Lens of Leadership: A Ted Lasso Rewatch Podcast

Embracing Change | S1 E5

• Marnie Stockman and Nick Coniglio • Season 1 • Episode 5

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In Season 1, Episode 5 of Ted Lasso, Tan Lines, it is not just the team that is broken. Change needs to happen. Ted says in his half-time speech, change isn’t easy but they need to embrace it. Marnie and Nick talk through elements of change from a leadership perspective on this episode of Lens of Leadership. Overcoming challenges requires a flexible mindset and some bravery, but the opportunities for growth, connection and learning come with it.

We reflect on how embracing change is not just about adapting, but about being a catalyst for innovation and inspiration as a leader. We relate it back to the 'Ted Lasso' universe, emphasizing the importance of positivity and endurance, even when the game plan changes. Ted might say - think of it as constructing your success story one 'Lego' at a time — a mindset that helps in piecing together resilience and positivity in both leadership and life. Tune in and join the conversation to understand how change, though daunting, can be the very thing that propels us forward.

Marnie Stockman:

Welcome to Lens of Leadership, our Ted Lasso rewatch podcast. Before we dive into this episode's leadership lessons, let's watch a quick recap.

Speaker 2:

As season one, episode five starts, ted ices his head in Rebecca's office. He confesses that he is having marital problems. Keely made the right decision leaving Jamie and Jamie still won't make the extra pass. Ted's wife and son arrive. Rebecca suggests Keely starts doing branding work for other players. Roy incorrectly questions Keely about why she hangs out with Jamie. Ted and family have a field of dreams moment, but Michelle isn't happy. Oklahoma Ted gets advice from Beard, nate and Higgins. Jamie is so divisive on the field that Ted benches him even after scoring two goals and Ted's moving halftime. Talk about tan lines is not just a pep talk for the team they believe. Roy makes the extra pass and Sam scores the winning goal. Beard points out that the wanker cheer is the same but different. Roy scares Keeley in the parking lot and apologizes. Ted lets Michelle go. Coach Beard is there for Ted. As episode five ends with a nightcap, Welcome back everyone.

Nick Coniglio:

I'm Nick Coniglio.

Marnie Stockman:

And I'm Marnie Stockman, and this is Lens of Leadership, a Ted Lasso rewatch podcast. We are the authors of Lead it Like Lasso, a leadership book for life, your life.

Nick Coniglio:

Or, as we like to say, the ultimate cheat code to help you level up in life. For those of you who are joining us for the first time, we take a different approach by deep diving into some leadership principles drawn from the episode.

Marnie Stockman:

And with today's episode, tan Lines we're going to take a deep dive into embracing change.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, that was kind of an easy one as we watched this episode. First of all, great episode Tan Lines. But I think you know, as I watched it, you know you can see the theme coming out and this is what's again what's great about this series. But there's really three different areas that I saw that were all about change, you know, dealing with the challenges of it or, you know, ultimately hoping to embrace it. We had Keely and Jamie moving on with their respective lives after their breakup.

Speaker 2:

And Jamie, thank you. Whenever I break up with someone, I spend months questioning it, wondering if I made a huge fucking mistake. I spent months questioning it, wondering if I made a huge fucking mistake, but you have really helped me to feel good about this decision just by being you.

Nick Coniglio:

You're welcome. We had AFC Richmond needing to move on kind of from the selfish play of Jamie Tartt Fellas.

Speaker 2:

We're broken, we need to change. And look, I know change can be scary.

Nick Coniglio:

And, of course, we've been getting hints up until this episode about Ted and his personal life with his marriage and Henry, his son, but we really start getting a lot of information about Ted needing to move on from his marriage. Every day I wake up hoping that I'll feel the way I felt in the beginning.

Marnie Stockman:

But maybe that's just what marriage is right. And I am going to add one more, and that is along with Keely and Jamie, breaking up the growth of Keely with Rebecca's help. So not just personally, but professionally as well.

Speaker 2:

If any of the other players needed some branding work done, is that something you'd be interested in?

Nick Coniglio:

So let me ask you are you a change type of gal? I mean, do you like change?

Marnie Stockman:

So it's funny you say that when I worked in the school system, one of my mentors, who had been my boss a couple of different times, was the assistant superintendent, and when I first became the math supervisor, she's like OK, Marnie, first you and I are the same, we might like change a little too much. So, like you need we should know that about ourselves so that we don't just squirrel into the next thing. Right, which I thought was an important lesson to learn. I always I remember where I'm sitting when she told me that. So how about you? How do you? Do you like change? Embrace it.

Nick Coniglio:

You know, I'm a little bit of an oxymoron, I think. From that standpoint, I'm the type of guy that I find a restaurant, I find a specific meal at a restaurant. I'm not deviating from that plan, right. I don't like to try anything new in terms of routine or anything like that in terms of routine or anything like that. But you know, when I think about my, just my whole professional development, it has progressed almost entirely on change. Right, when I was my first job out of school I worked in Manhattan and I decided I didn't like commuting into New York City at all and I got up and I moved to Atlanta, kind of on a whim, with almost no money, just looking for a change. And as I think about my career, you know, every major progression I made it was a conscious effort, not without apprehension, but it was a conscious effort to really seek out change and and the benefits from that I think I've just I've greatly benefited from it, from from just embracing change of some sort.

Marnie Stockman:

So you sound like Ted going to Atlanta. So instead of going across the pond, not quite as dramatic for sure.

Nick Coniglio:

But you know, I think, with just with my experiences it's. You know, we often talk about embracing change and change management as kind of a leadership skill, but really it's a, it's a growth strategy.

Marnie Stockman:

Yeah, I think that's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a growth strategy.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, I think that's yeah, yeah, yeah and it's. It just leads to significant development kind of in anybody's personal or professional life. And you know, for me that was not something that I sought out, but time after time, the benefits of of embracing change and looking to change has has always paid off for me.

Marnie Stockman:

I think you know, when you mentioned change, you kind of discussed sort of your I'll say a little risk aversion, but I think it is um an element that that really change also is opportunity. So there's, it's kind of like what's the Chinese symbol for crisis is an element of danger and an element for opportunity, and I think the same when I think about change.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, I think to that point. You know, taking you out of your comfort zone right pushes you into new experiences. You learn how to adapt to situations that previously seemed daunting and then it builds on. It builds on that right, it leads to increased confidence and resilience. So why don't we start off talking about change from a personal perspective just a little bit? And I think the big thing in this particular episode, as we saw in our recap, big thing in this particular episode, as as we saw in our recap, is we start to realize that ted took this job, in this position, really to give his wife and child some space, really, michelle 4 438 miles worth of space per night.

Nick Coniglio:

Yes, yes, what was his dad's? Was it a cartographer?

Marnie Stockman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2:

Do you want to ask you a personal question? Fire away. If you're so worried about your relationship, then why did you fly 4,438 miles away? That is a very specific number to know off top of your head. Oh well, my dad used to be a cartographer. No it, I thought it was a good question. Why do it? I think at some point I realized that me being around so much was doing more harm than good.

Nick Coniglio:

From a personal perspective, I talked earlier about, you know, expanding my comfort zone and into new experiences. There's a difference between really seeking change and being forced to change.

Marnie Stockman:

Yes.

Nick Coniglio:

Don't you think?

Marnie Stockman:

Well, I do, if you think about Jamie Tartt, and he's not seeking any change whatsoever and Ted's trying to make him move in that direction, versus Keeley, who wasn't seeking change but was inspired, which I think is a sign of a of a leader which, like maybe Rebecca's coming around a little bit Right and Ted was seeking change that would maybe feel good to him. I think his biggest struggle is that you know he has two personal core values, and we talk a lot about core values that I think come to play Positivity right.

Marnie Stockman:

And as he said. You know, michelle particularly told the therapist that, like his, whatever annoying, incessant positivity was hard to bear. So that was one of them. And the other was you know what he mentioned that he promised himself he would never quit anything, right, and yet it appeared as though he was quitting his marriage.

Speaker 2:

I promised myself I would never quit anything in my life.

Marnie Stockman:

And so he was really fighting with himself about this change until he gave himself and the team the pep talk of a century, right there with the tan lines. Locker room speech.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, yeah, that was certainly an interesting metaphor analogy to use in terms of that.

Nick Coniglio:

But I want to pull you back for a second, because you talk about, we talked about Ted actually in the show he is the line and he said I told myself that I would never quit anything in my life, right, and that's.

Nick Coniglio:

And then Michelle responds with you know, you're not just letting go, but you know, I think there's there's some notion around quitting and it just has such negative overtones and I think in some cases, quitting is is really, uh, it could be viewed as a positive, um, change in your life, right? I think you know it's important to counter the narrative that quitters always fail, because in a lot of respects, quitting is an agent to actually get to change, and the change is positive, right? Think about the times when you're stuck in a toxic situation, right? Or you really need to change the direction. That is not the trajectory that you're meant to go on, whether it's related to being somebody who you were not supposed to be, it's against your core values, so forth and so on. So what do you think about that in terms of quitting, do you get the same sense that I do that there's a lot of people that are just black and white and they hear the word quitting and they view that as negative.

Marnie Stockman:

So first, the same mentor I mentioned earlier used to use the phrase of students sometimes acting out as an act of sanity. So sometimes them having a fit in class is really like it's a bad situation, it's a toxic situation and in terms of quitting, I absolutely think, yeah, it certainly gets a bad rap, but sometimes you need a catalyst for a change to happen. You know, it's funny. I started thinking about the whole divided locker room and I played volleyball in college and I had to sit out my junior year because I'd been sick, and so I went back my senior year to a new coach and the new coach was all about hazing the freshmen, which was I'm not comfortable with in general, so I wouldn't participate. So whatever she made the freshmen do, I would also do, because I just wasn't going to engage in making people feel bad and more than half the team were freshmen. So when it came to vote for captains, in a shocking turn of events I was elected as one of the captains and there was clearly a power struggle that went on. I was pro team and she was pro her, and I'm sure I played into that. I'm not going to pretend like I was a saint at all, but as it got worse, she benched me on senior night and I can take it right, I've been coached by all kinds before but it really hurt my parents' feelings. They like they brought family to see it and it crushed them and um, and it wasn't getting any better and the team felt divided. Um, because I was 21, I would drive one of the school the team buses and she would drive the other and mine would have 10 of the 16 people plus me and she would have the rest of the team. So it sort of showed you the struggle and I decided that I had to quit and so I went into her office.

Marnie Stockman:

It was absolutely the hardest thing I ever did up until that point. And when I went in and I said I don't remember what led up to it other than a lot of anxiety and I'm going to quit. And she said you can't quit, you're the leader on the team. And she said if you quit, the rest of the team is going to quit too. And I said yeah, have you thought about that? And she said what do you mean?

Marnie Stockman:

And I gave the example which one of the teammates had told me the day before we would do these two minute bonsai drills, where she would stand there and just drill balls at you all over the floor and you had to dive and sprawl and everyone was on the clock for two minutes. But she put me on the clock for three minutes and there were a couple other examples of that and I gave that example. I'm not the one causing this power struggle, right? And she said well, I need you to be a leader. And I said then you should use me for the betterment of the team instead of clashing with me. It was one of the hardest things I ever did, but we kind of came to an agreement on what that would look like and we ended up winning the division championship that year. But I had to. I had to basically let go, um, even though I really didn't want to love volleyball.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, that. Um, that reminds me, I think, and this is a random, just side topic right here Right. Um, but you know, when I was watching the episode and we were thinking about you know, okay, we're going to talk about the theme of embracing change. It kind of reminds me of my favorite movie, I think of all time, which is Remember the Titans, and I don't know, have you ever seen them?

Marnie Stockman:

Oh, yes, it's a good one, yeah, yeah.

Nick Coniglio:

I mean for those in the audience go see it if you haven't, if you haven't seen it before, but it's it's about it. I think the setting is early 1970s and it's a story of a Virginia high school where they they for the first time, the school integrated black and white students, school integrated black and white students and it was met with resistance by every stakeholder imaginable the teachers, the students, the community and they really modeled the story of. I think it was coach Herman Boone, Denzel Washington, right, he takes over the football program and he is all about bringing together both white and black students and, unlike your story, this is where the coach actually took the position of leadership right.

Nick Coniglio:

And he embraced this change and he did it. How did he do it? He did it through tough conversations. He did it through really working the students or the athletes, the football players, hard, so they had something to bond over in terms of.

Marnie Stockman:

And a buy-in for the one right.

Nick Coniglio:

Absolutely, absolutely. It's a great movie. I'm sorry that was a quick tangent to that.

Marnie Stockman:

I do think folks that appreciate some of the message of Ted Lassa will appreciate that movie too. It is a good one.

Nick Coniglio:

Absolutely Okay. So switching gears a little bit, for some people it's really hard. They are very resistant to making change and I described a scenario earlier that that's been part of my MO for as long as I remember, although I've gradually learned to accept change is a good thing. But maybe we can talk a little bit about what some of our perceived benefits are about making change maybe some rapid fire items from each of our perspectives. So you want me to start or you want to start.

Marnie Stockman:

Well, I have one right out of the gate, which is sometimes it takes a perspective that is new to a scenario in order to have a creative solution or actually innovate right. It's one of those you can't solve the problem with the brain that created it. So I think if you're willing to look at a change from a very different perspective, I think that can bring innovation and some problem solving.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, it's kind of like continuous learning, right. That change forces you to learn new skills. As you said, think creatively. And you're right, I think innovation, absolutely Okay. So I guess I'm up next, right? So I think that you know change to me encourages new connections, right, and I think we've established on previous podcasts that I tend to be an introvert and although I would love to go out and meet new people, you know that's just not my personality, but I'd like to think it was. So. I think every time I've made a change and I don't care if it's moving to Atlanta for the first time, or switching jobs, or playing golf, picking up a new hobby, golf, what have you. The direct benefit to me has always been I've been introduced to new people, right, and I can think back of where I was to where I am today, what we've done in terms of building a business and then writing a book. My career started as a computer programmer, where I had an entire circle of five people that I worked with and I was pretty good at it.

Nick Coniglio:

I can drink four Coca-Colas a day and I was completely satisfied with that right. If I never would have taken that step, which was way outside my comfort zone, to go into consulting and actually interact with people, I really I can't imagine I would be as well off today as as I currently am because of the changes that I made.

Marnie Stockman:

So it expanded your opportunities.

Nick Coniglio:

It expanded my opportunities. I met new people. You know, ultimately we we ended up figuring out how to work together. I just all the steps that I took, really, which was about embracing change, taking new opportunities, led me to the connections where I am today, and I think that's worked out well for me.

Marnie Stockman:

So I think another benefit of embracing change is the notion that you mentioned continuous learning. But growth, right. In order for there to be growth, you kind of have to. There has to be a pain for you to work through, and that change forces you. Sometimes it's introspective, right. Like Ted, he had to take a good hard look at this. I'm never going to quit and reframe it in a way that made sense. His incessant positivity that Michelle couldn't handle, Right. He, he still wanted to go about it the right way, in a positive way, as he would. But he had to grow through the pain to get there, and that's a bit of what his pep talk was about.

Nick Coniglio:

Right, I mean challenges, right it's. You know change always introduces new challenges. You have to overcome those challenges and then you figure out how to emerge stronger. And just the fact of continuously going through that process if you're one that always seeks out change, it can only help you. Because gosh knows that life's full of ups and downs. Right, the whole notion of building resilience to overcome those challenges is a critical skill.

Marnie Stockman:

So you reminded me of a quote I saw the other day which said you can't be brave if you aren't scared first. Right. And so the whole notion of like accomplishing, winning, defeating a challenge or some resistance again that requires bravery means you had to do something scary, taking a risk, embracing change, challenging your own status quo. You know your own core values or somebody that you respected or looked up to that maybe you have to push back on a bit becoming more flexible and adaptable as many times as you can and you introduce yourself to those new challenges.

Nick Coniglio:

You slowly begin to learn and anticipate changes right, and then adjust your strategies. I mentioned it earlier, I left a computer programming job and I went into consulting, and the first thing again, this has introverted me, right, it really stumbles to speak to anybody, but the first thing the owner of the company had me do was training classes, for I think it was the first three to six months that I worked there. So I went from the standpoint of sitting at a keyboard, working with hardly anybody, to then have to speak and train people on how to use data and how to perform analysis. And this was like it was eight hour training classes, right, it was a lot and I'm like this change thing ain't so fun, Right?

Nick Coniglio:

I actually took the position knowing that I would put myself. I would expand.

Marnie Stockman:

What made you?

Nick Coniglio:

decide to do that, was it to grow? This was not. This trajectory of just sitting in a room at a keyboard was not going to result in the career that I wanted. I wanted to result in and and I had some. I had some deep-seated issues right. I I recall I had high school classes where I said maybe 10 words the entire year. It was very, very hard for me to really interact with people. I was that shy and I knew and this was in my early 20s that something had to change and I had to force myself to be put in that position to grow as a person. And I think all the things that we've talked about expanding your comfort zones, being more adaptable, continuous learning, that we've talked about expanding your comfort zones being more adaptable, continuous learning, being resilient, establishing connections they were all in play as I made that jump from programmer to consultant.

Marnie Stockman:

I feel like for Keely, rebecca is a huge connection that is going to push her. Did you have? Was there a mentor that was encouraging, or was this all internal? And even if you didn't have somebody that was pulling you?

Speaker 2:

did you reach?

Marnie Stockman:

out. Once you decided like things aren't going to stay this way for me.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, that was through a connection, right. It was somebody who I had worked with who had gone to this consulting company and he was probably looking for a referral bonus and he said, hey, Nick's pretty good with data. But yeah, I mean at that point that changed my career entirely because I ended up working for somebody who greatly shifted the trajectory of my life, and it was one of my mentors, gary. Thank you, gary.

Nick Coniglio:

If you're out there somewhere. But that ultimately led to another connection. My next role was a chief operating officer. Through the connections that I made at that company, I mean, it's not rocket science, right, but without again I keep going back to, without the willingness to accept change and embrace it, in some kind of way you're just closing off opportunities to yourself. At least in my, in my world I would have been, because I'm just by nature not somebody that that seeks out new connections, relationships, so forth and so on.

Marnie Stockman:

Well, I know, you know I'm a connector, so I'm always, but I don't always actively reach out. Well, I know, you know I'm a connector, so I'm always, but I don't always actively reach out. But I am always open to that and it makes me think a lot about listening, but not just to what people say, but remaining open to opportunities. Every time I've interviewed for a job and more often I don't actually interview for a job so it suggests like, hey, maybe you should come do this. And so we have a conversation around a job and they'll ask where do you see yourself in five years or 10 years or whatever that may be?

Marnie Stockman:

And my answer is always well, I like a new challenge, and right now this is a new challenge, so I can't really see past this. But when this becomes ordinary, right, I will want a new challenge, whatever that may be, and I'm open to figuring out what that is. So I feel like that's not what they want to hear. They want me to say oh, I plan on being a director and achieve this and achieve that where it's more open to whatever opportunity or challenge that will inspire some change and growth in myself. So I think listening is really a key component. Clearly you were listening, and you listened to yourself and others.

Nick Coniglio:

So well played. Yeah, I'll tell you. It kind of reminds me of what are we doing right here. Can you imagine, not 18 months ago, that we would have authored a book Right that won an award? That won an award, little self-pats on the back right there and and gosh. To me that's less surprising than we're actually on a podcast discussing it from my perspective. So, and yeah, I I think it's all about embracing change. We're living our best life every day because we're willing to take the risk and take a chance on change.

Marnie Stockman:

So I'm curious do you think you have ever been a change agent for anyone else? Any of your employees have you inspired? Did you have active strategies to help folks with this, have you?

Nick Coniglio:

inspired. Did you have active strategies to help folks with this Besides encouraging it? You know my leadership style. It's more by example, right, but I think part of something that I'm proud of in terms of how I've evolved as a leader over time is encourage risk-taking. Encourage people that I worked with or that worked on my team to look for new opportunities right, to look out for what's best for them, of not just thinking about yourself, but if you're on a team with your teammates or if you're fortunate enough to manage a team, always encourage people to see is there something out there that will help push them.

Marnie Stockman:

Yeah, if you can encourage them to become the best version of themselves, right, that is only better for the team, really, even if ultimately they end up leaving the team Like it. Just it breeds the type of people who are aiming to grow and learn and and better and better themselves and the team. And I will disagree with you because you absolutely have been a change agent for me. I can remember when we worked together in the software company when you would say, like we can do this, you know, here's, here's an opportunity or this is what we should do. That reframed my thinking to think, oh, if we want to make that change, let's propose.

Marnie Stockman:

I can remember when we it might've involved a wig and a wrap that I ended up doing right, but it made a difference in the product because we were able to look at things differently. And you inspired that by saying let's take a step back and take a look at what we could do to make that difference. So you definitely have. I do know your leadership style and you're being humble that folks really do listen to what you have to say and when you're always looking for what's best for them and the best version of them, it's amazing what they do to step up, to become that best version, a lot like what Rebecca is doing with Keely.

Nick Coniglio:

No doubt.

Marnie Stockman:

And what Ted's doing with Roy right. Yeah, the first domino to fall is starting to fall. He just shook his hand on the field because he recognized what he did by pulling Jamie Tartt off, and that wasn't an easy move for him. Ted wanted it all to work, but this change is going to take a different path than Ted saw coming first of all, thank you for everything you said earlier.

Nick Coniglio:

But going back to that scene when, when ted replaced jamie after that, they met at halftime before ted's big speech and it wasn't lost on anybody. I don't think that it hasn't watched the show that the first comment was from roy.

Marnie Stockman:

Yeah, all right, sit down, listen, listen. Things are happening, changes are coming. And I thought it was funny because it took me back to the first episode where I said shut up, you know, like you wanted to hear what coach had to say in more of a negative regard. And this is change. This is same but different. This is where he's saying oh hush, I want to hear this because this is going to be important and I think that same but different line at the end is really important.

Marnie Stockman:

I think it ties together everything that we've said about change. And when you think about it, ted, like we've talked about, had to take two of his core values positivity and never quitting and had to figure out how to make that work at work and at home, while making some big changes. And he still has positivity and he still has a never quit attitude. So it's the same, but it is different in how it's playing out. It's different than what he expected and I would challenge leaders and everyone's a leader, right, like your personal leadership of what of your own core values are maybe holding you back from making that change? Maybe is it? You are risk averse. Well, can we work through that and find a way to embrace the change. To get to the other side Absolutely.

Nick Coniglio:

And I think one of the ways that you can do that is by seeking out people who have actually gone through change. Right, and I think Ted does a masterful job in the story relating in the show, relating his stories. But you asked earlier, I think one of the ways as leaders if you are a leader and you happen to work with people or you mentor people and I know we do that from time to time right, I think just sharing your experiences about specifically, the fact that you did make a conscious effort to make a change is something that inspires people and I think that's something that we all need to remember because, again, we go back to the beginning, A lot of people really struggle with the whole concept of change and and the more you can kind of show the benefits and the outcomes, I think, I think the better.

Marnie Stockman:

The other piece I would just like to throw in there is that sometimes people are so busy in their day to day we here in the business world I'm too busy working in the business to work on the business they're also sometimes too busy in their own lives to look, take a step back and look at their lives or themselves from an overview perspective, and so I think when you see something in someone, you should tell them that you see it right.

Marnie Stockman:

When my boss said, oh, we like change a little more than we should, right With some tips about like how does that play out and how should I look at that differently, I think it matters and people will think on that, especially if it's something positive. I can remember we were interviewing for a customer success position and someone told me that they didn't think they were right for the role because they had been training in sales. And I called him back and I said I think you're wrong and I think here's why Every time you talk about successful stories, it wasn't in closing a sale, it wasn't helping someone solve a problem, and that's what we need for customer success. And he has proudly posted that on LinkedIn that that, in his mind, changed the career path he wanted to. So I think I challenge everyone to find the Keely Joneses of the world and point out like you know, there's something here. This is a strength, because you might be that change agent for some, absolutely.

Nick Coniglio:

All right. So before we wrap up, there was one other scene that I want to talk about, and that's when Ted and Henry were building the double-decker lego bus in Ted's apartment.

Speaker 2:

I'll be able to feel the dreams metaphor don't you want to go ride a real double-decker bus after we finish? See, I like that. First we got to build it, then we can ride it. It's kind of a field of dreams paradigm.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, and we actually had this in our book as one of our rules, and it was all about manifested.

Marnie Stockman:

Yeah, right, it happened.

Nick Coniglio:

Yeah, yeah. So I feel like we've lived this for the past five years. We built a company. We knew it was going to be successful, didn't really know what we were. Hey, in three to five years we're going to be here without really anything other than a set of core values and an operating framework. We did a similar thing with the book. We're going to write this book and we're going to market it and it's going to be, you know, this whole notion of you know, just selling a couple of hundred books for the first book you ever write. We're just going to ignore that completely and and start winning awards. And we did it. So I feel like I'm bragging now, but you know, we're only bringing it up because we have this whole notion of let's just make it happen, manifest it. What do you?

Marnie Stockman:

think about that. So I mean, I think the whole notion is, if you can see it, you can build steps to make it happen. Right, that's why we talk about vision being so important and, along the way, the only way you will get to a big dream is with some change, and so I think that's you know. All right, ted, henry, michelle sat down with a big old Lego kit. They could see it.

Marnie Stockman:

It wasn't easy, but they could build it piece by piece, and the Lego analogy, I think, is a really good one, for you have to have two things in order to make something happen One is the vision, and then two is the tactical steps, right, the manual for making it happen. But then the bit with embracing the change is to work through the struggles to move the needle to make it happen, and that is how everyone levels up to become the best version of themselves. That is what leaders need to manifest in themselves, they need to manifest in others, and that is at home, at work, in the boardroom, a locker room, a living room. Right, it's the same, it's the same idea.

Nick Coniglio:

Perfect. That's a great way to wrap it up. So what I'm going to manifest right now is figuring out a way to marry, kind of the two things that are really driving my life right now, which is the NFL draft, which is in a couple of weeks, and these podcasts, and I say we're going to introduce some change into the podcast. Yeah, where it's, it's all about drafting.

Marnie Stockman:

Are we going to draft some Ted Lasso players?

Nick Coniglio:

Yes, a hundred percent yeah.

Marnie Stockman:

Yeah, this would be fun.

Nick Coniglio:

Absolutely so. Uh, until then. Uh, this has been great conversation around embracing change.

Marnie Stockman:

So we'll see all the next time and subscribe to our YouTube channel as we take a look at John Wooden's pyramid of success, don't forget, you can head to leaditlikelassocom to check out the full spreadsheet of all of his character traits of leadership. But today we're going to take a look at Keely, ted and Jamie in terms of adaptability, confidence and cooperation. In terms of adaptability, that is really that you can adjust to any situation, which is important when it comes to change. Confidence means respect without fear, and may come from being prepared and keeping all things in proper perspective. And finally, cooperation with all levels of your coworkers Listen if you want to be heard, and that'll lead to the best way which may, in fact, may not be your way, not be your way. So, as we take a look at adaptability, keely she really is adapting to her new world without Jamie, with potentially taking a look at some new work, so she is very open to being adaptable.

Marnie Stockman:

Ted, so we gave Keely a 10. We gave Ted a 7. He's definitely stuck in some things, but he is working through them. But we think he's letting go at the end of the episode, but for the bulk of that episode he was a little bit stuck and Jamie a 3. He's not adapting to anything. In terms of confidence, keeeley has an eight. She fairly well knows what she's doing, but she's looking at Rebecca thinking, oh, maybe there's more. Ted was lacking some confidence in his relationship. Jamie, unfortunately, is a 10, but it has gone too far. It might be a 15, and it is arrogance, so that is not going to serve him well. And in terms of cooperation, keely an eight. She's going along with things. Ted a 10. He's always cooperative and Jamie a big zero on that one. We hope you enjoyed this week's episode of Lens of Leadership. Be sure to join us next time and lead it like Lasso.

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