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#53 - Steroids, Stage Time, & Social Media Lies...w/Zach Pulkinen
Ever wondered what really happens behind the scenes in the fitness industry? In this raw, unfiltered conversation with trainer Zach Pulkinen, we peel back the curtain on bodybuilding competitions, steroid use, and the dramatic evolution of gym culture over the past decades!
Zach takes us through his journey from military base gyms where he grew up as a child, and everyone was focused on hard work, to today's social media-dominated fitness landscape. His perspective on competing is refreshingly honest, describing the brutal reality of prep that involves months of discipline for just minutes on stage, substantial financial investments, and potential health consequences that many influencers never discuss!
We tackle the taboo topic of performance-enhancing drugs with surprising candor. Rather than the typical denial or glorification, Zach offers balanced insights on responsible approaches to testosterone supplementation, the dangers of young athletes taking extreme protocols, and why blood work is non-negotiable. "These kids are running cycles that I've never even touched!" he reveals, highlighting how social media has driven increasingly dangerous trends!
For listeners navigating the healthy road of fitness, this episode delivers practical wisdom on creating sustainable approaches that allow for life balance. We discuss how supplement quality varies dramatically across the industry, why women often train more effectively than men, and how finding your fitness path doesn't require competition or extreme measures.
Join us as we prove that sustainable, healthy fitness is possible at any age when you cut through the industry noise and focus on what actually works.
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Zach, welcome to the podcast dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks for having me, man.
Speaker 2:You've watched me build this thing out since the very beginning. Now you're here and I'm excited to have you on because I want to talk some topics fitness-wise.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I want to you and I we hit the gym on a regular basis together and we have some conversations and there's been a lot of, you know, seeing the new side of the industry and where things have gone over the years and and just your path through it and I want to get into. I would love to talk steroids.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's such like a taboo, dark thing for people, but it could actually be a pretty vital tool and if you use it correctly, totally. You know me, being 40, I want to jump into what it would it take for me to just get my body and get back on track and what we got to do for that, and then just talk industry wise, like you've trained a lot of ladies and a lot of men to step on stage and compete and you're kind of pulling away from that a little bit and you know I want.
Speaker 2:I want to talk why in in the real side of the fitness industry is kind of where I would like this episode to go and just have fun with it, and yeah, so I guess, if you want to give me an intro, man, who you are, where you're from, we'll just, we'll just jump right in, yeah all right.
Speaker 1:So zach polkman, um, I wouldn't say from anywhere, I was a military brat. So, uh, both parents were air force 22 years and uh, yeah, so it's new scenery every three years. Um, you know how that goes. So, uh, I mean, north North Dakota is where I ended up graduating high school and then went out this way to play soccer. My first year Ended up in Minnesota, northern Minnesota, playing some football. And you know, like anyone else, I had those dreams of being a pro and all that. But, yeah, it just wasn't good enough, but chased that dream for a little bit, somehow ended up with a chemistry degree. Don't know how that happened. Well, I do.
Speaker 1:One of our coaches was the head of the chemistry department, okay, and Ken Traxler. And he's like, yeah, well, they dropped the pre-pharmacy for a program which that was my, that was my deal, that was my plan. And uh, he's like, nope, you're doing chemistry now. I said, yes, sir, and so that's how that went. You love a good coach. Yeah, it was great. But no, I, I appreciate it for appreciated that. And uh, so I ended up playing football, played a little indoor for a little bit while I was finishing my degree and chasing that dream still, and you know. But tying it back all into fitness, I always like lift. I grew up on military bases, so you know how that goes. You're around the fit life. You could go into one of those gyms and smell it know that smell is.
Speaker 2:Why don't you say that man? Smell that gym there's not many gyms that especially good military gyms.
Speaker 1:Right have that that old school like like man this plates yeah, this is where work happens, and that and that's what it was. Back then, my dad taught me everything he knew about lifting, and not lifting was not an option in my family.
Speaker 1:Even my mom, mom and dad, all right weekends we're going to the gym, cool. So I grew up in these old school like this was what. So I started dinking around in the gym when I was 8, 9, 10 years old and we were in Germany, we were in Maine, we were in, of course, mountain Home here, and, yeah, you just, I'd go in the mornings with my parents to the gym and, man, you just, it was different back then. Yeah, it was there's. No, no one had their phone out, you know, oh, man, uh, everyone was just getting it. Man, there was. It, didn't? It didn't matter who saw you, who was there? Um, it was, it was cool, it was like hardcore still then. And uh, yeah, things have definitely come a long way.
Speaker 2:Definitely that they have. I mean, you know, like just me growing being on a military base. That's when I put 100 pounds on when I was in the Marines.
Speaker 1:What else do you do? That was it. You're lifting, you're eating, that's it.
Speaker 2:Work. There's a lot of bullshit they had us doing, but once you got in that groove of things, man it was.
Speaker 2:that was life for so long and it's. I would love to go back to those bases now, like Pendleton on those gyms, and just see if it's still. There were some giant dudes when I was there. It was fun and everybody supported everybody. And now it's I going to these gyms. I went into this one right here you know this new one here, yeah, and I'm like sitting there looking and there's six kids all on you know the little inclined bench that you could adjust Every one of them. They do like a set, some half-ass set, and then they're just staring at their phone.
Speaker 1:Wearing pajamas.
Speaker 2:Yes, Ten minutes. They're sitting there and just man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not God bro Dude, if I rolled up back then like someone was beating my ass, Either my dad or one of the big guys in the gym just saying, hey, we're not doing that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like you want to do this Like that's cool, but we don't do that. Nope, you know. And I feel like some of these youngsters need to be snatched up like that and like, hey, this is gym etiquette, this is how this works. And just the hardcore days Not to say hardcore, and I don't even like that term really, because it's just what's your type of fitness. And, yeah, some like the, the garage gym style, just banging old school weight, and that's cool. Something like the newer, you know, um, aesthetic gym, that's cool too.
Speaker 1:But uh, man, back then what was common was just hard ass, work, work yeah work, work like and that's one thing like I know he'll probably watch this daddy mom. But uh, shout out to my dad. He whooped my ass growing up. We I did not like my dad growing up. He'd be like I was.
Speaker 1:I was stoked when he went on like td wise really yeah because like then I knew I had a little break to like rest and shit, because we're talking. He taught me, yeah, you're going to go to practice and then you're going to work harder after or Saturday mornings. He's like get in the truck, we're going to the field and we'd run. Because I played soccer all growing up In Germany, I got really good. But he's like yeah, you're going to be the fastest dude, you're going to run until you puke. And I did. And then yeah, that was just a small break and keep going.
Speaker 2:You appreciate him for those days so much.
Speaker 1:Do you so much, so Like I can't tell you how valuable that is, and like just to know that I had that instilled, like that work ethic, because now I feel like it's so lost do you see that a lot with the now, with this generation.
Speaker 2:You say generation like I'm some old, yeah yeah, right, no, but like you do a lot of training and you're dealing with a lot of a lot of, I mean for christ. You train christy, so you're training from young teenagers to guys my age I mean right you see a big difference in that and the drive of actually wanting to accomplish these goals in the gym, um it, and you know I've gotten to a point.
Speaker 1:So I've been training clients one-on-one for probably eight years now and as a trainer um, every trainer is going to know this but you, you build up to basically a point where you know you like don't need to advertise anymore. You kind of take on, that's where I'm at at least that's where I'm at is like built up. I have everyone that I train works their ass off and I can. I'm their trainer. Like everyone has their cup of tea. I'm not everybody's trainer. I'm a kind of hey, we're going to get these reps. Like I'm here, we're getting these reps and you're going to feel like ass tomorrow probably. But we got to a new level today. I've had to, and I don't say fire, but just kind of we're not going to train anymore because I'm not your cup of tea. Yeah, and that's okay.
Speaker 2:I feel that everybody has a different. It depends on how fast you want to get to your goal. I guess 100%. But also I watch some of these trainers and they're like scrolling on their phone and their clients are like moving. You know whatever half-assed weight, I don't know. I feel like if I'm going to spend the money, set this goal and it's a lot of work yeah, your trainer should be into it as much as you are. Exactly Period, and your trainer should be healthier looking than you are. Thank you, these are things like I see in the gym. You know we go to.
Speaker 1:Yeah a trainer we've said it a hundred times a trainer, you gotta look the part because you're gonna have clients that want to look like you yeah so you better market yourself according. Yeah, like that's number one. But yeah, the pulling your phone out, like, and then I love the uh, we're both just not going to talk to each other. Just awkward. Like you could be across the gym and you see that and you're just like god damn, that's awkward.
Speaker 2:And absolutely not. Like, come on, like it's a I mean it's a you're you're deep into the people business. So if if, as a trainer, you know I feel that you need to be learning your clients, knowing your clients on a personal level, but also with that okay. So gonna ask yeah, male, female trainers?
Speaker 2:yeah absolute shit show yeah, like absolute shit show yeah, and from what I've seen through the industry over the years, I would you. I feel like I don't know man, there's just such this taboo thing because you see it, I mean you're in the industry. Yeah, been around long enough. Fortunately, you and your wife have a lot of your work together as a team on it so I think in in that case, cool, that's a.
Speaker 2:That that's a when you have a husband and wife and you're the coaches and your clients getting double tapped from both Cool. But I don't know, man, I see these dudes and they send their wives off with these trainers are yoked as fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm recipe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean the yeah, I mean it's no secret. I mean the fitness industry is insane just like any other industry. But yeah, I mean there's a lot of good-looking people in it. There is I mean, you want to deal with drama work at a gym, a big gym? Oh yeah, that's how that goes.
Speaker 2:I could imagine.
Speaker 1:Yeah and then yeah. So my wife she deals with it more than I do, but she does her thing at the gym manages it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay. So let's get into competing. Man, yeah, you competed, you stepped on stage quite a bit. I've been with you through your prepsps and it looks like absolute hell. I mean how, yeah, and it should um.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, just my background. In competing, uh, I did my first show like six years ago now. I was still in the oil field working. I was actually working uh um back and forth in west texas, flying back and forth to houston on prep not smart, um, but did it anyways and then uh to I always. So what helped me the most was always taking at least two years off. Okay, I'll tell anybody unless you're. You're getting feedback from the judges like oh, you're right there, take your time, take two, three years off. I know that sucks, cause everyone in this industry wants to be, you know, pro level tomorrow, but just take your time, um, and that's you know what I did at least two years off every time and I came back better and better every time and at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. I'm a firm believer in that. I think the very select few, very, very select for you can go pro and actually make a career out of it.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause you. Honestly. You have a better chance of just being an Instagram influencer and going that route. Then you do a pro body, but there's no money in it. Zero, it's a money pit.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially with the females.
Speaker 1:So, competing, competing, yeah, and like. So time out I'll go back to why I even went into competing bodybuilding. So, obviously, growing up on these air-based gyms, dad taught me bodybuilding. He had the Flex magazine sitting there, muscle and fitness, and yeah, I saw it open up.
Speaker 1:Jay Cutler, Ronnie, I'm going to do their chest workout, do their back, and that's how we got information. You remember that shit. If you wanted to order protein, if you ordered, if you wanted to order protein, you did it from the back pages of that, you know. And then early days of gnc. But man, like I had, I remember I'd rip pages off in the gym like lee haney's back workout. All right, I'm gonna do that and have this little like folded up shit in my gym bag. But you know, that's how we did it back then. And so, going through, I always you know, I was always in the gym. I taught my family. It was like we're doing this every day. We were five-, six-day-a-week lifters or workout. You know I was running a lot too because I played soccer. But yeah, it was like we're not going to sit at home and just be lazy, we're going to the gym. You know, we're working hard.
Speaker 1:Um, so fast forward thought I was gonna go pro in football, had to make peace with that dream. And then I was like man, what do I do? Like I just, I, uh, just started in the oil field at one of my working for one of my buddies at Baker Hughes it's now GE, but yeah, I was a chemical service representative slaying chemical in the oil field and I was like I'm not an athlete anymore. Like that was such my identity, like because I mean growing up college ball. You have I like that was such my identity, like cause I mean growing up college ball. You have this like brotherhood. And then you're lifting with the boys. It's like some of the best lifts ever. Like insane, you know it. Like you, you, you play ball, like you know how that is.
Speaker 1:And then you go to not and like for me, I always. Then you go to not and like for me, I always needed the gym. Like for my mental, like everything. Like I just needed I have to go to the gym. I'm one of those. So I didn't have that like what are you training for anymore? Okay, yeah. And so I was like well, I like the gym, I'm going to still go. So I guess I'm going to like bodybuild now. Bodybuilding in the term of literally building up my body to look good, that's it. Like, no, didn't think about competing. No, none of that. If you had asked me then if I would ever compete, I would have said no. But you know, things change.
Speaker 1:And then so I met Lauraura and uh, she was actually. She was a trainer, full-time um, at one of the big cities next to us and she was doing, uh, she was like I need to know how this whole deal goes. She preppedpped herself. She, you know, did all this research, watch all this YouTube. That's when YouTube fitness was really kicking off. She watched a lot of, uh, christian Guzman, so the alpha elite CEO that was back when he was getting going and uh, she needed to know that, how it felt and how to go about prepping so she could, in turn, coach clients which is what you need to do.
Speaker 1:You cannot, as a trainer, put someone through something that you've never experienced. That's, that's a no-no for me. Like you have to know how bad like the hunger is, how bad the aches are mentally, how tough it is physically, how tough it is like. So she did that and I was like okay, that's cool, I'll support you. Well, I guess I needed I know I needed to learn the nutrition side of it more. So I was like I'll do this prep with you prep. I was like I'll do this prep, I'll essentially just I was like I'll do this prep, I'll essentially just cut and we do a photo shoot. So I was like cool, and this is back.
Speaker 1:You know this stage in life when we would eat a whole pizza, go into bed and just wake up just shredded. It was awesome, right, yeah. So I was like met her, I was in full bulk, stupid, like dirty bulk bulk, eating a ton of like family-sized damn pizza rolls and like she's got her little. And I felt bad. So I was like I need to clean this shit up.
Speaker 1:And you know I'd been thinking about getting into training. I was like I just need to learn it. So that's when I started like actual taking it serious. And then you take it serious, it's weird, you grow. So I put on probably I was like 200 pounds, probably retired from football, and then put on like a quick 20 and like. So I was like, well, maybe I can compete, so that's all, that's how all that basically came to be. And then you know just the the hunger for more as I was, you know, younger is like I do want to get better and like I was always gonna bodybuild. And at that time I thought, oh, I need to compete if I bodybuild.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:No, no, I wish someone would have smacked me in the face. Yeah, you don't have to do that. And like I kind of realized this, in my last prep I went to Vegas to train with Neil Hill, chris Geth and my good buddy. He got me hooked up with Neil and I trained out there with him and man, it was just that was I was in prep and that was like the funnest time I had in a while was like just training. He kicked the fuck out of me. Like it was tough, it was good, like learned a ton of stuff, but stuff. But man, it was just fun to train and I was like I don't and personally I really don't like this stage. I don't like I don't I'm not one of those that can stand up and speak in front of people and never like that. And like I don't like the light to be on me. Like I'm good, like if we all stand up and line up, cool, but like the routine and stuff like that I don't really like it okay and show day is super, super stressful.
Speaker 1:Anybody that's done it knows like it's just it's like all this prep. So thinking, think about like a four to six month prep being on it for just like total of maybe 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:So you're prepping four to six months.
Speaker 1:Or I can do four, because I lean out pretty fast.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Some people do like eight months.
Speaker 2:So there's people that are doing up to eight months of a prep to stand on stage.
Speaker 1:For no less than 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:That's insane to me, yeah, and I look at people in the gym. I mean, ricky, all these dudes, you, these guys that go through these preps, y'all are fucking miserable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the closer you get, the worse it gets, and it should be. By the way, prep is a choice. Anyone that's like oh, you don't have to do it, you do not have to do it, you know that's what it takes. That's what it takes, it does. It takes literally like it takes literally thinking about getting out of your car to go into the gym to do fucking cardio sometimes it's that bad yes, mentally and like once you get going, it's fine.
Speaker 1:Um, and I just gotta say this before I forget if you, if you've never competed, don't ever walk up to someone in prep and basically even talk to them, just don't even do it, because you have no idea what they're going through. You can't comprehend it, you never will, so don't even, just don't, acknowledge them.
Speaker 2:That's the worst time to distract people.
Speaker 1:In that moment I don't have an ounce of energy for you. If you don't understand what I'm going through and I'm an asshole, and so is everyone else and you should be because it sucks, what sucks, like what's.
Speaker 1:It's all mental right. Okay, anyone can go in and do like go lift every day, go do this lifting, easy, it's the food, the food. And then you got to prioritize sleep. And then I mean you, you do have to. I think a really good coach is important because, yeah, I mean you and me, we could shred up like, boom, we're going to go run three, four miles every day, cut those cars, but we'll lose that muscle too. The key to good prep is slowly just burning that fat off and keeping full muscle, and that's a whole art in itself. How do I mean, how do you do that? It takes time and everybody's different. So that's why it's like there's no rhyme or reason. Get a good coach and then you gotta start to figure out what. What do fats do, in this instance, what you know? How, how do you react to carb cycling? What foods are you sensitive to?
Speaker 1:everyone's different, and so it's like that's also funny when people do preps with coaches and they do one prep and it sucks, it might not go right yeah and that's usually the first one for a coach is like let's not do anything crazy, let's see if we can try some things, because that first time is like a shot in the dark. It really is. Then you get to know your clients. But it's funny, when people do bad, they're like coach's fault, I'm out, go to a different coach. Well, now, you just started that over instead of giving them another chance to learn your body.
Speaker 2:And to build a foundation? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:And that's just. That's part of the new industry. Honestly, is like there's no loyalty anymore. People just jumping at H&M.
Speaker 2:Oh, really oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Like they don't. I don't like that. They jump brands, they jump coaches and it's just. There's no loyalty anymore. And I get it Like those people at that level. You know they have to make money too, I get it. But it's just kind of sad when you see the young kids look up to these people and they're just like just all over the place with shit.
Speaker 2:Well then I feel every and this goes for every industry is that if you're a brand hopper, a homie hopper, you never are able to build a credible name because you're just going with whatever subs are going to give you this or whatever company is going to send you this. And then you see these guys and it's funny, because I'm not in the fitness industry, I guess if anything it would be more outdoor world. But even with funny, because I'm not in the fitness industry, I guess if anything it'd be more outdoor world. But even with that I'm done with it. But it's just. You see one guy and he's telling you how great something is for a season and gets all these people to buy in on it, and then the next season they're on to something completely different.
Speaker 1:This was better because, and then over the next couple of years you just watch these people from like company to company and it just ruins, yeah, everything well and like, nowadays there's such a I don't know what you would call it like these youngsters think they can be these influencers and it's like you have such a slim chance of that, like I know maybe two people that have actually I've seen it happen and it's wild chant, life-changing really then blow up in the fitness industry from nothing to like what they do world recognition, it's a look okay, and then they, they get that opportunity with the brand and a good brand. You know that will take care of them all the way through. Yeah, and yeah they just start blowing up, but it's, it's a gift, like either you're funny or you have the look or you know something that people like. But I feel like all these kids think that they can do it so easily and it's like no, like these. That person that I'm talking about, she works her ass off. She, and what's cool about her? She doesn't care to live to film her lifts. She works her ass off and that's why I trained her. She just moved. But like, they get to that point because they work hard, not just because they're like oh, let's set up the tripod, let's go through some motions, like it's a lot more than that.
Speaker 1:And also too. You can't I feel you can't rely on just the social media. You've got to have something else there. These kids coming back to competing they're throwing all their money into competing and they will never even get first call-outs in a show, so they'll never win a show. They just don't have one. Being genetics, I don't like that, though. You can outwork genetics, but work ethic not there. And just like discipline not there. And you can't tell them like listen, you're never going to amount to that. But they just want to compete. And like the girls' bikinis are thousands of dollars. So show day for a girl, we get guys, get it so easy. We buy this little mankini, get the tan golden done right. Or my trunk, like custom trunks were like 50 bucks right, oh, okay yeah, girls, all the bling, so just the bikini, probably a couple thousand.
Speaker 1:Then they got to wear all this jewelry fake jewelry, shit to just be blingy really they get graded on this, yes. And earrings, all that shit. Hair makeup, full makeup that costs a couple hundred bucks. You know they usually get their own tans because all of them are different, and hair it just adds up for the girls.
Speaker 2:So for prep day, after going months and months and months of just working hard, then you're paying thousands to go to the show, plus to compete at the show.
Speaker 1:And the MPC, ifbb. They're just raising their prices. It used to be like per class. When I started, it was like $20. Now it's like $150.
Speaker 2:Just to compete In one class.
Speaker 1:So if I have a newbie I'm like I really want you to do amateur and then the open. That's $300 for two. Sometimes they do more than that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And like with the older classes, masters or open. So masters is 35 plus. Forget about it. Why do you want to? You're going to pay all that for that, and I get it. It's a money thing, but at the end of the day, I wish I would have realized it sooner. Like, and I would like to tell more people you can bodybuild and love bodybuilding. Don't even call it. You can love weightlifting. You don't have to compete. You do not have to compete like why don't you just train to look good naked? Boom, easy, right.
Speaker 2:You don't have to go on stage I feel that's the point where I'm at in life, where it's like I just want to. I just, I just want to look, I want to feel good, yeah, I don't need to compete, I don't need to think about stepping on stage, I want to live my life where I can travel, I can eat clean on the road, but also if I want to have a fucking badass meal, I could do it right and not have to worry that my whole entire week or month is ruined because I'm on the road for a few days.
Speaker 2:And I feel like so many more people would be so much happier like that.
Speaker 1:That is what I realized after training with Neil is just I love training, I love it. I just want to. I would love I'm going to get more sessions in with him. I just want to learn, because I love one-on-one training, because I am such a I mean, you've lived it with me Like it's all about form and you got to feel it um, and I just want to learn more from the best I ever do it. No, I don't need to step on stage and maybe I will like I'm only 35 at the end of this year maybe I'll step on stage for masters, but it's just right now with you know, in my it's just, I am so good with just bodybuilding and if I do want the added discipline in something hard, then I'll just cut. I'll cut into the summer. We're going to get you right for the summer.
Speaker 2:I need to. It's time dude.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's time we're going to get you right for the summer. Yeah, literally after this, we're going to order all your stuff and do that.
Speaker 2:Let's joke, okay, all right. Yeah, segue Segue, yeah, okay, since we're on this topic, yeah, let's do it. I'm 40, bro, I'm 40.
Speaker 1:40 and 40 be like damn, you're old, but I don't, yeah, you don't feel old.
Speaker 2:No, fuck, no, dude, no, no, it's like the best especially I'll be honest, in the gym there's a lot of days like there's especially the gym we work out. There's some massive human beings in there. So besides those dudes, that are just absolute gorillas of human beings. I look and at them like bro, I feel like I could, just, I could hang. Yeah, I feel like the whole range of that age group.
Speaker 1:You talk about your because I know you played ball. I don't know if a lot of people know that side of you. You played football hockey. Growing up. I know you're lifting with the boys. You know how it goes.
Speaker 2:We had the greatest coach in high school. He ended up getting fired because he was too much.
Speaker 1:Imagine a drill instructor straight out of marine corps boot camp and then they dropped him as a high school football coach. Awesome, with no like. All the all the kids loved him, but parents didn't like him and he had some soft-ass kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was all politics during that time. He, he, he was the greatest coach ever and dude he's who turned us on to the gym. We had a whole gym built on to our school during those years and incredible state of the art at that time and that's what got me started and I was like, and he had programs. This dude was, he was evil, he was absolutely evil, but that was like how your dad yeah, sick, they're sick. It became life dad, yeah sick, they're sick.
Speaker 1:It became life, though. Yeah, and that was just the norm. You become that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're like and then, once you see it, then you're like oh, I can outwork you any day of the week. It's so addicting.
Speaker 2:And I feel now, at this stage, right now and I took some years off, you know, I just so I use it as an excuse and that's what it really was. Yeah, I mean there's no excuse, but I use it now you like. I didn't hardly see you a couple years because you were on the road hiding and this and that I mean as soon as I get into a groove and I'll be like hey, dude, I'll wish this trip.
Speaker 2:I'll see you in three months when I get back from wherever I'm going, you know, and it's been really tough, but I've tried to maintain, and so now I'm 40. My only thing that really I can feel myself is getting stiff. And so, other than that though, I mean, man, like I feel like it's still move some way, I could still just move my body, and but I would love to legitimately Lock in to a program and we started, and I want to start in the next couple of weeks, cause I'm going to do a fast Yep, I'm shooting for 10 days, but I think seven is my goal, depending on how I feel at seven, because I need, I want to get started on this journey, but I want like a reset.
Speaker 2:I want to reset man. I want to reset my immune system. I need to reset my guts yeah after my brother dying of fucking cancer. It helps rebuild all your stem cells. It helps fight cancer cells I mean that's eat cancer, yeah your body goes into the survival mode and and rebuilding mode almost and I feel at 40 and everything I've put my body through with the inflammation and just breaking bones and collapsing along and all that shit yeah I feel like cool, I'm ready.
Speaker 2:You know, I've healed from that last accident. I finally feel that I'm good, and so now that I'm turning 40, or turn 40, yeah, I'm ready to get back to where I can be comfortable. I would love to be somewhat lean, but I want to live a happy life. I mean, I have a bakery bro.
Speaker 1:I want to have some sourdough at the end of the day that's right, you know.
Speaker 2:So where do we start, dude? Where would I even start on this?
Speaker 1:So I mean, with everything, it's always get your blood work done. Okay, got to see what's going on and I'm a big advocate of the TRT, which is supplementing testosterone. I don't think like the range is. Everyone who takes this knows the range is so big. The range is everyone who takes this knows the range is so big. And for doctors to say, like, if you're just in the range which is like 400 to like 1,200, like you're good.
Speaker 2:That's not a range. Yeah, like what Chunk? Yeah, you're in that region over there, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:But like, honestly, that's why it's dumb, because literally, let's throw a number out there 600 to you, 600 test. Come back, blood work. I got you know my count's at 600. You might feel really good. You're like awesome Because, let's say you were functioning more around the twos or even less, and I'm at the same six, and I feel like dog shit Because let's say you were functioning more around the twos or even less, and I'm at the same six and I feel like dog shit. Maybe I need to be at eight, maybe I need to be a thousand, maybe you do. I know like big dudes like you, like over six foot, over 240 pounds, that do very minimal, very minimal, and they can get by with that. But their natural is what? 500, let's say. They just need to be right at that. 650 and they're cruising.
Speaker 1:It's euphoric, okay it's motivation that sex drive pumps in the gym, clarity, all of it all from just that a little tweak, literally your hormone, like it controls, like your thought process and attitude and mind, like you have, like it has. There's a reason why, like, your hormones got to be in sync, yeah, to function optimally, okay. And so I would say, for anyone who hasn't got their blood tested in the last six months, just do it, just see where you're at, especially men, because what age you recommend?
Speaker 1:well, I mean, you're gonna start, you're gonna start losing. Uh, they say you're gonna start losing. Uh, your natural test is gonna decrease in your early 20s no shit yeah, but I know my buddy's grandpa is 87 and he has 1100 tests good for that dude chases his, chases his wife around, still like you know, naturally, and you know, but there's a lot of that's another story. But that dude works his ass off still like in the gym 87.
Speaker 1:There's a reason for that, you know, so it's like I would say, yes, we're going to get your blood work done. Do you have to go straight from blood work to TRT injecting? No, there's a lot of other shit. Okay, I like it because it seems, and I like test E. Okay, okay. So usually doctors would probably test sipionate because it's a longer chain, stays in your system longer, so less injections, if you will.
Speaker 1:So I like test E because I don't necessarily want the big valleys and the big uh peaks yeah I kind of want to stay right in there and that's that's helped me since, and if we're going to look way back to when I first started, steroids, oh my god yeah that's a good one.
Speaker 2:Let's go there um okay, so your first cycle you ever ran.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to talk, holy shit.
Speaker 2:Let's talk steroids, because it's such a taboo, it's got such a stigma. I mean, you got the guy that walks around the expo is like, nah, you're not, and people get so offended over it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some people that's like we're fighting and some are like let's talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I feel so. My very first cycle I put on 19 pounds in 20 days I got up to 200 in. Yeah, I was stupid.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.
Speaker 2:No, we all did. I'm just filling syringes and just Well, tell them, tell them.
Speaker 1:Timeframe there's the same time frame no instagram, no facebook. This is no nada, yeah this is like hey, bro, you're big as fuck, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:which, that's it from and then you know where I was getting my steroids from were narcotics cops? Yeah undercover narco cops were my fucking plug for all my steroids, Go figure, right yeah, and nobody you know, I didn't know, man, and I'm just test deca sussed.
Speaker 1:I'm just fat boy stacking what the homie gives you. You're busting it down. This with this, this with this.
Speaker 2:Oh my God.
Speaker 1:And that's how I did it for years.
Speaker 2:I mean, dude, I was in the Marine Corps. I'm 290 pounds in the Marine Corps, just shredded, stupid People were looking at me.
Speaker 1:I've seen people show me yeah.
Speaker 2:Looking and I'm like oh fuck, I got to chill Drug tested. I got to chill out on this, you know, but it was just so dumb and that's where I just couldn't breathe, I couldn't run. I mean I'd walk up a flight of stairs.
Speaker 1:You know what's wild? These kids are doing that now and they have all the info in the world on it.
Speaker 2:And they still can't do it right they still are dumbasses. Okay, so steroids, yeah, let's talk about your first cycle.
Speaker 1:Mine was kind of like that, but luckily I started super light. So I was playing football. I was 21 years old. My roommate was getting big and he same same love for the gym. He played.
Speaker 1:That dude played hockey and he was not an enforcer at like 260 pounds, six, four on skates. He was a dangler, anyways, amazing athlete. But huge, like would warm up. This is where, like you're in college and like that one dude and you're just like I'm just gonna watch you do your thing, bro. Yeah, he would warm up, 405, decline. He's like, just stand there. And I was like what do you mean? He's like, don't touch it, just stand there. It was like a mental thing. But the whole gym would stop and he just, I'm like dude. And he's like, yeah, so his older brother was down in the cities, big dude, just massive bodybuilder. And he's like, hey, do you guys want to start? And I knew I was steroids. I didn't know what test was this? Sus that trend this. What test was this? Yeah, suss that trend this. And he's like, luckily, luckily, he was like this is what you do. Just take he did give me test c or sorry test e.
Speaker 1:It was like yep twice a week and it started super low, which is I'm glad he did that. I didn't know what it was to take, and this when I was. I should not have started when I did, I'll be totally honest, should have waited. No one should start when they're 21, like that.
Speaker 2:What age do you recommend?
Speaker 1:So I should have got blood work done.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 1:And then if I at that time I would have been like I probably would have still done it, you couldn't have told me nothing.
Speaker 2:You're fucking. I probably would have still done it you couldn't have told me nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it how he did it. Well, not how he did it. He wasn't trying to convince me what it was is he's like listen, you're going to recover, You're going to be able to train harder. I was like I'm going to NFL. So I'm like, give me that shit, I don't care, I'm going to NFL, nfl. Okay. So I trained hard and I took it and, yeah, I gained a bunch of muscle but luckily I was on such a low dose. I was on, like, honestly, no more than 200, which is a great place to start. I would recommend, like even you like 200, see how you feel you know, but that was good, came off. He taught me how to PCT, which is post psychotherapy. See how you feel you know, but that was good, came off. He taught me how to PCT, which is post-psychotherapy. Taught me a lot, man.
Speaker 1:Back then I didn't know that the vials came with the powder and you get your back water. I sent an email. I was like this froze because I was in Minnesota this fucking froze, what the fuck. And I'm like this froze Cause I was in Minnesota this fucking froze, what the fuck. And I'm like have to do my PCT and I'm like trying to like pop it open to see if it like we'll go back into solution. And they're like no, add your one mil of backwater. Idiot. Like I'm like gotcha, no, but I didn't know, but that's the thing I didn't know, right?
Speaker 2:so luckily, and I wasn't doing blood work.
Speaker 1:I didn't do a shit. If you'd have told me white dog shit eating it would have got me to the nfl, I would have ate white dog shit. I don't care like that's my, that was my mindset yeah funny story.
Speaker 1:We were getting drug tested and I was like, oh shit, luckily it was for marijuana, okay. And I was like, and all the dudes smoking weed were like fuck. And I'm over here like, yeah, we're good Because my test is probably like. You know, it's up there because I'm young plus I'm running stuff. But no, so that was my first ever cycle, was 21, still in school, training my ass off, partying my ass off. It's not good. But yeah, I mean, luckily he taught me. He didn't teach me much, he told me do it this way.
Speaker 1:And then, just from from that, like knowing what I know now is like god he could have really fucked me up, yeah, but uh, he did care about us and so it was just tests, no other. I didn't run any other like no mass, no other orals till like 28, when I was like done, I was just doing a little bit like test, a little bit like 12 weeks, 12 weeks off yeah, that was it and put on good weight like slow and steady.
Speaker 1:I was never one to like do a bunch of the orals and like put on weight like real quick. I never had that. I always heard the stories and I always thought that was awesome, but that was never me. I think I got a hold when I started doing my first show and stuff. I got a good coach that knew and put me on protocol and kind of taught me some stuff. But yeah, that was my first go at it and it's wild's wild to like look back then like there was nothing. Instagram literally probably just started when I was 21 but there was no like yeah it was all taboo, man you.
Speaker 1:You literally had to go ask the big dude in the gym like and hopefully he's not a psycho. You know running, because we know those dudes running 750 and then 500 trend 500 mass orals on top. You're like dude, aren't? You dead right now, and so that's another point I want to touch on is like the drug game has gotten almost out of hand.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:So back in the day it was harder to get, People didn't do it as much because the industry didn't have as much interest.
Speaker 2:Well, not as much light on it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because it was the old school. You're a meathead, you know that. And now it's like oh, you're weird if you don't go to the gym. Um interest, well, not as much light on it. Yeah, because it was.
Speaker 2:It was the old school. Is that? You're a meathead, you know that.
Speaker 1:And now it's like oh, you're weird if you don't go to gym like, which is cool, but it's. It's a different dynamic. But with the competing you're seeing younger and younger, and this is where I think social media has negatively affected the fitness industry. Okay, is it's got these. Everyone, you know, young, whatever, everyone looking at um, you know looking their best and wanting those results overnight. And the young kids are turning pro sooner and sooner. But they're taking way more drugs earlier and earlier.
Speaker 1:Because once I mean once you start a cycle, there's no really going back under that. It's levels Like you're not going to get that same results back there again. No, you got to go up and they want to do it fast. So it's up, up, up, up, up, okay. So that's one thing I'm glad I did not do. Always came off good. But with drugs back then and we're talking, if I talk back then probably Arnold days pure Arnold was getting drugs from his doctor who were his buddies. That's a different story, not the local drug dealer, you know. So there's a lot more pure. We have way more sources now. People, you know counterfeiting stuff, cutting stuff, and you're still getting there's. It's still illegal. You're not, you're not just going down to the store to buy it, you know, and um, so, and with the peptides and all this, there's so much to keep up on and there's so much, or I say so many more ways to really fuck your system up.
Speaker 2:Well and. I feel, with these kids. There's so many of these young, just yoked out dudes on social now Because, you know, I got a teenage daughter and I see the boys and I hear what they're talking about and all of them are just. They all want to run cycles at this age these like 16, 17 years old and I feel there's nobody really out there talking about the side effects and the long-term side effects that these kids have no idea what they're getting into.
Speaker 2:And it's scary because you got the trend twins. I mean those guys, their names built off of that. You got the Suliks or whatever. These dudes are just giant, but they're eating a bowl of cereal before bed that's like old school shit and I feel like these kids they have. So they're, they're looking up to the, these the wrong guys, because they don't have the. And I'm not saying these teams were any better, but the dorian yates and yeah and that our era. Guys right, but they weren't like that.
Speaker 1:There was such a respect there. Yes, and those are the guys that almost wouldn't talk about it to just anyone it's almost like a gatekeep, but back then those guys knew who was serious and who wasn't. Now it's just free for all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's true, I watched as much you know, and it's like, it's true, like I watched, you know as much as I could and read about jay cutler, like what was he doing? You know this and that, but it's like now it's just, yeah, oh, trend twins are running this much at this age. I, I gotta do that too, you know. And it's like, just read, just look at trend, just read the side effects of that. And I've, by the way, I've ran trend, I've, I ran trend the last three preps. Such a small amount, like we're talking, 150 is the highest I got okay, and there's actually a bunch of articles now that actually microdosing it would probably be better, just less toxicity.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a whole other story. But we're getting back to yeah, they see these people and what they run. And on social it's like oh, name your cycle. There's a bunch of guys that do that Like hey, coach, rate my cycle, name your cycle. Like there's a bunch of guys that do that Like, hey, coach, rate my cycle. And those are good, because I think the guy doing it really like is like dude, that's way too much, and shit like that.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:But there wasn't that when we were there, no, no.
Speaker 1:You know. So it's like they have all this that's what I mean where they have all this access and they're like bro, these, these kids, kids are running like over 500 tests, over five shit. I've never even touched before the highest. I'll tell you right now, the highest I've ever ran, test 500 on full blast. I got blood work done and I was running uhust 250 twice a week and at 200. And I was over 1,000. Like it was almost off the chart. So they were like come down, I'm like, I'm good. Less is more.
Speaker 2:Less is more, but these kids aren't thinking of that.
Speaker 1:No, they're thinking oh, more is more muscle. Actually, more is if you actually fucking work hard and go to failure. Go to bed, eat your food. That's it, that's it not. Not, there's no magic pill. You know what I mean? There's no magic pill and I do like, and I do like. Going back to you, said when we started about how I don't want to keep going into coaching competitors is because mostly of the drugs.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I cannot. And's my mostly my females. I cannot justify putting them on what some of these female athletes pros are on.
Speaker 2:I can't do that to them I've watched these videos and these from the olympia or wherever, yeah, and these guys interviewing and they're like you're natty and these girls and these women and what they're, they're cycling and I'm and then they always ask and in the what I find interesting is all of them said they were natural till they wanted to go pro and the only way to go pro is you have to do steroids male or female, pretty Pretty much, yeah, and they're like, in order for me to compete, I have to get on a cycle in order to even just think about getting a call out or anything. And that's where the sport I mean the sport's probably been there for a while, but now it's like that. There's no way.
Speaker 1:And then that's what, and that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Nothing Like, do your thing, but when these kids think that's it no Like and it's so hard. I've built up some great athletes and I have a couple young girls and they want to be pro, like tomorrow and I'm like you're 16. A couple of these girls I've gotten when they were 16. And phenomenal athletes, great work ethic but they see this toxic bullshit on Instagram and they compare themselves to it In like wellness, right, wellness is like the new cool thing big ass, big thighs, small upper body, awesome look, they want that. As a young woman developing woman yeah, and I'm like time out.
Speaker 1:I want you to literally go home and see what that girl looked like at your age. Compare that, because my girls are light years ahead of that shit. But it's the hardest part is telling them no, we're not running any cycles, we're just going to food, you know, and lift hard and rest. You're still in school, you're still in high school. You can do this forever, this forever. Let's just build. Let's build a base, you know. And then, yeah, I've, I've lost girls because I won't put them on certain stuff really I won't.
Speaker 1:I won't do it and yes, they will. I 100. If I add some of these compounds in, they will look a lot better, but I will not do it.
Speaker 2:So this is an interesting part about the fitness world and to me and I've kind of said it for years is how I because I watched Britt go through a prep right before she got pregnant, which was we have no idea how it even freaking happened.
Speaker 1:Right, I can tell you how that yeah and.
Speaker 2:But the the craziest part was what she put her body through and I and I've never competed. I've never had the urge to compete not my thing, even at my most giant ripped out of my mind. It was never even a thought, right. But I watched. Yeah, you go through this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like her period stopped.
Speaker 2:She lost her period, I mean, she was bro she was a zombie and I'm looking at her. I'm like this isn't, this isn't healthy no, and this is not point right there.
Speaker 1:The health and fitness industry is not health is not the health industry no, no, it's so, far from it.
Speaker 2:People that try to justify them.
Speaker 1:Being in the fitness industry is healthy I know we, oh my god, like bad I look at like chris gethin yeah that's the health yeah, yeah, that's yes that's health industry.
Speaker 2:The competitive side of the health industry I feel, feel is the biggest scam.
Speaker 1:And that's why he doesn't do that shit anymore either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, and it's like, how do you try to tell some young kid that's trying to compete, or some girl hey, chances are you're going to lose your period, you're going to have all these side effects. That's, if they're not running gear, then you add gear to it. That's even worse, yeah. And then these girls, their voices are changing, their bodies are changing and that shit doesn't go back on a woman a lot of the times. No, so there's a lot of permanent side effects from these women competing and it's very obvious once you've seen it.
Speaker 1:It is, and like I put girls on stuff, you know, anivar Klen but some of these girls are like they're taking tests, they're taking insulin, they're taking like masks and that's fine, but like quantities that I wouldn't put on some young men Really, yeah, and I'm like I can't do that. Like I'm good, like Anivar, awesome. You know, the side effects are very minimal. That's why we do that with females. But like this harder stuff, this toxic stuff, I can't do it to these girls, especially like I know my clients. They want to have families, you know, later in life and if, like, say, something happened and then competing was part of the reason they couldn't, I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not one bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm, I've made peace with it. I going forward, you know, I my clients, I'll prep them. They've been whatever. I don't think I'm taking new ones on as far as doing their whole prep. Yep, I want to be one-on-one with people and I'm going to make training programs. That's it like I'm making you one for 40 year old dad get shredded.
Speaker 2:I think we do it, dude. I think we turn it into something where, I mean, it's a huge demographic of guys out there, military dudes like you said, bro, cause I've gotten with, cause, you know, I have a 3 year old.
Speaker 1:I want to be able to like run with her and play till I'm croaked, you know. So I can't do that. If I'm just bodybuilding, I gotta add some functional stuff to it yeah we gotta move. We didn't.
Speaker 1:We don't move like we used to anymore no so like implementing you know shit like hot yoga and stuff like that, I need to do that more and that's going to be in your plan too, yeah, but that's where I'm at and that's's more. So who I want to kind of help going forward. It's like, yeah, let's get you back to feeling and then also looking like you did mid-20s. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I feel like you could do it too. I feel it just takes that structure that I haven't just focused on.
Speaker 1:And with you. Yeah, we just like I told you, you got to live too. So you guys have the sourdough company. You can't not eat that. So it's a matter of you know, let's put, let's time that. So you're uptaking it right and it's balanced. At the end of the day, you can make it work. You know, and you asked me yesterday when we were lifting, like how fast can that happen? Well, it can happen pretty fast, but how disciplined do you want to go with it? Like there's a happy medium. You want to cut, we can do it. You want to get there by an end date? That's a different story. Like you know what I mean. So, yeah, I think I think we do it. We get you where you want to be and then go from there I think we should do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we build out some plan and then that way we could almost document the thing or at least I'll do it and show man like if I'm 40 years old and broken, as beat up as I am, and I can, if I can do it, but I don't't. I want to be able to live. These are my, my requirements.
Speaker 1:I gotta live. These are non-negotiables.
Speaker 2:I want to be able to have a strict diet, but I want to be able to eat whatever I want, easy, whenever I want. But I I don't eat super dirty like no now, but it's just the sourdough.
Speaker 2:Um, I want to. I got to be able to travel. That's the thing. I come on the road so much and I'm not going to always have just, and I want to be able to eat food that I enjoy. Yeah, that's, that's the part. Hardest part for me is I'm not going to eat fucking steamed vegetables, sweet potato and boiled chicken every day no now if I was stepping on stage, cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to 40 years old man yeah, those days I want to be able to have but it could be clean.
Speaker 2:And if it's portions and that's what I have to dial in cool. And if it's eating more meals a day to make up for those one or two big meals I'm eating now, perfect I'm cool with all that and it's not even the work part. The work part of the gym is cool. That's easy. That's the easy part, it's the diet for me.
Speaker 1:It is, and with dads and busy individuals in general, sleep. It's got to be a priority. You don't do that, you ain't going to do anything, and then what's good is you don't drink anymore either. That's big.
Speaker 2:Honestly, when I do this fast, I'm going off everything. All of it, yeah, everything.
Speaker 1:That's how you do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, I don't know why I jumped back on so quick. You're pressuring me to get back in, but yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll decide.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'll decide, but no, I mean, I went completely sober off everything for over a month. It felt great. But yeah, I think that's how I need to start. This is to do a pure cleanse and just start and then that way I can drop some weight, get to a good start and then I'm not coming back in just eating full meals.
Speaker 1:It's very small and that's the only thing, is like going forward, like with um, with that is, and with most people is going to be diet just yeah just how you got to make it work for you. But most people aren't eating enough, so your body's like I'm 100 guilty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're definitely not so we just, yeah, we got them up that frequency. Up that frequency so your body knows it's getting protein every three hours and they're not big meals by any means. But to let your body know, hey, you don't have to store this as fat, because we're going to be eating, so that everyone's different. So that might take a little bit while, but one, but once that is kicking, that metabolism's going, yeah, golden, but it's just, this is getting there and it is hard to break. You know those habits, it is, it's, it's not a overnight thing I I'm one of those people.
Speaker 2:If I have to break a habit, I have to do a cold turkey. I'll never do it right. I just if I get a little taste of something, yeah, and I know what if I remember what it tastes like? I'll, I'm fucking in. Yeah, that's my problem so I have to, and it sucks like whenever I'm done with something, it is person. So yeah, so that's where I'm at and that's why I think, because I have to get that colonoscopy. I know, next week.
Speaker 1:Oh, because it's yeah, I gotta do it every few years since my brother passed and uh it's been fuck.
Speaker 2:It's already been a few blood work too. Yeah, it's one ospy blood work, I guess I guess once my blood work it's been, who local should I go see? Is there anybody you recommend?
Speaker 1:yeah, um caleb caleb doc caleb doc caleb shout out Muscle Doc, fuck that dude.
Speaker 2:You know he's the most perfect specimen of a human being.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like he's got perfect and the most injured.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, I'm going to throw a picture. I'm not saying fuck this guy.
Speaker 1:It's pure out of jealousy. He's a beauty, this dude.
Speaker 2:If women could probably in their mind build some 40 shades of gray motherfucker, it would be this dude.
Speaker 1:He is such a doctor.
Speaker 2:He's got a beautiful head of hair, ranch head.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's just your all-American Meathead. Yeah, fuck that dude. He's on posters all over the gym. I look at him like no, he's our doc. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:You need a doc that lifts. I believe in that, so yeah, okay, so I'm gonna hit him up my meathead, doc.
Speaker 2:You should get him on here on the show and I'll have him about everything, but yeah yeah, so I'm gonna get with him, get that scheduled and then that'll be my first step. But I guess we could just document this for see that for all, if there's any other dads that want to follow along or hit you up, and yeah no, whatever I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dms are open. I love helping you know people out, so just it doesn't, it's all good, yeah just hit me up.
Speaker 2:What's the number one thing you see people doing wrong in the gym? I know there's probably a lot for being a trainer, but what's a big mistake? That you see that just you're just like absolutely irks you in the gym um, so it'd be.
Speaker 1:I would say it's a dynamic of people that you see year after year after year with no change, that really want to change that and to me, with just a little bit of work they could get where they want to be, but there's not that extra gear.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:And like I mean that's why I don't train certain people. But biggest pet peeve, though, is just if that old school, not old school gym etiquette, if that's if you're disrespecting that, like get off your phone, like I don't care. If you're setting up tripods, like I'm not one of those, I don't care.
Speaker 2:I'll be honest with you. I'm gonna interrupt you for an older guy in the gym.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I support that. Yeah, I think it's really cool because it shows your gyms full of life. You got people in there that are trying in that care that care. Yeah, I'm good with that. Just don't be a dickhead like. If somebody walks in front of your camera, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're gonna make a face, we're gonna have words but yeah I support people in the gym filming shit, because if it's helping somebody else and and you know, and they're giving proper tips or whatever and it's, oh dude, I support, but it's the yeah, if I ask you, you're on your phone yesterday bro and you have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you better get to it or we're, we're sharing yesterday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you asked, and he's a uh two more and goes back to scrolling for five minutes.
Speaker 1:I know I, I don't do well with that. No, I have to bite my tongue at that gym. Yeah, um, but yeah, it's not like I don't know if I would have done that shit back in the day. I'm telling you, someone would have snatched me up, say we don't do this, you know. So I'd love to do that, um, but yeah, they get all butt hurt. But uh, yeah, or the. I can't do the pajamas in the gym. I don't know where that started that's a her generation thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally that's a young.
Speaker 1:You don't see, I mean the guys do it more than the girls. The guys are wearing pjs more than the girls. Legit pj, by the way, and I'll I'll say it right now girls, women work harder in the gym than men. Really, thousand percent really thousand percent. There's no ego. They live slow, very slow, and usually, to feel it, guys are just in there jerking off mostly. You know what I mean like fucking ego. Let's try and press people I get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it like I was at it for the longest time and I think a lot of girls can go heavier Mentally. They have that block. But no, I train more females than men because they listen really good, they're very coachable, especially if they're athletes, and, yeah, they work their ass off. They really do. That makes sense. Yeah, it's cool to see especially the, the, the young ones, they, my young ones, cannot work all like most dudes. It's insane. Yeah, like, like it's funny story. Uh, the 16 year old, she'll get hit up by. She's a junior, so she'll get hit up by dudes at her school, like because she's a beast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like, hey, like, let's get a lift so she'll get hit up by dudes at her school, like because she's a beast, yeah, and like hey, like let's get a lift in. She absolutely buries these kids, really buries these little broccoli headed shits, and she's like, yeah, it's like they went and puked and then I finished my leg day no shit good for you like. Don't lift with them anymore. Don't let them ruin your leg day ever again.
Speaker 1:They don't get it. There's levels to this. You got to have that sixth gear in this and a lot of them do. But the girls yeah, girls can get after it. Man, they work their ass off.
Speaker 2:I believe it, you see it.
Speaker 1:You can see the dynamic in the gym man, they're motivated by having just the the nicest butt. If you just like their motivation, let's have a nice butt for the summer. They're on it, they're getting it.
Speaker 2:You just remind them every once in a while on it but a dude's like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I absolutely hate working out with you. Sometimes, though, there's um, I hate working out with you sometimes though there's.
Speaker 1:I hate working out with myself too.
Speaker 2:There's days in there where I question our friendship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, after Totally.
Speaker 2:Leg days are yeah, they're horrible, yeah, they're absolutely horrible. I don't even know how to explain it to in words, so you just Well. It doesn't None. None of your leg workout from start to finish. None of it feels healthy yeah none of it feels like it's benefiting.
Speaker 1:It's not good if it's, it's works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I'm known for leg day, so that's good, but yeah you know it's bad when people walk up, they look at me and they would be like are you doing like they was that?
Speaker 1:yeah, for me, yeah well, I don't, I don't tell you anymore that we're doing like no, because I'll always text yeah, what are we hitting crickets now?
Speaker 2:I don't worry about it if you don't respond I know it's like yeah I can't keep track of your fucking workout schedule it's so random. Like it's all, I'll go in there fully mentally prepared for late and you have to be mentally prepared for these I literally sit the parking lot for 20 minutes prepared myself for leg day and I'll go in there. You're like we're working shoulders today.
Speaker 1:I'm like oh, thank god yeah thank god yeah or yeah, or you just go back out and get your mind right and come back in.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay. So question For people listening there's so many different styles of lifting weight. Yeah, from what you've done over the years and what you've experienced because we've all gone through different phases through the industry right, there's always something new. There's always a new fad or a new style, new type of training. I feel like it all goes back to the basics, all of it Every time. What do you for people that are just wanting to get into it, or these young kids that are just looking to put on size before getting into any of the supplements, any of that shit, what do you recommend? I mean, how, what is a basic style of working out that you do? What type of lifting do you recommend? So I know everybody's different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so all mine would be hypertrophy based. So not not looking to increase strength, necessarily not power lifting, but hypertrophy. So gain muscle size. So we're looking at, I like higher reps, um unless you know you're working a little strength, um period periodization, but I like like that 12 to 15 mark. I love, you know, I love adding clusters and rest pause. I don't think you have to reinvent the wheel explain the cluster and rest pause.
Speaker 1:Um. So clusters would be um, you're pushing, let's say, through a leg extension, and then let's say you get 10 reps, you probably could have got 12. You shut it down, get a couple of breaths in, get five to six more, shut it down five to six more. So you're taking just little breaks in between clusters of reps. Those suck, those suck. So those are larger clusters. I call them rest pause.
Speaker 1:Clusters is where you take it almost till failure again, but then you take a less of a rest and less reps. So, if that makes sense, so you get your first initial cluster. Okay, rest one or two breaths, get one or two. When you can't get two, try, try and get one. Then you're done. And that's the type of training that and I'd always done the clusters, larger ones.
Speaker 1:But Neil taught me more. So his style of training, which is Y3T, very industry known and he's produced some amazing athletes with that. And he's produced some amazing athletes with that. But that style is just one variation of the clusters going to failure. And those are good, because when you don't have someone, you ain't getting those extra. You don't have someone, say on a press or on legs and helping you get that last one. Shut it down right before that. Rest a little bit, get a couple more. You'll be surprised just adding that in and that's not sustainable. By the way, that's not an every lift, every single lift, you know. Every week deal, that's getting through plateaus, you know. And really in your pushing phase you're putting food to work phase, work phase. So I like that. I do not like barbell movements per se and with that, olympic lifts. Unless you like doing them and have the skill for them, I don't think you need to do them honestly. What do you need to do them honestly?
Speaker 2:What do you mean? What do you consider? Olympic lifts, deadlifts, deadlifts, super squats, all that shit.
Speaker 1:Deadlifts. Deadlifts are good, but again, there's so many ways to mess them up. People do them wrong all the time.
Speaker 2:What are the scariest workouts? I mean, where do you see most people getting injured in the gym doing what workouts?
Speaker 1:Recently. Actually, overall I would say powerlifting Really. Yeah, I've seen knees go in powerlifting backs Not so much in bodybuilding hypertrophy, because it's very much so slower control time under tension all that yeah, and whereas you know power lifting that's just explode, get it up, type shit.
Speaker 2:But I say something and and not be completely judged or hated on, yeah go for it. I'm just. This is just my point of view. This, this is my observations. I'm not trying to trigger nobody, but why is the powerlifting industry the most unhealthy looking motherfuckers you've ever seen in your life?
Speaker 1:Exactly. I'm not hating. Oh, I'm going to stir the pot here. I'm going to say that those who can't bodybuild powerlift.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because they can't do the diet. You like to lift big weight, that's cool. I rather look like I lift big weight. You know, I say listen, no one ever got laid because they pulled 500 pounds. They got laid because they looked like they did. You know what I mean? And that's the thing too. Come on.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to hate you I know but it's, you got these dudes and they got these giant ass bellies. Cool, they could lift more than me, but it's not cool.
Speaker 1:It's not that cool.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm at the stage of my life. I'm about the vanity. Look like I like the power bodybuilders.
Speaker 2:We call them power bodybuilders when they look like beefed up, like pretty good that I was surprised cam yeah, yeah, yeah, so like that if I, okay, we're gonna have to get cam to send us a picture, so I put this on this. But if I can look like cam or um, cam is 25 years old 26 if I can look like cam played football for san diego state. Yeah, okay, stud just runs these crazy fucking crossfit triathlon things. He's weird, but um, I could. I could never do that shit. Yeah, teach their own right yeah dude, get the stud bro.
Speaker 2:I'm like all right, like that's a proportion of like cool yeah, but no, I get that.
Speaker 1:I have all respect in the world. If they do, are they are like on their diet, which a lot of them are because of weight caps and stuff? Yeah but there's a lot of just like eat shit and like go lift big weight like I don't understand, that's so easy, like that is. I could do that all day and then do like three reps and then wait 10 minutes to do it. What? Because?
Speaker 2:you're gassed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, like I can. This is funny and they won't like this. But bodybuilders can do powerlifting workouts. You guys can't do the other way around. Powerlifters can't do bodybuilding workouts. They would absolutely die. I believe it, they would die I believe, it, it would die, I believe it.
Speaker 1:It's funny to watch them do auxiliaries because they have no fucking idea how to lift. Most of them no fucking idea how to lift. I don't know what they're doing or what they're feeling, but I know that they have no idea. They they're just looking on it like, okay, I'm going to do that, but they cannot feel it. They're so focused on getting something A to B than feeling it through and they just don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean because you take us, we could be lifting.
Speaker 1:They're trying to make a weight easy as fuck. We're trying to take a weight make it hard're trying to take a weight make it hard as fuck yes, that's it. This is different. We could have 40 pounds and I'm yeah, roasted, yeah, I mean, we did shoulders 15s, 15s, strict, yeah done but then you see this giant dude next to you.
Speaker 2:He's got, he's got the 50s or 60s, but he's throwing everything. And here I am with a 15 pound and I, but everything is form time under tension and to me that feels I get more out of that than I would just grabbing an 80-pounder.
Speaker 1:And that's where less is more. So we both did the days of going into the gym. No plan, straight Western and just like Slapping plates and moving weights. Yeah, oh, that looks good, that looks good. Oh, the gym crush came in. Let's start over.
Speaker 2:Start over.
Speaker 1:Let's do that Now. It's three hours Might as well, do cardio.
Speaker 2:Like what the fuck is that Instead of four hours in the gym? Yeah?
Speaker 1:You're like what no?
Speaker 2:like the phase we're at now an hour we're almost like an hour.
Speaker 1:We might be 40 minutes, we might be 120, but we're averaging an hour yep because that yeah I don't have time for that shit.
Speaker 2:That's. I'm cool with that. That's another.
Speaker 1:That's another yeah, check for me, I got shit to do. No, I'm not going to go to the gym how we lift is we're feeling it by the first lift Like it's rough.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's how it should be.
Speaker 1:We're taking maybe three, usually two sets working sets to absolute failure in like three lifts of that muscle group. We're done, done I'm smoked, smoked, that's all you need. But the days of like searching for a pump and like doing this and that and this and that, and there was never any routine. You're not doing that anymore and that's where I am glad I did that, like I learned through trial and error, and I learned all the bad shit.
Speaker 1:I can tell you what not to do. I'll tell you, yeah, because I wish, going back, I would have got a coach earlier, when I was 20, like hey, this is how you eat as an athlete. I would have done so much better as an athlete in college. They don't teach you how to eat. They don't teach you how to lift either. It's a big, big problem because power lifting coaches are strength coaches. That's me, and me and elliot you had elliot on the show, me and elliot talked about that, and that's where it goes back to let's power clean, let's um, let's just bench press, let's heavy squats, heavy deadlifts, which I I completely for me personally.
Speaker 2:When I was in kuwait, my buddy and I we hit the. We were actually on our way out of iraq. We were in kuwait and we hit the500, where you do a 500 deadlift.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:It wasn't 1,500. 1,000 pound club I got four on bench, five on deadlift, four something on squat, but maybe it was 1,000 club. But I went to that Kuwaiti gym. Our names are on the fucking wall. They have the thing over there.
Speaker 2:But all my injuries came from squatting and deadlift. Yeah, heavy, that's stupid. Yeah, joints are like fuck you stupid and I'm just yeah, I don't need how to do it, I don't need it, I don't feel like I need, when you can, when you lift and you have purpose in that lift, you don't need to go heavy.
Speaker 1:You make it heavy yeah and that's that's load on the muscle versus weight, and that's that took dude, that took fucking years to like understand. But that's where I like to tell my youngsters I wish I would have had. Like this is this is how you do it, like you're gonna be way ahead, just do this right now. Um, but yeah, I think it is good, I learned all the bad shit so I can say, hey, don't do that yeah, listen from experience yeah, that's all it is let's talk sups yeah you have been with unmatched for a while.
Speaker 2:We had chris on the episode yeah and that was and that was a great episode. I love Chris. He's a good dude. Yeah, he's a great guy. Let's talk. The supplement world, the good and the bad, because I feel there's more bad than there is good in the supplement world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know it's a business. So I'm with yes, Unmatched, Unmatched Subs, pretty new brand by Chris Geffen and Doug Miller, and I have nothing but great things to say about it. I actually told Chris through a mutual friend, Elliot, that I heard I got wind of him coming out with the supplement line because he had been with a company, a very popular company, years prior and then so now he came out with more of his signature, like what he wants to do. That's what I feel like, like what he wants to do, that's what I feel like. And I got wind of that and I said I will leave my current sponsorship for years just because I know that Chris stands behind quality over anything. That's why he left the last one, last company. He will stand firmly behind all of his products.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's.
Speaker 1:what separates for you is the quality of the actual supplement 100%, because in this industry so many people are cutting and blends in just the cheapest way you can get something. I mean you get it Money.
Speaker 2:Marketing.
Speaker 1:It's money at the end of the day, but Chris is not going to cut it with blends. Yes, it's a higher price point. That's what you invest in for your health, but no artificial anything.
Speaker 2:That's nice.
Speaker 1:All natural, all of it, yeah, and like the subs go further than just like. Hey, this is creatine, like the dude researched and added. I can't say the name, but our creatine is cregatine, okay, and ga is an acid he combined with it to make it four times more absorbent.
Speaker 2:Really so. Okay, so you're getting more bang for your buck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, and that's not. That's unheard of.
Speaker 2:Because it's an extra cost.
Speaker 1:Well no, just because nobody goes the extra mile.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:They're like yep, that's creatine and good Creatine monohydrate, pure awesome. I think everyone should be taking it. But when Chris has found a way to make an already great product and go four times more absorbent, that's insane. That you're uptaking four times more creatine Unreal.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I only take their stuff right. So pre-workouts when traveling, totally forgot all my steps going home had to go back to. I forget what brand had to go back to, I forget what brand in a brand I've taken before and it just sat in my stomach like a rock Like and I completely noticed a difference Really?
Speaker 1:And having this because don't even think twice, like gets, like me in the zone. I know my body knows, yep, we're, we're going because I add, so I do one scoop of the stem free dissident and I do our higher stem, bh2k, but the bh2k doesn't have caffeine. We don't do caffeine, so it's just that metabolite parazanthine. So that's a huge benefit in itself. Um, because you could take it before you go to bed see.
Speaker 2:See, that's where I when, after I had him on and we got you know, he sent me a box of the subs to try out. That's been my biggest problem. I don't sleep as it is, yeah, and then I take these pre-workouts, and you can't do that now and I'm fucking cracked out. I've never had any issue going to sleep after work, but Then again I'm not taking them late, late day. The latest I'll work out is like four or whatever.
Speaker 1:Some people they have it afternoon, they're done.
Speaker 2:I'm one of those people. If I take any other pre-workouts.
Speaker 1:You've noticed that half-life it's out.
Speaker 2:I don't. Yeah, it's done, I don't have any.
Speaker 1:That's the thing. It takes a little bit extra to get that metabolite. And and who patented that? Chris is actually friends with that guy. Oh really, yeah. And so parazanthine came out with just single pills now as well. Or Unmatch came out with parazanthine pills, so it's basically caffeine pills without all the shitty side effects of caffeine.
Speaker 2:You were telling. Yeah, you told me about that the other day and I came home and told Britt and so think she ordered some because she's did the whole caffeine kick right now.
Speaker 1:Dude it, it helps, man. It's like, like I said, you take it in the afternoon, not worrying about like, oh shit, I might not go to bed yeah it's awesome, you know, and so just sitting well in your stomach. Um, you know the iso way way that he does it's grass-fed free-range beef and he sources it out of the United Kingdom, just cleaner, yeah, okay. Yep, so that's amazing. Like my daughter, she's three and I can't make oats and mix it up without her stealing half of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's awesome and he's got a lot more coming down the pipeline. But I mean, they've really taken care of me. Uh, went to the olympia was our first event with them. It was awesome, like and it's, it's cool to see. For me it's it's came full circle because, going back to when I first started bodybuilding, this was like bodybuildingcom days.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah, remember those days.
Speaker 1:And Chris was one of their biggest athletes had all his programs and that was my first program. I started following it's called DTP, so Dramatic Transformation Principle, and that, yeah, it was my first. That was extremely humbling. That's wild. If you ever get a chance I think they're still on bodybuildingcom, but try that workout. That's like insane reps 30, 40, 50 reps.
Speaker 1:That's yeah, wild, but no, it worked in. Like I started buyingris's subs with the other company back then and this is before I even lived here and, like you know, chris lives here and just through mutual friends. Um, yeah, somehow it became acquainted with chris and on the team, and just wild, because when we go to these events you'll see people come up and show pictures of them and chris, like in india or in miami, like 10 years ago oh really like, yeah, which is he's a, he's an og in the game a long time.
Speaker 1:One of the best trainers ever, right. So, and like it's insane to see that and it's cool Like he has little fans. That's where the loyalty I love comes in. And yeah, it was funny at the Olympia one guy had DTP tattooed on him. Really Because at the Olympia we had tattoos. You get tattoos.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Unmatched tattoos? Yep, and we'd hook you up with some subs, but uh, yeah it was, the list was full and uh, you got to pick, like whatever flash you wanted or unmatched. Yeah, it was full, so many people wanted. Some of them was their second tattoo of course.
Speaker 2:What's it like working a booth at?
Speaker 1:a show. I've done both, uh, both kinds, if you will. So my last company was very high energy and was going like influencer, they're the newest thing, like this, and that cause they were, this was their American push. Cause it was a UK company, great company, but they're making a push and it was like more energy drink and just the basics, like uh, pre-workouts, energy drinks, protein and it's cool, great guys, but they're um, their kind of marketing was going more like young influencer, okay, and that's not me, like I'm tatted up, old guy, I'm a dad, like I'm not, yeah, I'm not nothing, nothing special and nothing young anymore.
Speaker 1:So they're going that way and I was like, ah, this it doesn't feel like my style and that's when um I went to the arnold with them, came back and then that's kind of when I heard in the summer was when chris was starting to do his thing. So that's when I was like this is a great time to like segue into that yeah and it's been. I mean, you've seen chris, he's, he's tatted like us, he's. What you see is what you get. That's way more my style. And he, you know, just likes to train hard as fuck, that's it.
Speaker 2:It's gotta be crazy for him trying to just go to a normal gym and not get swarmed, especially here he's yeah, oh it, when he goes to india.
Speaker 1:no, he's a celebrity, yeah, he can't like. No, he can't go anywhere. Crazy, he has to have security. Like they went to the Elliot said they went to the F1 races and he like couldn't go anywhere because there's so many Indians coming up to him. They love him, oh shit. Yeah, because he has all his gyms over there.
Speaker 2:Our cultures are so different from the rest of the world in how they look at celebrities Like you take like like a formula one racer, yeah, or a moto gp racer these guys racing, fucking motorcycles and on the island man. They would walk the streets and nobody even know who they are. And they go anywhere else in the world and do they are just, yeah, worshipped. Yeah, I mean we. We worship like celebrities in this country. When the rest of the world's love. They worship athletes, yeah all soccer to oh man you know, you name it and there's, it's everything.
Speaker 2:And it's weird because I followed this guy years ago when I was really big, in the race and bikes and he was an american boy that raced and from texas and he I remember watching interview he's like I could walk anywhere here in my own country and nobody knows who I am he's like I step any foot in a european country where we race he's like I am full security. He's it's just a different world which is it's, it's weird and if you could crack into those demographics like chris has, yeah you're set.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, I mean he's over there right now actually. Yeah and uh, I think he opened one or two of his gyms new gyms and he's promoting Unmatched over there Good yeah, and doing a bunch of seminars, but no, it's really taking off Like the booth's awesome. It's what I like. It's not a crazy loud booth.
Speaker 1:We like to actually come out from around the booth and talk to people yeah you know, and chris always taking pictures with people and stuff and just have a conversation and I like that and let like let's talk about the products, how they helped you, like questions. The last uh company I was with, I worked their booth and I had a fucking speaker in my ear banging the whole time and I'm like yelling at people trying to explain product. I'm like this sucks, yeah, and like so they brought me in. Of course I was the oldest, this was uh two years ago now and like the other um athletes, if you will, that they brought just like deuced out, like oh, I don't got to work the booth, thanks for flying me in but I'm just going to go check.
Speaker 1:That's what these young kids think. They're so entitled.
Speaker 1:Yeah because there's something on Instagram it's like you weren't shit in real life, but that's another convo. But yeah, they just deuced out and I was like you weren't shit in real life, but that's another convo. But yeah, they just deuced out and I was like, okay, I'll be the adult here and I was one of the only people at the booth just helping out. And then it gets to be like all day you're exhausted. So that I said if I was invited back, I'd never go again Because it was so exhausting, so exhausting at that booth. It was cool. I appreciate them flying me out and stuff, but it was way too much. I bet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you see the young kids, they're just like fuck this. You're just like wait, this isn't a brand. Then going to unmatch everyone's, everyone's like man, the team's cool, like we're flying around slanging products, talking to people, it's just a good vibe that helps a lot, especially if it's like a three, four or five day show and that's why.
Speaker 1:That's why I I said I go to olympia and see how it was and it was awesome. The booth wasn't overly crazy. It wasn't dull by any means. It was steady flow the whole day. And then it was even more packed at the Arnold. Oh, I bet yeah. So it was super cool and we got some of the unmatched affiliates, got to meet up and lift with them too.
Speaker 2:It was super cool. That's cool man, and it's just it's literally.
Speaker 1:That's also cool. It's literally people that have followed Chris through his companies.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And as soon as they knew he was this is his they were like, see you later. To the other one yeah, they're like. We're here for Chris because he stands behind the products. That's it.
Speaker 2:I feel like if somebody that looks at the supplement world, it all comes down to influencers and marketing and they could literally have just dog shit covered in sugar and caffeine.
Speaker 1:If they're the right people promoting it.
Speaker 2:There's lines out the door.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But the fact that there's a brand and I don't know how many others and I only speak of this is because that's all I know, you know from right having him on him, going through all of his subs and the process and everything it was, it was mind-blowing, it was. It's fascinating. Yeah, oh, it's crazy, but it's, it's.
Speaker 2:It's good to see that somebody's actually putting a quality product out in the fitness standing firm behind it yes, yeah, when the majority of these companies are there's, they're faceless or they just have a bunch of influencers. They put a bunch of money into marketing right and they're just slinging subs on amazon and they don't give a shit what's.
Speaker 1:They don't care yeah and like um and like no. That's wild. You say that because, oh, where was I going with this? What do you say? So I totally lost my train of thought.
Speaker 2:Anyways, Subs clean subs compared to shitty subs.
Speaker 1:I totally forgot. Is that your stomach? Yeah, yeah, oh, that was my stomach too, um it's actually it's been three hours. I gotta eat yeah, I know, um. I was gonna say in a story from chris oh yeah, sorry, um. So we. I tell him we're gonna lift, lift right. And he's like okay, I got a bunch of samples, we have to taste test the new pre-workouts. I was like cool. So we had a videographer there and we're going to film it and we're literally mixing up in. I thought like one or two.
Speaker 2:He has like 10.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, he's like mixing full ones up and he's like oh trying that, but where I'm going with this is like he wants the flavor perfect okay there was like four different kinds of grapes like all this so he's like what do you think in? Like it's, it's hard because the the dissident that's, that's nitrates in there. Like that's gonna taste a little different as a grape than a bh2k where not as many nitrates and you have that paroxanthin in there he's going that, it goes that deep oh, if he doesn't like it, like I've, I've seen it.
Speaker 1:He's like nope, nope, nope, he's like that. One's okay, needs a little bit of this, like he knows he's not, it's not gonna be. Eh, that's okay, let's do it. It has to be nuts on no shit. Yeah, but we we did. We took like 10 pre workouts, then lifted legs and it was a hard fucking leg day and I ended up throwing up all that shit, all of it he has video of it too.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that that was that's where I was going with that. I was like dude, never again, we're not. Let's not do that let's not do all let's keep it to like one or two, but no, we had like 10, like the whole bench was like, and then he'd be mixing here. Try that, try this, holy shit. So I'm just over overstimulated. Ready go to leg day? Yeah, but no, that was a good one. Yeah, anytime you lift with chris, like yeah you gotta get your mind right, oh yeah I feel like that with you.
Speaker 2:Well, dude, I'm, I appreciate you yeah um, I'm excited man to get you going? To get this going I want to get back. I want to get back on track time. It's been long enough. I've gotten through the injuries. I've slowing down. We're getting rid of wishes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I got time on my plate now, yep, so no, it's good.
Speaker 1:I think that was a perfect time.
Speaker 2:40. Cool when.
Speaker 1:I turned my goal.
Speaker 2:I turned what 41 in August, the end of August, beginning of August 30th. I would love to have a six-pack by then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's do that, that's the goal then that's the goal, then, and we're keeping you accountable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're putting this on the fucking internet.
Speaker 1:This is on the line. Yeah, it's on the line.
Speaker 2:Okay, so August 30th. Yeah, my goal is to have a six-pack, okay.
Speaker 1:Fair enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's fucking good, dude, let's do it okay and it's on.
Speaker 1:That's it, august august 30th, 30th, I turned 41, I want to. I want a six pack yep, back to fight and wait.
Speaker 2:I would like to be 235 240 okay, and you're what? 260 655, 260. I fluctuate, yep, so I would like to be the 235 240, lean, lean to 235 230. I would sell it for 230, but I don't want to get below 230, I think let's do it um yeah, and we'll document we'll show everybody fuck dude. Okay, let's do that. What's going on the internet? We have to do it now let's do it.
Speaker 1:Let's do it, hell yeah you don't even know.
Speaker 2:You don't even know the fucking beast that's about to come out. All right, we're doing it. Well, dude. Thank you man, I appreciate you and, uh, I I appreciate all the help and the gym and no doubt letting my old ass tag along and move some weight with you but yeah it's uh, this is gonna be cool. I'm excited for it. Thanks, come on, share, and I hopefully some, unless there's more you want to share.
Speaker 1:But no, I'm good. I feel that you can have me on some other time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, fuck it. I'm right down the road. Literally four minutes, so right, that helps.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks, dude, I appreciate the time and the insight and uh, yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna do this sweet. Yeah, I'm excited, man. All right, I'm gonna start with a fast, though then we're gonna roll right into it. Blood work, blood work, fast, we're doing it. Okay, I wonder how many days we have. We gotta figure that out yeah, get the countdown 20. Yeah, we gotta be five months. Oh fuck, I feel let's do it 90 days.
Speaker 1:We can do it however fast you want.
Speaker 2:All right, we're doing it, let's do it Cool.
Speaker 1:Thanks, man. Yeah, was that a good one. That was an easy one, that was great, that was easy, that was good yeah.