S2, Episode 6: Sasquatch, Spook Lights, and Shadow Beings: Why We’re Obsessed with Cryptids!

In this episode of The Lost Girls Podcast, hosts Neva and Maria delve into the fascinating world of cryptids and folklore, with a particular focus on local legends and the widespread cultural phenomenon surrounding creatures like Sasquatch and the mysterious Hornet Spook Light. The conversation begins with a playful introduction to their mutual interest in cryptids, including Neva’s handmade Sasquatch and Mothman earrings, which serve as an entry point into a broader discussion. 

Highlights

• 👣 Deep dive into the lore and cultural significance of Sasquatch and other cryptids.
• 🌕 Exploration of the mysterious Hornet Spook Light, a century-old paranormal enigma.
• 👻 Italian folklore featuring spectral giant women punishing unfaithful men. Mythical Beasts and Cryptids of Italy.
• 🌌 A theory proposing cryptids as higher-dimensional beings visible only as shadows.
• 📺 Discussion about the modern resurgence of The West Wing and The X-Files.
• 💡 Insightful reflection on folklore as a manifestation of historical trauma, especially relating to women.
• ✨ Personal moments of joy shared by hosts, along with a cosmic oracle card reading.

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🔮Neva Rowland (she/they) is a multi-faceted creator whose work blends spirituality and art. They work as a state-employed civil servant to pay the bills and feed their art supply and tarot collection addiction. 

🔮Maria (she/her) is a mother to two adorable gremlins. She has a long-term partner. Maria has been a public school educator for nearly 20 years. She has been a practicing witch for most of her life, starting with Italian folklore witchcraft as a child and growing into her own traditions. She loves Moon and High Holiday Rituals, Simmer pots, Tarot Pulls, candle and herb magic, and plants! 

Transcript

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00:13
 Hi, friend. Hello, friend. And hello, friends listening. Welcome to this episode of The Lost Girls Podcast. I am one of your hosts, Neva. And I am your other host, Maria. And today we have a super awesome episode. Yes!


00:32
 And if you're watching this, I am wearing a very special hat that is indicative of our episode. It says Bigfoot is real. I love your hat. Thank you. I bought it like two years ago. Why don't you wear it like every single day? I mean...


00:50
 i wear it a lot this is kind of like my look during the summer it's like pigtails backwards hat um because i go full butch over the summer i'm like i'm sorry i can only be femme when it's cool out the rest of the time full butch sorry um sorry not sorry sorry not sorry my gender's not up for debate um


01:17
 So anyway, we're talking about cryptids. And folklore. And folklore, yeah. And this was Neva's idea. Do you want to go a little bit into, like, why?


01:28
 Well, okay, I'm sort of mildly obsessed with Sasquatch. I love mildly obsessed! And so I wanted to make some cryptid earrings, so I made some Sasquatch ones.


01:47
 and then my sister loves Mothman and so I also made Mothman ones and then I also not really a cryptid but it's like an alien abducting a cow because it's funny it's so perfect I think that one might actually be my favorite of the ones that I've made like I love Sasquatch and it is like you know it's like the classic like silhouette of Sasquatch you know


02:17
 yeah he's like just in the woods doing the Egyptian yeah that's how you know it's a Sasquatch because it's a hairy man doing the Egyptian walk I mean you could go to any Greek wedding and see that


02:38
 just saying so uh i made these earrings and the mothman ones are in route they are in the very capable loving hands of the u.s postal service love that en route to maria right now um and so you know


03:00
 I don't always have the time or energy to form full, complete sentences, so I just said, Mothman? Sunday? And Maria's like, yeah, let's talk about Mothman! I'm like, oh, that's not what I meant, but I'll do it. It was a total miscommunication that, like, 100% worked out. It was awesome. Yeah, I read your reply. I'm like, oh, damn, I have to, like, type out the full, like, sentence, but, like, I did not communicate. Yeah.


03:29
 It's like, ah, shit. I can't just read my mind at this point. I'm sorry. Normally, probably, yeah. If my mind was functioning at a normal rate, tis not. Yeah. Too close to the end of the school year. My brain's like, it's just a swarm of bees at this point. You are three raccoons in a trench coat. Yeah, for sure. And those raccoons are fighting with each other.


03:59
 oh oh man that's a fun visual it is yes that's my brain right now it's awesome and i love it oh so yeah so cryptids and folklore cryptids and folklore i love it um i like cryptids


04:24
 and folklore i don't think with the same veracity that neva does or even some of my friends but i do like it um gemma my daughter also loves cryptids and so she was kind enough to let me borrow her book um that is very cute called cryptids creatures and critters


04:53
 I love it. Yeah, and it's got all these awesome illustrations inside and little descriptions of...


05:04
 things i don't know it's cool as hell and it's like really comprehensive there's like hundreds of them in here so i borrowed her book and uh yep i wrote down the ones that i like i just have the knowledge in my brain you're amazing and i also looked up like articles about the local folklore what i'm going to talk about


05:25
 Right. Okay. So do we want to start local or do we want to start with your one true love OTP Sasquatch? I think we should start with the local one because if you have me start with Sasquatch, that is all I will talk about. Fair enough. Then we'll save the best for last. Understood. Let's go local. I don't think you understand. No, but I can't wait to. Okay.


05:54
 So, shout out to Avery, my wife, for last night. She always asks what we're going to talk about. And I said, we're going to talk about cryptids and folklore. And she said, oh, are you going to talk about the spook light? And I'm like, oh, my gosh. Yes, I obviously have to.


06:14
 So one hour from where I live is this local legend. Here's the crazy thing, okay? I love this already. This has actually, this phenomenon has been studied by the Army Corps of Engineers, the University of Missouri. The local TV station a year and a half ago took a cameraman and two of their anchors out to this place.


06:41
 to like investigate it so it's like a location it's a location um so okay so i'll just kind of this is uh this what i'm reading is literally from like the explore joplin missouri website okay okay um there's also an article um


07:03
 like a tourism article from like oklahoma um there's the koam article that i talked about so here's the history bobbing and bouncing along a dirt road in northeast oklahoma is the hornet spook light a paranormal enigma for more than a century described most often as an orange ball of light the orb travels from east to west along a four mile gravel road


07:31
 Long called the Devil's Promenade by area locals. The spook light, often referred to as the Joplin spook light or the tri-state spook light, is actually in Oklahoma near the small town of Quapaw. However, it is most often seen from the east, which is why it has been attached, quote unquote, to the tiny hamlet of Hornet, Missouri and the larger, better known town of Joplin. Mm-hmm.


07:59
 According to the legend, the spook light was first seen by Indians along the infamous Trail of Tears in 1836. However, the first quote-unquote official report occurred in 1881 in a publication called the Ozark Spook Light. This is wild. The ball of fire, described as varying from the size of a baseball to a basketball, is


08:26
 dances and spins down the center of the road at high speeds, rising and hovering above the treetops before it retreats and disappears. Others have said it sways from side to side like a lantern being carried by some invisible force. In any event, the orange fire-like ball has reportedly been appearing nightly for well over 100 years.


08:49
 According to locals, the best time to view the spook light is between the hours of 10 p.m. and midnight and tends to shy away from large groups and loud sounds. Although many paranormal and scientific investigators have studied the light, including the Army Corps of Engineers, no one has been able to provide a conclusive answer as to the origin of the light.


09:12
 That's crazy. So there are, if you look at the Wikipedia, there is a Wikipedia article for this. And it claims that the lights are from cars on Route 66.


09:29
 Okay. But the Army Corps of Engineers and the University of Missouri have found no proof that that's actually what causes it. Yeah. You know, like, finding a light source is usually the first thing you'd want to look for in a paranormal investigation like this. And the fact that...


09:51
 People who should know what they're doing and know how to debunk these sort of things. The Army Corps of Engineers, yeah, is, like, pretty legit. Yeah. They're like, we don't know what it is. Cool. Okay. Fun. But there's different theories as to what it is, like a farmer who died, like, looking for his family or something, or, like, some, like, old Indian with a lantern. Yeah.


10:19
 Anyway, basically, no one knows what it is. And Avery says she went to try to find it one time, but she didn't see it. So, I don't know. When Maria comes to visit me, we will go find the spook light. Oh, fucking 100%. And we're going to take a video of this and make it a special podcast episode. But there are photos. That's awesome. There's photos that people have taken, and it's just like this...


10:46
 ball of light like that's that's crazy like i have goosebumps and i'm sweating because i'm so hot and having a hot flash so having goosebumps is a big deal so and okay so koam which is the local news station they took a um a cameraman and two of their anchors out


11:09
 with like a local you know quote unquote expert a local person who claims that he's seen it over 50 times he's like i can take you exactly where you need to be to see that we like hired that guy when i come out there well and then then they also consulted a local folklore expert and


11:28
 That's so cool. Who, you know, I read you the history. That was basically what they got from her too. But yeah, they didn't, when KUAM went out, they didn't see anything, but one of their anchors was like, I just got really cold all of a sudden and I felt like something moved through me. So we out.


11:50
 But, you know, Oklahoma, Trail of Tears, it totally would make sense if it was some sort of Native American energy. That does make sense. Yeah. I just got chills saying that. Me too. I also... Oh, my God. Okay. Wow. Full body. I feel like this is something, if you went to go look for it... I would see it. Yeah.


12:19
 Yeah. Dude, the chill that it's got. All over! All over my body! This is not something that's revealing itself to fucking whiteys. Right. Right. I think you have plenty of native... I can't even get it out! Okay. So that's a thing. Cool.


12:43
 Neva's going to go find the spook light. I'll take pictures for everyone. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Yikes. Oh, that's wild. Yeah. Can I just, okay. This is not totally related to that, but it's related to like cryptids in general and


13:04
 okay so this is my theory behind these sorts of phenomenon i love this so we live in a three-dimensional world okay so if you think if you think of like um paintings you know um you can draw like a flat piece of paper is one dimensional you know you can draw a one-dimensional


13:26
 stick person if you add some shadows to that it becomes two-dimensional because it's on one dimension but it looks three-dimensional that's two-dimensional yeah the world that we inhabit the you know this this cup it has it has depth and weight it like it's three-dimensional right okay


13:47
 those are the only dimensions that we can perceive, but that doesn't mean that there aren't four dimension, five dimension, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. So like in our three dimensional world, when the sun shines on you and you see your shadow on the ground, that shadow is in two dimension. Okay. If we take that a step further, something that's in five,


14:11
 fourth dimension its shadow would be in the third dimension oh i love that so we're just seeing like shadows and remnants of things that exist in other dimensions that that was visible to us in our basic bitch three-dimensional world yes not in god i love that so my theory you know taking the spook light as an example if it is something outside of our perception


14:41
 You know, let's say a Native American ghost or something. Sure. You know, you can't, we can't perceive where they are, but we can see the remnants of it in our three-dimensional world. Yeah. I think in particular...


14:59
 In places where there's so much tragedy and strife, maybe those reflections and shadows are stronger. Because the energy is so much higher. Right. Yeah. That makes sense to me. That makes a ton of sense. I love that. That's a great theory. You're so smart. I just think about it a lot. Is this really you just like planning out ways for you to meet Bigfoot?


15:30
 You know, I just need to exist in the dimension long enough for him to notice me. Okay. But like the weird thing is, and maybe it has to do with my mild obsession with Bigfoot. I have always, always, always, always wanted to visit like Oregon and Washington without really knowing or understanding why. Yeah. And I think it totally makes sense that I have this like big,


15:59
 bigfoot fascination and then little neva's smaller neva's like we need to go to washington we need to go to washington and i'm just going out and i've i've literally still never been no you gotta go i know who knows what's out there


16:17
 I want to believe. Yeah. I haven't watched X-Files in a few weeks, because I got in a... In a few weeks? I got in a West Wing kick, and I think it's because... And I've never actually... You think we need it? Yes! I think it's like, I just need... I know that this is a scripted Hollywood TV show, and yet...


16:39
 I just, I need to see competent people doing their job. Yeah, 100%. Like, no joke, me and two other teachers I work with were, like, actively talking about, like, yeah, I just went home and watched an episode of West Wing. Really? Swear to God. Swear to God. Because everyone, and apparently there's been, like, a surge in viewers of West Wing because everyone's like, I literally just need to see a functioning government.


17:07
 Like, you are not the only one. There has been a huge, massive surge of people watching West Wing or doing rewatches. So much so that several of the actors have, like, done Instagram videos and been like, we get it. Thanks for, like, keeping it alive. Swear to God. This is, like, a legit thing. I'm speechless right now.


17:30
 Yeah, like, legitimately, everyone's like, no, we just... We long for the world and the government that exists in Westworld. This universe. This universe. This universe of, like, competent people who are just fucking trying their best at their jobs and want the best for the American people. And, like...


17:51
 have to deal with people on the other side of the aisle but like everyone's still rooted in common sense and for the good of the people like we all want to live in that world like all of us want to live in that fucking world because right now we're not and it's chaos and it's dystopian and we're sliding down this horrible hill


18:11
 And there has been a huge surge of people watching West Wing. Legitimately. Like, you are not alone. I've never watched it. And so this is, like, my first time watching it. And I think that might be even more healing for me. We took a turn, but that's okay. That's okay! Yeah, like, I mean, legitimately, me and the music teacher the other day turned to each other in a meeting and were like, President Bartlett would never...


18:42
 And he was like, amen. Okay, well. Yeah. I know. That is comforting, actually. And then we were just like, Leo McGarry would kick Elon Musk's ass. Yes, he would. Yes, he would. Where's fucking Leo when we need him? Oh, shoot, shoot, shoot. Oh.


19:07
 Anyway. Anyway, that's a lovely tangent. Yeah. I was watching X-Files and now I'm watching West Wing. West Wing. But then also, like, I love X-Files because, you know, monster of the week. And we've talked about, I've, like, seen maybe one episode. Oh, no! I know! I have to watch it. I love Mulder and Scully. I love them. They have my heart. Yeah. I gotta watch it.


19:37
 that's that's what i'm gonna commit myself to this summer i'm gonna watch x-files i'm doing it now i'm setting my goal oh okay oh my god okay so so spook light that's that's about all i have for spook light but fucking wild so if we're talking about local folklore yeah


20:02
 Connecticut has a bunch of haunted shit. Which is like, whatever.


20:12
 I feel like the Northeast would have a shit ton of hauntings just because everything's so fucking old. Yeah. I mean, for the United States. My house is 200 years old. Yeah. Yeah. Old for the United States. It's interesting to like go to Europe and these things are thousands of years old and you're like, oh, we're babies. Yeah. Oh, we're like a nothing country. We're like a 12 year old, basically. Right.


20:38
 And I have one of those and they don't function well. So like, I get it. So, so I, okay. I looked up cause there's, I grew up with so much folklore like from Italy. Yeah. And so I was just like, let me just do a quick, see if I can find the official name of cryptids in Italy. Oh yeah. Yeah.


21:04
 There are so many Italians are the most fucking superstitious crazy ass motherfuckers on the planet. Like insane. I found the one that I was looking for that's like regional to my area, which is Campania, which is like near-ish Naples and Pompeii and like that whole area. Yeah.


21:31
 So I was like, okay, that's cool. But this, like, artist had done, she did, like, this beautiful map of, like, all of the different cryptids in Italy. There's, like, at least 50. Just in Italy? Just in Italy. Like, Italy is, like, the size of, what, Kansas? Yeah.


21:51
 It's about the size of California. Okay. Yeah. It's like if you took California and Oregon. Okay. It's about that size. Yeah. Okay. And then we get Sicily, which is like its own thing. Yeah.


22:06
 But anyway. Sicily alone has like 15 of their own. Because there's one that just exists inside of Mount Etna, which is like the volcano that's in the middle of Sicily. That makes sense. Right? Okay. So, anyway. The one that I wanted... Well, there were two. One that I heard direct stories about from my family. So...


22:35
 basically it's like a version of a like a like a white woman you know like those myths of seeing like a woman in a dress and right whatever whatever but a woman in white i think a woman in white yeah um so in italy these women it's very similar to like a siren myth but they grow huge i already have goosebumps talking about it they grow like gigantic


23:06
 And they straddle streets and lure men in with like their song and then like scoop them up.


23:17
 okay so you have to like got some chills there right yeah you have to like not look at them and just ignore them a giant woman straddling the street just ignore it just ignore it just ignore it because like especially in my region of italy like my town is situated in a valley


23:39
 so everything echoes off of everything else and you could see like the mountainsides all around you and a lot of the roads are built with like banks up um so like for instance like when we would walk from our town like our house into into town like about a mile or like yeah a little less than a mile um


24:02
 outside of the town we would walk on these roads and these roads had like farm banks that would go up with like these little bridges every once in a while um for like tractors and things to pass over right so a lot of the town is built like that a lot of the towns in that region are built like that


24:21
 And so these white women or spectral giants would like walk on either side and try to like lure men up. And you had to ignore them. You couldn't look at them. You couldn't acknowledge. You couldn't run. Yeah, nothing.


24:39
 So my nonna would tell stories about my nonno or my grandfather when he would walk home from the factory at night. If he was coming home at night, it would happen to him and they always lured unfaithful men.


24:54
 Like, they always caught unfaithful men. Gotcha. And, yeah, so it was, like, this, like, myth of, like, and he was, like, he would see them, like, on either side of the road, and he would just fucking walk home and not look.


25:10
 either direction yeah he was like you he was like nope you just had to focus on what was in front of you and just get to your house and he was like and then he was like you couldn't listen to them you couldn't try to make out what they were saying you couldn't acknowledge their presence not like I have so many chills right now yeah and it happened to him like several times and when my dad was in his 20s


25:38
 he was driving one of those roads and he swore like till the day he died, he would swear that he hit a woman with his car. Yeah. He was like, I heard her hit my car. Yeah.


25:57
 and I was like are you just trying to confess that you murdered someone in fucking rural Italy in your 20s dad he was like no he's like I heard it I got out of my car I looked every there was nothing on my car there was nothing on the road I screamed I looked everywhere there was nothing and he was like and then in the like behind him the spectral giants


26:27
 And he was like, and I got the fuck back in my car. It's like, and drove the hell out of it.


26:38
 what like wild and this is like very very common local lore to like the town of Albino that's crazy crazy crazy not just like regular ass woman in white no giants who straddle the road like fucking what so weird so weird Italians are so weird and so superstitious


27:08
 I have a friend who lives in Italy, so yeah. Okay. Yeah, you should ask them sometime about the insane shit that Italians believe. Okay, I will. Oh my god. So wild. And then there's like the there's a very common Roman myth that like Remus and Romulus were raised by a wolf mother. Lupa


27:37
 Which just means wolf in Italian. But there's also like a variation of that myth where one of the twins gets turned into a wolf and becomes like the first werewolf. And haunts towns.


27:54
 that are like undeserving of prosperity yeah i think it's a lot of that's rooted in like you didn't work hard enough so the werewolf is coming to get you oh brother yeah capitalism yay yeah it was like og capitalism through the roman empire and i was like all right um but there was like a ton of um like it's almost like the boogeyman in italy where it was like


28:22
 Oh, if you don't do your chores, Lupamad is going to come get you. Gotcha. So, yeah. So that one's like not so active, I guess. But it was just like a fun, I guess fun, capitalistic nightmare of a fucking cryptid that exists. But there's so many. There's so many in Italy. It's crazy. Yeah. It's wild.


28:51
 I know. So. So somewhat related. I was driving home. Um, this is when I was working at the bar. So this was like, this happened, I don't know, year, year and a half ago. Um, road. I take all the fucking time, you know, out of town and a town, whatever. Um, but there's this one spot that just as you, just as like the speed limit changes, there's this body of water that,


29:20
 And I will also, you know, take this moment to say that like a lot of hauntings and things seem to happen around bodies of water. Yes. For whatever reason. I mean, if you want to say like water represents our emotions and when emotions are very high, then things can leave an imprint on this world. But anyway, yeah.


29:46
 It's only happened this one time, but every time I drive through that area, I'm just like get this weirded out feeling. It was dark. You know, I was working at a bar. I was driving and this black shadow, like a giant fucking dog came out of nowhere and


30:08
 And I, like, slammed my brakes. I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to hit this dog. And right as my car got to it, it, like, turned and then, like, evaporated. And I was just like, the fuck?


30:22
 Fuck. And I cleansed the fuck out of my car and myself the next day because like, I don't know what the fuck that was. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Like something in like a higher dimension. Like I was seeing it shadow, I think. Right.


30:40
 Yeah. I think there's, there's, I don't know. There's something in that with that body of water. Cause every time I drive by it, it's like, I look, it's like, I can, there's something that I can't see. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yes, I do. It's like when you're trying to make out something in the distance and it just keeps getting blurrier and you're like, I just need to focus. And yet you can't. Yeah. I had a dream about that last night. That's so weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


31:09
 So I don't know what that was, but... Yikes. Yeah. I found in my research... Let's say research. By research, I mean reading for 10 minutes before we started the podcast. Um...


31:24
 That a lot of the water-based myths are like nymphs, spirits, wronged women, drownings, tragedies, hauntings. And as I was flipping through a lot of the myths, I was like, I was like, okay, I have a theory too. So many of these are just crimes perpetuated against women. Okay.


31:50
 It's like so many of these things that people are afraid of are, oh, you treated a woman, a woman deity poorly. And now this is karma coming back to bite you in the ass.


32:06
 So many of them are like, a woman was killed, or she was poisoned, or she was drowned, or she killed herself because she was assaulted. Or, I mean, so many of these stories start like that. Even the myth of the woman in white is that she was cheated on, couldn't handle the loss, killed her children and herself, and then wanders the road looking for unfaithful men to kill. And it's like...


32:34
 Are these myths perpetuated by women trying to keep menfolk in check? Or are they perpetuated by men's own subconscious at doing so many wrong deeds that it's like this socialized, generalized trauma that's been passed down and then made manifest as these creatures and myths


33:01
 that people can that are like tangible i don't know yeah i have a lot of thoughts about it i think that's um that is very possible i like that theory yeah so i know we haven't done like cryptids before on our podcast and i'm like so into this all right we'll have to do a follow-up part two we're definitely going to have because we're already 40 minutes in and we haven't even touched your boyfriend so


33:28
 there are girl sasquatches oh yeah where do the babies come from oh my god sasquatch babies right so cute right yes with their little eyes oh fuck i love the idea of sasquatch babies okay let's talk about sasquatch okay sasquatch aka bigfoot oh


33:53
 Okay. Or Yeti. I think Yeti is a type of Sasquatch. Oh, totally. I think they're... Okay. Like bears. It's just the polar bear of Sasquatches. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, there is a TV show that I watch. And I actually started re-watching it and it makes Avery roll her eyes. But it's called Expedition Bigfoot. And I like it because...


34:23
 They approach studying Sasquatch from, like, a scientific perspective. Because there are other programs that I don't enjoy as much, and they're just Bigfoot, quote-unquote, hunters. You know? I'm like, we're not hunting Bigfoot. Bigfoot's our friend. Yeah. This isn't like a new megafauna for you to mount on your wall. Yeah.


34:50
 Right? This is a creature that we want to engage with. So, I don't know, there's three or four or five seasons of Expedition Bigfoot and I really enjoy it. But there's lore, legend, history of...


35:10
 Sasquatch like creatures going back to the Native American days, you know, and that the Native Americans would meet with this tribe of Sasquatches.


35:28
 You know, and they weren't, like, friends, but they weren't enemies. It was, like, a coexistence. Because that's what you did when you live in harmony with the world around you. Right. And shared natural resources. Yes. Yeah. And so I think, you know, there's Sasquatch throughout the world. But, well, Yeti in, you know...


35:56
 mm-hmm uh wherever russia is that no yukon do you it's yeah canada it's like up north oh okay okay so right and then uh himalayas okay himalayas um and then you know sasquatch or bigfoot and then in north america but you know now it's like


36:17
 we we don't um live in harmony with the planet and um most bigfoot sightings are seen um in very heavily wooded areas which i think is why you see most sasquatch um sightings or myths being in like northern california oregon washington um


36:41
 yeah because that's like the longest stretch of wooded area right you know but there's also um like kentucky and appalachian mountains like yeah the appalachian cryptid oh my god so just on that right we could do it i actually there are podcasts that are just about that yes when i was writing down my notes i wrote if you hear someone call your name in the woods no you didn't


37:08
 no you didn't and if you hear whistling at night keep your fucking ass inside i said that's an italian myth too they were like really oh yeah don't whistle at night don't go outside and whistle and if you hear someone whistle or call your name at night you keep your ass inside get inside lock the doors yeah um


37:35
 I love you. I said that to Avery once and she just looks at me. She's like, but why? If I hear someone calling my name, don't I want like, no, no. That's how the Faye get you. She's going to totally get abducted by the Faye. Damn it. How do we know she's not Faye? Honestly, we don't.


38:02
 She does have that bit of changeling magic about her. It's fine. I'm fairly certain my daughter's a fae too. It's fine. It's a fucking gremlin. Are autistic people just fae? Oh my god! I love that!


38:22
 I mean, if we're doing, like, mental illness to mythical creatures, Autism Fae is like, they can't lie. They don't like certain sounds and metals. That's a pretty direct line to me. We cracked the code. We cracked the code. Heads up, people with autism, you're just fucking fairies.


38:47
 revel in your truth i love that i can't wait to tell my daughter my husband they will totally be thrilled


38:57
 Embrace. Embrace it. Embrace it. But, okay, so one of the stories on Expedition Bigfoot that they tell a lot. I cannot remember where this took place, and that is totally typical me. I can't remember specifics of things, but I can remember a big picture of things.


39:17
 But basically, loggers, logging companies, you know, they would build like little shanty houses for their workers to live. That way they were, you know, they wake up and they go do their job and then they're there. And they actually still do this, logging companies. But this story is like from like the 1800s or whatever. These loggers...


39:46
 were awoken one night by giant


39:50
 ape-like creatures throwing rocks at their little shanty houses and, like... Well, yeah, driving them away. Yes. And, like, it was reported in, like, all these newspapers and, like, they fucking... They're like, fuck this. Pay's not worth being, you know, attacked. But also, like... So that happened...


40:18
 you know 200 whatever years ago but then they also talked to a recent current logger who they had like set up this operation and like the same sort of shit happened and but they couldn't actually see what was doing it was there was like sounds and like


40:40
 Like if you grow up in an area and you know what is in the woods and you know what they sound like and you hear something else. Yeah. That is not human. Yes. Yeah.


40:55
 How do you explain that? Right. I don't know. And I have chills again. Because, like, I could... And I feel like you two could also very easily distinguish your typical outside noises from what's different. I know what a person walking in my yard sounds like. I know what a dog walking in my yard sounds like. Or the chickens rustling around. Or a fisher cat fighting. Like, those are all normal...


41:22
 I live in the woods. Like, outside sounds. You know? Or hawks going at it. Like, any of those things. But every once in a while, I'm like, that's not normal. That's not a normal wood sound. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know. You know when it's not. And loggers, I feel like, have such an innate connection. Like, you're out in the woods. Yeah.


41:51
 all the time and it's like yeah you're actively destroying nature and working for giant corporations which sucks but like those individuals themselves


42:04
 right yeah but this modern modern day logging company like all of those workers were like peace out and they totally abandoned the site i love that and like you know the site's still there and you know it just looks like everyone just fucking up and left which is exactly what they did yeah wow yeah it's like a it's like logging roanoke situation


42:29
 Or I think with the modern one, they're like, yeah, like, our tools would just fucking go missing. Oh, my God. You know, like, and, like, no, and, like, they weren't where they left them, which, you know, you could say, like, oh, well, someone else just took it to use. Well, like, no one else was owning up to it. You know, they were just fucking gone. Right.


42:49
 Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, and if everyone's, like, living in a temp settlement, where are they gonna put the stuff that they stole? Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah. No, it's either disappearing into the woods...


43:04
 Or not. So, the theory I love with Sasquatch is that they are, like, dimension jumpers. What? I've never heard that. I love this. Okay, which is circling back to my third, fourth, fifth dimension. Which is why, like...


43:24
 It's like you see or you hear something and then it's suddenly fucking gone. Right. Yeah. Like where the fuck is it going except beyond our perception. Right. Into a dimension that we can no longer perceive. Or why they're only visible for short periods of time in a blurred kind of like. They're literally we're seeing like a mirage effect of whatever dimension they're in. Yes. Oh I love that. Yes. It's fucking wild. Yeah.


43:52
 And I'm going to watch this show now. I highly recommend it. I, I came home. What did I come home from? I don't know. I was at something. It was like an all day thing. And, you know, Avery, cause she's so fucking sweet. She made me dinner and she's like, I found this TV show that I think you'll like, because I know you're going to be tired. And I was like, this is amazing. Oh my God. I love you so much.


44:22
 Best wife ever. Best wife ever. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like of all the cryptids, I feel like Sasquatch is the most practical, you know, easy to believe in. Yeah. Because when you see a fucking video, I don't care if it's from like a half mile away and the person's this tiny. Right. It looks like...


44:50
 A man, completely covered in fur, walking between two trees. What the fuck is that? Right. And it's also, like, totally plausible, even, even, from, like, a scientific evolutionary standpoint, that a certain indigenous tribe that didn't kowtow to colonization was, like, no, and evolved into something else. Like, there's so much variation in nature to think...


45:17
 that scientifically it's not possible is to me is the same statistical impossibility of thinking we're alone in the universe right why is it so wild to think that one shift in genomes couldn't produce a humanoid third figure when we evolved from apes anyway and this is just a more intelligent version of that evolutionary process like scientifically it seems like there's plenty of reasons for that to make sense


45:43
 There are so many species we haven't discovered in the rainforest and in the ocean. Oh my god, yeah. Ocean's terrifying. It's not outside the realm of possibility that a creature like Sasquatch exists.


45:59
 can exist and it's just really fucking good at avoiding us because frankly i would avoid humans too if i could if you were like oh i'm living in the woods and there's this threat active to my exist why would you be like yeah let me get out there no yeah fuck you guys yeah 100 percent


46:22
 Yeah, there's, um, I forget. It's not on Disney. It's like a different, there was a recent movie made, um, where it's like a modern day take on the like Bigfoot thing.


46:39
 lore and it's like for kids and like this kid lives with his mom and he assumes that the dad like abandoned them but he just like fully evolved into a Sasquatch and as the kid is going through puberty he starts like showing signs of his Sasquatchness and so he goes and finds his dad and his dad like disappeared into the woods to like actively fight against this like oil pipeline it's like modern day Ferngully it's so fucking good


47:07
 jemma is so into it she's obsessed with it she's watched it like a hundred times um yeah and i was i was like wow this movie's like it's a kid's movie but it's such a great take on like the sasquatch lore


47:23
 and like you know and then like his mom moves up there and they all like become a family again and they go like the father and son go like sasquatching in the woods and you know they like make fun of like the meme of like you know yeah like the picture in the woods and like ends up in the local paper and um it's like they frame it and it's like family photo um i was like this is so cute


47:50
 So I'll have to find the actual name of the movie. It's like Littlefoot. No, that was the name of the dinosaur in Land Before Time.


48:01
 movies that gave us trauma oh my god that's a whole other episode oh okay i can't even like go down that road because i just like five popped in my head right yeah yeah i was like oh before time oh my god okay all right i love sasquatch and i love that you love sasquatch i think we'd be totally bffs


48:27
 I agree, honestly. I think you would be besties with Sasquatch. Yeah. So, all right. Do we want to do another one?


48:42
 I mean, we're hitting it at an hour. We could always do Cryptids Part 2 because I have a list to talk about. We didn't even touch Mothman. I know. Or the Loch Ness Monster. Nessie. Or Chupacabras. Fucking Chupacabras. Fucking awesome. Or Selkies.


49:01
 Yes. Right? Okay. Stay tuned for part two of this episode. Which will be whenever we feel like recording again. Whatever. Guys, we don't have a strict recording schedule. We're bad at this. We're not professionals. But are we good at this? Because we honor our bodies and our energy and our time. I love that so much. And yes. Yeah, I'm going to say we're great. I mean, we're on season two, so something's...


49:30
 Whatever. We're doing something. We're doing the things. We're doing the things. Yeah. We're rocking it like 25, 30 listeners. And man, do we love you guys. Like so hard. Okay. All right, Neva. Oh, are we going to pull a card or...


49:51
 Do joyful things? Joyful things. Let's do joyful things. Okay, cool. And then we'll pull a card? Do you want to pull a card? Okay. Yes, I'll pull a card. Okay. Okay. Okay. Neva, what's... What the fuck? We got too flustered talking about Sasquatch. I just get so excited. I just... It's so much fun.


50:16
 um neva what's bringing you joy this week okay here's what's bringing me joy um so i think i've talked about this in the past but i have something to add to it um i'm doing this like zodiac artwork series at the artwork gallery


50:35
 Okay. And so I have two people who have said, as long as you keep offering these, I will keep showing up. So I'm like, okay, cool. I'm down for that. That's like, what, a month? Yes. And so one of these people, they came in to sign up today. So today is the Gemini personal artwork because Gemini season starts on Tuesday. Okay.


51:03
 right and you have you know personal you're a gemini so my birthday month hell yeah so anyway she was telling me she's like my plan she's like i haven't hung them up yet but my plan is once i have all 12 i'm going to put them in like a circle on my wall and i was like i am in love with this


51:26
 That's amazing. I love this so much. Yeah. Because like the premise of the class is like, we look at their birth chart or their birth chart and we see like, where is Gemini and what house is it in? And in your birth chart, like what other luminaries are there? And so then they create, they create like an intention or an affirmation for that season. And then they make a painting of,


51:55
 putting that energy of that intention into the painting oh my god it's like it's the premise behind the class and so that so they end up with like a totally personalized intuitive art piece for their own thing that's oh i love that so much so yeah yeah


52:16
 And I was like, I love that idea. It fills me with a lot of joy. So I had that class today. And so this is Gemini. So I think this is like the third one. I think it's the third one. So we had Aries and Taurus and Gemini. So yeah. That's so exciting. I wish that more than just two people would show up. But you know what? If I go the whole year and I just have those two, then...


52:45
 Yeah. That's all right. Hey, whatever. Yeah. You've given something really magical to those two people. Yes. I like to think so. Yeah. And guided them on a really special journey. Yes. Yeah. What's bringing you joy, Maria? Not anything nearly as magical.


53:04
 Aw, that's okay. I mean, yeah. So, um, my hour anniversary was this past week. Happy anniversary. Thanks. It was 14 years on the 14th. Oh, wow. So, yeah.


53:22
 so nick and i have a real awesome habit of forgetting it's our anniversary i think i saw this post on facebook like literally the both of us every year we're like oh fuck yeah that's today isn't it um like we're just not those people do you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah um i feel the same way about like valentine's day


53:45
 I'm like, if you're not celebrating your relationship and your person or persons a little bit every day, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah. So the both of us feel like that about our anniversary. So my mother-in-law comes over and she's like, happy anniversary, you guys. We're like, oh, yeah. Happy anniversary. Yeah.


54:07
 But yesterday, my in-laws came over to watch the kids so we can go like on a date night. And we were like, I guess it's for our anniversary, but it was just like nice to have a date night. And we went out to eat.


54:22
 and we were like gonna go to the movies and then the movie we wanted to go see was like sold out for the showing that we wanted to go to and i didn't buy tickets ahead of time and i was like whatever so we just kind of like meandered and did a bunch of random different things


54:40
 yeah we like yeah so we like ate and then we went and walked around and then we got ice cream and then we went to the bookstore and then we just like walked around a bunch of different places and then eventually came home um


54:55
 and it was just awesome yeah it was great we like it was like such a nice relaxed uh date night just to like hang out with you know my partner just like spend some time just the two of us so that gave me a lot of joy it felt really nice yeah i love that yeah so it was good


55:17
 yeah but that's what's bringing me joy um do you want me to pull a card yeah i would love for you to pull a card okay so this is my lilith queen of the night oracle fuck yeah that's the back of the card get it let me just get a little shuffle here oh love lilith queen of the night


55:47
 This was a Kickstarter. As we all are. Holy shit. Okay. What is it? Lilith, Dark Goddess, Empowerment. I embrace my shadows and turn my fears into wings that lift me toward my true power.


56:07
 That's amazing. Right? That's crazy. Like, I pulled the card of the deck. The card. Yeah. I pulled the card. The card. The Lilith card. Yep. Yeah. That's amazing. I also feel like that really ties into what you were saying, that all these local legends and things with women who were wronged. Yeah. And, yeah. Yeah.


56:38
 Shadows are... You don't have to fear your shadows. No, you can integrate them. Like Sasquatch. Like Sasquatch. I want a fucking shadow integration module that involves Sasquatch and cryptids. Be like, integrate your shadows with cryptids. That's a phenomenal class.


57:02
 I would take that class so hard. That's a million dollar idea. That's a million dollar idea. Had it pending. Yes. Nobody steal it from us. Oh, my God. That's awesome. Okay. I love that for us. Me too. This was fun. This was so fun. And we're going to have a follow up. Yes, because, you know, I just talked a lot about Sasquatch.


57:30
 yeah and it's amazing Sasquatch is cool he is cool and she all the Sasquatches all the Sasquatch fam okay all right thank you everyone for listening go follow us on all the things like download share um trick your dog into listening trick your dog into listening that's gonna be our go-to line


58:01
 I need to make a sticker. Trick your dog into listening. Yeah. Your dog will love you even more than it already does. It's true. Mine's asleep listening to us. So if that doesn't tell you. Passed out in his crate.


58:27
 Oh, man. All right. Bye, friends. Bye, friends.