Lens of Leadership: A Ted Lasso Rewatch Podcast
Marnie Stockman and Nick Coniglio, authors of the book Lead it Like Lasso, dig into each episode of Ted Lasso with a lens of leadership. Each podcast starts with a fun quick-clip summary of the episode. Marnie and Nick tie together the leadership principles from Ted Lasso, their own business successes, thought leaders and everyday advice to help individuals level up as they lead themselves (and others). This is a great podcast for TedHeads! There are many other Ted Lasso podcasts out there - this is the "same but different."
Lens of Leadership: A Ted Lasso Rewatch Podcast
Every Disadvantage has its Advantage S1 | Ep11
What can Ted Lasso teach us about leadership, creativity, and resilience? Join us as Marnie and Nick unpack the season finale of Ted Lasso's first season, "The Hope that Kills You," through the lens of leadership. We explore Nate's promotion and Ted's unforgettable locker room speech, examining how having a mission or "why" can transform a team. We contrast the high stakes of the English relegation system with the complacency commonly seen in American sports leagues, and analyze how the team's brainstorming of trick plays underscores the importance of creativity and alignment with core values.
Ever thought a TV show could offer insights into global challenges and personal growth? We dive into the intricate dynamics between Jamie, Roy, and Keeley, noting Keeley's symbolic gesture of blending their coffees and Roy's captaincy transition to Isaac. We draw parallels between Ted's unconventional coaching methods and creative problem-solving in business and social media, celebrating the power of manifesting success. Reflecting on our own journey from writing a book to launching this podcast, we discuss turning disadvantages into advantages and setting the stage for future achievements. What leadership lessons did you learn in this episode?
Welcome to Lens of Leadership, our Ted Lasso rewatch podcast. Before we dive into this episode's leadership lessons, let's watch a quick recap.
Marnie :As Season 1, episode 10, the Hope that Kills you begins. Nate meets the new clubhouse attendant, calls Rebecca a shrew and gets promoted. Roy thinks it is hard to love Ted. The team faces relegation. Isaac shut down Jamie Tartt's interview by throwing a chair at the TV. May and lots of others says it is the hope that kills you. Ted refuses to hear it and begs Nate and Beard to believe. Rebecca teaches Ted an old Dutch saying and the team brainstorms trick plays to cause chaos.
Marnie :Roy Keely and Jamie share a coffee, Sort of. Henry isn't sure that Ted is doing anything when he is coaching the game. Roy names Isaac captain. Ted asks the team if they believe in miracles. Jamie thinks Ted is playing mind games with him. Ted put in Roy who ends his career with an amazing but painful slide tackle of Jamie Tartt. The game comes down to the wire. The lasso special pays off, but then Jamie makes the extra pass and AFC Richmond is relegated. Ted tells the team it is better to be sad together than sad and alone. Beard delivers a message to Jamie. Ted tries to quit but instead he tells Rebecca that they will get promoted and win the whole thing. And that concludes season one of Ted Lasso.
Nick :I'm Nick Coniglio and I'm Marnie Stockman, and this is Lens of Leadership, a Ted Lasso rewatch podcast. We're the authors of Lead it Like Lasso, a leadership book for life, your life.
Nick:Or, as we like to say, the ultimate cheat code to help you level up in life. For those of you who are joining us for the first time, we take a different approach by deep diving into some leadership principles drawn from the episode.
Nick :And with today's episode, the Hope that Kills you, we're going to dive into one of our favorite sayings from the show Every disadvantage has its advantage.
Nick:Hey, so before we get into, every disadvantage has its advantage. This episode, the Hope that Kills you. It was obviously the last episode of season one and, like every other episode in Ted Lasso season one, gosh, I just loved it.
Nick :How about you? It delivered for sure. And again, I am shocked how every single episode is chock full of memorable moments and I don't remember them until I get to rewatch it for the umpteenth time. And one of my favorites of all time are the trick plays. First, I love trick plays in general. I played all kinds of sports, so I always find that funny. I love the brainstorming of it and the names of the trick plays. Boy, if you haven't sat there and frozen that screen to read the names of the trick plays that they're not calling out, give yourself a laugh and do that.
Nick:Yeah, well, you jumped way ahead of us, right? So I think we're going to talk a little bit about that when we talk about the disadvantages, turning them into advantages. But you mentioned that the episode again is just full principles that we like to talk about with leadership. So what do you say? We talk about a couple of those. If you have some I know I have some written down you okay to start talking about those.
Nick :Yeah, I took a page and a half of notes watching this one.
Nick:Yeah you and me both. So I'm going to start with maybe my favorite subject, which is relegation. We know that Ted has this struggle to understand relegation and it really hits home in this episode because of course, they have to either win or, if the circumstance is right, tie against man City to avoid relegation, and they bring up the whole question right. So what happens to all the bad teams right in America? What happens?
Show:And they say Well, they play out the rest of the schedule going through the motions and meaningless games contested in lifeless, half-empty stadiums, and everyone's pretty much fine with that. Does that sound about, right Coach? Yeah, it's dumb, and then everyone's pretty much fine with that. Does that sound about?
Nick :right Coach.
Nick:Yeah, it's dumb and really I think this just hammers home one of the points, that number one, I love about the English Premier League and, for that matter, every other sports league that's in this world except in the United States. But it reinforces the fact that you have to have a why, right and their why, their mission at AFC Richmond is to not be relegated, whereas in this country you know me, I'm a diehard Jets fan and by week four we're just going through the motions. But it's a great metaphor for life in my opinion, in that you know, without a mission and a why, there tends to be complacency, yeah, and you just kind of go through the motions and I think again what do we do? He talks about the end of this episode. I believe and believe you have to have a why and this series just represents that across the board.
Nick :We talk all the time about how, if you're feeling a clash at work, it's probably because you're not aligned with your core values. So if you do and people call LinkedIn me all of the time and say, would you be willing to talk to me about whether or not it's time for me to move on from my job, and I don't reply, well, the fact that you sent me that question probably means you are. But you know, let's talk and it comes down to, yeah, the why no longer aligns or never did align, and there's now enough friction there with their core values that they're ready to go. Yeah, yeah, what else in the episode? What else in the episode? And Adam Grant, three authors that we know and respect for sure we wish we knew personally. We just know of them, but we heard them say if you think about the last time you were angry and what caused it, we can now figure out your core values. And I say that because in the first 30 seconds, what happens? Nate walks in. Who the hell are?
Show:you? Oh hi, hello, I'm Will. I'm the new clubhouse attendant. No, you're not, I'm the clubhouse attendant. Hey, higgins, where are you, ted? What the fuck's going on? I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out myself. Figure what out. Have you been sacked? Has he been fired?
Nick :I don't know anything about this ted oh, there you are, is this because I called isaac a pussy. Good morning everyone. You shrew, you did this, didn't you? What finds a new kit man calls rebecca shrew, promote it. But in that briefest of second, let's just remember that, nate like his, his default went to anger, accusatory blame, et cetera. I just I find that. I find that interesting.
Nick:So are you trying to say that there might be some foreshadowing there?
Nick :Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Nick:Yeah, I think. I think our all of our audience who have watched the show clearly know that that absolutely is yeah. So then we got a couple other things that I think came out in this episode that again just just reek of you know, great leadership principles. One of the other things really struck close to home and that is jumping towards, I think was mentioned both at the beginning of the episode and near the end as well right, which is Ted, and he approaches Rebecca basically acknowledging that he failed and that really he understands that maybe Him staying on as the lead coach at AFC Richmond is not in the best interest and, you know, he offers his resignation, and I think one of the things that that really struck me is how far Rebecca has actually come. Right, and instead of taking the easy path and placing the scapegoat on Ted, specifically right, what does she do? Instead she supports him and the reason why that hits close to home.
Nick:We've talked about my challenges early on in my career as a leader, and I had a situation where I was leading a consulting organization and we had, in essence, we had a coup right. Some of our lead principals went in and they they were working at one of our clients and they decided to go into business on their own right and took that business right out from underneath us. And we were. It was a very difficult situation because we were legally correct and that they couldn't do it. But we didn't want to. We didn't want to do what wasn't in the best interest of the end customer. And I remember going to the CEO at the time and taking full blame for that Right and and saying you know what this is? Probably this is. This is certainly something that I should have seen Right, and I probably am not the best person to be in this position. I have clearly, clearly failed in this. So when I was watching this episode, it just reminded me of that same situation so much and, like Rebecca Gary, my boss at the time, he took the complete approach of supporting me with all of that, With a Dutch saying.
Nick:With a Dutch saying, we didn't really quite go into the disadvantage and the advantage. Well, man, you want to get there. But he made me realize that there's this quote that I saw the other day when things get hard, really your default reaction shouldn't be to quit, right, it should be to rest right, Take a breath, Figure out what's going on and, surprisingly enough, in this episode you know this is not Ted Right, Ted lost belief in himself, Right, it's. It's a kind of a combo platter of losing belief in himself, being vulnerable and humble, Right, For all we know. He might have known that this was just an opportunity for Rebecca to support him and see that, have known that this was just an opportunity for Rebecca to support him and see that. But I think the fact that Rebecca actually supported him not only speaks to how far she has come, like I said earlier, but really took on the role of a good leader. She knows Ted's the right person, she recognizes what Ted brings to the table and she didn't take the easy path with just getting rid of him.
Nick :Right, she's sticking with him through and through and she recognizes that he fills a gap that she right now recognizes she has Right, and saying that reminds me of the Winston Churchill quote that is a when you're going through hell, keep going. Mother-in-law had on her fridge during cancer treatments. So yeah, I can appreciate that for sure.
Nick:Yeah, absolutely yeah. So what else did you bring out of this episode from a leadership perspective, Marnie?
Nick :Oh, there's one sentence in there. That just tied together a lot of things for me. So in the book we have our rules section, because we're a big fan of rules, right, and our number one rule is leadership is life. And we say all of the time everyone is a leader, right, and we have quoted in a boardroom, in a locker room, in a classroom, in your living room everyone is a leader. And before the game, Henry says Dad, when I see you coach soccer on TV, it doesn't look like you're doing anything. And Ted gives what I think is a great leadership principle, especially thinking about when you're leading, not in a business setting, right, but as a parent.
Speaker 5:He said it ain't like being a football coach back home, kiddo. I got a lot less control because once the game gets going, I can't tell my fellows what to do. So I just got to hope that everything I've been trying to teach them made some sort of impact on them and that they'll make the right decisions when they're out there on their own. You know, it's kind of like being a dad, I guess.
Nick :And as a parent I certainly feel that and I think about those stories that thankfully I don't hear as often as I did at one point about like parents going to HR of their children's companies and complaining about their you know the work for their child, which is takes helicopter parenting and ads like turbo engines or something, and that really leadership done well is sets up the belief, not the hope, but believe right that they are going to make the right decisions. Hope isn't a strategy. You have to give them the foundation, you have to build the skills, you have to build their confidence so that you believe that they're going to make the right decisions. So I think that that one little line delivered by a kid really imparts a lot of wisdom and Ted's response to that I think is is kind of critical.
Nick:Perfect. I think his response is perfect. You know it's you mentioned everyone's a leader which is last week, during our last episode, talking about Keely and how under the radar she's really such a good leader. And you know, obviously one of the things that leaders have to deal with quite a bit is conflict resolution, right, what happens when two members of a team don't quite get along. And it was such a small part of the episode but I wanted to bring it up because I'm number one, a huge fan of Keely and how she deals with things. But the part of the episode where Jamie wants to talk to her because he's struggling about, you know, ted, and you know that he's playing mind games with him and everything and he walks into the house and Roy's there and that's the first time he realizes that Keely and Roy are together. Yeah, and instead of kind of separating them, right, she brings them together.
Show:Oh yeah, roy, Jamie's coming over.
Nick:Oh is he, Does that make scones?
Nick :I don't like scones.
Nick:I'm not making scones, you idiot. You know, jamie brought the coffee and Roy made the coffee. And what does she do? To kind of not take one side or the other? She takes Roy's coffee and she pours in Jamie's coffee. You know, I just think it's again foreshadowing, because those two characters are going to come together. They're an important part of this story arc and it's Keeley that's bringing them together, dealing with two sides who really don't like each other and trying to find common ground a little bit.
Nick :Great visual metaphor to do it right, Like put the pouring of the coffee together.
Nick:Yeah.
Nick :If you, gentlemen, weren't paying attention. This is how we're going to do this. We're going to get it together. I think brilliant, of course it's brilliant, right, these writers so good.
Nick:Yeah, absolutely, then, so good. And one other big part of the show is Roy having to transition his captaincy to somebody else on the team and explains to ted that he can't be captain because the captain has to has to be on the pitch during during the game. Yeah, what'd you think of them picking isaac? Roy, picking isaac as a?
Nick :captain. For that can I just say. When ted tosses the captain van onto his head and roy says this is why it's hard to love Fear and space, oh, he loves you right, he loves you.
Show:yeah, it was a great moment. Your duties as captain of this squad remain unfulfilled.
Nick :This is why it's hard to love you. Oh, you heard it right, he loves you In my mind. For Isaac, you know they have in the show like never stop throwing. You know, never stop destroying TVs. I felt like we really hadn't gotten enough of Isaac to see him as a leader yet. But also, it is a television show and you can't have 1000 main storylines is a television show and you can't have a thousand main storylines. But you know, the last we've seen of isaac, it hasn't been long ago since he and colin were bullying nate, right. So, um, I'm just, I'm just hopeful that roy saw something in him that we haven't seen yet.
Nick:But we're not on that pitch every moment yeah, well, he, he saw some fight because he he threw the. Uh, the chair at the screen of of of Jamie talking talking bad about AFC Richmond, but do you know why, when he was doing AFC Richmond on 12, are you clued into why? Why he skipped number eight.
Show:All right, Captain, no no Richmond on 12. One, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12 tell me, I'm not.
Nick :I know that they, I know that he did, but I don't know why he did yeah, well, I.
Nick:I don't know if this is a fact because I don't think the writers have ever publicly discussed did, but I don't know why he did. Yeah, well, I. I don't know if this is a fact because I don't think the writers have ever publicly discussed it, but I think it was to pay homage to roy. Roy is a central midfielder I don't know for those people out there who are not true soccer fans. Every position is labeled by a number and the center mid, theto-box mid, is the number eight player. So I think he was paying homage to Roy.
Nick:Missing, yeah, yeah absolutely, which I thought was pretty cool. You know again a very deep meaning that almost nobody really would get, yeah, but the writers just kind of fit in there.
Nick :Which is, man, I do. They think of every detail. They really do. I wonder how many iterations it takes right, like okay, you know, isaac's gonna count them in, and I'm sure the first time that came out. Well, like we'll count to three. Well, isaac's a little quirky, he'll something different. How can we make whatever he does meaningful to the situation?
Nick :It's it really is. You know, you and I talk about the value of character all the time and the importance of the character revolution and that the humans and creativity is what's going to win in this world and make you stand to stand out. These writers are going to win all of the time because chat GPT is not going to come up with that. Writers are going to win all of the time because chat GPT is not going to come up with that. Right, that is something that a human thinking outside the box and thinking differently is really going to be able to come up with. Clever Love it.
Nick:Yeah, what we need are these writers to solve some of the biggest world challenges that we have out there. Yeah, that's what we really need.
Nick :That is. That is right. They bring a different perspective to it, obviously.
Nick:Question for you, Marnie Do you speak Dutch?
Nick :I do not speak Dutch.
Nick:OK, well then I'll, I'll give the the Dutch, the popular Dutch football saying in English, just like Rebecca Day, right, which is every disadvantage has its advantage, which is kind of the the one thing that that we so many themes in this episode, right, but it's the one we're going to spend the most time talking about it and it's one that really hits close to home for us, given our recent experiences and just our belief in that whole phrase. Our belief in that whole phrase. So where do you want to start with that? What comes to mind when you start, when you hear that phrase? Every disadvantage has its advantage.
Nick :Well, I of course, think of our background and for folks, just the brief summary of it is is we were in the world of education and ed tech and that fated, well-fated day when you said, hey, we should start a company, we knew because of our employment agreement that we really couldn't do anything in the world of education. So we had to go into a very different world. Right, we had to go out into the world looking for a problem to solve, and the space that we landed in was completely foreign to us. How many acronyms did we learn that first day, you and I were just steady stream, googling all those three-letter iterations of the new space we were learning about. And we were successful in that space. Right, we scaled and sold that company.
Nick :But when we would go to events and people would say, how did you solve this problem? We've had this problem in this space for 20 years, how did you think to solve this problem? Every time I would say that you and our other co-founder, you know, worked in ed tech. And they would say, of course, right, it took a brain from outside the space in order to be able to solve the problem inside the space in a different way. This isn't all that different than working with teachers and students when you can put a different lens on it. So I immediately think about that, um, and how, yeah, that feels very much at home. Uh, you know, every, every disadvantage is an advantage. Yeah, we didn't know that space when we got there, but because of we were able to think outside the box because, frankly, we didn't even know where the box was.
Nick:Yeah, absolutely, and I think you know one of the most critical components of of just thinking about that, that whole phrase is the realization to me that it's, it's a mindset. We often hear the saying stop admiring the problem.
Nick:Oh yes, and I kind of translate it to this right Stop admiring your disadvantage. Everybody at some point in time I don't care how well off you are right has some level of disadvantage, whether it's a bad break that happened to you, whether it's the lack of opportunity that you have An illness, an illness, what have you right? There's two modes you could approach it with right. The first is admire it, fall into just this whole self-doom of oh my gosh, this is happening to me. It shouldn't be, it's not fair, or the mindset of you know what. Okay, I'm going to look at this and I'm going to think about all the other things that I do know and I do understand.
Nick :And have control over.
Nick:And have control over and figure out a way to address it. I think history and personalities are riddled with examples of people taking disadvantages and turning them into an advantage. One that comes to mind I know we studied and we really admire Richard Branson of Virgin right and you know if you read about him and he had a learning disability. He was dyslexic. He really struggled in school but he found ways to overcome that and to look inside of him and see, okay, what am I really good at? And it was really about being creative and challenging the status quo and things that he may not have really embraced or adopted if maybe he didn't have that learning disability of being dyslexic. And you can go on and on and on about people in history and companies and organizations that really turn their disadvantage to an advantage.
Nick :I mean you think about when you lose one sense you often get stronger elsewhere. Right, which I think is very similar, and when you talk about companies, like I know I've read about Post-its right, which was 3M was trying to come up with a different adhesive and it just wasn't sticky enough. And then they're like wait, like we're not going to throw that out. Maybe that is sticky enough for something. I think Velcro came along because apparently I'm into sticky things.
Nick:Apparently, you are.
Nick :Because the inventor saw how the spurs, the hitchhikers you know, stuck to their dog's fur. So I think what you said earlier is keeping your eyes open to opportunity and not shutting it down. Like what else can this be? And health organizations that have come about because someone has been in a bad place and use that as an opportunity to help themselves or others. If you think about all of the funding for specific medical treatments that happened because someone had that and then, you know, really built up the educated everyone around them, around the need and what could be done for it, and they can grow funds to support it. So I think there's so many, like you said, so many examples in the world about how you view your disadvantage really turn it into an advantage.
Nick:Well, let's talk a little bit about the example in this particular episode. Yeah, you brought it up earlier. A little bit about the trick plays, and we know that you love trick plays. So what say you on trick plays, marnie Stockman?
Nick :Yeah, so I mean, I think that, first, one of the rules that we put in the book is there are no NPCs, right, and if you're not a gamer, npcs are non-player characters right, and I think that this show is very brilliant about I mean yes, there are main characters, but there are so many characters with depth.
Nick :A lot of times there may be five characters that you know a lot about and everybody else is sort of a non-player character.
Nick :They're just propping up the five, but we know a lot about a lot more characters, and one of the ways they do this is ted really gets the buy-in from the whole team with their trick plays, right, so he asks the team to name elaborate set pieces is what they're called in england, but trick plays is definitely a more fun name and they all get to contribute and share and then you know the only way that they learn it is to help teach the team how to do those things. Now, the purpose of the trick plays is to cause chaos, right, and in this world, that is what folks, influencers, companies are trying to do in social media, right, is basically come up with their own trick play to go viral, to be a disruptor in an industry right that, like kind of the purpose of a business marketing team and go-to-market strategy is to brainstorm. All the trick plays. So I'm always a fan of you know, I like a good brainstorm.
Show:Yeah, what's it do?
Nick:Well, I mean, I absolutely love the whole notion. It just reinforces the point, right, it's. It's. Ted was not. He is not a strategic football coach, so he has to find some way. It demonstrates problem solving, creative thinking, resilience, bouncing back, and in his method in this episode was the trick plays, which, which was a perfect metaphor, and it just it just reinforces the whole notion that Rebecca said, that we've been talking about, which is, take those disadvantages, turn them and really focus and turn them into advantages. You know, focus on on your strengths, which I think is kind of awesome. Yeah, agreed, ok.
Nick:So at the end of the episode we're all left kind of sad. The team did not, did not do well enough. The team did not do well enough. They let up that goal at the very end with Jamie scoring based on, you know, making the extra pass. It's crazy ironic that the teachings and what Ted and Baird were trying to get through Jamie actually forces AFC Richmond to get relegated. But Ted, we love his locker room speeches and this last one is a little bit different than most of the other ones which are really uplifting and motivating. This one is kind of it's a little sad, right.
Show:Lift your heads up and look around this locker room, you know, look at everybody else in here, and I want you to be grateful that you're going through this sad moment with all these other folks, because I promise you, there is something worse out there than being sad, and that is being alone and being sad.
Nick:And then we go back into the goldfish and we get hit with one last leadership lesson. Well, maybe not one last, but one close to last leadership lesson, which is something we again talk about in the book which is onward forward.
Show:Let's be sad now, let's be sad together, and then we can be a gosh darn goldfish Onward forward.
Nick:You know there's only so much you can do about things. Right, if it happens, it happens. You can either admire the fact that you've gone through a hard time or you can move on and I know I use that phrase almost once a week with my son in this house when he's home. It's very important and it's a lesson that I think we all need to remember during the hardest times.
Nick :I may or may not say build a bridge and get over it.
Nick:sometimes yeah, absolutely. And then the last part, which I'll let you talk about.
Nick :Oh yes, his carry out, carry out restaurant menu, where he has scribbled his resignation and put it in an envelope, which apparently is what it takes to make it official. I didn't realize the envelope was required. And Rebecca tells him you listen to me, coach.
Marnie :Lasso you are not going anywhere because we have work to do.
Nick :Next season. You can see that Ted is struck by that. He then gets himself together and tells Rebecca he goes onward and forward.
Nick :He does go onward and forward, like, okay, we are in this together and says, okay, so you know, has to ask about the rules, right, we can get out of relegation, right, yes, you can get promoted, right, okay, well, and then then what happens?
Nick :And he says we're going to get promoted and then we're going to win the whole effing thing and what I love you and I talk about manifesting all the time, right when we work with business leaders and school systems, et cetera, and we talk about goals and visions and, like you, have to be able to see what you want for your future in order to be able to set the tactical pieces to get there. And he's doing that for us. He is, he is man, he is setting a vision for what he hopes to happen, and that is to get promoted and then win the whole thing. And I love that. It ends with him spitting all over Rebecca because he has fizzy water just to sort of close the season, because he began the season by spitting all over the microphone and announcing to the world what he doesn't know about soccer. And now he's going to spit all over Rebecca and just say to her, like this is where we're going to go. I think that again ties it up nicely.
Nick:Yeah, and I'm going to do something that I don't like doing, which is to pat ourselves a little bit on the back as we wrap up season one of this podcast. We decided to write this book. Right, it is our mission to try to help everybody become the best versions of themselves, and that's a hard thing. We have never really written a book before at this scale. That's a hard thing. We have never really written a book before at this scale. And we basically dreamed and said at some point right, this is going to be a book that matters. And we are pleased to say that this week, just this week, after six or seven months of this book being out, we hit number one bestseller on Amazon in, uh, in a business category, uh, mentoring and coaching, um and uh, that's, that's a big deal. And we literally manifested that. We dreamed that a long time ago. We, we had that vision, we've been talking about it, and I think we should be pretty proud of ourselves.
Nick:So, yeah, pat ourselves on the back and we also manifested this whole notion of of having a podcast that actually that people actually watched. We're wrapping up season one, yeah, and we have dreamed big for season two, yeah, which we're going to start pretty soon, but we're hoping that we get people of influence and people that other people want to hear on this podcast to start walking through the different episodes of season two.
Nick :Yeah, I can't wait to watch again and see all the things I forgot, all the little nuggets along the way. This will be awesome. Yeah, I can't wait to to watch again and see all the things I forgot. Oh, the little nuggets along the way, this will be awesome.
Nick:Absolutely so until then, uh, we hope everybody uh shares, likes and um, all the things that gets them Appreciate. Yeah, absolutely so, we do. Appreciate everybody and we'll see you next time.
Nick :Yeah, absolutely so, we do appreciate everybody and we'll see you next time as we wrap up season one and take a look at John Wooden's pyramid of success. We're going to take a look at fight, intentness and loyalty. We're going to look at Roy and Ted and then we're going to do something a little different and look at the fans in general, specifically the patrons at May's Bar. If you want to take a look at all the characters, as always, head on over to leaditlikelassocom and check out the resources page. So fight is determined, effort.
Nick :Intentness is defined by setting a realistic goal, concentrating on its achievement, by resisting all temptations and being determined and persistent. And loyalty to yourself and to all those depending on you and keep your self-respect. So, honestly, roy is 10 across the board on that. He gave his every effort and his knee for the fight, the loyalty to the team and his intentness really to be the great. Roy Kent Ted, we felt was for sure, intent and loyal. The only weakness in the fight was not the fight for the team. He clearly believed when others did not, but he did plan on quitting for a hot minute there and so we felt like that sort of diminished the fight score gave him an eight on that.
Nick :Now the fans, their intentness and their fight is about at a seven, because hope, folks, is not a strategy, but their loyalty. We'll give them a 12 because they're going to be fans of AFC Richmond, good, bad or otherwise. I hope you've enjoyed this season of Lead it Like Lasso and Lens of Leadership. Enjoyed this season of Lead it Like Lasso and Lens of Leadership and please do like, follow, subscribe, comment. All the things help the algorithm and help us, and we will see you next time for the beginning of season two, where we're going to shake things up a little bit.
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