#92 - SEER School To Spiritual Warfare: An Apache Pilot’s Stand Against Mandates, Corruption, And The Darkside of Religious Culture w/DJ Searcy

The first time he lifted an Apache off the ground, it felt like piloting a floating bus. The first time he said “no” to what he believed was an unlawful mandate, it felt like stepping into a different kind of combat. In this candid, high-velocity conversation, a National Guard Apache pilot walks us through SEER school realities, gunnery exhilaration, and the boredom of a deployment constrained by a peace deal that tied hands while allies bled. Then the fight comes home: policy-by-whisper, moving goalposts, and a refusal to file for exemptions because conscience, oath, and regulation mattered more than convenience.

To watch the intensity of this entire episode, the full episode is here: https://youtu.be/Vbp61FnTQHA

When leaders wouldn’t put groundings in writing and mental health became a pretext, he documented everything and spoke out. The video went viral not because it was loud, but because it was clear. We unpack the blowback that never came from the public, the board that’s coming anyway, and the question every service member must answer: who are you accountable to when orders and integrity collide?

From there we shift into faith and institutions. He separates belief in Christ and original texts from corporate religion, calling out secrecy, money incentives, and ever-shifting rules as un-Christlike. No barbs for sport—just a standard: test paths by their fruits. If it grows honesty, sacrifice, and love, keep going. If it demands secrecy and obedience without light, step away. Finally, we wade into pornography as a spiritual and cultural weapon. This isn’t moralizing; it’s a field manual. Accountability with a trusted friend, device discipline, and a higher aim—purity as strength—can reset attention, intimacy, and confidence. He’s living proof.

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Transcript

Opening Provocation: LDS And Secrecy

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Do you think the LDS church is a cult?

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Um yes, I think it's a Masonic cult because of my experience in the temple. Secret handshakes, secret passwords. The programming on the inside is all the same. It's all the same rituals and numbers, numbers, numbers. They build temples based upon how many tithing payers live in that area. That has nothing to do with salvation. It's because it's a corporation, it's not a church. Christ doesn't do anything in the dark. Secrets are of the devil.

SPEAKER_05 0:56

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SPEAKER_00 1:23

So thank you, man, and thank you so much for your hospitality.

Meet The Guest: Apache Pilot Background

SPEAKER_05 1:26

Yeah, 100%, dude. I appreciate you coming up and and and speaking on this topic, which we're gonna dive into today. Clearly, you're in the military as a warrant officer. You're an Apache pilot, which is pretty badass by itself. Thank you. But I think the main focus of today's conversation is that you were standing aga up against the vaccines that they were trying to force on you. You stood up with a voice, especially as an officer, which is very rare, I'm sure, in your position, to have a voice to fight against the tyranny that's going on in the military by forcing a mandate on you. And just from what I've been able to gather, pretty much the military's turning on you, or have has turned on you, and now they're they're pushing back on you, forcing you out. I don't think they're gonna go the dishonorable discharge part, but I'm sure they're they're trying something because when you stand up to the regime, they don't like it, especially with our administration we have now. They are probably even more against anybody speaking up against the flow of what goes on with our Department of War now.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Yeah, and it's a shame. Like I had super high hopes. Like I voted for Trump.

SPEAKER_05 2:41

100%.

Street To Seat And Flight School Journey

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Me too. I totally thought we were turning, you know, for something good. But um, I guess before we really dive in, I want to preface this because I don't want some private, fresh out of boot camp to be like, oh, that's cool. I'm gonna throw my uniform on and get on a podcast. Yeah. Um, what I am doing is activism. I'll admit to that. I'm I feel like I am upholding my oath to fight enemies domestic by doing this. I understand the severity of it. Like this is not something you normally do. I'm not a PAO, a public affairs officer, and so this is not something uh a soldier should normally do of their own volition. You know, you gotta have approval to do this type of thing. But I'm in a position where they've backed me into a corner and I just don't care anymore. I don't care about my discharge status. I want wrongs to be made right, and so that's why I made the decision to put the uniform on today.

SPEAKER_05 3:29

Dang. Okay, we got some topics to cover. I guess how we start every episode. Who are you? Where are you from?

SPEAKER_00 3:34

So I am Chief Warrant Officer 2 Duncan J. Searcy. I'm from Lehigh, Utah. It's where I grew up. I'm a member of the Utah Army National Guard. Like you said, I flew Apaches. Uh, it was actually a childhood dream of mine. They were they were always flying over my house, and it was one of those, you know, like far-off childhood dreams that I never thought I would achieve, right? And uh I was actually working at Cabela's selling guns, and a recruiter came in and he came and he told me about this really cool program they were doing. It's called Street to Seat. So basically, they take a civilian, they put you through boot camp, you go straight to Warren Officer Candidate School. If you make it through that, you go through SEER school and then flight school, and boom, you become a pilot. And so you know how recruiters are, right? I was super excited, super motivated. And I get to his office and I was like, Yeah, we remember we met at Cabela's and you're talking about the street seat, and he's like, and his whole demeanor changed. He's like, Yeah, I mean it is a program, but it's pretty hard to be selected. So let's get you, let's let's try something else, and you can do the normal route where where normally, as a warrant officer, you start as an as enlisted and then you drop a packet to go to flight school and they select you. I'm like, no, dude, I want to do the other one. And so he's like, All right, well, good luck to you. Here's the contact information for the warrant officer strength manager. She's the recruiter for warrant officers, so good luck. So he just basically just passes me off to her. So he tried the old bait and switch. Exactly. Shocker. Exactly. But what he didn't understand, and what my chain of cam command is coming to understand, is how um stubborn I can be. Okay. Uh and so I went and met with her, and for whatever reason, she really loved me. She she went to bat for me. Um, this was a new thing for them. I was the first um person in the Utah Army National Guard to do this program to basically.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

How old are you at this point?

SPEAKER_00 5:21

So I was I was back from a Mormon mission. I was raised LDS, and we'll get into that in the second half. Um, so I was 23, I think. Okay. 23, 24. I was a little older. And they liked that.

SPEAKER_05 5:35

This is a pretty mature program. You just don't want to throw a teenager into this fast track.

SEER School: Survival, Evasion, And Resistance

SPEAKER_00 5:40

I had started a business at this point, I was in college, and so they knew that I wasn't just some Joe Schmo that was gonna fail out if they sent me. Um initially the unit was not very interested in this idea, but she really went to bat for me. She really pushed hard. Um, my uncle at the time was the most well, he wasn't the most senior warrant officer at that point, but he was a CW4, you know, carried some weight. We weren't really close, but he he we were family. So family. Yep. And so he wrote me a letter of recommendation. I think that went a long ways. Um, and then for whatever reason, they were able to convince my chain of command to to be able to do this because the other sweet part about it is the National Guard Bureau actually paid for my training. So that was one of the unique things about it. I was Title X, not Title 32. And so basically the unit was getting a free pilot. They didn't have to pay for me to go through this whole training. So I think that was kind of ultimately the selling point for them. Okay. Like if I filled out, they're not out any funds, right? And so I ended up getting selected, which was awesome. I went to basic training, straight to Warren Officer Candidate School. I got married short, like not very long before I left for basic training. And then after we got to Warren Officer Candidate School in Fort Rucker, Alabama, my my uh wife was able to move down there with me. Um, some of the best years of my life was there at Fort Rucker, Alabama, doing all that stuff. Um why? What's cool about that place? Uh the people. The South is awesome. I I love the people in the South. They're special. Yeah, it's different, you know. You know. And so it was awesome. And honestly, my favorite part about all of it was probably Seer School. It sucked ass. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 7:26

It was terrible. I wanted to get into SEER school.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

But it was definitely like my favorite army training that I ever did. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_05 7:34

Okay, so SEER school for people listening and watching, when you're a pilot, special forces, when you're gonna be behind enemy lines or flying over enemy lines, they send specific people to sear school, which is survive, evade.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Uh-huh. Survive, evade, escape, and resist. Which if you're not in that order, though.

SPEAKER_05 7:54

Yeah, you're asking a marina spell. So and it's really cool because they pretty much torture you guys, they treat you how the enemy would. You gotta they turn you loose, they pretty much hunt you down, they do a lot of cool stuff. So I I want so I want to talk Seer School if you I know you're still in, and there's certain things you can and can't say, I get it. But for people listening, what breakdowns Seer School? Like, what is it like showing up to Seer School?

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Um, I want to preface this that there are different Seer schools. For sure. Okay. For sure. And you have the ones that our SF guys go through, and that one's a whole nother level.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

And they have manipulation, our joint, yeah, they can pop joints and fingers. So there's different tiers to it depending on your position in the military. But like guys that are running like little special ops teams, they're going through the hardcore shit. Yes. They're not sending pilots through the crazy, crazy stuff. But your basic level of Sierra School still sucks.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Still sucks. I just don't want anybody thinking I'm too badass. But anyway, you're an Apache pilot, bro. Like, let's not downplay this.

SPEAKER_05 8:51

Okay. Like you got a gun that swivels with your head. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

It does make sense because your pilots, you don't want to hit somebody so hard that you mess up their vision. And so there's like there's some thought behind it. It's not just gonna be soft, you know. But it's yeah, in terms of like how much stuff you learn, it's so cool. And then you're out there. The survival portion was probably my favorite because it was the least sucky. You were just hungry, but you know, you got to learn a lot of cool stuff and interact with like formal, former uh soft guys that were teaching you all these skills and all these different things. And so that was really cool. Um, then you get to the evade portion where, and I'm just gonna speak vaguely, you know, since it's all classified, where you're just trying not to get captured by the enemy. Um, and you know, you do that for so long, and you've you're you're hungry, you're starving, you haven't eaten in like a week. And at some point you're just like, man, you know, maybe we should just get captured because they probably feed us and we've heard this, and we don't have to run around in the bushes anymore, and I'm just exhausted. That's a trap, bro. Stay out there, stay out there as long as you can. Oh man, they captured us, and like you know, going in what's gonna happen, but I had a six foot six man standing over me and backhand me, and that was the first time I've ever been struck in my life. I grew up a little bit sheltered Mormon, right? Dude, he back backhanded the shit out of me, and I fell to the ground, and I was just like, what is even happening? And dude, it's an awakening. Like, I was so stressed out. I remember like they'll they'll let you pee, but you know, you got a hood on, and they're just trying to make you miserable constantly. I could not pee. I was so hyped up on adrenaline and stress that I could not get the flow going. Okay, and so the trick that I came up with is I'd tell them that I had to shit because then they had to let you go to the porta potty, and then I could get a minute of privacy and like human decency to get the flow going to be able to pee. But dude, seriously, once I had a guy standing behind me yelling at me, he's like, You said you needed to piss, piss right now. And I'm like, I can't, I'm trying, man. I can't, it won't come out. And so after that, I little stage fright. Yeah, way stage fright. But it to the point where I needed to go so bad, it was so painful. But anyways, I'll never forget that. But yeah, the the the resist section is just it's brutal.

SPEAKER_05 11:17

But what's the resist?

SPEAKER_00 11:19

So it's you're in captivity and you're just trying to go with you know, survive the best that you can. You don't want to be too abrasive and like fuck you, because that's how you get yourself killed, right?

SPEAKER_05 11:32

Oh, so the resist part is where they're trying to get stuff out. Are they trying to get your social? Where I'm sure, okay. Um I'll play, I'll play it, paint the picture so you don't have to. Is this where they're you have intel, you you have information, crashed here, whatever the mission was that you were supposed to be on, and then now they're trying to extract that from you and you gotta hang on.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

I'm just a dumb grunt. They don't tell me anything, man. They just sent me here. I don't even know what I'm doing, I don't even know where we are, you know. But anyways, so that was that was rough and it was stressful.

SPEAKER_05 12:01

Do you see people crack pretty easy?

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Oh, yeah. People will hit the instructors and they get kicked out of the course. Like, but it makes sense if you can't control your emotions and you're in that situation, you're not only gonna get yourself killed, but you're gonna get your battle buddies killed.

SPEAKER_05 12:17

And if you're cracking that easy, the enemy's gonna be a hundred times worse with it.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Oh, way worse.

SPEAKER_05 12:21

This is just this is this is a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Think about Vietnam. Yeah, this is all acceptable Geneva convention type.

SPEAKER_05 12:28

So are you watching people just drop and you're like, oh fuck, does that help morale or or destroy morale when you're watching dudes just drop and get kicked out?

SPEAKER_00 12:36

I didn't see many people drop and get kicked out. It's pretty rare. I heard of a guy before in my class that he was threatening violence, and they kind of come out of character, and you're like, hey man, you need to think about where you are right now? Like, are you gonna hit me or you're not gonna hit me? And so, but it's it I think it's pretty rare. It didn't happen in my class. Yeah. Um, but yeah, that it sucked so bad, but coming out of it, like the end, I can't talk about it, but like you just you're on cloud nine and you just love your country so much after that. Um, I would recommend it to anybody, even if you don't need to be serious uh qualified and you're in the army and it's one of the options, take it. It will suck, but you will be so much better for it. It's build you awesome. Build some character for sure. Yeah, for sure. Like you can either choose your hard or you can have life choose your hard. And that's one of those things that if you choose it, you'll be a better person for it and you'll be more equipped to be able to deal with you know different things.

SPEAKER_05 13:30

I've heard of dudes out there like scrounging bugs and trying to eat anything when they were they're in the advasive portions of it. Yeah, but a buddy of mine said that he hid in like a washout, like a little old riverbed, and he tucked himself up in this hole and he could hear the trucks driving and the people, and they ended up finding him with a dog. And he was out there like eating worms in the morning. He said he was he was hallucinating at one point. Like he's they said it was horrible.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Dude, it's so fun though.

SPEAKER_05 13:57

Yeah, I loved it. It's one of those things I can imagine is you want to die during the moment, but afterwards you're like, oh my god, like this. I'm sure this the real stories like that you were able to tell tell offline are just insane. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

And there's different levels, like if you want to keep going, they have different versions. Like there's an urban version where you're in the city trying to evade. And I always thought it would have been super cool. Obviously, my career's taking a different turn, so I haven't been able to do any of those, but yeah, I love to see her.

SPEAKER_05 14:25

They lock you in a box, they do. How long are you in there for?

First Flights, Gunnery, And Weapons Talk

SPEAKER_00 14:28

I don't even remember, man. How big's the box? Uh, there's a couple different sizes, and I can't remember what I am and not supposed to talk about, but yeah, there's you're not comfortable. You're not comfortable at all.

SPEAKER_05 14:40

That would be hell for me. Just being balled up for a long period of time. My knees would be screaming. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

That was probably my favorite part, actually. I fell asleep.

SPEAKER_05 14:50

It was I bet you if you're flexible, it's a really like coming out was a little rough, but it was like you're alone, nobody's messing with you for a little while, and you just Yeah, my buddy said the worst part for him, one of my buddies, he said the worst part for him was he went in the winter time and they had like nine dudes lined up all butt ass naked, and they're hosing them down with a hose in the middle of the night, and they said there was a woman instructor there, and all she was doing is just roasting these dudes on the size of their dicks, and like and she's just like, This is why you're and he's like, Bro, it's freezing, like it's the middle of winter, like you know, and he's like, he's like it was the most degrading thing. He is he just sat there and let the they had to have this woman just absolutely pick him apart. And he was like, Bro, you want to talk about insecurities for the rest of your life? He's like, he's like, it's like getting out of the like a cold plunge and then butt-ass naked. He's like, dude, everything's sucked up in tight. And he's like, it was horrible, and she's just sitting there roasting them.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Oh man, that's rough. Yeah, I had a my buddy, he was a former Green Beret, wanted to change a career, came to flight school, so he didn't have to do sear. But, anyways, he kind of took me under his wing because I was like a civilian, you know. I had just come from basic training. So I was like very green and he could see that. He's like, Oh, this guy needs a little bit of mentorship. So, anyways, he was very kind to me and really good. Anyways, I get out of Seer and I'm trading stories with him, and he's like, dude, I didn't learn a single thing in Seer. I'm like, What are you talking about? You are SF, like your training's. No, dude, they just beat the shit out of me for a week. He's like, I didn't learn a damn thing. And so I'm like, oh man, I feel bad for you. I loved Seer. And he's like, no, I'm never going back. And so, anyways, but because he had already been through it, he didn't have he just skipped that part and I did honor guard funerals while he was waiting to start, which was probably more torturous, honestly. Oh, yeah. To to just be city because at that time there was a long waiting period between walk school and starting flight school. It was crazy. There was that walk school. Uh Warren Officer Candidates.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

And so there was a huge push for getting all these pilots and they got backlogged with maintenance. And so I think some guys were waiting like six or eight months between finishing walk school and starting flight school. So a lot of time you get in trouble.

SPEAKER_05 16:59

That's what it comes down to. And a lot of well, especially on the marine side of things, you give Marines downtime, they're immediately there's gonna be a fire started, a fist fight, someone's drunk and doing something stupid. Like you can't give Marines downtime at all. So I know that. So after SEER school, what's next for you?

SPEAKER_00 17:16

So after SEER finished, I think I gotta remember the so walk sear. So then I I didn't do selection normally. What you do when you graduate walks is you select your aircraft. I already knew what I was gonna fly. I was flying the Apache. That's pretty cool. And so um I they kind of front loaded me because my unit was getting ready to deploy, and so they were really trying to push me through flight school so I could get back in time for that. So I didn't have a super long waiting period, and in fact, I cut my paternity leave. We had our daughter while we were down there, and so I cut my paternity leave a week early so I could get into training if I remember correctly, to be able to make sure I got through in time to get back to deploy. Um, but yeah, loved I lived on post. When you're an officer, they give you a nice house. And um, you know, had a had a little daughter while I was there, and that was just like the best experience of my life. And so it was good times. Um, flight school wasn't terribly challenging. Um the IPs, the instructor pilots affectionately say all the time, I could teach a monkey to fly, and they're right, they could. Um I'm not that smart, but it was it was really fun. I had one IP in particular that he taught me a lot how to fly the Apache. We jumped around with different IPs, but he was amazing, and he actually was the kind of the seed that planted for me with the whole vaccine thing, because I just had my daughter, and so if you're a first-time parent and the vaccine question comes up, you start to have questions and you start to ask, and it's kind of taboo. But anyway, I remember we had just landed and I was like, Hey, um, you know, what's your thoughts on vaccines? We ought to get, you know, we just had my daughter, she's supposed to get her vaccines, and he's like, Oh, dude, I'm an anti-vaxxer.

SPEAKER_04 19:02

Yeah, like, what?

SPEAKER_00 19:04

And he's like, Oh, dude, I vaccinated my daughter, and she started to have seizures. We took her back to the hospital, and the nurses are like, Oh no, this is totally normal. Um, you know, it'll go away. No, it's not. And so after that, they're like, We're done. And then, you know, so that really planted a seed for me to really recognize what it is. Okay. I I believe it's really um, if you've ever heard of the term pharmacia, I think it's magic and it's not always good. I think, anyways, we'll get into that in the second half the conspiratorial section of this podcast. But, anyways, that kind of planted the seed for me and made me start thinking critically about a lot of different things, not just vaccines. Um, so get through flight school, that was a good experience. Graduate, move back home, and I'm set to deploy in just a couple months.

SPEAKER_05 19:59

Hold on. Oh

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

What is it like lifting off the ground in an Apache for the first time? Terrifying. Okay. Imagine that's why I'm asking. I mean, you're in this war machine. Is Apaches or two seaters or one? Two, uh huh. Okay. So are you pilot or co-pilot?

Deployment Under A Peace Deal And ROE Frustrations

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Uh the junior pilot is generally in the front. When you're in flight school, you train both seats, and then when you come home, you have minimums that you're training both seats. Okay. But generally speaking, like if you're deployed and you're in combat, you're gonna have your more experienced pilot in the back seat, and he kind of runs navigation and flying, and then your front seater is on what's called the TADS, you know, your little video games that you're firing stuff, shooting, shooting people. But you can fly from the front seat. And so you you generally start in the in the front seat, and but yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_05 20:52

Walk me through the first time that you left the ground in an Apache.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

But the the one thing that I remember is just how daunting and how weird it felt. It was like I'm in a bus, but I'm floating, right? Yeah. And then it it's it's definitely scary, but you you know, you you get to you get a feel for it and you get better at it and you get more confident with good IPs that help you. Um but gunnery, dude.

SPEAKER_05 21:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's okay. So you're you got I love it talking to A10 pilots because they just have this giant cannon machine gun strapped between their legs. Built around a gun. So with an Apache, I mean, this is an absolute just death and destruction token dealer, right? Like you, this is what this machine was built for. So you get in this bird, and I'm just I'm picturing like you got this gun, you got your goggles, and you're turning, it's looking with you, you're going through your checks, and you're about to go to the live fire range for the first time. Like, what's going through your mind? What's this feel like?

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Oh, at that point you're a little more comfortable flying, so it's like total excitement, and just it's awesome. And I I do have to say, it ruins the range for you. When you've sat on a gun and fired it, when you go to the range just to shoot your rifle, it's not that much fun anymore because for sure. You're like feeling recoil through your ass, which is really cool. Um, and just the smell of the gunpowder, and anyways, it's fun. One of my buddies actually, while he was down there, um, he got to shoot at some pigs because they were in the impact zone and they're invasive. Yeah. So they're trying to manage the populations. And so he actually has a video of him killing some wild, wild pigs during gunnery, and I thought that was really cool.

SPEAKER_05 22:30

So what guns are on there? What's what's the weapon what's the payload on an Apache?

SPEAKER_00 22:34

So you have the 30 millimeter cannon, the guns, and you got rockets and hellfire missiles.

SPEAKER_05 22:38

What's it like shooting rockets out of a helicopter?

SPEAKER_00 22:40

The rockets are squirrely. It's like you you have to be good at it, and then sometimes they just don't perform as expected anyway.

SPEAKER_05 22:48

Why?

SPEAKER_00 22:49

Um it's old.

SPEAKER_05 22:51

Just a fire and forget rocket.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Yeah, it's it's it's there's an art to it for sure, but even then it can go awry. And I find that there's certain people in my unit that are just dialed in and really good at it, and then it's it's pretty tough to master. Um, and then you have the APKWS, um, which is a guided rocket. So it's like the Hellfire, but smaller and cheaper, and you know, you have more iterations of it. I think they've canceled it. You gotta remember, I've been out of the game now for almost five years. I haven't flown because of the COVID vaccine. So I think I don't think I think they've retired the APKWS, but what's the range?

SPEAKER_05 23:28

Because you'll I I've you know, obviously being a marine and you see all the war footage and you'll have like your little Taliban, it's like and but it seems like a minute goes by before impact. How what's the range on a missile or a missile rocket, whatever you guys are launching at the thing?

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Like the Hellfires is really far, and my my IPs back of the unit would squirm. Oh, how come you don't know that? Well, I haven't flown for five years, bro. Um, it's far, like a mile, two kilometers. Uh-huh. Really? And then you if you work in tandem with drones, like you can be super far away, and they paint the target for you, and then you throw that hellfire at your target. It's cool, it's really cool stuff.

SPEAKER_05 24:04

So that's because I've always, you know, because you see these guys that are out there like dig and there's just a helicopter watch. I'm like, how do they not just hear this thing or see this thing hover?

SPEAKER_00 24:12

They never were so far away, and then you're behind a hill or something, you unmask just far enough to let that thing loose, and then you're back down. So it's cool. Even though it's an old aircraft, uh like 80s, you know, it's it's still really cool.

SPEAKER_05 24:26

Like the Warhogilities.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Oh, for sure.

unknown 24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:30

It's like why can't we take the technology that we built in the 80s, these incredible just pieces of machinery and just upgrade them to modern times without going this whole futuristic bullshit? All we gotta do. I mean, you're telling me Lockie Martin like doesn't have something to slap on these things and up with an upgrading kit on them?

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Like my favorite aircraft of all time is the Cheyenne. I don't know if you've ever heard of that one. It's a pusher prop attack helicopter that that got cancelled and then they do the Apache instead. But it's so cool. Like they they uh they lost the contract because something went awry during the tests, and the congressman or whoever was there to prove it wasn't impressed, but it had capabilities, it had um wire-guided missiles on it. Like it was really, really cool. No kidding. And then the the Air Force keeps talking about retiring the A-10, and every time they do, the Army's like, oh, we'll we'll take it, and then they're like, Oh, never mind, we'll keep it. Yeah, but so one of my IPs actually had a flight school spot for A-10s as an army pilot, and then the Air Force changed their mind. They're like, uh, we're gonna lose our close support mission if we give up our A-10s, so we're gonna keep them. But anyways, that the A-10, I think, is the only aircraft that is cooler than the Apache.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

And so it's pretty legit. It is. Yeah, I want to get some more A-10 pilots on because those guys are just well, you got guys local here. I know. I've reached out to a few, but Air Force guys, you know. Yeah, divas.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

They are they are divas. We can agree on that, Marine. The old chair for us. We love them. You can't afford the hotel you need to put them up in to get.

SPEAKER_05 26:01

That's yeah, I don't know. I can't afford the Hyatt downtown, the house them for the weekend. We're not on that Joe Rogan level to have Air Force pilots out here. That's right. We're not bougie enough. Dude, crazy Air Force story. Like, I got tasked once, and they're like, hey, pick a group of guys, you gotta go out to this Air Force base. We're gonna do some training because they were tearing down an old town, like a the base housing in there. So we just you turned it into a war zone. I'll never forget, man. We checked into our rooms and they're like, hey, you guys are in the barracks over here, we go check in. Did I walk into my room? Queen bed, had a fridge, had mints on the pillow. I'm like, these guys got hotel rooms in here, and they're like, These are our barracks. And I'm like, my buddy's in the room next door, they had the Jack and Jill bathroom. He opens up, he's like, This is the greatest place ever. And I'm like, man, we fucked up so bad. Like, we're like living in the dirt, and our barracks are condemned now on Pendleton, and they're all full of asbestos and shit. Like, here we go to these Air Force barracks, and they're the best chow. They had everything. Only reason Marines hate on the Air Force is because we're jealous. Like, I hate admitting that.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

We all do, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:02

Yeah, we're still like, they're still not men, but we're just jealous. Like, you got you gotta pick that path. Comfort or the titles holding. There's a trade-off.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

There's a trade-off.

SPEAKER_05 27:11

For sure. Yeah. So okay, so you graduate, you go through flight school, you get attached to your unit that you said's deploying right away.

Coming Home, Wildland Fire, And Faith Flickers

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Yes. So get back right in time to go to Afghanistan. Um, hoping for about two or three hundred hours of flight time. I think I ended up getting uh it was either 19 or 26 total flight hours. What? In Afghanistan. So what the hell are you doing? So this was at the peak of COVID and the peak of the T peace deal with the Taliban. So we were, and so the Blackhawk guys got to fly a little bit more than us, but Apache has one mission, right? It's to go out. Uh-huh. And so they're trying to not make the Taliban uneasy with Apaches flying around all the time. And so some of the more senior guys got more missions than we did, but I was brand new out of flight school, right? So we we kind of just did the daytime, keep the birds alive with the maintenance flights and do a do, you know, some a little bit of um surveillance and things like that. Boring is that. It was pretty boring. There was one flight that we found a couple of little Toyota trucks that were definitely running weapons from Iran. Yeah. And we chased them around for a little while. Um it was it was hilarious. Kind of the way I can't imagine. They probably had to change their shorts, but we couldn't engage the rules of engagement. You're just fucking with them. Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:34

We were chasing them around and how close are you getting? Like enough for their seeing you like in their in their rear view mirror type of shit, or what?

SPEAKER_00 28:40

No, not super close because you want to have that standoff distance so they can't do anything to you. Not that they were in a position to, anyways. But it was fun because we've we saw them and we chased them around for a little bit, and then we backed off to give them this like sense of comfort security. Yeah. And then we came back and then they really panicked. And one of them drove. There's like these camel farmers out in the middle of nowhere where I was at. And so they drove to this camel uh farmer's hut and like stopped the truck and went in and acted like they were doing some kind of business with him for like for a few minutes. But dude, I can't imagine how scared those guys were. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:16

It's crazy that you're even mentioning like a peace deal with the Taliban.

unknown 29:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:22

I don't know how much we could get into this because it blows my mind of how much money we were sending the Taliban. One, we created the Taliban. The the CIA, we 100% created everything. Yeah. Because obviously, if there's no war going on, the politicians aren't making money. People get rich during the time of war. That's where I feel like there's something, there's something looming right now. Like there's there's a buildup in this country where I feel something is going to happen because now that we haven't been in a war for a few years, people need to make this money. So there's going to obviously be an attack that I'm I'll go on the record right now and state that there's they're planning something. Probably going to be Middle Eastern as always, they're an easy target. They've already groomed us for years to that they're the bad guys and Muslims hate us and blah, blah, blah, right? So is it weird knowing that like you're in Afghanistan, but you have this peace deal with the Taliban, but like you're not supposed to engage, but you're here to defend the country because we're fighting these people? Like, is it what's what's the mindset?

SPEAKER_00 30:25

It's terrible because you get the briefings and you hear how many A guys just get massacred every single night, and there's nothing we can do to help them. Like these are, you know, guys that put their lives on the line to fight for their country, and they just didn't have the training. We're just leaving them hanging. Yeah, and like they were not built for that. No, they don't know how to hold a post, they don't know how to pull security. And so these Taliban guys, you know, they get a hold of some night vision goggles and they come in the night and they just slaughter all of them, and there's nothing that we were doing to we were just sitting by and watching it happen. Like if we saw, if we were out on a mission and we saw A guys getting killed by the Taliban, we could not intervene. The rules of engagement would not allow us to. It was U.S. forces only. That was the only way we could intervene. If they shot at us or they shot at our forces, we could engage. But other than that, it was just smile and wave.

The Mandate Line In The Sand

SPEAKER_05 31:23

Like so you're watching Iraqi army get annihilated by the Taliban that we're paying in you just have to watch. Mm-hmm. Yep. That's I don't understand, man. I don't understand our government. I don't understand how we're running these things and why that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

It's kind of similar to um the genocide in Palestine, in that it's a it's a moral injury. Yeah. You know, you see evil happening, you want to correct it, and there's nothing you can do. And that's almost more damaging to you as a human being than anything else because you have the means to help somebody. You know, you have the ability, but you can't.

SPEAKER_05 32:03

And you're there, you have the greatest, the greatest fighting force on the planet. But here we are teaching these Iraqi army to stand up, we're encouraging them to take back their country, we're here to help, and then we're just like hanging them out the dry, and they're just getting slaughtered and we're just sitting back watching. What time what time error was this? Because Afghan went fell in the end of August of what?

SPEAKER_00 32:29

21.

SPEAKER_05 32:30

21, yeah. So you were there right before all of this.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Yeah, I I was home. It we had a saying, home by Halloween. I was home by how Halloween of 2020.

SPEAKER_04 32:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

So my deployment was cut short because of the peace deal, and they were just dialing things down. And so I was only, I think I was in country for three or four months. I can't remember. Okay. But um, yeah, just really disappointing. And I was, you know, I felt guilty being there because I was missing some formidable years of my daughter's life, and the marriage wasn't good, the separation was not good for me and my wife at the time. And so I uh it was it was hurtful. It was hard. Um, and then um I got sent home even earlier than some of the other guys, and I was pretty upset about that because it was political and playing favorites, and like a pilot that had a job lined up for them at the facility um stayed over me that was more junior than me. And I made it clear to them like, hey, I don't have a job when I I went straight from basic training to this. Like, I invested the last several years of my life to be here. I want to be here, I need to be here financially. And I think they to cut them some slack, they probably thought they were doing me a favor and sending me home because they knew that my marriage was shaky, and so maybe that was part of their you know, thought process in sending me home a little bit earlier than some other guys, but financially it was not good. It was it was a struggle. Um, so anyways, get home and join the Forest Service. I do f wild on fire for a couple years. How's that? It was awesome. Um what'd you like about it?

SPEAKER_05 34:11

The camaraderie. You didn't have that in the National Guard? No, not at all. I hear that a lot. National Guard's just like they're just numbers. These guys just show up, nobody likes each other or talks and I loved being active duty.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

Okay. Because I was active duty for the first little bit, even though I was National Guard. Um, I think I would have fit in and done really well active duty, but when I got back to the unit, it was different. Like people don't hang out the way that they used to. It's very clicky, you know, it's it's very like you got a brown nose and talk the right people up. And I'm a very like merit-based system guy. Like, you know, I think whoever does the best job tries the hardest, you know, should be the ones that get the rewards, and that's not what I perceived as happening at the unit. So yeah, the camaraderie um with the Forest Service was awesome, like bonding with guys, I'm sure not on the same level as like your marine.

SPEAKER_05 35:06

I don't know. I have some marine buddies that were fire smoke jumpers and stuff, and they say it's it's as close as it gets.

Refusals, Retaliation, And Leadership Failures

SPEAKER_00 35:12

Because you're it's a different shit, but you're still going through the shit together. For sure. And it's it was so fun. And um apparently the year I was there, uh, or the the years that I was there, we did a bunch of things that were non-standard, like we got to ride on a bunch of helicopters, so they made the joke that it was like because I was there as a helicopter pilot that we were getting to do all these cool things and flying the helicopters. And one of the funniest stories, I cracked my buddies up when we got on the helicopter for the first time. I pretended like I was so scared of it. And I when we got to the rotor, I like ducked down as low as I could and was like duckwalking and looking all retarded. And and you know, all the guys are laughing because they they know I know. Um, and then the other cool thing we got to do is we were flown in on fixed wing into the Frank Church wilderness and defended a multi-million dollar ranch that was just gorgeous. Uh, I think it was owned by a millionaire. I don't think it was old, I think it was built in the last 20 or 30 years. Oh, okay, okay. It was sweet. It's like right on the river there, and they had um a bunch of draft horses and they guided and apple orchard and like like every man's dream, right? To just disappear in the wilderness and live self-sufficient. So that was awesome. And we'll get into my faith. That's where a lot of my faith happened because we were there for like a long time and had no cell service whatsoever. And so I was in my scriptures, you know. As a Mormon at this time. Yeah, kind of. Yes, kind of, kind of. Um, but that's when I got the call from my unit that, hey, when you get back, you need to get vaccinated. And I'm like, wow, what is all this? And so Oh, so you've made it all this time. So Yes, the the order didn't come until I was uh that would have been mid-2021. Okay, I think. So I refused it initially, and they grounded me and they said, Well, okay, if you're not gonna take the vaccine, you can't fly anymore. And I was like, Okay, sir, can I get that policy letter in writing? And they're like, No, we're not giving you a policy letter for that. And I was like, Okay, whatever. Um, I was a little bitter coming back from the deployment anyway, right? So I was just kind of off doing my own thing with the wild wildfires, and I was happy. And so, anyways, so I was at that point, I was just drilling occasionally. And so then the pressure just got more and more, and I'm just like, what is up with this? You know, something is off about this. And so I started to do research, and I'm like, this isn't FDA approved. Like, why are they telling everybody they have to do it? This is lies. And I brought these concerns up to my chain of command. They're like, Oh, just you know, fall in line, be a good soldier. And I'm just like, no, like we're an organization that's guided by by laws, by regulations. You know, it's literally the promise we made when we enlisted that we'll uphold the Constitution. And so I took a very strong stance, and they're like, Well, just put in a religious or a medical exemption and try to bide your time. And I'm like, No, I do not need special treatment. I'm telling you that this order is illegal and I do not have to obey it. And that pissed them off big time. You know how officers are.

SPEAKER_05 38:26

Don't ever go against an officer being. Exactly. So So the second you did that, you put a bullseye on your back. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

And I will say I did it the right way. Like when I got back from fires, I was like, hey, sir, I talked to my battalion commander. I was like, hey, can we do lunch? I want to talk to you about this whole vaccine thing. And I was like, hey, sir, I just want you to know that this has nothing to do with you, nothing to do with your authority. I will not be complying with the vaccination order. I just want you to know it doesn't mean I disrespect you or anything like that. And he just laughed at me. And he's like, Well, you're gonna get kicked out then. And I was like, I don't think so. I've been talking to a lawyer that he says he if if I do get kicked out, it's gonna be totally honorable discharge, and and he just like laughed in my face. And so, like, that really got to me, and I wish it hadn't have, because I, you know, if I could go back, I probably would be a little more mild. But at the time, I'm like, dude, I'm bringing you my genuine concerns, I'm showing you the laws and the regulations, and you're just gonna laugh at me and tell me that I just need to fall in line and just obey orders. Like, you could be a good sheep. Exactly. And so at that time, I thought I was the only person in that situation. I felt like I was a little crazy because they did a really good job of isolating us from the other soldiers in the in the unit that were also non-compliant. I come to find out later that there were two other pilots, um, well, several more, but two in particular that they're they were in the same position as me. They're like, no, I'm not compliant, I'm not putting in an exemption. And finally it got so bad that they had certain they had uh Serve their initial service obligation, so they just resigned. Like it was so bad that they're just like, all right, fine, we'll just leave. We'll just resign.

SPEAKER_05 40:07

I guess okay, so I got a question for you. Why not just do you've gone through all this work, you've you've got an incredible job. Why not just put in a religious exempt or medical exempt? Like what I mean, would that have been much easier, or was it principle at this point?

SPEAKER_00 40:24

It was definitely principle. Okay. Like I wanted to convey to them that this was not lawful. Okay. And and I felt at the time by putting in like a religious exemption, it was saying, Yeah, you can order me to do this, and here's why I need preferential treatment. That here's why I want you to grant me an exemption. And my argument was I don't need to take this, and nobody should be taking this. For sure. Right? For sure. And so that's kind of the way that I went about it. If I could go back, I wouldn't change that. I wouldn't put in an exemption. I'm I'm really happy that I took the stand that I did. And you know, it was a decision I made with God. He he definitely was like, Yeah, dude, don't do not, he didn't say dude. But he's like, do not get the get the vaccine. And so, and at that time I already had my hesitations from other people's stories, and you know, just doing all the research. I'm like, this is a brand new thing. I'm not gonna just jump into this without, you know, let's have some trials, let's see how this works out for other people. Because at that time I I was just vaccine hesitant, I wasn't totally opposed to vaccines. Yeah, I just wanted to be informed and know what I was getting and know, you know, the potential issues that could cause. And the fact that you open this the sheet and it's blank, you know, like wow.

SPEAKER_05 41:39

It's very interesting because you know, in my era, it was you know, I don't know if you heard my buddy talking on that video, like we the anthrax shot was never tested, the anthrax shot never got approved, and we were never told that it was an option. They literally marched our asses to the beat medical, got us in line, like, hey, if you guys want to go on this deployment and deploy, you have to have an anthrax shot because we're going to Iraq. That's the reason why. And all of us were like, okay. And we all got the anthrax shot. I think that's a huge portion. Like, there's a running joke like in the Marine Corps, like, is it all of them have dot? We all have daughters. Every every single one. My wife thinks it's because we're all all like the huge man whores and like just Marines at one point, and she's like, it's karma for all of you, and that's what God's got a sense of humor.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

Some truth to that.

SPEAKER_05 42:30

Yes. Very but she's like, you know, you guys, this is you, this is what God's joke is. But we we like the thing, the anthrax shot because all of us have it. But like looking back at it now as a father, as more matured, I'm like, dude, there's no way, no way. If I would have had the internet and the ability to be able to research and just the knowledge as a young troop, there's no way I would have got the anthrax shot.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

Absolutely. And I told you my uncle was a CW4, and so I'm taking this stand, and we have a very unique last name. And so he's getting a lot of heat and he's pissed off. And so he calls me one night and we've had a falling out, and so we don't really have much of a relationship anymore. But he's berating me on the phone. He's making fun of me, saying, 'God didn't tell you not to take this vaccine, blah, blah, blah, blah.' And he brought up the anthrax thing. He's like, I took the anthrax vaccine, you know, and you know how that turned out. And I'm like, Really, that's the argument you're going to use? Like, you really wouldn't go back and not take it, knowing everything that you know now. And so that really rubbed me the wrong way. And it scares me that we have so many senior leaders in the military that think this way, that it's just like top down, do as you're told, don't question anything. Like, that is a recipe for disaster.

Viral Whistleblowing And Zero Backlash

SPEAKER_05 43:40

That's my one of my biggest complaints about the military when I was in. It's and the problem is, and I don't want to say this politely, the good ones get out, the a huge chunk of the non-intelligent ones stay in because it's the military. Anybody can do it. It's not like it's like welfare. A hundred percent. And then they just they just do what they're told. Um if you were a yes, sir, do what you're told, the military is perfect for you. This a career-wise. If you just want to get in line, shut up, run this battalion, do this, you grow here. I don't want your opinion. Do what we're told, stay in the military. If you're a free thinker, entrepreneur mindset, go in, join the military, build the foundation, get the hell out, start a life, which is what I did. But you see these guys, and they're just that was one of my dude. I have buddies on around. I was that dude that questioned everything, not even like vaccine-wise, like, hey, we're gonna do it this way. And I'd be like, that doesn't make sense. Why don't we just we're gonna go up and over this mountain? Why don't we just go around it? We save two days, we save fuel, we do all shut up because that's what we're doing. Nobody like the guys that can never give you an answer drove me nuts. That was a huge reason that, like, this built and built and built in me. Like, I can't do this my whole entire career because I got this moron from no offense to anybody in the backwoods of Kentucky, beautiful country, love it. We might be moving there, but like this dude's in charge of me, and he's got three teeth in his head drinking moonshine in the barracks, and he's telling me what to do because he was told what to do, but nobody thinks. It's just everything just rolls downhill. Then, as a troop, you're like, Oh, okay, this is the mission. And then I was always the guy like, wait, so if we clean our weapons now, we don't, it's a Thursday. We have all this time. Let's just clean weapons, get them done, shut the fuck up, do what you're told. And then it's like Friday at five o'clock in the afternoon. Hey, we gotta clean weapons.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

I'm like, and then they mock you, oh, good idea. Fairy's back again. You're like, yeah, I'm trying to make our life better, bro.

SPEAKER_05 45:36

Like, like I remember catching so much shit over the flu shot, like when they went to the little nose thing, they popped a little piece of plastic off. And I'll never forget the first time I did that, I was perfectly fine. Do the flu shot because it was mandatory. They marched us in formation, the BAH or B B A S. Yeah, I'm getting old. BAS vote marched us to medical. We all do the thing, do the next day. I woke up sick as shit, and I was sick for a week with the flu. And I was like, I was perfectly healthy yesterday. So then in my mind, I'm like, I'm never doing that again. Following year, flu shots, everybody's gotta go get flu shots. I'm like, I'm not doing it. And I got I remember getting so much shit then like, you have to. And I remembered looking at my staff and I'm going, who says I have to? I'm like, I'm not putting this in my body. I was got sick last year. Yeah, and then half a huge, I think everybody in my platoon, except for a couple of us, go and do it, and they all got sick. And I'm like, oh yeah, 100%. Then the rest of my time that I was in, I never did it again, and I never got the flu again. Yep. And I'm like, guys, you don't they're like, you have to, though. Who who says I have to?

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Basic body autonomy ought to be one of the like it is a basic human right. And who better deserves that than the people that are willing to put their lives on the line and defend the Constitution? Like, I will die for your rights, but I don't get any rights? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_05 46:54

I'm willing to die for this country, but I have I have to force, I'm putting this substance in my body. Like I've gone through the training, I I'm a patriot, I defend my country, I'll go to war, but now I'm forced to inject something in my body because someone said so. Yep. Who's the someone?

SPEAKER_00 47:09

And the my body, my choice group really is quiet when it comes to this.

SPEAKER_05 47:13

Yeah, where are they?

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Yeah, where are you? You know what I mean? So, but that's exactly what COVID was. It was we're gonna find all the principled, you know, free thinkers and we're gonna push them out. And to this day, in the army, there are two field grade officers that I know of that I would still trust and be feel good about following their orders. They are Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long, she's a flight surgeon, she was a whistleblower with all this vaccine stuff. She's like, hey, we cannot be pumping our pilots full of stuff we don't haven't tested. Like they will die in mid-air and crash. And then the other one, his name is Colonel Borden. He just got appointed to the COVID reinstatement team. I have high hopes. I'm hoping some stuff gets done. But he was a colonel, he actually got separated for refusing the vaccine, and he's just been brought back, and now he's been instated to the how many dudes are gonna want to come back to the military after getting kicked out. So it's I think at this point it's less than 10. And I'll tell you the problem. The reason, and I'll I'm gonna speak for myself, and hopefully I'm not overspeaking for other people. It's not all about the money. Like the back pay, that's all great. We want to be rectified. But we how are we supposed to fall back in under the same leaders that violated our rights turned on you uh-huh and made our lives miserable? Like, read my letters of reprimand. You know, I've got all these things going on that they've been attacking me for years, and then you're these soldiers are just supposed to fall back in under these same commands and just forget it ever happened. Like that's the military, though.

SPEAKER_05 48:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Shut up and get in line. Exactly. And then you read the fine print on the reinstatement, and you see that if you went out and got another job, they're gonna deduct anything you made from your back pay. So, like, why would you come back if you left and you found something and you're successful? You wouldn't.

SPEAKER_05 49:06

I feel it's one of those programs where in order to avoid the backlash of lawsuits or whatever's gonna come from this, they at least offer it and be like, well, he just chose not to.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

That's that's it's just a cover of their ass. That's what we're at. They don't want us back, they don't want the soldiers that are questioning and standing up to come back.

Trials, Mental Health Accusations, And Paper Trails

SPEAKER_05 49:25

That's clear. The military in the gener in general, every branch do not want soldiers, troops that are free thinkers. That is you, that is not the military way. And I know a lot of guys will be like, oh, I was I had no, you didn't. Because I was a free thinker and it did not work. I mean, I skated and got through, but when I really started processing, and I'm like, oh my, nope, like and questioning things. I was just that's just how my mind was wired. I questioned everything from day one. Yeah, and it just nothing would ever make sense to me. So it's like, but if you're just cool, hey, I want to I don't want to have to ever think in my life again, and I just want to collect a paycheck with great benefits, dude. Yeah, that's what that's what they're looking for. Hey, go to the front line, we're gonna send wave after wave on this beach, and eventually we're gonna get through. Yeah. That's those are the those are the men and women that they're looking for.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

And I get that there needs to be unity and good order and dis discipline because you gotta be a team, right? 100%. And good order and discipline is what they're gonna separate me for at my trial next month.

SPEAKER_05 50:27

Wait, say that again?

SPEAKER_00 50:28

Good order and discipline is what they're gonna separate me for at my trial next month. It's the 22nd and 23rd of January. Meaning what? How do we break the case? I lack good order and discipline. So you didn't follow along? Exactly. So right now, their complaints against me, there will probably be more after this podcast, but the right now it's failure to take the COVID tests. So they've dropped the whole vaccine thing. So after so first it was vaccine, we're gonna kick you out for the vaccine. Then that got rescinded, and they couldn't kick me out for that anymore. So then they started attacking my mental health because of my marriage. I I got some help, some mental health help. And so then they started attacking me on my mental health status, and I, you know, pushed back, fought them, passed all their evaluations, and whistle blew that. And so now they've dropped the vaccine, they've dropped the mental health allegations, and now they're kicking me out because I refused to take the COVID test, which is also an EUA product, just like the vaccine. So the same law that saved me there is also gonna save me there. And then I in my viral video, I spoke contemptuous words against the governor, Governor Cox, my commander-in-chief, and General Boyak, the adjutant general of the Utah National Guard. And then I made statements on social media that produced fear in members of the Utah National Guard.

SPEAKER_05 51:46

What did you say about the can you I mean, is it still? I can I can talk about that. So what did okay, so yeah, because the the the they don't the uh higher-ups, they do not like spotlight put on them, especially for something negative. And you obviously have a platform that's blown up through weird things.

unknown 52:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:05

So to say that. So when you're putting this out there, what are you saying about your who were the two gentlemen again?

SPEAKER_00 52:11

So the commander-in-chief, Governor Cox and General Boyak, the Adjutant General of the Utah Guard, the highest ranking general.

SPEAKER_05 52:17

So what did you call them out for?

SPEAKER_00 52:19

So I called out Governor Cox for signing off on the unlawful COVID mandate, because he did, you know. I I think Governor DeSantis didn't make his guys do it. I can't remember. It's all blur now. And then uh General Boyak actually, when I reached out to my congressman and explained what was going on, he wrote uh an official memorandum, signed it with just lies. Just like verify I've documented everything in my case meticulously. What do you mean with lies? And so like they're saying that I refused to take a mental health evaluation, which I took even though it went against the regulation. Like, here's the hypocrisy. It's crazy. I was ordered to take a psychopath test. It's called a PAI. Okay. Why? Um, because they're looking for any reason to get rid of me. Okay. Um and I had some concerns about that. I'm like, you guys are I already have a target on me. You're already trying to kick me out, so let me, you know, network with some people. And so they gave me a suspense when I needed to take the test. I took the test by the suspense. I emailed suspense uh the deadline. Oh, okay. Okay. So I emailed my uh the basically he's the brigade commander, 97th Troop Troop Command. His name is Colonel Jinjavolski. And so I I emailed him and I said, Hey sir, just want to let you know I got that finished. And he acknowledged it. And the next day he called me into his office and gave me a letter of reprimand for refusing to take the test. And I'm sitting across from him, like me and you. I'm like, Sir, you know I took the test. I sent you an email and you acknowledged it. And he's like, Yeah, well, you just dragged your feet and you you were difficult about it. But you did it before the timeline. Yeah, and I'm like, that's not what the letter of reprimand says. It says I that I refuse to take the test, so you're lying. And so that's what they told General Boyak. And so I'll cut him some slack because they may they may have been feeding him bad information. So he told my congressman that I had refused to take this evaluation, which was uh, you know, a standard evaluation for pilots, which is not like you can ask any pilot, hey, have you ever taken a PAI? And they're like, No, I don't, what is that? And so I called him out and I was like, dude, you lied. You you lied to my congressman, and so my congressman, he's useless anyways, he's like, Yeah, we're not gonna help you anymore. Sorry. Sounds like, you know, here's some free legal resources if you want to fight this more, but we're not gonna because you know the politicians.

SPEAKER_05 54:42

So you have these generals that are just blatantly just a hundred percent lying.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

Like I said, he could have been fed bad information by Colonel Jinjavolski.

SPEAKER_05 54:51

That's what I'm saying. Colonel is sorry, I didn't said general, but Colonel is just making blatant lies about you that you have pr timestamps, proof of with his like his responses.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

It's like it's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 55:06

So all this is unfolding. Are you not just like uh hello? Like, here's every done, I've done everything that you've lied me to except for got a COVID test and the shot.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

Exactly. And for for years, I tried to do it this right way. I'm trying to navigate it the way that you're supposed to. I was very strong in my stance, but I followed all the regulations, I wasn't talking out. But after they lied to my congressman, I'm like, enough is enough. And so that's when I put on my uniform and I made that video. And I will say the original version of that video would have gotten me dishonorable discharge because I was angry and I had some things to say. And I was laying in bed one night and the Holy Spirit came over me and was like, this is what you need to say. And so I'm laying in bed and I just opened up my phone and I type it all out. And the day came that they were grounding me permanently, and I knew this was gonna happen. I had a whole bunch of memorandums ready for them. Um, and so after I got home from that, I put on my uniform, got in my car, I delivered that message exactly how I had received it. And at that point, I had a bunch of followers on TikTok because of that other thing that happened. Um, and I had an X account. I had like 13 followers, I think. And so I was like, I'll just throw it up on X, you know, couldn't hurt. So I posted to both. TikTok smashed it, took it down immediately, you know.

SPEAKER_05 56:22

This was your letter?

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Uh no, the the viral whistleblower video.

SPEAKER_04 56:26

Okay, okay.

Reinstatement Promises Versus Reality

SPEAKER_00 56:27

And so got smashed on TikTok immediately, but it just went absolutely viral on X. Like Uber, like I didn't have any sense of what constituted viral on that. So I texted one of my friends that was pretty active on X, and I was like, hey, is this, you know, I'm used to TikTok. Is this pretty good? And he's like, Yeah, dude, you went viral. I was like, oh, cool. So, and I I testify that that was just because I was obedient in delivering the message that I was given. Had I, you know, full sended all of my feelings, everything that was up here, it would not have gone well for me. So I'm very thankful that I was receptive to the spirit and toning it down and being like, here, look, this is what you need to say.

SPEAKER_05 57:09

Well, I know there's a lot of emotion behind that's driving this from you with preschool, just who you are.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

For years I'm fighting these guys.

SPEAKER_05 57:15

But at the same time, you can't cross a line because the second they can get you for anything for dishonorable discharge, they're looking and they're probably waiting and watching everything. And so that way you're playing this chess game now with the US military and congressmen in generals.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

I'm playing checkers, they're playing chess, but I got God on my side, and so that's why it's working. Got it. Okay. So I'm just a I'm a useful idiot, man. You know, yeah, like looking back now on the wisdom, because I wanted to post that video before the election, because I'm like, I want to help get Trump in office, you know, so I'm gonna talk crap on the Biden administration and expose everything that's going on. And and the Holy Spirit convicted me. He's like, no, right now is not the time. I was like, and so, and I had already told a bunch of my colleagues in the military that were also fighting this that I was gonna post, and so I had I felt like all sheepish. I'm like, hey guys, you know how I said I was gonna do the video this week, I'm actually not doing it anymore, and you know, they probably think I'm coward and all this stuff, but then like the day came and I was already ready, and the spirit was like, now's the time. Make the video and post it. And I'll never forget, I was dude, nervous out of my mind. People think that I'm just out to cause trouble. I did not want to make that video, I was so nervous. And that morning I'm I actually met with our unit's um uh chaplain, and it was just such a spiritual experience. Like I just explained everything that was going on with her, and she prayed with me, and in her prayer, gave me the prompting that I needed to, you know, stay strong, post the video.

SPEAKER_05 58:55

Like Did she was she in support of you, or was she just playing the chaplain role?

SPEAKER_00 58:58

She was just playing the chaplain role, but she delivered a message that she couldn't have known what she was doing, and that is what sustained me and gave me the courage to be able to post the video. And I'm a nobody. The reason it went viral is because God. But that's the only thing.

SPEAKER_05 59:12

What was said in this video?

SPEAKER_00 59:13

Like just so I kind of explained my situation. I whistle blew the fact that I was being targeted for not taking the COVID vaccine. Um, but then, and we'll cover this more in the second half, I kind of talked about the spiritual war that's going on and kind of the the the going-ons behind the scenes that's causing all these different things to happen. Yeah. You know? Um, so that's kind of the gist of it. And it may be a good idea to play it during the episode so people can can hear it because it resonates with a lot of people. But um, yeah. Had I not been obedient in delivering that message, I don't know where I'd be.

SPEAKER_05 59:51

So it goes live, it goes viral. What's the backlash? Like what's what happens after that?

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Zero backlash, one hundred percent. Total support from the general public, from everybody, to give you an idea of the character of my brigade commander that I told you about. Lieutenant Colonel Long reposted the video on X, and they knew each other because he had been her commander at Fort Rucker, where she was a flight surgeon. And apparently he's at some big meeting, and his peers are walking up to him and being like, dude, why are you such a piece of shit? Like, what's going on in Utah? And he was furious. And he saw that she reposted that and he called her on the phone and screamed at her for an hour. Like another field grade officer is gonna call and scream at her.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:41

Because she reposted your video.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

Exactly. And so she kind of prepped me and she's like, hey, he is not okay right now. If he calls you, do not answer. And I was like, Oh, thank you, thank you, ma'am. So he called me and you know, I came up with, hey sir, you know, all respectful. I can't talk at this moment. You know, if you need to talk, we can talk at a later time. You know, just trying to buy myself some time so we can calm down because he was furious, very angry. And like, I've forgiven him. I get it, I understand where he's at in his career where he just you know wants things to go smooth so he can get it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:12

That's bullshit, though. That's bullshit. There's no point in your career where you're just oh, I'm just gonna cruise this all. Like you're you're you should always be looking out for your troops, especially if you're running a brigade or whatever the army has. And so it's like that's that's the my problem with the leadership in the military. They get to that box and they just check it. Oh, cool. I just gotta write, I got four years left. I'm gonna finish out this post here. I don't want any trouble. I don't care what goes on. I'm just gonna roger up to everything and just ride my time. Like, that's the problem with the leadership in the military, and that's where it all comes down to. The last enlistment you got in, these guys are in a cush position and they just want to ride, yeah, which means they're fucking everybody underneath them because it's all for it's all about number one in that position.

Good Order, Discipline, And The Coming Board

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

Yep, and the reason it was extremely disappointing is he came in halfway into all of my drama and we started off great. Like he called all of us refusers into a meeting. He apologized on behalf of the army for the way that it happened. He's like, Let's get you back in the aircraft, yada yada. So he had push back on him by somebody. That's what I'm thinking. I confronted him and I asked him directly, and he's he said that no, there was no. There was somebody at state that saw that I was getting back in, like about to get back in the aircraft, and like, no, this guy, he was totally defiant. He is not getting back in the aircraft. I think it came from higher. But like, and just from there, it just got more and more toxic. I remember specifically sitting in a meeting with him, and um, because what happened is, you know, they apologize, they're like, you know, you're coming out of this depression from your your divorce, uh, but we want to we want to rehab you and get you back in the aircraft. I'm like, great. So they close my behavioral health case and they're like, get your flight physical done so you can get back to flying. So I did. So I got my flight physical done, and I'm waiting to hear back from the flight surgeon, and I'm hearing crickets, and like time goes past, and it's been way longer than it usually takes. And so I'm like, hey guys, what's going on? I'm reaching out, you know, bi-weekly basis, probably. And finally they call me into an office. It's my brigade commander, my company commander, the brigade XO, the flight surgeon, and the behavioral health officer. They just kind of blindside me with this meeting. They call me in, and they're like, after thinking about it some more and and talking amongst ourselves, we've actually decided that you're done. You're not gonna be a pilot for us anymore. And I'm like, I'm baffled, right? Because I'm expecting to get back in the aircraft any day. And now they're doing a whole 180 and just pulling the rug out from under me. And and I was like, why? Like, is this because of my behavioral health case that you guys just closed? And the flight surgeon was like, no, it's specifically due to your actions, the way that you reacted and responded during the COVID-19 vaccine mandate. And I was like, this is not fair. I'm like, respectfully, I'm not gonna accept this and I'm gonna fight this, you know, I'll probably hire a lawyer, and I might even go to the news. And they they're like, oh, now you're threatening retaliation against us. And I'm like, no, I'm just trying to stand up for myself because this is not right. So that happened, and then we're I was just kind of in no man's land while the because I after that meeting, I met with Colonel Jinjavolski, who I've told you about, and I was like, hey, I'm not gonna accept this. I don't think it's right. What can we do? Can you send me to Fort Rucker to have an outside evaluation? I'm telling you I'm feeling targeted by our organization, so just send me somewhere else and have them evaluate me and see if they come up with the same conclusion. And you know, he goes on and on. He's like, Well, we just don't know if we can trust you. And he said something really weird to me that I'll never forget. He's like, We don't know that if you're deployed, if we give you the order to fire on a child, that you'd follow through with that order. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like, what's does he have a weapon? What's the rules of engagement?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:17

Like firing on a child. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:19

Like this is the place that these people's minds go. It's weird. And so, and I was like, Well, yeah, if you're gonna order me to do something unlawful, you probably can't trust me to follow through. Trust is a two-way street, like right now I don't trust you at all either. So, um, anyway, so that's when he he attempted to have me do the outside um evaluation.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:42

That was oh yeah, that was the example that they used against you by saying that they didn't trust you. It's like we can't trust you if we tell you to fire on a child. Yeah, and I'm like What a horrible example. Be like, yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna fire on a child as his kids pointed an RPG at me.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:59

Yeah, even then. Even then you have some paws, right? It's like it's a child. It's a child. He does he know what he's doing? Can we just evade this shot right now? You know, so, anyways, I thought that was completely wild and it made me sick, honestly. I'm like, at that point, I was like, do I even really want to be here anymore? So that's when I started to kind of like poke the bear a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:21

Um, so you haven't like officially poked the bear yet?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:25

No, I haven't released that video. I'm going along with everything, I'm just trying to be agreeable, trying to get back in because I want to fly. I love flying. I love you know, being an Apache pilot is badass. Yep. And so um after that, he comes back and he's like, no, Fort Rucker's not gonna do the outside evaluation. They want us to take care of it here. And so that's when they ordered the PAI, the psychopath test.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:49

What's a psychopath test?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:50

So that it's a personality assessment inventory. Okay. It's a test that you take, and apparently it's designed in such a way that you can't lie to it, and it's able to identify if you have psychopathic tendencies. So I, you know, reached out to my contacts. I was like, hey guys, do you think it's a good idea for me to be doing this? And ultimately we came up with, even though it was unlawfully ordered, there's there's regulations that guide mental evaluations, and they can't order you to take one unless you've expressed like, hey, I feel like I'm having mental health issues. Psychopath tendencies.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:28

Yeah. What did you end up taking it? I did end up taking it. What are some of the questions in it?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

Um there's one that I'll remember because I know that's why I scored high on it. I scored high on one thing, and not outside.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:39

Scored high as in the fact that closer to being a psycho?

Oath, Conscience, And Message To Service Members

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

I think so. But not but not in the realm of just a tiny bit abnormal. The question was, do you ever think you'll be famous? And to this day, I don't know why I said yes to that. I just I was, you know, they said, don't even think about it, just read it, answer, and and I followed the instructions. And it said, Do you think you'll ever be famous? And I was like, yes. And I was like, that was weird. I don't know why I did that, but like, I'm not gonna go back and change my answer now. You know, that was my first inkling. I'm just gonna go with it. Little do I know that a couple months later I'm gonna go viral on TikTok, right? Um but anyway, so I think I'm vindicated from that one. Other than that, like everything was totally even keeled, totally normal. And like I said, even that category, I think it was called grandiosity. Okay. Um, even I was even within the normal limits, but just a little higher in the normal limits, if that makes sense. So I beat that test, and like I said, I took the test and got, you know, positive comms with my brigade commander that I had completed it, and then he calls me in the next day and gives me a letter of reprimand for not taking it.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:43

And I'm just like none of this makes any sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:48

Like I have all the text conversations when we're coordinating the test, and so I'm just like baffled that they're gonna be so blatant. Like these things are verifiable. You can't just lie and say, Oh, he wouldn't take it. He said he's he said he wouldn't take it. Like you have timestamps.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:03

Yeah, I never said that. So once you proved them or went to him back, like I have timestamps of all this. What where do they go from there? Are they pivoting or are they st are they buckling down and they're sticking to their story?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:13

I guess they expected me to back down or get so fed up that I just you know asked him how I could quit. But anyways, so that after that experience, I'm like, okay, this is not okay. And that's when I reached out to my congressman, explained the whole situation that was going on. They inquired to the Utah Army National Guard, and General Boyak wrote that memo back lying. I got a copy of the memo, and I'm just like all the way to the top. They're just trying to F me over. So whatever. If I'm a warrant officer, you're not gonna let me fly. What is there, you know? I'm an entrepreneur. You can give me a dishonorable discharge. I'm not I'm not applying for a job tomorrow, you know. So I put on the uniform.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:53

You don't want a dishonorable.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:55

Well, you have to do some crazy stuff that you dishonor. Pretty much a felony.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

So I I was I was and eve I would take a dishonorable discharge rather than back down from this because that's how strong strongly I feel about it. But I knew the worst I was gonna get was other than honorable, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:11

They never try to get you like unbecoming of an officer or disobeying direct orders or something like that. Is that okay? Yep, yep. Because that's what they threaten everybody with, like you know. Yep. Like I but I've never known anybody that's actually gotten hammered with it. So that's the kind of I don't want to say official, but that's where they're coming at unbecoming of an officer because you didn't follow directions. Yep. You went against the flow?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:34

Yep, went against the flow. Interesting. And so since then it's pivoted, right? Because I went viral and made them look terrible. Yep. I mean, that's that's not my fault. That's what happens when you lie and don't follow regulations. So um yeah, after they lied to my congressman and he said he was unwilling to help me any further, I didn't have money for uh an attorney. And so I was just like, I'm gonna speak out about this, you know, so at least I can leave something better for the soldiers that come behind me. Sure. My my philosophy was at least in the future, something like this happens. They'll be like, ah, do you remember Chief Searcy? Let let's let's make sure our I's are dotted and our T's are crossed on this one.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:16

So during this time, the administration, the Biden administration's winding down. Obviously, the Trump is getting his movement, and you're are you excited? Like, okay. Yeah, feeling super confident. Trump's coming in, he's gonna like wave all of this, come in and his magic wand and Heggs.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:33

Even during their campaigning, they're talking about, oh, we're gonna fire these generals, yeah, we're gonna reinstate everybody. So you're you're like feeling pretty confident, and plus I went viral and the public response was so positive. I'm you know, I'm feeling confident. Um, and so I'm like, you know, we're we're gonna be good. You know, a couple more months, I'll probably be back in the Apache flying, right? So then Trump gets elected in his inaugural speech. He even brings it up. He talks about reinstating, you know, the COVID people, which I'm unique. I never got kicked out because they drug their feet too long, and then they couldn't kick me out for that anymore. So now they're searching for reasons and it's turned into this mess. But there's a lot of soldiers, you know, that did get kicked out initially, and they promised them back pay and reinstatement, and then I'm in that community, so I'm following it, and I'm just seeing these people's individual experiences like going to MEPS, Jordan Carr's one that she's just been through hell. They're just treating her like shit. And and the people that are supposed to be um helping us, Stu, uh, what's his last name? He whistle blew the Afghanistan withdrawal marine.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:42

Um damn, I actually want to get him on. I can't think of it.

Part Two: Disclaimers And Faith Frame

SPEAKER_00 1:12:46

Anyway, first name Stu. I can't remember his last name. He got into it with her on X because she's like voicing her frustrations, and he's in charge of this program to reinstate, and he's like being totally unprofessional in the way that he's responding to a service, uh, you know, a veteran that's very frustrated with this whole process, trying to get back in, wants to serve again. And then uh he posted something else on X, like, you know, we're never gonna get accountability for the COVID thing. It's time to move on. No. And that's the exact opposite thing you need to say to our community right now. Like, no, we until there's accountability, there's nothing. Like, keep your damn back pay.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:26

What a military thing to say.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:28

So I'm so I was initially very excited, very hopeful, and then as the months went on and nothing happened, and nothing happened, and nothing happened. I'm just like, it's the same, it's the exact same as it was.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:43

So, because Trump comes in promising the world, all well, he's promised everything. We know that this fucking retard is not doing shit, but are you Hey, that's my commander in chief you're talking about. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a commander-in-chief. I'm so glad I don't have any paperwork with his name on it. But he uh so you have you have you had any th like interaction with anybody now in Congress? Any generals that are falling under him, Pete Heggseth? I mean, they they seem to be very viral and public on social media. Have have has this gotten to them? I mean, do they even know that you exist at this moment?

LDS, FLDS, And Cult Claims

SPEAKER_00 1:14:23

Because he I know they know. I had some pretty, you know, powerful allies coming into this administration, and like nothing has happened from it. It's it's super disappointing. And I'll give the example of my my friend Dr. Kirk Moore. Um, I told you about him at the gym. He was this plastic surgeon in Utah that was doing the fake vaccine cards so people could keep their job, so the kids could stay in school, you know. People are just trying to keep their lives and not have to take an experimental health treatment. Yep. Well, earlier this year, they're trying to send this guy to federal prison. Like COVID is years done. He did the right thing, everybody agrees, and this administration is still attacking him. And from my perspective, it wasn't until Marjorie Taylor Green shed light on it that Pam Bondy was like, oh, you know, we can't go through this, we need to drop this. And she'll say that, you know, that she just wasn't aware of it. And, you know, once she became aware of it, they dropped it. But there's something, something going on with this administration and the pharmaceutical industry that makes me sick. Like we all know what it is. Yeah. And it needs to be stopped. So why is why hasn't it happened? It should have stopped the first week. Or how far in? And they're still recommending that little kids get the COVID vaccine? Zero percent chance of death? And on the flip side, we know that the vaccine has killed children. So what are we doing? Like I don't it's it baffles me.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:53

That's the shittiest part. That's the one shitty part about a podcast is all the different people I get to have conversations with that open your eyes to so many different things, and it just It is so sad, it is so frustrating and discouraging, and like morale killing when you see our own government, our own politicians like pushing things that are legitimately killing people. And here Trump comes in, we're gonna make America healthy again, and blah blah blah. No, they're still pushing this. It should have been banned that day, done, gone, destroy it all. But instead, these pieces of shit are making hundreds of millions of dollars off of this, and that's all it comes down to. And they at the life of children, service members, like I have buddies that that got out because of it, and it's like, you how do you force this on somebody and not knowing any testing anything about this vaccine? Like, we we were way like we've been anti-vaxxers before. It was cool to be anti-vaxxers because I've talked about before on the show with my daughter, she ended up having a seizure, it was horrible after getting just a routine vaccine, and that's when we sick. This was when she was like five or six. So we've been out of it for a long time. So when this whole thing came about, I'm like, oh, absolutely not. The wife's like, no, we're not even we're not even entertaining it. Like, we never I don't even think anybody in this house has ever even had a COVID test. That's how that's what a joke it was to us since the beginning. Absolutely. So, but I'm watching these people do I we know a family that got their kids all vaccinated in all the boosters and these kids have so many problems, sores and rashes all the time. Now they just throw up randomly, and it's just normal. Oh, I just do that every now and then, all to go on a vacation.

unknown 1:17:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:38

To travel. To travel. Well, and I haven't talked to my nieces and nephews since COVID because I tried, I tried, I reached out to my brother and my sister-in-law, and I'm like, hey guys, I understand that you guys are pro-vaccine, you're gonna get it for you. Please hold off on the kids and let's see where this goes. Give it some time. And my my uh sister-in-law blew up at me. Ah, it's re it's people like you, the reason why we have to vaccinate our children, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just like you say, Meanwhile, he's doing nothing. They're always sick, and my kids like always healthy, always happy.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:15

Like there's a lot of parents in this country that I feel have so much guilt that they try to hide and bury and they just play it off like, oh, we're good, we're good. But I know truly deep down inside there's a there is a huge portion of parents in this country right now that have a massive amount of regret for getting their kids vaccined because they fucking fell for it. That's what it comes down to. You got played, you fell for the propaganda, and you now just put your life your child's life in danger for who knows how long. You see those doctors that are doing these tests, yeah. On the and the blood's coming out just coagulated, coagulated.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:52

Well, imagine how terrible they must feel. Like as a father, your job is to protect your children. You know what I mean? And then you come to find out later that you're gonna be the reason that they live less, you know, or they you know have debilitating.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:09

It would kill me. And this is why it comes down to we cannot trust these politicians. You cannot trust the government. The fact that people still do blows my mind.

Book Of Mormon Versus LDS Doctrine

SPEAKER_00 1:19:17

So my heart truly goes out to them because there's a lot of people that are just trying to do the best that they can, and uh, and most of them don't even want to confront it. Like they don't even want to think about it or talk about it because that's it's like that moral injury I told you about. So I my heart really does go out to anybody that's in that situation. But the the best thing you can do now is not ignore it, not forget about it, like redirect that righteous anger and start holding people accountable. Like this was not okay. It seems like everybody just wants to forget that COVID happened. We came this close to losing our constitutional republic. For sure. This close. For sure. Like had there not been a few people standing up. We would have lost it all. Like this was a limitus test for tyranny. And I guess I want to segue a little bit. I don't want to get too far into faith before I take my uniform off. But what I want people to start to recognize, and I'm I'm trying to start a cultural revolution, is that this is not a left versus right issue anymore. This is good versus evil. And like I said, it's all connected, and vaccines is part of that tyranny. And I just want people to recognize that we're in a spiritual war right now, and we need to start preparing ourselves and getting armed and understanding that. And as a soldier, I can kind of give an example with that. Like we have army doctrine and how we fight wars and enemies. And I think if you talk to most Christians, like if you saw somebody at the gym that has a Christian tattoo, like, hey man, you believe in Christ? Yeah, yeah, I believe in Christ. If you asked him, Do you believe in Satan? They'd they'd probably pause and consider it for a minute and be like, Oh yeah, yeah, uh, yeah, I have to. I believe in Christ, so I know that there's an enemy as well. So in military, we we have to understand our enemy, right? And um like I think in army doctrine, I haven't opened the field manuals in a long time, but I think for army doctrine, we have to have we have to outnumber them three to one before we even are gonna engage them in fight. You know, it's a little different than the Marines. You guys are a little more badass, and you know, the colonel comes in, and boys, yeah, we're outnumbered 10 to 1, and you're looking around, that's it. Yeah, that's why Uncle Sam gave me this 240. Let's do it. But we're a little different, we're not the tip of the spear. Um, so I think a crucial part of this spiritual war is Christians, and I don't even know what that means anymore. I call myself a follower of Christ. Absolutely. Um, we need to understand our enemy. Like in war, when we get into a decisive engagement for the army, we want to know their composition, their weapons, their numbers, their ability to send in reinforcements, you know, what's the next line of defense behind them? And it's the same in this realm of spiritual warfare. We need to start understanding our enemy so that we can fight back. Like if you don't understand that Satan is just as real as Christ and is trying to carry out operations, you're just, you're gonna, you're gonna lose. You have to know your enemy. And so that is what I'm begging even more than anything else, is that Americans will wake up and realize that this is a spiritual war that we're in now. I'm very concerned, especially with everything that happened with Charlie Kirk, that they're trying to subvert Christianity and make it violent and make people believe that, hey, it's our time. We're gonna flip the tables. I'll remind anybody that calls Christ their God. When he went into the temple to cleanse it, none of his apostles were invited. He did that by himself. And so we need to remember that vengeance is the Lord's. We're always entitled to defend ourselves and our families, you know. But he always instructs us not to strike first, to turn the other cheek, forgive 70 times seven. That's a lot of times, you know what I mean? And so what I want to beg Christians is to take a step back, realize the spiritual war that we're in, and not get violent because that's exactly what the enemy wants. It's all part of his plan for us to at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:35

I feel like Christians there's there's this huge demographic that are so weak, they just they don't want to stand up, they don't have a voice, they won't fight, and it's just and that's where we're getting steamrolled on everything because they don't there's this huge spineless community of Christians that are just like, Well, I believe and I just want to live this peaceful life. It's like there's there's a evil out there that wants you done, gone, dead, killed, whatever, and they're coming for us. So there has to be this point where we have to meet violence with violence, I personally feel. But I I look at these people that huge influencers that I know that are Christians, and they don't even voice anything about it. They're not standing up for what's going on in their country and overseas right now. And so it's like, how long do we turn the other cheek for? How long do we want to be the righteous person? And and but at the same time, you look at the crusades, dude. There was Christians out there slitting throats for hundreds of years defending that cross.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:34

And where do we where is that happy medium? And I totally get what you're saying because as we can't just have this knee-jerk reaction as Christians because it is a hundred percent good versus evil.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:44

And I feel the military doesn't like the Christian route because you have morals and beliefs and values when you follow the Bible and you follow the word of God. Yes. So I feel that that's the military doesn't push that, it's it's the opposite. They want everything to just go as planned, right? And do a good job, shut the hell up, fall in line. That's where it's that's where I lost my faith was in the military. Completely lost all faith in the military because of the atmosphere, just the lifestyle of being a young Dunbarine. So it's it's tough. We're in I I feel we're in this limbo where are we being so weak as Christians because we have to turn the other cheek because that's the New Testament, and we just have to love and peace and love because we're Christians, and that's what God says. But like, how far does that get you when we have cultures out there that are doing everything they can to destroy us? Well, how when do we pick up the shields and swords and when do we go back onto the battlefield? Yeah, you see what I'm saying? Like, that's not what you're saying, but at the same time, like it's like how long do we how long are we gonna be spineless and not standing up and coming together as this force to fight evil? I want to be clear.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:53

I'm calling for violence, but it's just spiritual violence. For sure. Does that make sense? And the answer to your question lies in scripture, right? In the book of Revelation, it says the great whore of all the earth in the last days will have dominion over all the earth. And I I don't think any Christian would disagree with the fact that we're probably in the end times, you know, and that this is happening. What's prophesied is not that the believers are gonna rise up and fight and kill and destroy the evil, the evil is actually going to war amongst themselves. And in the meantime, Christ's true followers are going to be safe. Yeah, they're gonna be gathered in. That's the crazy thing about this whole Zionism argument that's going on. Zionism is biblically sound, it's real, but it's not what they're trying to push, right? And so that's why I want to caution everybody to be peaceful, to be followers of Christ. It's crazy to hear that from an Apache pilot, right? But my theology over the years has definitely changed that it's you don't want that on you. You know what I mean? You don't want to be that knife that cuts the throat in the crusades, like you're saying. If if I knew for a fact that the Lord had sanctioned a war and you know it was godly, like, talk about a godly war. Let's go into North Korea and liberate those people. You know what I mean? Like, if we're gonna make up wars, make your money, but let's help some people too. That's kind of where I'm at with all this. I'm tired of this same narrative about the Muslims. It's always the Muslims. Like, we talked about this a little bit yesterday. We created this enemy.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:36

I've said it for years. What would happen if somebody came here and did this, did what we did to them? That's where I feel bad as a veteran because we were spun this lie. Oh, this Muslims, Muslims, Muslims, and then you know, when I get there, and it's like, man, these people just want to live their life.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:52

Right. And I I was a pilot, so I didn't get to interact with anybody on the ground, but you met them. Yeah. Are they living in their homes with them? Are they decent human beings? Are they good? And they revere our God as a great prophet that's also going to return. So it's like, why are we so invested in these people that hate our God that say he's burning in a pile of excrement?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:14

And I see I feel the where the majority of, especially is our media and this whole Muslim play, like Muslims are the bad people. And it comes down to there's such a large number of Muslims. So when you take a radical Muslim One third of the world. But then you take the radical of one third of the world, you're talking hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of radical Muslims.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:38

We have to recognize that this whore of all the earth, she infiltrates every single organization. We're talking Islam, we're talking the army, the marines, you know, Christianity. And the more radical the belief system, the easier it is for this evil to creep in and get people and manipulate people. Exactly. And so, yes, it's coming. There will be Islamic attacks. And we need to remember that it's not this is not a Muslim problem. This is an evil and extremist problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:10

That's like an American going to Dubai and flying into a plane, and now they just blanketed every single Western oh, the West is evil.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:18

It's like exactly are they?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:20

I I remember I'm I've said it on the show. Never found a weapon of mass destruction in the two years of my two deployments over there. Yep. Oh, I found an AK, some RPGs. Granted, there are other people that were shooting and trying to murder you every single day as these troops are deployed, but we're in their country.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:37

We need to be able to do that. We did find a lot of gold bars. Like it is weird that it's always these countries that have their own banking system that we're invading.

Temples, Money, And Corporate Religion

SPEAKER_05 1:29:47

That's why I think Venezuela is huge next. I don't think Americans truly know what is going on with Venezuela and being some of the lar one, their own their own currency, their own banks, plus the natural resources in Venezuela. So every time I hear Trump's speak of anything, I'm like, uh here, here we go. But I as the normal everyday American, they're just watching what's on TikTok and Instagram, and oh, Venezuela's doing this, and these guys are building up. Are they? But how many times are we gonna fall for it? We need people we're going to keep falling for it because we're so stupid as a country.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:27

The ones that know to start being bold and committed in speaking about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:42

Absolutely, dude. I got buddies that have hundreds of thousands of followers. I'm like, yo, why aren't you saying anything on this? Oh, I don't want to touch the subject.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:48

Yeah, why is good for my brand.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:50

Yeah, why? Because you're you make a couple grand a month off your shitty ass page and nobody gives a fuck about.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:57

Guess what? If we lose this, nobody's gonna have a channel. Like so at some point, you gotta realize that there are more important things than your bank account or your channel or what you've built.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:10

How about the future of your children? Exactly. They're gonna have to fight against and how this country's gonna go, especially the the tyranny or the just the corruption and the level that we're at. I'm like sitting here having conversations with dudes, they have half a million followers on Instagram, and he's crushing on Israel, destroying everything. And I'm like, why don't you mention this? I post people like, thank God, dude, so many, so many with a following puts it out there, and I don't even go hard on it. I'm just like, okay, this needs to some people need to hear this to wake up. And here you got giant influencers that are just more worried about themselves and their bank account and monetizing their page than putting out good versus evil. Yeah, we're having these conversations but behind closed doors. They're cowards to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:51

Like if you know what truly is going on and you're not putting out there trying to educate people, you're a coward.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:56

Yeah, we need people to take courage. Like it is a spiritual war, and people have got to step up to the plate. Like if we don't, it's gonna I mean it's gonna get okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:07

So as a as a soldier and an Apache pilot, what do you think the next thing's gonna be?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:14

Um I'll tell you that when I take this off. How about that? Before I speculate. Does that make sense? 100% back in my civvies and and tell you what where I think this is going, because then I can speak a little more freely about my theology, okay, along with Mormonism and my faith and what I think is gonna happen next. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:34

So let's okay, so let's tie up this then because I want to jump into that. I don't want to blow through it though. I want to make sure you get everything you need to get across. So where are we at now with you? Now that you've stood up to your chain of command, you've gone against con or I don't want to say congressmen, but your governors, your generals, everybody that's in your chain of command is now after you. You have a court case at the end of this month or next?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:01

Next month, uh January 22nd and 23rd, I have what's called a wofer board. It's a withdrawal of federal recognition. Because I'm in the National Guard, uh, my officership is recognized by the federal army. Yes. And so in order to revoke that and take it from me, they have to do that on with big armies. They're gonna pull your officer rank? Mm-hmm. That's how they'll separate me. So basically, they're gonna convene a board of officers that have all ordered their subordinates to take the COVID vaccine to then judge me on what I have done. And and basically they'll say you've lacked good order and discipline, you're not a good soldier, and so you're not a fit for us anymore. And they'll give me a discharge status. I I am not holding out hope at this point that they're gonna retain me, although that is my goal.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:48

I would that was my next question. If you could stay in the army right now, would you?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:52

Yes, the military needs principled, honest, good people more than ever. 100%. And flying the Apache is badass. Like I that's what I want to do. Like it was a childhood dream, and I pursued it and I achieved it, and I was willing to sacrifice that to do the right thing, and so of course I want to go back. Like I'd love to.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:10

Do you think it's just gotten to this point because they're just too stupid to realize they screwed up and they can't bend the knee? It's a pride thing. Yeah, they can't bend the knee to just be like, yo, our bad. Back to service, get back to your unit.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:23

Dude, I can respect people that just take a step back and be like, hey, we messed this one up. I'm we're sorry. What do we need to do? And I didn't do everything perfectly either. I've been very abrasive in the stuff that I've posted on social media, which is I'm banned from Utah Guard property. I don't know if I told you that. If I step foot on Utah Guard property, they'll arrest me and charge me with trespassing. It's this whole thing. Wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:48

You're in the Utah National Guard still currently, but you're banned from stepping on any US.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:56

I'm an insider threat, apparently. So a threat to what? They think I'm gonna come in and shoot everybody up and kill everybody. And anybody that knows me and knows my faith, like that is the exact opposite thing that I'm gonna do. What happened is you remember the the New Orleans attack? Yes. After that happened, I was so frustrated because that was something that they should have caught and seen coming, right? There was a lot of signs. And so I took to X and I voiced my frustrations and I said something along the lines of like, if you guys spent less time demonizing extremist Christians and paid attention to some of these real threats, maybe we could catch them and save some people before it happens. And I made a comment about that was about around the same time that that CEO got murdered, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pharmaceutical one.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:49

Yeah. And I said something along the lines of, I'm, you know, I'm not violent, I'd never do anything like that, thank God, because I know my shit cycles perfectly when suppressed. You know, and I I even prefaced it and said that Jesus would never want anything like that for me. So like if I could go back, I'd polish some of the things that I said in anger, you know?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:11

Act out of emotion.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:12

Absolutely. But like at some point you just get so frustrated with the things that you see. Yeah. You're just like, guys, get it together.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:20

Like, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:21

These people didn't have to die. And now I'm more of the opinion that that was probably planned. And you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:26

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:27

So my the way that I view these things has changed. But anyways.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:34

Interesting, man. So you I mean, it's such a bummer, like because the good ones always either get out or forced out.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:43

Yep, we need a culture change. Um and it starts with the officers on a personal level with the grunts with enlisted guys, they're awesome. Like and they've in the background been very supportive. Like when I wasn't banned and I was at drill, you know, they'd pull me aside and be like, hey sir, thank you.

Zionism, Secrecy, And Masonic Parallels

SPEAKER_05 1:37:03

So what's your message? I know you kind of gave a quick one in the beginning of this, but for for active duty members for all US active duty members, officers and enlisted, what would be a message to them about standing up for their rights and what they believe in?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:19

Yeah. Your oath you made to God, and he's gonna hold you accountable to it. So if there's ever a question, figure it out. Like you need to know what's going on. Don't just blindly follow orders. Like it doesn't take long to look up the regulations and make sure what you're doing is right. I love the movie Kingdom of Heaven. And King Baldwin says, even though the men that move you may be kings or men of power, like your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, I was ordered by others to do thus. Virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that. And that would be my message that God is real and you will stand before Him someday and answer for your life. And so make sure that you can give good answers. And they're like in that moment, you'll do anything you could to go back and change it. So just realize that that like what we do here in this life matters. And so don't just say, Oh, um, sir told me to do that. It's not gonna fly with God, you know. So that would be my message.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:32

Awesome. Let's get some lunch. You can probably get changed and get out of the cool the circus suit. And then we I we have some conversations about Mormons that I want to have because I'm fascinated by them.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:45

Yes, I have a very unique, unique faith journey for sure. All right, dude, let's go get a bite to eat.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:50

Cool. All right, we'll be right back.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:51

All right, bro. Part two. We're back. Yep. I feel 10 pounds lighter.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:55

Do you? Does that help like a little bit? That's close. Oh, I thought you meant to get it off.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:01

And I guess I'll do the spiel during this segment of the podcast. None of my opinions are reflective of the Department of Defense. I'm not gonna call it Department of War. That's my peaceful protest. Department of Defense, the Utah National Guard, or the U.S. Army. These are all DJs' thoughts.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:17

Well, the Department of War is so gay to me. I'm sorry, but when they came out with that, I was like, that's not that's and especially Pete. Like that dude's the biggest cheese dick of them all. I'm like, and cash patel. I'm like, there's no department of war. You guys are a bunch of dorks, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:33

Programming, right? 100%. They want that's they're trying to get us geared up for war, and we don't want that shit. It's all propaganda.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:41

It's part of the planting the seeds. I just wish people saw it. I'd like they came out with it. I'm like, why are why are we changing this? Like what what are what are war, war, war, war is hell.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:52

We we don't want to do we will. We'll we will. But like to celebrate it preemptively when we're in a Hopefully, kind of time of peace. I don't know if we are or not. But like, let's not do that. Let's let's call ourselves the Department of Defense until we're actually in a war and let's have Congress declare that war, by the way, like like the Constitution says. Never. You know?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:14

Well, as long as Israel pays for our politicians.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:16

Oh, the War Powers Act needs to be dialed back. It's just gets abused by both sides of the aisle. Oh, yeah. Disgusting. All right, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:25

Part two. Part two. Might just run it all as one, but Mormons. Let's talk to LDS. I just got crucified recently by the LDS community because of a recent guest that was on that went to a cult community in Mexico. Her parents dropped her off. And it was run by LDS members because I Googled the founders of this cult. Okay. And it says that they are Latter-day Saint members. So I put it on a post that it was run by members of the LDS church, and the Mormons went high into the left saying that that's not LDS, it's F L D S. Like screaming. I have them messaging me on every every single platform, literally like, you hate Mormons, you're trying to put a bat like it was something that like if I would have gone on and been like, yo, Mormons are a cult, 100% changed my mind, then I could see this. But I was like, these are the people that just founded this down there. I'm not saying they're part of the LDS community and in Utah. But if you Google these dudes, it's literally comes back at the LDS and they went psycho. So for me, when somebody is so triggered over one letter before Latter-day Saints, there's something more to this. And it's way deeper into, and I'm gonna say it, I'm no offense to you, 100% occult to me. Freemason shit. I think the Israel's involved in the church. If you want to follow the money, why is it one of the largest landowners is this church that we can't pull any numbers from this organization? Why am I hunting in the middle of nowhere? And there's a plot of land owned by the LDS Church, right? Yep. And this is things that have been like why do all of the Mormon communities and the the businesses all congregate together very Israel-like?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:31

Almost, yeah, it's almost like another group, huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:42:33

Okay, it's very very and I don't I'm not gonna filter any of this because this is this is gonna this is gonna spark some shit on the internet, but a lot of it reminds me of what's Israel in the Jewish community, of how they're very protective, very secretive. They have very secret things that go on inside the temples, the way that they communicate. There's a lot of strange things to me as an outsider, as a follower of Christ. Yep. I have a and people could say Christianity is a cult, 100%. Because that's the man-made side of it. I don't follow the religion, I follow the relationship with Christ that I have. That's who I am and that's what I believe. Whatever. Believe it or not, up to cool. I hope one day you find the peace and love and everything else that comes along with it. But when I look at Mormons, and I have a lot of friends that are Mormons, and I've had these conversations with them. I look I took Christianity, Judaism, Muslims, Buddhists. There's a lot of religions around the world. There's been thousands and thousands of religions. But there's a good chunk of them that I can look and be like, okay, I can see how people have bought into it. There's thousands of years of history, thousands of years of transcripts and artifacts, and just through the cultures and the and like you take an Orthodox Christian and they've never changed in thousands of years. So I could see how people get bought into these styles of religions. But then I look at something like Scientology, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jehovah's Witnesses, FLDS, and all the other branches that come off of it, and I look at them and I go, new. No, that's a cult. Like that is a hundred percent a cult. In my opinion, sorry, all my buddies and everybody that I work with that are Mormons. I know you're all gonna probably cancel me after this, but it's so crazy to me. So you grew up in the Mormon church. Yeah, the LD at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Is it s is it derogatory now derogatory, I can't say that word, now to call them Mormons?

Who Runs What: Evil, Institutions, And Agency

SPEAKER_00 1:44:42

They've asked not to be called that, which is crazy to me. It's the only good, in my opinion, I I actually believe in the Book of Mormon. It's the only good part about Mormonism, and they're seeking to distance themselves from it. And I get it because they teach a lot of doctrines that the Book of Mormon doesn't go along with. They say that they believe it, but my my Book of Mormon, I actually brought it, this is a first edition, reads quite a bit different than what they read every Sunday in in their meetings. And so they've they've they've gone back through and changed a lot of things. The first one that I caught, because I just recently got this first edition and I started studying it, and it's just opening my eyes. And the first one that I caught, which is crazy to me, because Mormons believe in a Godhead, okay? In a what? In a Godhead. A godhead. God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all three distinct, different entities. Okay. Okay. I don't believe that. I believe that there's one God, He's eternal, He is the Son, He is the Spirit. It's just one. And so the first thing that really jumped off the page at me, I marked it here somewhere. This this verse in the Book of Mormon is prophesying about Mary, the mother of God. And it says, And this and the angel said unto me, Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the eternal Father. If you open up one of the LDS versions of the Book of Mormon, they've changed it to behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:14

So this is another big thing for me. How do you have this religion that's built and you're able to just change things due to whoever's in charge? Because you guys have an elder that's kind of like the Pope of the Elder, the prophet, that's living.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:32

So you have a living prophet. And he has all the authority to speak on behalf of God and make these changes and teach things and tell his members to get vaccinated with the COVID-19 vaccine. Don't get me started.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:45

So that to me, right there, I'd be like, wait, we could just now we could have caffeine, but it can be cold.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:50

Oh, we're able. Okay. Oh, this is a topic that I'd like to ask you. We're gonna have a million I'm gonna have a million questions.

unknown 1:46:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:57

Blacks. Blacks in the Mormon church. Until recently, blacks have been looked down upon, correct? Yes. We're not allowed into the temples.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:06

Yes. And couldn't hold priesthood, couldn't have any kind of status. Brigham Young was extremely racist. Yes. Whether or not Joseph Smith was racist, still there's not really enough historical evidence to determine. Okay. There's been some uh instances where they say that he ordained a black man to the priesthood, and so he's not supposedly a racist. When was that added in? Um It was just history that they found later. But Brigham Young, dude, that guy was a monster. There's no way in hell that man was a prophet of God. Like, have you watched uh American Frontier?

SPEAKER_05 1:47:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:40

I'm a Mormon and I think it was worse than that.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:43

Well, nobody talks about the Mormon massacre either. That's a hidden, that's a hidden and all, and I'm not just throwing shade on that. There Christianity has their dark ends, Muslims, everybody has their but this was pretty recent. We're not talking the crusades, we're talking pioneering the country, traveling across country, and the Mormon massacre happening.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:03

And mind you, this book says that those people they massacred are God's chosen people.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:08

But the new version doesn't?

SPEAKER_00 1:48:10

Nope. It says that, but they just they, you know, they're they're the good guys always, these savages. We gotta get rid of them so we can establish our Zion. That's the crazy thing about uh modern day Mormonism, is it's almost as Zionistic as Israel. Explain. It's crazy. Like they believe that Zion's gonna be established, and and it's it's it's hard because that is biblical. Like you will find scriptures that describe Zion, but God establishes Zion. It isn't people, it isn't Brigham Young, it isn't Benjamin Netanyahu, not a prophet. Like God will decide when he establishes Zion. And so that's yeah, it's complicated.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:52

So who wrote the original book?

SPEAKER_00 1:48:55

So if you're a believer in the Book of Mormon, the person that abridged this, it's so think of it like it's a Bible, but it's happens in the Americas instead of over in Mesopotamia.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:08

Okay, so I guess let's just get into the history of Mormons. Correct me if I'm wrong. Mormons believe that everything happened here in the United States, correct?

SPEAKER_00 1:49:22

No, that one didn't a small group of Mormons probably believe that. Yep. Because uh okay, so I guess you could just you educate me on that part. Alright, so here's the basic crash course for the Book of Mormon. Um, it starts at the reign of King Zedekiah, right before Babylon comes and destroys Jerusalem and takes the Jews into captivity. Okay. What happens is this guy, Lehi, is called of God and he becomes a prophet, and he starts preaching to Jerusalem and saying, Hey, you guys gotta repent or Babylon is gonna come and destroy you. Well, they reject him, they make fun of him, and ultimately they're gonna try and kill him. And God warns them in a vision, hey, get your family out. You've done what you need to do, I'm taking you somewhere else because Babylon's coming, and I want some of my chosen people to be okay. Okay. And so they they journey into the wilderness, um, they spend quite a bit of time in the wilderness, and then they go back in secret to obtain a version of the Old Testament known as the brass plates. So there's a guy of high status in Jerusalem named Laban. He's not a religious guy, he's just uh probably like genera generation wealth, right? And he has this version of the Old Testament, the five books of Moses, everything up until Zedekiah, all engraven on brass plates. And so through stratagem and and some crazy stuff that happens, they're able to get these plates from Laban, take them with them to the into the wilderness because they need scripture in order to start a new society, right? Without a written history and your beliefs, you can't go very far. So they had um a version of the Old Testament that they took with them. So then the son of this prophet Nephi, he kind of he he has his encounter with God and believes that his father is a prophet, and so he kind of becomes the leader at that point because Lehi kind of he kind of questions God and gets punished and and it isn't quite as faithful, right? Kind of like David, you know. Um and so Nephi is instructed on how to build a ship, and they come to the Americas and they establish a civilization, and his brothers hate him, and they become separated, and um it just goes on from a history from there of the prophets and everything that that supposedly happened here on the North American and South American continent. The exact location is debatable. There's people that believe that it happened up in the Great Lakes region, there's people that believe it happened in Central America where like the Aztec temples and stuff are, and so it's there's not enough evidence or detail in this record to be able to really pinpoint the exact geography of where it occurred.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:02

So you follow the Book of Mormon, but you don't consider yourself a Mormon. Are you a Christian Mormon?

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SPEAKER_00 1:52:14

It depends on what your definition of Mormon is. The original definition of Mormon back in the day when all this happened was somebody that believes in the Book of Mormon. It's now changed into like you're a follower of the LDS Church and you believe in, you know, some of these things and polygamy, and they'll say, No, we don't practice polygamy. Well, they they still believe that it happens in the eternities and that we have a number of heavenly mothers along with our heavenly father, which the new prophet that just came up, the other one died. He's openly preaching this concept of a heavenly mother, and I will challenge him directly. That's heresy. Like that it's not there's not a single scripture in either the Bible or the Book of Mormon that supports that. And that's the Book of Mormon does say that false prophets will rise up and they will teach doctrines that are pleasing to the ears and popular, and you know, the feminists they they want to have their mother god too, but it's it's heresy. Like we we can't put God in a box, he you know, he's all powerful.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:12

So how do you like I'm I'm just trying to figure out your position because so you don't fall under the LDS church, but you still believe in the Book of Mormon, but you believe in Christ.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:24

Correct.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:25

Why not just absorb the Bible that's written by well, not written by Christ, but all the books that are combined combined about him. What's the what's so significant about that versus the Bible?

SPEAKER_00 1:53:38

The short answer is the Nicene Creed. Um that's when a bunch of guys that I don't believe were inspired got together and decided what they were going to and were not going to include in the Bible, so then that they could create a church and it would be a top-down power type dynamic. Okay. And so you lose things like the book of Enoch, yes, which is what everybody needs to read today to understand the spiritual war that we are in. Fallen angels and everything. Yes. So the Book of Mormon says that when the when the Bible came forth out of the mouth of the Jew, it was perfect, and that thing things were taken away and changed and manipulated, and so now it's not completely um perfect anymore. And I'm going through it right now. I'm still on my faith journey. I like to say the saying, I won't speak for future DJ, right? For sure. Because everybody's allowed to, you know, figure out different things. With you. So right now, what I'm big into is I'm trying to figure out Paul. Okay. Because there's a lot of people that I'm listening to and following that are like, Paul doesn't teach the same gospel that Jesus does. And I'm like, you know what? When you really break it down, that's true. And you get into topics like um grace, you know, that all you got to do is is declare that Jesus Christ is your savior, you're in and uh accept him and you'll be saved. But that's not what Jesus taught. He taught, yeah, you need to do that, but then if you love me, follow me, keep my commandments, endure to the end. And so there's like grace is a grace, but it should change you in a way that now you're going to change your life and follow Christ, not use it as an excuse or a cop out to be able to sin. And that's what I wanted to, that was one of the things I wanted to say in the last segment when we were kind of touching on lukewarm Christianity. That is a telltale sign. If you are in your moment of sin and you justify it in your mind and you th and you say to yourself, Thank God for Christ's grace that I can do this and I'll repent later, you are so much worse off than somebody that does not have Christ in their life. Why? Because you're abusing his grace. Okay. Does that make sense? You're justifying it in your mind. And what that does is it gives the enemy power over you. We kind of talked about it yesterday. It's a concept called legal right. Satan has a certain degree of right to tempt you, to make your life hell. The original one was Adam's sin, right? He he fell in the garden, and because of that, all of us are tempted to a certain degree. That's the original sin and the original legal right that Satan has over humanity. And as we as we drift farther and farther away from Christ, his power over us also increases. Satan's does. For sure. And so at some point you have to break this pattern and come back to Christ. And then the more that you follow Christ and his commandments, the less power over you that the devil has. And so that's kind of the dynamic there.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:37

So where did you start in the Mormon church?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:40

So I grew up in it, I was baptized at eight, just like all the other little kids. Wasn't a decision really that I made for myself. I didn't understand it at the time. Um, I now believe that if Christ was baptized as an adult, that you that's probably when you should do it. And it's a serious commitment that you are like, hey, not only am I getting a remission of my sins, but like I'm starting my ministry. I'm taking up my cross and I'm gonna follow Christ. So I think we've kind of made baptism cheap, and especially in in the Mormon church and the LDS church, that it's become just like a ritual and it's lost all its power. And it even says in the Book of Mormon that baptizing little children is is not good. And I eight years old is still You don't know anything. It's you're still a little kid.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:29

Yeah, absolutely. I get it. Like our little one, she's super into her faith right now, and I've see other little kids, but it's just far as the development. But if she was going and wanted to and asked, there's no way I would ever say no to it. Absolutely. I feel like you could always redo it and uh along to your lines, I know it's a very serious thing. Um, and people come and go, their their faith is strong and then fades away, and they might want to be able to do it again. But I I don't think you should ever if a child comes to you with it, I'm one of the like my parents are very against it because it's a very serious thing, but at the same time, like what I wouldn't if some if a child came and wanted to be baptized, it's turned them away. That's you're crushing the momentum that they have.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:11

But it's to have a structured culture where if you don't get baptized at eight years old, the other kids are gonna look at you weird, like, what's wrong with you? We all do this, you know. That's not right. Like it should be on a personal level with everything. And that's the problem with organized religion in general. For sure. You lean on others, and you what you need to do is find the I'm not an apologist whatsoever. If you're, you know, you have your map, I won't make you read the Book of Mormon because that's something that I believe in. I want you to follow the path of faith that you drink from the most pure fountain of God that you possibly can. And if the Book of Mormon is gonna mess that up for you, then I just read the Bible. You know, I want you to have that connection with God, whatever works for you. And so um for me personally, it starts that's kind of where it started. I was going to church and I was seeing these people that it I I describe a lot of people, not not all of them. There's a lot of really I want to make that very clear, there's a lot of really great people in the LDS church. Sure. Some of the kindest, most giving, wonderful people. And then you have others that it's like their personality and it's a culture and it's a status, and they want to be in important positions, and they look down on others because they know more about the scriptures. And so I refer to those as modern day Pharisees. Like that's exactly what they are.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:32

100%. And that's it all, it's in the Christian church, it's everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:36

So um, but yeah, so my personal theology, so I can explain it for Mormons, because they're all probably like, what the freak? Yeah, how how does he justify this? So I don't believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:47

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:47

I I believe that he was a man that God chose and gave a religious artifact. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:53

Is this the stone?

SPEAKER_00 1:59:54

Yes, the part that everybody makes fun of. That's what I believe in.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:57

Okay. So you believe in the magic stone? Yep.

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SPEAKER_00 2:00:00

Believe in the magic stone. Interesting. And like if you think about that in today's context, like with technology, it's not that wild. You know what I mean? We can translate anything on our phone, and God's not bound by time. Like He could give anybody whatever He wants to give them, right? And we believe in the Ark of Ark of the Covenant. Like religious artifacts are not something that don't exist.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:23

Where did this artifact come from?

SPEAKER_00 2:00:25

So it it was given to Joseph Smith by an angel, and I know all the Christians are like, the scripture. If an angel appears to you and presents a different gospel, my argument is it's not a different gospel. You won't find if you read the first edition of the Book of Mormon, you won't find anything that contradicts the Bible. It's all it it'll it'll support it.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:47

Is that where a lot of Mormons say that we worship the same God? To me, that bugs me. Because I feel like we don't. I feel they have different beliefs, but they try to fall under the blanket of Christianity of God. And they just they they tr I don't want to say it's almost like they try to solidify themselves, but if you truly start breaking down the book, it's not because they don't follow the scripture because there's a lot of scripture that goes against what God said, where he came, what he did.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:23

It literally s calls polygamy an abomination. And the first, you know, however many hundred years of the Mormon church was polygamy. Like they'll say, we don't do that anymore, but like that doesn't change the fact that it was an abomination and God called it an abomination.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:37

But it still goes on, they just put a different title on it because it's after this life. So you take Orthodox Christians and then you have the LDS Church, but then you have all the trickles because if if a Mormon doesn't really agree with what they're doing, they just branch it off and put another letter in front of the LDS church, and then that means they don't follow under the LDS church, but they kind of follow it, but they're not, which I get a lot happens with Christianity, and you have all the not denominations, non-denominations, everything that goes on with them. But when I hear these kids that are on their mission saying that they worship God, they're not worshiping the Almighty. They have a different version of it, but they claim that it's the same, correct?

SPEAKER_00 2:02:18

Yeah, it gets it gets diluted. Like it's it's hard, it gets confusing, and that's kind of the enemy's tactic. Like he mingles truth with lies and gets people to trip up. I mean, the Book of Mormon is clear. There's one God, He is Jesus Christ. Like, there's not three separate beings, there's not mothers in heaven. It's very clear. Um, but anyway, to get back to the Joseph Smith thing, I he did not write the Book of Mormon. I don't believe that. I believe that he translated it and he used the power, a gift from God to be able to do that. And as soon as he surrendered that religious artifact back to the angel is when his connection with heaven ceased. And so what you have then is this guy that's produced something interesting, right? Something that's you know holds a lot of um value for people. And so they put him on the pedestal instead of worship no man no man. Exactly, instead of the Book of Mormon and its content. And so basically from there, he just succumbed to pride like many others before have, and you know, pretended to be a prophet when he wasn't. Um most Mormons won't know this, but they changed one of the early revelations in what's called the Doctrine and Covenants. Back then it was called Teachings and Commandments, and what he received through the stone from God, it says, My servant Joseph should pretend no other gift other than to translate the Book of Mormon. Period. That was the end. Now they've gone back and changed it, like they changed a lot of the scriptures to say until the translation of the Book of Mormon is completed, and then he can, you know, start doing his thing and establish a church. That's not what God told him originally. And the the Mormons have a really bad habit of going back and changing things after the fact to fit their current narrative. And that's why there's so many confusing things about like caffeine. Why can't you drink caffeine? When the original pioneers, Brigham Young, said you have to have coffee to travel west. It's one of their acquired items. You need to have that when you go west. And the word of wisdom, you can't drink. Well, what then why did Brigham Young have a distillery in Salt Lake City?

SPEAKER_05 2:04:39

Why did Brigham Young have Moulton stealing ranchers' wives and after murdering the husbands and collecting women as he traveled? Yep. But they hide that type of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:49

Exactly. And that worked for many years, but now we're in the information age where everything's accessible. You can you can do a search on the internet and you can find these historical documents that have been archived, and it's not anti-Mormon propaganda like they're facts. It's facts. It's verifiable, true facts. And so that's and I get it. Like you grow up in this very strict, very rigid culture, and and especially if you're like me and you believe the Book of Mormon, you have a hard time. Like, how how do I explain this? I know this is true, but everything else is a lie. So where do I go with this? The Bible. You go to the Bible. Yeah, you can go there. So what the cool thing about my theology is it will be very easily disproven. Okay. The Book of Mormon prophesies that the brass plates that I told you about that they took for from Jerusalem in the latter days will come forward, and it will confirm our Old Testament and add to it. It will be a version of the Bible that's more ancient than anything we ever had, and it will prove the veracity of the Old Testament. This is what you're waiting on. And it will be so cool because we'll be like, oh, look, here's a historical artifact that proves that what is written in our Bible is true. Plus, we're gonna get the Book of Enoch back, we're gonna get everything that they took out in the Council of Nicaea, all that stuff, I believe will be returned.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:18

But don't the Mormons kind of have a little bit of a blip on the radar when it comes to artifacts and people just making up random shit?

SPEAKER_00 2:06:26

Yes. One in particular is the Salamander letter. That one's fun. Have you heard of that one?

SPEAKER_05 2:06:32

I don't know if I've heard of I'm speaking of a guy that had these artifacts that were given to him and then come to find out they debunked it all and it was all just fake and he That's the Pearl of Great Price, and that was Joseph Smith.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:41

Yeah. Okay. He supposedly translated after the Book of Mormon, after he lost his gift. The this traveling salesman comes through with stuff from Egypt, and they're like, Oh, Joseph, translate. And so he publishes another book of scripture, supposedly based on this, and then later they translate it, and it's all BS. It's not real.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:04

But they still worship him. Follow him.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:07

They'll s yes, follow. They don't worship him, but they follow. Yeah. So and then the one I mentioned happened more recently. This was like, I want to say in the 80s. A psychopath um tricked.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:21

Okay, this is the one I was talking about.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:22

He tricked the leaders of the church into thinking that he had a verifiable historical letter written by Joseph Smith that talked about one of his visions and that it was actually like a fiery salamander. And so they go through the trouble of negotiating with this guy because they're gonna try and buy it from him so they can hide it, so they can put it deep in the archives of the church, and nobody will ever hear about it because it's not good to Joseph Smith. Well, comes to find out, like they've been buying these supposed um letters from this guy, and he's been forging them the whole time. And he has a finally a mental breakdown, and like I can't remember if he like planted a bomb at the place that he was working, he killed some people, and so at some point you you have to like be like, if you're a prophet, how are you falling for this?

SPEAKER_05 2:08:13

How are you falling for this grifter that's just you know a crazy ass dude that's just literally writing letters and burning the edges of paper and giving them to you?

SPEAKER_00 2:08:22

And that hurt me because the uh Gordon B. Hinckley, he was the prophet when I was a kid, and I loved him. He's he was a really kind man, really well spoken. And I find out that he's one of the guys that gets tricked into all this, and I'm like, what? You know, and so, anyways, that broke my heart. So it's not I don't have animosity and hate for the church. I I hate what it's become and I want to see it return.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:47

Return to what? I mean, it's all it I don't want to say it's all been built off of false prophets and false beliefs in history, but like what are you falling back on? If it's not the Bible and not just this, the Book of Mormon. Okay. Yep. But if there's a whole generation that is not reading the original book and they're all following the s Gen 2 Gen 7 at this point, probably, yeah. Like that, those are the questions to me, like as Americans or just anybody that's following the LDS religion. I just don't know how people grasp, like if they were coming out and changing things in the Bible and and they were just like rewriting things, I'd be like, this is a huge red flag.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:32

Yep.

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SPEAKER_05 2:09:33

You're talking thousands of years, and now all of a sudden, like we're just gonna like implement something new because times are changing. That's that's where I get this huge cultish feeling is when you're easily manipulated, and then people are just able to like, oh hey, by the way, this is legal now. Hey, we're gonna pull back on this now. Oh hey, we're allowing everybody to do this now, and you're just like, wait, yeah, God is God doesn't change. And what's been written for thousands of years doesn't change. Absolutely. Yep. So that's why it's like for me, it's like, and that's where my question is to you. It's like, why not just pick the Bible up and study the Bible?

SPEAKER_00 2:10:08

Yeah, just that promise that some of it's been taken out, and so I understand that.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:13

Yep. Um but if you look at how many correlations through transcript over thousands of years through people that aren't connected, you've seen that picture of the rainbow, right? How do you argue that?

SPEAKER_00 2:10:23

Oh, I definitely believe that the Bible is divine. Like I I read it every day. I'm in Revelation and Isaiah right now. Awesome.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:29

Okay, okay, okay. So, and that's where okay, that's why I was asking like if you're believing this, how do you not believe the Bible? No, I definitely believe it. But then in reading the Bible, how is the Bible not opening your eyes up? Or is that pretty because I have I have not read that. I really should because of I'm getting deeper in this, especially after being attacked by the LDS. You gotta put your money where your mouth is now. For sure. And I have to be I have to educate myself because it was just a couple of weeks ago, but I was like, oh, okay. And then the light bulb was like, oh. Yep. That's suspicious. So that's what got my gears turning.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:58

Yeah, the argument that they made is weird though, because they said it they said it was owned by the F L DS, not the LDS. Yes. Wasn't the Utah one ran by LDS people for sure? Yes. One that they did the documentary about? Yes, and this weird thing where they deflect, like, oh, that's not us.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:14

That's that's my that's a huge problem that I have with Mormons. Whenever they have something that doesn't shine light perfectly on them, and they're these perfect little Mormons, they're like, not us. Yeah, that's one of our other branches.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:25

Okay, sorry I got it confused. You guys, there's like a hundred different types of you now, so forgive me. Yeah, they gotta cut some people some slack. Like, if if you're ever gonna invite people to try and to to taste this and see if it's any good, I love Matthew 7. Okay. By their fruits you shall know them. And so this is a fruit that I love, dude. I find it delicious. And so it's just weird to me that they just get all defensive and it's very telling because there's none of the temple stuff in here. There's nothing good said about polygamy in here. There's nothing in here that says you should be an organization that hoards billions of dollars. Hordes that you're hiding.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:05

Uh-huh. Okay, so I guess my next question is what is the major difference? And then I'd like similarities, but what's the difference between the Bible besides the book of Enoch? And there we all we know that there's been scrolls that have been removed uh from the Bible, right? That's not any secret. What's the difference between the original Book of Mormon and the Bible?

SPEAKER_00 2:12:29

Like doctrinal differences? Yes. Because it obviously it takes place in two different distinct regions. Yes. But doctrinal differences, you'll be hard pressed to find any if you read the first edition. Okay. If you read, I I have a saying, if it's blue, it isn't true. Their version of the Book of Mormon, you've seen it. The the elders will give you one for free. They'll love to give you one for free, but it's blue. And so my little saying is if it's blue, it isn't true. Um I testify that God got it right the first time. There was no need to go back. It's holy scripture. It's either scripture or it's not. So you're saying that was written by God? Yes, by prophets of God, not by Joseph Smith. And here's here's the other thing that I'll say. If you read this, you will come to a place where you either have to admit that it is scripture or admit that Joseph Smith is the greatest writer of the 19th century, better than Charles Dickens. Because if you read this and then try to tell me that a 24-year-old wrote this, like it's huge. And it's that's your way you're banking on. Oh, no, I know it's true because I've had experiences with it, and I it's like with the Holy Spirit. But for anybody to be like, Yeah, Joseph Smith wrote that, I'm like, dude, have you met a 24-year-old? They can barely write a college paper, let alone an entire volume of scripture that's like super in-depth with accuracy in the region of Jerusalem and prophecy, and it's crazy. Like where did he get all of his information then from uh gold plates? So he So it all goes oh not the brass plates? Nope, the brass plates are different. The gold plates are a mini-version of that that's supposed to come out later.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:15

This is where I have doubt. It's a lot. You're you're in hopes that it's going to come out later. Oh yeah, you gotta have faith. That's what this that's I have faith in God, but I don't have faith in a man telling me.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:26

You have faith in the Bible too, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:14:28

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:30

So absolutely. But I mean, back to the transcripts, I mean the connections through thousands of years, and people I mean, it's just it's so hard to argue that, and there's never been a scientific discovery that's ever debunked anything major in the Bible.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:43

Absolutely. Besides the fact that they omitted entire books, right? 100%. Because there are references in the Bible that's like one prophet's quoting another prophet, and we're like, oh, we've never heard of that prophet. Where's that book, right? So it's clear that it it it can't be complete. We know that just because of the Apocrypha.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:00

Do you lean on that more because you believe that there hasn't been anything removed from it? So that's more trussing to you than the Bible.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:07

Well, not necessarily because even the original version, the the transcript, so first they wrote it down by hand on paper, right? And then they sent it to the printing press to make this. That original part that they wrote everything down on has gone missing. And so, like, you can't take you don't have a first source even with the Book of Mormon. So, like, there are potential errors in here because I can't go back and see because the guy that that printed this, he was just copying from these pieces of paper, and it's very easy to make a punctuation mistake or you know, not understand something, or miss a line. And but now we can't go back and check because we don't have the first first first edition that would where it was handwritten. I think uh two-thirds of it was destroyed like from water damage, and so there's only parts of it that we can even see to verify that yeah, that what's typed here is what they supposedly wrote when Joseph translated it.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:09

So do you think the LDD LDS, do you think the LDS church is a cult?

SPEAKER_00 2:16:14

Um yes, I think it's a Masonic cult.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:17

Why explain?

SPEAKER_00 2:16:18

Uh because of my experience in the temple.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:20

What was your experience?

SPEAKER_00 2:16:21

Uh secret handshakes, secret passwords.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:23

Like what?

SPEAKER_00 2:16:24

Um it's all Masonic. It's the same thing. It's like this is the sign of the what whatever, and it's just none of it speaks Christ to me.

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SPEAKER_05 2:16:33

How are you exposed to those and most Mormons aren't? Because a lot of Mormons will argue that.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:37

Um most Mormons do go through the temple. And that that I went through that that time, and after that I was like, this is weird, I don't want anymore. So I haven't gone through any potential more advanced stuff because it was always weird to me. But it's clear to me just from what I was exposed to that it's not of God.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:55

What do you mean the temple? Because obviously they have you guys have temples everywhere. Yep. Are they all the same, or is there like one temple that you're speaking of?

SPEAKER_00 2:17:01

They're all the same. The programming on the inside is all the same, it's all the same rituals and practices. And I will declare that Christ doesn't do anything in the dark.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:13

Like never.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:14

He never asks you to keep a secret. He never says you can't share something. So secret societies all come from Satan. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:23

So you can't argue that. So if you're secretive and you're hiding, it's not from God.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:29

Yep. At times Christ used discretion. He said, Hey, don't tell people that I raised Lazarus from the dead, and they didn't listen anyways, yet, because it's not time, but he never said, Hey, you can't talk about this, or like, I'm gonna tell you secrets. Like, no, he's he's open. Everything happens in the light with Christ. And so if you ha if you're in an organization that has secrets that tells you you're not to reveal this to the general public because we're special, because we're better, because we know better, because they're dumb. You're in a cult. Like secrets are of the devil.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:05

What else was going on? I mean, well, how old were you when you were you were you when you were in the temple?

SPEAKER_00 2:18:10

Um, that was before I went on my Mormon mission. So I did a Mormon mission to Argentina. Okay. And I loved that. I loved meeting people and teaching Christ to them to the extent that I understood it. Obviously, I didn't have everything right, but I was still in the best way that I could be inviting people to Christ. And so I wouldn't go back and not do my mission. I loved it.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:33

Do you think on a mission, are you inviting people to Christ or are you inviting people to open their wallets to the church?

SPEAKER_00 2:18:43

I was inviting people to Christ, and I had a little riff with my leaders because for them it was all about numbers. Like we have to baptize this many people this month. And I'm like, what if there's not that many people that are ready to accept Christ in their journey? Like, you can't quantify the work of the Lord. Like, we may work this entire time and not get anybody to accept Christ. Like that's their decision. So, how are we going to impose numbers? Like, we have some number that we have to achieve. And so, like, there's different indicators that tell the leadership whether a person is ready to get baptized and join the church and pay tithing and do all this stuff. And for me, that always rub me the wrong way. I'm like, that's not what this is about. We're supposed to be inviting people to Christ and having them help them change their life. And if that takes 10 years, it takes 10 years. Like, why are we in such a rush to dunk this guy underwater? Like, we want we want that experience to be meaningful for people, right? We want it to change their life. And for them, it was all about numbers, numbers, numbers. And I realize now looking back, it's because it's a corporation, it's not a church. Numbers we need numbers. We so they're reporting to their higher ups, you know, this is how I did, you know, my mission. We've baptized yay, many thousand people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they're all competing because they want to become general authorities and become, you know, make more money. And that's what I didn't understand. I thought all of these uh the leaders of the church, the corporate church. So when I was growing up, I thought all these old guys they retired and they just did this because it was the Lord's work. Well, then somebody leaks that these guys are making 400K a year, and critics will be like, well, that's not very much for a corporate position to manage. And I'm like, dude, Christ sent his apostles with he told them, don't take an extra cloak. Like, if you want to be about the Lord's work, you can't be taking money because that's a vice that Satan can then use against you.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:41

Aaron Powell Well, then they're also living in a mansion up on the front overlooking Salt Lake in their half million and a half dollar home.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:50

And it bothered me severely because after these poor third world members get baptized, the goal is to go to the temple, right? Because if you want to go to the highest degree of heaven, you have to go through the temple and learn these secrets and all this stuff. And so these people are spending their very life savings to be able to travel across sometimes, you know, to different countries to be able to go to their the closest temple to them. And they're already living in poverty, like they barely can do their day-to-day, they're hungry. And these people are feeding me because they think they're getting blessed from it. And I'm like, I don't want to eat your food. Like, I have the means to be able to go get some food, but they've been gaslighted. Oh, if we bless the bless the servants of the Lord, then we'll be blessed. And I hope God blesses them for that good intention that they have. But it makes me sick that they build temples based upon how many tithing payers live in that area. So it has nothing to do with salvation. If temples are truly about salvation, they would evenly distribute them throughout the world so that people can travel to them and receive their sacred ordinances. The reason there's so many temples in Utah is because that's where the most members are. That's where all the tithe money comes from. And really, it's just like it's it's just uh uh an empire of real estate at this point.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:11

Absolutely. And I don't know how people don't see this.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:15

It's and it's hard to try and wake people up to it because they'll just dismiss you as anti-Mormon, and I'm not anti-Mormon. I'm the Mormon. You guys don't want to be called that anymore. I believe in this. I'm the Mormon. And so you can't call me anti-Mormon. I guess you can call me anti-Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because it's not following Christ at all.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:35

Okay, so with that statement, do you look at it now as these kids on missions are now just leading people to hell? No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:43

I How do you figure? I think the Lord judges us based on our level of understanding. And so if you're trying to lead people to Christ, you're gonna be blessed.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:56

And but they're not leading people to Christ, they're leading people to the temple. That's where I'm saying. Like if they had good intentions and they truly believed in we'll just say the original Book of Mormon or the Bible, they're not leading people to that. They're leading people to Gen 7 of the blue book. So are they a fair argument? So are they truly leading people to Christ or are they leading people to the church to for their donations?

SPEAKER_00 2:23:21

That's a fair argument.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:22

And I know it's probably tough to hear that or ask be asked that because you truly believe you on your mission probably did good.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:30

But are they following that word or are they following the Bible?

SPEAKER_00 2:23:33

Right. And I hope the people that I helped, you know, understand that. That at the end of the day, do not care what the bishop in your ward says, do not care what the prophet says. Like your number one priority is your relationship with Christ, He tells you to do. But are they listening to take a COVID vaccine and God tells you don't do that, who are you gonna listen to?

SPEAKER_05 2:23:56

But how many people are listening to the God over a prophet?

SPEAKER_00 2:23:59

Exactly. In in the LDS church, it's it's very top-down, and they're it's follow the prophet. They're like parrots, follow the prophet, follow the prophet.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:07

And so But if you're following a prophet and you're idolizing a man, which we never do, in any circumstances you follow in worship and idolize anything besides Jesus Christ, you're not going to heaven.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:24

I hope Christ is merciful and he's not.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:28

You have to reach and you have to truly believe in your heart that you accept God, know that Jesus Christ walked the earth, paid for our sins with his blood, and if that's not what you truly believe, it's that's like the saying, Well, I'm a good person. I did good my whole life, I'm gonna get into heaven, but were you a believer in God? No, but I did good. What's the difference?

SPEAKER_00 2:24:52

I'll I'll use this example. Um there were two thieves next to Christ when he was crucified. 100%. And one accepted him, and Christ said, You will be with me in my father's kingdom, right? And I I reflect on that sometimes because you you have to wonder about the two different guys. There's one that obviously wasn't a believer that was actually even kind of mocking Christ along with everything that was going on. And then you have the other guy that didn't have it all right, but his heart was in the right place, you know. And when his moment came to accept Christ, he made the right decision. And so I have to be hopeful that that happens for everybody on an individual basis. And I don't understand everybody's path, and that's why I say I'm not an apologist. I won't beat somebody down and say, hey, you have to read the Book of Mormon. Oh, for sure. I want everybody to find their path because it's unique for all of us. But what's important is that you're drinking from that pure fountain. And I had a lunch with a pastor not too long ago, and he's like, Well, where does it stop? How do you hold yourself accountable? How do you know that you're not being deceived? And I'm like, Because, bro, I know what the Holy Spirit is. I'm not being deceived. And so um, that's what I would say. I think I be kind to those young men. They're they're still trying to figure out their crap too. Oh, for sure. And I'm very hopeful about this younger generation, dude. I see them in the gym, I see them, you know, off their phones, I see them trying really hard, uh, fighting porn. That's one thing I'm big on.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:24

I see a generation that's on fire for Christ. Absolutely. And I have high hopes for them. And so I'd never condemn them for the Book of Mormon calls it um following the foolish traditions of your father, you know. Everybody will they'll figure it out. If they truly are seeking Christ, he's gonna reveal himself in little ways along their path, and so that eventually they can they can figure it out. And that's that's that that was my personal experience too.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:51

Which I mean, yeah, I I I can see that like in because it doesn't matter where you are, what cult, religion, what you believe in, if you truly seek, you'll find. So I just but the problem is it's such an indoctrination from day one.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:07

Yeah, from a childhood in the LDS community, you are just brainwashed that and the problem is we touched on it lightly, but the more extreme and culty or you know, wild the belief system, the easier it is for Satan to then infiltrate and then manip manipulate you and use you for evil. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 2:27:27

So let me ask you this question. Do you feel that Satan runs the LDS church?

SPEAKER_00 2:27:41

Depends on definitions. Um we talk, we often talk about like a deep state in argument, right? Like there's something going on in the shadows, we don't know the people, we don't know who they are. I believe every organization has the same deep state. So do I believe that the current prophet is sacrificing children or doing satanic things? Probably not, but are there factions within the church that are doing those things? I know it for a fact. And it's perverse in the Mormon church because of their ties to Masonry. They're already a little bit more gullible than the average person, and this Masonic path is a slippery slope and they're conditioning you. It's 33 degrees, you know. So you're going path by path by path until finally they take you in a room and it's you need to do this right now or you're dead. Oh, I'm sure of it. Like we've taught you all these things. If you don't go all in now, you're dead. But if you do join, you're gonna have all this money and influence, you're gonna be part of our network. And so I think that it's very perverse in certain circles. Like Matthew 7, by their fruits. Look at Mormon talk or whatever, the mom talk. They're all swinging. These are the children. I believe that these are the children of the Masons in the church that are doing the perverse things because that trickles down to your children. You can't commit evil, and you're you know, it's an energy that your children are going to pick up on. And whether or not that they get involved in this specific evil, this evil trickles down into them, and it's generational trauma that they then manifest by being sexually perverse, by doing all these things. Like I just became aware of this Mormon guy that he impregnated seven women in Dallas. Okay, bullied two of them into getting abortion, one had a miscarriage, two they carried, have the child, and he's refusing to pay child support and threatening them with NDAs and lawsuits. And I'm just like, he grew up in the same church that I did. He's like about my age. How do you get to a point in your life where you fuck up that bad? Okay. You're spreading your seed, being totally irresponsible, and then instead, and when all of it comes to light, instead of being remorseful and doing everything that you can to try and fix it, you're gonna double down and you're gonna bully these women that you've destroyed their lives, you know, and threaten them, so you're gonna sue them. Like I I don't understand, having been raised in it, how somebody could be like that. Like he went on, I think he went on a mission, I'm not sure. So he he grew up like I did.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:27

He wasn't doing this on a mission.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:29

No, no, no. This was after.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:31

So I like I have and I don't know that he went on a mission. I know his parents were on a mission when when all of this happened, but so I have to wonder if I sh had the same like religious upbringing as this kid, what was different with him? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 2:30:47

Yeah, he, I mean, you could say that with like, dude, I mean you need to fall away and it doesn't mean he's still, but I that's where you hear a lot of Christians say they fell away from the church, they fell away from the religion, but you don't you're either Mormon or you're not, right? Once you leave, you you there's no going back. I feel with at least all I have so many friends that have left the Mormon church. Like, there's so many people that don't even talk about it that are like, oh, we used to be like I one of my really good friends was all like he left the church with his wife. Got to the point, he's like, It's too much for us.

SPEAKER_00 2:31:18

This is there's too much evidence.

SPEAKER_05 2:31:20

Yeah, there's just too much. We just something's off, we don't feel right with this, we're gonna take a break. Well, his daughter is time for her to go on a mission. He's like, Hey, we're not forced, we're not pushing our beliefs on you, but the church isn't right for us anymore. Go do your thing. We want you to find this and you do your path. Cool, right? I respect that.

SPEAKER_00 2:31:40

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 2:31:40

This was like his best friend. Baby girl, hunting partner, partner in crime. She comes back from this mission and disowns their whole entire family until he gets back into the church, won't even speak, associate, won't even come over for any holidays, nothing.

SPEAKER_00 2:31:59

And I ask, how does that help anybody? That's what I'm saying. If there's you're if you truly believe that this is Christ's true church and it's the one way that people can be saved, why on earth would you alienate people instead of like continuing to try and help them?

SPEAKER_05 2:32:13

That's like me sitting down and I can't have a relationship because you're a Muslim. Absolutely. Or you're a Buddhist, but we can't we can't even associate. My neighbors across the street called on the neighbors next door to us because they had a party and the neighbor the Mormons, because they're both Mormons, saw that there was alcohol and called the church on them.

SPEAKER_00 2:32:31

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:33

I'm like, to me, like this is this is the stuff where I'm like, you guys believe this stuff? Like you're ratting each other out, but then at the same time, I know what that dude's into.

SPEAKER_00 2:32:43

Like, we just at at some point you gotta step back and be like, what was Christ's message? That that's what it comes down to. Like, and how did we get this far away from it? Like, what are we doing? We're participating in this petty bullshit where we tattletale on somebody else. If you truly loved Christ and you truly believed the alcohol was gonna drag them down to hell, you'd be over there having a conversation witnessing to them, being like, I love you so much, I don't want this for you. What can I do to help you? You know what I mean? But instead it's like, I'm gonna shit on you. So I can, yeah, it's the LDS Church is very gossipy, it's very sad.

SPEAKER_05 2:33:20

What's something that's very dark about the LDS Church?

SPEAKER_00 2:33:23

Um, so and I I'll preface this and say it happens in every society. It's rampant in certain societies that are more extreme, okay? And like I don't think uh Muslims will get mad at me for saying that there's factions within Islam that are just as evil as this. And you know, the Catholic Church is notorious for a lot of the pedophilia and the issues that they've had. Absolutely. So I'm I'll preface it that way to say that I'm not attacking the members of the church, but the organization is set up in such a way that this evil is able to thrive in the darkness, and it's something called satanic ritual abuse. You've probably heard the term, it's starting to come out more. But basically, it's these Masons that I'll recommend a series to you that's it's called Predictive History. It's by a guy named Professor Jiang. He's uh from China, which I know a red flag, but he's really great. And he has a series called Secret History, the channel's predictive history, and and this series is secret history. Number four, five, and six talk about the origins of evil. And he talks about this concept called transgression. So you get deep enough into evil that you you don't want to get caught, and so you need to do things that are bad with one another so you know you can trust each other. Okay. Because if I tattletail on you, you're the masses are gonna come and cut your head off for the stuff that you're doing. But if we do it together, it's almost like this mutual destruction agreement that we have, and it gets deeper and deeper and deeper until I what I believe is when you become a 33rd degree Mason, it enters the realm of pedophilia, um, child sacrifice, because that's the ultimate evil that you can commit.

SPEAKER_05 2:35:12

Yep. Everybody on earth, they're purest children. The most purest form on this earth is children.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:16

And so when they do this, they actually gain power. That's this is one aspect where I disagree with Professor Jiang. He's he's he thinks it's pretended, but I know Satan's real, and so I know that they are granted power.

SPEAKER_05 2:35:29

And and so power and like position, or like power and spirit and everything. Force okay, all of the above. I believe the power part, but like is status, that type of power, where the eviler you are, the it's just like the music industry. Everything that's run by Israel and Jews right now, right? The even the more evil you are, the more power that you're getting by is fame, numbers, money, whatever it may be. That's the power that I see, but you feel it's actual like internal powers with these people.

SPEAKER_00 2:36:03

Yeah, everything definitely status, definitely, definitely monetary power and all these things. But like Satan does have dominion over the earth, and he does have the authority to grant you power just like Christ does. And so they're definitely doing these things for real reasons. The mat they do the this magic because it works. You know what I mean? They don't do it just because it's fun. But, anyways, um yeah, this is a huge topic. It's tough to get into because there's so many different ways that you can go with it. But yeah, I do believe that there are factions within the LDS Church that are participating in this, just like they are in every organization. Like evil is going to get in wherever it can. And that's how they have so much influence is they compromise, well, they recruit first, and if they can't recruit you, then they'll compromise you, and they'll say, Well, we we have videos of you doing this, and we know you did this, and you know you're cheating on your wife, and so play ball, and we will just keep it to ourselves, right? And so that's the way that Satan and this evil occult group that slithers in the shadow works, and it certainly exists in the LDS Church because of his extremism, just like it exists in certain uh walks of the Catholic Church and Islam and all these different organizations, the the enemy wants to get in anywhere he can. Like it's not this isn't a strictly Mormon problem, it isn't you know what I mean. And so I just want to make that very clear. But yeah, I do think there are some people within all organizations and definitely the LDS church that are participating in some really, really dark stuff. And you have to wonder like, how do you get to that point where you would like it? Sounds crazy, like somebody's gonna kill a kid, like it to me it doesn't sound crazy at all. From the but you're probably a little farther along on your journey and and kind of absolutely because if you look at the average person, it will sound crazy, but to a Christian, this is the way that I'll explain it. And I in the LDS church, I was always raised that Satan is doing this because he got cast out of heaven and he's butthurt and he's bitter, and he wants to make all of us miserable like he is. But I don't think that's the real reason. I truly believe that Satan believes that he can still win if he gets enough, if he steals enough of God's children away, he believes that God will capitulate and say, All right, Satan, you're now God. Free my children, I'll make you God like you wanted in the beginning, but please just let them go. That's what you believe? That's what I believe, and I believe that he tricks these people into believing that he is winning, he's gonna be the next God, and that by joining him we're gonna defeat the old God, the one that makes us do all the stuff that fall you have to follow the commandments, you know, it's all rigid, and it's it's like, no, he gives us these commandments because he loves us and he wants what's best for us. Like see, I don't think God could ever be defeated. I don't either, but they do. And they have these Who's they the occult. Okay. Yeah, the the deep evil whore of all the earth.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:09

I just think just like he flooded the earth, right? There's no denying that this earth has been flooded. And if anybody that's listening is like, oh okay, there's got just for the love of God, just research. I mean, you there's so many facts and scientific proof that this earth has been flooded. That's why why do you think they find dinosaur deposits? There's like hundreds of different species of dinosaurs pushed into pockets in mud, preserved in mud, like something shoved them, like trying to survive, like a tsunami pushed all of this into this deposit where you have turtles and birds and everything else, right? So along with river anyways, I would that's a whole other podcast is about the earth flooding. That's where I think it's just it's going to be an endless battle for the for the end to the end of time where God resets us again, where you know the rapture comes and all of that is when it gets to that. Point where where it got to before, where there was man and beast having sex, and they were creating the Nephilim. Nephilim. Yep. That type of shit. And that's when God looks down at us and goes, Yeah. Start over again. Like, let's try this again. Maybe we get a little thousand years out of this one, whatever. I truly don't. There's no way in my heart and mind that God will ever be defeated. You're, you know, but it's it's a battle. This is where it comes a good versus evil. You always have the evil, you always have the bad picking. That's the job of Satan is to pull us as far away from Christ as far as possible. And that's where it's like, that's where it's insane to me. Where I look at these people, like I have friends, I'm like, God, I just wanted like, bro, just how do you not see what I see? But at the same time, everybody's on their own journey. And it's a very ignorant thing to think like, oh, I'm and especially as a baby Christian and getting back into my faith again and everything, like I I don't put myself above anybody, like uh it by any means. I just I like to ask questions and have these things because in how my mind works, even if I wasn't a Christian and I was just looking at all of the religions, and I could just be like, cult, cult, cult, cult, cult. And that's why I I can't get into the religion of Christianity because any title has been placed by man, a church built by man. That's why all these people that are scorned by the church and they have these these daddy wounds, and they are they become an atheist, and they have these authoritative problems or or like resentment, they're never burned by God.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:43

Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:41:44

God's never burned you. He He's not gonna give you everything you pray for, He's gonna give you what you can handle, what's gonna help you grow, what's gonna help you become stronger in your faith. That's the that's the greatest part of chasing Christianity, is because you could pray all day long, and we say it all the time, like God has a sense of humor, and you might be on a definitely does if you look at my path, man. Exactly. So you that's but you know, and I want to like, you know, so I look at all the different ones, and it's like, and I could say it as a Christian. It's hard for me to want to sit here and be like, oh, I follow this religion, because when you're following a religion, to me, that's a cult. If you're manipulating people to do things, but instead it's like, oh, I have all of these facts, I have the Bible, I have everything all the knowledge that I can read and learn about. All you're asking me to do is just reach. I have to believe in my heart and and to to without a doubt, knowing that he sent his son down to die for us. Okay. That and I don't have to follow man, I don't have to follow things that are written and these rules and guidelines. And cool, it helps a lot of people stay in those boundaries. But when you start putting titles and names and positions and people of authority over other people, that's not religion, that's man. Absolutely, and that's where it's so hard for me to like look at Scientology, and I'm like, like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 2:43:13

Yeah, that's one I haven't even gotten into. I don't know anything about it, other than I love the videos of the guy that hangs out outside. You know what they do in there?

SPEAKER_05 2:43:22

Yeah, but that's how I look at the LDS. Mormonism, probably, yes. That to me, the Scientology is like me above LDS and the Mormons, only because they believe in aliens and space, but at the same time, and no offense, not throwing shit. You also believe in a stone, this magical stone, absolutely so, but it's not as bad as like thinking aliens are gonna come and we work for them and all the crazy shit the Scientologists believe in. So it's to me, I'm like, okay, like I just it's so there's there's so much, like, there's so many things that want to pull you away, there's so many things that want to suck you into, believing something different, and that's where it comes back to.

SPEAKER_00 2:44:04

What you're describing, it's just like I said before. I want everybody to find that the best connection that they can with God and whatever way of worship that works for them to get that, because when God's guiding you, you can't go wrong, you know what I mean? And so that's the key is to develop that relationship with God. For me, that's Christ. To develop that relationship with Him, let Him lead you and just watch the miracles that'll happen in your life.

SPEAKER_05 2:44:28

Um this is a question I have, not specifically for you, but just in general, as like a young baby Christian, right? You take that statement that you say, I just want people to follow Christ. So do an Orthodox Christian that follows Christ is he on the same path as somebody that's a Mormon Christian following Christ versus a Muslim that believes in Christ? Like, that's where like I have these questions where it's like, well, who's right? Right. Because if you're following Christ over here, is it the same path or are you fed something different? Do you know that this is from the Word of God, or are you this just makes you feel like this is from the Word of God because it was written by a man at certain point that some bush caught on fire and the the angel came out of the heaven and gave him a stone and he's eating mushrooms and whatever the fuck else these people are seeing? That's where me well, like I would like to sit down with like what's his name? Um God, he's a genius when it comes to everything. Christy, what's that guy that guy's name? Um, he's older. Um a little bit older. Anyways, he's he's one of the most intelligent human beings when he speaks about religion. I would love to ask him that question. Like, is there only one path to Christ? Or here you because it Bro, I like you, right? Like, but if I'm on the path of Christ, but then you're on the Mormon Christian path of Christ, do these do these get us to heaven? I guess is my question.

SPEAKER_00 2:46:14

We all eat to the same place or not?

SPEAKER_05 2:46:16

Or is the Orthodox Christian that's never detoured off of the original church through thousands of years, is that the path to Christ? I guess that's a question I have as a young baby Christian. Like, do I need to pull my friends that are believing in the Book of Mormon, believing in the Quran, but they're still believing Christ is the end goal? Like, that's this is where religion muddies the water because it's created all by man. So is it do we just fall on the Bible? Do we fall on our communication and our prayer to God? But if you're praying to God, is it the same God that I'm praying to? Like, this is where shit gets muddy for me. And this is where not that I have doubt, it's just I'm not educated enough to be like, oh, okay, like God Hoff, what is his name? Is it Stuart? No. Mom would know immediately. Stuart. I like him though. No. Is it his dad? No, he's a younger guy. I don't know. Mom, mom knows him, but yeah, so like those are like, you know, because if I have a buddy that I truly care about, and as a Christian, they our goal on in the flesh is to bring as many people to Christ as possible, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:47:33

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 2:47:33

So if So like how do we know if we're doing because then you got this little Mormon kid that he's been brainwashed his whole entire life and he's going door knocking and converting many people, but he he thinks he's doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:47:46

I'll refer you back to Matthew 7. Okay. Christ says, by their fruits he shall know them. So if you have a friend that's in his own walk with God and he's doing fantastic, you know, he's on fire for Christ, he's leading other people to God, helping other people. I would say probably don't try and disrupt anything that he's going on. Sure. Because in the end of that chapter, Christ says, There will be many that come to me and say, Hey, we prophesied in your name, we did miracles in your name, and he's gonna say, Depart from me, ye wick you you workers of iniquity. And that's terrifying. There's gonna be a lot of Christians that that happens too. Just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you're going to heaven. So at the end of the day, rely on the scripture that you know is true. And and I think everybody would agree that's a Christian, that you know, Matthew 7 is a really good one to depend on. When Christ says, you'll you'll you know, beware of false prophets, you'll know them by their works. My message to the people will be the Book of Mormon describes something called priestcraft, which is hilarious because it's rampant in the LDS church. Priestcraft is accepting money for doing the Lord's work. The Book of Mormon says that if you're gonna be about the Lord's work, you gotta sustain yourself some other way, you gotta have another job, and you're not profiting off of faith. Like you don't get paid to preach. And that's why I have such a problem finding a home, like a church, because community is important. We need to be raising each other up, witnessing to each other, sharing our testimonies, saying, Oh, this is what I learned in the Bible this week, you know, edifying each other. But if you're in a place where the the preacher in the back of his mind is thinking about how much tithing he's gonna get from this, you know. I'm with you. And it it it always starts with money and then it turns into sex, and then it power. And then, like what you said happened, people get hurt. And it and the saddest thing, and it's and it's terrible in LDS church, a lot of people that when their faith is broken, they throw the baby out with the bathwater. I see a lot of people that decide to lose the LD or leave the LDS church, they leave Christianity entirely. Like they're not even going to a non-denominational Christian church, they're not reading their Bible, they're just like, well, that was bullshit, so all of this must be bullshit. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 2:50:06

It's it breaks you got all that bullshit from man.

SPEAKER_00 2:50:09

Exactly. You're projecting an anger that is wrong because your God loves you. Like 100%. He's he's there, he's waiting for you to reach out, and Satan, you know, he infiltrates and he hurts people, and because that's that's his end goal is to just try and get as many to leave God as he can. Um so, anyways, I do want to talk a little bit about I'm trying to be an anti-porn activist.

SPEAKER_05 2:50:37

Okay, so this oh uh okay, yeah, this is a huge topic because clearly with who's running the porn industry, who's running the OnlyFans, where those profits are going, where the profits are going, who we're supporting, when we're watching porn and subscribing to OnlyFans, it's rampant. And and I'm very into this right now because I have daughters, one of them at a dating age. And it is this epidemic that is just consumed our young generation because we're giving these young kids phones at a very young age, and they're not responsible enough, trustworthy enough to not start Googling things. I know with the first I would have been like boobs, like at 10 years old if I had a cell phone, you know? So it is a massive problem, and it is consuming, and what it's doing is it is ruining passion. Purity pure thank you. Purity. It's it's maturing these kids years ahead of time, sex-wise, where they're watching porn and they're thinking that's normal, instead of and with porn, I've seen it with a couple of buddies of mine, starts out very I want to say I'm using air quotes real innocent, just normal man-woman porn. But for me, I think porn is one of those extremely abstract rabbit holes where you're constantly getting fed deeper and deeper and deeper, and before you know it. Get your high, and before you know it, you're into bestiality, you're in the kid shit, you're into those dark, dark holes. Absolutely. And it's terrifying, man, because it's destroying relationships. These kids don't know how to date, they don't know how to talk because they've seen how these women are treated. It's disgusting. And there's probably not too much information for her. I dated a woman in the porn industry when I was younger, and I got I thought it was the greatest thing in the world at that time. Until I got brought to these parties. And even as a young 20-year-old, I was watching how these men, because I was I was raised right, raised in a Christian home. I respect women. Like I I didn't know she was a porn star when I when we first started dating. I came out later, but I accepted it, whatever. It was like cool at the time. Now it's it's it's it would make me sick, right? Like just knowing that. But I would go to these parties, these not audition, there was just big group, they were just porn star at parties, right? And I'd watch how these women or these men would talk to them, and oh, that's why my wife, we've had this conversation, it leads a lot to this, and I've thought about it over the years because I don't have the porn demon. I've got my own demons, I don't have that demon, though. And I think a lot of it stems from watching how these women were treated, and it made me sick, like not filming-wise, just they're treated like animals, and as a as a young man, like that that's me made me sick and turned me off from the whole industry, just on like the level of property, yeah, is almost how they were treated. Like, yeah, but not good, like almost subhuman is how they're they were talked to, degraded, just it really turned everything off for me, and I think that helped a lot with my future of ever even getting into it because whenever I'd see it, that's where my mind would go. I'd be like, God, I know how this woman has been treated off camera. So, yeah, I would love to get into that because it's it is an epidemic in this country, in the world right now, because it's just so easily accessible. So, yeah, let's dive into that. Sweet.

SPEAKER_00 2:54:29

Yeah, there's at least one line in the Book of Mormon that you'd love then, because it says that God delights in the chastity of women. Um, and it's in the same section where they're talking about like uh uh polygamy. But if you don't mind, I'll open my Bible because I do believe in the Bible as well.

SPEAKER_05 2:54:44

Um You're a fascinating person.

SPEAKER_00 2:54:46

I'm wish I was the only person with the theology that I have that I'm aware of. I'm a weirdo. That's okay. Um so Revelation 17. Okay. I think a lot of people will agree that if we're not in the end times, it's coming fast, right? And in verse 2, it kind of describes something, and I know you're a baby Christian. I'm gonna ask you some leading questions. And if you don't get it, I'll help you, it's fine. But this is what it says in Revelation 17. It says, Um, come hither, I will shoe unto you the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon the many waters. And when I talk about this occult group, this evil, the Satanists, that's what I'm talking about. That's the name for it in Revelation, is the great whore that sitteth on the many waters. Like you have to imagine it's a a society that's infiltrated several different you know, countries, continents, it's all encompassing. It says, so describing the whore that sits on the many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication. So, like the leaders. Yeah. Kings are pretty rare nowadays, so we'll just translate it that into presidents, you know, or whatever. Uh so the k whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication. Okay. That's interesting. And the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So if there was a wine figurative, what would that be?

SPEAKER_05 2:56:24

A woman.

SPEAKER_00 2:56:25

Yeah. So we're talking about pornography. It describes it in the book of Revelation. This generation is drunk on pornography. 100%. Like totally. Like that's what this is describing.

SPEAKER_05 2:56:36

You have to also think that. I mean, it's the oldest profession in the world.

SPEAKER_00 2:56:39

Mm-hmm. It's it's one of the original tactics that Satan has used to subvert people and lead them astray. And so, like the thems, whatever, this this evil group has been, I feel like they're attacking me lately, you know, trying to destroy my career, trying to destroy my life. Like I had a pro-Zionist account on X post one of my videos and say that I was calling for a violent overthrow of the administration. I needed to be, and so I'm like, you know what, dude? I'm if you guys want to play like this, we'll have war. We'll have spiritual warfare. And so now I'm going after them. And I want this generation to understand that when you watch porn and masturbate, it does disrupt your personal life. Like there's there's costs, physical costs and emotional. But there's also a spiritual cost. Like these people are harvesting our life force when we do this. And people will say that's a little kooky. It's not. It's not. Like, we need to start seeing the spiritual side to this because this world is just as spiritual as it is physical. And we understand the physical part. We're like, oh, it's disrupting my relationships and my, you know, my endocrine system is messed up because I'm dope, I'm dumping all this dopamine. But it's deeper than that. Like this legal right that I talked about, when you engage in these activities, you're giving power to Satan over you. Absolutely. And then that's why it becomes a slippery slope. So you start with you're watching a girl masturbate, and then she's having sex, and then it gets darker and darker and darker, and it always ends in pedophilia. And the United States is the top consumer and producer. And producer of p pedophilic pornography. And that's absolutely disgusting. And so I want to make this topic no longer taboo. Like I would say the vast majority of people, and especially men, deal with this demon, and it's time that we start speaking about it. You know, like um, it's one of these sins that if you try and overcome it by yourself, it happens in the dark. And so you you can't always hold yourself accountable. Like when you're helping me lift this morning, you're like, oh no, no, no, right here. Flex this part, you know? And you're holding me accountable through all those reps. It's the same way with porn. And I I struggled with, you know, nothing really perverse, thank God. But I struggled with porn for a long time. And it wasn't until I asked my buddy, and I was like, hey man, I want to tell you about this problem so you can help hold me accountable and just check in from time to time and be like, hey man, how are you doing with your issue?

SPEAKER_05 2:59:21

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:59:22

Are you able to kick this?

SPEAKER_05 2:59:23

That's big, that's that's hard to do. Good for you.

SPEAKER_00 2:59:25

You have to have a very trustworthy friend, right? Because that's like, it's so embarrassing. It's a sin that happens in the dark and it's disgusting. And you you do it and you don't feel better. Like nobody's doing it, and they're like, Yeah, this is great. You know, I can't wait. They're urges that are very carnal that we don't enjoy. So that was a big thing for me. Um, the other thing that happened is um, I'm just gonna come out and say it. Like, I had a a model that I liked, a very a specific person that did these things, and um, she was, in my eyes, the sexiest. Woman alive. Okay. And so I had kind of built this relationship that I never that I knew I was never going to have. But it was like I liked this girl. And so I watched her. I was at Disneyland with my two small children. And I looked up, and guess who's waiting in the line ahead of me? It's this girl. And you'd think, oh, that's so cool. You've watched her, you've, you know, delighted in her image and what she's doing. Dude, it made me sick to my stomach because I saw her as a human being. You know what I mean? And I was abusing her. I, you know, I wasn't in the room, but I was partaking in what she's putting out. And she would never, she, you know, she's making good money off this, so she wouldn't care. But in front of my two small children, I'm like, damn, I'm a piece of shit. Like, I have got to kick this. And so that was huge for me. And I'm now celibate. Praise the Lord. It's been such an awesome journey. And dude, just the amount of confidence that you gain and the amount of more spirit that I can fill by, you know, terminating this legal right that Satan has had over me. It, dude, I'll recommend it to anybody. And open invitation to anybody out there that's listening to this that struggles with porn, add me on Instagram. Say, hey, I'm struggling with porn. I need an accountability partner. I will be that guy. Like you have to have somebody to help you get out of this.

SPEAKER_05 3:01:27

It is. It's very tough, man. And I feel once it gets its hooks in you with the slightest image. And that's why it terrifies me that these parents just give their children phones with full internet access. It's so terrifying to me because of how easily accessible it is and how social media just pushes it. I mean, I open up my Facebook not too long ago. There's a full image, AI image woman getting undressed, and I don't even get on Facebook. I was just click checking my numbers on there to see how we were doing. I screen recorded and I said it to my wife, I'm like, look at this shit. I don't, I don't click, I don't watch, I don't search anything on Facebook. I'm never on this platform. I'm like, what if this was a child opening up their app? Granted, the young kids probably aren't Facebook right now because it's an older generation thing, but it's still a social media app and they're pushing this, and everything is sexualized, everything's dumbed down and just played off as just, oh, it's just normal, but it's it's these little itty bitty hooks that it puts in you every single time. Before you know it, they have you.

SPEAKER_00 3:02:30

And then you're in these dark especially when you're young, it sticks with you. Like I still remember, I was probably five or six years old that some news station was covering some rap star, pop star, or something that he was, you know, undressing women on stage and like he would expose their breasts. And they blurted out and everything, but I can still remember that. I remember the first Playboy I've ever seen. Yeah, I was five or six, and I can still I can't remember most of my childhood, but I can remember that scene. You know what I mean? And that is a testimony in and of itself that this is not just a physical problem. Like they're casting spells, like this is a spiritual thing. And I get that some people, you know, whatever they're on their path, they don't believe in God. If you can't get in on the spiritual, just realize that these people that own this industry are ruining your life, they're taking your money, they're controlling you, and then they turn around and use that money that you spent on these actresses to blackmail your politicians and make your life worse.

SPEAKER_05 3:03:33

Not even just, yeah, because they're taking OnlyFans. OnlyFans is the largest contributor to APEC, which is paying our politicians.

SPEAKER_01 3:03:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 3:03:42

Make that make sense. It's the largest contributor is a Jew that owns OnlyFans, the majority of the money to APEC that is now funding our politicians. So for all these politicians that you're voting for, they're taking money, pornographic material money from young women that are selling their bodies on the internet. And the fact that like that doesn't register with an American they're prostituting us and they're laughing about it in the background. All the way to the bank, man. Yep, all the way to the bank. And it's like, dude, they're winning.

SPEAKER_00 3:04:12

There's another way that they own us, is but it's crazy that and the stat of how many young women have OnlyFans is disgusting. It's horrifying, it's terrible, it's so scary.

SPEAKER_05 3:04:23

Yeah, it's terrifying. And then we're we're we're putting porn on men and young boys, like that's kind of like what we're targeting. But at the same time, this is where it comes down to as fathers and raising daughters to know themselves, to love themselves and know their morals and values and what they represent and stand for as a young woman as they become older and don't get sucked into these industries because the money looks good or the life and the cars and the toys. But every time you're putting stuff out there, it's like a prostitute. Every time they give themselves up, they're giving a piece of themselves up.

SPEAKER_00 3:04:54

When every time you're putting yourself on the internet, slowly just rotting inside physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual you know, repercussions.

SPEAKER_05 3:05:04

Well, now we're looking at these women like this um Bonnie chick. Um Bonnie Blue. How do you know who she is?

unknown 3:05:12

I've heard of her.

SPEAKER_05 3:05:13

Who doesn't know who she is at this time? Bonnie Blue.

SPEAKER_00 3:05:15

Like, and I she's on the internet bragging, and we're giving you You want to specify that was not the model I was watching.

SPEAKER_05 3:05:24

But I look at this and we're like glamorizing this woman sleeping with a thousand dudes in a day, and then this other chick's bragging that she was with 200 dudes in 24 hours, whatever it is. I'm just like, this is what the and as a man, you don't look at that and you're not like I don't know how that to me think Jesus, I fight my demons every day. But the fact that I don't look at a woman that just had a thousand partners and be like, that's hot, yeah. But that that goes on that path of down the rabbit hole of where it leads to, because I'm sure fast for rewind four, five, six, ten years, however long it took you to get through your stages of porn, you probably would have looked at it one day and be like, Oh, oh my god, dude. You just what? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's terrifying, man. This our our children are under attack from all sides. Our country and our government is not here to help and protect them.

SPEAKER_00 3:06:19

Instead, they're it's all slipping, and that's why I've chosen porn because it's such an easy target. We need a generation, and not to say that women don't need to abandon it too, and that it doesn't affect them, but we need a generation of men that are just agitated, you know. Like it's a good thing to not live in comfort constantly. It's a good thing to have to pursue a relationship and and enjoy that divine moment with somebody that you've chosen for life and you've made that decision with God. Like it's sacred. It is and it needs to we need to return to that. We need to cast out this culture of sleeping around and one night stands, and it's just so destructive. And I think that is what's plaguing men. And like I said, if you can't get behind it on the spiritual side, just realize who owns all of it. Do a little research. Who owns the entire porn industry almost?

SPEAKER_05 3:07:17

Which is so wild to me when you look at these guys that are running OnlyFans, running Pornhub, how they're all rabbis. I just saw a thing not too long ago where this rabbi owns a sex d factory where they make children. He owns it with his daughter. Children size from a rabbi? And you're gonna tell me they're the chosen ones?

unknown 3:07:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:07:42

Buy their fruits.

SPEAKER_00 3:07:45

That's what Christ said.

SPEAKER_05 3:07:46

You know what's crazy? We talk about a lot, it's god shit in this house. Where things are just there's no such thing as coincidence, right? Like, I don't, my wife, I don't neither none of us believe in coincidence. Everything happens for a reason. People are put in your life, people are removed from your life, there's opportunities, the doors open, doors close. It's all for a reason. And I'm sitting here listening to you talk about this, and we kind of talked about a little bit earlier how like I want how not I want, but how I'm launching this community for men, and it's going to be built by men for men, but the men that are building it are in the trenches. Yeah, and I have we've had a couple of podcast guests on ahead of you, you met one of them, but the other guy um you missed. And it's almost like this was lined up for a specific reason. And I'm sitting here and listening and seeing how passionate you are because porn is a huge problem. And I have some buddies that help men, and he they say their number one category is porn. That's the number one thing that these men are battling right now. And like I said, I don't have that demon, so it's hard for me to be able to. I can relate to anybody on any topic, but it's I don't ever want to put myself in a situation or in educating some on somebody that I something that I haven't battled and gone through. Absolutely. And so I'm sitting here watching how passionate you are about this, and I'm like, this this is this is god shit to where I need somebody to step up to the plate and help these men in this community with porn addiction. And it's like, what are the chances? And then I have a guy, a guest that he left right before you did. Incredible, gone through so much stuff, but he has given his whole life to Christ, and he has his little ministry, and he kind of got away from it because he's doing he got back in the law enforcement. Incredible episode, but like he's like, Man, I would love to be able to help the guys on the spiritual side of things and just to learn because I don't want to push religion, I want to push relationship in this, and this is what these guys are wanting. They don't want to be forced anything, they just want them, they want to get back into their faith. And it's like it's weird how God, if you if you just watch and actually pay attention of these little things and pieces that just have like this, isn't coincidence that I'm sitting here building a community from these men that are craving, they're asking for help battling porn, and then now I'm having a conversation with you, and then these 98% of these dudes have lost their faith and want to find their faith again. And I sit down with a gentleman that's like just loves preaching to men, especially he's lost everything. I mean, he went in some really dark times, and so it's just it's crazy to me that these things, these types of things happen. And when people are like, Oh, it's coincidence, it's like I don't believe in coincidence. I don't either, I do not either. And once you stop believing in coincidence, you start looking at why things happen, your mind just it's beautiful, and then you then what you're able to start. It's not just oh dude, this guy talked about porn, man. It's crazy. We're gonna launch a program and help dudes with porn, but yeah, anyways. But it's sad, I'm like, What what are the chances that we're less than a month out of launching this thing and I'm out reaching out to guys for these topics, and then I'm placed two men in my life.

SPEAKER_00 3:10:59

And my initial you know invitation had nothing to do with any of that. You didn't talk about any of that. That's that's what I'm saying. Just the vaccine and my experience in those.

SPEAKER_05 3:11:12

Yeah, this is wild chaos. We talk about everything, so I'm never gonna say no to a guest. And then just hearing and seeing the passion in this about you, I'm like, I'm sitting here going, oh my god, like this is this isn't a coincidence. It's just it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 3:11:25

It's amazing what God's doing, and it's happening everywhere. Like, people are just coming out of the woodworks, and it's a lot of people that went through some tough struggles. Like, God put them through their refining fire in the last few years, and now it's time to do the work. And I'll say that with a grain of salt, never depend on anybody, like not even me. If if you build that relationship with your God, with for me Christ, and He is guiding your day-to-day, take the good that you get from others and add that, verify it with Christ, and you can never go wrong. That's why it's not important right now which faith is true. The Church of Jesus Christ, the Latter-day Saints will preach at you till they're blue in the face. That's the only true church on the face of the planet. But that is not what Christ taught. That's not what's important. Like, he taught a totally different gospel. Yep. And once you realize that and you start getting on board with him, that's when these miracles start happening. You know what I mean? The coincidences.

SPEAKER_05 3:12:28

Like, I people that believe in coincidences is just people also believe that a miracle has to be like, oh, he rose from the dead and I woke up one day and oh, my cancer's gone. It's a miracle. It's not. There's a lot of little miracles happening constantly. Meeting somebody at the gas station when you need a job or an opportunity, and you just happen to be in an elevator with a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy that gets you connected. Like, those are miracles, like those are all part of a plan.

SPEAKER_00 3:12:54

And it's that lukewarm Christianity that's preventing it because the Holy Spirit is whispering to Christians every day, do this, do this, and they doubt. Like, see, do you know what mine is?

SPEAKER_05 3:13:05

I battle, I battle this relationship with God. I battle diving in because there I'm not educated, I've fallen away from so long and I have so many questions. I don't doubt, like I've said, they walked this earth, died for our sins, resurrected. I mean, there's no question of that. Yeah, but I in mine comes from just the ignorant side of it. I just don't, I'm not, I haven't read the whole entire Bible front start to finish, top to bottom, front to back type of deal. But the fact that a lot of my guests are so heavily heavy in their faith, and it comes on to me. And I'm like, it's so hard for me to deny it when there's all of the it's constant. And I'm not I'm not reaching out, I'm reaching out to these guys for completely different topics and stories. I don't know anything about them. Or they come to me and they they fill out an application, like, I'd love to come to the show, cool. And then it just turns in the faith, and it's like, why? Why is it constantly coming back to me? Why am I now I have this platform where I allow people to talk about their faith and I'm not shy about it, we're not gonna edit anything. And it's like I want people that I want my listeners to listen. I got buddies that listen every single week and they message me every time an episode comes out and they're they're talking about it. Man, yeah, oh my god, I had no idea. Like, yeah, dude, you I didn't know I did you thought about it like this, and I didn't know your journey and your faith. I'm right with you. There's so many men that we've lost our faith for so long, and we're just we're looking for that little bit of light and a little bit of hope to get back into. And I hope that when people listen to this platform, they can see a dude that's been through it all. I've gone to the deployments, I've gone all around the world, I've seen, I've looked evil in its face, and it's like, okay, here I am. Like I'm full of joy and happiness, and I love my family, I love my wife, I love the time with my kids, and I know dudes that have everything in the world, but they don't have what I have. And I want to be able to spread that to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 3:14:58

Yep, absolutely. It's so awesome. Well, dude. Yeah. Uh for all the Christians, be nice to the Mormons. They're going through their demons. If you truly love them, minister to them. Stop hating on them and open the word. Open they believe in the Bible. You you'll be astonished, but they do believe in the Bible and come to them from a place of love and understanding and preach to them the word of God. And maybe even consider opening up the Book of Mormon, the original one, not the blue. If it's blue, it isn't true. Um, because that's that's what we need. We just all need to come to Christ.

SPEAKER_05 3:15:38

If you're just easy to do that with everybody, I'm guilty of it. I look at people. I did for a long time with the Muslims. But then spending time in their country, around their culture, like I've never been hated by a Muslim unless a radical one, but it's just like I'm I can't hate on anybody else for what they believe in. I'm gonna do what I can to help them. Absolutely try to lead them onto my path that I think is right. It may not be, but until somebody proves me otherwise, I mean we just gotta all help each other out a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 3:16:08

For sure. If you'll let me make a plug, I forgot during the last segment. I have a friend, her name is Lindy. Her her tag is at Indy underscore Lindy on Instagram. She is a Coast Guard veteran. She was in the Army as well. She transferred branches. She was coerced into taking the COVID vaccine, and she is 100% disabled from it.

SPEAKER_05 3:16:27

Would she come on and tell her story?

SPEAKER_00 3:16:29

Oh, for sure. Let's get her here. Where's she at? Uh, I think she's in Georgia now, and traveling might be an issue for her. So if you ever plan a trip, it might be better that you go to her. Okay. But she really needs our support. She deserves it. Like, I don't ask for money from people because I have my health, you know, I can build my empire still. For sure. There's nothing that's gonna stop me from being able to make it in this life. But I've my heart hurts for people like her that she really didn't want to do it, and they coerced her until finally she broke down and got the vaccine. And like it's destroyed her. And she she's so strong in the faith. Like, she's she's such a strong Christian. She's a she's an awesome human being. And I think until the government decides to pull their head out of their ass and start supporting some of these people for this atrocity that happened, you know, regular Americans like you and me can really help her get through this.

SPEAKER_05 3:17:19

If you have any links to her, send them to me. Um I'll give you our email to email her, and like if she has a GoFundMe or anything along those lines, if anybody would like to support her. Because it's dude, I'm trying to get an A10 pilot on. He got the vaccine shot and got extremely ill, and they they pulled his they pulled his flight card. Yes, sucks because you yeah, the and so he's fighting him on right now. Like, dude, his whole entire dreams, everything, a lot like yours. But he went through with it and it ruined it. He can't fly now. He has seizures and shit, and they're like, Oh, can't fly anymore. And he's like, You you forced me to get a vaccine. So I'm trying to get him on. Yeah, but he just he's not sure if he wants because he's I think he's still in or in the process of getting out, but yeah, we need accountability.

SPEAKER_00 3:17:59

It was not okay what happened, it was unlawful, and I will ri I refuse to let this be swept under the rug. Like this will not happen to soldiers that come after me. No, like it's unacceptable. So bro, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 3:18:15

Thank you. Great conversation, man. Yeah, I appreciate it. That's great.

SPEAKER_00 3:18:21

Awesome. Wow. I think that'll be better.