Lens of Leadership: A Ted Lasso Rewatch Podcast
Marnie Stockman and Nick Coniglio, authors of the book Lead it Like Lasso, dig into each episode of Ted Lasso with a lens of leadership. Each podcast starts with a fun quick-clip summary of the episode. Marnie and Nick tie together the leadership principles from Ted Lasso, their own business successes, thought leaders and everyday advice to help individuals level up as they lead themselves (and others). This is a great podcast for TedHeads! There are many other Ted Lasso podcasts out there - this is the "same but different."
Lens of Leadership: A Ted Lasso Rewatch Podcast
Be Curious, Not Judgmental | S1 Ep8
What if the key to effective leadership lies in a simple mantra: "Be curious, not judgmental"? On this episode of the Lens of Leadership podcast, we unpack this idea from Ted Lasso Season 1, Episode 8, "Diamond Dogs." We dive into Ted's heartfelt conversation with Coach Beard, Keeley's romantic entanglements with Roy and Jamie, and the formation of the Diamond Dogs support group. Through these storylines, we emphasize the critical role of trusted advisors and the power of curiosity in leadership. Our personal experiences, including a thrilling meeting with Robin Roberts and winning an award for "Lead it Like Lasso," add extra zest to our analysis.
Curiosity over judgment isn't just a catchy phrase or the most popular quote of the show—it's a transformative approach that can reshape how we interact with others, both online and offline. Roy's path towards maturity and Keeley's inquisitive nature are examples of leadership in practice. Through personal anecdotes, we highlight how assumptions can lead to misunderstandings, especially in stressful situations like road rage incidents. By adopting a curious mindset, we find the ability to handle high-pressure scenarios more effectively, ultimately leading to better outcomes.
In a world divided by polarization, curiosity and humility are essential tools for bridging gaps. Drawing from the wisdom of Adam Grant's "Think Again" and Mori Taheripour’s "Bring Yourself," we offer practical tips for maintaining an open mind, especially in challenging conversations with adult children. We review the character development of Ted, Keeley, and Roy, celebrating their growth while encouraging listeners to apply these principles in their own lives. Whether you're looking to enhance your leadership skills or navigate societal divides, this episode provides valuable insights to help you lead with curiosity.
Welcome to Lens of Leadership, our Ted Lasso rewatch podcast. Before we dive into this episode's leadership lessons, let's watch a quick recap.
Speaker 2:Season 1, episode 8. Diamond Dog starts with the team recovering from their late-night victory and Ted confessing to Coach Beard that he slept with Rebecca's friend Sassy. Keely tries to talk to Roy about why he didn't text her back but he was getting a massage and making noises. Ted seeks advice from Beard, higgins and Nate and realizes he needs to cut himself some slack. So they officially name this support group the Diamond Dogs. Keely is not sure what to think about Roy, so she sleeps with Jamie. Ted is grateful to Rebecca for helping him with his panic attack that biscuits with the boss get delivered with chocolate truffles. Rebecca asks Ted to help her. At lunch with two investors named the Milk Sisters, the dad puns ensue. Keely interviews the team about what types of products they might want to advertise for. Roy and Keely start to talk about their feelings toward each other. When Keely says that she slept with Jamie last night, roy their feelings toward each other. When Keely says that she slept with Jamie last night, roy grunts and Keely tells him to come back when he has words. He ends up the subject of the second Diamond Dogs meeting, where he is told to grow up and get over it.
Speaker 2:When Rupert shows up instead of the Milk Sisters. Ted asks if they have expired. Roy comes back to tell Keely that he likes her more than he hates. Jamie barely. Keely investigates his intentions, as several journalists from Keely Jones, the independent woman. Meanwhile, at the pub, rebecca asks Ted what he is doing. He says he believes it is called white knighting and everyone finds out that Ted is not too shabby at darts and to be curious and not judgmental. At practice, ted gets the players to spell out high boss for Rebecca and Higgins finally has had enough of Rebecca trying to sabotage the team so he quits. The show ends when Keeley walks in and tells Rebecca that she knows about the photo Rebecca tried to leak of her and Ted and she gives her the ultimatum you come clean to Ted or I will do it for you.
Speaker 1:I am.
Speaker 3:Nick Caniglieto.
Speaker 1:And I'm Marnie Stockman, and this is Lens of Leadership, a Ted Lasso rewatch podcast. We are the authors of Lead it Like Lasso, a leadership book for life, your life.
Speaker 3:Or, as we like to say, the ultimate cheat code to help you level up in life. For those of you who are joining us for the first time, we take a different approach by deep diving into some leadership principles drawn from the episode.
Speaker 1:And with today's episode Diamond Dogs we're going to dive into being curious and not judgmental.
Speaker 3:But before we get there, Marty, we took a little field trip last week, yeah we did. Do you want to tell everybody about that?
Speaker 1:Yes, if you do not follow us on social media, find us here there every effing where, as at Lead, at Life Lasso, and you will see that one. We got to meet Robin Roberts from Good Morning America and gave her a copy of our book and she said she read the subtitle A Leadership Book for Life, your Life and she said I love books like this, so we're super excited about that and, if you can believe, it even gets better. Our book won an award and we were on the NASDAQ display in New York City with a bunch of other authors, insanely excited to be able to share that with everybody.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that is exciting and setting the goals high. Hopefully someday we'll be able to make it on. Good Morning America.
Speaker 1:Oh, that'd be fantastic. Yeah, that'd be fun.
Speaker 3:And nerve wracking at the same time.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, it's stressful enough just meeting her, but I'd like to give it a whirl, yeah.
Speaker 3:You and me both All right, so let's talk about. So we had said that we're going to talk about being curious, not judgmental.
Speaker 1:The most quoted line ever from Ted Huffman. It's got to be.
Speaker 4:It's got to be yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we love that line. But let's talk about the episode a little bit first, because you know that one line kind of it takes, you know it takes your mind towards. That's the only thing that happened. But gosh, this episode was packed with stuff wasn't it?
Speaker 1:It was not until I rewatched it that I realized how many of my favorite scenes were actually in this episode many of my favorite scenes were actually in this episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so just I'll do a run through and then you can tell me what that one of your favorite scenes was, although I think I know. So a couple of things going on. So first we've got Louie and Keeley finally taking that next step in their relationship.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's a faltering step right, Like there's a little hitch in their giddy up, but yeah, they're taking their first step.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I think they got there by the end of the episode though, don't you think?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the whole episode was just the hitch in the giddy up bit Absolutely.
Speaker 3:And then the title of the show, of this particular episode, is the Diamond Dogs and if you know us and if you've read our book, we're very high on having accountability buddies and a group of people that that you trust and will hold yourself accountable and and can look to towards advice. We did a whole podcast on our diamond dog draft where we drafted characters from the show and we thought for sure, as we started to re-watch the show, that we would take a deeper dive into the diamond dogs. But then, gosh, that'd be curious, not judgmental line came up and we said we have to talk about that. But, yeah, start to love the diamond dogs. You know there's, there's one line in this episode um, that's bazi related to the diamond dogs just before, uh, roy has his first encounter with the Diamond Dogs. Do you remember what that line was?
Speaker 3:Before Roy meets the Diamond Dogs the funniest line, I think Roy said the entire show. Any guesses? It has to do with shapes.
Speaker 1:Yes, he has. He goes in and asks Ted, you know he said he's talking about he and Keely and Jamie. And Ted says you know the trickiest of all geometric shapes, the love triangle, except for was it the quadrilateral?
Speaker 3:It was something like that, the love quadrilateral or something.
Speaker 1:And Roy does deliver the best line. I'll let you say it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and Roy says my Facebook log is in the mood for shape-based jokes. Absolutely love it.
Speaker 1:I feel like this is you know on my behalf. It never debuts for me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's funny. I just got sent to me again on social media somewhere the interview that Brett Goldstein did talking about how he submitted his name for the role. He's one of the writers in the show and he thought he would be a really good Roy Kent. It's a great interview, by the way, but I feel like this is the first episode where really Brett Goldstein kind of just takes on the roy kent persona full. Yeah, because he was kind of a little a little a little tepid, a little uh soft in the in the first couple episodes, but he, he's got some winners in this line.
Speaker 1:Um, before he was just. You know, he was cussing and that was thing, but he didn't have the depth of character. And this is where we're really starting to see the full Roy Kent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think he had the growl that he started to establish in this episode too. But yeah, some other things on the episode. Higgins finally has had enough with Rebecca. He lets her know that they're not sold out for their last match against man City. And Rebecca's like hey, just give them away to man City. He's like you can't do that. We're about to face relegation. We need the home fans in there. And he's had enough.
Speaker 5:And he tells her that I should have been braver and I'm sorry for that, but I'm saying this to you now Stop it, or what?
Speaker 3:I quit.
Speaker 1:And then Rebecca gets the double whammy right Because Keely walks in, because she found out that yeah, that Rebecca had been the one to pay the reporter to get the picture of her with Ted and she gives the ultimatum.
Speaker 5:Oh hi. You arranged for the photographer to take this, roy, and I found it on a paparazzi camera card. He said you hired him. Don't deny it or pretend that you don't know.
Speaker 3:Eva, you come clean to Ted her, I'll do it for you you know where that's going, but tell me you know you talked about one. This episode had one of your favorite scenes, so which one was it?
Speaker 1:it just cracks me up when keely does the fake press conference with roy I'm over it right.
Speaker 5:Would you mind saying that to the rest of the room? I mean, the press deserves to know, mr kent, yeah hi, keely jones, the independent woman. Uh, yeah, you, keely jones, the independent woman online edition. Yeah, woman with the hair, keely jones, the independent woman magazine. Yeah, woman with the fucking eyes, keely jones, the independent woman insert on sunday I just love that.
Speaker 1:the flirtiness of it is funny, the roy like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this silly, but I'm gonna do it my way, and the way you respond. I just think, um, it's a fun way to see sort of the lightness of um, that relationship and you, in the land of being curious and not judgmental, right, I think good questioning is really important. So this wasn't before the curious, not judgmental scene, it wasn't even addressed with it. But I think the notion of questioning is really important and plus, I just I thought that was hilarious to describe in general.
Speaker 3:And it's. It's in line with again we talk about this week after week the writers of the show. They have a theme, right. You know the episode name was diamond dogs, but the the big scene in the show was the one that we'll talk about in a minute.
Speaker 1:Be curious, not judgmentalal, but they reinforce that theme throughout the entire show and that you don't notice until you go back with your spreadsheet and two pages of notes that we do for all the episodes right and say, like darn, those writers are good.
Speaker 3:They absolutely are. Some examples before again. We're not going to quite get to that scene yet, but you have any examples in the show where people are being curious? Non-judgmental.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that Roy and Keely they have acknowledged. Roy said he's trying to be more mature and have a more mature relationship. So you know, it was the first time in this episode where, as you're watching the show, you're thinking well, roy and Keely are going to blow up before it even starts because Roy's going to find out about Jamie and it's all going to go to heck in a handbasket and instead they have some curiosity.
Speaker 3:And I think in general the Keely character right is always in that mindset.
Speaker 1:It is one of her strengths, Like for people not paying attention to Keely as a leader. Yes, Curiosity willingness to be honest, but also kindly curious, I think, is a strength of hers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and not just about her personal interaction with people, but her business interaction. Right, she even goes through.
Speaker 1:You know she's trying to market Sam and Talon and Isaac, right, and she she can sell joy with Danny, yeah with Danny, but she wants to hit it from then, and you and I have both been in the business environment so many times where people just make assumptions based on observing the person and not talking directly to the person and how many times has it been that if the leader had listened to the team, that they would have gotten to a better conclusion, because the people doing the work saw things that the leader didn't see, but they just made assumptions about what they thought was going on countless times right.
Speaker 3:And you bring up assumptions and we've given Keely a lot of props because she does a good job trying to learn more about people in the situation and how it is. But you know, ironically in this episode she made assumptions about Roy not really being into her because she wanted to go out for coffee. She wanted to extend the night that they had in Liverpool. She thought, okay, there's a next step here in dating. And Roy kept saying I'm busy, I'm busy, I'm busy. Apparently, he was busy doing yoga with 60-something-year-old ladies, right.
Speaker 1:He had no idea who he was.
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, but she took that, she made the assumption that Roy wasn't into her and she did something that was great for the show, right? She ended up having a one-night stand with Jamie because she had made assumptions and she didn't really pull that out of Roy, don't you think that?
Speaker 1:social media makes that something that so many people fall into that trap because you can't understand tone. Now let's be clear Roy's verbal tone is as bad as a text message.
Speaker 1:I was busy, you know, didn't want to Um so, but a lot of people take reading of a text message, you know. I know if I get a K back from my son rather than an, okay, I take the K as dismissive. What why? You know, it's probably in a hurry. So I think that's really with the curious, that detrimental way to call me out on that. Absolutely. Kaylee was not curious the whole time. She was making some assumptions and I think a lot of people take themselves down a self-sabotage route.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's a great point and I think that is, you know, when we start talking about being curious and not judgmental, I think the whole notion of assumptions in general at least from my own personal perspective it gets me into trouble. I feel like that I am a good reader of people, or you know, when they're talking to you, even then you make those assumptions. I'll never forget I, you know, and this hit me back in. You know, 20 plus years ago I was, I had found out that that my father-in-law, you know, only had hours to live and I was at work. I was 45 minutes away and I got my card. I jumped in on. You know I shouldn't have done this, but I was speeding up the highway to get there because I didn't know if I was going to make it in time. And I'll never forget that moment Because you know, I realized, you know all the times that I almost had road rage of people trying to get somewhere in a hurry.
Speaker 3:You know, you never, not again. I want to be clear you shouldn't do that. It's against the law, right? But you never really know what's going on with somebody. Yeah, and you shouldn't.
Speaker 1:You shouldn't make assumptions. You know. That reminds me of somebody that you and I both worked with, beth, who by nature is a speeder, but regardless of that, she would often get stuck behind a bad traffic day and instead of road raging, she would say you know, somebody's having a worse day than I am Like there could be a fatality at the end of that accident, and so maybe I should just take a minute to be curious. I think exactly what you had in mind of like, yeah, I hope people were forgiving of me flying through there, but I really did have an urgent, important reason to be doing that, yeah, and I think that's a lesson that you extrapolate to everything and almost every interaction that you have.
Speaker 3:Right, just avoid the assumptions, at least the best that you can. You have right, just avoid the assumptions, at least the best that you can. Right, I mean, I will say that and I will go out within the next hour and I will be in a business meeting, I will make an assumption and I'm like, darn, I did it again, but it's something that I'm consciously aware of and I I try to to do as good a job as possible, being a lot more curious and not just assuming that I know exactly what's going on with everybody.
Speaker 1:You know it also reminds me of the dreaded post-it note. I've gotten on a computer before. Marnie, see me at work. The student services I know I've talked about this before is the office in the school district where if a student is in trouble and has to involve the police or, you know, social services et cetera, that's where you end up. So the head of student services came and gave me a Marnie Simi note. I couldn't imagine what I had possibly done wrong. But still, that is not an office you want to walk into. And I walked into her office and I had owned a knitting shop. So I jokingly said I sure hope this is a knitting question, because I get nervous when I see your stickers. And she said, yeah, I do have a knitting question, but I mean, I'm not. I've never been sent to the principal's office yet. If I get a see me sticker I get nervous about that.
Speaker 1:And one of the things that we did at Lifecycle Insights was we created that communication guide to talk about how we liked to be communicated to, to kind of help alleviate assumptions happening, and one of the things I made what I feel like was clear in mind is that bad news should always be delivered, if not face-to-face or Zoom-to-face, at least over a phone, so that you don't lose context and tone, because that's where I think assumptions really can escalate quickly. It's interesting, even AI will escalate anger if they suspect it in your tone. You can end up in a fistfight with Chad GPT.
Speaker 1:So I think it's important to watch out for those assumptions and get ahead of them if you can.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's great advice. All right, so let's, let's finally talk about the scene ever yeah.
Speaker 4:You know, rupert, guys have underestimated me my entire life and for years I never understood why. I used to really bother. But then one day I was driving my little boy to school and I saw this quote by Walt Whitman. It was painted on the wall there. It said be curious, not judgmental. I like that. So I get back in my car and I'm driving to work and all of a sudden it hits me All them fellas that used to belittle me, not a single one of them were curious. You know, they thought they had everything all figured out and so they judged everything and they judged everyone, and I realized that they're underestimating me. Who I was had nothing to do with it, because if they were curious they would ask questions, you know, questions like have you played a lot of darts, ted? Which I would have answered, yes, sir. Every Sunday afternoon at a sports bar with my father from age 10 to I was 16 when he passed away. Father. From age 10 to 16 when he passed away Barbecue sauce.
Speaker 3:That's it. Is it the best scene of this, of this entire series?
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's the one most referenced. If you love an underdog like, you want to cheer Ted on. You know, ted, what? What are you doing? I believe it's called white knighting. Yeah, and of course you want him to take out like there's rupert. Oh, I forgot, I had these with just delivered perfectly, yeah, so, um.
Speaker 3:So we've made it this far and we have not talked about a book that we recommend constantly, which is shocking because it is the first thing that comes to mind when you say be curious, not judgmental. Yeah, yeah, and that book is.
Speaker 1:Adam Grant's think again. Yeah, and we would put that? Wouldn't you say that it is the number one book, that when people ask us because we make a lot of recommendations in our book of other books that that's the one that you and I, together and separately, recommend to folks?
Speaker 3:think you, you'd probably do it better than I do, right it's. And for those that don't know it's, you know the power of knowing what you don't know, right it's. It's it examines the science behind changing your mind and persuading others to change theirs. Um, it explores, kind of the, the biases and assumptions that we bring into our decision-making, and it really talks about how you build a mindset of lifelong curiosity. And to me, if you could put any one skill on a pedestal and say I want to aspire to do X to me being curious, is that one skill?
Speaker 3:I think about where we are in today's society. Right, and I'm not political by nature, but I do watch cable news. Right, and I watch all flavors of it, and all I hear is it's either black or it's white. Right, there's no in between. People have a reluctance to not ask questions as long as it's in their silo of left or right or what have you. Um, and in my mind, the place to be is gray. Right, let's not be black, let's not be be white, let's. Let's live in the middle, the middle ground, and be curious about what, the what this side says and this side says, because nothing is ever to me simple in life, right, everything's complex.
Speaker 1:It's not as easy as those distinct lines make it seem like it might be, as those distinct lines make it seem like it might be.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, and I think the whole notion of bringing bias your own personal biases to decision-making kind of gets us into trouble quite a bit, wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. What I really thought was important there is he didn't just point out the fact that the world seems kind of split and that people are stuck where they are. So he gave examples of how folks from different sides of the aisle, the story, the conversation you know if you're far apart you're never going to convince somebody by just yelling louder, right?
Speaker 1:So he gave examples of folks that were curious and would ask questions to really understand the person that had an opposing view with them. And not only did they ask questions about their viewpoint but they actually asked questions about the person as well. And then they realize some commonalities and when you realize that you're not completely different in every way possible from your opponent, you suddenly can see them with more humanity. You can be more curious and less judgmental. And when we start finding the commonalities, we realize we're not all as different as we say and, like you said, you realize you're not in distinct black and white silos but in fact much closer and the compromise makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 1:I just read the book Bring Yourself by Maury Tahirapur, which is about how to negotiate fearlessly and in a negotiation. I think that's a situation where you find yourself assuming that you are on very opposite ends of the spectrum. In the conversation she talks about the same character traits and the same activities that Adam Grant talks about. And think again of really questioning, remaining curious, not judgmental, to get yourself closer to finding out what everybody really wants and then realizing you're not as far as apart as you think you are. So I think I mean we talk about Adam Grant all day, for sure because he just again, he doesn't just promote being curious, he actually gives some strategies on what that could look and feel like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and again, I don't want to talk, I don't want this to be a book review about Think Again, but there are two other points that I think he makes which is very much in line with this whole message, right? First, we talked about black and white, and he talks about the notion that when an issue is presented, as you know, a binary choice black or white people are far less likely to change their mind. If you present an issue with nuance and complexity, people are more apt to think about something, so you can't just say I mean, going back to where we are with COVID, everybody should be locked into their house or everybody should be out. It's a complex issue, right, and I think one of the things we lived through was that you were on either one camp or the other, and you know to me what was so frustrating about that is it's more complex than that right, there was a lot of gray there, yeah absolutely Live in the gray right and then learn from it and ask questions, be curious.
Speaker 3:But the other thing that I think this Ted Lasso does so well throughout the entire series it talks a lot about being humble. You don't know what you don't know. I'll never forget Trey Stanford, one of my first managers at one of the consulting companies that I worked for. You know his line to me was you know, hey, I don't know what I don't know, and that's absolutely okay. I'm here to learn, you know. And then he would ask me questions, right, and you know, that was something that from my early childhood, on no-transcript, don't know, be humble. And it's funny in that. Going back to the book, he did a study, right, and it was about people rating themselves on emotional intelligence, if I remember correctly, and the people who ended up scoring the lowest were those that actually said that they were really good with emotional intelligence. And he talks about the fact that sometimes you got to really adopt that humble attitude admit that there's a lot you don't know, to allow yourself to open up and learn new things and become more competent.
Speaker 1:It's interesting because that whole notion really opens you up to be able to take a risk, to allow you to grow.
Speaker 1:And I don't think that's the way people who see it as a weakness to not acknowledge something or not not know something, that brings up all kinds of things. And since we don't have an hour and a half coach for me, a couch for me, I will just say, yes, I completely agree, but when you can have that humility and that curiosity that opens you up again to take the risk, which is when you grow right. That's when you say it takes pain to grow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think the counter to that a lot of times I hear is okay, well, I'm a confident person. It's really hard for me to have humility.
Speaker 3:You're vulnerable, yeah, and I think humility is about questioning your methods. Right, I am confident that I will get to the end result of where I want to go, but it's okay to question how I get there. So I've heard that pushback a lot of times when I'm just in conversations with other people about I'm really a self-confident person, it's hard for me to be humble, and I think there's a very different way to approach it. They're mutually exclusive humility and self-confidence. I think that's important for people to realize. Yeah, okay, so let's switch gears a little bit. As many people know, and hopefully a lot of our listeners out there, there are communities out on social all over the place that follow Ted Lasso and it doesn't go without notice, at least from our perspective, that the whole notion of being curious, not judgmental, is a very frequent post on the different Ted Lasso fan communities out there. Yeah, margie, I know you've kind of prepped for this episode. You've looked at some of those posts. Is there anything interesting that you wanted to bring to light here?
Speaker 1:So I went into the Ted Lasso fan community 86,000 folks and I just searched the word curious and no shortage of posts include be curious, not judgmental and I saved three of them just to chat about. The first was the commentary that typically in the Ted Lasso groups there is less trolling and scathing criticism of other folks because everyone's trying to be curious, not judgmental. There was a friendly reminder in November for folks to be curious and not judgmental, but in general you get the sense that folks are really trying to do that. There is a college professor from University of Pennsylvania who does a career development course and he posted some of the quotes from Ted Lasso that he felt were really critical for his classes.
Speaker 1:Of course Big Goldfish was on there, you know there was a list of others, but he really talked about the be curious, not judgmental, and referenced what you were talking about earlier with not having bias in your decision making and be able to think about strategies to use that curiosity to benefit the conversation, listen more, et cetera. And then there was someone else, Tara, who posted some okay adulting 101.
Speaker 3:If you're, trying to be curious and not judgmental.
Speaker 1:I'm actually going to read she had five little post-it notes of things, like she called it, the do's and don'ts of talking to adult children. Instead of I'm sorry if I hurt you, or I'm sorry if you're hurting, just I'm sorry, I hurt you. I don't know what you need from me. I don't understand what you want. Just say what do you need from me, right? So this is giving curiosity instead of making assumptions, which is what you were just talking about. Right? This is how to avoid the assumptions, just with a little twist of the words that you use. You use we are both hurting. You hurt me too. I realize that I've hurt you. We have different perspectives.
Speaker 1:It's a misunderstanding which can be a bit dismissive, but please help me understand what you need, right? It's more curious and thank you for helping me understand. I care about you is how you can kind of move that conversation on. So asking for them to help you understand is really a way to be curious and it's interesting. The change in the language a little bit really does change the response.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you I could have gone on for days in looking at all the posts and how I asked on one post. In looking at all the posts and I asked on one post, as somebody said you know, how has Ted Lasso changed the way you react to things? And I asked so who in here finds themselves aiming to be more curious and not judgmental? And got a ton of comments and they said every day I am working to be curious and not judgmental. So I know that when interviewers ask Jason Sudeikis or Hannah Waddingham what they think about Ted Lasso and they will both say it's changed my life. I think so many fans will say it has changed their life too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean well said and I think all those things and you go back to bias and decision making and I think that's one of the reasons why this, that whole, this whole phrase being curious, not judgmental, resonates so much with me just to episodes of this podcast that I was a very quiet person, you know, through high school and then very early on in my career, and it was a couple of people that really took a chance on me to pull stuff out of me.
Speaker 3:You know they didn't just go in and say, okay, nick has nothing to offer, because I was so quiet, right, they were curious about me and and how to help me and they they kind of pulled that out of me through their curiosity and questions and for that I will always be grateful and for that I will, um, I will always think of of that whole phrase being curious, not judgmental as such a trigger in my professional and personal growth that it kind of is up there at the very top of skills, as I said earlier for you, because I think one of the other things that asking questions really has pertained to us is this whole notion about questioning the status quo. And you know why are things done a certain way, and how do they always have to be done in that same way? You know, I know we have we have a last 10 years experience of challenging the status quo. But is there anything about that that you know? Are there any certain stories or anything that does that resonate with you? I guess is what I'm trying to ask.
Speaker 1:It's funny you said triggering before, but you said triggering in terms of personal growth, so it was a positive trigger, I know when you say, challenging the status quo. I immediately got a different trigger and it was working where I constantly heard well, this is the way we've always done things. Oh my lands, you know, it's Einstein that says insanity, or it's referenced to him, right Is?
Speaker 1:doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different outcomes. So to hear what we've always done it this way, so we're going to keep doing this way Absolutely makes me want to just shake something. The other thing that comes to mind and I know I told you this before, but I don't know that it's what you were thinking I was going to say is I was valedictorian at my high school and before you know, when we were in the midst of the acquisitions, working together, I saw statistics on how valedictorians never take the chance. They're not good outside the status quo, because they're really good inside the status quo. They're good inside the systems. They make good chiefs of staff, they're good at following the rules and achieving the set path that's ahead of them. And it said they don't ever become CEOs of companies. They don't ever take a risk and start their own company. I said forget it. And that was absolutely in my mind when you said we should go start a company. Yeah, we should. So I thank you for helping me challenge the status quo.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, it brings quite a few things to mind I think I think it's critically important that that you, you kind of embrace that whole idea of questioning things to challenge the status quo about everything. It has launched our professional careers with um, just with. With. It was impacted us greatly, right, but not only that. From a personal perspective, anything that you do, you know, ask, you know it doesn't always have to be done this way. We can do things differently, and it's amazing how many opportunities that ultimately has ended up opening up for both us and myself personally. Okay, so clearly we have some passion around this subject and we can talk all day, but I think for the most part, we just hope that you are curious and not judgmental and take a listen to our podcast. We certainly enjoy putting these together and I think next week, what are we looking at next week, marnie?
Speaker 1:Next week is all apologies, which I think. Oh, there's some psychological studies on apologies and the power of them, so I think that will be an interesting one, especially from a leadership perspective and, again, personal leadership, how you lead yourself and how you lead others. So I'm looking forward to that one.
Speaker 3:Awesome as well as I, so until next time we'll see you.
Speaker 2:Then Diamond Dog starts with the team recovering from their late night victory and Ted confessing to Coach Beard that he slept with Rebecca's friend Sassy. Keeley tries to talk to Roy about why he didn't text her back, but he was getting a massage and making noises. Ted seeks advice from Beard, higgins and Nate and realizes he needs to cut himself some slack. So they officially name this support group the Diamond Dogs. Keely is not sure what to think about Roy, so she sleeps with Jamie. Ted is grateful to Rebecca for helping him with his panic attack that biscuits with the boss get delivered with chocolate truffles. Rebecca asks Ted to help her. At lunch with two investors named the Milk Sisters, the dad puns ensue. Keely interviews the team about what types of products they might want to advertise for. Roy and Keely start to talk about their feelings toward each other. When Keely says that she slept with Jamie last night, roy grunts and Keely tells him to come back. When he has words he ends up the subject of the second Diamond Dogs meeting, where he is told to grow up and get over it. When Rupert shows up instead of the Milk Sisters, ted asks if they have expired.
Speaker 2:Roy comes back to tell Keely that he likes her more than he hates. Jamie barely. Keely investigates his intentions, as several journalists from Keely Jones, the independent woman. Meanwhile at the pub, rebecca asks Ted what he is doing. He says he believes it is called white knighting. And everyone finds out that Ted is not too shabby at darts and to be curious and not judgmental. At practice Ted gets the players to spell out High Boss for Rebecca and Higgins finally has had enough of Rebecca trying to sabotage the team so he quits. The show ends when Keely walks in and tells Rebecca that she knows about the photo Rebecca tried to leak of her and Ted and she gives her the ultimatum you come clean to Ted or I will do it for you.
Speaker 1:Let's wrap up with John Wooden's Pyramid of Success. As always, we're going to rate on three traits integrity, alertness and self-control. This week, if you're interested in seeing all of the characters, be sure to head on over to leaditlikelassocom and check out the resources page. But we're going to take a look at Roy, ted and Keely. Integrity is purity of intention. Integrity is purity of intention and I'll be curious to hear if anybody disagrees with this. But I feel like across the boards, we gave everyone 10s. Here. I mean Roy I think integrity is one of his strong points and Ted and Keely speak their mind well. So 10s all the way across. Alertness is not just always observing constantly, but being open-minded, eager to learn and improve. So Ted and Keely, always open-minded, always seem eager to learn and improve, and I think Roy is trending up. So we gave Ted and Keely tens and Roy an eight. And moving in the right direction. And lastly, self-control how you practice self-discipline and keep emotions under control. Good judgment and common sense are essential.
Speaker 1:So for this one, I think all of these characters are working on this. In some areas they are rock solid, but in others they need to work on it. Roy we gave him a seven plus because he acknowledged that he is working on trying to be better and mature. We have Ted and Keely sevens as well. With Keely, I think um the struggle with her just reading a text message as we talked about in the episode and not getting not really understanding, you know, got herself into sort of a self-perpetuating spiral of what could happen if Roy didn't respond to her. She lacks some self-control there, but otherwise I think they're all trending positive. I hope everyone has a great week and hope to see you next time. Please do like, comment, share all the things. We appreciate you and so do the algorithms.
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