My Days at the Medicine-less Zhineng Qigong Hospital of Dr. Pang - Hélène Boucher

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In today’s Qigong podcast, Hélène Boucher shares her story about her transformative  experience at the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Center, often referred to as the Medicine-less Hospital. Without any prior knowledge of Qigong. 

Unlike a traditional hospital, the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Center founded by Dr. Pang Ming, operated on the belief that the body could heal itself through mind-body connection, Qi field activation, and dedicated Qigong practice. Thousands of individuals grouped by illness - whether cancer, Parkinson’s, or chronic pain, were not treated as patients, but as students of their own healing journey.

Hélène described witnessing remarkable moments where Qi, combined with intention and inner awareness, led to visible and often immediate healing outcomes. These experiences were part of daily life at the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Center. From energy healing demonstrations to participating in paranormal experiments like the mirror and matchstick Qi tests, the hospital was also a space of ongoing consciousness research. 

Join Hélène Boucher as she shares stories from her days at the Medicine-less Hospital — the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Center founded by Dr. Pang.

Mindful Moments: 

• Qigong empowers individuals to take charge of their own healing
• Qigong at the Huaxia Center was practiced in large healing communities
• Zhineng Qigong teaches that illness is not a limit
• Qigong healing is rooted in training the mind
• Qigong practice replaces fear with empowerment
• Qigong demonstrations at the Huaxia Hospital revealed rapid healing
• Qigong uses the body, breath, and mind together
• Qigong’s effectiveness lies in its simplicity
• Qigong research at Huaxia extended beyond healing
• Through Qigong, Hélène experienced a deep sense of unity and love

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Transcript

Hélène Boucher is one of the few Westerners who had the privilege to spend time at the Huaxia Qigong Center, the famous Medicineless Hospital by Dr. Pang Ming . She shares with us her memories of the times she spent there, of her experiences, and of many miracles. Embrace yourself for an incredible story with Hélène.

My name is Torsten Lüddecke, and this is the Wisdom Qigong Podcast.

Hello everyone and welcome to the Wisdom Qigong podcast. Today I've got Hélène Boucher with me. Uh, Hélène, do I pronounce your family name correct, Boucher? Absolutely. You are one of the rare that pronounce it this way, and this is exactly how it is pronounced. Hey, good morning Torsten. Very nice to see you.

Nice to see you Hélène. Hélène is actually French by nationality, but she lives in Oregon and she's one of the few westerners that ever went and spent time at the Huaxia zhineng qigong Center, the famous Medicineless Hospital of Dr. Pang. So when I, when I met Hélène for the first time, I said, you have to be on this podcast.

We would like to hear everything about it. She says, well, it's. 30, 35 years ago or something. So, uh, she has to really look, dig deep into her memories. But there are many beautiful, um, things that she's going to talk about today. Hélène, why don't you tell us a little bit of how you got started with zhineng qigong so that it took you to the Huaxia Center eventually.

Well, I, uh, I got started. I tell you how, I don't remember how, but I remember our group. I was with a group. How did I ended up into that group? Uh, I don't know. Uh, probably divine guidance or something. I, uh, because at the time there was no internet. So, um, but I ended up in a group, uh, that was going to, uh, China.

And, uh, uh, the furthest that, that I remember of that specific episode, uh, is at the airport with the group, uh, taking the flight to, to, uh, China. And, uh, so we, we arrive, we were. We were maybe. 15, 10, 15 people if that. And, um, we, we had a guide in, in, in Beijing when we arrived and right away we, uh, we went to the train.

To take the train to, uh, at the, to the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Hospital. I, because there were two places. There were the training center and the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Hospital. So, uh, what I can see that I remember is when we arrived at the, uh, was, um, oh my God. Um, it was like. Very familiar to me. It was like I knew this place and the architecture, you know, the gates, the round, the, the round gate to, to enter, uh, concession of, uh, of houses.

And because there, there were the, the hospital, the big building, and there were little, you know, beside, um, so it was like, oh my god. It was a feeling of. Coming home I knew so well that place. It, it, it was like very, very familiar and it felt good too. It felt very good and, uh, that's how I, my first impression of the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong.

Plus, you know, uh, the hundreds of people walking around and, and doing what they were doing and which we were not understanding at the beginning. But, um, it didn't take too long that we understood it. Were you, were you familiar with Qigong at that time? No, I didn't. I didn't know Qigong at all. So this was your first encounter with Qigong and you get straight into the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Centre.

Yeah. So what was that like? Okay, so, uh. It was, uh, very, uh, in, in, in, in just few words. It is very hard to explain just few words, but I can, I, I'll tell you a little bit of my few words is just like being in the presence of many Jesus Christ. People that walks around and just do this all. Send a thought and heal instantly.

You know, I had a friend who, who had um, um. Some, uh, bite from mosquitoes or something, and she was, her, her arm was reacting very much and she stopped one, one, uh, of the teacher there. Very young teacher. Matter of fact, I think it was a Master Lui, but I'm, I'm not sure. But it, uh, it felt like, uh, it wasn't at this, uh, at that time he was in his twenties, uh, it feels like, could be.

And he just came and, uh, and maybe it's not him, he just came and he just, uh, passed his hand above her arm. Everything disappeared instantly. And, um. It, it was, you know, it was phenomenal because the, the, the, the, the patient there, it's not like a hospital that had 30 patients. They had hundreds and probably thousands of patients there, right?

As a matter of fact, they had two or 3000 patients when I was there, and, um. Everybody gathered to do the practice of the Zhineng Qigong. What happened at that hospital? So they, they, they, they have their teachers to teach people how to do the practices and, and about the practices and, and about everything.

I could not understand because I was not speaking Chinese. I, I, I was just getting what was translated. And, um, but, uh, the, the people were gathering everybody at the same place in the morning to do the practices. And then after that everybody was divided, uh, in, in groups or were going with. Their group, uh, group that I felt was, um, uh, there was version of group, depending of the disease, maybe, uh, all the cancer together, all the, uh, uh, uh, Parkinson together or the group, the categories of, uh, uh, health challenges.

They were in group and they were gathering, and it felt that. Well, they were sharing probably their experience or since they came there while doing the practices, but I felt also they were sharing their emotion. Although I cannot be sure of that because I was not speaking Chinese. It was a lot of feeling.

So they were working together and everybody was helping each other. It was like, uh, and in the practice in the morning. There were, uh, people that could not stand up. Uh, they were paralyzed or whatever. And, uh, many, many times I saw, uh, people in wheelchair that were carried by their family member, and the family members were attaching them to a tree.

So that they can stand up for the practice. Right? And they were doing the practice with their mind only people that could not move, you know, uh, they were attached to the tree, but their mind was. Seemed to follow all the movement and everything that was happening. It was so incredible. And you say, well, if, if there were, uh, so many Jesus Christ there, why not everybody was totally healed in hands and poof and, uh, goodbye.

But, um. The principle is, was, uh, as I thought, as I understood, was they did not want necessarily to heal. Uh, a patient, but show them how they can heal themself. And in one month time, there, uh, a lot of people were healing themselves. How empowering is that? I mean, they can heal people could heal themselves.

Uh, that was. Giving back the power to each and everyone. It was like just so phenomenal. Phenomenal. Right, right. And we had, um, so we, we had practices, you know, with uh, teachers, uh, here and there,

excuse me. And, um, also, uh, I think two days before leaving. Uh, two or three days before leaving, we were called to a class. At times we were meeting the, the, the masters. Um. And that was translated, uh, the conversation were translated and they were there to answer our question and all of that. Um, but that evening that I'm talking about, we were brought to a little class where everybody had their beautiful little seat.

You know, that you bring, that you fold and you open and you sit and, uh. Okay. And there was about there some people maybe. Yeah, there's some people there sitting and, and, and the teachers standing up and when we arrive in the room, they were sitting and they were passing, uh, a wood match about, I would say maybe two three inch high wood match through.

Mirrors through a mirror through matter, just so, uh, the. Offer us the seats, some seats, and uh, we sat and bring us some wood match and mirror and now do the same. So focus, focus, focus, focus. And uh. Obviously, I don't remember, uh, any member of, uh, our group having passed it. There, there were match through the mirror, but then the teacher, uh, said, uh, on that translated, um, said, okay, let go of the mirror and.

Try to pass the wood match, throw your hand because the hand is organic. And, uh, we were told, uh, that it does not take like hours of focus to succeed. The success was depending only in one thing. It was the pure thought. Of doing it with the pure thought in an instant, in a moment. And, um, so anyway, uh, for us putting, uh, the, the, the match through the hand, uh, was going to be easier because, um.

It's organic and in our westerner mind, uh, we cannot go through matter. It's hard and we cannot unless you break it and, and all of that. So we have very strong conditioning about matter and um, it's ingrained in our belief. And anything that. Could say the contrary is unacceptable. That's why she told us to, to, to use our hand.

And, um, so, um, in, in, in our group, I think there were two that did that. I more or less did it. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I focus and my wood match, you know, kind of a, I did not push. But kind of a stood and I put my hand like this, and the wood match was like that. And I put my hand like that, and the wood match was like that.

I screamed. I screamed because. In a flash of a second, I thought, my God, I'm gonna have a hole. Will it close? Will I be able to pull out the wood or it's gonna stop there? Stick there and, you know, I, I freaked out. And, uh, but, uh, it was, it was incredible. Experience. Experience. Yeah. I would like to add that the, the Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Centre didn't have just have the training center or the hospital. They also had a research center. Yeah. Where they were testing these things because they wanted to use these. What we call paranormal abilities. Now, for humankind, for example, they would work with the energy, with the chi to, uh, get a better harvest from, uh, when they, when they plant, uh, the corn, for example.

Mm-hmm. So they had a, a big division dedicated to this research, and this is where all the results come from. And this is where all these, uh, little exercises come from that we do today in many of our teaching. So I know for somebody who's never done Zhineng Qigong. This sounds like we are talking about crazy stuff here.

Uh, but, uh, but exercises like spoon bending or reading the cards is common practice in Zhineng Qigong trainings these days, in particular with children. They find it so easy. And I myself have been to, um, a training just two weeks ago. Which is about seeing without eyes. You basically close the eyes or get a black mask, and then you see, and it's incredible, uh, you know how far you can take it.

And for me, you know, I'm beginner when I do these things. Uh, but the people that have been practicing this for longer, they, they get incredible results. So I'm not surprised that if you. Say that, uh, at that center they were able to, to take a solid object and put it through another solid object that it actually, you know, it was part of the research.

Unfortunately, these research papers are all in Chinese, so, uh, I think it's a little early. For us to be access them. But with, uh, uh, artificial intelligence and these translation tools moving so fast, I think it's a question of one or two years where all these research will be accessible to us and, uh, we can find out more about what was exactly done at the center.

, Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it, it did, these are just little experience. Yes. Uh. To there, there are two. Maybe I keep the biggest experience for a, after the day before we left, uh, we are all called to, uh, the um, uh, the auditorium over there. There were. 2000 people. And, uh, we were on the stage behind the master who would be doing a demonstration.

So, and it was translated that too. So he, he started to organize. I didn't know at the time what it was organized that she failed, but, uh, we, uh, uh, we were told after. And um, and then. He asked people that was translated, he asked people, okay, so after maybe 15, 20 minutes, uh, if that of organization, of the qi field, he said, okay, now who in the audience has a cancer tumor that can be touched?

That can be seen? So, um. Oh, I would say, you know, the number, a dozen, a dozen of people, uh, got up maybe more. And, um, and he, he, he went to, and that was translated as, as he was seeing and saying things. So he said, where is your tumor? And I remember this first, uh, guy was under the armpit and it, there was a.

A tumor there. And, um, he said, uh, so he asked the guy, you can touch it. How is it? It's, it's, it's hard, and da, da da. I said, okay. He said, uh, uh, roll your shoulders back. Roll your shoulders forward. Turn your head one side, the other side. Uh, I say that maybe it was not necessarily just that. Right. You know, uh, and he said, touch it.

The guy touched, gone, gone. Second person, third person, all, all, all of them gone. Just move your head gone wherever they were in, in their body and the last person, and he said, and you. Where, where is your tumor? She had a, a, a, a big bulge here on the neck. Um, he said, touch it. It's hard. Okay. Um, he said, okay, turn your head, turn your, this said, touch it.

It was still there. So he, he, he said, uh, do this or Move your shoulders, touch it. It was still there. It was softer a little bit, but it was still there. And then after three or four times he said, come on. Are you, uh, how much are you, uh, attached to that? Are you ready to let it go? What, yes. What are you hanging on to?

And he said, touch it, gone. Right? So, uh, that was very, very impressive. Very impressive. But the, uh, the most extraordinary, uh, was, uh, the day that Dr. Pang came and, um, apparently, uh, he was coming to the center, uh, once a month and people who kind of could not heal themself. He was just, uh. Finishing it. Uh, so here are thousands of people we're outside and, um, everybody's sitting on their little seat, fabulous little seat.

And then there's rows, one or two rows of people in wheelchair and in front of those people. Are people who are laid down because they cannot even sit. And some, for years. For years. And in the wheelchair too, there was, uh, a guy, I remember the story, uh, with who we talk later or, uh. He had been a, a businessman.

He had had an accident, and anyway, he was in a wheelchair for 16 years. There was nothing the traditional medicine could do. And, um, so the, the, the day start and, and, and everybody. Um, there are few leaders in the front that they're singing or they're, and they're clapping their hand at the same time, you know, and singing.

And, and then Dr. Pang arrive and, uh, they continue. They continue. And Dr. Pang meet, um, meats. Everyone one by one, everyone is brought. So therefore we, we, uh, uh, we, we had the, the, the, the incredible blessing to meet with him. Uh, it was so, I, I cannot describe the feeling.. Just so incredible out of this world.

And anyway, after us, there were the people in, in, in, that were laid down on, on a bed. That rolls were brought to him. In the middle there.

I could see I was behind him, like maybe I would say. 15 feet just right behind him, or 20 feet maybe. And, um, he talked a little bit and, and always with a smile and a gentleness and love, I guess a incredible love for ever great one. So, talk a little bit, very gently, very nicely on what he was saying. And then he, he, he move his hand to take the hand of the, the person in, in bed.

The person sat up and walk away. For sure. When the people from the wheelchair or the bed were walking or were standing up, they had someone on either side because their muscle are, you know, totally aro. Yes. Atrophy, atrophy. And but, but they were moving, they were moving, uh, more so on the bed, they were sitting, you know, it's, it's, it, it's like being in another word and, and, uh, you know, telling that to people, people.

Just take it and smile and say, oh yeah, yeah. You know, uh, it's unbelievable. It's an extraordinary blessing. Yeah, I mean that's one of the biggest challenge because these things always sound, as you said, as if it's from another world, but it's not. I mean, you been there, it's not, there's actually footage, uh, on YouTube where you can see him doing exactly what you described with a long line of people, uh, in wheelchairs or not being able to move.

And he just, you know, talks to them a little bit, takes their hand, smiles with this incredible love, and then they suddenly start moving or standing up. So it is, yeah, it is as how it is and we know it's working. And you said it's, this was not a group of 10 crazy people. There were thousands of people, uh, at the hospital.

And they came for a reason because when they returned back to their villages and, and people could see that they had healed, you know, they knew there was something about it that they also wanted if they were in a difficult health situation. And this is the success story of, uh, Zhineng Qigong and, uh, Huaxia . Uh.

Zhineng Qigong Centre. Um, I just wanted to add something because you said Dr. Pang came once a month. I think what you meant, he came once a month to the hospital part because there were many parts of the Huaxia Center. Yes. So he was obviously present all the time, but, but he had to divide his attention, uh, to the different, uh, sections.

And, uh, he also totally trusted in the healing abilities of each of his students. They were not called patients, they were called students there. And, uh, as each of his. Doctors, which were not called doctors or masters, they were just called teachers. Um, so he, he totally trusted their abilities, which is also, um, a breakaway from a Chinese tradition where the master is the all knowing and he can do the healing towards know everyone of us can do the work for, uh, for ourselves and for others.

And, uh, I think this is the beauty of Zhineng Qigong So, so I think there's great things that you're sharing here. Yeah, this is, um, I think the most precious, um, way because, uh, it gives the power back to the people to heal themself, right? And everybody can do it. Everybody can do it. We just need to learn.

We never learned that. Oh my God, we can do that. And a lot of Zhineng Qigong is okay. There's, there are the movements and, and, but, uh, there are also, and, and there's the knowledge also, uh, of, uh, everything, the environment around and, and, and like. But I think the power and the greatness of it is. The, the work, the mastery with the mind, the um, the, the development of the mind that each and every individual on this planet has a extraordinary mind.

Our mind is not what we just think that it is in a limited way, you know? Yeah. Um, now. Is there anything else you would like to share about your time at the Huaxia Center? It was, uh, everybody was so. Uh, from their heart, we did not understand them. But, uh, you know, we could, uh, can at time communicate, uh, uh, in different ways.

Um, uh, a place of love, a place of. Great, great love. And I think that it starts with the love of self to be open to this, uh, enough. And, um, the food was extraordinary and the food, uh, I, I learned at a certain point, uh, at the beginning we had, you know, like Chinese, when you go into to a Chinese restaurant is, you know.

Tens of, uh, little food here and there and, and we, so we had tables like that and I just learned that food, food were, um, were going with the element they were food from, uh, with the intent to bring the five elements, uh, on the table. Uh, I felt that it was very interesting. Yeah. As well. Yeah. And then you left the Huaxia Center, went back to the US and your life, uh, went on for around 35 years or something, and now you are back, uh, learning the very techniques that you experienced, uh, all those years back then.

But maybe you can take us. Quickly through the next 35 years. Um, yeah. Yeah. And tell us what happened, the major, uh, uh, well, some of the major thing, uh, well, when I went back, uh, for sure, first of all, I, I taught that to my husband and we were doing it every day. And I, I, with the very, uh. Ignorance I had because, you know, just I, I could understand just so much.

I taught, I taught, uh, like portan at the time. We had a practice called X Shang, ch and Cent Merge. Uh, but it was mainly the, the port down and. To various, some people that were doing it a little bit more, Shing, Shang Shang, and I don't know if I pronounce it right. Uh, also it's, uh, maybe Shing, Shang Sw or, you know, over the years, you know, it kind of, uh, changed.

But, um, I thought that for maybe. A year, and then we moved. And, um, just my husband and I, we did it for four years, but we had an incredible health. We were very strong and, and, you know, in harmony and, and, um, and then life, you know, goes around us and pull us here, pull us there. And, um, basically kind of, uh, we, we kind of, uh, uh.

Left it a little bit and uh, and went on to other experiences because we were so healthy and we didn't. We even did not phantom to be sick one day. And, and also you were probably, there was probably no community you could connect with at that point, right? No, no, that's right. There was no internet. Um, so it was like, just, you know.

Through real letters or phone, you know, but, uh, that's amazing. This is really another lifetime. Now what's important for me is to master my mind.

No matter what you do, no matter what is possible, uh, anything is possible. There is no limit. I think that is a beautiful closing word, Hélène. Uh, so thank you very much, uh, for sharing all your experiences here in the Huaxia Center and a little bit about your personal journey as well. I think this is very, very valuable because as you know.

Not many people, um, were lucky and had the chance to be there personally. And although, uh, you didn't speak the language, uh, you, you caught, I think you got so much out of this experience and you learn so much, um, that it's definitely, you know, wonderful. And I'm very grateful for you to share it here with our, our students and our teachers on this program.

Just, just before we go, uh, I just wanna say that, and zhineng qigong now makes everything I learned, um, hold together. Makes sense.