonna have a conversation with me. You're gonna look me in my eyes. I want to get to know you. If you're gonna be spending time with my daughter, that means you're spending time with us. We're a tight family. So if you're in my daughter's life, you're in my life, and if the little one doesn't like you, good fucking luck, buddy, good luck. That's the gatekeeper. It ain't me or your mom. It's a little sis. Little sis ain't checking off on you. Have a nice life. It was, it was, it was good to meet you, bud, see you later and that's how it is. And so, like that's where I think just like, oh, boys, or they just don't care.

Speaker 1: 1:29:45

I see these dads, their daughters, around at three in the morning at parties. 16 years old, you're allowing your daughter to dress the way she is and be out at three in the morning at a party. I don't know what happened. I don't know what went wrong. You, you were what went wrong because you weren't in your daughter's life. You thought you were the cool dad. You weren't the father, you were just being a cool dad.

Speaker 1: 1:30:08

That's where these dudes fuck up. Yeah, and I see it every day. And I was like I'm sorry, kid, this is who I am and this is who we are. There's no, I'm not changing, I'm not bending the knee for anything. She she called dad. We're all going to this place. Where are you cool?

Speaker 1: 1:30:21

I track everything. I see everything. Dad, can I get an extra hour? Yeah, go ahead. She's never given me a reason to say no. There's times, school nights and shit, and I don't want to be able to get your ass home. No, mom and I are ready for bed. Go. She's never given me a reason to not, right, but until that time comes, cool Day we're all going to have the youth group. We're all going to go to In-N-Out and hang out.

Speaker 1: 1:30:49

I don't question anything because I know she knows her values and these boys can spit all the game in the world. Oh, dude, I met this new boy. He's really cute. I'm like cool, come talk to me in two weeks. What happened? Ugh, ugh.

Speaker 1: 1:30:57

I'm like yeah, exactly, exactly. You didn't have to kiss, you didn't even hold hands. You didn't give yourself up to these kids, like all these girls are doing at this age. Make him work. If you're worth it, that little motherfucker will put in the work to get to know you and us as a family. That's the best way to wean these kids out. Make them work for it. I don't have to do anything. I'm on idle pilot now, don't get me wrong, my guard's not down. I'm watching every one of these kids. But now she's on cruise, she kids, but now she's, she's on, she's just cruises. All these little, little athletes. I'm like, oh, fuck, the football player. All right, I don't have to worry about this kid, I'm good. Week later I'm good. Yeah, she told me the other day, this kid. I'm sitting there and the kid put his hand on my leg. I'm like what'd you do? She went whack and whacked his hand up. Okay, cool, you can handle yourself. You two gotta do a podcast we're going to to.

Speaker 2: 1:31:46

Yeah, I'd love to hear the perspective from your standpoint on what you feel was done to get you to that point, to where you operate in the world that you do, because that's a real blessing for a parent, right when you have that kind of trust in your kids that way, biggest blessing. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:32:08

Brent and I talk about it constantly how blessed we we are. We can leave money on the table. Yeah, don't have to worry about our kids.

Speaker 2: 1:32:13

There's a lot of parents. I mean you're even talking about meeting kids where they they are not meeting the standard you're meeting. You know these boys and you know, if I were you I'd like I'd walk around that spear. I mean having a beautiful daughter and the 16-year-old knowing how 16-year-old boys think, and you know, I mean, we know what we were thinking when we were that age.

Speaker 1: 1:32:38

But I've taught her how boys think and, honestly, what's helped a lot is her being raised in the outdoors. So I'm like hey, because she's like they just want to be friends. And I. So I'm like hey, because she's like they just want to be friends. I'm like christy, honey, rut is full-on. That 15 year, 14, 15. You remember when we're out and we're chasing bulls and the rut just switches overnight and they're all full lip curled. From now until you you're in your 30s, they're full rut. They only care about one thing and then she'll see it's like, oh, my god, he's so nice. And then they fuck up because they just these kids, these boys aren't raised correctly. The biggest problem are the fathers that aren't raising their sons actually how to treat a woman, because they don't have to now.

Speaker 1: 1:33:20

Now it's yo. What's your snap? She gets asked constantly. I told her I was one of the biggest red flags. If a boy asks you for your snap before your name or your phone number, or even gets to know you, red flag, which she's not allowed to have. Snapchat, that's 100, absolutely no in our home. That's one thing I will never give into. Snapchat, that is the platform built by the devil himself. So these boys, yo, what's your snap? She's like no thanks, oh, it's like that. And then she's not like you're not gonna get to know me. She stood up, this kid that was all in into her. He was blown away because they all met as a group. And she stood up and shook this kid's hand. He was like, in fact, obsessed over. He's like I've never, I've never had a girl look and shake my hand before. He's like who are you? It's like.

Speaker 2: 1:34:01

What are your thoughts on the fact that you've raised such a strong, independent daughter and very strong-willed, very clear-eyed, and that what's the probability that having an alpha-type head of household, like I'm, the leader of the house, is going to be a good potential fit for for her being?

Speaker 1: 1:34:29

that she's also because, then, we have to have somebody to wear the pants right or be like we've had this conversation and I've I've kind of joked in in a way, like you guys are going to have to. You guys are going to probably marry not a beta dude, but especially she's. She's very even keeled, the little one she's. I'm a marshal, I'm not changing my last name, she's the prideful one we're like, oh, like, don't change your last name. I'm like, yeah, fuck that you're a marshal.

Speaker 2: 1:34:56

You don't have to change your name for shit.

Speaker 1: 1:34:58

You know that way your bloodline lives on it's just going to come down to who treats them the best, and I feel like that's going to be for her to be able. I don't care who she brings, as long as he respects her and respects her values and us as a family and our rules. I don't care.

Speaker 2: 1:35:12

So if he was the one, that was like taking the orders and Honestly, personally, as a father, I'm You're fine with that? Okay, okay, yeah, that's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 1: 1:35:20

Now at this point. But I don't as with her, like when I hug my daughter, I hug them. I hold my daughters and so she'll like Dan, his, his hands were little and he could barely. It's like she she said it. She's like dad, when they like somebody will hug me, she's like it's gross. She's like they don't. She's like I'm so used to hugging a man. She's like that's what I'm attracted to, not me.

Speaker 1: 1:35:47

but that's what I'm attracted to is a physically like a man and so somebody that isn't something, and I'm like well, they're also 16-year-old kids, they still got some growing to do. I'm like so listen, just don't even worry about dating until you're like 25.

Speaker 2: 1:36:03

Or later, later or even past that, or later Later or even past that.

Speaker 1: 1:36:07

But yeah, no it's an interesting time but, like the one biggest thing that I love is like oh good luck, man, you got beautiful daughters. I don't. I've invested in my daughters. My wife is invested in our daughters on everything. Our kids don't come home. She does not come home and just go straight to her room and we don't see her. She comes in and tells us about everything the drama, the boys, the girls, everything that's happening. We know everything that's going on in our kids' life.

Speaker 1: 1:36:33

There's things with me as a dad where I've told the wife hey, girl stuff developing teenage shit, I'm good, I don't, that's women's shit. I don't need to be filled in all that Everything else protection, knowledge-wise. I be filled in all that everything else protection, knowledge wise and you know what's going on, the trends, the fads. I want to know it all because you need to know where your kids are. But, like us being so invested in our children, which is so hard, but having them home for breakfast, lunch and dinner, I know everything and it's and it's. I think that has helped so much to be able to know who your kids really are. They're not in school all day, they're not falling into the fads and the trends because they're getting bullied because they don't have the new stuff, like we don't worry about that shit.

Speaker 2: 1:37:14

So what's, what's your advice to parents when they don't have the luxury of having like homeschool, or maybe even, like you know, the the single, single families. But what's what's your? Your the single, single families. But what's what's your your advice on how, for people who have kids where they're like man, my son would never have a shot at a girl like that because of the way Bam's describing this, like he's describing my son that you know. I would like to parent them different.

Speaker 1: 1:37:43

Respect and confidence. Respect and confidence. None of them have it anymore. Zero respect on how they talk and treat these girls. And the problem is a lot of these girls come from broken homes. They don't have the father figure, so these boys don't. They don't have to work, it's so easy. They just these girls is head over heels within a day of Snapchatting a kid, and so it's that it. It's like if you teach your son now I have a buddy that his kid, he pulled his kid out of school. His kid doesn't go to any school, he's just life. He works for the family business and that is one of the most respectful, polite men I've ever met. And so these dads. It's where they're missing the point. It's like yeah, it's my son.

Speaker 1: 1:38:31

He drives this, he can pull all this he wants. Well, when your son runs through all of these worthless-ass kids and then meets somebody that actually respects and values themselves, good luck. You're not going to have a chance. But these kids that come in and show respect, take the time to date into court. There everything is just zero to a hundred. There's no in between. These kids aren't getting to know anything. Slow down, show respect, get to know the, the girl that you plan on dating for us. You're going to have to get to know us as a family, because this is who we are. We do everything together. We travel together, sports are together. We just we are non-stop together.

Speaker 1: 1:39:10

I'm not one of those dads. We are not that family where I'm like god, I need to break for my kids. I go on a trip and I cut it short. I'm like I'm gonna get home, I don't want to be here. Why am I here instead of with my kids? I'm one of those people. So if you're going to be in that environment, you're gonna have to have the respect that's what it comes down to and just the confidence. She meets these kids all the time. She's like God Dad, like wouldn't even look me in my eyes.

Speaker 2: 1:39:33

How did you develop that? What would you say were like the key approaches for building confidence?

Speaker 1: 1:39:42

Honestly, martial arts. She used to be this little slouched over, little mousy creature of a child and as her we had a very it wasn't the martial art aspect that created this. We were in a horrible gym where the staff hated a couple of the staff. The instructors hated her because she became better than her.

Speaker 1: 1:40:06

Yes, and she was bullied, she was harassed in there, she was treated like shit. She was singled out and she learned on her own because she was excelling in it and becoming state champions and becoming a national champion to eventually become holding three world titles and fought through it all. Then that's where her confidence she really just bloomed and became this woman, and it was awesome to be able to be there with her. This podcast room was our dojo. I created three world champions in this room where we're sitting.

Speaker 1: 1:40:36

None of this was here, so me instilling in her and talking to her and her mom her mom, just constantly on it, on it doesn't let anything slip by it, and so being able to have that line of communication, too, has been probably the biggest key. Because, instead of her going in her room and what was me? No, get your ass out here. What's wrong, tell us what's happening, how do we get through this? And walking your kids through those problems, I think a lot of parents now, with technology video games, ipads, cell phones that's what's raising these kids. Instead of that kid coming home and being like God, dad, these kids today, well, okay, let's figure out how we get through this.

Speaker 1: 1:41:16

Maybe she'd come back from the gym. God, this girl. Kick her in her fucking face next time and see what she does. Put her on her ass, guess what she does. Steps up and just lays this kid out. Then the hate was even worse. Then this girl, now the girl couldn't pick on her. Now she was getting these older boys that are instructors, paid staff at our gym that were I'm paying for my child to be there to pick on my kid, and I look at her. I'm like fucking, fight him, fight him, fight him. This is the world kiddo.

Speaker 2: 1:41:44

Fight him yeah, she fought him. Look at her and then she fights you won. I'd like that. Yeah, we'd show up at tournaments.

Speaker 1: 1:41:51

There wouldn't be any girls that would show up at a tournament drive to colorado. There would only be boys in her age group. You want to go home? No, well, get the fuck in the ring. And she beat all the boys, confidence, coming home with medals every time.

Speaker 1: 1:42:06

That was the worst experience for us, but it was the greatest thing that ever happened to her. This is the worst gym the local gym here, taekwondo gym absolute garbage. We ended up leaving through the drama and the bullying and the harassing. It was just, it was horrible, but for her, I mean, we are sitting back like, oh, this is great, yeah, because she did. She's not dealing with that at school. She, she's not getting, she doesn't have to deal with the catty bullshit from these kids at school. But she's going to a gym where she has these goals that she wants to be a world champion and she's got instructors that are in her way, that are harassing and bullying her and trying to do everything they can to hurt her. And she's coming out every time. And then you just started to see her bloom and blossom and become this young woman. And then she steps on stage and takes three world titles and I'm like world's yours kid.

Speaker 1: 1:42:48

It's lonely at the top. Let's go. You know that's awesome man. It's not easy, you know. But I mean for the parents that can't private school or can't homeschool. Talk to your kids. The open line of communication is the number one key to everything, because you don't have that ability. But if your kid comes home it's like hey, what's going on? Take them out, go to lunch, take your daughters out to dinner one night and just have them talk. That's it. It's that line of communication. We can talk about anything. Anything Is that?

Speaker 2: 1:43:20

how you grew up, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:43:22

I mean I was pretty open. We. Is that how you grew up? Yeah, I mean I was pretty open. I was really. We were really good kids, like I didn't? My parents still together.

Speaker 1: 1:43:28

My dad worked his ass off, my mom was a stay-at-home mom but like, we always just talked. We always, you know, we were always around. My mom would never go to bed. My brother and I would be. We'd be out fishing until 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1: 1:43:42

In the spring. We had these little bullhead that the restaurants would buy and they'd always call our house and be like, hey, we need fish. And so my brother and I were literally providing these fish in the springtime to these restaurants. So my mom would drop us off and she would be on that couch and I'd call, hey, can you come pick us up? And she, it'd be three, four, it'd be, sometimes sun be coming up until we felt our limit, filled buckets or ran out of bait. We'd be out there. So my mom never was always there.

Speaker 1: 1:44:04

And that's the same thing with our kids. Our kids will never come home and we'll not be waiting for them. It's just you just got to keep that. Keep them in line. Yeah, we give them all the freedom in the world, but that same with me, my dad. Only one rule you disgrace the family name. You'll never, ever see daylight again, roger. That that's where I learned to run my ass off. Hide from cops Couldn't not getting caught was not an option growing up. Any of your siblings break that rule. My brother ratted on me one time. We TP'd our teacher's house and she knew it was us because we were absolutely hated by her. And my brother confessed and I didn't, and so my dad made him go and clean up everything on his own. And your dad knew you were a part of it.

Speaker 2: 1:44:47

I told him he's like I don't care.

Speaker 1: 1:44:50

Number one rule don't ever rat your brother out. He's all you ever have, all you will ever have, and so yeah. So that was his punishment for ratting me out. He had to go do it all himself.

Speaker 2: 1:44:59

Did he take the right lessons away from it? Oh, to the grave on everything else. Okay, yeah, so my parents were cool.

Speaker 1: 1:45:06

As long as we weren't vandalizing shit, we could do whatever we want.

Speaker 1: 1:45:12

You know we were mischief kids and we had so much fun growing up. But, yeah, so like with them. You know, every time she's out, this depends on the time what's going on. If there's the weather, you know, there's times when I'm like, hey, I want you home early. She doesn't invite it. All right then. But there's other times like please, please, can I have one more hour? Yeah, absolutely, why not? You haven't given me a reason to say no. So because we have that relationship. So kids are wild. Yeah, man, how about you? Yeah, you have a son. How's that Dude? He's amazing.

Speaker 2: 1:45:41

I mean, you know, I resonate so much with everything that you're saying. You know 15 years old and he's a good kid man. Your little sister would like him, she would approve. Yeah, yeah, he's a good boy. How old is he? He's 15, 15 and a half, yeah, and he's, you know, when you talk about uh, confident and respectful, like that, that is going to get them so far, man Cause none of these kids do, or the confident ones are too confident, and they're just.

Speaker 1: 1:46:12

They're just arrogant and cocky, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:46:16

Yeah, yeah, I mean for sure there's a balancer, but he's, he's, um, he's just a genuinely good, sweet kid and I think that the way he's been raised he's been exposed to a lot. He's an only child, so he's only been around adults. He's actually much more comfortable around adults than he is. Kids and the typical teenage, like you know, just thought processes and issues just drive him crazy, yep, like you know. And so he doesn't want to go to any of the school dances, he doesn't want to do any of the school-related stuff because he just hates immaturity, mm-hmm. But yeah, he's.

Speaker 2: 1:47:02

You know, him and I we started doing jiu-jitsu together about seven years ago. Yeah, he got put in a headlock at church and, you know, a little kid like boys just being boys, but he didn't know what to do about it. He was really upset. So we went to a local jiu-jitsu gym a guy I knew that owned it and we signed up right there and it started out as like a father-son thing, but my wife would go and and watch and she watched us.

Speaker 2: 1:47:28

There was no real, uh, female population to it. There was only like a few of a few females that trained there. So, um, she watched for a few years, but then in uh, like 20, 2020, she jumped in and she's been training ever since, and so we do that as a family and and I think that he's he's been able to learn a lot through that journey. Like you know, like you're saying, although we've had some really good instructors, people that have really poured in and and so he's he, yeah man, he's a good kid dude, he's he's what we need more of in this world.

Speaker 2: 1:48:06

I don't have to worry about him at all.

Speaker 1: 1:48:09

It's wild that when you, you know I'm sure you have friends and stuff that have kids that aren't on the same path and you're just like God, I couldn't, I couldn't imagine so nice having autopilot kids that are, and at the same time it's like when you said that you, he's more comfortable with adults, I get asked that too, like, well, how does she, you know, socialize? I don't want my 16 year old daughter hanging out 40 other 16 year old kids and and find me another environment in the world where, as an adult, you're hanging out with 40 year old men. That's it like I don't want her doing them. I want her going to networking classes. I want her going to business meetings where she's sitting and listening to us talk to ceos of these companies. It's like that's because I want, that's where I want her mindset, and even the little one she comes along too, she's sitting right next to her. Yeah, and it's that's the mindset I want.

Speaker 1: 1:49:04

I don't want her thinking like a teenager and people are like, well, you're taking that away from her. She has all the experience, she goes, she gets asked every fucking dance in the valley because he's now these kids. They seek her out and they're finding her and so that was like that's like the prize is who's christy, who's gonna ask, so she gets all that experience. But then she's like I'm good, like she had the drama over this girl liked the boy and the boy liked her and she didn't even like the boy. And then these girls are like mad at her and she's like honey, and she confronted you got a problem, let's talk about it. Confronts these kids on it and she's like, yeah, they're just too immature, I can't, I'm not dealing with this.

Speaker 2: 1:49:40

Yeah, that's always a a awkward thing when it, when another parent gives you such compliments and accolades for for your child and, um, because they're like their kids, not like that, and you're like, I'm like I don't know how to respond. I'm like thank you, you know, uh, but at the same time it's like yeah, it is nice, like yeah, it's really nice.

Speaker 1: 1:50:02

You know how much work I've put in to getting to this point yeah, other parents like I, wish my kid was like that it's like they can be. They can be. You just don't put the time in. That's all it comes down to is time and communication yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:50:15

I mean you know, whatever you dedicate that time and effort to is gonna grow right. So I mean, for good or bad, nope, and there's nothing more worthwhile than our own offspring.

Speaker 1: 1:50:28

I just want them to leave one day, which I hope they never do. I'm at that point, like you guys can live here as long as you want. I just want them to leave one day and I can kind of be rest assured, like, okay, yeah, she knows how to talk, she knows how to work, she knows how to communicate, she knows how to network, she has the ability to start another company or build off of whatever she's doing now. Okay, go, like I feel you have the tools to be able to get started in life, instead of going to college and not even knowing you got to pay for it like that's, that's the type of shit.

Speaker 1: 1:51:06

You know you deal with these kids and they don't. Yeah, he's not learning anything. Yeah, and it's just. I want her to have the upper hand and I feel with this generation she's at I'm sure every generation has said this before us but I want her to just go in and just dominate, dominate everything what she's already doing. Her little sister's already doing it. I mean, she's coming around the corner on her scooter little electric scooter and she's got bags of leaves because she just finished up at a house where he can leave all day while her friends are at school learning whatever. Yeah, you know, it's like that's where I want their mindset like cool and money's not everything. For sure, that's another valuable lesson. Money isn't everything, but hey, if you learn how to make it, it's nice, it feels good. I want their mindset Like cool, money's not everything, for sure, that's another valuable lesson. Money isn't everything, but hey, if you learn how to make it, it's nice it feels good, you want to go buy some stupid-ass toy.

Speaker 1: 1:51:51

You want to waste your money. Go ahead To have the ability to do that.

Speaker 2: 1:51:56

I think it's safe to say he's proud of you. I am very proud of her. I think it's safe to say I'm a proud dad.

Speaker 1: 1:52:01

Yeah, I'll get on tangents. People ask me like what about your kid? Two hours later I'm like oh shit, what about?

Speaker 2: 1:52:07

yours. Oh yeah, fucking kid. You know what I'm like. Oh, my bad, you know.

Speaker 1: 1:52:13

But yeah, it's a lot of work, man. It's something to be, I would take you know. So this is actually a have for you. I was just recently at this um networking thing and these guys stood on stage and they just bragged. They said that the the whole point of it was for them to not brag about their accomplishments, but all they did was brag. From my point of view, it was very turned me off big time talking about oh, it was one year I spent two and a half million dollars on cars and I was signing deals with michael jordan and uber and blah, blah. These guys just on and on and on about themselves and then afterward. But then they're talking about their whole life. Each one talked forever afterward. They're in the crowd and I walked up to each one of them and I was like, how did you build what you built and still had a relationship with your children? And I've yet to get an answer.

Speaker 2: 1:53:09

Because they didn't have a relationship with their kids.

Speaker 1: 1:53:11

None of them. They were like well, one guy was like oh, you got my number, call me. So my question to you is in your position, you and your wife I mean you guys, I feel like you were we're a lot like as far as being involved in everything how do you find that time? I guess it's it's kind of a weird question to ask, because you see all these influencers and you see all the social and all these guys are grinding and crushing it and they're giving these speeches and all that stuff. But, like, how do you be able to build the success, to have the financial freedom in the wealth but also, at the same time, be able to raise children? How we're able to do it? Is it even possible?

Speaker 2: 1:53:54

Oh, it's a hundred percent possible. I um, you know wealth is is. I guess it just depends on how you define wealth right? Like you know, for me I've never thought wealth looked like having, you know, a bunch of commas in the bank and a wallet full of cash, but walking into a house where you're a stranger to your, your kids right or to your wife.

Speaker 2: 1:54:18

Um, and so you know, when it, when it comes to, comes to real wealth, it's having abundance in all the different areas, and so you know, we have been able to achieve, you know, some really cool things in our life by just being intentional. And, and there was a point where, in so, in 2015, for the first time, my wife and I were talking about separation and divorce, like because we had had a couple of years of business ownership, we started our business in 2013. It's not easy, no dude, and it was nothing like what I thought it was. I promised her a dream, and I was. I was serving up an absolute nightmare, and it was. I mean, it was all tied to I just my business acumen was in the toilet. I just didn't know anything about business. I was a SWAT guy and opened up a business that was for reality-based training, and so we, I just I made the mistake in thinking that hard work in and of itself would pay off. Just, I made the mistake in thinking that hard work in and of itself would pay off.

Speaker 2: 1:55:27

And, um, and I think it was it. I think it was somewhat of a blessing in disguise to have our son be part of the entire equation because, um, he, he grew up starting, you know, I mean, he was, let's see the 20 um, he was like six, no four when we started that business and so, um, you know, he was around the whole thing and, um and when, when things started to go sideways, it was because we ran out of working capital. There was no more money to rob Peter to pay Paul with, and I was getting eviction notices for the building. We had a couple of houses. The first house we sold we were living in. It was a beautiful custom home, had to cash that out to get paid up on bills, but I still didn't know how to be a good business owner, and so that cash went away.

Speaker 2: 1:56:28

We moved into our rental house. We had bought that house brand new. It had been a rental for several years, it was cash flowing but needed a place to go. So we moved in it only to find ourselves in the same position as we were before, so had to sell that house, liquidate it. And then our son came to me one day and he was like dad, I don't feel like I have a home anymore. You know, we lived in a in a townhouse. It was a new, nice townhouse, but it was. It was a town like they're they're the ones behind the village, so right by that park, so like these like long lanes of that's. That's where we ended up being and I was like man, this is, this is that's where I was like really feeling like a failure as a husband, as a father. For the first time, I'm thinking about what joint custody might look like and like on the brink of divorce.

Speaker 2: 1:57:16

Yeah, like we were, we were down there and I and I I had nobody else to blame but myself. I mean, I, I ran from the responsibility for as long as I could and, and you know, when you get to that point, you really start to think about what's important, like, if you're thinking about divorce, joint custody, not not being able to go home, and and like be able to hug your child, or, like you said on the on the top of this podcast, like having having a circumstance that I created where my, my son doesn't have like a permanent bed to rest his head on. That that's a heavy burden, you know. And um, and the easy, like the easy route would have been to just pull the rip cord, um, but you know, easy by way of just being able to walk away from that scenario, but harder in all the other ways, right. So when you get to that point and you really start to evaluate, like what is what is this all for? What you know, what are we doing? You get, you get more focused on like the important shit, and family is like the first and foremost of it. Right, like you can yeah, you can take, you can take everything else away. Like, you can take everything, you can empty the accounts, you can, you know, take my right arm, left arm, you can like whatever, but don't take my family away. Right, and um, and so, because of, uh, of that point and that's where, that's where I think there's, there's so many blessings that can come from the hardships, right, and like, where real adversity can can make us way stronger. Yeah, dude, and but you've got to commit to the outcome at the same time, like you can't.

Speaker 2: 1:58:58

Like if I had, if I had taken the easy path of saying, all right, let's, let's, let's get the divorce right, I'll go back on the commitment that I made when I was 10 years old Um, we'll just, we'll just do, we'll just do what so many other families are doing and just raise a son in a, in a binuclear family structure. Um, if I had gone down that path, I don't know how my son would be today. I don't know if I would be saying the same things about him, because he would be, he would be justified in having resentment towards me, right, for creating that scenario and then and then not fighting for my family. So you know, to your question around, can you have it all the ways you can right.

Speaker 2: 1:59:36

But when it comes to business, you know the cool thing about entrepreneurship is that you can truly evaporate the ceiling above you and your family around what's possible right, how much you can make the impact you can have, the legacy you can build, like where you can do things. When you can do things, all of it just evaporates when you become an entrepreneur. But that's only if it's done right. So part of doing it right means that you know you build something that's capable of becoming something big and that you have the leadership abilities to formulate a team that can start doing the heavy lifting for you, to where now you can remove yourself and become more obsolete from the business.

Speaker 1: 2:00:18

So firing yourself.

Speaker 2: 2:00:20

Essentially, yeah, like you know, I mean yeah, firing yourself to the degree to where you can be anywhere, do anything and the business isn't impacted as a result. That's very much an art and a science. It does not happen overnight, it happens over time. And if your why is big enough and your commitment to meeting the objective is solid enough and you're willing to burn the boats, like failure is not an option, like you're just all in and you're working towards building something that you can be obsolete from but still get to reap the benefits, that's ultimately how you find yourself being able to have the best of all the different worlds.

Speaker 1: 2:01:09

I like how you said wealth. I feel you know when you're saying wealth is in the eye of the beholder pretty much, which is a huge thing that it's been. That's been a hard thing for me over the years to be able to accept until this last year or two with the wife constantly, because I'm sure in your network you know very, very wealthy people that are just fucking money. Some of those people are the most miserable people I've ever met in my life.

Speaker 2: 2:01:42

Lonely, unhappy, yeah, they got all of them. They got money, but they're broke.

Speaker 1: 2:01:49

But then I take I'll just use myself for example we're not rich, but I consider myself very wealthy, as in the fact I'm here with my kids all day. My daughter's running a podcast, my wife and youngest are downstairs making bread. We work together. We work together, we travel together, we do everything together. To me, that's wealth. It's just, I guess, my biggest, our biggest thing.

Speaker 1: 2:02:13

We're right now we are lighting all the ships on fire. We are burning the ships right now, and so it's scary. We haven't done this in a long time. So we're getting rid of a company right now. That's going to clear up a lot for us to be able to focus a hundred percent on us, and so it's a scary process that we haven't stepped out of that comfort zone in a long time. But realizing the kids are healthy, we have a roof over our head, our bills are paid, that's that's wealth to me. But now it's okay, now that we're functioning and we got an opera, all the wheels are greased.

Speaker 1: 2:02:55

What's the? Now? We're not. This is the growth stage for us. It's. It's a really scary thing, and it's scary because you compare, you find not me. I've never been one of these people that compare like the social media life because I I buried in it and I know how disgusting and fake and just a ratchet ass world that is to watch. But you see everybody with the toys and the homes and the vacations and I know so many of those guys that live that social media life and then when you actually sit down and you're like fuck that you can have that image and so I guess it's, it's interesting and that's where I feel like me stepping out of that comfort zone and coming to your. What the hell are you?

Speaker 2: 2:03:42

How do you mastermind?

Speaker 1: 2:03:43

I want to call it mastermind, but I wasn't sure it's a lab, that's uh, I thought there was another lab. Yeah, that's yeah was, was like a big thing for me because I've always just networked through my connections and going somewhere and doing my networking. And then when you invited me and I was like kid, you're coming along with me, yeah, like we're gonna, and we talked about, I was like yeah, if this is fucking lame, we're out like straight up.

Speaker 1: 2:04:07

I was like if I gotta like do some dumb shit, like we're out. And I even told zach. I was like, hey, dude, like this guy is going to be involved, he's we're going to use him for, for to help find and grow here in the northwest. I was like, so I want to see how he is. But I was like this shit's this some cheese dick? Like, hey, I'm powerful, I am strong. Yeah, it's like I'm out. Yeah, that just did so. But how it was, run man, the connections that it opened up, the connections that opened up for her, and that was just like a little free one, hey, every third week let's go. And so, um, that was huge and that was a big step for me to go to something like that, cause I am not one of those people. And I was like, okay, we need to go to every one of these now. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of so.

Speaker 1: 2:04:51

So, if you want to talk about what it is for anybody listening, if you want to break down the kind of the process with it, because I've never I've seen these, I've seen these I just and this isn't any offense to him if you're friends with him, but like the Sean Waylands, those dudes are like. Those are the guys that turned me off from doing any of these types of things, cause I see who he. Nothing against him, not bashing him. He follows me on Instagram. I followed his journey over the years but, like, when you hear guys like him talking, I feel it's all bullshit. And guys like him talking, I feel it's all bullshit. And then he's giving marital advice, and now they're getting divorced and now they're back together. It's like I would rather him. I would rather see a guy like him talk about all his failures instead of this.

Speaker 1: 2:05:33

Just the bullshit gimme social media marketing. Be an entrepreneur Bullshit is how I feel Most of those people are, and I'm not. This isn't a dig. If he's sitting right here, I'd fucking tell him the same thing, like that's just who I am. So that's where I have that hard time all these years. Like God, do I really have to go to these things in order to like be successful? And then we went to it. I was like fuck, god, damn, that opened up some doors, just the first little meeting and you calling me out and putting me on the damn hot seat. And how am I going to say no, I got my daughter sitting next to me. I can't look like a bitch.

Speaker 1: 2:06:07

And that's just those are the types of things that I feel I have to do as a man Like bam. I want to come up here. I'm like I don't. I don't want to talk to any of these people. I don't even want to be here, but for her me to be able to watch her. I mean, she ended up connecting with a group of women there, you know, had a meeting with them afterward to help with their podcast. So please give me a little rundown on that. I don't know how much time you got, but, um, yeah, for anybody listening. I mean it was, it was beneficial for me and anybody that's been following me for a while. They know I'm no bullshit guy. I would. I would call I'm a spade of spade, black and white. That's it, yeah, and, and so it was.

Speaker 2: 2:06:43

It was pretty awesome, yeah man, that's, that's awesome feedback and I I really appreciate it. It's it's um, I mean, at the heart of it all is that we we have some shit figured out, like we're proficient in some things, but when it comes to when it comes to really building something amazing, there are so many more areas that we're ignorant in. That we need to know, we need to understand, we need to have clarity on, but it's just outside of our zone of genius and I learned this through mentorship and coaching years ago. Right, that it's like you've got to put down the mask, you've got to put down the armor. You've got to put down the armor. You just got to be authentic and real and recognize that nobody's got all of their shit together, nobody's got everything figured out.

Speaker 2: 2:07:35

But if you surround yourself around the right people, then whatever is on your mind, whatever is a challenge to you, if it's keeping you up at night, you, you feel like it, it should be better, it could be better. You don't know how to make it better, though, at that exact same moment, there are people out there who, who do have the answers, because they've been there before. They, they've, they have wisdom that we don't, and so you just get into the right room with them, where it's the intention is set correctly, then we can leverage each other's wisdom and do it in a way to where everybody benefits as a result. And that's really the root of the mastermind is providing that opportunity and welcoming people in who are open to growth Right and and are willing to check their ego and pride of the door and give it a shot. You know, just like you did, and say like I'm open to what this could be, but I'm going to judge it based on the experience versus judging it beforehand.

Speaker 1: 2:08:41

It is definitely one of those. That is one of those things where you can leave there and be like that was the dumbest thing I've ever did, or you can be like holy shit, I just networked this guy that can help me ship my product and save me millions of dollars a year. That is 100% one of those events that you get what you put into it. And that's where, when you say, check the ego, I was in the truck like all right for mac you know like hey, this is what mac is done we need, we need to, we need to grow this company in the northwest like whatever dude, we're right or that's my ride or die.

Speaker 1: 2:09:14

So you know it's like I don't. I don't have an option yeah and so that's what it came down to, and when we sat in the truck I was like that's fucking awesome, like that was nothing, nothing how I expected it was going to go.

Speaker 2: 2:09:25

Yeah, yeah, man, that's um, that's such an important part of growth, right, like you know, I mean I was, I was too egoed up earlier on to where I, I, I mean, I consider it self-sabotage a hundred percent, but I, I was unwilling to to peel back the curtain and give other people that would be willing to help, that were there to help, but I wasn't willing to give them that opportunity to help by asking them questions or just being authentic with the situation. And so, therefore, the help was there, I just wasn't tapping into it, and that was my own fault. And, as a result, the help was there, I just wasn't tapping into it, and that was my own fault. And, as a result, my, my finances, my family, my, my whole, my future, like everything's swirling into a bowl because of pride.

Speaker 2: 2:10:14

And and, um, we, we people either either have enough self-awareness or not to realize if they're getting in their own way, to realize the opportunities they're taking off the table, the self-limiting belief systems or the ways in which that they're not even tapping into what's possible because of their own pride. But here's the thing I mean if you're a bachelor and you're just going about this whole thing by yourself, then fine, you're the only person that's being negatively impacted because of your, your pride and ego. But if you had a family?

Speaker 2: 2:10:47

and they're swirling the toilet bowl or or they're. They're seeing less of you or experiencing less opportunity in life because of your pride and ego like that, like shame on you right.

Speaker 2: 2:10:58

Like that's. It's not a, it's not about just us when we have a family, and so it is important that we get out of our own way and that we are open to certain things and look like there was a time where I had no idea what a mastermind was. There's probably listening to this people listening that don't know what a mastermind is and I thought personal development or professional development.

Speaker 2: 2:11:22

When I left law enforcement it was like a Tony Robbins conference and I wasn't about to go to a Tony Robbins conference, because I'm not about jumping up and down and saying I love myself, I love myself. Now, maybe it would be incredible, I have never gone to one, but at the time that's what I thought it looked like and I was not interested in it. And it really wasn't until I had nowhere else to run. That I connected with with, uh, the guy that, um, I knew that was successful, and he was the first time I met him at the, at the village coffee, and I said, dude, here's, here's where I'm at and I don't have anywhere else to run. I've, I've, I've got to figure something out.

Speaker 2: 2:11:58

And he was nice enough to to give me his time and his wisdom and to share with me that. You know, it was my fault that I was in the situation I was in, which was really hard to hear, but it was massively important for it to be said and for me to receive it. And then, because of him, I was able to start digging myself out and I knew back then when I started to experience the benefits of mentorship and coaching. And then eventually I was invited to a mastermind by a guy named Keith Lewis who owns a company out here, and he had to be doing a million dollars a year in revenue just to qualify, and I was nowhere close to that, but he invited me anyways. He convinced the rest of the board to let me join, and I didn't have the money to join. I didn't have the money to join, but I didn't have the money to not join either.

Speaker 1: 2:12:49

Right and so especially an opportunity like that.

Speaker 2: 2:12:51

Yeah, and I just, and I just knew that, look like, if we want different, we have to do different. Right, pick like, pick the area of your life. If you want a better relationship, you've you've got to do things that are different. If you want, if you want different financial, you got to. You just have to do different if you want different. And if you, and if you don't want, if you don't like the, the things that you're getting, you have to stop accepting the things that are creating that, right. And so I, I knew enough at that point to realize I just have to do different.

Speaker 2: 2:13:23

But I, I had no idea what that looked like. I didn't know what that meant, um, and so, sitting in this mastermind, I was like every month I looked forward to it because I was given an opportunity to be amongst others who understood the complexities of business and could help dissect and diagnose the reasons why certain things were working or not working, and um, and that that became a pressure valve release for me, like I w I, it was my opportunity to um, to have conversations with others who got it.

Speaker 1: 2:13:53

I feel it's so frustrating. You know, being an entrepreneur, business owner but these classes. You show up to one class and some guy's like, oh, this is this, oh, I have a guy that can solve that for you. And you're which is? You may have fought for years or couldn't come up with a solution, and the point of these classes was you're in a room full of very successful businessmen that have gone through the trenches, have teams that are already built, have the resources and the ship being every. They have it all figured well, you know to be to the level they're at. And then you have an opportunity in an open door to come in and sit down. I mean, they can, they can have a solution for you. Yeah, immediately. Oh, here, call this guy. He's who does everything, all this for me.

Speaker 1: 2:14:39

And you're like yeah, like, I have a buddy right now that I'm trying to get him to come to the next one, me, and you're like, yeah, like I have a buddy right now that I'm trying to get him to come to the next one, and I was like I called him when I left. I was like, dude, you have to go to one of these. I think it can help you, because he's got a small business, he's a veteran and just, you know, grinds it out and he does really well, but you know for where he's at, but he's doing it by himself and so it's scary and it's like so okay. So here's a question for you as an entrepreneur. You know, family business, whatever.

Speaker 1: 2:15:08

What's one of the biggest struggles that you see with people? Is it pride or as far as taking it to the next level and actually like excelling and growing a business to where you're like, okay, like this feels like a business, cause it feels, I think, with the lies on social media and everybody's, successful overnight. A lot of people don't have a clue how much it sucks starting a business and it it's not fun and I at least for us I've never had a business that we've started like this is this is great, but when you have that long-term goal, you know, and obviously it's something that you're passionate about. I think the only one that we do is fun is the bread, because but even then we'll get some orders and it's we're up at three in the morning rolling out dough and you're like damn it for bread you know the kids were standing next to us doing it.

Speaker 1: 2:15:56

What's one of the biggest things that you see people fail, or one of their biggest struggles? Because obviously you travel and you're you're talking to people like what's something as a young entrepreneur that they should be looking out for, or something that can be brought to the light. We're like, oh shit, that is me. Is it like what's the number one sabotage? What sabotages people the most, if, when it comes to growth, I guess is my question um, so there's something called the law of the lid.

Speaker 2: 2:16:20

I don't know this. And so, basically, when you step into something new, there's four stages of consciousness, right, like. The first stage is that unconscious incompetence, where you don't know what you don't know, and so, without you realizing it, like your lid is on the floor, right. And then the second stage of the consciousness is these conscious incompetence. Now you have awareness to the things that you don't know, and so now it just becomes a matter of what are you going to do with this information? You know, you don't know, you know you're a fish out of water. You've got to figure this out. Now what? And so the lid gets elevated just a little bit, and this is where many entrepreneurs stay okay and so they, they are aware that their lid is low.

Speaker 2: 2:17:14

They although they wouldn't they wouldn't explain it that way because they don't a lot of entrepreneurs don't know the law of the lid, but, um, but they, they feel they're, they're stuck and they feel like they're constantly just working their ass off and and working really, really hard to get nowhere, but they're not getting anywhere, right, and so, um, rather than, rather than figuring out how to elevate their lid, they fight against it. And the problem is that when you have a low lid and you start bringing other people into the equation, a lot of times it's like your family, right, like they'll come in and work for cheap Friends, friends, or you start hiring people, but as the leader, you're the end-all, be-all. So when you have a low lid and that's like low business, acuum, low ability, low skill set, like you're just not very capable of doing the thing, everybody else below you hits that lid and over time it gets to be very frustrating for everybody involved. It's frustrating for the leader that feels stuck, that's not getting anywhere. It's frustrating for the people that want to help move this thing along and see it reach new heights, but they keep slamming up against this lid and people are only willing to commit so much of their life to that right, and so they'll like part ways with the business or the leader or whatever. And if it's family, you can start causing conflict in the family, so that's.

Speaker 2: 2:18:48

That's where I was for a period of time, and as I work with a lot of entrepreneurs on the on the coaching side of things, um, it's like the number one thing that we focus on is elevating the lid, like there's a many things that are common sense or just not common knowledge. And as soon as you hear it, light bulbs start turning on, and each one of those light bulbs is a little tick up of your lid right. And as your lid rises, so does the opportunity, so does the impact, so does the ways in which the team can grow underneath you. If you ever have heard somebody say I just feel like there's no growth opportunity, I feel like there's no, like, um, there's, there's no other real options to uh, to level up in this business.

Speaker 2: 2:19:28

That's them saying there's a low lid, like there's just there's a low lid for this business or this, this leadership, and so there I'm looking for somebody who's got a higher lid so that I can be, I can be, um, given more opportunity, I can be stretched in in more ways and um, and so the solution is you've got to elevate your lid, and the way that happens is by investing in yourself. And if more entrepreneurs invest in themselves by way of the books that they read, the podcasts, they listen to the masterminds, they go to the coaching, sometimes you have to, like, make some some real investments in yourself and you have to, um, you know, acknowledge that I don't have all the answers. This person over here, they've taken all the arrows in their back. There's no point in me taking those arrows, but they're expensive.

Speaker 1: 2:20:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:20:20

And um and. But for the ones that are willing to to get into the, into the arena and pay the cost of admission, their lids start elevating much higher, much faster, and therefore doors start to open up and opportunities start to come forward and everybody starts to benefit as a result. And that's how you see other entrepreneurs like surpassing those around them, and when you see somebody that's like man, they've really done a lot really quickly, they've invested in themselves and they've understood that they've got to get out of their own way. And sometimes it means that you grow to a point where you no longer should be the CEO. You're the founder and the CEO. You've gotten the business to a point to where your lid is set and the business is outpacing your ability to elevate your lid. So you've got to get out of. You got to get out of the way. Hire a new CEO and let them take over because their lid is much higher.

Speaker 2: 2:21:16

That's gotta be hard for people, yeah, but it's the right move, right. Like, if you're really mission focused in your impact focus, um, if you're really mission-focused and you're impact-focused and you're not letting pride and ego get in the way, that's just the right call. I've had several people in my network that have come to that conclusion and good on them. One company I'm invested in was really important. This particular guy said I knew I could get this company to like a 30 million, maybe a 50 million valuation, but he's like that would be a stretch and his just awareness to that, with his lack of ego, he moved himself out of that equation.

Speaker 2: 2:21:57

He brought somebody else in that had helped build a Fortune 500 company and now it's a more than 100 million dollar company that this other guy could not have gotten it to, and me as an investor, and the others involved the other, you know, stakeholders and shareholders like we rely on on that kind of leadership to happen. Our teams rely on that, our families rely on that. So it all just comes down to not having a low lid and recognizing that if, if you're in new territory, of course you're not going to know a lot about it, but don't let your pride, um, be the thing that that prevents you from from elevating. Like, get out of your own way, bring in somebody that that is already light years ahead of you. Pay, pay, pay, whatever that that is. Do the things that they do, trust the process and then start reaping the results of having a higher lid. That then starts to allow for much bigger, much more exciting opportunities to come forward, because now you're, you're actually ready for it.

Speaker 1: 2:23:00

I feel that all the companies that I've worked with in the past or tried to help, you know, with branding and marketing and all that, the biggest battle is pride, those guys every time, and it just it can get so frustrating. Yeah, is there a time Like is there? I know there's not a set time, but it's for me, I mean. It always comes to a point where it's like this time it For me, I mean it always comes to a point where it's like it's time to pop smoke and just go, because I feel like especially if you're watching the owners fight everything, not want to grow, not invest back into the company and help expand things, that it just becomes a certain point where it's like, okay, now I'm just spinning wheels and wasting my own time, and it can be super frustrating.

Speaker 1: 2:23:46

I feel like I've gone through that stage too, where it was pride, I got it, I'll be on the road, I'll handle it, and then, before you know it, you're burned out, you've killed yourself because you're gone all the time. I feel like when you don't swallow the pride after a amount of time, that's when the animosity starts to come in next. Then it's not fun. You don't see the growth, it's just a pain in the ass, you're like. Why are we doing this?

Speaker 2: 2:24:08

Yeah, yeah, man. I mean I've fired a few clients over the years because of that.

Speaker 1: 2:24:15

Really.

Speaker 2: 2:24:16

Yeah when they say yeah, I already thought about that. Yeah, I don't think that's going to work.

Speaker 1: 2:24:22

Oh, I yeah, you know I think it's gonna work, or try that. We already thought about that. Yeah, well, how?

Speaker 2: 2:24:25

okay, yeah, you know, like, so why are we here then? Like, if you've got it all figured out? Like why are we here? Like, why did, why do your your P&Ls look that way? Or why, like, why does nobody want to work for?

Speaker 1: 2:24:34

you or we thought about it. Can we implement it? See if it tries yeah well, no, I already broke all the numbers down. Yeah, it's not gonna work.

Speaker 2: 2:24:40

It's not already. I already I already looked up. Okay, then, what are we doing? Exactly? Right, like then.

Speaker 2: 2:24:46

And so there's been a couple times, a few times, where I've been like, look, this is you've, you've, you've got your mind made up around certain things and this is not going to work out. So we're just going to part ways. I'm not going to continue to work with you and um and you know you were you wish the best for them, but at the same time, like you know, I'm, I'm the most successful, wealthy um people that I know that also have peace, because that's such an important element of this thing. Right is is being able to be at peace. It's not worth it if you don't have peace. No, dude, like, what's it all for? But you know the, the, like, the people that that I know that have all those things and and you know I feel very fortunate to, to, to have some. But I'm not where other people, like in my network, are so like, there's always like that.

Speaker 2: 2:25:37

Next level is, um, you've got to have a ceo mindset, but a white belt mentality always okay, explain that. So a ceo mindset is you're always thinking bigger, like, you're always recognizing that there's, there's, there's more that can be um, done and um, and you're always willing to ask a question like what's next, you know? So, in, in preparing for our, our last event in july, you know, tim grover was one of our speakers and and um and so. So, in getting ready to like, interview him and have him on stage, I was watching the last dance and that's that, the documentary of Michael Jordan, right, and so there's a part in there where Jordan is walking out to go get his fifth national championship and there's a reporter that's asking him what's what's better, the first national championship or the fifth? And Jordan says I'll tell you when we get our sixth right.

Speaker 2: 2:26:29

And a champion mindset is always thinking about that what's next? Because there is no real point where we just arrive, there's no other place for us to go, and that's that CEO mindset. But the white belt mentality is that I don't have all this shit figured out Like there's. There are. There are a lot of areas to where if, if I pretend like I've got things figured out that I don't, I'm just getting in the in the way of what's possible and um, and so maintaining a position of being curious and asking questions and being receptive to feedback and seeking feedback. That's that white belt mentality. To say I don't, like, I don't know. There's, there are black belts out there and I want to learn from them.

Speaker 2: 2:27:16

Like teach, like what you know. That's one of the things I love about jujitsu. There's a saying you know, in jujitsu an inch is like a mile right, because you shift your body just very slightly, or you change your grips a little bit, and it makes a difference between a submission or not, or points or not, and it's like these little nuanced things. So white belt mentality is like teach me, like help me learn, no matter where you're at in the stage of things, like there's always more that can be learned. So you maintain those two things simultaneously Like you're, you're, you're, you will be unstoppable and you will achieve whatever, whatever goals you want to set. Like you will, you will hit them. But it's when one or the other is is not part of the equation. Now that's where people start getting into their own way. Interesting.

Speaker 1: 2:28:07

I'm sure you see that quite a bit. What's your biggest?

Speaker 2: 2:28:10

legacy you want to leave behind. So I want to. I want to be like for me, being known to other people doesn't matter. You know, I had, you know, this last event we did, we, we, we had some incredible people, that um were on that stage and, uh, I had the least amount of time of any of them.

Speaker 2: 2:28:41

And then we went from there and then we hosted the world's largest um, a cold plunge event where we were raising money for, uh, uh, pediatric cancer and we had about 750 people there, a big, a big setup, that that that piece of it probably cost me 40 grand big stage flew in an MC from um, out of the area. Uh, Alex Simon and his crew were up there doing the drumming stuff and I didn't step on that stage a single time. I grabbed the microphone at no point and I was just one of the 750 people there. And after the fact, you know, some people were like they were surprised by that, like they didn't take that as an opportunity to brand myself around being the person that did this and brought this to the community, and I, you know, and I respond in the same way I'm like this is not about me.

Speaker 2: 2:29:30

We're here to raise money for kids with cancer, we're here to make a difference, and so, for me, legacy is not about being known to other people. If I could do away with social media, I would do it in an instant.

Speaker 1: 2:29:43

That's what I'm working toward.

Speaker 2: 2:29:50

Yeah man, I tell, tell everybody when you know that I made it like what the fuck ever happened that dude, yeah gone, yeah, yeah, exactly just like no announcement.

Speaker 2: 2:29:57

Yeah, yeah, so it's. For me, it's it far more important that my son continue to grow up in a home where he gets to experience a real, healthy relationship between his parents the two people he loves the most, the two superheroes in his life. That he gets to experience what a real relationship looks like and that he gets to continue to have amazing opportunities that are presented as a result of him seeing what my wife and I have been building, and that he continues to be this incredible human that is going to give more to the world than he's going to ever take and will build a family accordingly, and my bloodline and what I did will live on through him. Continue.

Speaker 2: 2:30:59

For me, that's legacy. That's legacy and um and building building opportunities for people that um, that help others and they don't even they, they have no idea like I was ever a part of it, you know. So I love. I love having teams where, um, where I get to, I get to provide things for them as a result of being on my team, that others wouldn't pay them the same or they wouldn't treat them the same, and they have families, and so that, as a split of the legacy piece, is that ripple effect that we create? I want to have a massive ripple effect, but I could care less if anybody knows that I was the one that threw that pebble.

Speaker 1: 2:31:51

I feel it always feels so much better, us having a charity. I hate giving speeches. I can step on stage anywhere. You can just give me a topic. I have no problem public speaking. I don't care what anybody thinks of me. I wish nobody ever knew I was the face I hate. Being the face of the organization drives me nuts because it's not about me. I just want to help vets and I want to help law enforcement and I could care less if anybody ever knew it was me. I'm 100 with you on that one. I just you know like I had a bunch of them while I had the security company, I had 155 employees and the being able to help the kids that were supporting their whole families. Like that's what felt the best was being able to just give to people and not having. You know we had a. It was, we had a.

Speaker 1: 2:32:42

It was a horrible, tragic incident. It was a murder-suicide of two of my employees, both of them Army guys. One came home, caught his best friend with his wife and obviously you know it happened there. But the kid that got killed or the kid that killed himself, he didn't have a pot to piss in and his mom couldn't even speak English and I felt it was the right thing to do. They weren't even going to give this kid because, since he killed somebody, they weren't going to give him a military burial or anything and his mom couldn't even afford a casket, I heard took care of it all.

Speaker 1: 2:33:16

It was one of those things to be able to help somebody but not have to be like, look, I think that's one of my biggest things was social and these people that are like look at me, I'm helping, I'm helping. And it's like if you're truly helping, go help the homeless. You don't need to film it and then put it on it and I get it. That helps raise money or you're making money off of it to keep your views going. Just go help. Last two questions I'll, as a father to a son and any of these young cause I got a lot of dads that listen. What is one big key piece of?

Speaker 2: 2:33:55

advice of raising a son in this generation.

Speaker 1: 2:34:01

Don't be a hypocrite.

Speaker 2: 2:34:02

I think, if you, if you want, I think, as all parents, we inherently want our kids to grow up with better circumstances than what we grew up with, right, and we want to see them succeed and we want to see them thrive. But I think that there's a real problem when dads tell their kids to act in a certain way or treat people in a certain way, or do things in a certain way that their kids don't even see their dad doing or their parents doing. And so I think you have to be that, if you want, if you want your kids to be respectful, if you want them to treat people right, if you want them to treat people right, if you want kids that are honest and keep commitments that they make to themselves or others, you've got to be that person first, for sure.

Speaker 1: 2:34:59

That's a good one. Last question Coming from a broken home watching your mom marry a bunch of guys over the years, what's the key to making it work with your wife, Because obviously she's involved with a lot of things that you're doing. What's a really key part of having a healthy marriage and being able to work with your spouse?

Speaker 2: 2:35:21

Well, I think, first and foremost, you take divorce off the table 100 and you just it's just, it's not even an option, not even spoke of. Yeah, it's just, it's just not, not an option. I mean, it's um, you know, it's interesting to you because, to be, to be successful and like to achieve uncommon success, there's an element of like aggressiveness and like tenacity and risk-taking and things that can, I think, make somebody selfish, things that can, I think, make somebody selfish. You know, and you can find yourself thinking about how much you put into things or how much risk you've taken or how much you've done and how successful the business has become, and forget about your spouse in the process, right and um, and I think there's. So you have to have self-awareness to realize, like this this is a person you chose to do life with.

Speaker 2: 2:36:38

Like, we get to, we get to, um, make a lot of choices, but, but none of them is as important as, like, who you choose to do life with, that one person that you're going to create a family with, you're going to create a future with, you're going to create, you know, a legacy with. And so you know, maybe you didn't choose wisely, maybe a little bit too, too rushed to get into into something. But you start having kids and you're the superhero in your kids' eyes and their mother is the superhero in their kids' eyes. You have an obligation to your kids to figure it out right and to not have them growing up in a house where there's no love, there's no connection, there's no like you know. So I think you take divorce off the table. Compromise is important, understanding that the other side has their own like desires and and like goals and dreams and aspirations, and you've got to know what they are so you can actually help them achieve what's really important to them and vice versa, right? There's three relationships in every relationship.

Speaker 2: 2:38:00

There's the one that you have with yourself the one that they have with themselves and the one that you have together relationships and every relationship there's the one that you have with yourself, the one that they have with themselves and then the one that you have together. And so in any way that you want to help people, especially your own family, like you have to be whole first, like you have to be, you have to be in a place where you can actually give to others, and so you have to make that investment yourself. You have to give yourself permission to make make yourself a priority. You have to give the other side permission to make themselves a priority, so that both sides have the ability to contribute. And and it's just, it's just work, dude, I mean, it's just like it's, it's, it's, it's worth fighting for and you gotta, you gotta fight for it.

Speaker 2: 2:38:41

And if you so, if you take divorce off the table, you recognize that you owe it to your kids to create an environment for them that's healthy mentally, physically, emotionally for them to grow up in, that you're the two people that your kids want to see get along and love and appreciate each other. And then you're willing to do the work, you're going to be just fine. But if you're not willing to do the work, you're going to be just fine. But if you're not willing to do the work, you don't prioritize the kids, you're willing to explore divorce or you're unwilling to take it off the table, it's an eight-time risk that'll eventually go off it sucks.

Speaker 1: 2:39:25

You see so many marriages that like something, so minute happens and that they split over it. It's like, but I'm like what? Like you can't, there's no work this out yeah oh man, she's set. It's like no, you're not beating the shit out of, you're not a drunk, she's not a drug addict. Talk, communicate make it work yeah yeah, it's tough in the early days. I mean, I was an asshole for a long time.

Speaker 2: 2:39:52

Well, you're just figuring it out. Yeah, like, especially, get together young, young, you know, you don't. You don't know a lot about life, you have very limited life experience, right, that's. But that's the thing is that, um, I think society has normalized divorce, it's, it's made it acceptable when, um it it really is just taking the easy path and it's like, but it takes a lot of doing the work yourself, like it takes a lot of of recognizing, like maybe I am an asshole, maybe I am selfish, maybe, whatever Right, and you can have that CEO mindset and white belt mentality in your own relationship.

Speaker 2: 2:40:30

Where you can, you can be like that's probably fair, like that that point is probably fair. And look like you know I mean I don't know how many blowouts and arguments and you know nights I've slept on the couch over the you know 20 plus years that my wife and I've been together. But, um, there, if there's no question that, like we're, we're getting old together, like that, like divorce is not a thing, not a thing. And and um, like there's, there's turbulence ahead of us and we'll just hit it.

Speaker 1: 2:41:04

Sad to see you, and especially when people split over money fine, like that. I mean there was a point where we were counting pennies to keep lights on it, but it was never an option. It never even. Because it's just money yeah, get through, you'll make more.

Speaker 2: 2:41:23

People know how to argue about money. They don't know how to talk about it, though.

Speaker 1: 2:41:27

That was, I think, having the organization was one of those big learning points for us, because we used to God, we used to fight back in the day over it, you know, because we didn't know what we were doing. And then once we realized, like it's not even ours, we're just trying to help these guys, and then we went from arguing over money to talking about money. That everything after that I feel was just like all right, well, we screwed this up, like okay, how do we bounce back? Or okay, like those are going to be tight during these times, we're going all in on this and and so, instead of it being a fight, I'm just like all right, well, how do we fix it? And then it gets you get through it so much quicker too, instead of it dragging out and the animosity and stressing on it.

Speaker 2: 2:42:11

Okay, what's the?

Speaker 1: 2:42:12

solution Well, this isn't like we're going to bitch and complain over this. You know how do we figure it out. I think that's a big thing is instead of learning how to not fight but communicate over money. It could be stressful, but I mean, at the end of the day, you can make more you can make more.

Speaker 2: 2:42:32

I mean making more is typically the answer right In the easier route. Yeah, I mean. Well, sometimes making money is like, I think, for you and I, we've figured out how to make money and so now it is much easier now.

Speaker 1: 2:42:50

I don't want to say easy, but it's. I mean going through it. I mean I feel if I had to go I'd get a job anywhere before. It would just be a nightmare to get a divorce to go through that process rather than, okay, we got an extra 1500 this month. Cool, like, what do we got to do?

Speaker 2: 2:43:08

yeah, yeah, I mean that, but that's. I think when you, when you operate as a team like that's, you know those kinds of questions get, get answered a whole lot easier, right, like you know. Okay, hey, what, what are we looking like now? It's been, we're fortunate, we've, we had our, we had our time in the arena where it was like, how are we going to do this?

Speaker 2: 2:43:28

I mean, there was a time where I came home and my wife was crying herself to sleep because she did not know how to like the the dollars were not there in the account versus the stack of bills on the sink, right, so, um've, we've lived it. But at the same time, we're also evidence about. You can absolutely come out on the other side of it and, um and dude, like it's amazing what happens when you, when you just take certain things out of the equation, like you just you take, you take uh, um, like bankruptcy off of the equation, or you take divorce off the equation, or like not not hitting your objective off the equation, like it's just, when it becomes a non-negotiable, then it just becomes a conversation around how are we going to do this?

Speaker 1: 2:44:18

but you truly have to believe that. Yeah, that's I feel you know. Yeah, you true, I mean you could be like okay, divorce is an option, but like it's, you don't talk about it. It's not a joke, it's not a threat, never, yeah, off the table. And you truly have to believe it because when those times get tough and it's the easy card to pull, like it's, you don't pull it because it's not. Yeah, it's not a card in that deck of cards that you can, you can play yeah, and so it's it. It forces you to be like oh, all right, like how?

Speaker 2: 2:44:52

do we get through this and it's worth fighting for like that's the thing is that you know if anybody's listening to this and they're like not in the healthy of places in the relationship, it like it. It is worth fighting for 100 and it can get better and it takes work, but it's. It's worth doing the work for right.

Speaker 2: 2:45:10

So, especially if you got kids yeah, man, just like figure out what, like take ownership over whatever the things are that's causing issues, right, like there's probably some shit that you own, some shit that they own you. Like you got to do the work together but it's it's, it's worth it. And, um, that's probably one of the coolest parts about our journey is the, the kind of inspiration that we have been able to give others by um, by being in such a such a problematic place and, um, and being in such a different place now, um, because we just represent what's possible. You know that cycles can get broken, that you know you can get in the driver's seat of your own life. You can create things that are really exciting and substantial and um, and and that like, if you're, if you're willing to just continue being happy but never satisfied, be happy with the progress but not satisfied with what is like keep leaning into the adversity, lean into the growth, lean into the opportunity, like there's no limit.

Speaker 1: 2:46:21

Man, I appreciate you coming on. Yeah, dude, thanks for having me. We didn't even talk any law enforcement, us marshals undercover. I guess I get to have you back on we're gonna talk all that. But uh, yeah, dude, this was awesome. I'm glad we finally got to sit down, not on the course, golf course or some networking event. We finally yeah, you got to shoot the shit a little bit. I'm excited for the future, man, we all a lot of big things coming, yeah I hope you're ready.

Speaker 2: 2:46:44

Yeah, yeah man, I was born ready. You're waiting on me wasting time. Born ready yeah it's gonna be. It's gonna be great man. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1: 2:46:51

Yeah, always, man. I really appreciate it. And again, thank you and I'm looking forward to the next one and look forward to the future working together thanks, christy, for being a badass producer over there of course, yeah, yeah, who would have thought huh, thanks, dude, appreciate you?

Speaker 2: 2:47:07

Yes, dang Cool, that's a wrap.