#75 - Building Wealth is Like Going to War: You Can't Quit When It Gets Hard w/Austin Hancock

In this raw and riveting conversation, Marine Corps veteran Austin Hancock takes us on an extraordinary journey from rock bottom to remarkable success. Proving it can be done. Starting with a shocking confession about assaulting someone with a tire iron as a troubled teen, Austin reveals how this pivotal moment led to his military service and ultimately transformed his life.

Austin doesn't hold back as he recounts the psychological warfare of boot camp at Paris Island, serving in Iraq's dangerous Al-Anbar province, and the profound disconnect he felt upon returning to civilian life. With refreshing honesty, he details his evolution from construction worker to home builder to sophisticated real estate investor, including the crushing financial pressures that nearly broke him when the market shifted in 2018.

What makes this episode truly special is Austin's ability to extract powerful lessons from every phase of his journey. Lessons he wants to share with each listener. He dissects the mindset required for entrepreneurial success, explaining why most people quit right before breakthrough and how the real struggle isn't making money...it's pushing through when everything falls apart. His insights on fatherhood are equally compelling, particularly his approach to raising confident daughters and creating a legacy of action rather than empty words.

Whether you're a veteran searching for your next mission, an entrepreneur facing setbacks, or simply someone seeking authentic perspective on building a meaningful life, Austin's story offers both inspiration and practical wisdom. His message is clear: true wealth isn't just financial, it's a complete life where physical fitness, family relationships, and personal confidence complement financial success.

Don't miss Austin's powerful advice on investing in yourself, the critical difference between talking about change and actually making it happen, and why your children will eventually discover who you really are, regardless of what you tell them.

To follow Austin and check out The APEX Training Club, give him a follow and visit at: https://www.instagram.com/austin.hancock1/?hl=en

Chapters

• 0:00 The Tire Iron Incident
• 10:32 From Troubled Teen to Marine
• 32:42 Boot Camp and Deployment Stories
• 59:03 Iraq Experiences and Challenges
• 1:24:27 Transitioning to Civilian Life
• 1:37:20 Building a Construction Business
• 1:53:44 Real Estate Investment Breakthrough
• 2:24:42 Entrepreneurship Realities and Mindset
• 2:40:38 Fatherhood and Family Dynamics
• 2:58:13 Building Better Men and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

We beeline to the house, he goes to the front door right when we walk up, boom, and he's like, is this the fucking guy that did it? And I'm looking and I'm like yup, and I smoke him over the head with a tire. Iron, blast this dude. It just goes worst, whoosh. And then he kind of like stumbles and grabs me Like he just got smoked in the head. And that's when, like immediately, like reality set in fuck.

Speaker 2: 0:20

I hope I didn't kill this guy. I want to know how bad this is. Ready dude.

Speaker 1: 0:42

Yeah, rock and roll, hell yeah, always ready, I've been looking forward to this one. Yeah, it's fun, man. Whatever questions you got, we'll send it. We've talked a lot already. We have.

Speaker 2: 0:48

Man, I appreciate you coming to town and doing this. You're on my hit list because I love veteran entrepreneurs. I love guys that figure out how to change their mindset and stop being a disabled vet or just a veteran. Be proud how to change their mindset and stop being a disabled vet or just the veteran. Yeah, be proud, rocket, support it. But what's after? What's next? And I feel you're crushing that You've had your mountain peak highs and I'm sure your Valley lows, it's so learning.

Speaker 2: 1:17

So this is where I love, love, love. Sitting down with vets. Man, it's one of my favorite things to do. Successful guys that are even just it. And it's one of my favorite things to do with successful guys that are even just it.

Speaker 1: 1:24

Doesn't even mean business, I'm talking family, whatever it may be, Success is defined in multiple realms right.

Speaker 2: 1:27

Exactly so. I don't put a number on it. It's more of freedom, personal life, growth, all that good stuff. So thanks everybody for tuning in Again. We're going to jump into this. I got the one and only Austin here visiting from.

Speaker 1: 1:41

San.

Speaker 2: 1:41

Diego, baby San Diego.

Speaker 1: 1:42

Originally from Oklahoma but live in San Diego now and not San Diego home.

Speaker 2: 1:45

We're going to jump into that First. The Sour Bee the girls are going to send you home with a fresh loaf. Thanks, freddie Smell.

Speaker 1: 1:51

The house, of course yes, it smelled, amazing, looks amazing.

Speaker 2: 1:53

Smells incredible in here, so we try to give every guest a fresh loaf, and it doesn. You should be buying more.

Speaker 1: 2:00

Yes, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2: 2:02

So, dude, we're just going to shoot the shit man, like we've been doing since you've gotten here. This is how we do it, and I want to dive in to get to know you. I've enjoyed the time we've had so far. You're a fucking rad dude, I feel we're pretty aligned on everything.

Speaker 1: 2:14

Yeah, yeah. We agree on a lot of things which is common, but it's true.

Speaker 2: 2:22

Jump into it. Where are you from?

Speaker 1: 2:24

So I was born in Kansas. I grew up in Oklahoma. Oklahoma boy my folks moved when I was eight.

Speaker 2: 2:30

Yeah, and that's where it was. I grew up in Oklahoma. Man, what is Oklahoma? I hear so many different things about Oklahoma. You have the people that love Oklahoma, and then you have the people that just hate it, it's the worst place, scummiest shithole you've ever been to and you know.

Speaker 1: 2:45

So how I grew up, I can't complain at all. I grew up like I like to tell people like a traditional American life, like riding my bike with my boys ramping over each other, freaking baseball in the summer. You know baseball, freaking sports. I grew up pretty traditional. You know the Sandlot vibes is pretty much. I grew up in the suburbs so I wasn't in the hood and I wasn't in like the big neighborhoods. I just grew up in the suburbs. It was fun, had friends. You know how it was man, you had sprinkler outside in the summer. You know you drink. You ran cross country for high school. You stop at a house, got water from the spigot and well, just traditional america in my mind, out of a hose yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:17

Nobody knew that all the shit wasn't coming in from a hose after it baked in the sun, who knows?

Speaker 2: 3:22

we're still fine though. Yeah right, we've made it and that those. I feel so bad now because, like man, look at, look what we had growing up. Our parents would drive around and look for all the bikes in the front yard.

Speaker 1: 3:33

100 dude, I was gone all day long, all day long like I didn't want to be inside. Like even when video games came out, like big time, I had a few buddies, we'd go play a little bit and then we were like, oh, I did not want to be inside. I don't remember eating at all in the summer, I don't think I. I don't remember lunch at all. No, I would get home and dinner would be cold because I had waited. You know, yep, yeah, my dad whistled.

Speaker 1: 3:52

My dad got like real whistled, real loud so I could hear I gotta go home, or when the street lights go off, you know best time.

Speaker 2: 3:58

That's how I grew up, so yes, man, I wouldn't trade that for anything. I feel bad now because we want to give that to our kids. Same. You don't see kids playing anymore, even in the military. I saw a huge change, like getting out, because when we were in we were just wild Like Libo on the weekend gone. Now it's like right before I got out, these kids are all sitting there playing Xbox.

Speaker 1: 4:16

No way, oh dude, I couldn't get off base fast enough. No, could get off base fast especially in the scribe oh yeah, did not put your fire watch on the weekend, thousand percent, or even like when I was in school of infantry. I mean, you know what? What is that thing called the pacific, the vehicle that took you. Well, you were east coast, did you, and you didn't go through soi, you went through mct right no, yeah, I went to mct but everything was.

Speaker 2: 4:35

I was on pendleton.

Speaker 1: 4:36

After that I went to paris island and straight to yeah, they had the vans that would take you into town and you could pay them like. So if you go all the way from pendleton to pb it was like 50 bucks.

Speaker 2: 4:44

But if you went to oceanside.

Speaker 1: 4:45

It was only like 20 bucks. I've got 50 bucks every time I'm getting the fucking farthest away from here, bro.

Speaker 2: 4:50

Yeah, dude, we're getting out of here anaheim dude. Yes, that was so much fun, but yeah, it's just, it all changed. So so what was high school?

Speaker 1: 4:58

and everything like, dude, I like I said I grew up I was a good kid. You know I have a younger sister, my. My parents are very conservative. A conservative household grew up going to church on sundays, man, um, and you know my parents are still married, so they're a great example. Both my grandparents are still. We're still married up until my grandfather's passed so very. You know conservative christian family values, um I I challenged that as I got older.

Speaker 1: 5:20

You know, I was like sure mom and dad, you think you know you're done. You never partied, you never did this stuff.

Speaker 1: 5:24

So once I got a little testosterone about 17s, like when I went a little more off the rails and kind of caused a complete, you know, paradigm shift for my folks freaked them out because they're used to. So, like I said, I was just doing regular stuff, going through school, being a good kid, and then, 17 years old, I started. I was, I quit everything, I quit all my sports. I was wrestling, doing cross country, doing track, and it wasn't because I didn't want to do those anymore, I wanted to get jacked, bro.

Speaker 1: 5:48

I was like small, you know, I was like a little athletic kid, running and stuff, and I was like, do I want to gain weight? I want to get go to the gym? And uh, so I started doing that, started eating, started lifting and drinking, got introduced to drinking, started hanging out with buddies that were, you know, were drinking and just really switched the crowd and that quickly led to you know, parties, arrests, fights, all sorts of stuff like that. So I to fast forward, like the end of high school, I graduated, I had two felonies and two misdemeanors no shit saw with a deadly weapon, burglary one. And then two of those misdemeanors were like for, uh, uh, what is it like when you tear up property and shit?

Speaker 2: 6:21

oh, like vandalism in a way, yeah, what the hell did you get charged with a weapon for? So essentially what had happened I went to a party over this. What we're not gonna blow over that no, no, I'll dive into it.

Speaker 1: 6:29

I've dived into it before, so it's it's. It's fucking crazy, honestly, and just how fast things can change. For you guys watching this, like you know, I'm sure that there's situations that you've seen where there's just that one thing that could just totally shift your life and scares you, you know, and kind of gives you a shake aha moment. Yeah, you know, I was going down this route so I had gotten in a previous fight and, uh, jumped at the park getting back at these guys going back and forth right in front of my parents house. My parents were like, oh my god, you're crazy.

Speaker 1: 6:55

I went and got a tattoo and in oklahoma for those that don't know my first tattoo at 17. It's illegal in the state of oklahoma. Up until 2006 you couldn't have tattoo shops. So you'd either go to Galveston, texas the boys would load up, go get some barbed wire or some shit you know or you could go to like somebody's house and like, get it like an underground tat. Of course I got an underground tat, you know Oklahoma it's so Oklahoma like, yeah, yeah, some prison tats, yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:19

So I did.

Speaker 1: 7:20

I got like a fucking nautical star on my back. You, you know I'm glad I didn't get like hep B.

Speaker 2: 7:24

Seriously, looking back, dude yeah, for real, now that you've spent some time in a chair.

Speaker 1: 7:31

You're probably like, oh my God, yeah, how easy could it have been to get some shit For real. And so I'm doing all this. I'm trying to put shit in perspective of like, how quickly I'm going from you know, the good school kid to off the rails challenge in the world. And so, anyways, I go to a party. It's just a regular party, a freaking. It was a mix of college people and high school people.

Speaker 1: 7:48

I'm a senior in high school, go to the house and we're all outside up front, but then their cops would cruise through the neighborhood a couple of times. So we all went inside and I don't know everybody there. I'm with my boys and a few people we know, and then you school people too. And uh, to make a long story short, essentially you know we're all drinking and hanging out in there and I'm talking to everybody. We're just it's a house party, bro, just having fun, like nothing's crazy going on. There's not like crazy drugs or anything. We're all just drinking from a keg and have. Everybody has cases of beer, whatnot?

Speaker 1: 8:17

Yeah, classic, right, yeah, um, and some dude comes up to me and he's like hey, dude, uh, did you talk to my, did you talk to my sister and I'm like you know how parties are everybody's drunk and stupid. I'm like fuck no, bro. And I mean I'm I was fighting a lot. So I was like, whatever, fuck off, you know, I don't even know your sister is. And he's like, well, did you talk to this girl in this shirt, whatever? And I was like I don't know like kind of looked at him you know, I don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2: 8:44

Who knows, fucking. I'm not an idiot waiting for you, waiting for me out there, yeah sure shit, he goes outside.

Speaker 1: 8:49

And he asked me again and I'm like I don't know what you're talking about. Mid-sentence, the dude just crow, hops me and punches me in the eye doesn't knock me out, just hits me you know.

Speaker 1: 8:57

And then we go to you know the first things, like wrestling, grab him, go to the ground and my buddy, that's with me, his friend, was outside, so they start scrapping and then we bounce, we jump the little three-foot chain link fence. We're bouncing and, uh, we're like dude, what the fuck like? We basically got jumped, we got attacked. You know what the hell? Well, our genius idea was to go and, uh, go to the truck that one of our other friends that drove there, okay, we had the keys to it and we popped the. We lift the back seat up a good old chevy, you know, crew cab lift the back seat up and pull all the tire iron equipment out. Okay, so you see where it's gone. Yeah, I'm like dude, like we're pissed, like nobody fucks with us, like we're gonna bring some heat. You know, come back, we go.

Speaker 1: 9:36

We go to the front door because we were in the back, right, we went around the house and then jumped the fence. We go back to the front door to get ready to go in. They kind of see us coming, like some other people at the party, what the hell. And then one of the other drunk dudes, you know, the guy's like dude, don't fight, don't be a dude. You have to save a hoe. Yo, yeah, exactly dude. And I just smoke him right in the forearm as hard as I can with this tire iron. He's like whack. He's like, oh my, out of the front of this house and smashing the mirrors off the side of the cars.

Speaker 1: 10:09

I'm like get it the fuck outside, let's go, bro. You know, bringing it on like you're gonna hit me, I'm gonna take it. You don't know how crazy we're gonna go. And so we take it to the next level. Dudes end up locking the house. We're like fuck it, let's go, get some fucking reinforcements it gets. We like let's turn it up more. It's just dumb, bro, turn it up more. We go to theHOP where our upper classmen that had just graduated the year before are all fucking hanging out drunk and we pick them up and they're like dude, let's go. They're all riled up. Bro, built a full coup out of this thing.

Speaker 2: 10:31

You know what I'm saying Within like 30 minutes.

Speaker 1: 10:33

Within like 30 minutes we literally went from like a regular college party to Lord of the Flies. And so we go and we go back to the house. What we didn't know is that they had called the cops. We blew out all the windows and caused all this man, hopefully so rightfully so right, it's come rolling right back we come rolling but the cops had already left.

Speaker 1: 10:52

So it's like perfect timing. So they took the reports. They'd done their things. 40 minutes go by, or whatever, and when we were, when we were, uh, going back, the cops weren't there anymore, but they'd already had a report report. So where are the cops? The cops are like right around the corner, bro, like just on this call yeah, and so we go, and then we beeline to the house we parked down the street. They see us coming, they shut the door. I'm assuming now looking back, it's a long time ago, bro, but I'm assuming that the cops probably literally left like 15 minutes prior, okay, and because the door's still cracked, they're kind of like looking at the damage outside and they see us coming. They're like, oh fuck, there's got those guys and more. They're coming back. They go close the door. One of the guys, one of the upper class that I'm talking about, he was just this indian dude, savage, freaking, always drinking, partying, flip-flops, like you have on right now.

Speaker 2: 11:37

I didn't give a shit.

Speaker 1: 11:39

He's like he goes to the front door right when we walk up, boom Kicks that front door all the way open. We didn't even knock. He just goes, boom, kicks that thing in, looks over at me and he's like is this the fucking guy that did it? Like standing in the doorway and I'm looking and I'm like yup, and I smoke him over the head with a tire. Iron Blast this dude, the one that punched me.

Speaker 2: 11:59

I'm 21,.

Speaker 1: 12:00

I'm 17,. So big difference at the time. Oh, for sure. But, I finally got my revenge. Yeah, I cranked him, and if anybody's ever seen a head bleed or any kind of wound like that, it just goes whoosh. And that's when, like immediately, like reality set in. I was like, oh fuck, like I hope I didn't kill this guy, I want to know how bad, this is's not, but he's like what Stunned Kind of grabs me.

Speaker 1: 12:27

I already have my shirt off and shit. You know what I mean. I just ripped off my shirt before Grab him, wrestle him around, fall on the couch in the house. The other dudes are all just standing by. I think he's going to start some more shit and get off the couch and the door's like right where we just came in. You know, it's a smaller house, freaking, you know college town or a college area and, uh, I turn around and the fucking cops get the fuck on the ground bro.

Speaker 2: 12:50

Yeah, somebody just started dying already.

Speaker 1: 12:52

Yeah, so we're all laying in the lawn, got handcuffs on our backs rolled up. I get. I went to, uh, edmund pd, which is just the, the suburbs that I was in. I went there then they shipped me to county, so I was in county over overnight and my dad picks me up like the next day how'd that go?

Speaker 2: 13:07

over horrible bro, my dad's, like you are going to be a massive piece of shit.

Speaker 1: 13:11

Yeah, my. So the only other black sheep in the family really was like my dad's brother was kind of wild, but never had like prison background or anything like wild, but never got busted like small town wild. And then my mom's brother spent time in prison like so he was like the biker, like drugs you know and whatnot just stupid shit all the time. Yeah, so my mom thought like, oh, my god, you're gonna be like your uncle. This is horrible.

Speaker 1: 13:35

You know, getting tatted and getting thrown in jail like this is fucking crazy oh, so here's my parents are like they don't know what to do, um, and so you know, I'm very lucky, like I was dating a girl at the time and her dad was a good old boy was a good old boy like kind of like respectful, like drink but a lot you know work, construction, um.

Speaker 1: 13:53

But I respected him like you didn't fuck with him either. Right, like a country guy ran equipment and um, anyways, my folks were off the rails with it like they were like you need to go to christian school, you're. You're doing this, they're like trying to bring it down on me like more, which was way causing way more things for me. Yeah, I'm basically more like fuck you and but at the same time I'm kind of like well, every decision I've been making lately is not the best either, so maybe I should listen to somebody.

Speaker 1: 14:18

I had some savings, like I had saved up some money because I had sold my truck. I mean, I was in votec working on this piece of shit chevy. I had like a 69 chevy, step side like multi-colored sanding on it, like I was a full blown yeah man, what do you?

Speaker 1: 14:29

I mean just a redneck kid, you know. At this point, my parents like she's a little off the rails, yep, um, and so, anyways, I had what I say about the money is because I had my parents were like you're fucking paying for the attorney, like they'll help you if you need it, but like you're going to have to do this, like they're trying to teach me some lessons. Yeah, and so I did. I put the deposit down a hundred percent. Right, they bailed me out. So they did do that, and and so, anyways, I I'm like whatever, what I was getting to is my ex, the girlfriend at the time's father.

Speaker 1: 14:58

My parents were like dude, you're a fuck up. Like they don't know what to do, like it's the end of the world. We're talking people that, like I never had alcohol in my house, like we're talking people that, like you know, very bad words were heard every once in a while and by all means, my dad had an anger and shit, but it was like very small town, classic cliche, right, I feel you, yeah, yeah, not a lot of experiences from this side of the world, from them. Very smart, my dad's fucking super smart. I love my parents. It's all come full circle. You know big time, but 17 stupid.

Speaker 1: 15:24

And so, um, he basically told me he's like, dude, you're not a fucking bad kid. And everybody else made me feel like a bad kid. My parents want me to go to church more, my parents want me to do this more and I'm like no, like no, I don't fucking like these people at church. I know these people are always judging me anyway, you know, because of what I'm doing. You know, and rightfully so in some aspects looking back looking back as a father and a person I'm judging.

Speaker 2: 15:48

I get why, right at the time, I'm like you know how it is.

Speaker 1: 15:50

You're like don't fucking judge me total anarchy to the world total anarchy. That was me and uh, so anyways, he's like you're not a bad kid, you're just a fucking dumbass. And I was like that was fair, like that was a logical answer from a man that I respected makes sense.

Speaker 2: 16:02

I was, I was like dude, he's fucking right.

Speaker 1: 16:05

So to speed it up, essentially, I went back to work throughout these trials. I'm going to a court every once in a while for this bullshit. How long did it drag out? For Hell? Like forever, dude. I'll tell you one of the worst things about it, though. This is what really fucked me up. It's like after I smoked the dude in the head with a iron and I get arrested, I never knew anything else. I was done. I went to jail and then my life went on right. I don't know what happened to that guy. I don't know what happened. Anything. Nobody really tells you about what happened, especially when you're blasted drunk doing stupid shit. So, yeah, I went back to school. We were about to graduate, so I was like towards the end of our senior um time in high school and the rumor mills that went around, like I carved a name for myself because of this, oh yeah it's not like real small, but it's like a big enough small town.

Speaker 1: 16:47

You know what I'm saying. Yeah, in high school, dude, you just got arrested over the weekend. Everybody's told everybody that you just went to jail because you hit somebody in the house. Yeah, you murdered somebody. That's that. That's what went around back to me. I remember sitting in class being like like how, who do I call to figure out if I did kill this guy? Like the cops could come anytime. Oh so nobody told you if you legit murdered a guy I don't know anything, bro.

Speaker 1: 17:06

I went to fucking jail after I hit the guy. I'm like, maybe he has a coma, you don't know anything. Nobody like, hey, let's give austin a report of his stupid activities. Yeah, so like when the rumors came around high school, I'm legit like, uh, I would think I would have gone to jail by now. I think this would have happened. But this is fucking crazy. So I'm getting a little fearful. Yeah, I did, yeah, no, that wasn't my attitude.

Speaker 2: 17:26

Honestly, I'm like oh, your life's over, bro.

Speaker 1: 17:29

Like I'm 17, and then I'm this, is it for sure? I mean, that sucks for sure. But that's how easy it could have changed, you know I know, so many people that like would get into car accidents and kill their buddy on accident a dy, and they're getting fucking vehicular homicide for that shit.

Speaker 1: 17:43

You know what I mean. Boom, just a party done that quick. Same concept, it's that quick, yeah, and so, anyways, uh, I didn't end up killing the guy. Obviously he I don't even know what happened to him, but, um, I, I was working construction the rest of that summer summer kicks off working for my dad, you know, uh, tying rebar, pouring concrete, whatever it takes.

Speaker 1: 18:03

I would just do everything that he needed to do. My dad, kind of like, would put us on him and one of his right-hand guys He'd put us on like all the punch list stuff. You know, all the things that he'd done. He's keeping you busy, keeping me busy, for sure, and I am very busy and it's working fine. It's good for me at this time. Oh yeah, they want me to go to Oklahoma, christian. They want me to go to a Christian school. They're wanting to like chat, like ratchet down more and at the time I was like I guess I'll listen, I'll give you guys credit. So I went to school at Oklahoma, christian for like a semester while I was working still, I fucking hated it, bro.

Speaker 2: 18:35

It was the worst, I bet.

Speaker 1: 18:36

I mean it was just. There's so many fucking liars and fakes. No-transcript. Sunday you all act all great and I'm the bad guy. I'm like I thought we were friends, like I can't be seen with you all standing, but I'm like you're fucking doing a keg stand with me. Tuesday I was holding your legs up yeah, hold your legs up at becca's house. The kind of stuff I got. I'm like dude, these guys are all fucking liars. All these kids are liars, lying from their parents. They're doing more drugs than my friends that fucking are that I'm hanging out with and so in that wild hated that shit.

Speaker 2: 19:15

Man, that was bad, just you've you've you so fake bro it's like you're judging me for being real. Yes, and this is. This is just who I am. I'm not going to put a front on. Yeah, but meanwhile your whole entire life persona act, everything is fake, yeah, but you're judging me because I'm real about it. I mean, that's not even.

Speaker 1: 19:33

Yeah, they have a lot to do with the church Disassociate because they have this thing.

Speaker 2: 19:35

Yeah, that's just people in general of shit.

Speaker 1: 19:40

you're judging me huge piece of shit every time, yeah, every time.

Speaker 2: 19:45

That's why the dudes, the realest motherfuckers, don't ever judge anybody like no, you don't have to, you shouldn't have, you don't have to nah, no, why exactly, bro. That's how I always know, when I get along with somebody, like fuck that I don't give a shit. It's like, yeah, you know, because if you're just real and just who you are and authentic, it doesn't matter you, you start to realize not everybody's gonna like being, I'm not everybody's cup of tea, but they're gonna know what they're getting.

Speaker 1: 20:07

A hundred percent that's it'll be the worst feeling in the world to be fake to yourself like you'll be lying to yourself. Bro, can you imagine?

Speaker 2: 20:12

that I think most the majority of people on social media do it because, like you, meet them on characters and they're just a character yeah, I I don't know how many times I've met people like yo.

Speaker 2: 20:21

You're rolling through, hit me up, and then the guy hundreds of thousands of followers, everybody works and you meet him. You're like dude's fucking weird. Weird, yes, like anything, it's all an act. And then so then how my mind works, I'm like, okay, you're a grown-ass adult, you're putting on an act for social media to gain attention, to monetize off, not throwing shade on the hustle. But like that's fucking weird to me. Why can't you just build that and be yourself? So you're telling me you have to be fake to the world in order to be liked. Yep, and that's where my wife's like baby can't say that shit. Like I don't give a no that's exactly what they do.

Speaker 1: 20:55

But if you think back to like, even into high school, for the most part like people are the same way. That way, I mean people were talking about right now like so I think it's people, some people's nature, man, it's wild fake drives yeah, and then I'm like no time, nope, no, no, no, you can imagine not being?

Speaker 1: 21:08

like who you are right now. It's not. No, there's nothing. There doesn't mean you shouldn't fix things you don't like about yourself for sure, or you know bad attributes or things that you're doing or decisions you're making for sure, but there's no reason I can't imagine living in a prison being fake yeah who you are to the core like yeah dude I think that's why people are intimidated by people like you and I is because we are genuinely confident in ourselves when it is what it is.

Speaker 1: 21:30

And so you, when you walk in a room which you've done many times with people that have a lot of money or people that are doing these things and all this stuff, it's like cool man, hey, nice to meet you. Cool, that guy was worth a billion dollars, that's awesome. Instead of being like, oh my gosh, I got to meet this guy and now you're like, oh no, I don't give a fuck, that's really cool, I appreciate it like I'd love to be his friend if he's cool.

Speaker 2: 21:45

Yeah, hey, let's. Let's get what you got. Don't give a shit what you got if we can kick it and have a scar and fuck, yeah, shoot the shit for five hours, yeah it's cooler if you're doing cool shit like oh dude, you're doing all that. That's so sick, yeah, yeah people, yeah, but people get so fixated on the in an image instead of being who they truly are. I think that just rabbit holes them. Yeah, so, after your fight, after all this bullshit, where where's life taking you?

Speaker 1: 22:09

so I'm basically gonna get a serve like what was coming up. I went to a few court cases and shit and they're like all right, austin's gonna, they're gonna make a an example out of them. I was kind of leading this whole coup and they're like and I was 17, though yeah, I was 17, so I got tried as a youthful offender.

Speaker 1: 22:23

This has saved me a lot because I wasn't 18 yet. I literally that was a big deal. I didn't go to gp when I went to county, I went to the youth side, okay, and so just legally they have to, yeah, and so I turned 18 throughout this time period. But I'm still getting tried on the court case that I had, which was that took time at this place, and so they're like yeah, you're going to spend six months in juvie, you're just going to do six months in juvie, you're just gonna do six months in juvie is basically.

Speaker 1: 22:43

They're all they're gonna give me and I was like I didn't even know how serious that was. That wasn't confirmed yet, but already during that period I was working with that guy. Like I was telling you I was doing construction. He's like, dude, you should join the military, you should join the marine corps. Specifically is what he said to me. He's like my dad was a marine, brother was a marine, dude couldn't join the marines the best thing for you.

Speaker 1: 23:03

And I never really dove into the marine corps because I'd always watched the books. I always wanted to be an army ranger. I always want to jump out of airplanes. I always had this, you know, this oda type mindset since rambo and whatnot. You know that's just lame, yeah, I know right, like no, I didn't know, I didn't even really think about the marines. He's like no, look at it, look into it. And I start looking it up. He's like the best uniforms are the most badass, what he's selling me on it, right. And I'm like, oh shit, okay, I didn't even go anywhere else, I didn't wear anywhere else. I went to the marine recruiter and, uh, fortunately, dude, this recruiter is badass and also this isn't. I graduated in 2005, so 2006 ish is what I'm starting to look at list enlisting okay and so there's a massive push for y'all that don't know.

Speaker 1: 23:41

Maybe there's some youngsters watching, but like everybody's doing the surge in Iraq, they're wavering people for smoking weed to get in the Marine Corps, like everybody's getting it.

Speaker 2: 23:49

There was felon waivers drug.

Speaker 1: 23:51

I'm one of them.

Speaker 2: 23:52

Yes, literally on the range. I have never forget this. We had a reserve unit next to us on the rifle range and we were just belligerent, out of control and they're like what do you guys even do? In this one it got brought up like yeah, half these dudes are waivers. And they're like what do you mean? Half you guys are waivers. I was like yo, who's a drug waiver, a felon waiver? And like, say, there's 20 dudes, like 15 raise their hand and the whole reserve unit is like looking like, who are you guys? I'm like, yeah, people bro, people marines yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:21

So I mean, so I did, I, uh, I, my recruiter, went with my attorney and they came up with a deal, basically.

Speaker 1: 24:28

And I got everything expunged. So I never got convicted of these charges. They got expunged. If I joined the Marine Corps, I joined the Marine Corps 2006. I went to bootcamp 2006. And essentially it was good. Oh, dude, if I I think it was December, okay, like december, okay, like right, like I enlisted then and I think I went after christmas because I was like spending christmas at home, okay, and so, um, I went right, right in there, so it was january. It would have been into 05 to 06, if that makes sense, yep, um. And then I go through boot camp, did my whole boot camp thing and and whatnot, and I enlisted. I was 0352.

Speaker 1: 24:58

I knew what I was going to be in advance because I went reserve. You know, my mom did say this and I was taking their advice a little bit after the fucking reputation of using my own advice for sure. I'm like, once you go reserve, you can always go active duty if you choose and you really love it, and at least you can come back and go to college. My parents were big college people, like most parents were. At that time, college was still a belief that, like that's what it took to be successful. My dad's an engineer, him being an engineer in the 1980s literally changed their financial life, and so they're like you have to do the same.

Speaker 1: 25:24

This is gonna be the way or you're gonna, because I mean, their thought process back in the times was you go, and because I come from construction, his dad did construction too, so it's like you're gonna dig ditches, like your whole family and do construction and run equipment, or you're gonna get a degree and your father's a shining example of what can happen. You know that's the boomer logic.

Speaker 1: 25:42

You know it is now well, and their logic was correct based on their timelines but, I was kind of pre-warning him like, nah, I ain't the fucking thing, yeah, yeah. And so I was like, okay, cool, so I go reserve. And uh, so I go to boot camp and knew what I was going to be and what was boot? Camp like wild.

Speaker 2: 25:57

No six, bro, wild okay yeah, so I went in january 04, so you're 06, you're6. You got 2 years behind, yeah, but it's all the same shit probably you're getting guys that are coming back from Fallujah.

Speaker 1: 26:09

You're getting guys coming back from Ramadi. All these guys are DIs now. I never thought of that. Yes, bro. So the guys that were deployed when you went in 04 came back, rotated and got freaking duty jobs and my drill instructors were fucking nuts. One of them was like the 6'5 black guy. Never thought of this. Yeah, he's watched some of my YouTube, so shout out. He's like 6'5 black dude with a fucking 249 machine gun on his forearm Driving a. What was he driving? A? What is that? A freaking Trans Am with like open pipes backed under the freaking barracks, so he'd fire it up when he left in midnight.

Speaker 2: 26:37

Yup.

Speaker 1: 26:45

And I was just like dude, just motherfucker dude. And then my other drill instructor was like a five foot five tall asian dude, uh hashimoto, with a purple heart, and he was an infantry dude that went into the.

Speaker 2: 26:50

That was in fallujah damn dude, he was nuts, he was the kill hat he just was slaying people, bro god yes, so you're dealing with all these dudes that are just stacked straight from war.

Speaker 1: 27:01

Yes, even senior drill instructor for sure, yeah, staff sergeant for sure. That's wild. So we're getting slayed, bro, like there's a dude on black friday and those that weren't in the military or the marine corps. Black friday is like when you pick up from um, your uh, uh, what is that receiving unit? And you, it's only a week you get received and then you go through your paperwork and bullshit. Then you get your drill instructors on black friday and so on black friday we start getting slayed. They tear up the whole house, meaning the barracks, and they're like taking apart beds. You're doing your whole nine yards. You got your foot lockers, you dump them out, you put them up. People are wearing the wrong boots, people are wearing wrong blouses, everybody's.

Speaker 2: 27:33

It's all fuckery like why am I putting my name on everything?

Speaker 1: 27:35

because it doesn't matter, because I'm wearing fucking bands, somebody else's hammies on, yes, backwards and shit. Everything's fucked up like. The objective is to just cause mass chaos. Two different size flip-flops, the whole boot, yeah yeah, yeah no shit, I got this tiny little one that I got a fucking size. You got my fucking shoe on and then you got like some other guy's shoe on. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1: 27:55

Yeah, you can't say shit like hell, no they're just gonna look at you online and laugh they're running around like an idiot, you know, and so we're getting fit, we're getting hazed on the first day and I remember carrying my footlocker in my footlocker out, my footlocker in my footlocker out, and we're on the first floor of the h in first phase, and some dude fucking tries to kill himself and jumps out the fucking window on the third floor, 10 feet in front of me, bro and I remember my journal instructor looking over.

Speaker 1: 28:20

He's like all wide-eyed and he's all good I hope he dies and I'm like, oh my god, what the fuck bro he's like looking at him. He's like, guys like you know, it's only fucking three stories. He didn't die, but he went through the glass, smoked himself to try to get out medsep yeah, bro, he's like everybody the fucking side. We go inside, we have to face the wall the other way yeah foreman over there standing. That's my first day picking up and I'm like oh my god, bro, I'm dead. Prison would have been a good idea. Where's judy?

Speaker 2: 28:50

sounding where's judy? They got like nobody's yelling at you. You know jumping out windows. People are trying to kill themselves here. The first day, dude, we had a dude disappear the first, the first night bounce yeah we're on paris, true? Remember when they used to make you count off?

Speaker 1: 29:05

Yes, oh yeah, personal money value bag Pop, and then one, two, yeah.

Speaker 2: 29:08

Which took hours to learn how like 70 kids could count and not fuck it up. Oh, he's gonna fuck it up Marines too. You're dumb as shit. Most impossible task. Yeah, you're like five, six, seven, twenty two. You're like how the fuck, god damn it, how do you go this far off?

Speaker 2: 29:25

it's okay, pan, I can say it across anyways, we're so nervous bro we're doing this for hours, counting off, count off, the drillers just eating us alive and we finally get to the end and we're short and the drillers like do it again. And we're count dude, like another 20 minutes goes by. We're standing there for hour plus counting, counting, counting, counting, counting, counting, finally, because we get to the end again. Fucking idiots do it again. We're just over and over and over again. Finally, after like an hour, the recruit on the very end, opposite end, comes stepping out. He's like sir, this recruit like shaking and the drill instructors just attack him. He's like this recruit's rackmate.

Speaker 2: 30:03

Left in the middle of the night last night we were so we were off, but they thought we were wrong. Dude, all hell breaks loose. They shut down all paris island. They find this kid sleeping in the back of these barracks, like curled up in a door, the they and we ended up hearing and, uh, yeah, never saw him again. But we sat there for over an hour counting because this kid was you. You just didn't have the numbers, the numbers actually were accurate yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:25

Say, we had 75 kids. We kept getting to 74. They thought we would skip somebody every time and finally that kid steps out. Yeah, and so we never saw him again and that was it. But yeah, we sat there forever. The kid just dipped middle of the night. It was like I'm over this.

Speaker 1: 30:39

This ain't for up north. So when you're west coast you go up north to pendleton and so you go to the rifle range at pendleton, so you spend a second phase up there. It's easier, you can jump over and you've probably seen a thousand times you try to hit the five and you try to have somebody pick you up or you can hit the train and so so right where those barracks are yeah on the rifle range.

Speaker 2: 30:56

Dude, I was on my motorcycle there. I was doing like 150 ish on the five coming down because the elkac tower is like across from that. Yeah, those guys are. I'm fucking cruising. I was with a buddy of mine and I look back and I'm looking for him and I look up and you know, the five freeway, this traffic will just stop, stops, dude. I look up and it's just and I I pull my bike at the last second and barely miss this car and I split traffic doing like 130, downshifting and bragging. But, bro, I almost died right at that moment, right where those barracks are, that's. I almost hit a car doing like one.

Speaker 1: 31:29

I remember getting a safety right. I know the fucking five was that's from oklahoma, you know, and I would get a safety brief in school of infantry, like going out on libo. They're like more fucking marines die in the five than they do in combat and I'm like now the math, that math's out, bro, a hundred percent. Like people, you don't be a dumbass this weekend, you know.

Speaker 2: 31:44

Yeah safety brief.

Speaker 1: 31:45

Yeah which we, yeah, dude the window. Well, you reminded me of camp you're talking about, like the fucking personal money, valuable bag and the snap pop, what you know. There's dudes that, like when we would hydrate our drill instructors, you'd have your shirt tucked in, your whitey ties and shit yeah they just start pissing their pants like right out of their whitey tighties right on the floor.

Speaker 2: 32:03

I was crazy because I drank so many fucking water time I've ever seen a grown-ass man piss his pants oh my god, then martinez, he would be laughing his ass off this mexican kid.

Speaker 1: 32:12

He's so fucking funny. He was like the comedy guy, right, yeah, and joel struck me I fucking bounce. And he would just sit there and like go from air squats. You'd have to do air squats in his underwear as a grown man and I I'm just fucking trying to hold it together. Dude Booty is funny man, they're sadistic.

Speaker 2: 32:26

Yeah, dude, they're sadistic.

Speaker 1: 32:28

I have to get a drill instructor on Super smart with all this fucking twisted shit.

Speaker 2: 32:31

The games, man, it is just back and forth. The one time we were on the rifle range and the drill instructor had a broom handle like a mop handle yeah, just to handle no head on it and it had the metal tip and he would just drop it and every time it clicked.

Speaker 2: 32:47

We had to do an up down, up down. Damn. Middle of the night hours this kid ends up puking next to me and I swear it was tofu. I don't even know what we ate, that looked like it, but he puked up like these chunks of tofu and they're splattered all over me and I'm laying in this shit. We're doing up downs middle of the night. We're doing it silent, though, because he's hazy yeah, you can't supposed to be lights out in the rack.

Speaker 2: 33:04

Yeah, he's just pink and we're just the whole platoon. And dude, I stood up because I was right next to a pillar and uh, I said I was like fuck it, I'm done, I'm like this is stupid, I don't know what we're doing. Like I'm over this, I'm gonna bed in my rack. He's like bro, seriously, he's just gonna make it worse and the drill shirt is walking away from me but I'm behind the pillar so I got like a couple of rotations of not having to do.

Speaker 1: 33:22

I was like fuck you're right, everybody's gonna get thrashed.

Speaker 2: 33:26

I was like this is gonna get what. I'm not going anywhere like I knew I wasn't quitting, but I was. That was like this is I'm one of those people I have such a hard time getting fucked with, just to get fucked with. If you know somebody screws up, and they're, we're all mass punishment yeah okay, this sucks like we're gonna pay for it, but just because never process that no, I'm so anti-authority with that shit.

Speaker 1: 33:44

Dude, that was one of the hardest things about being in the marine corps. We talked about this for real, for real, dude.

Speaker 2: 33:48

So so boot camp at paris or paris island. You're, uh, you're, uh. How was that coming from oklahoma? Have you traveled at all I?

Speaker 1: 33:56

traveled a little bit, I mean. I mean I traveled, but nothing crazy. You know, I've been on a few vacations with my folks. My grandparents still lived in kansas so I traveled around the united states. It wasn't like first time I ever left, like a lot of people from oklahoma or small towns, you realize sure uh dude, I was talking about oklahoma.

Speaker 1: 34:11

There's this other guy in our bulletin. His name, his last name, was corns, corns. Fuck. He had to be from oklahoma too, and I didn't let anybody know where the fuck I was from after I found out fucking corns was from goddamn oklahoma. Corns had these fucking buck teeth, bro Like these big ass buck teeth yeah. Journal instructors love that shit.

Speaker 2: 34:26

Oh, any weakness.

Speaker 1: 34:27

They would like and he had fucking buck teeth sticking out. And I remember one night one of our journal instructors was like we're not fucking turning the lights off until Corns tucks his fucking teeth in his face.

Speaker 2: 34:37

And he's like, ah, sir.

Speaker 1: 34:40

And I'm just like dying laughing bro. They're like Korns. He gets on the fucking rack. You know they climb up real quick in your face.

Speaker 2: 34:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:47

Tuck your fucking teeth in your face and he's like oh, I'm like dude, nobody knows Like you, fucking retards from Oklahoma. Fuck you guys. You're like and I'm like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:58

Yeah, they're stupid, those guys from Oklahoma they're stupid, those guys from Oklahoma. They're special. And you're like, oh God, don't pull my file. Yeah, Drill instructors are the most sadistic human beings. Man, I've got to get one on the show and just hear the stories you do.

Speaker 1: 35:12

Like I said, I'll talk about some. There'll be some good ones, yeah, yeah. So I mean, what was your question? You said, I got out, I went to school of infantry. How was that? I was cool, I was like freedom. Oh, you asked about just going to San Diego in general, so that's kind of where I fell in love with it. Not from boot camp, because boot camp you're only looking at the damn airport.

Speaker 2: 35:32

Is it tough watching planes come and go all day?

Speaker 1: 35:34

Not me, but they made people that wanted to leave wave goodbye to them for like four hours, literally Like there was a dude named gumbosh. He got kicked out, he got med step and he shit his pants to try to get out. Like you know, do people do anything? Pissed his pants, shit his pants and the drill instructors went and hazed him right in front of the the airport because everything the chain link fence is right there oh, for sure yeah, and he just had to wave goodbye to all the airplanes.

Speaker 1: 35:55

If he's like, tell them goodbye, they're going home, but not you motherfucker. So he just waved goodbye for like four hours.

Speaker 2: 36:00

Outside we're just watching him like fucking sweeping and uh like I just wanted to like slay the lava dragon, I really yeah, I wanted to show the sword? Yeah, where my blues at like. Nobody told me about any of this shit well, I learned.

Speaker 1: 36:17

What you learned real quick is like dude, I'm just gonna get through, like I just the only way through is to finish this. And I saw this is what I don't think a lot of people know is like I realized really quickly that if you got fucking injured or if you did something dumb and you get pushed back to another phase, it could cost you two to three months.

Speaker 1: 36:33

You're there longer, longer. There's like worse than prison. You could be stuck there. And then you pass those dudes that are in uh flight suits that are trying to get med septali. If you go crazy and you want to say all this shit like gumbosh and some of these fucks that got out, yeah, you will literally be there longer than it takes me to graduate, I'll be graduating, boom, I'm out. Yes, and I'm onward for three months. Right, they're still stuck. They're getting processed out medically and it could be three to four months.

Speaker 2: 36:56

I know people that were on mcrd for like seven, eight, nine, ten months and life is not easy.

Speaker 1: 37:00

You're getting treated like that recruit the entire time. Yes, I went to him when I went to soy. They're like ah, you know, you got weekends off, you got a little bit of a rough instructor, but no big deal, it was cool, you respected them they're cool. Yeah, they're real. They knew they were gearing you up for the fleet and or to go to fucking iraq or afghanistan yeah, because you got some real training. They're like no more fucking with you, now it's time to actually train you. So you don't get your head.

Speaker 2: 37:20

They gotta make war fighters now. Yeah yeah, so that was dude I. We had a kid, I got pneumonia boot camp same fucking everybody gets pneumonia boot camp I was laid up for like two days and I was worried I was gonna get set back I dude, I almost I almost ended up passing out yes, bro, and then my drill instructor.

Speaker 2: 37:37

So I was the like the fastest runner in the battalion and my drill instructor like we had this love hate relationship. I wish I could find he I guarantee this motherfucker remembers me at all the recruits but uh, he straight up was like listen, motherfucker, if you go to bas you're getting sent back to the next class. He's like you're gonna stand watch on these the next couple of times we're doing things, no physical activity and he took care, like he actually is that kind of helping you out here and just let me rest because dude I was dying and after like four or five days, I mean I started to kick it and dude I but I was petrified, he's like. He's like if you want to start all over again, they will drop you, they will wait for the next class, you start all over again. We were like in the like second phase, like toward the end, and I'm like, oh, I was paranoid, petrified that I was going to get we would pick up dudes in like third phase.

Speaker 1: 38:27

Yeah, that just needed a third phase to graduate. I'd be like, how long have you been here? I'm like six months. You're like, oh my God, that's exactly right. We had like two or three that graduated in our class. Leave it on MCRD, yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:38

That would suck Horrible. So you go to SOI after that, which is what Horno, Where's SOI? It was on Pendleton, yeah, it was on Pendleton or Sammite, whatever. So then now you are all of your instructors. Are they all combat dudes? Yeah, yeah, they're all.

Speaker 1: 38:53

Because they're the MOS that's teaching you. So, like your MOS, like mine was an 0352, like the top of the tow gunners.

Speaker 2: 39:08

Then you got 0 men on 41s and then you got, uh, 11s. So were these guys. And the reason I asked was like we came in right when I hit the fleet the whole battalion was doing the push, so we didn't have, like we had, some dudes that were salt dogs, but you're coming in, guys are coming back.

Speaker 1: 39:14

So now these they're getting this duty station because they were in. You know freaking three, one, two, nine they were in all these places, right, yeah, so they're getting a chill gig now for how was that listening to them?

Speaker 2: 39:24

were they like prepping?

Speaker 1: 39:25

oh yeah you shut the fuck up. You listened like you were prepared, like because you knew it was going down, you know. And so they were. They were just like real. And it goes from drill instructors who were one. And that's another reason do I talk to my drill instructor like I told you off camera way longer, like literally 10, 20 or 20 years after I had gone through boot camp, but he was like that's the reason, you know, the mentality and stuff was so much different back then is because we knew where the fuck you guys were going like. We were hard as shit on you guys. You know, we knew what we just saw. Yeah, and I was like, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 39:53

I wonder what it's like now oh, I know, like I told you, I know that first sergeant used to be mcrd. He's like dude.

Speaker 1: 39:58

It's totally different now because the because the guys that are, the guys that are drone instructors were probably not even combat vets yeah I mean it could have been a motor t guy or a freaking admin guy that got the gig and he never really saw anything else. All he has is a boot camp story and some fleet stuff. So it's totally different than the dude that kicked in doors in fallujah that's coming to lock on 17 year olds, bro, just just hating the world. Yeah, a lot more rule following type stuff, I assume, instead of the late night shit like that. I knew hard drill instructors would lock people in the armory overnight because they'd be like you're cleaning overnight.

Speaker 1: 40:29

We're not letting you out. And he's like I have to lock you in because I'm not supposed to put you in there. We're like okay.

Speaker 2: 40:35

Yes.

Speaker 1: 40:36

Yes, they don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2: 40:37

No, bro.

Speaker 1: 40:38

It was different times then, and they could get away with a lot more yeah, they're sadistic because he had to lock the armory because he didn't want to be taking guns. So he's like you're in there, we're locking it, with you in it, you're cleaning rifles for the whole night, so we're gonna, and then we'll rotate them out next night.

Speaker 2: 40:51

Oh my god this shit, they didn't give a fuck like what are we? Doing in here, like why is there two guys?

Speaker 1: 40:56

at least it's not me.

Speaker 2: 40:56

That's all I thought you know it was always me, it wasn't really Always me he's got like a sore thumb, bro, being tall, I just stared. Yeah, I was always just like Marshall zero, zero. To the scribe Every day at boot camp scribe yes, sir, marshall, zero, zero. And I'd be like Firewatch every night. Never let him break me, though I'd be at bed like.

Speaker 1: 41:22

I just want a full night's sleep.

Speaker 2: 41:24

I just want a full night's sleep, because zero is the worst in the middle of the night. It breaks up your whole night as soon as you fall asleep, then you're getting woken up. You can't go back to bed With your stupid moon beam Like. What the fuck am I watching here? What's going to happen here?

Speaker 2: 41:37

Nothing's happening Except for some dude killing himself in the rain room. Yeah, dude, we had one night. My buddy and I are on fire watch. Zero, zero. It's right toward graduation time. This captain comes walking in at an out of the shadows, just like the zoolander, you know. When he's like yeah, in the coal mine, that's what this fucking captain likes. Like jesus dude's giant bro at that time, like the biggest marine I've ever seen in my life. Granted, I'm at boot camp so I haven't seen very many. But uh, this dude comes walking out, giant ass, white dude. He's like come with me. And I'm like oh, yes, sir, like, following him. He would go up to each rifle that hung on the rack.

Speaker 2: 42:14

So we hung ours on a rack yeah with like cabled in yep, dude, he would grab the locks, boom, it would just pop locks open and he would holy me the rifle and I'd sling it. Go to the next one. Rack, most of them didn't open. This dude ends up getting like seven locks to pop. And so I'm standing there with all these rifles slung. He's like go give them to your drone instructor. It's one in the morning, damn, slapping the stupid sign on the wall. Drone instructor. Drone instructor. Drone instructor. I'm like do I have to? And he's like dude, the drill instructor opens the door. He's in his whitey tights. He's got his campaign cover on why do you have all?

Speaker 2: 42:47

these rifles and I'm like what do you say? The captain's standing there. He's like take care of it. Drill instructor. He's like all right, sir. The captain leaves, the drill instructor's like put him fucking back.

Speaker 1: 43:07

I was like, okay, this is why we went mcrd. That's the kind of racks we had. It was up north they had, uh well, the armory. Yeah, the armory was they had like a closet inside each barracks.

Speaker 2: 43:14

Oh, yeah, yeah, so they'd lock you in there, people in there yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, I uh stories.

Speaker 2: 43:22

I heard this dude, this drill instructor. He's a buddy of mine. He told me they had a wall locker in their office, in the drill instructor's office, that the back had been removed, like came off, and so what he would do is he would have, when it was his watch night, put all the recruits in. Whoever was on watch would lock him in the wall locker, lock the kid in there. No, lock the drill. My buddy the drill instructor. He'd he'd have this, the the recruits lock him in the wall locker.

Speaker 2: 43:48

Okay, fully dressed, pressed, everything. And he's like, all right, good night marines. And he'd have him lock him in the wall locker. Well, as soon as they close the door, go out the back. He'd push the wall locker off the wall. That he, that motherfucker's going home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know he's sleeping. And then he'd have his watch and he'd they had their little handle in there. He's like he'd shimmy the shimmy, the wall locker, back morning what fire watch would come in and open up and he'd be standing there he's like oh dude, they psychologically just fucked them up.

Speaker 2: 44:12

Kids would open up like a toy. Yeah, push the wall over to be like let's go to work. Damn, these kids are like how is this dude standing in a wall locker sleeping all night? I'm like that's the shit that makes you think they're psycho dude. Yeah, that's what sets and breeds that mindset for marines, like that type of stuff.

Speaker 2: 44:28

You're like I had this drug structure, he'd sleep standing up all night long. He's home with his wife like getting it in and yeah, these kids are just mind fucked. Like how's he do this? Yeah, you totally would be. So you're learning machine guns or toes. I'm learning toes. You know you're doing all the people listening.

Speaker 1: 44:44

yeah, it's a tube-launched, optically-tracked wire-guided missile which we don't really use, right no?

Speaker 2: 44:49

dude.

Speaker 1: 44:49

They switched over. They taught us those and they taught us jabs too at the time. Oh, we couldn't shoot any jabs because they're too anyways, I mean, at least what toes, those are cool. I mean, shoot them. Machine guns are more fun, like 249s, 240s, all that stuff. We got to shoot all of it. So I, you shoot everything. 50 cals, everything. Yeah, yeah, thermite grenades, you're gonna do cool shit.

Speaker 2: 45:12

So, mark 19, you're doing all that, 19s, 203s, everything it's fun until you realize you got to go to the armory for the next four days and clean heavies.

Speaker 1: 45:19

Fucking horrible exactly. I'm glad I wasn't a 31. The machine gunners are always doing that, but at least. But you're humping the the. You had to hump the tube and the whole tripod and all this Vietnam ass tow gun shit in SOI. Yeah, so you guys, you go on all these rocks through the mountains over there in Pendleton and you're carrying literally like Vietnam style equipment. You're like there's no way this makes sense. Sense like we're really gonna fight a war with this shit, like even then it didn't make sense, but we were.

Speaker 2: 45:44

Yeah see, I was lucky because I was mechanized, so I mean, if we were walking anywhere, something was wrong majorly. Until we get to iraq and we park our vehicles, we're like here, here's the map, here's your ao tracks break down.

Speaker 1: 45:54

Do you guys have like the m88s to pick you up, just like the abrams?

Speaker 2: 45:57

yeah, so obviously ours is a amtrak version of it. And then we have tow bars. We don't have the M88. That thing's a beast compared to anything.

Speaker 2: 46:06

I mean, they can pick our whole vehicle up on the ground. So, yeah, but yeah, we have a wrecker crew that's usually in the back with the comm vehicle. That's like the COC section, the C section is what we call it, and so, yes, we have three main sections, but divided up. Yeah, it's uh, they're a little little brother in tow. That makes sense. They come in. And when I was in iraq.

Speaker 1: 46:23

Uh, I went to iraq in 2007, 2008, but we'll get into in a minute. But uh, and when I was in iraq, we had to go rescue, uh, an abrams unit that was coming back from al-assad. They were going back out and they were. They were pulling one of the vehicles. I think they're actually going to al-assad, but they didn't make it because one of the they're pulling with a tow bar and one of the, the front vehicles, spun a track, busted a track. They're cruising down and then boom, it rolls it. The back one pushes it and they're both on their side. And so we had to provide security for that, because our battalion commander is like we're going there. And so we went, we did security. There's like fucking F-18s flying over and everything. It was a deal.

Speaker 2: 46:59

Yeah, when you throw a track, I is a nightmare.

Speaker 1: 47:03

Rolled them. Rolled both of them because the tow bar, I'm guessing they were cruising. Pretty decent, oh yeah, tanks could move. It was moving. And then once it busted the back one just pushed it. Oh for sure, Just with the weight.

Speaker 2: 47:13

So after SOI you're reservist?

Speaker 1: 47:15

Yeah, I go reservist, so I go home. My boys are going to the 29 homes, so that's where everybody is split up from soi. Boom, boom I dodged that well, I say that I still went to mojave viper pre-deployment, so but yeah, I didn't have to live out there mojave viper, was it cax?

Speaker 2: 47:29

then mojave viper did it go.

Speaker 1: 47:31

I was just bobby, but I don't know I mean I think it was called something else before.

Speaker 1: 47:34

Okay yeah, yeah but anyways, yeah, I dodged that. They went to 29. And there's some other guys did some other stuff. Everybody's getting split up. Another one of my buddies was reserve, okay, and he was an 11, but he was reserve. Get this, dude, this is for everybody. That's like oh, reserves, fuck, fuck. Well, fuck you guys. Blah, blah, blah. Dudes in soi with me, we graduate. His reserve unit was already on pendleton that he got allocated to deploying. He literally walked around the corner and then he fucking deployed. No, yes, he had to go home for a minute because he got to go a couple days, but he had to go check in. He didn't get to go like I'm leaving a deploy, why he checked into a deploying unit. So he had a rad though up dude. I mean, he was probably the first one to hit iraq out of all of us that graduated.

Speaker 2: 48:16

He was a reservist that's the best way to do it. That's all about. He skipped all work yeah, he went.

Speaker 1: 48:20

They went to pollution too.

Speaker 2: 48:21

Yeah, yeah it's terrifying, it was horrible. Imagine being a kid and you graduate and you're like, oh, your units.

Speaker 1: 48:26

Well, he even thought he's going home because you don't know. As a reservist you they don't tell you what unit you're with until you check in oh okay, so it's like fourth mardiv right, fourth marine division, and so you don't know.

Speaker 1: 48:37

They usually allocate you best based on what unit's going to rotate out or what they need right if you got 10 guys that left uh 323 or 324, you got to put new, all the new guys allocate to them, and so when he got allocated right with like, oh, we need him, labelle's going there I mean that's like, that's not worst case scenario.

Speaker 2: 48:55

I mean, yeah, at least he's going right there and yeah, you go home like I did.

Speaker 1: 48:59

I went home for like what was that? Like three or four or five months. Then we rotated into our annual training and then our annual training we got, uh, activated, so I went to iraq like within a year of being.

Speaker 2: 49:10

Here's a question for you being a reserve, you could have doctors, cops, some hillbilly that works at fucking sonics, whatever, right, what's that like? I'm not not throwing shade on anybody who works at sonics. I'm just saying the difference in quality of people. Yes, you're not just. You're not just like marines. Your job you have. You go back to a normal life. Yep, best you can, you're doing your training, but that normal life is completely different than what you're doing in the marine corps.

Speaker 1: 49:41

So what I?

Speaker 2: 49:42

think there's pros and cons okay from my perspective.

Speaker 1: 49:44

Now, right, yeah, pros and cons. The pros would be you got some highly educated guys, like I was telling you the other day, I'm like. You got guys that are graduating from college. You got guys that are attorneys. You got guys that own businesses. Yes, because they're free thinkers. Like these guys are independently thinking. One of the cool things when you do to, when we deploy with the reserve I mean with my reserve battalion is dude guys are building shit. You're like oh, hey, uh, bam. Yeah, he owns a construction company. Can we do this, this and this and this in this area? Oh, let's build a movie theater.

Speaker 2: 50:10

Oh, let's do this in our fucking free time.

Speaker 1: 50:12

Oh the burn barrels. Look like shit. He's like. Actually I can re-engineer this. You got smart motherfuckers too so you're like people that are outside critically thinking um, or at least getting educated, or this guy's an engineer or this guy's like. I had some people that were getting like master's degrees. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 50:26

Like some smart people and other levels of stuff, and they were literally lance corpels. Yeah, so then you have the other side of then. You have the other side of the spectrum where you have the kid that's in this grandma's basement, that plays video games all day, that has a job at safeway, you know, and maybe he's not even a freaking clerk, but he's the dude that sweeps the floors in the back like so you have that, and then what happens if he stays in is he becomes a sergeant and he is now in charge of, you know, his squad or his people, and he could be a complete moron. It's all about time and grade, right, and then yeah, I mean, I guess it's a double-edged sword.

Speaker 2: 50:57

Yeah, I guess it's. It's the same in the fleet.

Speaker 1: 50:59

You just can't escape them after a weekend, you know well, the thing I noticed that I've seen like we worked with fleet guys all the time, right like, and I was on base, we got activated. People may not know this, but when you're activated to reserve, they take they took it, at least at our time really serious to get you guys spun up for a while. So when I got activated it wasn't like, oh, you're in iraq two weeks. No, no, I was activated and I was in. We spent I want to say we spent uh, three months in lejeune training, spinning us back up, getting us together from oklahoma.

Speaker 2: 51:27

You went to lejeune.

Speaker 1: 51:28

Yes, really because our sister company with weapons because I'm a weapons company, right, I'm mecked up too. So weapons and all of us, everybody goes east coast. We go to lejeune to activate. We're training there for three months like like active duty, like we're running around on base, we have barracks allocated to us. Everything is just like being a fleet guy yep, going to the gym, you get nights off, weekends off, same stuff, okay, for three months of that. And they're trying to just get everybody together. They're trying to fucking start going because they what I realize now is they don't have exactly where your ao is going to be yet. They don't know what unit they're going to put. You just know you're going, just know you're going. So they're getting you spun up and they're getting you all in one spot. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. And then so then we spend another two months in mojave viper. So we're spending another freaking month. I think it was like a month or two months, but it was a mojave viper it was at least 30 days.

Speaker 2: 52:11

Yeah, yeah, they're right around. At least when I went through, there were 30 days. Yeah, okay, so that's long enough. It was long enough, and it's hot as fuck, bro.

Speaker 1: 52:17

In the summer. We couldn't sleep. We're sitting on cots. It was so hot. Everybody there's like because there's multiple units in mohammed viper rotating out during the timelines.

Speaker 1: 52:25

Yeah, and they're like dude, this is worse than iraq, so just don't worry. And I was like for real. They're like yeah, and they were right, you're living in kwanzaa huts, bro, yeah, and it's hot as shit, so, anyways. So we are spent another month there and then that's where we rotate out of and go to iraq. But when we come back from iraq, we spend another two months demobilizing and going through the like don't f-bomb your mom classes, don't commit suicide, fill out your va stuff. So.

Speaker 2: 52:46

So when you go total, you're not just leaving seven months like a rotation when you come back? Are you home doing that two?

Speaker 1: 52:52

months. Are you no? On lejeune.

Speaker 2: 52:53

I spent back another two months in lejeune you guys come back from iraq and you have to sit in lejeune for two months before you go back home you got a freaking medical stuff.

Speaker 1: 53:01

You have all these things to do. Oh, all this paperwork to go.

Speaker 2: 53:04

God, all of the bureaucracy the last thing you want to do yeah, you mean and so like, do that.

Speaker 1: 53:10

I want to say I don't man my time, but at least it's over 30 to 45 days. And the reason I don't remember exactly is because, dude, the first weekend I got libo, I got in, the entire libo kanked from me because I didn't show up, I got wasted in town. And you're a liberal risk.

Speaker 1: 53:23

You're a liberal risk, I was supposed to check in but we were doing a formation the next day and me and my bro were out in town still wasted on someone's couch the first weekend back, really yes. And they're like, yeah, hancock, you're not going on Levo anymore. And I'm like that's all right, I'm good now had to get it in. I was like it's cool, yeah, no, I'll sweep this floor, this small on my face, for the rest of the time I'm in the gym. Yeah, as long as I can go to px get beer.

Speaker 1: 53:49

Once I'm done sweeping for the day, we're good yeah, so that's why I don't know how long it really was, because it felt like for an attorney for me. I'm inside the barracks every weekend, I'm just like see you guys later, dude yeah, you got your liver pulled I'm coming back.

Speaker 2: 54:01

That sucks you can't have zero freedom. So iraq you guys are going as a reserve unit. What? What were your guys? What's your guys's role or where were you at?

Speaker 1: 54:09

so, with being a tow gunner, we got allocated a personal security detail for the battalion commander, battalion sergeant major that's cool. I got a sick gig, so they call it jump platoon. Um.

Speaker 2: 54:19

So what we call, what it was called team, right, or something like that.

Speaker 1: 54:21

Okay and all we did was whatever he wanted to do. So I didn't have to do any fire watch at night because we're ready to roll, we have to be rested. I didn't have to do like any traditional burning of the shit until I got in trouble. There's a few times I did get in trouble and I got thrown to do the classic jarhead film shit. Um, and for those that don't know that, watch this, maybe you're not in the military. But like, literally, that's how it is, that's how it was. You know you shit in the barrel. Take the barrel out, fill it full of jp8, burn it and you're sitting in your freaking flight suit and burning cigarettes all day shit, black stuff on your face is literally human shit that's burnt this is what people don't understand when you hear about burning shit.

Speaker 2: 54:54

Because I was the shitty ncl so I I burned a lot of shit until I got smart and just dumped it into the burn pits. So savvy play we had. I might have told this story on this podcast, but when it came to burning shit, we had these female marines that they would. We built them their own shitters yeah, they had to be separate had to be separate. Everything's cool. So we have these female marines that come out and stay with us. We have to build them their own shitters and we explain to them.

Speaker 1: 55:21

Listen, ladies, pissing one shit in the because we're burning our shit out here Exactly what we were told. It's kind of hard to do that at first for all.

Speaker 2: 55:29

And I get it. It's probably difficult for a woman to do, I don't know. So they didn't listen to us. Both their barrels chili, just full of chili, it looks like. And so they're like oh, I get into this huge fight with their staff sergeant. I have to go get my lieutenant he fucking knife hands their staff sergeant for yelling at me. So, anyways, what we had to do is we put our three barrels together, which made like a triangle, and we lit them, filled them full of GPA, lit them, we're stirring them. We had to put fence posts through theirs, the T-posts through theirs, because we had handles cut in them, lift them and put on top of our squid our barrels of shit burning, and had to put the female Marines barrels on top of ours to boil it.

Speaker 2: 56:10

To boil Because when you're burning pit or burning your shit, you're not burning the shit, you're just evaporating the liquid out of it. Pretty much, yeah, it's dry, it just dries up, yeah, just like charcoal. So we had to boil theirs. Two, two straight days I had these chicks dragging diesel cans, filling it up, burning their shit. And here's the best part this staff sergeant, she, she hated me. I was fucking very belligerent to her and uh. So she's like fine, show us how to do it. It's so. I was like, okay, take that diesel can pour it in that bucket of shit, get a good batch in there, go ahead, light it up. So she lights it up and she's just stewing, bro, just yeah boiling that because now I'm in charge of her because she hates me.

Speaker 2: 56:49

And now I'm in charge of her because my lieutenant was like talk back to him again like he's in charge of you. So I got this little chip on my shoulder. I'm like, let's go. Staff sergeant, you know, like one of these, she doesn't realize. You know on the t-post how they're curved, it's always it's funnel up right, of course.

Speaker 1: 57:05

So it's flat on the top of the thing so you can pick it up.

Speaker 2: 57:07

Oh my god, so the shit's like well no, she puts the t-post in and it's grooved down and she goes and gives it a big old stir and the flames go right up the groove and just right in her face singe shit flavored smelling flames singe. Eyelashes, eyebrows, her bangs were all melted up. I die, die laughing. I'm on the ground like like just pointing and laughing and rubbing it. They quit, never came back. No shit, left our little, our little command post. We had a little outpost. They left. They were like we're done with this. That was it, it's all it took. They didn't want to come back.

Speaker 2: 57:43

I was like yeah, it ain't easy living out here in this shit easy bro no, they went back to the fob and then they ended up getting in trouble for leaving. So every day they would get a ride, like an hour ride out to where we were operating. We were running a vehicle control point outside of a city. Yeah, they would get dropped off every morning and picked up every night because they didn't fuck them. Refuse to burn their own shit. Bullshit, that's bullshit. Oh my god, what the fuck's equality? Right, we can't exactly. Oh, they want to be, they want to be us not like that.

Speaker 1: 58:06

For anybody that's out there advocating for equality, especially in line companies or infantry, you don't understand what the fucking bullshit you have to cater to because of it and how much infrastructure you have to actually have. I'm like okay, how's that going to work out? Yeah, we're all right. We're showering together. Are we all doing all these things together?

Speaker 2: 58:19

no, it ain't working like that, then you have to.

Speaker 1: 58:21

Everything has either a watch, a time limit on it, correct, you have to build them all their own, everything segregated, like the guys that did have lionesses, or female marines for those that don't know, like on combat outposts and stuff for checkpoints, tcps yeah they fucking? Uh, there's always somebody fucking somebody else, bro, oh there's always somebody there's so much drama. There's so much yeah, it's a mess and you got dudes fighting over the chick they're talking to like. It just causes things that you don't there's so much drama.

Speaker 2: 58:44

We're like so we were like you. I'm not a grunt, but I was an amtrak, so we're operating out out of the wire zero drama.

Speaker 1: 58:51

I mean, you got your little, like that but you're all pretty bonded at that point.

Speaker 2: 58:56

Yeah, bro, as soon as we brought out these females, the whole dynamic change. They're demanding things. Now. Dudes are getting caught hooking up with these chicks on convoys. They're pulling over and getting it in out in the desert like the last vehicle. This dude got caught, him and his chick. It was his chick driver and they were the last vehicle Dude they stopped. They would get it in real quick and catch back up. They ended up getting caught. It changes the dynamic, everything. Like I'm all for women being powerful, like oh, dude we're girl, dads, exactly we're girl dancing.

Speaker 2: 59:25

I want my daughters to be able to do anything I can.

Speaker 1: 59:27

Yes, there's certain roles that I very much so explain to them, like the advantages they have and the disadvantages they have, in order to be optimized right like you know what I'm saying you're gonna be like I'm just as tough as you, or my bones are made of the same as you.

Speaker 2: 59:37

It's not how it works it's not how it was, not how we're built. It's a lie. We're built men, and Men and women are built so completely different. Even as a younger Marine, I never understood why they were pushing for it, me neither. So you take boot camp right Parris Island. That's where all the female Marines, go Now.

Speaker 1: 59:51

Mcrd has females.

Speaker 2: 59:52

Yeah, I heard that, but then there's two different obstacle courses.

Speaker 1: 59:56

Oh, no way, I didn't even know that.

Speaker 2: 59:57

Because if you fail the male one, they'd make you go run the female one. And they make you point and laugh because you have to do the female course. You couldn't complete the male course. But it's like dude, if you want to, if you want to be as equal to me, why aren't you doing everything that I have to do? Why? Why are we lowering the standards? That's, that's the problem I have is low.

Speaker 1: 1:00:14

When we start lowering standards for people it's just one of them, honestly, because you have such an infrastructure issue and it's such a for sure other things for sure and everything.

Speaker 2: 1:00:22

Yeah, anyways, so okay. So you're, you're the battalion driver.

Speaker 1: 1:00:25

I'm not a driver. I'm just like I was a machine, I was a 249, I carried a saw gunner even better so you're just standing there volunteered for that. I was like who wants to carry this? I was like, fuck me oh, you think it's cool until it jams all the time and you have to clean it up and you can carry the ammo.

Speaker 1: 1:00:38

A lot of iraq, yeah. So we're going around everywhere in the ao. So we're in the al-anbar province. Dude, I got to do some sick operations. So you, when you get a battalion commander everybody that's in the military will understand this you may get a gun ho guy or you may get like a total pussy. Honestly for sure, ours was very gun ho. He ended up being. He just got actually got out. Uh, not that long ago, I want to say within a year, he retired three-star general dude, smart as hell. When he was a reservist because he went active duty later, okay. Um, when he was a reservist for us and our battalion, he owned his own law firm. Like the dude was gun ho, squared away, jacked, he was doing all these kettlebell workouts. Like he was a dude, he was a man's man. He was very cool. Lieutenant, colonel bell and now general bellen you can look him up.

Speaker 2: 1:01:15

Good for him good dude.

Speaker 1: 1:01:16

Good for him. I'm glad we got with him right. It wasn't some turd battalion commander it's scared a lot of them are.

Speaker 1: 1:01:20

This guy was not like we did when when task, when task force 16 came to our AO, which is basically green berets, uh, oda dudes and some Rangers. They were going to do an operation in our AO and it's our AO, and he's like, okay, cool, we're doing it with you, like, and we were on that off, like we can snatch it up VIPs houses. He was like in there, like sitting at the tables.

Speaker 2: 1:01:42

So what was the coolest thing you got to do with him?

Speaker 1: 1:01:44

I think that operation with the special ops dudes was pretty sick dude, because we they weren't super happy because we controlled the ao. They don't want to work with us. Freaking grunts, we're all degenerate. You know, in seven tons and humvees, the shittiest gear, literally like the night op we did, we broke up. It was like a convoy. Up front there was a full convoy. We broke in half. The blackhawks dropped in three of them, they got their own terp, they got their own, and detainees, they got their own dogs. And then they have to load up and roll into town with us in the seven tons and they're just like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:02:12

And I'm in the back with them too because I'm on the I'm in another corporal or in the back, and everybody else is loading up in these sf dudes and I'm like, hey, uh, my, I remember asking the guy I don't know shit About SF dudes at the time you know I was like, hey, what do I? What do I call you? Like, how do I address you? You know, cause the Marine Corps Is like you better call me Staff Sergeant, you better call me this. Like I don't see any rank. Y'all are fucking wicked. You got like four Opticals up there. I've just got one. Like what do you Use all this gear, spacesuits, you know you haven't even seen their gear.

Speaker 1: 1:02:41

You're like we've never seen any of their gear.

Speaker 2: 1:02:43

I'm like this is insane.

Speaker 1: 1:02:45

Yeah, what do I call you? He's like I just call me mike and I'm like, okay, mike, that's fucking sick and uh, anyways, that was one of the. That was a cool op. Yeah, we did another op. It was pretty sick.

Speaker 1: 1:02:53

We did, uh, we went down from aditha all the way down the msr main service road, all the way to biop. So baghdad international airport, oh, okay, green zone. We had to drop off a navy dock, like, uh, all the way down there to do something. So we drove and we went through the ramadi. We had to stay at camp ramadi and then we had to go around fallujah because it was still a shit show, and so we went around there.

Speaker 1: 1:03:12

So I got to see a lot of iraq, bro, I went from all the way haditha on a drive down to, um, the green zone, no shit. And then another. And then when we got back, we literally within the next day, we get back and, uh, senator mccain comes in with vips and cia and everybody else, um, on his presidential election campaign to iraq. Okay, so I have a picture of me, uh, 19 years old, shaking hands with senator mccain hope, you know, shooting to be a president mccain uh, in a soccer field with a machine gun on my lap at 19, really. So we got. So that's what I'm saying, like our battalion commander's, like boys, we're doing this, it's gonna be cool, and I'm like sick, like we're in yeah, see, because you don't as as, like a normal unit, you're sent to a town, you're sent to a post, you're we would check on all those guys yeah, you're getting to travel, yeah, what's?

Speaker 1: 1:03:59

up. I knew everybody because we were traveling around bro yeah, that was cool it was like the best job I think I could have had, especially since I only did one deployment to iraq yeah I loved it, like that was cool, I was for sure we're doing fun stuff for sure that board you know, that's where.

Speaker 2: 1:04:13

That's.

Speaker 1: 1:04:13

The thing that people don't think about is the boredom that sets in and I didn't even think about it because I didn't have that type of deployment like we was. You know what I mean? Like, oh, hey, tomorrow we're going to cop, uh, hocklinia, hey man, we're going to check on this mitt team out here. I'm like sick, everything's a new day. What year, what year were you there? That was 2007. 2007 to 2008. We went through the year transition.

Speaker 1: 1:04:31

I don't wonder if we crossed paths, because I was there in 2006 and came back in 2007 we ripped a active duty company, of course you know we, when we took their place, when we came in, I wonder, we in the dam? No, we got shuffled down to our.

Speaker 2: 1:04:45

We should line up dates because I was at. It has to be Aditha Ramadi Hock. Linnea Sinjik Barwana.

Speaker 1: 1:04:53

Barwana, we checked bar. Well, absolutely Did. That was our. That was the places we've had to go check, I Dude. So, Cop Ellis they named it after Sergeant Major Ellis when he got blown up, that was us. Oh dude, that's hilarious, that's crazy. The Cop Ellis sucked, didn't they have the showers that were like tents. Yeah, what do you mean? You had other options, Dude. Yeah, we actually had a trailer. That was sick in the city. They had a trailer. Okay, you have the battalion commander there. Yeah, you got a little bit of a nicer spot.

Speaker 2: 1:05:22

You know who set those showers up? The army. Oh really, the army came in like months into it. We had nothing there. We went a couple months without even showering. We were in the middle of nowhere. So if you had, cop Ellis, barwana was right there. There was a vehicle control point outside of Barwana. We built all of that. I don't know if it was still there or not and it was just triple strand wire, but yeah, cop ellis is where, because sergeant major ellis got killed on that deployment. There was a v or a suicide bomber. That's what killed a couple of other, a female marine and a bunch of other people during a re-enlistment ceremony. I believe they were doing at a at an entrance control point. But, um, the army came in and I know I'll never forget because I heard the lieutenant was like hey I think they're through showers.

Speaker 2: 1:06:04

I'm like, hey, you got a brief tonight, right, sir? And he that was my lieutenant was dope dude, like if we were like getting low on chow or like you know, the otis spunkmeyer muffins back in the day.

Speaker 2: 1:06:13

Those are sick blueberry ones, those, and rip it like rip it. I'd be like yo, sir, we got to go back and, uh, you got a debrief tonight, right, he'd be like, prep the vehicle. I'd be like Roger that. So I'd go get my boy and we would prep vehicles and roll back just for hot chow, hot chow. We show up, dude, and the army was there setting all these tents up and getting the hot water going. I was talking to them. They didn't even get issued weapons. The army dudes Water purification.

Speaker 2: 1:06:39

Their only job was to set up showers on for them, marines on the base, I guess they'd get. They'd come in on a log train, they'd dump everything and their job. But could you imagine joining the army and you're in iraq and you only have a weapon?

Speaker 1: 1:06:48

that's insane issue to you. That mean marines don't even know that at all, because you're always have a weapon, one arms. Even the cooks do. Yeah, the cooks are sitting there's, their rifles are back there on the slings, yeah it's wild.

Speaker 2: 1:06:58

That's pretty dope, though, man, that you got to travel like that I got a funny story going to an army base.

Speaker 1: 1:07:03

Now you say that. So, dude, I was coming back from that uh opera. We went to bagdad international airport and we shut up and we had to stay the night because we weren't going to hoof it through the night on that. There's so many fucking ieds on that I was like to an ied road, so we were going to take it at night and so we stopped at camp ramadi, which is an army base, a massive army base, like it's a pretty big, it's like not as big as al-asad, but anyways, we stay the night there. They just put you in those massive tents and then we're punching out in the morning getting chow, and we're out, and so we did. And then I hear some music after chow and I'm like man. There's some like loud music, like sick, and me and my buddy are like man. What is that? I don't know, let's go check it out. Like we didn't have where to be. We were just going to be at our's like a one of those buildings they built up yeah, yeah and it's like a fucking dance party there's.

Speaker 1: 1:07:49

It's like a full-blown dance party. Dude like this is definitely gonna have to edit it out of this podcast, but it is full of black people, okay they're all army black people and it is a damn gangster rap dance party and I and my buddy's like get out there bro. I'm like yeah, and we have our weapons on us. They don't have weapons, they're like in pt gear, like they're allowed to.

Speaker 1: 1:08:08

I'm like where the fuck am I dude? I'm in the middle of iraq and there's a dance party right here. Yes, and it's not. I'm not even hacking the black fuel, I'm just telling you what it is like. This is what I'm seeing.

Speaker 1: 1:08:17

Okay, I'm giving you a perspective all right, I'm like dude, what the fuck is going on? So I have a picture of me with my saw in my lap, like this, dancing on this floor and everybody's looking at me like they're all in PT gear, all armied up, and I was like dude. Get this picture and then let's get the fuck out of here before we get jumped.

Speaker 2: 1:08:32

Yeah, he's like dude Built different.

Speaker 1: 1:08:35

It was way different.

Speaker 2: 1:08:36

Built different Dude. You go to one of the Air Force B bro, they're like, yeah, give me some camaraderie. I'm like the fuck is going on. That does not happen in the marine corps. Hell, no, no, no, not outside of ramadi, at least not outside of ramadi. Did you ever hit camp tombstone? It was on, it was outside. It overlooked ramadi. It was on like a hill outside of the city that we helped build that. But that's cool here at camp ellis. So like we built that from the ground where we lived was in, uh, downtown haditha.

Speaker 1: 1:09:02

So we lived in the city, okay, and one of the old school houses, and then what happened was there was a line company there and then us, uh, and then h&s was back up at the dam and so we lived there but, um, with some s shops and some psyops units, okay, and then what happened was like everything was changing in iraq big time. So our, uh, our sops were changing big time. So we were like, when we got there, we're freaking like pin flaring people, we're changing big time. So we were like, when we got there, we're freaking like pin flaring people, we're pointing guns at people, we're ripping people out of cars, like, like you want to have a, you want to struggle, coming back home, be 19, with a machine gun, ripping adults out of their cars and slamming them on the curbs, and then, all of a sudden, you have to freaking like, follow the speed limit follow the speed limit or something?

Speaker 1: 1:09:40

Jolly Green, giant bro, you do what you want, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:09:42

You got a machine gun Rolling up like fucking, do this, do that Pen flaring every Too much. Yeah, how fun were pen flares. Oh so, sick dude, Burn a case a day. Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:09:50

I used to give kids like I was like Mr Pepsi, give me Pepsi, I'd be like fucking, hand it out non-alcoholic back.

Speaker 2: 1:10:06

So I down my dump pouch and I did some stupid shit. Dude, we kind of talked about it the other night like we're looking, like we're just looking back on it now as the veterans who we've become, like we're with the weapons of mass destruction right now, that we've been out of the the theater for a while and you look back on the shit that they turned us out to do, like no, fucking, no wonder they wanted to blow me away, no wonder they hated us.

Speaker 1: 1:10:30

Like there was never weapons of mass destruction and we're just kicking in doors, blowing everything up spray painting their houses everything's got bullet holes in it like fucking lance corporal hancock and bammed his ass hatting around dude putting holes in everything and they're like hearts and minds.

Speaker 2: 1:10:46

Hearts and minds Like imagine if a military just came to our country. We're like you guys have weapons of mass destruction. Yes you do bitch Boom, your door's down On the ground and they're like I don't know what the fuck. Yes, you do. We're like here.

Speaker 1: 1:10:57

we are brainwashed dude, we created our own enemies. Like I could watch in real time like the cycle, like so you so, dude, some guy gets killed, even if it's a collateral damage.

Speaker 2: 1:11:07

Like boom, there's generations of hating us dude.

Speaker 1: 1:11:08

Sometimes they're so fucking dumb too right, like some of these countries, like you guys know what I'm talking about. It is what it is that'll go viral, but yeah, they're really fucking dumb, like the dude's going. I'm, like you knew, like one of the guys, we had a situation that they were going inside of one of the combat outposts and it's like dude, you are from here, you live here, and he's passenger got his head blown off by a 240 from security at the gum, at the gates, because he's like and he gets out and he's like oh my god, I thought I went the wrong way and the marines are like it just mows them down. He's like yeah, my head, my buddy's head, just got completely graped and blown apart because I went the wrong way to work today yeah and I'm like you're, so I'm what I'm getting.

Speaker 1: 1:11:43

What I'm getting is he was dumb, like he took that route.

Speaker 2: 1:11:45

They are sucks, but that's kind of who you're dealing with, but it's not even like their fault. They just no, no, they're living in a mud hut. And then here, they are, and then we're we're implementing all these rules, curfews, boundaries.

Speaker 1: 1:11:56

They're like dude, they want to have. Like. When I came back home, I mean people were like how was it? Whatnot? I'm like, they don't want what you want. Bro, you think they want what you want?

Speaker 1: 1:12:03

they want to get a cell phone next to the place where the goat's hanging out front and his throat slit and the blood's going down the street and it goes over to a puddle of nastiness next to the hospital where they throw all the fucking shit, the bandages out back and burn it, yo said, and then they're gonna take a shit on the side of the road in their mandrakes they don't want what the fuck you want, and they're like oh, I'm like you're actually an asshole for thinking that they do.

Speaker 2: 1:12:24

They're the happiest they could ever be with that. Yeah, I don't have it bro. I get it dude it's, it's. It's tough looking back now, like at the iraq war and and knowing that there were never weapons of mass destruction, that we were all played this whole 9-11 bullshit, and it's like you kind of look back now you're like my bad. Yeah, we were just following orders.

Speaker 1: 1:12:41

What's crazy is like you go, so I did so when I went to baghdad. Dude, there's also houses with like pools, like concrete buildings like nice shit too. So you're like huh, like same with like afghanistan we talked about the other day. Dude, you look back before islam really took over and there's people in like beautiful regular clothes.

Speaker 2: 1:12:55

Look at iran right, look very westernized. Yeah, it's like a vacation spot you know what I mean? That's a sick little desert trip 100, and now it's just I think it's. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is it is what it is and you know what we didn't know we were. We were being patriots and defending our country because it was attacked. But you look back on it it's like a lot of things that we wouldn't done ourself.

Speaker 1: 1:13:13

One thing I I realized, though, at a pretty young age this is what made me question a lot was the kbr. You know kbr, right, the chow hall companies, the contracting companies. Well, I didn't have due diligence, and and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, look it up, but like kbr was part owned by halliburton, halliburton was owned by dick cheney. Yep, so I mean, look up, I mean the details to that may be gray on what I know about that, but I do know that that is that that company was a contract company for sure. I'm like it does make sense, think about it like, if I'm the big wig, we got this big war machine going, and I'm like man, you're like, ah, man, I'm thinking about I'm going to start a company. I'm like, cool, start a company, you just broker it out, I'll give you the contracts, let's go.

Speaker 2: 1:13:50

Did I do a dude that had the, the, the military contract for shower shoes oprah rich.

Speaker 1: 1:13:58

Oh, easily yeah all for shower shoes, but his buddy was probably charging fucking 10 times more than it would cost to do it in the civilian world yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:14:04

But his buddy had a contract and knew some people and told him, hey, we need to do this and they're ordering these every shower shoe that any army marine anybody's ever worn. That meant to do. That had the country and, dude, he hit his own porsche race team like oh yeah, and he hit a wealthy, wealthy and that's all it takes, and that's that's what people don't realize.

Speaker 2: 1:14:20

When these wars kick off, they, oh, we're making the rich rich and you're making their friends rich. We're making their family rich, their kids kids are because they all set all this shit up.

Speaker 1: 1:14:29

Think about not even being a part of that. Think about even just having the inside knowledge of trader, of trading and knowing that you could invest in the stocks for that company. You know and it goes public. You know what I'm saying and you do nothing.

Speaker 2: 1:14:40

You just cash out correct that's my problem right now with the government, but so whole other podcast. That is a whole other.

Speaker 1: 1:14:47

We don't have time for that shit, but uh yeah, so I get, I get back from iraq, um, I get back, go to lejeune for two months. I do a month, whatever, it is two months and then I rotate back home. I land back in tulsa, oklahoma. My parents picked me up and, um, I was kind of fucking lost, bro, like, even though I just went, did bun pump out there, I was with my boys for a long time and then I'm feeling very alone with my two parents, who were like you know. I told you guys a story like conservative family.

Speaker 1: 1:15:10

They're always there for me, my parents are good people, but I remember they're in the front seats and I'm in the back and I'm just like start fucking crying, bro, like. And my boy texts me my driver, really good friends, my buck's last name and I'm like, and I'm just like breaking down, bro, I don't know, it felt really alone. I can still feel the feeling. I've been married 12 years now and I have my own kids but I still feel that, um, that feeling. You know what I mean. It was like I don't know these people anymore. I'm just a different person now sitting here and not that.

Speaker 1: 1:15:38

I like not that I like wasted thousands of people or I got blown up in an IED or something even just being so star, separated and being such under stress for so long and just in a different world and seeing so many different aspects of things and thinking that you were going to die any day for the most part, and you know doing the shit we do I was really detached from these two people that, like I have nothing to explain to them. I can never tell them enough to explain my how I felt or what happened to me in my experience.

Speaker 2: 1:16:03

A lot of it. I think too. You don't have to be some fricking SF guy and all this other crazy shit like you're saying, but I think a lot of it too is you, the bonds that you create.

Speaker 1: 1:16:13

I was more or less what it is. Yeah, struggling from some fucking situation and I don't think ptsd really comes from that, to be honest, like I have the feel to this day that I gotta have no problem, if somebody was like a child molester, I'd blow his brains out I'm not gonna.

Speaker 2: 1:16:26

I'm gonna sleep at sleep at night.

Speaker 1: 1:16:27

We're gonna have a fucking drink. I guess I don't care yeah but what I am, what people have ptsd from, I feel, is a lot of past traumas prior to that, prior to the military, or things they never addressed onto it. That's what leads on to. It's a lot of like child molestation maybe happened to them, things like that. I don't think those situations are what causes ptsd. I mean I could be wrong. Good, I'll have an expert on one day, but I did struggle a little bit when I got back lonely role.

Speaker 2: 1:16:50

I mean you go, you go. And this is what a lot of people don't understand either is it's when we talk about camaraderie in the military. It's not just like a sports team, because I can relate athletes, I feel athletes that are on teams and they come together is the closest that you're going to get to that military feeling.

Speaker 2: 1:17:06

But when you're, you're on post with this dude for months on end and in your or you're in a vehicle with them, you're living in a confined space in the back of a tank where, dude, you're hearing every fart. You'd have no privacy, you can't every little creek and crack. You're hearing it. Yeah, but that means that you're, you're living with these people. It's like living in a cave, like even when you have a little hooch, it's. You have your boys and then that camaraderie and that becomes life, it is life. And then they're there and you always have that dude there like yo, let's go to chow, hey, we're gonna go grab this, you can want to. Hey, grab me something. When you're there, exactly, learn. And then your boy comes back with a tray of shit, like yo, I know you like these bro.

Speaker 2: 1:17:45

Yeah, here you go thanks, dog, and it's that little shit that you get to learn like your homies. Yes, this is where like that camaraderie, where people, where it's. It's almost sad on the civilian side because I feel most people that don't have that experience or at least deployed experience, they miss out on such a deep friendship Like I have friends right now that I haven't talked to and we can go 10 years. He sits right there and we will cry, laughing and pick right up on the last foot Exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:18:10

We step off on, because it's that there's like that deep trauma bond getting hazed together. That's where the athlete thing comes in, like early training season everybody goes through the suck together. It's the athlete thing comes in like early training season everybody goes through the suck together. It's the same shit. But it's like just every day in, day out, sun up, sundown, middle of the night, you're checking on them. They're sick, you're, you're bringing them shit, like that all becomes. And then all of a sudden you come back to the states and it's gone all surface level.

Speaker 1: 1:18:34

A lot of times, you know that's what I was like and so, yeah, I, so I go and start working for my dad again. Bro, I just started working construction again and doing what I'm doing. I went back to school so I got my associates in municipal fire safety. I felt like I needed to, so I was going to get on the fire department. You know kind of do the paramilitary organization thing. At that time.

Speaker 1: 1:18:53

Everybody was getting out of the military, as we talked about the real push was getting people out now because they were downsizing everything, yeah. And so I was applying for oklahoma city fire and there'd be like seven open positions and there'd be like 1700 applicants and I was like, fuck, I can score an 85 on the written tests and not even get looked at. And so I did that like three or four times and I was like, fuck this, I'm like fighting to make 35 grand. I make that now, as you know, as a firefighter. Okay, I only work 11 days, but I could just do construction and get overtime and make make as much or more for sure.

Speaker 1: 1:19:22

So, um, um, that's when I got real disgruntled, like, and I kind of fell back into my old habits, the ones that I had before I had gone in the military, which is like drinking again, partying again, going to bars fighting stupid shit, just having fun as a you know, an idiot. Um, I went to a rodeo school for a short, like weekender deal and I drove bulls and I tried to buck some other people's freaking colts and stuff. I was hanging out, this whole cowboy crowd. Yeah, this is my cowboy era. Yeah, and you know, being in Oklahoma, it's not hard to throw a stone and find that.

Speaker 2: 1:19:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:19:51

But so I? I essentially did that and I was just what I was searching for though I was a searching for a journal in again Like searching for adrenaline, again like there was just nothing that would give me the high that I had before of like doing what we did, like you know, it was like and it was so. Everything was so boring and so watered down. It felt like in the civilian world, so I needed to like make it more exciting and do more crazy shit to get up there, and it's a vicious cycle. I think that's why guys rotate all the time and keep going and get addicted to the cycle of combat um and um. I was going back to the gym starting pumping iron some more. I never really quit. I was working out at the fobs and combat outpost.

Speaker 1: 1:20:23

Probably, like you too, keep your mind off shit and have fun. But, um, I one of my buddies the reason I say this is because a couple of my guys I was working out with were older than me and they kind of were like dude, why don't you start your own business, like, if you're so pissed off at like doing what you're doing? And I was moving up in my dad's business my dad's not one of those guys that like and mad respect to him, he probably did this on purpose, looking back but he's not one of those guys like oh son, yeah, let's get you a bigger salary, let's make you this guy, you can run the company one day. No, my dad's like you're gonna figure it out on your own. If you ever ask me, then maybe we can talk about that, but I'm not gonna fucking like give it to you I respect that you're gonna be like.

Speaker 1: 1:20:52

I was like when I work, start working for to like 15 bucks an hour and finally got like a 40 ish thousand dollar salary, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:21:01

I'm working like hard. Look at what that did for you, though. Oh, that's what. I made me hungry. I mean, I was not getting. I made me hungry for sure.

Speaker 1: 1:21:08

So I was operating equipment, you know doing all that stuff welding, um, backfilling, running excavators, uh, skid steers, you know whatnot. But anyways, the buddy of mine's like, hey, dude, you should, you should start your own business. And about this time just so you guys know the time-lapse like I did, I ended up meeting my wife now. So we started dating. I'm taking life a little more serious. She's like kind of the one that I shut all of the stupidity down when I saw shut all the stupidity down and I started to fucking focus and I met her. I took things serious. Like I was like okay, now I met the woman that I want to be with, we're going to get married one day, and so that immediately I took that energy and that attention and that mission that I had of just being an idiot and I started focusing on getting married and having kids and then building a business. Once that got, you know, put into my brain.

Speaker 2: 1:21:54

Interesting.

Speaker 1: 1:21:54

That's what I did. I took all that energy.

Speaker 2: 1:21:56

That was like going in bars and doing all this stuff, looking which I feel a lot of guys pulled into it and then that becomes the new cycle. It was the new cycle for me and a lot of guys get lost.

Speaker 1: 1:22:06

It's not what I ever wanted, like I think that it's not what you ever really want. It's like a short highs, like we talked for sure and there's no long game in it.

Speaker 2: 1:22:12

like what are you going to do? Party and drink your whole life? That's. A lot of guys find themselves in that groove. Yeah, we know a lot of people that do that. You know there's a lot of vets, and so and this is where I really wanted to have this conversation with you, because you know, the veteran community is always you know what's next and what do I do, and everybody still feels so lost and it's like, bro, we've accomplished so much in the military, like it's just how do we start changing these guys' mindsets?

Speaker 1: 1:22:35

Well, I think one of the best things for me is I only spent four years. Four years then, right, yep. And so I was out really young, to put it in perspective. I got in at 18 ish, like fresh 18. I got out at 22 and I had bought a house because I saved up a diploma, I didn't have any expenses, I wasn't married and have kids, I didn't have a truck because I just sold it before I left and so I'd save some money. And I bought a house at like 22 years old, got a roommate roommate Like.

Speaker 1: 1:22:59

I didn't even know what house hacking was, I didn't know anything about assets, but I was like this seems right and I sure as shit don't want to live with my parents anymore. Yeah, so I bought a house, like a three bedroom, two bath little house for 150,000 bucks and 30 something thousand dollars down on it. Okay, yeah, this is 2008. No, so this is no-transcript incentive for first-time homebuyers to give them another eight grand back if they buy a house. And so I was like I'm gonna do that. This is head of rent. And so I did. I mean, I might come from construction, so I had some ends and I knew some people and I got and I got a deal so what was the first business that you started?

Speaker 2: 1:23:43

I mean so as a as a new out of the marine corps, venturing into, I guess, the entrepreneur life. Now, yeah, what are you starting?

Speaker 1: 1:23:52

so when I got the house, I was still working for my dad, so I kind of time lapsed it over just trying to fucking hear the story together for everybody. Um, and then when I met my wife, I went to the do the gym was like start your own business, and the only thing I knew what to do was to build houses, because that's what I grew up in. I've done everything in construction, like from foundations to everything, plan, design, all that stuff like helping with all of it. And so I started my first company that I ever started was a home building company, and so I built.

Speaker 1: 1:24:16

What I did was when that buddy I was talking about was doing well, very well, he's about 10 years older than me and he's like dude, I'll help you do your first deal. Like you want to build a house and I'll help you get the banking. Like I'll partner with you. I was like sick dude, this is awesome. I had all the questions, all these fears, all these doubts and this kind of goes down the veteran route and the new mission that we talked about. So I had all these fears, all these doubts and then I turned around and he was like dude, didn't you just get back away from Iraq, like you're this Marine guy that could have like died, what, like? What the fuck are you talking about? He kind of put it in perspective for me and.

Speaker 1: 1:24:45

I was like, oh, dude, you're right. Like I wasn't scared at all. So I went to my dad and like, hey, I'm going to start building. I'd like to still work for you, obviously because this isn't going to pay off until I sell it. Can I do part-time or whatever. Can I check my project on the weekend? Or obviously on the weekends, but in the evenings too? Like get off at three, go check the? And he was. I was like well, this guy you know my friend blah blah blah. And he's like okay, he goes. How about this? How about I help you get the lot? I co-sign for you on the lot, the dirt, the dirt was like 20 grand.

Speaker 2: 1:25:27

Okay, and I said I didn't have fucking 20 grand anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:25:30

And so he was like I'll co-sign with you, I'll get the lot, and I'm like, well, fuck yeah, my dad, I trust my dad. My dad's a square dude like solid.

Speaker 2: 1:25:40

So I saw what he was doing.

Speaker 1: 1:25:41

He was like yeah. I was like okay, cool. So I got given an opportunity, I took it and I was like cool. I told the other dude. I was like hey, man, I'm doing it this way. He's like no big deal. Cool ended up selling the thing and sold it and made 45 grand on this one spec house. Would that feel?

Speaker 1: 1:26:05

like more than I was going to make an entire year, bro. Yeah, I was like it was the first click and epiphany that like this is how money can actually be made without me turning a wrench or running a piece of equipment. Like that was my first unlock of detaching my money from the hours. I didn't take into consideration that I'd spent nine months building this thing, but at the same time it was like I've never been handed that much money in my life, like I usually was saved you know incrementally or something, or sold a truck or something. And it was never that amount of money, it was like three grand or something, yeah, so this is big for you, yeah six.

Speaker 1: 1:26:34

That's when I was like oh, hell, yeah. So I was like I'm doing it again, really, yeah, I did it another time and I did the next lot, like in the same little area. These were infill lots. The neighborhood was already developed. There was three or four left and so I was like I'm gonna take these down and I did them. I did the next one and I sat on it for a little while so I learned like, oh, you can get hurt doing this too. I ended up selling the house finally and making 25 grand on it. So I was like that's sick. Then I bought the next lot and then the last lot that was in the little subdivision that was there cause they were in Phil's it was.

Speaker 1: 1:27:03

Somebody else came to me and said hey, I want to build my own house. I want to live in this neighborhood. I know you're a builder and you own the lot, but I don't want you to build it. My dad's a builder. How much do you want for the dirt? And I was like I bought the'll sell it to you for 45 grand. So I made like 20 something, grand, just flipping dirt and I was like it still didn't click for me though Like I'm going to I'll get into in a second but like I've done a lot of deals and a lot of real estate stuff now but I didn't really put into perspective what I had just done. On that last one I was like dude. Now, looking back, I'm like dude, you're a was like, oh, that was really cool. Now I'm going to go back to building literally what I did. So I started building up. The company got a little bigger, I got more of a reputation, I did some parade homes, I was marketing it. I got, you know, doing all this other stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:27:49

You're fully on your own.

Speaker 1: 1:27:51

Yeah, so I stopped working for my dad, probably within like a year ish of that that second house that I'd sold. Yeah, yeah, I'm fully on my own.

Speaker 2: 1:27:58

No kidding, bro. So now you're hooking and jabbing.

Speaker 1: 1:28:01

I'm hooking and jabbed as hard as I can. At the same time I'm getting, I'm married, I have, I'm having, kids are on the way to having kids really close, and so that's that's what's happening. Yeah, and I was getting customs, so where the money comes from, so's called a spec house. People don't think anything about that. When I did my first one, I didn't think about it. I thought, oh hell, yeah, I can make money like this every time I get why builders are rich in your mind. But you don't realize, like if I would have sat on that property for X amount of months more, I would be paying all this interest accrued and then I would have made nothing and I would have worked for free. So there's down where you can literally, you know, lose big time. Oh, yeah, a lot of builders go bankrupt.

Speaker 1: 1:28:39

People don't understand that.

Speaker 2: 1:28:40

Especially if you've got three, four houses all being built.

Speaker 1: 1:28:43

I have been there. That's a good, I'll get into that one. I've been there and so I keep cooking, doing well, but I'm taking on custom homes. So for people that don't know what custom homes are, it's like one-off plans. Like Bam and his wife want to build Full blown custom, I bid it.

Speaker 1: 1:28:59

You guys say, yeah, let's do this house. I say it's going to cost 500,000 and I do. I do cost plus. So 500,000 cost, that's the cost plus my percentage. So I would do, you know, 10 to 15% depending on the project size. And so I'm making 150,000 bucks on if I'm doing 15% on a million, right, if it's 500,000, I'm making, do the math. But it's consistent.

Speaker 1: 1:29:22

And now what it is is like as we build, I bill. As we build, I bill. So it's now I'm getting cash flow so that I can live my life and then I'm building a house to sell so I can make a lump sum. So I'm doing both now because I needed this to survive. I needed customs to survive, to feed me every day. Because it's like at least if I have two or three projects going, I could make a couple hundred thousand dollars a year over a period of time, every single month. It's like my check, yeah, and then over here I could have these projects that pop, and when they pop I'll make you know $80,000, rip, $50,000, rip, blah, blah, blah as I sell them. This is the concept, right? Business, business, business things happen, yes.

Speaker 1: 1:30:01

And so, 2018, I was moving and grooving. I was like I was reading, like all these books. Now I'd gotten all into it. I had young kids. At the time, my kids were both under three. My girls were 13 months apart. Um, and so I, I built my first house, too Like. So let's rewind. I built my first house 3,500 square foot gated neighborhood. Um, I was doing well, and we're talking 29, 30, 31 years old.

Speaker 1: 1:30:19

So you're impressive from the outside looking in, for sure, and I'm just in it, like I'm just doing the work, like I'll do whatever I take. I'm hungry, bro, very hungry, um, and I was. I'm figuring it out, I'm listening to, I think, uh, jaco's book comes out like stream ownership and I'm like shit, I need to be a better leader. I'm realizing like there's things I need to solve, like also, becoming a father made me start digging a lot deeper into, like the thought of how I grew up, like as much as I love my parents, and stuff too, in construction field. For anybody that's ever been in it before, you don't realize it's a very pessimistic blame game. A lot of times, so it's like oh, the framers, framers fucked this wall up, so we can't work, we got to get the sheetrock fix, and everybody's always bitching, and so the dialogue is always complaining instead of like, hey, let's get this done, let's do this. And as an entrepreneur and as a business owner, as a leader, as a man, you have to start solving things and be the solution and not become the person that just regurgitates the fucking problem. Yep, you know, sam, everybody does correct, and so that's why I'm rewiring my brain, like even my dad is. You know he was successful or is successful in construction. He still very much has that construction mentality of like these fucking guys are too stupid, they won't fix this, you know, and I'm like dude, I don't want to live like that, bro. I just want to have that negative vibe my entire life. So I'm educating myself and doing all this stuff. I have two kids under, uh, three years old.

Speaker 1: 1:31:35

Like I said, I build these two spec houses, speculative investments, like. Like I said, I went and got these, these loans. I was smart, though, in the case that I did one of the houses with a partner, because I didn't want to get I'm going to have a lot out there financially. I have a partner on one who's also a builder, and this, the reason we did that is because that house was going to get a ton of attention. We did it in a new neighborhood and we did it as a as a. It's called the street of dreams, and you have to be a selected builder to be able to get into this block, and it's the first block of the newest neighborhood, and so we got it, and usually you blow the house out, you're talking like like thermidor is giving you 50 off, like all the thing, marble tile, and everybody wants their product in the house because it's going to get seen by thousands and thousands of people got it and I was like I want in on that, let me be a builder in there. And I did.

Speaker 1: 1:32:20

I got in and I was like hey, told this other builder, I said let's do this together so we can diversify at least the liability. So we did this one and I reading 10x grant cardone getting all jacked up trying to be rich, you know, I'm like you know what's even better than that like I wonder if that developer will sell me another lot across the way, like we're in the area but like the other side of the neighborhood it's not over here, but it's in the neighborhood and I can get all that traffic and attention from that show home and I'll sell that one on my own and I'll build two in there and I'll be make I'll make 400 plus thousand dollars on those two houses. That's literally where my mind's at and I'm like, fuck him, what can go wrong? What can go wrong, bro? And so I'm like this is genius, yeah, you know, and if it would have panned out like that I would have done it again.

Speaker 1: 1:33:04

Right, like just nature. I would have been like double down. That was so sick, bro, why would you not? Why would I not? But but in 2018, houses weren't moving as much, and so we had this house finished and I had my other one finished and I'm living in my new house at a young as 30 years old new father, and that house is worth probably $600,000. That I'm living in, this house over here, is on the market. One of my specs is on the market for $980,000. The other one over here is on the market for around a million plus, and so I have a lot of freaking debt out here and I'm still doing some customs, so they're paying the bills, but all of my money essentially is getting take.

Speaker 2: 1:33:47

Is is going right back to these payments. Yeah on these houses.

Speaker 1: 1:33:47

We're talking 10 to 15 000 plus a month, you know, and the money to me at that age was breaking me. Yeah, I'm working my ass off and having nothing to return. I'm just trying to pay this, stretching credit cards, figuring it out, um, and so we got an opportunity to sell the street of dreams house, the big one, and we took it. My partner's like he's an older builder, so he was smart. He's like dude, take the loss, let's move, let's do it. We got the marketing, let's move on. So we did.

Speaker 1: 1:34:06

I ended up having to bring a $60,000 check to the closing table. Realtor walked away with 40 something thousand and so I realized really quick I'm like I don't know what I don't know I wrote a check for 60 bands, me and him as a partner, so split it technically, but still it was a lot of money. We put a check down to get rid of the home because we didn't want to pay interest anymore, and the realtor walked off with a 40 something thousand dollar 45 000 check and I'm like she had zero liability the entire time and did fuck all, fuck all like, just because somebody tripped over and said I want to buy the house and she negotiated the paperwork. I'm like that was my first click of like you need to figure something else out, bro. So you're telling me if somebody stole that house, basically, yeah, yeah, yeah, they did a great job. I mean, we were ready to be done, bro, we.

Speaker 2: 1:34:48

The bleeding needs to stop you got your losses when you take them a lot of people will ride that ship to the bottom.

Speaker 1: 1:34:54

Well then you.

Speaker 2: 1:34:55

I mean, that's how you go bankrupt, like you got to move on, take your losses and then go gain ground I think, I think pride is is a huge killer in business, because I've got like nope, nope, not, I'm not taking a loss I'll wait it out wait it out, but you're, you're paying investors every month hell.

Speaker 1: 1:35:09

No, my pride will not get in the way. Numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers. Burn it and go 100 so you learn.

Speaker 2: 1:35:13

You're learning a valuable lesson right here. Yeah, yes, so that got.

Speaker 1: 1:35:16

I got that one off the books, I can breathe. I of course I have my house up for sale, the one I'm living in, you know, and I have this other one for sale because I'm like something's got or selling something. Tell my wife she's like whatever cool, which one sells the one I live in? Six hundred thousand dollar one, not the nine hundred and eighty thousand, sure, sell my house. I'm like, fuck yeah, I walk away with like 115 000 in profit. So now I'm kind of feeding back the coffers of the being able to just breathe again and move into the spec because I'm like I'm not going to go buy another house, build another house or do any of the rent, I'm just going to move into the house that I have on the market. I'm going to keep it on the market, I'm going to keep it for sale.

Speaker 1: 1:35:51

So my wife's literally having to deal with the stress of I didn't realize how much it stressed her out until much later, as we do deals and stuff and we talked but, like she's, like I just shut my mouth, but like I would cry myself to sleep a lot of times Cause, like financially, she felt super stressed and she has two kids under three and she's having to keep the house and tidy and shape Cause I'm keeping it fucking showing, Cause we need to sell this motherfucker.

Speaker 1: 1:36:11

And so I'm like I'm like cool, let's do it. And so she just, she, just, you know, ride or die rolls up. We did it. We lived in that house for like nine to ten months and then finally got an offer and made it may, ended up making another hundred grand on that one and, mind you like, just so you guys know, mentally I didn't have that hundred thousand from the first one and then doubled it. Now I have a couple hundred in my account.

Speaker 1: 1:36:31

No, no, no I'm repaying the 30 ish fucking grands that I'm paid out on that and the interest that I had. So I'm burning yeah, yeah, just so people that don't know own businesses know this because people in their head will be like oh, he has like 500,000 in the account at 32. No, I did not. So, yeah, in business you never really a liquid a crazy amount of money, especially if you're pushing the ball, if you're trying to grow more like if you if you in my mind, if you have a couple million in your liquid and you in most businesses, then you're not really pushing that hard in your business.

Speaker 1: 1:36:59

You're kind of in conservation mode, got it, anyways. So I'm like at that point, this is it was crazy. This is what I want you guys to understand too. If you've made this along with the podcast is really listen is during that time when we moved into that house that 900 something thousand dollar house before I had it sold, I invested. My wife and I both agreed. We started doing research. We're listening to these investor books.

Speaker 1: 1:37:19

I invested $52,000 that I did not have to put it on two company credit cards. Fortunately I had credit limits decent because I would use them for the building company for lumber and shit. I put them on two company credit cards and I and I invested into a two-year real estate program to learn real estate investing and I would go out every quarter with my wife her and I both together and this is what made us so much closer the financial times and the learning and we would go because I was like I'm not egotistical enough to be like I know, I just don't know something here. I will work till my fucking knuckles bleed. I will figure this out, but how much faster can I do it If I just learn from this guy or these people that have already done it? So you sign up for a real estate mastermind program.

Speaker 1: 1:37:57

Really, this is before gurus were on Instagram or YouTube or anything. Cause I wasn't even available at this time.

Speaker 1: 1:38:01

This was like when you went to hotel seminars Tony Robbins, og stuff this is when you'd go out there and you would like learn and they were literally a weekender class. We'd go to freaking Florida. They'd be at different spots and they'd pop up and we would take them. We would go out there and we'd have our book and we'd go back and apply. So that's how I got into real estate investing instead of being a builder.

Speaker 1: 1:38:21

It worked, bro, it worked Okay and so it worked big time because it gave me so much information I didn't know Interesting, yeah, so I'll tell you how fast it worked. We went to one of the classes and it was teaching us how to do seller financing which this was before.

Speaker 1: 1:38:35

Any of this was mainstream or cool. Yeah, yeah, it was like so, like what the fuck is that Like I don't know? Like the only investors that I really knew were like the old dudes, like the nerdy old dudes that's kind of how they used to be, really it wasn't like the young guy in the Lambo and it just wasn't. And so we learned how to sell our finance deals, meaning I could buy a property and then I could sell it to somebody else for more and I could get a percentage down and I could carry the loan and I would charge more interest on it. So I didn't rent it anymore. I sell or finance it. Like rent to own is what people may think of it as Got it.

Speaker 1: 1:39:03

So I learned that one concept and I bought a property because I was trying to get into this investor stuff. So I'd bought the shit box down South side, oklahoma city, and cause this is a property you buy and I bought it and I fricking couldn't rent it out. I'm like, oh my God, everything I'm learning this isn't working. There's something I'm learning. Well, I went to one of the classes. They're like you could sell or finance it. So I turned around and sold that thing, seller finance put 20 grand in my pocket and was making like three or $400 net cashflow a month with zero maintenance and I was like I'm getting it, now it's clicking, it's starting to click, okay, and I'm clicking, it's starting to click, okay. I'm saying so as a. If I would have kept it as a rental, I would have got what?

Speaker 2: 1:39:45

a thousand dollars deposit and then a thousand dollars a month and maybe make two or three hundred bucks in cash flow and then have to pay for the maintenance.

Speaker 1: 1:39:48

Yeah, so I'd have made nothing, you know, okay. But when I saw their finance, did they put down 20 grand cash and I still had equity? And so I turned around and the interest payment was like, if you're going to finance, for me it's 10, 10%.

Speaker 2: 1:39:59

What protects you. If they stop paying, then you get the property goes back to you then. So it's a win-win.

Speaker 1: 1:40:03

I realized what the banks do. Absolutely. I started learning about the financing side.

Speaker 2: 1:40:07

So you're becoming your own little bank A hundred percent.

Speaker 1: 1:40:09

Okay, I have a lot of these properties now. Now, that's when I started to catch on, like, really the best thing you can learn as an investor this is where my mindset shift came from. It was the I started to learn about the financing side. I started to learn about money. I started to learn about debt. I started to learn all these things as a builder. I just would go to the bank and be like, hey, can I have a construction loan? I didn't know. I was like, oh, they're like we need plans, okay, oh, we need an estimate. Okay, I didn't know what I was doing. Bro will loan you on what types of loans? What lenders are there, what interest rates, what's the liability, what's an asset, how much equity, all these things. That's where I really learned and I feel like I went from like zero to a thousand miles an hour is once I understood the numbers, like the math behind the banking system and what you can and can't do legally, legally, and how things work for you.

Speaker 1: 1:41:05

Yep, anyways, let's go back. So I have the house, the big ass house. I'm in 980 000. I finally fucking sell it and I cash out. I take a hundred thousand dollars off the table and I go move into a rental house just to catch some air, and so we negotiated that during this period of time. The reason I went off on that tangent is because we had invested in that we're starting to move into being investors. Now I got smacked in the nuts pretty hard with that 2018 shit and I'm like I realize I need to learn more. So now we're like buying more property. We're doing more of what I just said.

Speaker 1: 1:41:32

I'm wanting to make the 20 grand on this shit box downtown yeah more than I care about being this big builder with a car with a cedar sign and an F-250 platinum. And so I started to be like, oh dude, all these builders are just robbing Peter to pay Paul and all living this glamorous lifestyle, but I don't know how much they're really making. And then these investors over here wearing flip flops and tank tops and nobody knows who they are, but they're loaded and they're literally living like freedom.

Speaker 1: 1:41:55

They don't have to be there. I don't have no client. I'm putting on a dog and pony show. Come into my office and sit at my freaking wood table. I was like fuck that bro. I never wanted that. I only got into business. I only got into building because of what? That's all I knew.

Speaker 2: 1:42:08

Yeah, cause that's how I grew up. But you took that and evolved it into the next I did.

Speaker 1: 1:42:14

I parlayed it for sure, cause they're like dude on the outside looking in they're like you built this building company. You have, like you have multiple lots. You're doing all these things, Got millions in the bank? Yeah, it's in their mind, right, and I'm like, dude, you guys don't understand. This is a shit show. Fuck this Like I'm going to go and buy these turds. You're going to call me a slumlord.

Speaker 2: 1:42:35

You, you bought. Oh, dude, I'm like oklahoma.

Speaker 1: 1:42:37

People like shitting in bathtubs because they turn their water off and then the house gets abandoned. Yeah, all sort of stuff. Dead fucking animals. One time we had one we bought and there was a snake cage that was broken and the snake was still in there and my property manager found it. I had crazy shit. Dead animals. Dude, like fucking people walk up dogs in their garage and bounce. It's fucked up. What? Yeah, we reported people. Yeah, tenants, oh hell, yeah, I'd be reporting.

Speaker 2: 1:43:00

Yeah, we'll smash people for that shit like why not just let the dog out?

Speaker 1: 1:43:04

exactly. They'll put them in the garage, they'll lock and I'm like dude, it's just in the winter, it's fucking cold bro, really cold in oklahoma, and summer is too hot. It would die. So it's they just people don't care, they just realize how horrible people are yeah, and how people live oh, bro, it's a whole nother deal.

Speaker 1: 1:43:18

Too many people. If you're going to like, when I'm talking about this was the entryway into investing and doing bigger stuff, was everybody's like, well, I couldn't do that. I couldn't have somebody tearing up my house. I'm like you got to detach your fucking thought process that it's your house. And then that's another reason people suck at investing at the beginning is because they think that everybody wants to live like them and it's like no, some people are just happy to have a home, oh, roof over their head, correct. And so it's like.

Speaker 1: 1:43:40

I did the math real quick. I really went from like the top 1% building for the top 1% of Oklahoma, right, the people that had the money to do $900,000 houses in 2016, 18, which is big houses, just for perspective. I know money's different now, no-transcript thought process, but what I realized is it was put really well to me if you have a triangle and the most expensive property, what I was building, these, these one-offs, are at the top of the pyramid. And then you have market shifts, you have economic times, you have 2008,. You have job letoffs. If you're in Oklahoma, you have an oil gas company that lets have a thousand people for sure, in a month. And so now you have a fricking paradigm shift, and so what happens is you want to shift to the category below. And so what I was like?

Speaker 1: 1:44:34

well, dude, I want to be on the bottom, I want to be on affordable housing, because in America, as we all know now we're all seeing there's a massive issue with affordable housing. It's unaffordable. So there's a there's a housing crisis that we will not be able to carve our way out of for the next 10 years because there's unaffordable and there's not a wage gap that's going to change it. And so I was like, well then, hell, I'm going to freaking, make sure that I'm solid and I'm going to buy property on the bottom, because everybody's going to be shifted down to that. And those people are happy to have a house, happy to have a rental, happy to have a yard, and these other people are going to walk away from the $950,000 house because they don't like the door color. You know what I mean. And so what do you want to do? Do you want to make money or do you want to entertain people? So I was like, fuck, that Seems like a no brainer. It was a no brainer it literally was when I started making the money like that and I was still taking projects through. You guys that you hear the burn, the boats burn, the boats go all in on this. Well, yeah, and sometimes it's necessary, but then there's other times where it's like you got to make a lap move. You got to make like a transition. Especially I'm shutting the building company down Like I'm no building for you anymore. We're halfway done. Here's the keys. I'm just finishing the projects, not taking on anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:45:43

And the real epiphany for me was when we lived in the rental. We learned some investing stuff. I told you guys downstairs and I only learned this for those classes, like an under and learning investing. We bought, we. We lived in a rental for two years. I bought. The guy wanted to kick us out three months before our next build was going to be. So this is the last house we lived in in Oklahoma before we moved to Cali. I was building this three-story house, baller house, pool, four-car garage, pretty cool in an older neighborhood, full custom plans. I have it on YouTube. If you guys ever go to my YouTube page, you can watch the video of the last house I had in Oklahoma. I designed everything and so this house is going to be done in about three months. We're still living in this rental waiting to move into that until it's done.

Speaker 1: 1:46:22

I can't finish the project that fast and so the guy's like dude, I want out, I want to sell the house Like you guys are gonna have to move out. And so I offered him from my new knowledge that I'd spent money on. I offered him I said I'll buy the house cash 300,000, went and raise the 300,000 because I'm building my house. I'm written raise the 300,000, pay the dude cash. Turn around After, right before we moved to the new house, I put it on the market and I sold the house for 395. So we made 95 grand. I paid the investor a few bucks that I took the money from, so he's happy to make four or five, 10, whatever. It was like 10 grand in three months on his money. And I was like this is how it's done, bro.

Speaker 2: 1:46:58

No, and I was like this is how it's done, bro. No shit.

Speaker 1: 1:46:59

So then it's starting to click. It's starting to click even more Now. It's like making enough of an impact that I'm like I don't even need these projects, I don't need these other jobs anymore. But I was still fearful of changing because I grew up in construction. Man, there's like something about being so scared of seeing something else conceptualize For sure.

Speaker 2: 1:47:16

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:47:17

Like I want you guys to understand like there was times like I did not know. We're old enough, dude. I did not know how, not to how to work from home. I mean people like, oh, I work from home, but like I can do that now. But I thought I had to go to an office. I felt like I physically needed to go check jobs. Like I did not, if I'm not leaving the home and getting up at 6 AM.

Speaker 2: 1:47:36

I'm not working. You're not a man Like it's not, it's like a program thing.

Speaker 1: 1:47:40

So I had a tough time trying to be like oh dude, you can get on your laptop, find properties, make a phone call, send somebody over there and you can do these things. Like it was a lot for me to shift, bro. Yeah, for sure Money, so I had to grow a lot personally rewiring and I had to grow a lot mentally like financial education, Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:47:56

Which our education system does nothing to help. No, I didn't learn any of this.

Speaker 1: 1:48:00

And I even asked my dad, I think, because he helped me on that very first house, right, the one I built and so I asked him I'm like, hey, I'm doing all this and that and, like you know, this is what I'm doing. And I was like why didn't you, why don't you do this someone? This is so cool. I'm telling him the numbers I'm making on this shit and he's like I just don't know anything about it, that that's not what I know, like he's an expert in his realm.

Speaker 2: 1:48:19

And so most people just never click that.

Speaker 1: 1:48:21

They can do something.

Speaker 2: 1:48:22

That's a whole school mentality. They just Nope, this is what I've done my whole life, this is what we're going to do, Like. And then I have a buddy that works with his dad and he's he's at, he's our age trying on this Nope. And he just this is what we do, is what we've done for generations. He's like that's great, but times have changed.

Speaker 1: 1:48:44

And he, his biggest battle right now is trying to convince his dad it doesn't need to be this and only this only advice for him, man is like what I did is I just said, okay, I mean, who am I to tell him what to better show them? For sure, I'm just going to have to do it. So that's what I did.

Speaker 2: 1:48:59

Well, good for you, dude.

Speaker 1: 1:49:00

Yeah, so we started doing investing. Well, where's one time that my wife was like she got her license and we're doing off market deals, we're doing real estate investing. She bought a property, ended up flipping it and selling the paper Like we bought the property, took title to it and then sold it in 30 days and she made like 25 grand on that deal. And I'm and I'm over here, I was doing still doing some remodels like higher end remodels, four hundred thousand dollar remodels, just the remodel and I was like dude, I'm only gonna make x amount of dollars at the end of this year with these people, you know, doing 10 because they were friends year and then having a warranty, this shit.

Speaker 1: 1:49:32

And she made 25 fucking grand in 30 days. I'm like I'm never fucking doing this again. So I didn't, I just stopped. I all my projects, started doing full-time real estate investing, and then that compounded and then I got. I was like people were asking me like, oh, dude, how are you doing this? Cause they were. People are watching. People are very funny, like. I had friends that came out later being like years later yeah, years later being like man. I really thought you were crazy. You stopped building. You had that big company. You made a name for yourself.

Speaker 1: 1:49:57

I got on the board of directors at central oklahoma home builder association at fucking 31. Really, I was like moving and grooving in the building community. Yeah, I had a good reputation. You know, I come from construction. People knew my dad in there and other people I'd worked for, yeah, and so I got on the board of directors really young. So they're like dude, he's gonna walk away from all that and he's gonna go be an investor and do these shitty houses or whatever. We're gonna watch. You know they're just wait, right, waiting. Well, nobody cheers for the success.

Speaker 2: 1:50:22

They always cheer for the failure. That's what they're watching for.

Speaker 1: 1:50:25

They are they are like we're watching for you. I really want to like people watch. They don't want it to work because they did well. What it will do is it'll challenge their thought process and that it was possible it makes it uncomfortable.

Speaker 2: 1:50:35

Yes, yes, it's crazy how the mind thinks like that and it is, and it's like if you win I can't win, and that's a mindset.

Speaker 1: 1:50:43

That's what I preach about a lot now. Like it's not true at all, like we can all win. Just because your buddy makes a billion doesn't mean you can't make a billion dollars or whatever it is yeah, or why can't you ask for a mentorship?

Speaker 2: 1:50:52

or why can't you just watch and take his brain, instead of hating and just scrolling and watching from a distance in the shadows? Hey, dude, you're making moves. This is, this is my biggest thing with men and pride. Like dude, I see you and you're crushing life and I'm like yo, come out here, let's talk about it yeah, that's how it should be, that's how I, that's how I am still to this day.

Speaker 2: 1:51:09

That's where I feel you're gonna make so much, so much more progress in life. It doesn't even need to be business-wise, just knowledge-wise, but the majority, you know. I want to speak for vets on this side of thing, and I say it all the time because nobody hates a successful vet more than a veteran. Yeah, and it's the mindset. And I look at guys. I'm like this dude's a marine, like fuck, crushing it bro, like how let's have a conversation about this.

Speaker 1: 1:51:33

I was the same, but I was also never that guy either, and I don't think you were either. I was never shitting on anybody. I was always like how how'd you do that? If I walked into the gym and I see you fucking mentioned 500 pounds, I'm like how'd you do?

Speaker 2: 1:51:43

that every one of my workout partners, like zach, my boy I work out with now, giant ass gorilla. I'm like yo, how'd you do that?

Speaker 1: 1:51:50

I want to do that yeah, what?

Speaker 2: 1:51:52

how do I hit the exam? You know, and it was never. It's not the fuck. Oh, I'm bigger than this dude. Oh no, he's the. He doesn't know what he's doing. It's like, just ask, just ask a question, swallow the pride, whatever it may be, and just have a conversation and see what it opens up to you. You might, we might, sit down and you tell me everything.

Speaker 1: 1:52:07

I'd be like fuck that, Not for me.

Speaker 2: 1:52:14

Yeah, a hundred percent, that's okay. You'll learn what you do want to do, what you don't want this and then you're building connections. That's how business is really done.

Speaker 1: 1:52:20

It real dude, real business with real people, genuine people. And I have to say like shout out to my, my mentors before they were called mentors or anybody but like the guy that pushed me off to do the thing. He slapped me in the head basically and was like, dude, you can do it. And I was like it wasn't my dad. You know what I learned from that guy and another guy that I like still hold as very good friends, and like one dropped out of high school and owned a landscaping company Cause he started mowing lawns. And the other one dropped out of high school, didn't even get a GED and started in real estate, and that's the one that was going to back me on that first deal.

Speaker 1: 1:52:51

Some of the most successful people they're like but they were the fucking first people to always be like oh dude, here's my CPA's number, oh, here's my this number. They were so fucking volunteering, like whatever I needed. And he was like oh, do whatever you need, dude. Yeah, I talked to this guy. Oh, don't do that. Oh, how do you hire? Well, I usually do this. Right now I'm figuring out this. I'm like thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:53:08

Knowledge is power. Man Ask, but I asked for it. Questions. But what's the worst is when they ask questions and they never actually take action on it. They never implement any of it. That's got to be the frustrating part as a coach I watch these guys.

Speaker 1: 1:53:26

I have a couple buddies that are coach. We both know t-cab. Yeah, that's how we probably connected.

Speaker 2: 1:53:28

Yeah yeah, and so I love that dude. But you know, I was talking to him and I think that was one of my questions offline that I asked him like dude, you're mentoring all these dudes and like helping him, like what's the what's the toughest part?

Speaker 1: 1:53:37

he's like then these motherfuckers don't take action I have people have put ten thousand dollars in one of my education programs, my real estate education, specifically when I started it, and they literally will not show up to like the third call. And I'm like reaching out to them because that's the type of person I'm like, hey, man, you invested in this like I want you to win, especially when I didn't have as big of a community. Like I'm like, hey, bro, like I want you to win. Like here you, you gave me this money like I want you to win. And they're like oh man, I'm sorry, I just got busy. You know this is going on.

Speaker 2: 1:54:05

I'm like this is crazy I want you to succeed more than me but you know what?

Speaker 1: 1:54:08

I realized that before people handed me a dollar, I friends were asking me that's what I was going to get out in a minute. The rest of the story is like how I got into the coaching in the first place was because one I got a coach before. It was a mainstream guru, bullshit thing. Like I went, I hired the, I went to that program, okay, okay. So those were basically coaches. When they call coaches, right.

Speaker 1: 1:54:26

Basically, those were as a mentorship program. Yeah, that's how I learned real estate investing. So when I am telling people to invest in themselves, I literally have done it myself. You know, I put my money where my mouth is. I stretched those two credit cards out. I had just to do the $52,000 per program. That was my first investment.

Speaker 1: 1:54:44

But my thought process was this, bro, I was like I got a VA. What is it Like? You get your VA school benefits right, I can go back to school again. I still have stuff on there. Even though I got an associate's. I could go back and get a bachelor's. I a bachelor's. I don't want to do that. I'm already making money as a builder.

Speaker 1: 1:55:02

I'm doing something and I was like well, why don't I? What's, what's that's not going to teach me to be wealthy? This isn't going to teach me to be wealthy. What's going to teach me wealthy? What's going to teach me? How will I learn? Unless I ask these questions, at least try. So I was like fuck it, I'm putting my money down. And I learned it.

Speaker 1: 1:55:23

And then what happened was to go back to the scenario, like from stop being a builder to being an investor, to making bigger money and changing my life and understanding all this. Guess who comes out of the woodwork? All of your friends. They all want to learn that type of stuff, but they're never willing to do the work, and when you give away all the sauce for free, they're the ones that don't do anything. How many times have you told friends how to lift? Have you told friends how to eat? Have you told friends how to do all these things? Start a podcast, all of it. You could go. I could say bam, can you put together a spreadsheet in a loom video and tell me all about your podcast? And you would be like sick, yeah, it's gonna be so fun. And then, if I don't go do it, you're gonna be like goddamn, what a fucking idiot. Like why did I waste my time?

Speaker 1: 1:55:49

And so that's what happened is like I had buddies that were at my crossfit gym. I had buddies that were at other gyms I would go to, or friends in general. Dude, can we go to lunch? Can we get a coffee? How do we do this? And I'm excited because I want people to win. That's the worst part.

Speaker 1: 1:56:02

Yeah, my mentor one of my mentors said it best to me at the beginning, the guy that pushed me to buy that first lot. Yeah, I said why I had this small mind mindset and some of y'all watching this, if you've made this far, you fucking need to shift it. Because if you have this, I was like so why do you want me to be a real estate investor? Wouldn't I be competing against you? Or you wouldn't be a builder, wouldn't I be competing against you? It was my mindset Cause he was a real estate guy and he was like bro, I like we hang out, we're friends at the gym, we go to dinner together. Like why would I not want you to win, like I want?

Speaker 1: 1:56:43

I changed my frame of mind and so that's how I felt with my friends. I'm like dude, I'll give you everything, I'll pour it. Here's the banks, here's the lenders, here's how you do it. Oh, you need some uh contracts. You need it. You know, whatever you need, I got you buy this house, this house over here. I'm not gonna buy this one, but this is a good one for you to look at, good starter at it yeah, go check it out.

Speaker 1: 1:56:59

They don't do anything, nothing. No action, bro. All mind, I'm too busy, I'm too this, I'm too bad. All the excuses, I don't think people are. There's so many people are smarter than me. I'll speak for myself, like, but they're just not fucking willing to do what it takes. Bro, if there's anything that I learned that I would transition back to saying that I learned from the marine corps, and who I am is like I'm just willing not to quit. Like, so that's, that's the. Or look like an idiot who cares, you're like what if you go bankrupt?

Speaker 1: 1:57:27

I'm like, yeah, go bankrupt, then I'll do it again.

Speaker 2: 1:57:29

Twice as fast yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:57:30

One of those guys that I'm talking about went bankrupt and I said dude, were you not scared? What happened? I actually made more money in the next two years after I got bankrupt because I learned what not to do and I was like, well, that totally obliterated my fears. Yeah, that's how it works, but how do you expect to get rich or how do you expect to do anything if you never even try or even apply?

Speaker 2: 1:57:51

The thing that I have realized, and I don't know if you've picked up on it yet when I'm talking to these dudes like I'm talking wealth picked up on, yeah, when I'm talking to these dudes like I'm talking wealth like 500 million worth, big in the bank, like legit money, guys, they're just as fucking dumb as we are. I know they are dumb from the bottom to the top. They just what worked. They never stopped, yep, they never quit, they never gave up. They have this weird, sick mindset where it becomes an obsession to overcome whatever it was they're. They don't know the secrets. That's the secret sauce is never quitting because I'll sit down with these guys and I'm sitting at the table with them. I'll leave and be like how the fuck, how'd you get here?

Speaker 1: 1:58:34

well, because this guy's dumb as shit because what he made him wealthy or got him his money four years ago may not work at all right now. That's what's crazy. He cannot literally give you any specific, narrow advice. It's like I promise this will work.

Speaker 2: 1:58:46

Except for whatever you're digging into, don't stop, don't stop, don't stop.

Speaker 1: 1:58:50

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:58:52

And that's all it takes. But we get so frustrated, you get down because numbers aren't moving, you don't think that the growth is where it should be. And then you start that little cancer in your head and then it starts festering and then all of a sudden something shiny comes new and you're like ooh, I'm going to go this way, we're going to pivot. But you're only year two in year three, which you haven't even started the momentum yet, that doesn't come until year five plus, true, you know, until that but I feel most people just give up because it sucks, bro, like it's hard.

Speaker 2: 1:59:23

It sucks being an entrepreneur. We've been in the philanthropy world with the charity world for a long dude. It fucking sucks, bro, like this whole glamorized tiktok, instagram like I'm an entrepreneur.

Speaker 1: 1:59:33

Look at this and look what I got. Hey, there's one thing I realized through this, though, and you can attest to this, is there's a lot of entrepreneurs there. There's a lot of fucking people that pretend to play business and I'm like you look big, you drive this car, you do this stuff. I noticed that with the real estate investing space, and there was a lot of younger crowd that was learning the stuff, and they're all entrepreneurs. They would play business. Real estate agents are another one. They're all playing business. Like I did 50 million in transactions last year 'm like okay, but 50 million you gave your broker's fee was three percent. You did this. Like what'd you really? Oh, 75 000. Congratulations. You made 75 this year. Shut the fuck up exactly. Be real. But don't be like oh, I made 50 million in front of some rented car. Like is what people assume, you know 100, but there's so many watch or fake preneurs bro it is just.

Speaker 2: 2:00:15

but those are the ones that they want the life, but they, they won't dive in, they will not go all in, or go hard enough at it.

Speaker 1: 2:00:21

No way, no way, no way, cause it's hard, cause it's dude, it sucks. Yeah, I'd be crushing it for three or four years and be sucking wind, we should.

Speaker 2: 2:00:29

Let's shift this conversation to the real side of being an entrepreneur. Yeah, a hundred percent. I don't feel that enough people talk.

Speaker 1: 2:00:43

I talked about mine. I mean, I talked about like, literally during that period of time, like when I go back and I'm telling you, I'm selling that 980 000 house, like I'm sucking wind, like I'm going broke, like it's hard for me.

Speaker 2: 2:00:46

I'm barely making it by, but I needed that lesson. People are listening. Oh, you're selling a 900 000 house. He wasn't struggling. No, no, no, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1: 2:00:50

This is what people need to understand what you're carrying.

Speaker 2: 2:00:52

You don't see the loans. You're already a thousand percent. You're hemorrhaging shit everywhere, yeah. And then all of a sudden you look at your bank and you're like, bro, we fucking nothing. We gotta start selling guns or something like yeah, these bills, yeah, okay, we might need to call dad to like get carry, get a loan or pay me? Yeah, but that's the life we choose 100.

Speaker 1: 2:01:10

I would rather have that, though, bro freedom job freedom.

Speaker 2: 2:01:14

Yeah, I would rather know that I'm. I have no idea when the next paycheck is going to come. Yeah, I would rather live the life knowing that I'm. I have no idea when the next paycheck is going to come. Yeah, I would rather live the life knowing that I can do what? Go to the gym whenever the fuck I want. Yep, I can travel whenever I want. We're gonna. There's no price for that. There's no price for that. But that's the mindset that comes with the doubt, the fear, the questioning are we doing the right thing? When are we gonna pay? How are we gonna pay these bills next month? Like yo, we need to chill here, but my wife will check me all the time too, because we're in that phase right now.

Speaker 1: 2:01:46

You know you got to keep yourself from getting to that dark hole and I'm telling you right now that it doesn't ever go away like it will always come back, like there's times where you feel like you're on top of the moon and there's other times where you feel like you're freaking. It's over, bro. I went from zero.

Speaker 2: 2:01:57

I built a security company from zero to nine million in less than a year and two years later fucking walked from it all.

Speaker 1: 2:02:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:02:04

It started all over again and like dude. You know those days when you're just looking at your bank account, dude, and you're just printing money and you're like yeah, we're crushing it bro, and then a year later, you're like, uh, what we did?

Speaker 2: 2:02:21

Where did the money go? We gotta chill like, hey, we're gonna. We need to start titan. That's okay. That's being an entrepreneur. That's the reality of it that I feel a lot of these people don't talk about. But it also, when you get into it, that's what scares you away from it, because, especially if you're leaving a nine to five, you got a guaranteed paycheck. You're sitting in your little. That's the thing.

Speaker 1: 2:02:38

I'm miserable as fuck, I never had that right, like for the most part I'm. Technically, I had a job working for my dad, but other than that, I only told you yesterday, I think, that I worked for somebody else for three days out of my entire life and my dad being an entrepreneur after he went to college. Oh, this is a good example. He became an engineer, very smart guy, very practical too, because he grew up as the father that was blue collar, yeah, so he could use his hands, and he was formally educated. He got laid off when we moved to Oklahoma.

Speaker 1: 2:03:01

I talked about moving from Kansas to Oklahoma. Well, the reason we did is because my dad took a new job, got transferred there for it and then he freaking, gets laid off in the first nine months and that's what made him get into start his own construction company and my grandfather company too. So I come from my wife and I've talked about this, because a lot of people ask us these questions is like well, why was it? I think it may have been easier for us to to settle with the unknown, because our whole family has kind of had the unknowns see my kids with their race.

Speaker 1: 2:03:28

We know this life.

Speaker 2: 2:03:29

Yeah, my kids do not know what a nine to five job is correct.

Speaker 1: 2:03:33

Yeah, we've had them, but marine corps is the closest thing I had to a nine to five, and that was sure nine to five, but yeah yeah, I do not consider the military nine to five or working for my dad, but still it was like it was more than nine to five.

Speaker 2: 2:03:43

I can guarantee that but the fact that your, your kids, my kids, these, these children, that this is one of the benefits of raising children in an entrepreneur. They're gonna see you struggle, yep I, I saw it.

Speaker 1: 2:03:54

I grew up. My parents, my mom was doing the books. My dad would be like my mom. I remember mom telling us when we got he got laid off from his engineering job. She's like I regret telling you guys this, but we were young and she's like you know, we may not have like a big christmas. You might just be happy with what you get and I remember being like and I'm by all means, I didn't grow up poor.

Speaker 1: 2:04:10

I'm sure there's plenty of other people who have horrible times and come from nothing. I'm not saying that I did blah, blah, blah, we all entrepreneurs like I was like a good perspective. She was just like hey, you know, your dad lost his job. We're going to try to build, we're going to try to do this construction company thing, and the shit's going to be different for a little while it's chasing the dreams.

Speaker 2: 2:04:25

We're like kids okay no cool whatever. But then you, you don't appreciate it as a kid.

Speaker 1: 2:04:30

But now you look back and you're like, yeah, I get it now because totally we've all had to do it hey, we got it said something a second ago I wanted to touch on about like the you were sold a 980 000 house and like people may think, oh, you weren't struggling. But I want to put some shit in perspective because when I was going through those times, like mentally, as the leader of the household, having these two babies at home, having this new wife, I promised the world to and just put her in a house that we couldn't afford basically, yeah, I would I couldn't sleep. I mean, you know what I'm saying. Like waking up three in the morning, like fucking, why I I shouldn't be? It's like a work ethic we have from the Marines and probably genetics. But it's like what can I do to make money right now? Like I better get to the office and do something, send some emails or do something, because I'm sleeping is not an option at this point. If you can't, if you're worried. So I couldn't sleep. And sometimes I'd go do cardio and I'd listen to books. Um, I just go down the treadmill at the gym and I'd just be listening. I'm like something new, I need to start learning how to get myself out of this. Or I'd go to my office and just like I said yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:05:21

And what I realized, though, is like I had this epiphany and I always share this with everybody, and it's important. It's like so people, you've heard of Sears right, sears, this is okay. You've heard of Toys R Us. You've heard of Kmart. You've heard of Enron right, all these companies. These are multi-billion dollar operations at one point, or at least close to it, you know or multimillion dollar operations. Imagine being the CFO, or the COO, or the owner, if it's a private sector company, and then it crumbling like that and you're being responsible for 10,000 plus employees and paychecks. So if that stress is hard, then I'm over here crying.

Speaker 1: 2:05:57

I realized, like you can get really upset about a $10,000 problem, and then you'll get to a point where you have really, you have a hundred thousand dollar problem, then you have a million dollar problem and the a hundred million dollar problem, and that problem will always feel the same, because when you don't have any money, and you don't have and you're $10,000 problem. It's just what I thought about, bro. This is like one of these things that came to me. Call it, I mean, it's probably God Like and I was like okay, the only thing I can change in this aspect is like I can't guarantee that, if Austin becomes worth $500 million, that he doesn't go bankrupt.

Speaker 1: 2:06:32

You can't guarantee it and so, or something, or you're going to have a struggle. So the only thing you can change is you and how you process this and who you are. It goes back to that, and so if that's the case, then the money's going to be there, money's not going to be there, and it all feels the same. It will feel the same, the stress will feel the same, the success feels the same, and then, when you're like us, that's when you learn gratitude and you learn to be like. Oh my God, I got two beautiful daughters and a wife that loves me, and if we had to live in an rv, we would, and they would love you. You're like.

Speaker 2: 2:07:05

You know what time of our life, you know what fuck it because I ain't working for the fucking man, exactly that's. That's my biggest.

Speaker 1: 2:07:13

That's the thing for people to think about and apply, like to further to get through it, because it will, you know. Let's say we so we, so now we've met, let's make a company. We make a company, we do 200 million in it. We start crushing it, you know. But things go South Like. You know what I'm saying. It is what it is Like you're going to have to figure it out, so that feeling's not going to be any different. No, I agree.

Speaker 1: 2:07:37

So it's who you are, and people don't understand like you can go broke at being a multi-millionaire. Yeah, catch the wrong lawsuit. Certain things happen. Market shifts absolutely.

Speaker 2: 2:07:47

I'm trying to get a guy on right now, a local dude, badass guy Dude. He went from, he said anything he touched and we had dinner a while back, but he's like everything I touched turned into a golden egg. He's like everything I touched turned into a golden egg. He's like I was printing millions, millions.

Speaker 1: 2:08:08

We're fucking building like 10 000 square foot home overnight, lost everything, ends up living back at his parent-in-law's house. That's crazy. That's exactly my point built it all back. Yeah, it's all mindset but the only way he was able to build it all back is because he experienced it. Man, it's just like anything else, like if we learn to run or you learn to, you know shoot rifles the correct way, it's from doing it the wrong way at first. But we're just willing to be stupid at first, where people stop, is that first failure.

Speaker 1: 2:08:27

Oh yeah, because it's crippling or the first loss, most people's fear I had one of my mentors actually dove into this with me and because I did have a problem when I started making money, I didn't want to fail anymore. Right, you get fearful and that's where most people pull back and that's also what keeps them from breaking the next glass ceiling. But it's really what's truly there is like I'm not really scared of failing myself, and you're probably not either. Like really we're not scared of failing ourself. But what human nature does is we're actually scared of failing in front of other people. Like I'm not myself.

Speaker 1: 2:08:53

If nobody knows, like how many guys in here say they're going to go to this is just the most basic thing in the world. But then if they don't tell anybody, they're like, ah, no harm, no foul. We're crushing pizzas and we're doing our thing, and my wife didn't know. But when you put it out there, you're like, oh shit, I'm failing in front of everybody. I don't want to be that clown that said he was going to lose a hundred pounds because I'm overweight and that doesn't. But, and so most of the time human nature just keeps us we're fearful of failing in front of other people.

Speaker 1: 2:09:22

The perception, the tribal mentality, the human nature, because I mean, you would never care if you tried to shoot for a 500 pound bench. And then you're like ah man, I kept working for it, but I didn't make it no big deal. You'd go home the same way and be happy as a lark, yep, you know. But if you were on national TV and everybody's like oh Bam's going to hit the 500, you're like fail. You're like damn, that really fucking suck. You know what I mean. So rewiring that.

Speaker 2: 2:09:45

Yeah, 100%. You have to rewire that so we have a lot of new listeners. I've probably mentioned this in the release but, like Wild, chaos was a failed company at first. Launched with a buddy of mine, went south. We just had two different life paths literally going opposite direction. And I let it sit dormant, dude, and I took it personal because it ripped and if we would have kept it going now, bro, we'd be Killing it, we'd be set. But it failed Like okay, what can you do?

Speaker 1: 2:10:14

Move on.

Speaker 2: 2:10:15

Who fucking who? Yeah, I would rather say I have failed companies company. I have failed companies company. I have failed trying than sitting in your desk, never even tried.

Speaker 1: 2:10:26

I'm more fearful of being on my deathbed and saying that I didn't try than I am fucking failing 100,000 times and I would rather have my kids watch me fail and try and fail and try and then one sticks.

Speaker 2: 2:10:40

They see that and I mean our kids are doing it with our kids right now, like we could fail this, we could fail our big, and our kids are failing with us. But at this, they're learning though, they're learning, you're learning, they're learning everything and they get to watch and they get to see that it's like I as a and this is just my, my point of view on it I would rather my kids see me failing and trying rather than just being complacent and going to my nine to five job, coming home miserable, bitching about it, not doing anything to change your life. That's why I got out of the Marine Corps. I fucking hated it. What's super important, dude?

Speaker 1: 2:11:17

is like what you just said, and this is what people need to need to write down when you're watching. This is like when you go and do that, though, what's the most important for your kids to watch is they see you fail, but they see you get back up.

Speaker 2: 2:11:26

Yes, and it's not even a big deal Exactly. It's not Nobody cares yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:11:31

Because if you failed and you went back to corporate.

Speaker 2: 2:11:33

you gave up, like or if you fail and do this, you get. That's the worst. That's that I would dude I would rather lose it.

Speaker 1: 2:11:40

Well, I'm doing it for my family. And here's the other thing, though I want to tell everybody this not everybody needs to be an entrepreneur.

Speaker 1: 2:11:45

No, because this is not for everybody not everybody's great people to work for us, work with us as well, absolutely so but just don't flap your mouth about how you want freedom and you want to do all these things at the same time. Ask for permission to get off work like you have to understand the difference. Yeah, you know, it's okay work for a company that you want to be a part of. We all need team players like fire teams in the marine corps, special operations groups.

Speaker 2: 2:12:04

It's not just ran by one person can run the hive correct 100, so it's okay for that.

Speaker 1: 2:12:08

But don't say I want to go get wealthier, I want to have this version of success and then be the person that never applies you just have to accept either you're cool being a worker for your whole entire life or you want to go and be an entrepreneur I know those guys.

Speaker 2: 2:12:18

They're good and I love those dudes too. I'm not throwing shade on it.

Speaker 1: 2:12:21

I don't know, that's what I just want. To make sure it's important, it's like no good for you.

Speaker 2: 2:12:25

I've I've tried to bring buddies on and this is not for them. It's too stressful, it's the, it is super stressful structure. I mean dude, I think we've said it probably five times like being an entrepreneur, it sucks, it sucks. And then you get these high highs. You're like fucking crushing. Then you yep, we gotta pivot it. That's where and I it's hard to explain because the people are gonna be like bro, you're sitting here saying being an entrepreneur sucks, it's stressful, you're, you're anxiety, you don't know when you're gonna pay your bills.

Speaker 1: 2:12:52

I wouldn't change it for the world because I have freedom yes, you have freedom, and I don't think you're ever, you'll ever learn yourself any other way. No, you never learn who you really are and what you really believe and challenge your own thought processes unless you do that.

Speaker 2: 2:13:04

And not everybody's built for it. It's okay, but it's awesome. But if you have that drive and you're sitting there at your nine to five listen to this podcast, you're like bro, this sucks Start something, start something, and that's what I.

Speaker 1: 2:13:16

That's moving on to what I do now. Like what I'm doing, too. I still own a bunch of real estate. I still have a service business in Oklahoma, um, and I've gotten myself that's why I was able to move to California pretty much work virtual. I still have most of my operations in Oklahoma when it comes to real estate and business, um, and now I started to do the only online space.

Speaker 1: 2:13:32

So those friends that wouldn't that would take all my information and not do anything, other people that didn't know me when I started putting myself on Instagram and stuff like that, what I would be like, dude, I'm willing to pay to learn this stuff. And I was like, okay, well, I paid to learn this stuff, I'm going to charge you too, cause it's going to make you have a financial. You're going to cut a check to be invested in this, like I did, cause I would have not shown up if it were free to the real estate thing, real estate. And then it got even further and I started to realize like real estate is important. There's very tactical information.

Speaker 1: 2:14:05

I still teach people this stuff, but what's even more important in what we've created now is the foundation of what we talked about, like the, the personal confidence that had I had to get to in order to even take that first step, which is kind of what we were talking about a minute ago. Like you have to have some confidence in yourself. If you don't believe in anything else about yourself your physical condition, you know, your mental, your mindset, with it all then you're never going to be successful. With the information, the tactical information, and and and truly, there's a lot of people made a lot of money but are still very insecure people.

Speaker 2: 2:14:37

A lot of people have gotten lucky making money.

Speaker 1: 2:14:39

Yeah, or they're just good.

Speaker 1: 2:14:41

There's some people that are just good at making money and I had some guys I joined some high elite entrepreneur groups through over these period of times that I told you guys and I and it was crazy to me that I would see these guys doing 20, 30, $50 million at these tables and stuff we were very open and transparent and at the time you could just tell that they're just, they're insecure, they're very insecure because what happens is that they're standing on one vertical of their life and they're like I've never been cool, I've never been popular, I've never been good looking, I've always been out of shape, but I make a fuck ton of money and that's what I get my attention for, so I stand on that and then then then they start falling apart with everything it for sure.

Speaker 1: 2:15:21

And then it needs to. We need to figure out, like, what's going to get you there, and I would never trade who I am and what I've been through or the confidence that I have as a man that walked into those rooms, um, for any amount of money. Because I know the guys that had a lot of money but are still very inconfident, weak, disgusting people. So that's what we build now. Is I just target specifically to men? I work directly with them, uh, in our community doing what?

Speaker 2: 2:15:43

explain what?

Speaker 1: 2:15:44

so we build the guy up from the ground up, really yeah. So we're going physical fitness, we're doing fucking getting a routine down, get the confidence, get into it, getting in shape, and then we're also adding a financial aspect, because that's all I talk about a lot of times anyway how important is physical fitness as somebody that's wanting to change their life becoming the first step.

Speaker 1: 2:16:02

It was the first step for me. I met my mentors at the gym. I met the guys that were doing more at the gym, but here's the thing I'd tell everybody like I just said a second ago, you don't have to be fit to get rich, that's obvious. So, all these guys, but you cannot deny from the nature of man, the human nature of man like would you rather be the dude with a six pack that walks out of whatever dream home you have, whatever pool you have in your backyard, whatever life you have, whatever restaurant it is, or would you want to be the dude that's freaking 60 pounds overweight coming out of the Lambo Like you? Just, no guy will ever say that they want to be that guy, but they'll deny it because they'll hold the money in front of your face, and the truth is that's not what they really want. No, deep down, because it's a lot harder to do that sometimes than it is to make money. There's more multimillionaires in this world than there are people that are in shape, and then there's all. There's the other. Here's the other dichotomy with this, bro, I just heard that it's a true fact. There's more millionaires and there are people with six pack, though.

Speaker 1: 2:16:56

So I had two perspectives. I was an entrepreneur group over here, multimillionaires. I barely made the threshold to get into the group you had to be. You know, at the time that I got in, you had to be doing a gross million dollars in your business, and so I barely made it in there. I'm now.

Speaker 1: 2:17:19

I'm cooking and cruising CrossFit gym, hanging out with dudes. Some of them were going to the games, some of them were doing all these things, and what was mind-blowing, bro, is what I would go hang out with these guys. You know what the entrepreneurs would say to me oh, what are you going to go? Are you going to hang out with us this weekend or whatever, or are you going to go to the gym? They talk shit, but of what we were trying to work on, oh, I need to drop 30 pounds. I need to drop 20 pounds.

Speaker 1: 2:17:40

So I'm like, okay, those dudes talk shit on me going to the gym because I'm, because I'm in better shape than anybody in the room, for sure. And then over here I would show up in a 150 000 vehicle to crossfit and they'd be like, oh, austin's trying to shove his money in our face. So you got the fit guys that are fucking insecure about money because they're a goddamn retarded cop, and then they just want to feel they want to because they never tried. Yep, no offense to cops, love cops, but my point is like that they you didn't try, no you didn't try.

Speaker 2: 2:18:04

They're complacent where they're complacent.

Speaker 1: 2:18:05

And so what do they do? They stand on how in shape they are, but I have no money. And then these people stand on how much money they have. So I was like dude. Whoever sold men that you can't have both? That's the biggest fucking lie you know.

Speaker 2: 2:18:16

It's the biggest and it comes down to self confidence.

Speaker 1: 2:18:18

It does man, that's what I said a second ago like that's where I'm going with it is like I would never give up the self confidence of myself walking into those rooms and seeing the look on their face, the entrepreneurs that are doing 50 million and just, you know, you've seen the feeling. You're in shape, like. You've seen people that just, and there's how big's your company, and you're like this, like I don't know, fuck, it's all right, like I don't really care, I don't have to prove myself to you love those.

Speaker 2: 2:18:42

You see it, you could feel it.

Speaker 1: 2:18:44

Those dudes, oh, that's the same concept like there's jacked as fuck dudes at the gym all the time you know, and then you roll up in a car or something, or you do well and they're like, they're kind of like you know, judgy.

Speaker 1: 2:18:56

It's just, people always want to insult their weaknesses, but what I'm telling you guys, and what I help people do, is I show them that they don't have to have those. You just made a choice, yeah, you made a choice that I can have this or this, and I don't know who the fuck sold anybody on that.

Speaker 2: 2:19:06

You have to have this or this, you don't do you feel a lot of guys just get so engulfed in the the mindset that they put everything else to the side, like it's the money, money, money, money money yes. And then they're not worrying about their physical. Then you, before you know it, you're five years into your business and you're 60, 70 pounds overweight. Yup, and then you're like fuck.

Speaker 1: 2:19:24

Then there's a dude in the middle too. The dude in the middle, it's just like us in some aspects. You know he says this guy in the middle, I've ran want to be the example of your kid to your kids watching the NFL game every Sunday, eating chips and drinking beer, being fat and also being broke. Like is that the example you're showing your kids. Like you, as a father, are showing your kids to be entrepreneurs. Like you're inspiring them. You're doing the thing you know.

Speaker 1: 2:19:53

And it's like this guy's over here justifying his position in life. Because he's a father, so he dedicates his time to them. This guy's over here fit and saying he doesn't need money. He's making fun of money people. This guy's over here making money and he says he doesn't need to be either. Oh my god damn. Why did you guys decide to select this avatar? Because you, you can literally work on all verticals for sure we're playing video games back in the day, bro. I don't want the character that's good at one thing and bad at all of them all the guys got the believe that.

Speaker 1: 2:20:16

Yeah, that's a good way to believe that Like you wouldn't want the guy that's like, oh, he's really strong, but he can't run. You know what I'm saying? Like, but why? But what people do is they'll justify their weaknesses or the things. It's really not even their weaknesses, it's the. It's the things that they don't want to fail at. Because if you're really good at business and then you don't want to look like an idiot over here at the gym, right, you don't. And if you're really good at the gym, you don't want to be. It's what you talked about a minute ago. You just never had a problem saying, hey, man, how'd you do this?

Speaker 2: 2:20:44

yeah, neither, never you neither.

Speaker 1: 2:20:46

When guys rolled up in a car at cars and coffee, I'd be like bro, what do you do? Like?

Speaker 2: 2:20:51

that's sick you know I think half the dudes that have been on my podcast from the gym, because I see them like yo, what do you do exactly? Well, how are you here? At 12 in the afternoon? You just rolled up in a fucking mercedes like what do you do? What do you? I want to know what you do instead, I feel the norm now, because with social media everybody's so quick to hate. They're like this fucking guy flexing oh look at this, look at this idiot, rinse that, but it's that yeah whatever they think leases it.

Speaker 2: 2:21:14

I don't care if he does, he can afford the lease on it.

Speaker 1: 2:21:16

That's another thing. That's hilarious, right? I always told that lease I'm like 2,800 bucks or whatever. I was like, dude, I would be so rich if I ran in my cars. I'm like, do you know how much it would cost to rent a lambo a day? Like 2,500 bucks, dude. That time's 30. I was like, fuck that, that's a 50,000 a month payment. You guys are stupid minds not being so poor in your mind. That's it's poor mind. Take that math out.

Speaker 2: 2:21:35

You know, really think what you're saying I feel a lot of it, the if your mind automatically goes to the negative and I and I we might have talked about the. The video that's been going around and this is where you have poor mindset is a mindset. And that dude's in that supercar at a gas station and he's walking out and the woman that works at the gas station holding that trash bag and she goes you don't even have tags on your plate, yeah, and he's like out of everything that she saw here, looking for the things she could get you with one negative. You know, instead of beautiful car man, what do you do for a living? Exactly?

Speaker 2: 2:22:09

it is yes, exactly and how many conversations could open up into something else absolutely dude.

Speaker 1: 2:22:14

You never know what opportunities are there. You never know what somebody's done or gone through or who they are.

Speaker 2: 2:22:17

You know it's so sad. Man, I got into a group for a while. I I ended up with my security company and, dude, I was on top of it. You know how it is being young, just printing money, yeah, yeah, and then you lose. It took me a while to recover because I took it personal, because I put so much, I was so passionate about that, yeah, and then that's what shifted me into the organization, the charity world, and then all the little things that we were doing. But it's like now it's like, okay, get everything lined out, get everything back on track, yeah, and but it's, you could I could see how people could get into that. Woe is me mindset. But then, at the same time, it's like then that's where you're stuck, that that that's your ceiling is. Wherever you're, whatever your mind is limiting you to the growth. Wise for failing.

Speaker 2: 2:23:00

It's it doesn't even scare me, honestly, like it sucks yeah but you can't even like fear it, because it's part of the process 100 and then, if you fail, why do we expect?

Speaker 1: 2:23:13

to be good at any right out of the gates, bro, because social media you're seeing, but even before social media like, subconsciously, as men yeah, I think it's worse now because you never see failures I tell people this I'm like dude, how'd you learn to swim?

Speaker 1: 2:23:25

oh, I don't know. I was a kid boy. Yeah, you fucking started looking like an idiot and right, how'd you learn to ride a bike, right, did you? So why would you not? Why? This is my thing with. The finance side is like why would you not ever invest in learning how to fucking?

Speaker 2: 2:23:38

make more money or at least understand the concept.

Speaker 1: 2:23:41

Even if you're going to keep a job forever, at least understand more. Yeah, like you know the fucking name of the quarterback that won this X game or what's, who's playing this weekend or who's fighting this weekend. You know those guys, but you don't even know anything about debt. And yet you have fucking house or your real estate or fucking business, bro.

Speaker 2: 2:24:01

I love that you said that, because I look at those dudes like we all know, the, the fantasy football guys. You can tell me every stat in number on every player on your fantasy football team. You have all of this time, but your broke ass won't take the time to sit there and learn day trading exactly. Learn crypto, learn stocks, learn something you're investing. All this time is staring at a screen, learning some, watching another man run around the field betting on, betting on his stats making fucking money.

Speaker 1: 2:24:27

Dude, that guy's making money wow bro, you won.

Speaker 2: 2:24:30

You won your fantasy football league this week like yeah but if you would have taken that guy, yeah, yeah and I'm not throwing shade on sports people- I am, I am, I'm always. Yeah, you know, it doesn't make sense, because I look at those guys like no, I'm not. I'm not even sitting down on a sunday and the only time I ever watch sports when my, my little ones loves just sitting and watching, I'm like fuck.

Speaker 1: 2:24:49

I get invited to the padres game a couple times. It was fun. I'm with my family like I'll go there.

Speaker 2: 2:24:52

I want to enjoy it but I can't tell you a stat of a single athlete in any sport yeah, any sport. But these dudes, they have it, but then they sit there and they bitch about their bosses. They hate going to work, but they don't invest any time to change it. No, but they'll invest all the time in the world into that little fantasy football league. Why don't you take that time and energy and just pick something that you're kind of passionate about or something that might interest you? Hey, you know what? All of this time and energy, me learning tom brady's fucking stats that I can rip off, no questions asked, I'm gonna sit down and start watching some courses on youtube that provide everything that you can ever need. Yep, but they won't do it. Yep 100, and they just go through the cycle over and over and over and over again yep, before you know it, they're like oh fuck, fucking awesome.

Speaker 2: 2:25:37

Yeah, he rents his car, must be nice, must be nice.

Speaker 1: 2:25:41

Must be nice man.

Speaker 2: 2:25:43

I am on the verge. I think we should make this a movement. If people say must be nice, that you can get slapped for it 100%, you should be able to get slapped for telling somebody must be nice. Yeah, because you don't ever know where they come from. It's the most insulting shit.

Speaker 1: 2:25:54

That to me is it to take away all of the, what they've done.

Speaker 2: 2:25:57

your is discrediting it is yep, must be what's nice the times that we've been. I was counting quarters with my wife and pennies yeah, to pay lights.

Speaker 1: 2:26:07

Granted, we chose this life so it is nice, it is fucking nice, it is nice.

Speaker 2: 2:26:13

You're damn right, it is nice that I get to do this with my kids. Yep, so I chose this life yep, it is nice, you know what it is nice, but that's the mindset. Absolutely dude, wouldn't have it in either way. Instead of good for you, how long did that?

Speaker 1: 2:26:25

take how hard. What not everybody says must be nice. Right, there's a lot of people. It's a lot, though, but it is, you hear it a lot for sure hear it a lot, you know sitting there.

Speaker 2: 2:26:33

Well, tell me about this. Oh that, well, that must be nice, like it. That's one of those icks for me where I just want to turn and be like yeah, it is fucking nice, bro. Yep, especially when they have their dead end, they hate their life and then it's supposed to be noise it is nice and then that's the reason I want.

Speaker 1: 2:26:49

And people get get it twisted too. They think like, oh, dude, if you have nice cars or you do, or you have a big house or whatever, like he's just materialistic, he doesn't get it. And even christians will go down this route. And all this bullshit and the reality is like no, the reason I wanted to make money in the first place is because I realized that it was actually a tangible thing that could help me gain more freedom.

Speaker 2: 2:27:05

Because I didn't want to be told what to do. Freedom.

Speaker 1: 2:27:07

Only reason. And then the people I think that make the bigger money like crazy money. They were playing a game to win, like the Elon's, like these guys are doing crazy numbers. They're just obsessed with continuing to gamble and play the game and they want to win the game and they're just competitive in a non-physical manner. That's cool. Good for them. But I'm here to take the money and to use it for experiences so that I can have the life that I choose to have with the people I choose to have it with and when I want and how I want.

Speaker 2: 2:27:31

That's the only reason I got money in the first place. That is the ultimate goal, or that is the ultimate definition to me of success.

Speaker 1: 2:27:36

And if it can provide value to other people, if it can help people out, then it's even more in line. You know what I mean. So whether it's housing or it's education, or it's just being an example to our own families and other people, that's all that matters.

Speaker 2: 2:27:48

Speaking of families. If you're equal, talking about yours?

Speaker 1: 2:27:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:27:52

It's like being a girl dad.

Speaker 1: 2:27:54

Dude, it's awesome, I love it. I mean, it's nothing like. It's nothing like. I don't know anything different, dude, I don't have a, I don't have sons. So, being a girl that I mean, it's the, it's such a responsibility, Like something shifted in me when I realized that I had daughters. It was like I don't think I would have been the same, I think I needed to have daughters, and then God put daughters in my life. Facts Probably would have been harder on a son out of the gates, but I got girls and I was like, oh, different mindset. And I just shifted my wife's like you changed and that was the best way ever, and so I was like it was awesome.

Speaker 2: 2:28:24

That's awesome. I love hearing it. What's been the hardest part of being a girl, dad, dude so far? You don't even have the teenagers.

Speaker 1: 2:28:31

yet, honestly, the hardest part is just me being a dude and not understanding some of the emotional volatility. That's a great answer.

Speaker 2: 2:28:40

I'm trying to understand it, but I'm also like bro, why did you flip?

Speaker 1: 2:28:43

out about this stuff Like what is wrong that?

Speaker 2: 2:28:45

is a great answer. Yeah, that one. That was a battle for a while but I just let it ride.

Speaker 1: 2:28:50

I don't get like wound up about at the beginning, though, and my girls started to get their own, like I tell people, I'm like it was easier when they're babies. There's babies feed them, poop them. They're pooping, they're cleaning. You know you're eating, that's it, okay, cool, sleep them yeah nothing.

Speaker 2: 2:29:01

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, just do the thing and uh.

Speaker 1: 2:29:04

But when they become pre-teens like where mine are now, you know, or toddlers even, and they're gonna start getting mouths you're like dude, why are you so hateful, bro? Because as a boy I was never hateful. I look back and I'm like my dad said to do something, I would do it. I wasn't like mad about anything, really like that, until I got hormones at 17 and act like an idiot. But like before that, I was like my dad would be like pissed off. I'm like shit, I shut my mouth. I got pissed off at my daughters and they're like running their mouth. They're like doing the you know. So just like damn y'all are wild bro.

Speaker 1: 2:29:34

It is bad Earlier on. And also, you know, we're always told from the girls are more mature than boys are. We're always told that growing up and I think it's true for sure going through different things earlier, thinking differently, they're processing it differently mindset and I was like oh, I just want to ramp my bike over my friend you got cinder blocks of your house, yeah, I got a, but that's got plywood out back.

Speaker 1: 2:29:54

Yeah, I'm like I might tell my wife I'm like dude, you don't understand. Like I never even processed these things, no like, and they're processing it to a deep level and I'm like we're crying it honestly helps me understand my wife better too.

Speaker 2: 2:30:06

Right like it really does.

Speaker 1: 2:30:07

It really does man, because say what's another thing that's hard you can attest to this the attention. I am the only man in the house. My daughters want the attention from me. They're like, dad, you're gonna snuggle with me, dad, you're gonna do this for me, and then my wife's all over here like, oh no, you're. You know, I want your attention and I'm like I don't have enough of me. And it's a great feeling to be wanted that much by by by your. You know the people in your family, but it's also a responsibility. That's like, oh, dude, that's hard. And then doing it equally, doing it equally and doing it differently with your wife versus your kids right, like your wife, every different type of love, then your kids need different types of love, and your daughters specifically.

Speaker 1: 2:30:44

Right, and so it's. It's, I think, where most dads fuck up that have daughters and I've seen it over and over like more old school mindset, or even dads that now is like they don't. They're just not open and talk to them. I can tell you are like I have no problem. They want to talk about things that are going on in their life. I'll just tell them the truth and I'll tell my perspectives and I'm not embarrassed to talk about anything, whether it's sex, whether this like I'm not even getting into that yet, but they have questions. So far, you know, keep it age appropriate.

Speaker 1: 2:31:09

Yeah, the other day I can say this on camera, that's funny. My other day, when her daughter's come out, she's like dad. I think my boobs growing.

Speaker 2: 2:31:15

And I was like fuck.

Speaker 1: 2:31:16

I was like oh yeah, what makes you think that?

Speaker 1: 2:31:20

And uh, I'm not awkward with it really honestly, like I'm not awkward with it really honestly, like I'm not, I don't know why. I just cool with it, whatever. I'm like, damn, what makes you think that? And she's like, yeah, you know, one of my nipples hurts. And I was like, alright, well, go talk to your mom, ask your mom to look at it and see if it solves it. Maybe it is, I said, and then I turned it around just because, like I said, I'm super transparent. I think it's cool. I think it's kind of like that bond I always want them to have, yes, with me. I always want them to talk about this. I don't want to feel awkward because I'm a man.

Speaker 1: 2:31:48

I want them to understand that that's how men really talk, like an appropriate way and I was like maybe you're just gonna grow one boob and she was like really, I was like no, I'm just kidding with you, he's like nine bro, but we have that kind of relationship. She was like dad, like yeah they don't even think of that as like a sinful bad talk. No, they're like. I'm just talking to my dad, no different talking to my mom about. They're not ashamed of it, it's not embarrassing. Because I'm not making it a shameful deal, no, it's not a shameful deal, bro.

Speaker 2: 2:32:12

I think a lot of dads really mess up there.

Speaker 1: 2:32:14

They weird out on the whole like Girls. Oh, it's a girl parts and boy parts child.

Speaker 2: 2:32:26

If somebody says that to me. I do not respect that shit. I'm like I do not. I'm like I didn't do shit diapers at all.

Speaker 1: 2:32:29

I just you escaped the whole route fuck dude.

Speaker 2: 2:32:32

I'd call the wife, like how far out are you? But uh, yeah, I just dude you as a as a girl dad. You have to put all of your weirdness, insecurities, awkward, that all goes away if you want to have that relationship. And then if, if you're making it weird, then you're putting it off to your daughter, like, oh, I can't go to my dad over this or this is this maybe, maybe I should. I can't like. Let's go to mom and said I don't ever want I don't want that my oldest is very modest and prude.

Speaker 2: 2:33:01

It's, there's girls, yeah, yeah, and you know my conversation with her and the youngest. I'm like, listen, I'm here for everything, I'm gonna hear it all anyways.

Speaker 1: 2:33:09

But there are girl things, especially when they start getting those teenage years and everything starts with your mom, and I'm like just, I don't have any experience in this, I can't help you.

Speaker 2: 2:33:17

I gotta say yeah I can't help you on certain things. Everything else, you need me to murder a motherfucker. Let's go baby.

Speaker 1: 2:33:22

Yeah, got you, but periods I don't know all that shit, dude, it'll be awkward in our house. So my, I told you before, like, my wife had cervical cancer, so she had a partial hysterectomy, yeah, everything else is still in there, but she just can't have kids and so she doesn't have periods, and so my daughters have never grown up with her having period. You know, it's going to be a weird learning curve because, like, mom's never done this, yeah, because they don't know. Yeah, so she's learning too.

Speaker 2: 2:33:50

That's just part of it. That's just part of being a dad, and that's what comes with the title.

Speaker 1: 2:33:53

We potentially looked at having another kid right. Like I'm going through the whole process where it's a long process to do through. I'm like so we're going to have a brother, but it's going to be in that woman and it's going to be yours and moms. I'm nine. What the fuck are you talking about? You know what I'm saying. Like so I'm like, how do you explain this, bro? And then how? And then that leads down the rabbit hole of like well then, how do?

Speaker 2: 2:34:29

is that how all babies are made? And you're like, oh man, let's go inside and eat some dinner. Dinner's ready. Yeah, it's part of being a dad. It is man, and it's the greatest. It's the greatest people don't.

Speaker 1: 2:34:35

I saw this with my father and I. I wish he would discuss this more with my sister, but I watch. He did this with me too. He literally, once we hit our teen years, he kind of just shut it, shut off. He just was dad. He wasn't like hey, son, let's have a birds and the bees talk. Hey, you should do this. Don't be this like.

Speaker 1: 2:34:49

He was very like old school, like my dad was the best dad in the world. When we were, when we were little kids, my dad would take us to the job side sports games. My dad got me in all sorts of my dad like literally was amazing. But when we got to our own independent era where we were challenging stuff, he really pulled back. And my mom they've had this discussion with us now that we're grown adults. But my dad and my mom like my mom was like you kind of left me like high and dry, even though they're still married. My dad's like, oh, I'm gonna go work like, and my mom would be like having to like deal with austin you know, you got caught with a girl in your car the other night. Like you know half the things, these conversations that were more mature and my dad's like.

Speaker 2: 2:35:26

I don't want to have those conversations I think that was a, that was a generational thing it's like you don't talk about it anymore. They didn't know how to process that because their parents were. They came from their generation.

Speaker 1: 2:35:35

Ass whooped, yes get out of the house.

Speaker 2: 2:35:37

Yeah, yeah yeah, they're trying to get out as fast as possible because I I I would say the exact same. I had an my parents still together incredible childhood. My dad was super involved. He worked out of town a lot, but when I became that, getting to that age, I mean, dude, our sex talk I'll never forget this. We went shooting. I knew it was coming, you know.

Speaker 1: 2:35:56

Yeah, yeah, I got the girlfriend Usually about two years too late.

Speaker 2: 2:35:59

Facts and he takes me on this dirt. We're going up the creek and we're shooting and he's like listen, son, I know we gotta have the talk if I I wanted to be like dad. I've already been having sex for like two years you know, I figured it out. Thanks for the advice yeah, I got it, dad, I got dialed and he's like you know, don't put your peepee and her peepee and everything will be fine, and I'm dude.

Speaker 1: 2:36:23

I remember going that's your sex talk, dude. My sex talk was based around religion.

Speaker 2: 2:36:28

It was like you know, it's a it's you know you need to do it until you're married. Oh, that's all mama's do.

Speaker 1: 2:36:32

Mama say you don't need to do it till you're married, and I was like, okay, that left me high and dry. So that's why, at 17, I'm like, oh, dude, I'm doing it all.

Speaker 2: 2:36:39

Y'all don't know shit but now it's like, hey, I'm gonna teach you your morals, I'm gonna teach you your values. This is what we're going to stand on, we're gonna these are going to be our goal. Like it's so different now. Like that, I look back. I mean I remember telling my wife about I'm like, because we were talking years ago like, yeah, this was my dad's, my dad's sex talk two years too late, don't put your peeve in her peeve and everything will be fine. I'm like, okay, I look back at it. I'm like, like, dad, yeah, that's probably the one area where we should have been ahead of the game on, I mean, everything else you nailed. But but it was that era. Like as soon as we started getting that testosterone, I felt like my dad would just hey, I gotta spread my wings.

Speaker 1: 2:37:14

And fly and so, but as a father now of the daughters you asked about it so I think also full circle is like growing with them, knowing that they're going to be different next month and next year and stuff. So I I enjoy that you can expect them. I think that's kind of what our dads expect. Oh, they're our kids and up. Nope, he's like I'll talk to him when he's 30 no, yeah, it's like growing with them.

Speaker 1: 2:37:32

Dude, you know they're gonna go through changes and be different and have different experiences through this world, and so then they're gonna be. Then we need to grow with that too. Because I'm a new parent. My mom put it in perspective way down the road she goes you know, I've never been a parent of a 38 year old. I was like fuck, that's true, like I've never. You know, I've never been a parent of a 10 year old. Now, next year I will. I've never been a parent of an 11 year old, you know. So it's like. She's like so it made me realize having parents now that are in their more retirement era and then my, my kids. It's like, oh, we're always going to be learning. Like they've never had kids that lived in california. They never had kids that moved, or a son that was in the marine corps. I know that was really hard on my mom. Yeah, I wanted to get all it. So like 100 it broke her.

Speaker 1: 2:38:09

I didn't know she held it together, but like it was a big deal I didn't it was like she told me years later and I was like well, now I know why.

Speaker 1: 2:38:15

Of course I'm a parent, you know, terrifying. Yeah, she tried to like have serious talks with me. She was like uh, so if, like austin, I just wanted to have this talk, my mom's really transparent. She was more so there when it came to that type of stuff and she's like so if something happens to you when you're on overseas, like how are we gonna handle this? Like if you get fucking arms blown off, if you like you know, like you make it back and you're still alive, but you may be fucked up, yeah, and I was like, ah, ma'am, if I get my legs blown off, I'll just get like fucking go go, gadget legs or some shit. I like joked it off and she was like laughed it off. But that us last out in san diego, she's like no, I was like serious, like because I wanted to like know my mom's like overthinking with that stuff and I'm like I see why now, at 18, 19, I was like I don't give a fuck, I'll be good, but I die you know my time, it's my time.

Speaker 1: 2:38:59

Yeah, that's right, my dick is punched.

Speaker 2: 2:39:00

My dick is punched, I took it, you know now I'm like oh my god, don't care for riding your bike. Yeah, I know, helmet on, you know so bad.

Speaker 1: 2:39:10

We live in this weird era where, as parents, we know and the world is so gross out there now, we're attached to the world and we're like there's fucking predators, there's all these bad people, there's people getting snatched up in San Diego or in Texas that go to Tijuana, they get taken to mexico and they're like trafficking and at the same time we also want our kids to have some kind of like 1995 experience and we want them to be able to do things and we, you know it's just a fucked up deal it's tough man, like you know.

Speaker 2: 2:39:33

It's in. I'm with you because we grew. We were the last generation to grow up without a phone, so we had all the freedoms. We had the rolodex dude. I remember the little dial fuck yeah, my grandma had the dial. Yeah, yeah, yeah like all that shit, and then now we talked to people was aol chat dog, dial up bro your handle.

Speaker 1: 2:39:52

You can be like fake handle and make up names all the noises it would make sending back and forth yeah I had to go to my buddy's house for it. I didn't even talk to chicks when you didn't want to talk to him in person. Hey, hey, what's up?

Speaker 2: 2:40:03

yeah, yeah it was the original snap. Yeah, dude, that's hilarious, I forgot about that shit. But but that's how we grew up and like, but I feel you, though, because now I all these kids are just they're, they're just put in a bubble because there's all these predators. You got all the watchdog apps and it shows you all your predators in your neighborhood and you're going through and looking and much too much dude, and it's like, okay, now you hear about these kids, like I think I just heard a thing where in Florida they just found like 60 missing kids. Yeah, and nobody's saying anything.

Speaker 2: 2:40:33

So it's out there. But I mean. So then we're in this torn position where I want my kids to have the freedom that I had growing up, where we would be on the river for two days and not even have a cell phone to call our parents Exactly for two days, and not even have a cell phone to call our parents exactly, and we just show back up at home and like I would be how was it, bro? We sent her to church camp and we're losing our shit now, yeah, and we can track her yeah yeah, times have changed and it's like we.

Speaker 2: 2:40:56

So it's so hard, as a parent, to try to find that happy medium.

Speaker 1: 2:41:00

Happy medium where you want your kids to be able to experience freedom, you want them to have that little taste, but at the same time, dude, the world is scary I mean just just my wife and I both agreed and I mean I would love to hear a take on this, but we just don't even allow our kids to stay the night with somebody else. No, but like that was something we did all the time. You know what I'm saying. Like I'll be at your house.

Speaker 1: 2:41:17

Like my eyes are bam sounds again, you know what I mean, like just call me like 64, tell my eyes bleed and then we go ride our bikes somewhere. I don't know, you know so, yes, now they have.

Speaker 2: 2:41:27

Uh. What do they call them now? A kid, instead of sleepovers like uh?

Speaker 1: 2:41:31

spendovers or like no late overs, late overs but the same shit will happen. It's like the older brother or the weird game or the other stuff like that's where it comes from, or the dad sucks though, bro, now, because I mean now it's well, I think what we've realized, and this is goes.

Speaker 1: 2:41:45

I mean, we're gonna fucking cook up three hours here, but my point is like wrap it up the it's, it goes back to what I think one of the biggest issues is that we have in the united states is that we've lost our foundational morals and values, because you can't trust somebody not saying that somebody back then wouldn't have done bad things, but there was still an air of morals and values. You didn't worry about all the things that we neighbors bro, did?

Speaker 2: 2:42:05

we just met a neighbor the other day and we've been here for almost a decade like exactly?

Speaker 2: 2:42:08

exactly why now people look and like I I mean, we got these kids moving. I hope they don't watch this on the podcast but, um, these kids moving behind us and I'm out there and like they're in the back, they won't even acknowledge me and I'm like what's up? Like I have to like hey and like, say it like three or four times because I just I want to know who these young kids are. Like, oh, I got here's a squash, here's a honeycomb. Like here's lots of bread. That's just who we are as neighbors. But they won't even acknowledge it and like they come out back and they just like stare at the ground. I'm like that those days are done. And I'm sure there's communities that are super tight. I know there are, you know we, where everybody knows everybody, the golf cart communities pros and cons of that too, bro. Yeah, so I'm cool. My my little space.

Speaker 2: 2:42:53

Yeah, that's the same, but it's like dude yeah, with the, this country has lost morals, value. I mean, look what we're fighting over, yeah, look look what we're divided the dumbest shit, craziest things that we never thought we would even be challenged and now we're challenging them and we're sitting. We're sitting back like why, why is this a thing?

Speaker 1: 2:43:04

exactly, exactly. And the question is is it really a thing or is it just? It's just, it's just the media arm so big that we think it's a thing it's all propaganda. I think so, but at all. It's there, right, but the propaganda turns from propaganda to reality but why are we so focused on trump doing something?

Speaker 2: 2:43:20

but we're. We don't even hear about 60 children that were found in a fucking trench under the ground in this tunnel and why and what was the case and how did that where?

Speaker 2: 2:43:28

do they come from? Where does 60 kids just pop up and submit and they said them a huge chunk of them were pregnant. What under the age of 18? And a lot of these kids were pregnant. They find these like why is this not national news? Why isn't that what we're coming together as a country on? But instead everything, every little thing that trump does, or biden dead or obama, that doesn't matter. Yeah, they're pushing something. It's all propaganda, man, like they they get us to focus on.

Speaker 1: 2:43:54

They've been divide and conquer we thought we knew what we I think we just were blissfully blind for a long time in the 90s I think that's all it was is we finally are waking up, and the waking up to the reality of of it is not as hunky-dory right.

Speaker 2: 2:44:06

It's not the 1980s well, and I think that we're waking. The problem of everybody waking up now is everybody's waking up. In whatever algorithm, you're fed 100 and now. Instead of all of us waking up as a country, being like man, we should come together and change. This government is killing us, our government's against us. Our government doesn't love your children.

Speaker 2: 2:44:25

Our government is destroying the, the, the common home of of of a co-parenting yep household, everybody under one roof. They're dividing and instead of that, we're focused where we got transgender screaming in the streets, we got women screaming for rights to be able to murder babies in the womb and dude. It's all this shit and you see this, and it's like this is what the greatest country in the world, this is what we're bitching over, it's why aren't?

Speaker 2: 2:44:51

we bitching over the fucking 35 tax. Yeah, why are we not coming together? As this is how stupid we are as a nation, I feel, oh it's horrible bro, we are willing to fight for illegal immigrants. That came, I'm 100 for immigration. We fought for this, those rights agreed, I'm sure. For immigration we've.

Speaker 1: 2:45:07

Yeah, we fought for this, those rights agreed, I'm sure you agree with me and the marine corps full of a lot of hispanics, bro a lot and a lot.

Speaker 2: 2:45:15

We had guys in our platoon that were trying to get their green card and join the marine corps and slap them and those are badass dudes. I respect it, right, respect that here we are protesting, burning down cities for to allow illegals, which we could see.

Speaker 2: 2:45:28

All the statistics from around the world how it doesn't work, oh it's going but instead, why aren't we protesting in these masses and doing the violence that these motherfuckers are doing over an illegal for our taxes a good question for the money that you work for, because we're just so acclimated to it, we're so comfortable but then it's all the media tells you that's wrong, and then this is what we need to be bitch over that's what it is you you don't think. Right now, if the media turn the script and we're like taxes, taxes, we're being everybody raped yeah oh bro, we would be burning establishments to the ground.

Speaker 1: 2:46:01

It's too easy to manipulate the population honestly and that's so.

Speaker 2: 2:46:05

This is the stage I'm at in my life where I watch this and I'm like this is what you're, this is what you're bitching over. Yeah, I can't align with you. No, not politically wise, it's just in general, like you're worried about that you realize what's actually happening.

Speaker 1: 2:46:18

The real thing is they're like boiling a frog. Dude, you've heard this theory of boiling a frog, right? Yeah, so if you put a frog in a pot and then it's, you throw the frog into the boiling water, the frog will jump right out. If you put a frog into cold water and then you turn the heat on and you boil it slowly, the frog won't jump out and it'll die and burn itself in there. And so what we're doing is we're essentially boiling a frog slowly.

Speaker 1: 2:46:39

And so it stays in there and you don't jump out, because it's never painful enough to make you get right out.

Speaker 2: 2:46:44

But if you go from zero to boiling, you're fucking bam, it's jumping out.

Speaker 1: 2:46:48

But if you're in there it's like oh, it's just getting a little warmer, we'll just get a little warmer, it's just a little warm. Next thing you know you're cooked. It's a perfect way to put it. That's exactly what happens.

Speaker 2: 2:46:55

That's what's happened to us, yeah this is society we're comfortable, we're fat, we're lazy tax.

Speaker 1: 2:46:59

Well, you know what? At least it's not this. And they said it's for good things. Yeah, well, that's 15 tax. Well, it's for good things. And this and that, well, it's 20. You see, I'm saying so. It's constantly something else. It's like think about why all these things get passed and people will root for them and they don't understand how bills really work. No, and so when bills go through, they'll only tell you what it's good for.

Speaker 1: 2:47:16

They're like oh well, everybody should be able to bake bread in their house, you know, and do their thing and be an entrepreneur. So this bill that we're passing is allowing people to do that without certain regulations. But attached to that bill is 15 other fucking things that allow some horrid shit to happen and somebody else to make money off of the backs of others. And they don't understand that. They think it's like oh no, it's just this bill, so we he's must be a good guy.

Speaker 2: 2:47:37

It's just what he's saying it's scary man, it's bullshit, it's and it's sad to watch, especially when you start. Your mind starts thinking like that because we, you also think different, being in like an entrepreneur mindset. Yeah, you're forced to, you have to think different. Oh fuck, taxes, the tariffs are going to affect this, that's getting imported, everything, everything is affected. So that's when I feel a lot of business men, all in a certain way, because your mind has to look at things every, not oh, all right, honey, here's my check from this week. Oh, they took out 480 dollars in taxes. Yeah, sucks, and they just go about their business. But then now, the economy.

Speaker 2: 2:48:09

The economy, you know oh, all right, honey, here's my check from this week. Oh, they took out $480 in taxes. Yeah, sucks, and they just go about their business. But then now-. The economy, you know, oh, trump's economy, biden's economy. It's always something Dude, that's all they say. But when you're grinding for every dollar and every penny, you're like fuck tax. Okay, I got to write this off. I mean, there's a bunch of loopholes that help you, but that's what comes with that mindset of working for yourself.

Speaker 1: 2:48:27

That's why you can easily smell the dumb ass goons in the comments on Instagram or any of the videos that you post and they're like oh, they know it all. They talk trash and all this, but you're like, you've never been an entrepreneur, you've never done your own taxes, you don't anything about business and you don't know anything about this stuff.

Speaker 2: 2:48:40

You're you're told and it's freaking crazy it is so well dude, I appreciate the conversation absolutely this is great. I you were. Only I knew I don't exactly. I just wanted to have this conversation. It's great, I guess, before we finish up, uh, what, what's, what? Do you got cooking anything?

Speaker 1: 2:48:59

yeah, dude. So that's what I'm doing. My objective is to really build the foundation of men. Like I said, I taught a lot of people and people have made a lot of money learning to real estate specifically. But but what would happen is people would sign up and work with me for real estate and then I would realize on our calls that this guy was needing marriage counseling, this guy was needing like to lose weight, this guy was needing to move out from his divorce relationship or whatever, or like even sometimes people would sign up and they'd be like moving out of their parents' house and they'd be at 30 years old and I'm like you thought you were going to go get into real estate investing, but you haven't even moved out of your mom's house Like I wouldn't know that going in, that just spend the money and get in.

Speaker 1: 2:49:30

And so what I'm saying is I realized that, like the biggest problem and the biggest hole we have is something that we talked about pretty much the whole podcast, which is men need to step up and be leaders in all facets, and that they can have it all, but it starts with themselves. And so that's what I built and it's called the Apex Group and I'm building the community right now, and so if you guys are interested in the community, it's austinhancockcom or you can hit me on Instagram at austinhancock1 or any of my other socials, bro, and that's I'm more passionate about it because I can teach you how to make money in real estate. I can teach you how to do these as a man. It's infinitely. It like spreads, like a cancer in a good way, and then things change for them in all of the realms of their life that's the best way to put it spreads like cancer in a good way once that fire starts and it just catches one of my good buddies that I was in the Marine Corps with.

Speaker 1: 2:50:19

He's my driver, but he jumped in the program and he freaking, went from 300 pound cop in Oklahoma and he's like 5' eight bro, 300 pound police officer in Podunk Oklahoma making 50,000 a year. Never did anything else since we got out. He was a cop. He did that. Got huge sons, play football, eats the you know the whole Oklahoma diet. Basically I got him in it and he dropped 75 pounds. And, dude, not only this, he sent me a text the other day. This almost made me to tears. He tears, he literally was like bro, I just want to thank you so much. It's not just about me losing weight and helping me out with all that stuff, but it was also about like my boys have lost 15 plus pounds a piece because they're just like because they're watching little football boys.

Speaker 1: 2:50:58

He goes and my wife is walking and getting on a diet now and he goes and and this is what's even more important he goes. That's the same for me, for my, because he's like dude. He's one of the guys that when I was in the car with my parents, that I was like crying. I'm like dude. He was my rack mate in iraq, yeah and uh. Yeah he goes. I started a business and I don't think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna quit in the next year of what I'm doing.

Speaker 2: 2:51:17

He's like it like compounds and I'm like that's what I wish everybody fucking knew.

Speaker 1: 2:51:21

And so I'm like passionate about that because like, yeah, sure I can. You know, 40 grand on on real estate, that's cool, I can teach you that. And at the end of the day I'm just going to get bored. I mean, it is what it is, but if you can teach someone to like change their life in that direction, bro, that's the ultimate, that's why I get goosebumps?

Speaker 2: 2:51:37

because we've lived it, yes, exactly, you know how it feels. And then the fact that you can explain somebody in the process of it, like no bullshit goosebumps, bro, like like you can see the hair standing on my arms because you know what that feels like. And then, as the man of the house, he's now feeling good. His kids are watching him.

Speaker 1: 2:51:54

My sons go to the gym with me. Now he goes, he goes. He even said this in the in his text. I can show this to anybody. He literally says I'm not riding their ass at all. He goes. It's amazing what happens when the man of the house steps up and becomes the example. He goes. I did not say a word or force anybody else to do anything, but everybody started following along and I said I know, that's why it's so fucking important for people to really get that.

Speaker 2: 2:52:15

Your wife is watching, your children are watching.

Speaker 1: 2:52:17

How many. This is the reason I started this. I know it's fucking all the way almost the den, but this is super important, bro. Bro is do you know how many guys sit and tell their wives every fucking night some bullshit pillow talk about how they're going to change their lives, they're going to get in the house, they're going to do the car, they're going to quit the job one day, they're going to make it, and then they wake up and repeat the same fucking day for the next fucking 45, 50 years. That's the reason she doesn't want you to spend money on a program. That's the reason she doesn't want you to do anything. That's the reason she doesn't trust you to go hunting with your boys because you, you have done nothing but fucking lie to her the entire time you've been married. Baby, we're gonna be millionaires and we're gonna do it one day. I'm just gonna figure it out every fucking night.

Speaker 1: 2:52:53

She's heard you say this. Every december she hears you talk about losing weight, when guess what? I wouldn't believe you either. I wouldn't believe you either. Would you believe you? Because you haven't done. You don't believe you, you don't. And you tell her this stuff and fucking, 10 years down the road she's seen the same repeat rerun.

Speaker 1: 2:53:11

That's what's sad and it only takes such little things and so your kids, and they're embarrassed, bro, like they don't even know it yet, but they're embarrassed I heard a guy say and I I'm, I truly believe this that your children will figure out who you really are they, oh yeah, do we not evaluate our parents? Just now on this podcast, talking about it?

Speaker 2: 2:53:29

Like we look back. You can sit and play the act as some alpha dude in your home.

Speaker 1: 2:53:34

Some bro vet that got out. Talk about your time in the Marine Corps. Going back to what you said, it becomes nothing.

Speaker 2: 2:53:40

But your kids will eventually get to the point where they're going to start looking at, going to start looking at other other successful people males, females, whatever it may be. But your kids will figure out who you truly are and if you're some, if you lie to yourself and you you're constantly trying to validate something and right, right, and I'm going to do this one day. They're going to grow up one day and be like damn dude. Dad always talked about it.

Speaker 1: 2:54:02

He never was about it.

Speaker 2: 2:54:03

And that goes back to my statement. I would rather have my kids watch me fail and figure it out and get back on my feet and fail again, and fail again, and then we might strike something, or something might ride for a little bit, whatever it may be. My dad just never watching that. You just can't stop, man I can't stop that guy it's and it's sad dude.

Speaker 2: 2:54:22

I see it with dads all the time and I'm like you want to be that dad that comes home, cracks a beer need my time and crushes oh I need my nightcap.

Speaker 1: 2:54:31

Yeah, all the time.

Speaker 2: 2:54:32

That's the example that you're setting for your kids. Instead of when they're getting up in the morning, you're walking in from the gym.

Speaker 1: 2:54:38

Yep, exactly Exactly what I'm doing.

Speaker 2: 2:54:41

You know how nice it is, and I'm, my daughters will lay on me and they'll be like, oh my God, dad you're ours, a hundred percent. You're bigger than every dad I've ever met. You know how that feels.

Speaker 1: 2:54:49

One time my daughter woke up. Yeah, it feels amazing. Dude, you're their hero, you're the superhero. And it's not fake because they're young, it's because it's real. You realize that you'll be that way for a while.

Speaker 2: 2:54:59

You ask my 11 year old right now. I've told her that I could lift the house my whole entire life.

Speaker 1: 2:55:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:55:04

Yeah, whole life. Hell, yeah, it's a super. She's telling her friends, my dad can lift the house. I'm like, oh, we got to go down to the, but she's little, you know. Yeah, but it's just because that's how you, that's how your children look at you.

Speaker 1: 2:55:19

You are the most incredible thing in their world would not want. Why would you not want to teach your kids how to make more money and to be have a better life for themselves, and how to also how to feed themselves without getting fat? And giving them crippling, fricking insecurities? Like, why would you not? And the best way you can do it is to be an example.

Speaker 1: 2:55:37

Like, if my girls ever say, oh, I'm getting fat, I'll be like, well, you know how to solve it, so don't fucking talk to me about it. You know what I'm saying. Like okay, and I'd be like, well, you're not, you're not. Of course I'm not trying to do that, but I'm also not going to sugarcoat shit if they really are. I'll be like, hey, let's go move our bodies. You know, let's move our bodies. You should stop eating this every night, or whatever. And then I guess you're right, like, give them the tools to solve the problem, but don't like you have to show them first. You have to first the example. Have you ever seen the dads that like, want their kids to be like some sports star, but then themselves are a fat piece of shit every day? It drives me crazy every day. Who are you to talk about anything? Who?

Speaker 2: 2:56:09

are you to? You can make a lot of money one day.

Speaker 1: 2:56:11

Jimmy, shut the fuck up, bro. You haven't done anything. Who are you to tell them that nothing? You've done nothing. Like you know, your opinion is invalid 100 that's where it goes back to.

Speaker 2: 2:56:20

Your kids will figure out who you are. A thousand percent they're gonna, they will, they're gonna know exactly the type of dad you were. Yep, and that terrified me, for like same.

Speaker 1: 2:56:29

Like kids, I want my kids to figure out who I am it's something we talked about in the truck earlier too, or I think yesterday, and I was like, well, there is no way I'm gonna cheat on my wife because my daughters would murder me. You know what I'm saying, like the dude, just to have the repercussions of that, knowing that my dad was a huge sleazy piece of shit and left my mom even though we had a great life Like I ain't, you ain't never living that down bro.

Speaker 2: 2:56:50

Here I am teaching everything that I'm teaching my daughter.

Speaker 1: 2:56:52

Everything you say goes right out the window when it happens.

Speaker 2: 2:56:54

You're invalid at this point, completely Invalid. I love it, dude. I think that's a perfect see a father, an entrepreneur, a veteran, that's out living and thriving.

Speaker 2: 2:57:02

That's what puts a smile on my face. I root for every single person that I see, especially veterans that are doing it, because it's so easy for us to be this statistic, this disabled vet, whatever we want to pick after. That goes for law enforcement, firefighters, whatever it may be. You're the prime example of changing your identity, getting your life on track, no matter what the hurdles may be. Just don't stop and then that it's. It works, it does work, it'll. Everything pans out and the people know the fuck. I'm homeless on the streets. You just quit. Yeah, you stopped, you gave up. You just can't. Like I said earlier, I've known billionaires that are fucking idiots, but they just never stopped. That's it. And there they are, and so it's just how bad. Do you want it? It's not going to be there overnight, but you're a perfect success story. We're still moving, baby, 100%.

Speaker 2: 2:58:02

I know we ain't there yet you know how it is, and you're still writing your own script, but I appreciate the conversation, man, this was great. This is the shit that people need here. Especially men need to hear this, so anybody reaching out needs to.

Speaker 2: 2:58:13

We'll get all that tagged for you yes, please um, I I appreciate the conversation and we'll definitely be sending some people your way. I know we've had some other guys on that have. It's helped them quite a bit. But this is great, man. I I appreciate your time. This is why I'll do this. I just love a genuine conversation and get to know people hell yeah, bro, thanks dude, of course I appreciate you sick dude. I'm on the fucking dot man three hours on the dot see how fast it goes. It does go so fast.