Torsten Lueddecke: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Zhineng Qigong Community Podcast. My name is Torsten Lueddecke, and this is today's story.
Torsten Lueddecke: The diagnosis of a fatal disease would come as a shock to anyone. Even more so if one of your parents fell victim to the same disease and it is discovered that it runs in your genes. How do you transform this information? Deal with the emotions of fear and build the confidence that you can raise above and heal completely.
Torsten Lueddecke: When Maike was diagnosed with early stages of ALS, she took things into her own hands and started an extraordinary journey towards complete recovery. Let's dive [00:01:00] right in. Thank you very much for joining today. Uh, we're going to dive right in because, uh, your story with Zhineng Qigong and discovering what's possible started with a diagnosis or a possible diagnosis for ALS.
Maike : Yeah, that's right.
Torsten Lueddecke: Maybe you want to explain a little bit about your family history and what happened exactly and how you discovered.
Maike : Yeah. Um, my mother, um, got sick with ALS when she was in her mid thirties, like 33, 34 years old, and she died three years later and yeah, this is how I grew up with what I, what I learned about this disease and, um, from this point on, she the only one, the first one in the family.
Maike : So no one would think about, okay, it could be a genetical thing or whatever. It would just, yeah, like bad luck. This was what everyone was assuming. And, um, when I turned 32, 33, I [00:02:00] discovered some mild symptoms, um, in my body that, yeah, could be connected to, um, this kind of disease, which is a neurological disease, um, related to the motor neurons in the brain that are responsible for our, um, movements of the muscles.
Maike : Yeah, the motor neurons in the brain and the brainstem, they control every action of the muscle and the nervous system. And so because I was very aware of this disease and what it could cause, I went to a doctor and I saw like two or three different neurologists and they did several tests. Yeah. One found that there are early signs of this kind of disease.
Maike : There are different muscle testings and, um, yeah. So they, they said, yeah, it's, it's possible that you are also affected by this disease. And. At the same time, because I have two siblings, one is my sister, one, my brother, um, and my sister, [00:03:00] she, um, decided to get tested, um, genetically, if this is something that runs in our family that was first discovered, maybe, or, or expressed in my mother.
Maike : And, um, she did this testing and they found a gene in her genetics, um, that is linked, possibly linked to, to ALS. And, yeah, so. I got tested as well and I as well have this gene. So this was the information I had to this point. And yes, so this is when it started that I was looking for any option to deal with this situation because there is no known cure so far for ALS or motor neuron disease is how, yeah, it's mostly, um, called in, in English.
Maike : So there's only, yeah, some, I don't know, things to help with getting along in your daily life. Yeah. Some assistant things like wheelchairs or whatever, what it's [00:04:00] a progressive disease that goes sometimes slower, sometimes a bit quicker. And, um, yeah, basically people lose their um, muscle strength and control so that they need help pretty soon.
Maike : Yeah. So, so I was looking around. So what could I do? Because this is, yeah, a really, um, devastating, um, thing to know about yourself and your life. And yeah, so this is where I started.
Torsten Lueddecke: And yeah, and ALS is usually, you know, it leads to death eventually, right? Because the heart muscle is also affected. And then at one point there's no, there's no way forward.
Torsten Lueddecke: So you said, okay, well, I know that Western medicine doesn't have an answer. Let me, let me see what else is there. What is there someone out there who has an offer to make that could possibly work for me? Is that how you approached it?
Maike : Yes. Yes. This is how, um, basically how I approached it. [00:05:00] Um, I mean, I think the heart muscle, it's not sure if it's affected, but most people die from respiratory failure because they, they can't breathe anymore or they, um, yeah, I don't know, have lung infections.
Maike : So I was, was searching for, for any possibilities. And, um, at first I found a really, Good, um, holistic doctor who is not in Leipzig, unfortunately, but in, in Brandenburg and close to Berlin, which is okay to drive for, I don't know, one, two hours there. And he was looking at me. not at the disease. He was looking at the whole body and he was looking, okay, how's everything working inside your body?
Maike : The cells are, how are they communicating? Is everything all right with your nutrition and whatever? So this is how I started. And he had a really strict protocol, which I followed. And I went to Berlin like once a week before work to, to see him and to have the, [00:06:00] this kind of treatment. But yeah, this was the one side, but on the other side, like I was emotionally really frightened.
Maike : I was so scared, yeah, because I didn't know what will happen to me. I just knew how it went with my mother. And, um, so I was looking for something that could, yeah, give me some strength from within. Not only a medicine, but, um, yeah, some strength from within is like a perspective. And this is how, yeah, I researched and then I found a group in the internet that is called Healing ALS.
Maike : It's um, mostly people from the United States and there was one woman, there were, I don't know, some people that tried different approaches. And then there was this one woman and she practiced qi neng qi gong and she had a really severe, form of ALS and frontotemporal dementia. Yeah. So she, she also had this dementia part and, [00:07:00] um, she was practicing and yeah, she really had good results.
Maike : She really could stabilize her, um, her wellbeing and, um, improve her health. And so this is, yeah, how I, I get first to know
Torsten Lueddecke: I think the first, I think the first lesson that always, you know, whenever people tell me stories like this, the first thing that I'm reminded of is that so often when we go to the doctor, we get a wrong information, which is they give you a diagnosis.
Torsten Lueddecke: And then they say, they say there's nothing one can do while really what they should say is there's nothing. I can do as your doctor because my realm of knowledge, there is nothing I don't, I don't know what I can do, but that really doesn't mean that there are not other approaches. And, uh, I can't remember, I don't know any disease where there hasn't been other approaches that actually healed people.
Torsten Lueddecke: So I think this is an important message for everyone who gets a devastating diagnosis. [00:08:00] All they are saying is, you know, with their toolset, they don't know how to deal with this issue. But it doesn't mean that there isn't somebody out with a different toolset, you know, that could very well work. And you gave us this example of the lady in the US who was in a, uh, had a much more severe stage already of ALS, and she could work with Zhineng Qigong
Torsten Lueddecke: and obviously that seems to have inspired you, right? So how did your story continue?
Maike : Yeah, so I'm not living in the U. S. I live in Germany, and so I was, um, searching for someone practicing Shineng Shugung in Germany, and I'm really lucky that there's so many people in Germany practicing and teaching Zhineng Qigong , and, um, I found a wonderful teacher, and she offered, um, a one week retreat, like one on one retreat.
Maike : So I stayed with her for one week and I had, um, Qigong lessons on one on one basis, not a group. Yeah. It was really individual and this was my start. And I think for me, it [00:09:00] was really good that I found this really intensive start that we practice really every day. Yeah. So that it was not like, okay, half an hour every second week or so, but really one week.
Maike : in the morning, in the afternoon, in the evening. Yeah, we were practicing.
Torsten Lueddecke: Can I ask for the name of that teacher?
Maike : Yeah, that was Birgit. Petersen? Yeah, yeah, Birgit Petersen, yeah. Yeah, Birgit Petersen. Okay,
Torsten Lueddecke: great. We'll put your contact details in the show notes, because I think that's also quite unique, uh, to have an offer.
Torsten Lueddecke: Where, uh, you know, you can practice one on one for a week. And it's actually the first time I hear that. Uh, and it's obviously great because it basically, you know, when you think of the, uh, workshop center, where, you know, the whole medicine, this hospital started, um, where Qigong was used to, to, to tackle diseases like this.
Torsten Lueddecke: People would also practice, you know, basically eight hours a day and would always be in an, uh, in an environment. So I think you kind of, you know, did the right thing here and not just to learn a exercise in two, [00:10:00] 15 minutes a day and hope things will get better, but you really dive deep into it, you know, understanding that this is a very serious matter.
Torsten Lueddecke: So, uh, yeah, sorry if I'm talking too much here now, but I want to point this out because a lot of people I know that have a serious diagnosis. they don't have the same kind of commitment. They say, ah, I wish I could practice more, but I've got my job, I've got my family, et cetera, et cetera. And I say, look, this is your life now.
Torsten Lueddecke: This is not, you know, just, okay, well, my kids get a hot meal this evening. I'm sure there's a solution, uh, to find, and I'm sure somebody is going to take care of your husband's laundry. So yeah, make yourself priority here, you know, do what you need to do. And in this case, you did that. Uh, you went there and.
Torsten Lueddecke: Spent your, your whole day practicing Zhineng Qigong. I just needed to say that because often I'm frustrated, you know, if people have a serious, uh, diagnosis and they say, ah, I don't have the time to do anything about it, you know, that's really, really sad to hear that. But I'm glad you acted different. You responded different.
Torsten Lueddecke: Yeah. So please continue.
Maike : Yes. [00:11:00] Yeah. So, so this was my, my entrance in chin and, um, so I was. Yeah, it was a wonderful weekend. I'm really, really, um, grateful for, for Birgit and her teaching and whatever. Yeah. So, um, it was really good. And so I started from there. Yeah. And then I had a little toolkit that I could use at home.
Maike : Yeah. To, to deepen my practice and to, to really practice on my own. And, um, I found it really helpful to not. always practice on my own. So I, at first, I attended some online courses as well. And then I joined a different, like a retreat with, um, Master Zhu Ping from, he's located in, in, um, UK at the moment.
Maike : Um, and he was, um, with other German teachers. They deepen it. And, and that was really, really important for me because, um, The first thing [00:12:00] that was so important is that in Zhineng Qigong we do the physical practice, that's for sure, but the most important thing is the information practice, to change the information about yourself, your life, whatever.
Maike : Yeah. So, and this is something that I really want to point out to anyone who's listening here. Um, this is what I spent. I mean, I practiced the, the, the physical movements as well, but, um, what really, um, yeah. I found really helpful was, um, spending a lot of time in changing the information. Yeah. You can use different tools.
Maike : I used writing, for example. Yeah. So I wrote down, I had like files of pages and pages where I wrote down the information I want to have. About my life. Yeah, I don't want to have this illness information. I want to have. So how will I live? How will I feel? How will I look? How will I move? Yeah. So to really repeat it, [00:13:00] repeat it, repeat it to write it and read it and write it and read it again and again.
Maike : Yeah. Until it's really internalized and then use this information in the Qigong practice. Yeah, because this is what every teacher, every master is saying. Yeah. The information. is so crucial in this practice. It's not enough if you do put your hair down twice a day. Yeah, you really need to change the information about yourself and your health and your well being, your life, whatever.
Torsten Lueddecke: I mean, this is a vital point that you're raising there. And you were coming from, you know, when you explained earlier, you also had to deal with your emotional state and the emotional state was the result of you having information like, Oh my God, I've got something really serious. And what is my path going to be?
Torsten Lueddecke: And, you know, And all the worries and concern. And that is obviously, you know, a very, very important part to transform this information into seeing yourself healthy, you know, imagining, you know, how your future looks like and [00:14:00] seeing yourself walking and playing and running and having fun. Fun and smiling and all of that, because that is the information that you put out there and the body will respond, you know, no matter whether we're talking about qin and qigong theory here, where this is very obvious, but it's also true in other theories, you know, that we know that the body responds to our thoughts.
Torsten Lueddecke: So, um, it is like giving the right instruction to the body to do whatever needs to be done to be healthy. Uh, so I'm, I'm, I'm glad you followed that. Although I must say, I mean, a lot of people find that very difficult when they get the diagnosis, what helped you to actually, you know, get there because it also doesn't help to fool yourself.
Torsten Lueddecke: There's no point, you know, standing in front of the mirror and just saying, I'm healthy, I'm healthy. While you have the dialogue, Oh my God, what's going to happen with me. So how did you, how did you get to that point?
Maike : I mean, at first, for me, it was, I didn't share the illness information with many people. I just, I took, I don't know, two or three people.[00:15:00]
Maike : I mean, this is like five, four or five years ago when I got the diagnosis. And I just, for example, I told my parents just one month ago, I didn't tell them all the time because it was so important for me to not have the information myself. that other people don't see me as the sick person. So I picked two or three people that I knew that would support me in whatever I chose to do, or even help me in looking up different approaches and whatever, or practice Qigong with me.
Maike : And so, yeah, I, I, I didn't share the illness information. So this is maybe one point. Um, and then, I mean, there were lots of days and weeks where I was struggling or not really believing myself what I was saying or writing down in my files with all these positive things. But for me, it was more the feeling that I have no other option.
Maike : I have to do this. And then I did [00:16:00] and I felt like constantly, yeah, things changing. Yeah, even if I didn't feel maybe didn't feel of change in my body, but I felt a change in how I was feeling in that day in the moment. Yeah. So how I was feeling. in my, in my workplace or yeah, with other people. So, so I just felt these little, little changes.
Maike : And so I, I, I just discovered this is the right path. And I mean, today I don't do this writing anymore that much because I have it now like more internalized and I have certain thoughts that I have so that I can come back there. But this helped me a lot.
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Torsten Lueddecke: I'm reminded of another interview I had the other day with a teacher from the U. S. called Federico. So, uh, if anybody wants to listen to that, it's a very interesting interview as well. And what he spoke about is, you know, because, uh, we often say you have to believe in, you know, that it's working, but really it's very difficult to force someone, including yourself, to believe anything because either you do believe or you don't, it's not a choice thing to believe, right?
Torsten Lueddecke: But what he was talking about was confidence. You know, you have to have confidence that it is working. And I think confidence you can build up exactly by these small results that you were mentioning. So you're practicing, you're seeing something moving, you experience there is a change. And that is the confidence, yeah, that you have actually, you know, a control over your life, a control over your health, that [00:18:00] you can influence the information field.
Torsten Lueddecke: And it's this confidence, you know, that is probably one What is easier for people to go into rather than saying, I have to believe, which doesn't work. Um, uh, and so I think that is one point I wanted to make. And the second thing is, you know, I don't know how, how you knew, because when you got the, you know, the diagnosis first, you knew nothing about Zhineng Qigong.
Torsten Lueddecke: So you weren't really aware about how important it is. Uh, to have the right information. It's serious. It's decided not to share with many people, which was a very smart move on your side because, you know, once you've got your whole environment, I was looking at you like, oh my God, this is the sick one and poor you.
Torsten Lueddecke: Yeah. It's very difficult because they put, you know, unwillingly and obviously with good intention, they put the wrong information into the Qi field. And that's also why, you know, if you go to, if you went to the workshop center or today to any healing retreat, you know, with that Qigong masters organized, they will always look at you at you're completely healthy.
Torsten Lueddecke: They will not even, they, they will not, uh, not spend a split of a [00:19:00] second, you know, on your disease because it's not important. It's not what they want to focus on. They focus on the health for you. Yeah. And that's the way they approach you. And that's also why, you know, they don't need much information about you or what's wrong or whatever.
Torsten Lueddecke: They don't even want to go there. They just look at you at the healthy state of you. And, um, you know, subconsciously you knew how important it is that your environment also doesn't feed, you know, the wrong information. Uh, so that was, you know, that was just amazing. I don't know how you, how you did that because most people, you know, wouldn't, wouldn't be so, uh, so clever to take that step, but, uh, well done.
Torsten Lueddecke: Yeah.
Maike : Yeah. I mean, I think I was really aware of any change in my body. So because I knew the story of my, my mother, of course, and I lived with her. Yeah. As a child, of course. So I think I, I went to the doctor really early. And I had no, I don't know, like visible [00:20:00] thing. Yeah. That people, I don't know, could see.
Maike : Okay. So there is a sickness or a diagnosis or something. Yeah. So, um, I think this was maybe another good thing that I started so early. Yeah. So to prevent it from, from, from going further. Yeah.
Torsten Lueddecke: Yes. Okay. And then now, so, okay, you did, uh, uh, more trainings and did you ever go back to the doctor or was it the symptoms that you felt like were no longer there or.
Torsten Lueddecke: How did you, you know, because you know, you're sitting in front of me, uh, five years later or how long ago, five years later, healthy, beautiful, shining. Um, so that's, you know, obviously you've been very successful what you did. Uh, so did you go back to a doctor or how did you handle the whole situation?
Maike : At first I did not go back to the doctor because, um, I thought.
Maike : They don't have to offer me anything. Yeah. They [00:21:00] can just, I don't know, make a record of, I don't know, anything in my muscle or whatever, if it's like decreasing or whatever. So I didn't go back for many years. Um, so I, I just kept practicing and of course there were times where the symptoms came back or worsened.
Maike : Yeah. But I really, I had this treasure already of knowing, okay. I already experienced it getting better. So even if it's getting worse now, it will get better. I knew that. Yeah. So, and I was really confident about that in that moment. Yeah. Um, and so, yeah, I, I, I kept practicing. I, I did a variation of, of Zhineng Qigong different practices.
Maike : Um, a lot LA Qachi, which is pretty easy, but yeah, helped me a lot. Yeah. Because you can make lachi with any organ or any part of your body, every dantian. [00:22:00] So I did a lot of lachi with my brain. So, um, this, um, helped me a lot. And, um, yeah, then level one, hotea put you down a little bit of level two. I, I learned that in a retreat and yeah.
Maike : So as I'm mixing, Some, some methods. I didn't follow a really strict, um, schedule, but it was. really important to really practice a lot and every day. So this is, this is really, really important. I think.
Torsten Lueddecke: I just want to mention one more point that you said, because I think that's also something that some of our listeners sometimes forget.
Torsten Lueddecke: You, you, uh, you said how important it was to have a reference of it has been working. So, uh, when things get better, it gets better. Remember that, remember that, you know, you've done your qi neng qi gong and things got better because, uh, I also, this is, I think this is very sad, you know, I, I see people that, [00:23:00] uh, come with a disease or an illness, they practice qi neng qi gong, they have a huge success and then at one point, you know, for whatever reasons, uh, the disease comes back and they die.
Torsten Lueddecke: Although they know now they have done it before they for whatever reason, you know, often they just don't go back and go, okay, I need to go back into my rigorous routine and training routine to have the same success that I had before. You know, I've seen so many people that although they have the reference that it has been working, I'm not using it again.
Torsten Lueddecke: And I don't, yeah, I've got problems to understand that because if I had this, this experience once, you know, if I could do it once, I can do it twice. And I think that's kind of what you knew and what gave you the confidence that, you know, even at days where it wasn't so good or where you felt like, oops, what's happening here.
Torsten Lueddecke: Uh, you had the confidence and you've done it before, so you can do it again.
Maike : Yeah. And sometimes this was a really good reminder. Like I found for myself a really good reminder that maybe there was something [00:24:00] Maybe a bit too much stress. Maybe I didn't practice a lot for a longer time. Yeah, just a little bit every day.
Maike : Yeah, so it was a good reminder to, to come back to the path. Yeah. And to, to check in with myself to see, okay, where I am at the moment. Um, what would be good. Yeah. Which, which kind of practice and, and how long. Um, should I, should I maybe, yeah, start to train again or practice again every day? Yeah. And just, just see it.
Maike : I don't know. Yeah. I know that fear, fear is the, the worst thing in, in all of this, in, in these, these diseases and whatever, because of course, whenever there's a new symptom, The first thing that kicks in is fear. Oh my God. Now it's happening. Yeah. I could, I don't know, prevent it for some years now. And now, now it's really kicking it.
Maike : Yeah. And then to really relax, calm down, come back. And I think this is really helpful as well, that we have this community. Yeah. Because we can support each other. [00:25:00] Yeah. Um, and this was something that helped me a lot whenever I was a bit, maybe like struggling or I felt okay. Now I got to this point, but I think it's getting worse so that I could always talk to someone, yeah, or listen to some teachings from Master Liu, for example, yeah, or attend some classes.
Maike : And then I got back on the path and I felt it again. Okay. It's getting better again, or I even forgot about the symptoms I was worrying about before.
Torsten Lueddecke: So this is always
Maike : the best sign when you forget about it. And, um, yeah, so, so I think this is really, really important, this kind of community.
Torsten Lueddecke: Now we, we kind of, uh, didn't finish the story, whether you did get a new diagnosis from a doctor, uh, or didn't.
Torsten Lueddecke: Uh, did you actually eventually go back or did you just say, I know I'm healthy. Okay, good.
Maike : Yeah. I went back last year. Um, in March, like, yeah, more or less one year ago I went, um, to a clinic because then I said, okay, now I really want to [00:26:00] know. Yeah. So, because before I was. yeah, a neurologist, one in Berlin, one in Leipzig, but they were here.
Maike : Yeah. I had appointments. I don't know for half an hour. And then I went to a clinic in T眉bingen, which is specialized in this kind of disease, especially in the genetic reforms. So I went there for, yeah, for almost a week, spent like a week in the hospital and, um, they get it. every possible test on me. Yeah.
Maike : So they have this specialized, um, ALS, um, motor neuron disease department there and professors and whatever. So, and I went there and I thought, okay, now I'm three years into the diagnosis. So if there was something happening now, it would show. Yeah. And, um, they did every test and the results were like three years ago.
Maike : They said, yeah, there are some signs that this disease started. [00:27:00] But it didn't develop any further. So it kept like silent or stable on this point at this point. Yeah. So there's, there's no, no progression in it, which is. in their understanding, not possible for this kind of disease. So they said, okay, so yeah, if there's no progression, so you can't have this because there's the sign of a, but it doesn't develop any further.
Maike : So, okay. And this was enough for me because then I knew, okay, yeah, I know that what I did was the right thing and now I can really, yeah, Yeah, I don't know, like close this pile of, um, of this diagnosis and the doctors and whatever. So, yeah.
Torsten Lueddecke: Yes. And I think, I think, uh, this is also an important thing, uh, to, uh, keep in mind there is no point to run to the doctor once a week to get an updated diagnosis because, you know, sometimes [00:28:00] you, it's also sometimes you might be in a better shape, sometimes in a not so good shape, and all you're doing is you continuously feeding into.
Torsten Lueddecke: the wrong information of disease and you're constantly consistently creating doubts. Well, you know, it, I think it's perfectly fine to just, you know, practice trust that over time, you know, things might also take time sometimes. So, uh, that, but what you're doing is working. And even though some days might be better and some days might not be better.
Torsten Lueddecke: You trust the process. Uh, you have the confidence that you can do it and you don't need a diagnosis, you know, every week or something like that. So I think that's also supportive actually in your healing progress, rather than, you know, uh, checking every five minutes what's going on, you know, what's my current temperature, you know, do I have to have a temperature or not or whatever.
Torsten Lueddecke: Uh, so, uh, I think that's, yeah, I think it also supported you in, in, in Continuing to set up the right information. Okay. Is there anything you would like to add, or should we look a little bit into the future and who you are now and what your [00:29:00] plans are? Because I know, uh, you decided to join the Hunyuan Qi Therapy therapy program and you're already quite far.
Torsten Lueddecke: You're going to be, uh, um, uh, finishing or completing your approach, your pro gram and hopefully getting certified, uh, in autumn this year when you go to Austria. So, uh, you, it's. It seems that you, that you really enjoyed chiting so much and that you believe in the power of it, that you decide to make it at least partly a profession or what is the plan there?
Maike : I'm still in the progress. I started with the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program for myself. Yeah. For me, um, self healing at first. Um, but over the time I know. Uh, now I'm in a group. Yeah. Like, um, the team that is my, I don't know, that are finishing or started with me together. So we are meeting really, like constantly, like once a week to, to have a, um, yeah.
Maike : Exchange and, and zoom call and, and talk to each other. And over the time, I mean, I didn't really, I, I just kept it [00:30:00] for myself practicing. Um, I didn't really share it much, but over the time there were more and more people coming. For example, another woman from Cyprus, Britta, introduced me to her. She has ALS as well and I'm in contact with her.
Maike : So there were like different people coming and yeah, I started to have experiences with, um, healing or yeah, giving treatments and, and all this stuff. Yeah.
Torsten Lueddecke: I think that's a wonderful thing because, you know, people, uh, will assign a lot of credibility to you. You're not just, you know, talking about things you've actually done it yourself before.
Torsten Lueddecke: So that is a great, um, example of what is possible for them as well. I remember that in the children's training very often, you know, how the master works with the children, he just waits until one of the children has managed to do whatever the exercise was. And if they, if he can do it, then he says to everyone, if he can do it, [00:31:00] you can do it.
Torsten Lueddecke: And they get it immediately. You know, if one person has the skill, I don't know, to do spoon bending or read with closed eyes or something like that. If one person can do it, then, you know, everybody else can do it. So you, in a way, you know, you being or becoming a therapist now when you're a therapist, it's the same idea because people know, okay, if she could do it, then I could do it because, you know, nobody is less.
Torsten Lueddecke: Everybody has the same abilities to do these things. Uh, if they feed the right information, obviously, and have the right commitment and the right intention for their life. So, uh, so congratulations to that. And I'm sure you'll be hugely successful and have a lot of fun along the way. And this conversation today, I think it's also a great start because, um, people that are listening in that have a diagnosis like yours or something else that is very serious.
Torsten Lueddecke: They need to hear about people that said. Okay, I'm going to turn this around. I'm not just trying to manage the illness or I'm not just, um, you know, getting a [00:32:00] medication to, um, uh, make it less painful or something like that. I'm really looking into this and say, okay, it doesn't have to be that way because there are ways.
Torsten Lueddecke: And I'm not just talking about, uh, qineng, qigong, you know, our own energy therapy. Obviously there are also other great forms, you know, in the world that might resonate with somebody, you know, in a, in a different way. Uh, but there's not a single disease that I'm aware of haven't been people that use something other than Western medicine and were very successful.
Maike : That's true.
Torsten Lueddecke: So I can't, I can't thank you enough, uh, for the conversation, Maike. I know it's very, very helpful. It was a pleasure to have you on the show to talk to you today. And thank you very much for sharing all of this with the community. And I look forward to see you one day in person, maybe in Austria or maybe one of your other Qigong trips.
Maike : Yes. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure.
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