S3, Episode 1: Spiritual Red Flags: "There are so many people in my freezer"

Summary of Lost Girls Podcast – Season 3, Episode on Spiritual Red Flags

Hosts: Neva and Maria
Recording Date: February 1, 2026 (Imbolc and Leo Full Moon)
Theme: Identifying spiritual red flags within witch and broader spiritual communities, with reflections on growth, ethics, and cultural respect.

Reflections

• The hosts encourage self-awareness and shadow work as essential to healthy spirituality.
• They emphasize the need for cultural humility and respect when adopting spiritual tools or practices from marginalized groups.
• The conversation acknowledges the complexity and fluidity of spiritual identities and energies, pushing back against rigid binaries and elitism.
• The episode closes with a call for listeners to reflect on their own practices and consider doing better when they recognize red flags.

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Transcript

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 Hi friend! Hi friend! And hello friends listening, whether this is your first or many times, welcome back or welcome to the Lost Girls podcast. I am one of your hosts, Neva.

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 And I am your other host, Maria. And we're back. We're back. Season three, baby. Season two was a little short. Yeah, it was a little short. Okay. Season three is like where it's at, though. I agree. I agree. Season three is where it's at. We were gonna... What are we adding to the intro? Let's get this party started. Okay.

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 Oh, man. Well, Maria, what are we talking about today? Oh, man. Well, you and I haven't talked in a bit. So we had like a full 45 minute.

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 bitch session yeah before we started recording just about life and things because we are currently recording this on february 1st of 2026 and bulk and leo full moon by the way hell yeah um and uh

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 Which I think is very fitting for us because Imbolic is really like the witchy start to the year. We're emerging from the darkness of winter. We're the little flower that comes out of the snow.

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 Yeah. Snowdrops. I knew it was called something like that. Crocuses. Hyacinths? I don't know. Those are all... Those are all flowers. Those are all flowers. Nailed it. Flowers. I did it. All right. Done and done. Done and done. There's no other flowers. Daffodils? Go fuck yourself. So...

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 If you're wondering, yes, this is how we always are. Yes, correct. You have found the correct chaotic ADHD podcast that just happens to be run by two witches. So I think today we're going to cover some spiritual red flags. Yes. So, you know, if you feel triggered, that might be something to sit with and allow that to exist in your body. Yeah.

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 Right. If you're like, oh, hey, I do some of these things, consider not doing some of these things. Or, you know, ask yourself why you do them. Yeah, that's better. Yeah. You know, a little shadow work. A little shadow work. Yeah. We do love the shadow work. I mean, we don't. It sucks, but we have to do it. Okay.

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 A life not inspected is just, you know, privileged. Yeah. Ooh, that's good. I like that. Thank you. I made it up just now. Yeah. Some Sherlock Holmes shit.

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 I don't know why. Okay. So, spiritual red flags. So... And we're talking about, like, things witches, spiritual people in the space do that is not good. I think we really need to differentiate between, like, new people to the space because...

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 new newbies you don't know like we're not holding that against you yeah oh yeah I guarantee you I have probably done everything on my damn list at some point right yeah like I was like but I feel like part of chat work part of growth part of growing is when you listen to marginalized people and you

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 are like oh shit I've been maybe doing some of this stuff and then you choose to change like part of that is also holding love and space for the prior version of you who didn't know any better and when we know better we need to do better in my opinion as Maya Angelou once said is that a Maya Angelou quote? yeah it is yeah

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 Yeah. I love her. She's a good egg. Yeah. She's a dead egg, but she was a good egg. Anyway. Shout out Maya Angelou. So...

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 Oh boy. So yeah. So I don't think this doesn't speak to like new people in the space who don't know any of these things. I think this is like people who have been in spiritual communities who have probably heard they shouldn't be doing some of these things and then continue to do them because, well, that's just what I like to do. Now you are a problem. You're a problem and I'm coming for you.

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 Okay, well, do you want to start or would you like me to start? Because we have a list. We do. We both have lists. I think you should start because I know your first thing is also my first thing. And let's just get it out of the way. Okay. A person... So this is a red flag to me. A person who claims to only be love and light. So... Okay, so I actually...

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 I think I put this on threads and it actually generated some interesting conversation and some views that I had not considered. I've never liked the term light worker. Yeah, I have light worker on mine. Okay. Because I think that there are some people who use that as, I don't want to look at...

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 the shadow side of things. I, you know, I'm only looking at, I'm, I'm staying positive and I'm raising my vibe. And if I stay happy and positive, then, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's toxic positivity. It is. Yeah. That's what it feels like. Wrapped in spirituality. Right. Yeah. But what was pointed out to me and I can, okay, you know, I can take this.

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 There are other people who claim the term lightworker who aren't love and light because they literally just want to help the world navigate out of the shadow. And I'm like... Okay. Okay. As long as you're recognizing that there's a shadow. Yes. And like...

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 You know, it should be addressed and learned from and integrated. Oh, I love the word integrated. Like a person can't just be all light. That's not how people work. That's not how people work. Yeah. So. Yeah. But yeah, when someone says, I'm only loving light. Well. You're not really solving many problems with that. Let me tell you. No, if you're not willing to dive into. Yeah.

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 the shadow side because you literally cannot have light without shadow right yeah oh boy that's that that feels like a big one to me but yeah yeah so yeah we're gonna ruffle some feathers that's okay oh i oh we are i'm sure i have a couple that are definitely gonna ruffle a feather

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 oh I can't wait okay I have one that just says okay this one might be funny because I wrote it down and it might just be a thing that irks me Maria and maybe isn't a spiritual red flag but it just says big hat witchy okay you're gonna have to unpack that one for me I think

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 Big hat witchy. Yes. Specifically. I can't stop laughing. Oh, boy. Deep breaths. Specifically, white women who wear these huge hats and are like, I'm so deep and I'm so witchy. What you hiding under there, girl?

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 I feel like you're almost speaking to an aesthetic.

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 Yeah. Okay. Here's the thing. I feel like it's appropriated from Southern black women culture who are known for their beautiful hats, either going to church, like to Baptist churches or just within their society and communities. Um, and it feels really co-opted and it's like, Oh, well if I'm wearing this big fucking hat, um,

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 Everyone will know that I'm a witch. Everyone will know that I'm a witch. I'm like, well, what are you co-opting here? The idea that black women are magic and now you're just stealing that with an aesthetic, like with a hat. It really, really bothers me. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. So...

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 You're talking about huge witchy hats or just huge hats in general? Just huge hats in general. Okay. So, yeah. Yeah, big hats. Okay. I know. I know. I told you it was a weird one. That's okay, though. I literally wrote down big hats. Did you write it in all caps, though? I didn't. Oh. But I did underline it and highlight it. Oh, okay.

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 okay fun fact that i learned about witchy like what you consider a traditional witchy sort of style hat yeah so okay let me try to remember this what we consider to be like the witchy style hats were originally worn by women beer brewers oh that's

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 I can't remember why that style specifically, but when it was decided like, oh, these women are gaining power and they're gaining money and we need to take that away from them. Then they made them witch hats. Yep. Right. Because of course they did. Because women having power and agency is clearly witchcraft. I mean, obviously.

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 Yeah. You want to hear something super nuts? Yes. I just got a fucking weather alert that came across the top of my computer screen because I get weather alerts and it just said, hold on to your hat.

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 Okay, that's crazy. That's crazy. It said, hold on to your hat. It's going to be a windy one. I was like, the fuck? I'd call that a synchronicity. I would. All right, universe. I see you. I see you. I see you. Okay, my turn. All right, what you got? Yeah, let's go. So this kind of goes along with my first one, the love and light. Good vibes only.

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 So, for those of you not watching the recording, Maria nearly did a spit take. I really did. But my equipment is too expensive. Oh, boy. Yeah. Okay. Because I also have one that says high vibration only. Oh, yeah. I'm like, I feel like that's the same thing. Yeah. Okay.

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 okay we were on vacation and we went into like a witchy shop crystal shop blah blah blah whatever and in giant a giant neon letters on the wall it said good vibes only and i was like oh well i know what kind of place this is and um walking around find their tarot collection every single one was uh

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 like dupes. What? Yeah. So for those of you who don't know, um,

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 people who steal tarot deck designs, they, they might like buy the real one, but then they make a knockoff version for much cheaper. You could buy them on Timu. Like you can buy the knockoff versions on Timu. And the knockoff versions wouldn't be available if people didn't buy them. You know, the market would not exist if people did not buy them. But what you're doing is you're stealing from that artist who originally created it.

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 And you're buying an inferior product. And I myself bought a knockoff deck before I understood what it was. So, you know, if you have, this is like no shade. This is, I'm not, you know, saying this to shame you. I'm saying this to educate you because I have literally also done it. Yeah, same. I bought one. I was like, the fuck? Right. It's like the size is wrong. The colors are off. Sometimes the images are inverted. Yeah.

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 They never come with a guidebook. They have like a QR code. Yep. To send you to like clearly someone scanned the original guidebook and put it online. Yep. They almost always come in some sort of tuck box.

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 And that's not to say every tuck box is a fake. That's not to say anything with a QR code that is a fake. That's not what we're saying. Because, you know, plenty of small independent artists do that because it's cheaper. But just, gosh. Yeah. And so, you know, that's two red flags. And I was out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's rough. Good vibes only. Yeah.

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 Frankly, it's kind of like spiritual bypassing. If you're like, I only vibrate on a high vibration. Well, that's why I wrote down. And it's specifically that it's like, oh, I can't deal with you because you're at a lower vibration than I am. You wouldn't understand. You don't understand me. You don't understand because I vibrate higher. And I'm like, bitch, all of us can turn our fucking sex toys up to high vibrate. And...

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 I'll show you what spirituality means. But until then, get out of my face with that shit. I'll show you what spirituality means. Fuck. I think that is the title of the episode. I'm gonna write that down. Oh, boy. Okay. Oh, man.

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 yeah i was just like okay and not to generalize but higher vibration than you and good vibes only is almost always accompanied by a bitch in a big hat the venn diagram is a circle the venn diagram is a circle yes

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 oh man okay all right what else you got okay the oh you know what i think is the spiritual red flag for me shaming new people into spirituality because they like just don't know as much as you do

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 Instead of seeking to educate or help. Yep. Like, that's a huge red flag. You shouldn't, like, lord your...

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 you know, I don't care how many levels of priestess you have, like, right. Wait, that actually needs to be on my list. Yes. Levels of priestess. Well, if you want to join our coven, there's a $45 monthly fee and, um, you'll move up in priestess levels until you reach, you know, blue Lotus. And then it's like, okay, this is, um,

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 This is patriarchy. Yeah, this is just, you're just designing a patriarchal system. Thanks for making a mini organized religion, I guess. Like, that's a pyramid scheme. I got nothing. Yeah. This is wild. Oh, man. You know what? I have, I'm going to be adding some things to my list, but. Yeah. Yeah.

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 Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. I know. So shaming newbies, like, really, that one hurts. And maybe because I teach high school, and so I see a lot of – and not just girls, but a lot of young –

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 young adults who are like just starting and they're making some of these mistakes. And, you know, I'm like the elder that's around. And so I'm just like, Hey, you might want to look into this, this and this. Um,

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 and not with any shame it's like i love that they're exploring their belief system and their spirituality and whatever else that they question um that's great but you know to shame them make them feel bad about it it's like well you're that's you're just i don't know that really annoys the shit out of me can we talk about the opposite side of that coin which is when newbies

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 um act like they know everything and want to yes like like honey also newbie like respect your elders like honey no you you you started meditating six months ago you're not channeling like hecate i'm sorry

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 yeah oh my god also the idea that like just meditation alone is well i'm being spiritual because i'm meditating and doing yoga all right first of all you're doing two medically and scientifically proven practices to help your physical and mental health is it spiritual in and of its own

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 Maybe, but only if you're adding in those elements. Yeah. Like, my husband does yoga regularly. I wouldn't call him spiritual about it. I can't do yoga. It makes me mad. Well, and shit, even yoga, like, that is a practice that came from, where did yoga come from? India? India. India. Okay. How often do we see that?

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 acknowledged only when they say namaste or again use a lotus as their logo otherwise it's 100% appropriation yeah or just like how often do you see a person who is Indian as like an instructor oh my god I never yeah

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 And that's not to say don't do yoga. Like, that's not what I'm saying. Yoga's great. It is great. But, you know, acknowledge where things come from. Acknowledge their origins. Right. You know? Which I do actually think is part of yoga training, like, certification. I do believe that's part of it. I would hope so. That would be awesome. Yeah. Because I feel like... I feel like there's so many...

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 Certificate. There's people who just collect certifications and they give zero regard to where this practice originated and it's been very, shall we say, whitewashed. Yes. Yes. 100%. You know, like the more I think about it, like.

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 It all comes from source and whatever you want to call source is fine. Right. But you need to acknowledge that if you're going to practice something very specific, that's not part of your culture. You need to be aware of the culture it comes from and acknowledge the culture that it comes from. Right. I have lots of feelings. Yeah. Yeah.

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 I don't even know. Oh, okay. I'm like, what did this one start as? I was like, oh, right. Shaming newbies, but then also newbies who know everything. I'm trying to like cross them off my list as we go along. Crossing off big hats. I'm checking mine off as we go too. Yeah. Okay. My next one is a big, a big thorn in my side.

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 Ooh, okay. Emphasis on the divine feminine. I'm actually reading a book, and Maria, look this book up so we can link it. Okay. It's called... Oh, gosh. Is it called Oga? No, it's not. Queer Divine? Gosh. Okay. Okay.

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 We're going to take a time out. Or you can just send it to me afterwards. Okay, I'll send it to you afterwards. But I've only read the first two chapters, but I mean, on the one hand, yes, it is reinforcing what I already believe, so there is that aspect to it. But

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 like divine masculine and divine feminine are very modern binary very modern binary interpretations of the divine and yeah i have i've done a much better job this year i'm not getting in arguments with idiots on the internet but i'm so proud of you you should be proud of me i am i know but if when i say

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 the divine has no gender, you should see the people come for me. Oh my god, I can only imagine. Yeah. And here. Okay, so here's why an emphasis on the divine feminine might not be a red flag, but it's definitely a yellow flag that's gonna make me pause and it's gonna make me kind of feel what do you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Because in my experience,

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 A lot of those people are trans-exclusionary radical feminists. Right. They're TERFs. Yes. Yeah. No, I would agree with you. They're like, gay people are fine. But trans women aren't real women. Yep. Because it's not the divine feminine. It's like, you know, I don't think Source has a gender.

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 you are assigning it that attribute, which is like, if that's only for you, that's great. Like if you interpret whatever you're getting from sources, like I am filled with my own, like the divine feminine, that that's wonderful. I'm so happy for you. That's great. Feminine and around baby. But don't be like, no source is feminine.

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 feminine or masculine, and the energies are only in this binary, and thus excluding a whole category of people from practice, it's like, you might want to rethink that. Also, how do you know? Did you inspect the genitals of the energy you were receiving? Did it tickle you in a fun spot? How do you explain two-spirit, people? Right. Like, I just...

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 Yeah, I can't. All of it's like just an unidentifiable miasma of energy. Like you're putting attributes on it. Yeah. What was I going to say? Oh, like feminine and masculine, those are archetypes. Yes, absolutely. And I think that there are deities that are identified as such. Yes, but that, in my opinion, does not make the divine...

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 feminine or masculine. So I would agree with you. Anyway, that's kind of more of a yellow flag for me. Yeah, that's a caution. Maybe mostly because the language is everywhere. And it's really hard to be like, oh, well, if everyone is using this verbiage, then clearly this is the verbiage to use. And they never take a step back to

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 inspect or think for themselves or yeah yeah no i agree i think there was a meme i saw it was like related to stranger things and like i really related to it

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 Because it was a meme of Steve Harrington from Stranger Things protecting all of the kids. And it was like proof that divine like mother energy can live in us all. And I was like, oh, I love that meme.

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 that specific I was like is there an energy that is like divine protection mother oriented energy yes can it only exist in people who were biologically born women no that's crazy well I have witnessed arguments over womb cleansing or like or womb

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 you know, like womb clearing, cleansing, whatever. And people like, oh, men do not belong in these spaces, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay, but if we accept the fact that we are all embodying all of these archetypes at all the times, you know, we all have a sacral chakra. Yes. Like...

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 Yeah, I agree. And also because my energy tends towards the masculine if we're putting those attributes on it. Yeah. I don't need to tell you anymore. Just walking around, swang in that big dick energy. I don't want to tell you. And my partner's tends towards the more stereotypically feminine energy. Yeah.

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 And that's just what our vibe is, man. I feel like because women, regardless of race, at least historically in this country, have been marginalized, been silenced. I believe that there are many people who relate very strongly to

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 to the idea of a divine feminine in reclaiming that power. And I recognize and I appreciate that. And I also feel like sometimes it goes just a step beyond. Step too far. I like it in terms of recognizing deities or people who have... Like, I always... Like, I like the idea of having...

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 Like a statue garden in my yard of deities who to me represent like kind, compassionate energy. So like Mother Mary, if you want to go Christian or Mary Magdalene or to me, St. Francis. Like to me, those are fantastic.

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 feminine energy divinity or Hecate and, you know, or ear in, in Celtic lore. So, or Bridget, like there are, if you're putting them on deities where it's like, yes, that is one of their attributes. Yeah.

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 Fantastic. But to assign it to sources like, oh, you've gone a step too far, dear. This person translated the energy for themselves in this way. And so it's great to identify with that. But as soon as you're assigning those attributes to everybody, it's like, what are you doing? Well, and even beyond that, deities, goddesses, gods, etc.,

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 you know, they have much, you know, they're so, I feel like they're far, they're more, much more fluid. They're much more beyond the binary that our tiny little human brains can even conceive because like Kali Ma, like, yes, she is very loving, very, she is mother, you know, but she will also rip your fucking head off. Right. Also assign a gender attribute to Loki. Yeah.

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 Go ahead and try. Like... Exactly. Exactly. That's, like, the most non-binary. Or Scotty. Like, who switched between genders. Who was it that turned into a horse and, like... Loki! It was Loki. Yeah! Yeah, Loki turned into a horse, fucked another horse, then that...

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 because he was the lady horse and then gave birth to an eight legged horse sleeping year which became like Odin's steed okay essentially so Loki just like fucked off for a while had a baby and then came back with an eight legged horse I'm pretty sure that's how that lore goes correct me if I'm wrong listeners I knew something along those lines

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 It's like, you're going to try and put a gender on any of that? Like, I don't... It's just fucking rad, man. It's rad is what it is. Yep, exactly. So, anyway. Anyway. Moving along. Moving along. Is it my turn or your turn? I think it's your turn. Okay. Um...

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 all right i have so many but i feel like they're like such like dark pits to go down um speaking along okay people who claim to be spiritual um

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 But in reality, or maybe they are spiritual, but and are also like energy vampires. Or just when you're around them, you experience psychic attacks. Like they have some bad entities attached to them. Yes. Yes. And I think this is like.

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 it's it's about intent really yeah like i don't think that those people are new to the spiritual space right you know what i mean like these are people who are spiritual have been spiritual and their intent is not good or this is just how they've been their whole life like their energy's fucked um probably because they haven't done their shadow work

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 Oh my god, I was just going to say that. I was like, they've given in completely to their shadow and not done any of the work to integrate it, and it fights constantly by attacking everyone around it. Yeah. Yeah, no, I get that. That's a big red flag for me. Especially since I feel like I'm particularly...

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 attuned to those people because i'll feel like like the maloik or like the evil i'm like oh we're putting up barriers like right now we're putting up all the barriers um like got it got it got it got it got it your name's gonna go on a scrap of paper in the freezer because

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 Love a good freezer. Love a good freezer. I have so many people in my freezer. I have so many... Maybe that should be the title of the episode. Another good option. Another good option. I have so many people in the freezer. I have so many people in my freezer. Okay. Okay, so, you know, I like following...

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 New pages, you know, discovering new people. And there was a time, and I have since obviously unfollowed these people because holy shit. There are people who are all the time like, so-and-so sent a hex at me and blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, bruh, you are like in some serious spiritual psychosis right now. What?

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 I opened a seltzer and it made such a loud sound. Oh, I didn't hear it. Never mind. I guess I don't have to cut it. Yeah. I don't even know what to say to that. I don't know. It's like over-dramatization. Yes. Oh, my God. They love the drama. They love the drama. That's what it is.

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 they're just doing it in a new space. Like they're just doing drama in the spiritual space. Like this bitch said a hex at me. And so I'm going to curse them. I'm like, all right, calm down, man. It's not that serious. I promise you. Yeah. Yeah. We're not sending like psychic cyber attacks at each other over here. Like just handle your business. Oh my God.

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 Yeah. I feel like that sort of fits in with...

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 like ignoring real mental health struggles yes as like witchy practice you're like well i'm not gonna deal with my depression oh boy because i feel more connected to source or this is just how i am well you're gonna feel real connected to source if you don't get your depression under control

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 yep you're gonna go right back to it i love you so much amazing wow yeah but like for real or like oh like do you understand like there's a difference between

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 listening and hearing to source and things versus schizophrenia yes yes there is i had that conversation with my therapist actually because i was like i don't know if i should feel crazy or not he's like well are they telling you to hurt yourself no they're actually saying really nice things and he's like well you're not crazy yeah

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 yeah it's just that like they make me cry because they say such nice things yeah it's like my you know my dream team just all my protecting spiritual guides just being like you got this you can do it I really like my therapist though because he is very open to you know

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 Just about anything, actually. That's awesome. Also, a good trait for a therapist. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Ready for another one? I'm ready. All right. I think you'll like this one. Let's go. People who talk about ascension and 4D and 5D and, like, you have to...

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 This goes along with high vibration people, I think. Yeah, it does. Them bitches are wearing big hats! There was a podcast that I used to listen to and I stopped listening to it because they're all like, we have to ascend and live in the 5D space. And I was like, no, because we live in reality, which is the three-dimensional space. And yes, sometimes our consciousness has to go up there to

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 receive whatever message we need but then we have to come back and integrate it into reality right because I don't know if you know this you live in the world and you kind of have to like function like you do and also you know to that point also um okay so I have been practicing doing more mediumship

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 as it applies to, like, higher self messages. And I have two palm stones. One is a dinosaur bone fossil, and the other one is a petrified wood. So they are... Oh, I love that. You know, hundreds of thousands. Like, I have to ground myself so fucking much when I am working in those higher realms, because otherwise, like...

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 I get so like, I get ungrounded, but like, right. But you know, so to that point, there's nothing wrong with quote unquote, low vibrations. That's how we fucking connect to the planet, you know? Right. So, right. I feel again, it's like a, like a spectrum thing, right? It's like only the light is good. Only the high vibration is good. It's like, okay, again, none of those things are,

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 That's like saying, like, every day is going to be the best day ever. Well, then no day is the best day ever. Right. Because then they're all the same. Like...

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 In order for vibrations to be high or the light to be good, the opposite has to exist. There has to be balance. Yep. Yep. There must be balance in the force. There must be balance in the force. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, we wouldn't get hot villains like Kylo Ren. True. True.

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 We watched Return of the Jedi the other night because Avery wanted to watch a movie where the good guys triumphed over tyranny.

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 Perfect. She wanted to watch V for Vendetta, and I said, I don't think I can handle V for Vendetta right now, so how about Star Wars? Yeah. Perfect. Like, does that happen in V for Vendetta? Sure. Are you going to go through a Les Mis-like misery before it happens? Sure are. Is it going to hit too fucking close to home? Yes. Mm-hmm.

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 I need a little fantasy with my... Yeah. For real. I need to escape this reality for just a little while. Yeah. Let's go to outer space. Live in a high vibration. Yes. Exactly that. Oh, man. I'm sorry. I'm only accepting high vibes right now.

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 oh boy okay that's a good one good one thanks i thought so you know what's funny i have one that fits along that yeah and it's the the one reading fits all uh if this is coming up on your fyp then this message is for you

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 Yes. Like... I don't... I'm so mad about it. It's like, how? How? How? How? Like, are you reading a stranger's energy and then posting it on the internet and then assuming that the stranger just happened to find your thing? Because we just call that marketing. Like... But the algorithm gods...

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 brought that message to you Maria listen not that I don't think math can't be spiritual because I truly do

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 Anyway, I was going to make a pie joke and I was like, anyway. But the fact that like that's even a thing. And I'm not talking about people who are like in the current astrological state we're in. This is like energy. These signs might be feeling. I feel like that's based in something remotely grounded. Do you know what I mean? It's like, oh, we're going to have a Leo full moon. There's probably a reason why my daughter is exhausted today.

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 uh let this leo rising tell you that i've been feisty as fuck yeah she's been angry and tired like those are her two emotions because she's a leo son so yeah yeah angry and tired that pretty much describes me the last few days yeah yeah well you and john would have a lot to talk about

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 Get her on as a guest. Jenna has already decided she loves me. She does. She does love you. And she clearly has very good taste in people. She does. Yeah. She judges people in a split second. And it's just like, no. Okay.

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 but with any of it was like yes that's the one that's the one she's like no she's cool yeah okay great just like you know just like hold her out around like a drunk dog but

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 which is awesome because my other child couldn't be more the opposite and they're like but what if there's like good inside my quippy inside oh man anyway what are we talking about but the one reading fits all yeah

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 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, that has never in my life worked for a bathing suit, a hat, or a pair of socks. This is not Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. This is not. No. Oh, man. Yeah. So, that one irks me. No, I get that. I like that we have...

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 different but similar things on our list. Okay, so this kind of relates to one of mine. Once in a lifetime astrological event. You don't want to miss this! Yes!

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 Oh, my God. I have, if you don't do this, something bad will happen. If you don't do exactly this spell at exactly this time with exactly these ingredients, you'll have bad luck forever. Like, is this a pain email?

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 Spin take number two. Spin take number two. We're racking them up. Oh my God. This is the Nigerian prince needs to send you of spirituality. If you don't send this to 10 friends, you'll be cursed forever.

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 Bitch, what? Get out of here. Oh, my God. Like, is there credence to working spells and rituals around astrological events? Yes. Sure, yeah. But this is straight up fear-mongering. Yes. Oh, yeah, it's fear-mongering for sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, my God.

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 The once in a lifetime astrological event. I'm like, hey, you know what's awesome about astrological events? They're almost never.

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 once not maybe not once in a lifetime but once in a like ever right like there's very few singularities so much so that they had to turn the coin singularities for space because there's so few of them i mean to be fair though last year and this year and next year there's a lot of fucking shit like there's a lot

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 yeah there's a ton of a lot of things that have not happened at the same time in in hundreds of years but not since ever right so that's okay that's the cool thing about astrology though is because it is mathematical and you can choose literally any date like literally ever and

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 before recorded history. Assuming planets have moved in the same fashion that they have always moved. And you can calculate where things were located millions of years ago. Which is very cool. It is very cool. Yeah. Math rules. Math is cool. Math is cool. I swear to God. But also, but like...

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 don't let someone make you feel bad or like you, you missed your only window of opportunity. Yeah. If you didn't set intentions on this new moon, well, you're fucked. Your whole year is just your whole year. Oh my God. It's like, all right. Like calm down, bro. Yeah. Calm down, bro. Oh my God.

00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:39,000
 yeah that one is oh you know what that really goes along with only I can fix it like because it's the same this thing is happening and if you want to fix it pay me $39.99 to download this guide I'm going to fix it right now oh my god everything is a doom portal like everything is a doom that like save your mentality

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 yeah that's what it is save your mentality yeah save your mentality and yeah i don't know if that'd be a pyramid scheme but it's definitely uh no but scammy as hell it's like capitalism in spirituality yeah yeah which i do not know i also i also don't like people who capitalize on um like

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 Bad events that happen. Yes. The word is not coming to my head. Catastrophe? Yeah. Capitalize on catastrophe. Capitalizing on catastrophes. Yeah. Yeah.

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 Yeah, be like, this tragic event happened. Tragedy, that's the word. Yeah, pay me for a tarot reading on how you can deal with it. And it's like, they might want to talk to an actual professional therapist. Because this is a real-life traumatic event. Okay, so this wasn't on my list, but ethics and spirituality...

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 yeah i mean i know we did a whole episode on it in season one but seriously it might need a revisit and we might need a revisit i mean how is it this is kind of a revisit it kind of is yeah it kind of is oh well that also fits in i actually it has been a long ass time since i got a

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 hello lovely I was drawn to your energy and yes it's been a while since I got one of those and I got was like oh damn these people are still around how'd they find me yeah right it's always like hey queen I saw your profile and felt your energy calling out to me and I was like I guarantee you my energy wasn't calling out guarantee I got that shit locked down bitch oh my god I was just gonna say I got that shit unlocked

00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:53,000
 I fucking love you so much. That's awesome. Maria, after two seasons, we basically share a brain. Yeah, yeah. It's true. We've done it long enough. Even though this is our, you know, comeback. Season three.

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 You thought we were gone? You were wrong. You were wrong. We were just disassociating from the world for a bit. I actually... I had a previous guest, Denise, who does astrology. I'm doing, like, quarterly readings with her throughout this year. So cool. Which I'm super excited about. And she... We had our first one, like, a month ago or so. And she was like...

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 I noticed you haven't put out any episodes lately. I was like, everything's kind of a lot, but we'll be back. We'll be back. We'll be back. It's just, it's away. It's not forever. So shout out Denise. Shout out Denise. She was an awesome guest. Oh my God. What a talented person. Yes, absolutely. Maybe you should just like have her on like once a year.

00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:58,000
 I know. We just have an annual Denise episode. That'd be awesome. It would be awesome. Oh, man. Okay. Is it your turn? My turn? I don't even know anymore. I think it's your turn.

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 All right. Do we want to do the big one, which is like sage bundles? I have it. Yeah. Crystals and cultural appropriation of close practices. Let's do it. Let's do it. It sucks, y'all. Don't fucking do it. You know what? I would like to add to that list, and I always mispronounce this, so get ready to laugh. Ayahuasca...

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 Oh, ayahuasca. Because what a bunch of white people want to do is go and participate in a closed indigenous practice and puke and shit their brains out and think they're having a spiritual experience. You morons.

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 I think what bothers me the most, and this comes back to the end, just two mushrooms. Well, this comes back to the integration thing is these people are, my perception is people are wanting to escape their reality and they think what they're doing is a spiritual awakening and

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 But when you do, you know, six or seven a year, you are not integrating anything that you are learning. You are bypassing it. Right. And it's like maybe if you do that once and you have like true revelations and then you go back into your regular life.

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 Oh, absolutely. Right.

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 But if you're just doing it for fun at Burning Man, you're not having a spiritual experience. You're having a drug trip. Fine. Then just call it what it is. Then just say you want to get high and have a drug. Fine. Do that. Also, when it's just continuous and you're not allowing...

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 your three-dimensional body to integrate the things that you learn, which, you know, hopefully you're going into that experience with some sort of intention or something you want to learn about yourself. Right. Other than let's get fucked up. Then all you're doing is putting yourself through trauma. Right. And then you're not dealing with that trauma. I know. It seems so damaging. Like... You know...

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 that's even before we start talking about how it's closed practice yeah and that's all before we get to the fact that it's an indigenous practice then it's questionable whether you should be doing it anyway unless you've like paid an indigenous person to administer that medicine to to administer that medicine and they're like you know i'm cool with it okay well then great but

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 Yeah. Right. And the white sage. Bad. Just bad. Yes. I, for one, have rosemary bundles. Why? Because that's an herb that's important to my ancestry and my people. And it's historically been used to cleanse spaces, like smoke-cleansing spaces.

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 isn't the appropriated, you know, tactic. Yeah, term. It's the herb that people are using. Or... Okay. I'm going to try to, like, remain calm for this. Get it, girl. Get it. Get angry. I think what bothers me the most... So, as we were discussing...

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 before we even started recording, but I feel like it varies repeating, and I should have taken the time to look up what the act was called and the actual year, but maybe you can add that into the show notes. Yeah. When Indigenous people's way of life, when their medicine, when their children were being stolen from them,

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 by the united states government and you know we are not the only government to do that look at australia look at australia look you know literally anywhere but canada oh my god canada they also did it to their native american and then just mass graved a bunch of people it's fine okay but anyway we live in the united states so we will

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 We'll roast them. Yeah, but you're also dealing with, like, all the ancestral rage. I am. I am. Right. So it is normal that you are this mad about it. You should be this mad about it. Thank you for affirming my feelings, Maria. Every day. Every day, babe. I got you. Anyway, while all that was happening, it was basically, it was made illegal for Indigenous Americans to

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 to practice their medicine. And then in the 60s, Congress passed an act that un-outlawed it. I can't remember the name. Maria will figure it out in the show notes. And suddenly it was legal for them to have their culture back after it had been completely decimated and destroyed.

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 Yeah, for like 150, 200 years prior. Right. They had to wait for all the old people to die off who remembered it. Right. Right. Because then once the generations are dead... The fact that I'm like... Look at my hands. I'm like trying to remain calm here. Press my fingertips. Deep breaths. White sage... was not allowed to be used...

00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:39,000
 by indigenous Americans for however many generations. And in my opinion, it needs people who use it, who are not of that culture, who use it on a regular basis. It is such an entitlement to say, well, I was taught by this person and they said it was okay. So, and I've been using it this whole time, so it's fine.

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 It's not, though. And I've literally, like, I've had conversations with people that I love and adore, and that's what they have said to me. And they've said, you know, like, well, it comes from the earth, and the earth gives to us all. And I'm like, well, you're not wrong, but you're also not right. Right. It's like, great. Can you tell me exactly where in your lineage your ancestors would have found this herb on the earth? Yeah.

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 To use. Because guaranteed they didn't. Unless they were indigenous. Because this is where it grew. And this is what they used. And it is part of their practice. White sage. Palo Santo. Sweetgrass. Yeah. Palo Santo. Well first of all. I didn't know this until I was at that retreat last fall. Palo Santo relaxes me straight into the fucking ground. Yeah.

01:00:37,000 --> 01:01:03,000
 when I tell you it's just like my brain shuts off and I'm just like it's it's what I always imagined weed was supposed to feel like yeah probably but yeah but yeah it doesn't feel like that for me yeah weed um but yeah anyway so that's that's my um that's my soapbox moment

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 yeah no i'm right there with you oh and and drums like uh indigenous american drums like they couldn't they couldn't use their drums and now they can but but people still use them and they don't understand anyway okay i'm done right no or just like

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 I think it's a lot of the like terms and sayings that have been integrated into our culture that people still think are okay. So when people are like, well, my spirit animal is no, it's not. No, it's not. And I, and I've used, I've used that term too. And someone said, Hey, this is actually dah, dah, dah, dah. And I'm like, Oh shit. Like that's not,

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 i'm so sorry right oh right you know this is all things i've done yeah yeah yeah i fucking have palo santo i fucking have white sage because i bought it before i knew and so now i'm like okay hundred percent i know what i do with that well what do i do with it but also like okay i'm going to find a way that i can use this while also honoring where it came from and the culture it came from and i'm going to use it mindfully because i i

01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:40,000
 have it what am i gonna like it almost it almost feels like throwing it away now that i know is it's also worse yeah yeah um and so i try to find ways of like okay like i am mindfully using this and honoring the practice from which it came from and at the same time you know the people who are not allowed to use it

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 Right. I burned it all in a giant bonfire. Oh, I love that. While like apologizing. I love that. Maybe that's what I need to do with mine. Yeah. And it felt good. Like while I was doing it, I was like, this feels right. Yeah. I like that. Just like, just give it back. Just give it back. But yeah. So people saying stuff like that are like, oh, we better do a rain dance. So we get, and I'm like, ooh.

01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:34,000
 can you not can you like can you not say that um which you know neva at some point you might want to dissect the fact that you can fucking control weather with your uh pretty intense indigenous girl girl you think i haven't been just saying uh yeah

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 I mean, I don't think I'd say I control the weather. No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't say that. You're not Storm from X-Men. But I'm not not Storm. But you're not not Storm. I'm just a baby Storm. I'm a squall.

01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:24,000
 That's a fun story that I talked about in a previous episode somewhere. Just go back to our catalog. Like listen to all of them. Just go back. Yeah. Just go listen to all of them. Download them all. They're all winners. Yeah. They are all winners. Those first couple. Yikes. All right. We were fine in our feet. We were, we were. And now we're just like on a, on a hoverboard.

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 Oh my god. I have the worst balance in the world. But yes. Should we... Did either one of us plan to pull a card? Because I'm looking at like four tarot decks. I have some decks here. Okay. I have this deck. It's called the Wolves Within. Ooh. Let's go. It does not have

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 Okay, so this is an example of, this is in a tuck box, and it does not come with a guidebook, but that's because the creator did not create a guidebook. It's all meant to be read intuitively. Yeah, also a lot of self-publishing artists just don't have the funds to do that. I can tell you the fucking guidebook is, yeah. Yeah, considering that you made one.

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 What are we gonna get? What are we gonna get? Pulling a card. All right. What do we have? Okay. I love this. Um, the title of this card is called future.

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 And there's an image of a wolf that you can sort of like see their skull and they're kind of like howling at the moon. Oh, whoa. That's awesome. They're like ombre. Yeah. But also kind of like see-through. Yeah. So it feels like, you know, that Maya Angelou quote, when you know better, you do better. You do better. Yeah. So, you know, we're just trying to...

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 Make a better future and do better. Yeah. And if like one person who is spiritual listens to this, because, you know, our viewership is crazy, you guys. And it's like, oh shit, I've been doing that thing. Maybe I should stop doing that thing. And maybe I should. Then this whole episode will have been worth it. And maybe I should try to educate my friends and other peoples about this thing. Correct. Yeah.

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 Niva. Maria. What's bringing you joy this week? I feel like it's more important than ever to focus. Oh, boy, is it? So, first of all, this is bringing me an immense amount of joy. I texted Maria a couple weeks ago and said, I miss your face. And a week later, she's like, how's February 1st sound? I'm like, love it. Perfect. I feel great about that.

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 But also, when we get off of here, I'm going to eat some lunch, and I'm going to go to town, and I have an art hang with the other art gallery members. And I'm quite excited for that. That's awesome. That sounds great. So, Maria, what's bringing you joy this week?

01:07:40,000 --> 01:08:01,000
 Ooh, what is bringing me joy this week? Well, this, for sure. Ooh, boy. Oh, my God. Is it bad that, like, it's been a couple rough weeks? Oh, I know what's bringing me joy. Friday was, like, the national shutdown. Mm-hmm.

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 Okay. And which I could not participate because I work at a school. Yeah. So I was like, but I felt bad that I could not participate. So instead, in my graphics classes, I showed the movie A Bug's Life, which, if you don't know, is about a bunch of ants revolting against their grasshopper overlords. Yes. This is the way. And, oh wait, I made my students fill out

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 analysis sheets about the movie because it's design and we do design stuff and then we're moving into podcasts so their first podcasts next week will be a movie critique of how this movie relates to their current lives and i was like i think i'm doing it i think you're doing it i'm also i also think i'm republicans every worst nightmare when it comes to educators

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 It's like, oh, you didn't think we're raising a group of rebels? Because I am. I'm raising them to think for themselves. I love that. Your kid's going to come home and ask, why? And you better be prepared to answer. Because I teach them how to ask why. That's also a key ingredient in shadow work. Yes. 100%. Which, you know, go back and listen to her episode on shadow work.

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 We did do a whole episode on shadow work. So anyway, that's bringing me immense joy. Yeah. So I feel like I made a little bit of a difference maybe. Yeah. I love that. All right. Well.

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 we are back bitches and witches and we are back um this is fun and we will definitely do it again soon so yes um download share oh yes like tell your dog to listen

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 Tell your dog to listen. Just leave it on. Just leave it on in the house. Just put a playlist on of all of our episodes. I guarantee you they'll love it. My dog loves it. You will have an anarchist dog in no time. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Who will be attuned to random people's voices. But yeah. So thank y'all for listening. And see you next time. Bye friends. See you next time. Bye friends.

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 Thank you.