Nightmares & Nonsense: How to befriend your sleep paralysis demon

Grab your nightlight and a shot of espresso, because this week, Jacklynn and Stevie are diving headfirst into the fever dream that is the human subconscious.

Why do we dream about our teeth falling out while giving a presentation to a giant hamster? We’re breaking down the science of scares, from why stress makes your brain throw a horror movie marathon to the "Threat Simulation Theory" (which is basically just your brain being a paranoid overachiever).

We’re getting personal with our own middle-of-the-night meltdowns, exploring why Irish folklore thinks a demonic "Old Hag" is sitting on your chest, and dissecting the "Liminal Space" of dreams, those creepy, empty hallways where the vibes are always rancid. Whether it’s childhood monsters under the bed or the adult horror of "I forgot I had a final exam for a class I haven't attended in ten years," we’re decoding the symbols and surviving the night.

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Transcript

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It's usually a sign of guess what? An unresolved psychological loop.

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Shocker.

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So with regards to the teeth dream, which I just talked about this with, I don't know who it was, somebody.

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Um you're a therapist?

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No.

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You guessed it. Whimsica.

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Hi, my name is Jaclyn.

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And I'm Stevie.

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And today we're discussing nightmares and dreams.

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Da. Nightmares and dreams. Nightmares. Hauntingly sexy. Hauntingly sexy.

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I have my super cute but Freddy Kruger.

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Inspired.

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Inspired sweater.

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Absolutely.

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And my talons.

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I love it.

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And Stevie, you have to.

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I've got Freddy Kruger.

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The one I'm sweating. The only Freddy Kruger.

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Freddy.

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The dreamer.

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The dreamer.

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Um, Real Talk. Yeah. That those movies scared the shit out of me.

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Did you ever watch the second one, though? I've seen them all. I think it's the second one, but it's like gay coded to the max.

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Oh.

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Also, apparently it ruined that guy's career.

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Really?

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Yeah. Because it was so gay and he didn't think it was supposed to be so gay.

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Well, I loved it.

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Yeah. Oh, it was great.

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It was great. It was great. But yeah, like the bloodiest scene when a young Johnny Depp gets absolutely decimated in the first one.

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Yes.

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Holy moly.

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It's so good. So all of those kinds of movies.

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All of them. So so good. Um, yeah, nightmares. Dreams.

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Nightmares.

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Oh my gosh, I forgot something in my bag. Should I like very, very unprofessionally run and go grab it? Absolutely. Okay. My dreamer's dictionary book. Ooh. Yeah, I got this what it's very well loved. I got this, like, oh man, grade grade eight or grade nine.

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Okay.

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And people would literally ask me to bring it to school.

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I love that.

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And we would sit in a circle and decode their dreams.

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Instead of tarot cards, you would like dream interpret.

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So I figure we'll do that afterwards.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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Um, wait, are you expecting me to have a dream to remember for you to interpret?

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We'll just, we'll just like do this. Like to those of you who have ever dreamt about diamonds. Oh, I like that. Right? We'll do that. Okay. Do that instead. Um, Steven, why don't you tell us a little bit about some common causes and triggers?

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Absolutely. Um, so we've got, I mean, this is a big one. Stress and anxiety. Sure. Uh, daily stress, such as home or work problems, or major life changes, is a primary trigger, which I I would agree with that. Fair enough. I would definitely agree with that. Um, trauma, post-traumatic stress disorder is strongly linked to frequent nightmares as seen in accident victims or abuse survivors. Uh, we've got sleep deprivation or irregularity, which has been me lately. I've been having major insomnia lately. Um, lack of sleep or erratic schedules can trigger nightmares. Have you been having nightmares? Uh maybe. You just don't get there. We're gonna get there.

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We're gonna talk about personal stuff. Okay.

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Um, medications and substances. Sure. Certain medications, withdrawal, or even heavy meals, uh, they increase the brain activity and can cause nightmares. Cheese. Cheese. I have heard, yeah. I've heard if you eat cheese before, maybe I need to do that.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

Well, did you know that also cheese has um is it the it's like the same basic chemical ingredient ingredients as like drugs? Yes. Hard drugs.

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Um it's not tryptophan, is it?

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Oh, maybe. I once again, I know everything about drugs, so make sure you ask me. I have no idea.

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It's something because I just read this.

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Really? Yeah, it's because and that's why cheese is so addicting to everyone.

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I can see that.

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I don't know a single person who doesn't like cheese.

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Yeah. Well, I do, Aaron. Oh, our friend Aaron. I don't know. Now hold on.

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Is it he doesn't like it or he can't eat it?

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No, he doesn't like it. Like he physically will gag with cheese. Cancel the cheese. However, hell eating pizza. Which is covered in cheese, yeah.

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Cancel the trip.

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Is it funny? He uh I'm outing you, Aaron, sorry. Uh-uh, he l uh what the Italian dessert. Is it cantalone or not? It's the the pastry tube filled with like ricotta cheese. Ricotta cheese and stuff.

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Cantalone?

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I'm blanking. There's two that sound similar. Right. Um, but it that was that. I think it was this dessert, but he said he loved it. And then as soon as he found out it was cheese inside, he couldn't eat it anymore.

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No.

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So we ruined it for him. Sorry, Aaron.

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That sucks. Well, um sorry, Aaron.

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Sorry, Aaron. Uh also a medication that uh makes me dream like the weirdest fucking dreams, melatonin. Oh, and yet that's supposed to put you to sleep. I know. But when I it which it does, but that is when I have my weirdest dreams.

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That's so bizarre. Also, cannoli. Cannoli is what you're looking for.

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Like a pasta or something in it. Right. Yeah. Cannoli. Cannoli. Sorry, just came to you. No, I love that. Uh but yeah, melatonin really can't be. That is bizarre. I mean, I guess it makes sense if there are you know medicinal ingredients in it that's maybe it's it's forcing me into more of a REM sleep than I'm used to.

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Sure. And that you're maybe it like forcing it and your body's not going through their natural kind of process.

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Yeah.

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Huh.

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Um and then the last one we have is mental health issues. Sure. Of course. Depression or anxiety disorder.

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Yeah, no, it makes sense. Um, did you know that there's something actually called nightmare disorder?

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I didn't.

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Let's go through some symptoms of nightmare disorder.

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Let's do it.

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So vivid dreams with themes of danger, loss of control, or fear.

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Oh, okay.

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Sudden waking with feelings of fear, anxiety, anger, or sadness.

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Okay.

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Clear recall of dream content, difficulty falling back asleep, or daytime impairment due to the dreams.

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Oh.

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That one blew me away.

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That one's crazy.

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Um Wow. If you're experiencing that, that's now vivid dreams with themes of danger, check. That's happened to me before for for sure. Sudden waking, check.

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Yeah.

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But I can always fall back asleep, but I I always remember my dreams. Do you? It is pretty rare for me to forget them.

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Yeah. I mean, because you just got it all. I see. When it comes to like psychic abilities, paranormal shit, seeing ghosts, community with ghosts, remembering your dreams, going to Mallworld. God damn it.

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But I don't go to the Victorian, I don't go to the hotel.

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Yeah, but I don't. I just want to.

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Yeah, yeah. Fair, fair, fair. That was I can't wait to watch this back and watch your face. I was like, you've got it all. That was the most like genuine. First of all, thank you. And no, that is incorrect. Um the fact that I'm wearing a belly top right now should show that I don't have it all.

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I wish I had the confidence to wear a belly top right now.

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I don't. It's called stupidity. Foolishness, blatant disregard for everybody's eyeballs right now. You love it. It's I'll it's something. Um all right, so let's get a little bit behind the science behind things.

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From the scientists.

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We love a good scientist. We love a good scientist. Especially those scientists.

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It's true.

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Right?

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Nerds. Love those scientists.

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Uh nightmares generally happen. You mentioned this, Steven, during REM, which of course stands for rapid eye movement sleep, usually in the second half of the night. So when you're awake, for most people, not us, your brain is a democracy, right? Not us. Not us. But when you're having a nightmare, it's a dictatorship run by the amygdala. Amygdala. Stephen had to teach me how to say that. I did. So the amygdala is a tiny almond-shaped cluster in your brain responsible for processing fear.

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There you go.

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During a nightmare, it's hyperactive.

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Okay.

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Meanwhile, the prefrontal cortex, which is the logic center in your brain, is basically just not around. It's also asleep. Yeah. It's not functioning. So that's why you can do things like fly or turn into bears or whatever, because your logic gate is closed.

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Okay.

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Right? So your brain's like, this is normal. I'm processing things. Turn off the logic center so you can just filter through everything you need to filter without it being like, I need to stop and think about this logically. Yeah. You can do all the things as you're sleeping without you being like, this uh how am I walking on water?

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This doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah.

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Right? Huh. Um the paralysis switch is when your brain releases glycine and G ABA. Oh. I don't know if it's GABA. GABA GABA Hey, GABA, hey. Any Ramones fans? No. Okay. Stephen, you know who the Ramones are?

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Let's go. I've heard of them.

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Okay.

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Don't know them very well.

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So this paralyzes your muscles so you don't actually act at your dreams. This one I knew. That's what I knew. So, like when this system fails, you get REM sleep behavior disorder, which is like thrashing or kicking or walking around. Like um sleepwalking, right?

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Oh, okay.

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When it works too well, you get sleep paralysis.

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Oh freaky.

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Freaky. Sleep paralysis, we do not like.

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We do not like that's when you start seeing brokenneck ladies.

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Oh, God.

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But do you move? Do you move a lot when you sleep?

SPEAKER_03 10:22

Oh, I am a crazy fidgeter.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Yeah, me too. Yeah. Me too. And like in my dreams, I don't I don't want to say I act them out, um, but I definitely move a lot, like a lot, a lot. And I wake myself up from some of them.

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Okay. Yeah.

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And I talk a lot in my sleep.

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I've been known to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dan has a few uh good gems of what I've said.

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I think we've talked about some of this before.

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Um also I'm wondering now, uh, because I fidget and move around like crazy trying to get to sleep. But when I wake up in the mornings, I am so stiff and like sore. So I'm wondering if maybe I'm not moving once I'm falling asleep.

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Maybe. Maybe you are just a stone.

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Yeah. I don't know.

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Interesting.

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Uh so here's a little about the threat simulation theory. Okay. Here we go. Uh so some evolutionary psychologists believe nightmares are actually a training simulator. Cool. Very cool. Uh, your brain is practicing how to escape predators so that if a saber-toothed tiger shows up in real life, you're ready.

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Ready to go to take the saber-toothed tiger to want. Because our maybe our brains are still like, oh, you're still cavemen? Like you still need to be running and be ready to fight or flight sort of scenario and tackle things. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, right. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

Uh, so the brain sti uh simulates high stress scenarios, falling, being hunted, social humiliation.

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All three things happen to me a lot.

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Oh I hate it. Uh, it basically does this to rehearse your survival instincts.

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Okay, that makes sense. Interesting.

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Uh, so people who have nightmares about a specific stressor, like an exam, often perform better on that task in real life because their brain practiced the anxiety. Interesting. Uh so hold on though. Uh, because I'm I'm practicing and thinking about everything that can go wrong all the time. Sure. That's just but is it because I'm not dreaming about it that it's not working? Maybe.

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Start dreaming about it, CNN.

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Oh, man.

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Well, but what about like I have dreams of um I should okay, hold on, let's be specific. I have nightmares about like being torn apart by wolves. So, although I guess that could potentially happen.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

I mean, so maybe that's me training. Is this a common one? We're gonna look that up in your code.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

It's not a it's not common at all. It happened like one time. My common nightmares, let's get into that. I had these questions at the end of it, but like I don't I don't have a recurring nightmare. I have recurring dreams.

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Okay.

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I do not have recurring nightmares, and it's pretty rare for me to have a nightmare. My nightmares are typically surrounded about like the people I love no longer being in my life. Oh, which is like pretty bang on the nose for psychology. You know what I mean? Um, yeah, it's typically like people dying or wanting to, you know, not be a part of my life.

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That's typically I mean, that's some shit.

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Or um, I often have to say, like my nightmares are like I have to save people, and then I can't save them. Interesting. It's really honestly, the the Freudians are like, that girl's mess, go to therapy immediately. I'm I'm here to tell you already. Yeah. There you go. But that's that's often what my nightmares are like.

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Okay.

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What are yours?

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Mine. See, it's so bad because I have a really hard time. That's okay.

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That's all right.

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But I I would there had definitely has been some like social humiliation stuff in there for sure.

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Being naked in school.

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Being done if I ever had that one.

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Oh, that one's happened to me. It's terrible.

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I get the I get the falling a lot.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then like waking up like as you hit the ground.

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There's a term for that, and I don't remember what it is. I don't think it's in here.

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Um also I do get just like weird ones. Weird, creepy, maybe not necessarily like gross horror or anything like that, but it's just like things that dreams that make you feel kind of like uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Got it. And would you and you would classify that as a nightmare though, as opposed to a dream?

SPEAKER_03 14:44

No, I guess maybe I'd have it more as dreams. Okay.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

I was like, what what would be is a nightmare just like something that terrifies you?

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Well, interesting that you asked that.

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There you go. God, I did it again.

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I mean, this is only a little tidbit.

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That's fair.

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We'll we'll we'll dive into your question in a second.

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Okay, I love it. Uh, so yes. So we have nightmares. So you remember the story, you wake up alert.

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Yes.

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Then you have night terrors.

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Okay.

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So you scream, you thrash, and you have no memory of the plot because they happen during your deep non-RAM sleep.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

So maybe you're also having nightmares. Maybe I'm having nightmares. Right?

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Yeah.

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Because to me, a nightmare is I don't like what's happening. I mean, I also remember them though, right? So I'll speak on like my personal. I don't like what's happening. I'm either scared or crying. Like I've woken up crying before. Really? From yeah, nightmares. I'm scared, I'm crying, I'm running from something, I'm running to something. Like I say, trying to save something. Yeah. Like something is going wrong. That to me is a nightmare.

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Fair. Yeah, yeah.

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Um, a dream is just like could be wonderful, could be pleasant, could be really fucking random, which I I got.

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I got random ones. Oh, you that you remember that you you will talk about it.

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It's so bizarre. Yeah, I'll save it for the end.

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Okay.

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It is the to this day. Like, trust me, I've had weird, weird, weird dreams, but this one has stuck with me for years, and it is just bizarre.

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I love it. So we'll get there. We'll get there. So okay, so let's get into some folklore.

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Okay.

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So we've got the original mare, right? We're gonna keep things Irish again. We're gonna stick with the Irish theme. Yeah. Uh so the word nightmare actually has nothing to do with a female horse. Which is known as a mare. A mare. In old English and old Irish traditions, uh Mara or Mere Mara was a goblin or demon that sat on a person's chest while they slept to ride them.

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Is that not sorry. I got so excited to hit them. Is that not sleep paralysis demon?

SPEAKER_03 16:57

Sleep paralysis paral paralysis demon, yeah. I also should have, I also should have read a uh this was the ancient explanation of sleep paralysis.

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Hello.

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You wake up, you can't move, and you feel a crushing weight on your chest. Um the Irish solution to this, in Irish tradition, putting a black-handled knife or a piece of iron under your pillow was the firewall to keep the Mara from sitting on you.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Well, there you go. So, anyone, any of our listeners who are having sleep paralysis, get that piece of iron, put it under your pillow.

SPEAKER_03 17:32

Absolutely.

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Wild. Um, okay, let's move to Newfoundland, which of course has deep Irish roots. So keeping in theme with the Irish um month. Um, let's talk about the hag phenomenon. So um in Newfoundland and parts of rural Ireland, sleep paralysis is specifically called the old hag. The old hag is visiting. The old hag. People describe seeing a shadowy, withered woman standing in the corner of the room or slowly crawling onto the bed. Absolutely.

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Nightmare fuel right there.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Now we're going to be speaking. Now we are gonna have nightmares. This is the last one of the night. It's almost midnight. It's high. And we're gonna god damn it. Also, can I just say that whenever, and I mean whenever I sleep over at your home, which is delightful and wonderful. No, no, no, no. Oh Osiris in the middle of the night sounds like a small child asking for help.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

So to be honest, I think it's actually Keely. I always thought it was Osiris, but Keely has become the most vocal she's ever been.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

These kitties, whoever it is, whoever it is, it is terrifying. I'm gonna emulate it now for the sleep. And I'm the kind of person where I'm very aware of me not being in my bed. Here it's like my second home, so I'm used to it. Yeah, but like if I'm quasi-alert or there's a light or something, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

Oh, I'm very the same though, right? Yeah.

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So like literally, and this is from a distance. I'm gonna back up a little, but it's like and you're like, There's a fucking child.

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Yeah.

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There is a child wandering in these home. Like Kyle, the f the first few times he slept over in this house and that happened, he was like, What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Well, because we'll also, um, if other dogs are over or we have a lot of people over, um, we will keep them in the basement. Sure. So we'll shut the door, keep them in the basement.

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And which is vast and their food is down here and everything. Okay, yes. I have a set of it's a it's a kitty's heaven, yes.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

Um but the um what do you call it? The vents lead up to all the rooms upstairs, which you can hear them perfectly. Oh man. But they'll also sit at the door and yowl and just like it's it is if you if I always forget to warn people.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

And if you don't know what's going on, it does sound so scary.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

It is unnerving. Yeah. It's literally like talk about nightmare fuel. Like it just sounds like ghostly children wailing for help.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

It really does. It's terrible. And most people will hear it because they're over for like a party or something. Oh, totally. And they don't actually know we have cats.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Yeah. It's terrifying. Yeah. It's terrifying.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

So funny. I do it on purpose. Of course you do.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Um, okay, so back to the woman standing in the corner of the room or slowly crawling onto the bed.

SPEAKER_04 20:37

Yes.

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This is likely where the image of the hag or the witch comes from. Our brains trying to personify the physical sensation of the chest pressure during a sleep glitch. So it's like something is doing this to me, and then you manifest seeing like a thing doing it to you.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Yeah. No. It's creepy, man.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Don't like it.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

Um, so in Irish dreams and the other world, ancient Celts didn't view nightmares as just dreams. Okay. They believed that during sleep, the soul could actually travel to the Anwin or the other world. Which makes sense. There you go. Uh astral production. Yeah, sure. Um, the danger of this. So if you had a nightmare, it meant your soul had wandered into a bad neighborhood in the fairy realm.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Oh, fairies. Fairies. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

Uh, the druid fix to this. Okay. Druids would often interpret dreams to see if a person was being hunted by a spirit, like the puka that we talked about earlier.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Um, so then we have the dream lag effect. Have you ever had a nightmare about something that happened a week ago?

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Yeah, I guess so. If I've really hung on to it, sure, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

Um, research shows that memories often take five to seven days to be fully. Processed into long-term storage.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

Yeah. This is called dream leg. Your nightmare isn't necessarily about today's stress, it's your brain finally getting around to filing away the trauma from last Tuesday. Damn. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Last Tuesday was a doozy. It was a doozy. That's interesting. Yeah. See, the brain is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

The brain is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Um, recurring nightmares, the stuck record.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

If you have the same nightmare over and over and over again, like teeth falling out, which is one for me.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Um, or the unprepared for the test or the naked in the school, yeah, it's usually a sign of guess what? An unresolved psychological loop.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Shocker.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

So, with regards to the teeth dream, which I just talked about this with I don't know who it was, somebody.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Um you a therapist?

SPEAKER_01 22:53

No, it should be. So if you dream of losing your teeth, it's often linked to a feeling of loss of control or fear of being judged for one's appearance or communication.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Um, and that happens to me. I now I will also tell you this. I have had every dental thing done to my teeth. And so I'm always concerned about like I have a fake tooth.

SPEAKER_04 23:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

And I wake up thinking, is today the day it falls out? Because that happened for the first time on the first day of grade seven. First, your tooth fell out? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

The fake one had fallen out.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

It sucks.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Um, so like, is it that? Is it that I'm really concerned about my teeth, or is it I messed up? Probably both.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

Yeah, I mean, yeah. Um I'm surprised I haven't had any tooth uh teeth falling out dreams, especially with like the invisible.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

Because my teeth are always like super sore now.

unknown 23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

That would be on my mind a lot.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Um okay, the falling dream.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Yes. Okay. I do have this one way more often than the teeth.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Okay. So usually this happens during the nope, hypnagogic, hypnagogic state where you're falling asleep, basically falling asleep. When your nervous system misinterprets your muscles relaxing as you actually falling through space.

SPEAKER_04 24:09

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

That's crazy. I think everyone has experienced that where it's like this jolt of like, oh my God, I'm falling.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

It's funny because that's actually this h hypnog hypnagogic state, um, is actually when I experience most of my like when I do my like sleep talking or like I I will see things sometimes. Um and that's that weird, that liminal that we talked about earlier, uh, is usually when I have my weirdest stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Wild.

SPEAKER_03 24:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

That's wild.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

Like I've seen like men crouching in our bathroom store. I've and I've like physically got up and screamed at it and tried to like uh and I've scared the shit out of Dan about this. Yeah, yeah. I've seen trees reading scrolls, a family of ducks walking across the floor.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

You've seen some shit.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

You're ghosts in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

There's you are seeing some things, my friend.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

So it's weird. I'm not like dreaming, but it's when I'm like half in, half out of sleep. Sure, sure, sure. Which I wonder what that means. Huh.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

Well, let's choose it. Okay, wait, ducks?

SPEAKER_03 25:19

Uh ducks, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Okay, it looks like a ducks. And then we'll do like a random, a random look. Okay. Oh, duck. Here it is.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Even though you're not really dreaming, but you're kind of dreaming. Oh, yeah, I forgot. Something means something. There's like the V and then the D. What does the V and the D mean? I don't remember. There's like a I could tell, yeah. Oh my god. How did I literally just fall into that? Okay. Um, I don't remember. I don't remember. I should have looked this up. I oh, here we go. V is vision and D is depth psychology and S is symbol. Okay. Okay, vision. Seeing a duck swimming in the water might mean unfavorable mu news. Um if you're trying to are you trying to catch the duck?

SPEAKER_03 26:06

I kind of. I mean, it was a family of ducks walking by on our floor in our bedroom. So I what I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Interesting. Doesn't really say that. It just says that if you see it, like there's different ways. This is very in-depth. Okay, catching a duck, your plans will finally succeed. Seeing roast duck, your monthly allowance is being reduced. Bad news for you, Steven. Okay, so let's do this. Tell me, you tell me when to stop. Ready?

SPEAKER_03 26:33

Stop duck.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Wait, tell me to stop. Paralysis.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Watching a paralyzed person in your dream means difficult times ahead. Your projects are being delayed. If you are the one who's paralyzed in your dream, your plans are or are going to be interfered with. Okay. Be patient and be careful. Um, a dream about paralysis indicates that you are wrestling with problems or conflicts of your own making. Sometimes you're paralyzed by a hidden unconscious fear over which you have no control. Are you sometimes paralyzed in your reactions? What is it that paralyzes you? Try to overcome the paralysis as soon as possible. Interesting. Isn't that neat?

SPEAKER_04 27:20

That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

Yeah. Um here, you do one. I'll tell you to stop. I'll tell you when to stop. Okay. Okay, ready? Stop.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Okay. Stop. Dog. Dog. Okay. Okay. Seeing a dog in a dream, you will soon gain a new and faithful friend. Seeing a black dog, a friend is turning out to be dishonest.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Oh. That sucks.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Red dog, you can't rely on your friends. What?

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Man, this is taking a turn.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Right? If see fox? Oh, if you see the red dog, then you see foxes.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

Hearing dogs bark, you may quarrel with your neighbors or they may be bad mouthing you.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Yeah. Being bitten by a dog is a sign of a bad conscience.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Huh. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

Uh dogs fighting over a bone means a family fight about an inheritance.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Oh, that will literally never happen because my family does not have any inheritance.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Ah, ditto. Being attacked by a dog, be careful. You are acting more from instinct than logic. See poodle.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

I see if it says that. That is so funny.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

Uh, the dog is a symbol of animal appetites and instincts. Being led by a dog means you are aware of your inner strength and live in harmony with it. The dog in the dream will obey if we live in peace with our instincts.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Isn't that nice? That's cute. So, like, feel free to write in, party people, if you want me to decode your dream.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

Yes. Um I love that.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Which as you can tell, many asked me to do. Yeah. Um, so okay, do you want to hear this? This is so bizarre. I'm excited. Um, okay. It was years ago. Like I'm talking high school. Okay. This is how long I've remembered this dream. So myself and my previous good friend, we were walking along a beach. However, the beach sand was like a pale pink.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Which was very pretty. Have I told you? I'm sure I've told you.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Yes, this is I am recalling.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Yeah. So party people strapping.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

It's good. It's weird. This is so weird. It's weird.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

I I must have eaten cheese before I had this cheese and melatonin. Yeah. So we're walking along this beach and it's like pale pink sand. Pardon me. And as we're walking, um, we are looking out on the horizon. Yep. And the ocean is this like purple glass water.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

It sounds like a beautiful place.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

It's uh it was beautiful. But farther out on the horizon, on the purple glass ocean, was um the history of time. It was the history of time. Wow. Playing like a reel. And it started with literally dinosaurs, and then it was like it fast-forwarded to cavemen, and then it fast-forwarded to like wagons and the wild, wild west. And it's pretty deep. It was wild, and so we just I remember saying to my friend in the dream, like, are you seeing this? And she's like, Yeah, like, do you think we should watch till we're caught up? And I was like, Do you think we can watch until like literally this moment? So we just stood there and we watched time just fly through. I did not, we did not wait. I my dream self did not wait. Was not patient. Yeah, was not patient. Shocker, neither am I. Um, so we got up to, I think it was like the 1800s. Okay. And we kept walking. But like every time I look, there was like a new piece of time on the horizon. Crazy. So as we were walking, we get we get to this like family reunion.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Whose family?

SPEAKER_01 31:20

None of ours.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

Oh, just a random family.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Their nationality was Mexican.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

And they were just having this incredible barbecue. I love it. And this huge reunion, and we just like walked across this whole scene of them having this wonderful time. And they asked us if we wanted to join, and we were like delighted, and we were like learning all the names of the people. And then all of a sudden, I all of a sudden, this rainbow appears.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

I realize how this sounds. It's just wild dream. It's a wild dream. This rainbow appears, and I was like, I have to walk through this rainbow.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

And everyone's like, I don't think you should do it. Don't do it. Don't walk through the rainbow. I'm like, I have to. Something was telling you you have to I have to walk through the rainbow. So I walked through the rainbow. And it was this like, speaking of liminal spaces, it was this giant big prism room.

SPEAKER_04 32:20

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Just full of prisms and other rainbows and just like wild. And then I was in the time loop.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:35

That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yeah. I don't know what, like, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_03 32:39

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 32:40

What the hell does that mean?

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Had you been experiencing weird things before this?

SPEAKER_01 32:45

I have no idea. Yeah. I was in high school, so yeah, I guess. But like just bizarre. Anyway, sorry to bore you.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

No, that's like so cool.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Really, really random. Really weird and random. Yeah, yeah. I wonder, okay, let's see if walking through rainbows is a thing. Okay, rainbow. Did I not just almost open immediately to it? That's crazy. Perfect. Okay. Um, the colorful, the colorful, geez, the colorful are of a rainbow. This is why why does it say this? The it literally says the colorful arc, not our. The colorful arc of a rainbow symbolizes the bridge between heaven and earth.

SPEAKER_04 33:25

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Seeing a rainbow, a warning that your good fortune could be an illusion. In spiritual terms, however, the rainbow is positive. You're at peace with God and the world. It is often a sign that important reconciliation will be possible. The rainbow is a symbol of inner peace and harmony of body, soul, and spirit.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

I wish I could remember what was going on in that time of my life. Yeah. But like wild, right? Do you got a while? Like, do you have a weird one like that where it just does not make any sense at all?

SPEAKER_03 33:52

No.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Like, and also, why is it stuck with me my whole life?

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Yeah. That's cool. Because it was just, did you just have it the one time?

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yeah. Just the one time. My recur do you have recurring dreams?

SPEAKER_03 34:05

I mean, I could. Yeah. I don't like I don't know what's wrong with me. Like, I cannot remember my dreams. Like, I will remember them. This is why I really need to start a dream journal. Yeah, I just. Because I I will remember them right like for a good what, five, ten minutes, and then like they're gone. Yeah. And I cannot recall. You should do it and just like write it down and see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Do you dream in color?

SPEAKER_03 34:27

I do.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

Me too.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

Me too.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Um I wonder like if there's way, I'm sure there's ways I can start like practicing dreaming.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Maybe. But like you also have no control in your dreams. It's like when you make out with someone in your dream, you're like, well, but apparently they're like lucid dreaming, right? Lucid dreaming is a thing. There are actually, I've I have had dreams where I know I'm dreaming. Yeah. And I will choose not, for example, I had met Tom Delong in my dream. Of course you did. Here, here it comes. Here it comes. And I, in my dream, he was asking me to marry him. Shocker of all thoughts. And he was like begging me, like, please, please, like, leave your life. Come, come live with me in San Diego. Wow. You can have everything you want and more. Plus, it's Tom DeLong. I mean. He was like begging, begging me. Okay. And Dream Jacqueline, stupid idiot, was like, no, I'm taken. So I was like, no, I know that I have.

SPEAKER_02 35:38

So Dream Jacqueline loves Kyle.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

I do. I mean, Dream Jacqueline loves Kyle. Real awake Jacqueline loves Kyle. But let me tell you something. I would be really conflicted if Tom DeLong was like begging me. Whereas Dream Girl was like, absolutely not, get out of my face. Excuse you?

SPEAKER_03 35:56

Which technically would be your subconscious, right? So I'm saying down, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

Deep down. Clearly, there would never be any Kyle. You don't have anything to fear.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Look at that.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

And yet I'm like, I wouldn't know.

unknown 36:09

What?

SPEAKER_01 36:10

What?

unknown 36:11

What?

SPEAKER_01 36:13

I'm telling you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there you go. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:19

I do have, not to make it too long. We can just like just scratch the surface. But I do have a question. Okay. Um do you want to explain just slightly what the mall world liminal space kind of because you it's generally something you do go to when you're dreaming.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

Yeah. And like uh it's okay. So I'll explain.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Well, I promise we are gonna do a full episode on this because I find these places fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:49

And it is a phenomenon that like many people experience.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

Yeah. So mall worlds or like other liminal spaces, which we learned earlier, like the path of something, the the cusp of something, you're in the in-between. The in between the in-between world. Um I uh okay, it's it's usually uh it's usually people who have some sort of sensitivity or psychic ability. I do not have full-blown psychic ability, but I'm sensitive. I'm a sensitive person to certain things. And uh while I have never dreamt of the very well-known like Victorian hotel or this like um in-between world of the hotel, I do I have experienced mall world.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

You have? Yeah, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

So mall world is exactly how it sounds.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Um, but for me, in my dream, the mall is never-ending.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

It is vast.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

And when you walk into different doors, different dreams are happening in there.

SPEAKER_03 37:53

Oh. Yeah. So yours or just random me. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Me. So when I experien like, okay. Step one, I fall asleep. Step two, I'm in mall world. And then I, dream Jacqueline, know I'm dreaming.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

I am aware.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

It's a lucid dream.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

It's a lucid dream. I know I'm in Maul World.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

And I walk through the door, and then a dream happens where I'm now not understanding I'm dreaming. It's just I'm in it. I'm in that scene. I'm dreaming, whatever. And then everything changes and shifts, and I'm back in the mall world.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

Do you ever meet others at Maul World?

SPEAKER_01 38:30

I s so I dream a lot about people who I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

You were saying this.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Yeah. I I'll when I'm describing a dream, I'll say, and you know, my brother was my brother, but it wasn't my brother. It was this person I've never seen before, but I knew he was my brother. And it's like completely random people who I've never seen or experienced ever.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

Because in dreams, uh your mind, so any random face normally is your your brain can't make up random faces. Right. So normally the faces you see in dreams are people you've like uh passed on the street or you've uh they were your barista or something like that. Yeah. Uh your brain will recreate those faces. But generally the rule is if you're seeing a random face that you have never in your life seen before, which is like hard to know if you've never seen it. But generally those faces are like spirits or the kind of unknown, paranormally Yeah, the people also who um have the ability to also visit Mallworld.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

Yes. Or other psychics in the world who are like they're real people dreaming in the same space as me, which is sounds insane.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

Insane, but so cool. Yeah. And it this is where it gets a little woo-woo. But I I know of one person that I've been following on socials, and she will do actual like meetups in these liminal stuff. She has that control, she has that much control.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

And she'll she'll be able to like get groups of people together. That's wild. I do not have control. So crazy.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

I don't have control as to any anything. Any like when there's doors, I don't shoot, it just happens.

SPEAKER_03 40:19

I think it's just so fascinating that all across the world, people are dreaming of the exact same place.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Yeah, no, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

Like they are explaining it as if they've all been to the exact same place.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

That's amazing. Fascinating. It is fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

There's the human brain is uh so cool.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

Yeah. Some sort of phenomenon here that really needs to be explored.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

So we will go deeper in that because I want to learn more about that.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

And I'm gonna bring you guys along.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

So cool. Um, yeah, I just yeah, I have I also um without going into too much detail just for certain people's feelings, whatever. Um, I get visited by a lot of people who have passed.

SPEAKER_03 41:05

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:07

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Like I have no business. From your life or my friends, people.

SPEAKER_03 41:13

Really?

SPEAKER_01 41:13

Like my friends' relatives.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

Like I have no business being the one being visited. Wow. But they'll like tell me something or be like, make sure you tell and you'll remember them. Right. And usually I'll pick up the phone and be like, just so you know, I dreamt about insert person here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

You've got it all.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

I do. I don't ask for and like I also, man, I am really unraveling a lot about what's going on in my head. But I also get visited by people who are close to me, and we both know in my dream that they're not supposed to be there. Like they've passed.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

Really?

SPEAKER_01 41:49

I'm I'm aware that they're gone. They know they're they're aware. And they come and we talk, and usually that's the first thing where I'll be like, oh my gosh, what are you doing here?

SPEAKER_03 41:59

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

And they're like, Yeah, you know, blah, blah, blah. My dog, my past dogs have visited me. It's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

It's so fucking cool. Yeah, yeah. Like, I want that. It's always cool. But you're you're saying, like, the way you're talking about it, you're like, I kind of wish I didn't have it. Like, I'm not asking for this. And I feel like that's always the people who it ends up with. Yeah. And then I'm so fascinated by it. And I'm like, I want it, I want experiences, and I got nothing. I got nothing.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

You see ducks? I see duck people crouching. No, it is cool. It's cool. And like, is is is there more to it? Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

Um but also I I feel like certain people are kind of like born with this or they're more sensitive to it. Yeah. But there are ways to kind of attune, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Yeah, explore and like hone in on the skill. I think I have not done that.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

No, I'm just too lazy.

SPEAKER_01 42:52

Fair. Fair. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_03 42:56

And it's a lot of like meditation. Yeah. Getting getting deep into yourself.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

Yeah. Um, but yeah, thankfully, I don't really have like a lot of nightmares per se.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

Um, because yeah, but the what the ones I do are not, yeah. No, I don't like it. I don't like it. Yeah. I don't like it.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

But yeah, I really I I keep telling myself I have to, but I really should start a dream journal so I can write it down right away.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

And then tell me what it is so you can decode it. Yeah. So um I had this question to ask you. So like to lighten things back up a little. Um it's essentially like adult nightmares versus kid nightmares. So, like, for example, when I was a kid, you know, I would have a dream about um there's a person on the street that I grew up on. There's all the you remember, there's always like the rumors of like, oh, that's like oh yeah, so and so. So we had literally in real life, this house that my parents were always like, don't walk by there. Oh, okay. So anyway, um, I had this nightmare where that person who lived Was like after all of us kids, and he was like snatching all of all of us up and putting us in this giant cave. It was a nightmare. It was not a repressed, not a suppressed memory. Anyway, so penny wise. Oh my God. Um, and then it was like, you know, just the kids had to escape and blah blah blah. Or then like maybe you're having a nightmare about like a tree trying to eat you, like something foolish. But like adult nightmares are like my taxes. You know what I mean? I know. Like, what's an adult nightmare? Like, what is your worst nightmare when it comes to being an adult? I guess is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

You know? Yeah. Like Oh, I can tell you why top of mind working in a cubicle corporate office for the rest of my life.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Fair enough. That is a nightmare. That's a nightmare. That's a that's a nightmare.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

You know why that's uh front and center? Because they're they're forcing us back to the office. Well, so I gotta send a cubicle. I look, I look around sometimes and I'm like, this is my nightmare. This is hell.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

This is hell. Yeah, totally. Um, I think mine is I'm going to be experiencing it, which I'm very mixed feelings about this. Oh. I don't know if I'm supposed to talk about it. I'm I've been called for jury duty. Jury selection. Jury selection. Did you know this? I did tell Dan.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

He's gonna be so jealous. One of Dan's life goals is to be called for jury duty.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Yeah, well, so this is just selection. So like I'm gonna I have to go and I have to sit in a room and I wait for literally eight hours, and then they're gonna ask me a series of questions to see if I am eligible or not.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

You're just gonna say you watch a lot of like murder mysteries.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

I am here to tell you I won't be eligible.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

I also work for a media company.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

So like it will be impossible for me to not already know things.

SPEAKER_02 45:51

I would hate jury duty.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

Man, that's what I'm telling you. Like, I I'm I'm very torn because do I want to know everything about it? Yes, I do. Yeah. Do I want to miss work and not have money and fall behind and miss out on my loved ones' lives? Like, you hear about these horror stories, speaking of nightmares, of like they're sequestered for weeks. They can't talk to anyone.

SPEAKER_03 46:15

No, thank you. No.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

Nightmare.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

I um when we were in the process of moving and stuff, I apparently I got summoned and it got like lost somewhere because I got randomly called. And the thank God, the lady on the other end was like, um, just wanted to let you know that for your uh jury duty summons for tomorrow, it's actually been canceled, so you don't have to worry. And I was like, uh, okay, thank you. Thanks for letting me know. I had no clue.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

They're gonna take your ass to jail. I know. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But no, there is like repercussions. It says right on there, like you must do it.

SPEAKER_03 46:56

It's our civic duty or something, right?

SPEAKER_01 46:57

Civic duty, civic responsibility. Um, so yeah, we'll see how that goes. That's like in a couple, literally a couple weeks. Good luck. Yeah, we shall see.

SPEAKER_03 47:04

Um wear something cute.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Well, okay, so no, I had this whole plan. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

Because I was like, Wear something not cute.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

Yeah, if if I this, I show up in the no, seriously, if I want to be immediately, and I mean immediately ejected from any jury pool, I will wear a crop top with underpants that are showing like in the most horrific way, and then like pants that are four sizes too small.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

And I'm not judging anyone who does that. I'm just saying they will immediately not take me seriously.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Fair. I'm sorry. Yeah, right? I love it.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

So I was like, if I just stuff myself into the smallest outfit.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

I don't think they'll take me seriously. Yeah. Or I my plan was to like dress as a clown. Literally a clown. There you go. In clown makeup, like man, they'd be like, you know what? Get out.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

I love this plan.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Like immediately get out.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

I vote for that one.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I also like the giant undie one too. Giant undies sticking out of my small pants.

SPEAKER_03 48:11

Love it.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

And I don't mean sexy undies, I mean like granny panties.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

And they're so big that you have to like drape them over your shoulders. So they're like, that it's like a crop top undie combo.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Yes. I'm not talking sexy. I mean like there's something wrong.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Like everything else is dirty and it's laundry day and it's your only pair, but a hundred times worse.

SPEAKER_01 48:32

Yes. That's my plan.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

I support it. Too much? No.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 48:35

Not enough.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Because yeah, one of my friends was like, Look super, like he said the same thing. He's like, Oh, you're gonna go in and like look. No, I don't want to be I don't want to be a trusty human in this scenario. Yeah. Because I do not have time. I don't have time. Yeah. I do not have time. Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 48:50

Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Yeah. Um, any other thoughts on nightmares? This took a turn.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

It took a turn.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

What else is new?

SPEAKER_03 48:57

I was gonna say that happens a lot. Shock.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

But yeah, I um I'm excited to dive more into Mall World. Yeah. And the antique antique.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

Uh vintage. Yeah, no, yeah. It's like Victorian, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

Victorian, okay.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

I've never experienced that. I want that one. Yeah, that'd be cool. That'd be really cool.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

Um, maybe tonight.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

Maybe tonight. Let's report back. Maybe I should like listen to some like weird, like kind of get into my head stuff.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

You'll be asking for it. Create a video. Like, hi guys. Blair Witch It.

SPEAKER_03 49:31

Ooh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

I'm so scared right now.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

That's what I'll do. I'll have a dream journal and I'll have a little like mini recorder so that if it ever happens, we'll post the tapes on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

I like that. I really like that a lot.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

Or I should have one of those um dream app recorders that just record you during the night. So if I ever talk or I say the trees are reading the scrolls or filming the.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

The trees are reading the scrolls.

SPEAKER_03 49:53

Then I can put the audio on here for you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

Yeah, I like it. I like it. Uh, well, okay. There we go. Okay. So that does it, I think, on nightmares. I think so. Let's go have some because it's bedtime. Let's do it. I'm tired. Me too. Uh, so thank you so much for listening to the Weirdos of Whimsy. We will be back again soon with another episode that guides you through the weird and whimsical journey that is our brains. Be sure to follow us on Instagram and YouTube and TikTok at Weirdos of Whimsy Pod. Watch that space for updates and release dates and other treats and delectable morsels. Say goodbye, Stevie.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

Goodbye, everybody's sweet dreams.

SPEAKER_01 50:36

And as always, big gulps, eh?

SPEAKER_03 50:40

Well, see ya later.