EP#34-How Coach Mantanona Builds Champions in the Coachella Valley

Getting choked out sounds like a bad day until you understand what it really teaches: calm under pressure, honest feedback, and the confidence that comes from doing hard things on purpose. We sit down with Anthony Mantanona, third-degree black belt and the driving force behind Coachella Valley Jiu Jitsu, to unpack how grappling sports shape people in ways a normal workout never can.

We talk about Anthony’s path from a big family and an accidental landing in the Coachella Valley to discovering judo as the closest thing to the jiu-jitsu he saw in the early UFC days. He explains the real differences between judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and wrestling, from throws and pins to points and submissions, and why “earning your belt” is about time, skill, and trust, not shortcuts. Along the way, we dig into competing as a mirror for your habits, why humility is a feature, and how great coaching means adapting to the person in front of you.

Anthony also shares how his academy grew through mentorship, community, and the post-COVID reset, plus what it takes to develop kids into high-level athletes, including Palm Desert’s wrestling pipeline and the growth of girls wrestling and women’s jiu-jitsu. We wrap with mindset lessons on injuries, nutrition, and training as “physical chess,” then point you to where you can drop in and try a class.

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Transcript

Welcome And Meet The Guest

SPEAKER_01 0:00

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SPEAKER_02 0:12

Welcome back, everybody, to C V Hustle, the podcast where we talk to the best and brightest here in the Coachella Valley. And today's illustrious guest is a has a lot of titles. He's an entrepreneur. He's a third-degree black belt. He's a businessman. He's also a teacher and a coach. He runs the best or one of the best uh jujitsu schools here in the Coachella Valley, Coachella Valley Jiu Jitsu. Mr. Anthony Mantanona, thank you for coming in, man. Thanks for having me. Thanks for it. We've been wanting to get you in here for a long time. We're glad to finally sit down and chat with you.

SPEAKER_07 0:46

You got a crazy schedule. It was like, you got to see me now or in a month, you know, kind of thing, which is which is crazy. And I started like, I was looking up, just trying to talk about or you know, kind of get some talking points about it. And I was like, man, their schedule's just boom, boom, boom. Right. So it's just crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:02

Tournaments, yeah, family, got a big family and uh all that stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:05

Yep. Um, so I was telling Bobby, I know nothing about what you do. So I know, and and we'll go back to like his beginning and stuff, but I'm like, I'm gonna learn so much about your industry. And you know, just kind of I'm gonna have stupid questions, just letting you know ahead of time. So just be prepared. But I can't wait to hear more about what you guys do and what you teach the the young children out there and and adults, right? So that's kind of good.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Teach anybody who wants to learn. You're a native. You've been to this valley for how long now?

SPEAKER_05 1:35

Um about 40 years. Moved here when I was about 10 years old.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:39

Where we're from. Uh, all over. But when I got here, it was coming from Bakersfield. But I mean, we lived everywhere. We traveled a lot. My dad was in the military. Um, and um well, for different reasons, but we were we were on the move a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

Okay. So Coachella Valley, you where'd you kind of go to school? What what the Palm Desert.

SPEAKER_05 1:59

We were just supposed to stay here for a little while. My uncle lived here and my aunt, and uh, we were actually on our way back to Hawaii, and we just stayed here for a little bit while my dad was looking for a place for us there, and parents ended up splitting up in that and we ended up just staying here on accident.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:16

It's an interesting story, but yeah. Accidentally, accidentally a native then.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Yeah, yeah. You're on your way out of here, and then boom, you end up being here 40 years ago.

SPEAKER_05 2:23

Settling down. We were moving all over the place, and it just happened to be this place that we did.

SPEAKER_07 2:27

You guys have like a do you have a whole bunch of brothers and sisters?

Growing Up In A Big Family

SPEAKER_07 2:30

Because it sounds like it's like a big family.

SPEAKER_05 2:32

Yeah, I got four brothers and three sisters, and then the youngest.

SPEAKER_07 2:35

Oh, nice. Oh, you're the baby. What do you think about that? Like they always say the young the the oldest is what? The little, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

A little bit more responsible.

SPEAKER_07 2:45

Yeah, and then the baby's just the crazy one. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_05 2:48

I just I see it. Well, I think the the oldest ones usually get the most attention because whatever they're going through is a little more important. And the youngest one, parents are kind of wearing down and they've kind of learned what works and what doesn't work, and they're just I got away with the most, I think. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_07 3:02

Ours our kids do because our kids, our older girls are like, You're not the same mom from 2006. And I'm it's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_05 3:10

So I hear that from the I can see that though, do they?

SPEAKER_07 3:13

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:13

My oldest kids, I mean, I was I didn't know what I was doing. I was I cared too much. That's a common thing that I I see with parents. Is sometimes you just care too much. And helicopter parenting, I'm sure you're sure just going too far, you know, caring too much. And you the only way you know you go too far is by going too far. My oldest kids will they're like, Dad, what's up? Like we had Tupac as a dad, and these guys get Gandhi. I'm like, I'm sorry. You know, sorry. That's a big change, man. Yeah. That's a big change to go Tupac to get it.

SPEAKER_07 3:41

Sometimes they need a little beating.

SPEAKER_05 3:42

But I think that's the best thing you can teach your kid is that um you can change. You can be wrong and admit it, and then make the adjustments, and they're gonna learn that from you. Absolutely. They can pick that up, that's probably the best thing.

SPEAKER_07 3:54

I think it's the same thing like you said about your dad.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Oh, absolutely. My dad totally changed from when I grew up because I was the first one. So I went through the militant, you know, the militant, you know, disciplinarian, and then get to my sister, and he's the soft, you know, softest toilet paper on her, you know.

SPEAKER_05 4:10

As a parent, you think you're supposed to have all the answers and you're supposed to know everything and have it all figured out, but that's just not the case.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

So bringing you back to your uh formative years, so accidentally stay in the Coachella Valley, attend Palm Desert High School. Yeah, where did the love were you was your family always an athletic, you know, family? Like where did the love of wrestling? Because I know you started as a wrestler, right? Is that what you're doing?

SPEAKER_05 4:34

No, actually uh I started with judo. Oh, okay. I did boxing even before that. Okay, high school. Okay. With Ronnie Garcia out in Cat City. That was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_07 4:43

Wait, they had boxing at high school?

SPEAKER_05 4:45

No, no, no, no, no. It was a it was a boxing club. Oh, okay. Called Ringside.

SPEAKER_07 4:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 4:49

Cathedral City.

SPEAKER_07 4:50

I've been trying to get our son into that too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:52

Just because I want him to really we saw UFC and we were like, we want to learn about it. Me and my friends. And so we looked for jujitsu, and there was nothing here at the time, but there was judo, Coachella Valley Judo.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Ah, uh Glenn Hagstead.

SPEAKER_07 5:05

And so he was he was our first taste of it. What is judo?

SPEAKER_05 5:11

Judo is um it's take it's mostly takedowns. It's a lot like Jiu Jitsu. It's mostly throws, takedowns, but there is also submissions and pins, arm mocks chokes, and and pinning people down, you can win by a pin. So it's kind of like jujitsu, kind of like wrestling, kind of like Greco wrestling, which is where you can't touch the legs. They've changed the rules in judo a little bit to where you can't grab the legs you used to be able to kind of wrestle in there, but they've changed some of the rules, and so uh judo's awesome. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 5:41

Really? Yeah, they all are. What are well like what if if I was to go in there, what's kind of the first thing that they're gonna teach you in in judo? Let's go with judo first.

SPEAKER_05 5:51

Well, I mean, you're gonna learn how to move a little bit first, right? If you can teach your body to move, when you learn the moves, your body will understand how to how to move in those ways. So moving, stretching, warming up, and then learning techniques.

unknown 6:03

Hmm.

SPEAKER_07 6:04

You play Eye of the Tiger?

SPEAKER_05 6:05

Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_07 6:07

Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

I gotta do that.

SPEAKER_07 6:10

ACDC.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

I mean, you gotta have the you gotta have the right mentality, right?

SPEAKER_07 6:14

You do. I I love it.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

That music puts you in a good little space, right? So Judo was your first was Judo your first real compete. Where did your first martial art? Where did you compete at? Like Judo, Judo was your first one.

SPEAKER_05 6:24

Judo was my first martial art, and the first one I but how did you meet Glenn? Um, we just we found the the club. We found Coachella Valley Judo, and he was running the club already.

SPEAKER_07 6:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 6:33

He's a famous guy in the valley, especially. Yeah, he's a who he is, but um, or who he was. He's he passed away about six months ago, but he was a great guy. He was a tough guy, uh a great leader, and uh my mentor, a guy who did change my life. Oh, yeah. Me and my friends were on a on a great path. We were young and knuckleheads, punks. We were young punks, and um luckily we found the art. Right martial arts definitely taught us um how to be better all the way around.

SPEAKER_07 7:03

How old were you then? When do you think you started?

SPEAKER_05 7:05

18.

SPEAKER_07 7:06

Oh, you were 18. 18. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:08

And so you didn't wrestle in high school or no, they didn't even have wrestling in high school.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

They didn't have wrestling in high school, no, not until my senior year. Oh, wow. That's how old. Wow, okay. How old I am. Well, no, that's that goes back a long way because like that's a pretty wrestling's in every high school now. So this was a while ago, the mid-90s, correct? Yep. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 7:26

Yeah, but like when my brother was in at C V high school, he was a wrestler.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

And that was like they've had wrestling at C V for a long time. Early in the 80s. And Indio too. In India. Yeah, Indio. So it was just because Pondas was new school, yeah. Didn't have a program. Ah that makes sense. That makes sense. Okay. So you're you're starting in judo as your first really combat sport. How did that how did your career in that kind of all? Because you're it was good.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

We went there because we wanted to learn jujitsu, and judo was the closest. So we were we were excited about the judo. Glenn was teaching us jujitsu also because he was training jujitsu at the time. He was like a purple belt. He was traveling to Orange County and learning.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 8:01

And he'd come back and he would teach judo, but he was also mixing in a lot of jujitsu, and that's what we wanted. And he kind of knew that. And um, so we were hesitant on competing in judo. We like didn't really want to. As time went on, he's like, I'll never compete uh promote you guys unless you compete in judo. Wow. Man, okay. We're gonna have to get out of embrace this thing.

SPEAKER_07 8:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:22

And we ended up falling in love with it once we did. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 8:25

So when you were talking about uh you saw the UFC.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 8:29

That's jujitsu.

SPEAKER_05 8:31

Well, it was Hoyce Gracie who was kind of dominating those first few UFCs with jujitsu. Yeah, beating everybody up.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Yeah, you could do anything in the UFC back then, right? You could gouge eyes

Finding Judo And A Mentor

SPEAKER_02 8:40

and wasn't the first ones where you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 8:42

Well, I don't think you could ever gouge eyes or no groin shots. That was probably the two things you couldn't do. You could do just about everything else. Okay. I know fish hooking.

SPEAKER_07 8:51

But that's where you're you're like punching and kicking.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

It's like mixed martial arts, like today, right? Just fighting.

SPEAKER_07 8:57

It's like a five-year-old tantrum.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Well, the you could do any, you could be any type of fighter, right? It's like it was mixed martial arts.

SPEAKER_05 9:03

Back then it was everybody did kind of one art. And so it was like kind of comparing the different arts against each other. And now it's everybody does everything. Yeah, he's got striking, grappling, you have to almost, right?

SPEAKER_07 9:15

Yeah, you gotta you kind of gotta be an all-around.

SPEAKER_05 9:17

Is a mixed martial arts.

SPEAKER_07 9:18

Yeah, because you gotta know what's coming at you and how to deal with it.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

It's all evolved, man. Like any sport, though, the sport just gets better at time. The money goes into it and the viewership goes up and the guys get better. Everybody's improving, everybody's starting younger. And because they have like mixed martial arts schools as well now, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. So there's there's definitely like there's definitely like levels to this stuff that didn't exist obviously when you were coming in.

SPEAKER_07 9:42

So like you started early, and then I'm assuming you were so you would just go to practice, right? And and then you'd I'm assuming you're working, and then how did you start going into like this is something I really want to seriously pursue? Well, well, hold on, I guess. Let me so you so you were practicing all the time, right? You were doing that.

SPEAKER_05 10:02

We loved it. We love to train, we love to compete and improve ourselves.

SPEAKER_07 10:07

And so, like, how long? So if if you're practicing, how how do you get to a place where you're competing? Like, are there competitions all the time?

SPEAKER_05 10:15

That's just a choice. That's like, hey, do I want to jump in early and go see where I'm at? Competing will teach you to kind of see where you're at, but also where you can improve.

SPEAKER_07 10:23

But how do you get like how many competitions are there out there? Like, how do you think these days they're all the time?

SPEAKER_05 10:28

They're all every like that's where you're going every couple of weeks. Yeah, it's always something. It's wrestling or jiu-jitsu.

SPEAKER_07 10:32

Oh, okay. So you can just judo their stuff.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

But back when every week there's everything. Was there there was there?

SPEAKER_05 10:36

Well, there wasn't, there wasn't hardly any. I don't know, there wasn't any jujitsu competitions that I can think of when I first started with judo.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Okay. So you had to you had to make the make the decision if I'm gonna compete at this, I gotta get good at judo real fast, right? Yeah, that was the only thing to compete in. Okay. That I was training in at the time. And how did that career as a fighter, how did your career prog progress? And you know, like how long did you do that for?

SPEAKER_05 10:59

A lot of years. Yeah. A lot of years. I competed for a lot of years, and once we got our black belts, we knew we wanted to progress in jiu-jitsu. We were already learning jujitsu, but we didn't our coach couldn't promote us because he was in a black belt at the time. But he would tell us, okay, you guys got to go out to Orange County and go find a school to go train. He kind of told us to go.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

So you had to go all the way to Orange County at the time to go train jujitsu. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:22

Well, to get it officially, you know, promoted and rank up. Okay. Um, we didn't even have cars. We were just, again, we were these young kids. We'd borrow a friend's car or somebody would take us and we'd go like once a week, maybe. Yeah. Whatever we learned, we'd take it back and work it until the next time we went. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

That's dedication right there, man. Right. That was before all the glitz and glamour of social media. Before YouTube, yeah, promoting you and and right rankings and stuff like that. It was just like, I love this. I'm gonna go and sacrifice my life.

SPEAKER_05 11:50

And we didn't do it for the rankings and the promoting, we did it for the love of it. You know, we just wanted to improve. That's better at it.

SPEAKER_07 11:57

So, how do tell me how it starts? Like you start off as a white belt, like, and how do you get to the next belt? Like, what colors do you have?

SPEAKER_05 12:05

There's different ways, right? There's just putting the time in, learning the skills, and when your coach thinks you're ready for the next belt. Uh-huh. And there's also like competing. Once you're dominating at a belt and you're ready for a new challenge, sometimes coaches will move you up for that reason. Like, okay, you're ready to go take on a new level.

SPEAKER_07 12:22

But how many, how many colors are there?

SPEAKER_05 12:24

For jujitsu?

SPEAKER_07 12:25

Let's start off with judo.

SPEAKER_05 12:27

So judo's different. Each school can run their their belt system a little bit differently. There's basically three main ranks there's white, brown, and black that you can compete in, and white is kind of a beginner. Some schools will run white with like because it might take a while to get to the next level, they'll give you different colored belts. Ours did blue and green, but some schools will do like yellow or orange, but it's all going to be in that white belt category. Ah, okay. You can't compete as a brown belt until you're a brown belt, and then you can go to black belt, you know, once you've completed the brown belt. But in some of the tournaments back then, they mixed brown and black belts.

SPEAKER_07 13:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Is that not a thing anymore? Like kind of.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

I think you can still do that. I think you can still do that. Some judo tournaments, but like the bigger tournaments, they'll separate them. Right. Some of the smaller ones just to get matches.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

And there's like requirements for those belts, right? Like you, yeah, you as a as the as the school, you guys have like standards that these students got to meet, right?

SPEAKER_05 13:21

There's time, there's technique, and then obviously there's competing. Guys can move up a little quicker if they're winning big tournaments, pan Ams and World Championships, and you're ready for if you're a world champion, you're probably ready for the next one.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

Those belts meet something out there. I mean, I think it takes time. I think a lot of people think, oh, it's you know, you give the little kid a white belt and it's cute. No, man. Those are like there's levels to the big thing.

SPEAKER_05 13:42

Even for kids, it takes a while. It takes at least a year, year and a half to get to that next belt. You're you're a white belt. Oh, wow. Minimum a year, year and a half.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Wow. Year and a half, even if you're going all the time. Yeah, that's training pretty consistently. That's that's awesome. That's something that's missing these days. I love that. That people got that people got to put their time in and master their craft, you know. But you still get tropical.

SPEAKER_05 14:04

When they're waiting, they're kind of they can get a little discouraged, you know, and but when they get it, they really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Yeah. And I in our in our microwaveable culture that we have now, everybody wants it now, now, now because of social media and stuff like that. It's like that's a beautiful thing that you have to like put in your time, put in the work, and your your teacher actually actually says, Yeah, you're ready to move up.

SPEAKER_05 14:23

And well, I mean, it can also work the other way. Where if you get promoted soon and you're at that next belt, but now it's some white belts are beating you up, you can feel unworthy about it. And that can discourage people from training altogether.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Huh.

SPEAKER_05 14:37

That's how you kind of weed out the weed out people, huh? There's a fine line there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:41

I think about it that way.

SPEAKER_05 14:42

Yeah. Sometimes you think you want to move up and then you do, and you're like, oh my gosh, I have to start over. I gotta represent this thing.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Put up or shut up, right? Yeah, it'll make you or break you for sure.

SPEAKER_05 14:52

Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

I mean, that's that's that's I but I love that. I love that. I love that you have to actually put in the work, you know. It's something that society's confused in these things.

SPEAKER_05 15:00

You feel good, it's it's not always something people look forward to, like, man, it's gonna be tough. I'm gonna go there, I'm gonna get beat up, I'm gonna be fighting for my life. But every time you're done, you feel yeah, good about yourself. You like yourself a little bit more when you do something hard and I'm a bad mamma jamma.

SPEAKER_07 15:14

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Well, sometimes you come out of there really humbled and that's that's mostly, and that's kind of the beauty of it, right? It's the beauty of the journey of you know, getting better every day and getting up and going, I don't want to go get choked out today and just getting up and go to class and you know, you do it again. And that's kind of the beauty of it, I think.

SPEAKER_05 15:31

For sure. That's what builds the bond. You know, everybody in there's going through the same thing. Yeah, we're all struggling. Yeah, so and it's a it's a good connection to have with people.

SPEAKER_07 15:40

Okay, so you so you would go to Orange County and you would learn what you you know, you'd come back and and um teach what you learned, right?

SPEAKER_05 15:48

Or you would we were just working on it. Okay. We were just we were still students. This is kids at this point. We were still students, those kids, you know. We were kind of teaching it, like sharing it with the other people that we were training with.

SPEAKER_07 15:57

But Glenn had to get his black belt in jujitsu to teach you guys or to no, he was teaching us, but to be able to promote us.

SPEAKER_05 16:06

And he wanted us to ended up getting his black belt while we were while you were doing that, okay, progressing.

unknown 16:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 16:13

So then how did how did Jiu Jitsu come into it for into the valley then? Obviously through him.

SPEAKER_05 16:20

He's one. There's a few of the guys that had that started probably around when we did. Okay. And they were probably doing something similar as far as traveling.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

There's a few of the guys what years, what years are these? Because I mean, jujitsu's been around in the valley for a while now. So what years? I would say this was probably the pioneers, one of the pioneers 98, 2000, right around then. Yeah, one of the pioneering schools bringing up.

SPEAKER_05 16:49

Yeah, that was that was, but there was no Gracie schools out here back then.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:53

I mean, my coach, he was cle he's Clever Luciano, and he's under a Gracie. He was under Euler and Hicks and Gracie. But his school wasn't named a Gracie school, even though it kind of was. And um, it's kind of like our school. Yeah. You know. So late 90s. Back then it was Joe Morella. He had some affiliates out here, and that was my that was Glenn's coach.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Okay. Okay. So you guys are all interconnected, huh? The guys that brought it down here. I know. You guys all you guys all know each other. We all spent time together and we have good friendships. So late 90s, you're just a student going to tournaments. How did uh when did you start thinking, hey, maybe I can make a career out of this? You know, I know you were, you know, still competing at the time, but how did is that like a was that something you always thought about, or is that something that kind of just evolved?

SPEAKER_05 17:35

I didn't really think that's what it would turn into. I didn't. It was another accident, another good accident, I guess. Um just slowly teaching, you know, just slowly helping people out, maybe doing some private lessons with some people that wanted some help. And didn't know I could do it, but I was doing private lessons with some older guys, and they were like, Man, you're a really good teacher. You're doing good, kind of building your confidence, you know. Sometimes when somebody just says something, it helps put give you a little push. So I didn't really know, you know, knew I could do it. Right. Just didn't know I could I could coach or how well I could coach. And it it just like anything, it takes time. The more you do it, the better you get at it. Absolutely better at breaking it down and explaining it and understanding it. And really teaching helps helps learn, you know, it makes you a better student, makes you realize what's important and the details. When you learn to teach, I think you learn a little bit better because you know you're gonna share it with somebody. Sometimes when you learn for yourself, you just want to take what you think is gonna help you.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:35

You know, and if you think it doesn't, then you might not take it very important. But if you know you're gonna pass it on, once I knew I was gonna kind of coach my kids, I learned a little bit differently. I was like, I need to hold on to everything so I can reshare it and somebody else might use it.

SPEAKER_07 18:48

Well, you know what Bobby's always talking about because he's

Belts Competition And Earning Respect

SPEAKER_07 18:50

coached forever, right? And he's like, there's a certain type of kid that needs to be yelled at, and there's a certain kid you can't do that. So you probably have you know, come up with the same thing, right? There's people that okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:02

Some kids you can push and some kids you can't.

SPEAKER_07 19:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:06

I I learned that with my own kids. That's true. And then I try to do that with my second, and it was it was different. I couldn't. If I pushed him, I would push him away. So I had to figure out you have to adapt. You know, you have to figure out what works for that person. I'd say the old school, you're like, this is how we're doing it. That doesn't work for everybody. Yeah, you you have to learn it's just like parenting. You know, it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_07 19:29

Parenting, coaching, it's uh well, you got all these different personalities, you gotta adapt.

SPEAKER_05 19:33

But I almost had to do reverse psychology on my second kid. I'd be like, no, you're probably not ready for anybody like you know, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:41

I'll show you, Dad. For sure. Yeah, I mean, they're all different, man. It's uh so like that's one thing. You gotta be as a coach these days, we gotta be like part psychologists, you know. Yeah, I gotta figure out what makes you tick and what motivate you because it ain't back in our day. The coaches just yelled at us and threatened, you know, threatened our life with you know with running us into the ground. And you want to help people, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:01

As a coach, as a parent, you want to help. Yeah, give your kid an advantage and you gotta figure out how to do that. Yeah. Not just by doing it the way you want to do it, but what's gonna work for them.

SPEAKER_07 20:10

Okay, I want to take it back to jujitsu because I still don't know the difference. So jujitsu jujitsu is more on the ground. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 20:17

Like a judo match. If I throw somebody on their back, the match can be over. It's called an e-pon one point. They go feet to back, match can be over. Oh in uh jujitsu, that's not gonna happen. You're gonna get two points for the takedown, but the match is still gonna go. And just because I took you down doesn't mean you might submit me. You might catch me on an arm lock or a choke or reverse me and score some more points, and uh the match is just getting going.

SPEAKER_07 20:38

But jujitsu is is is punching. Very similar. Is it punching?

SPEAKER_05 20:43

There's no punching. No. In any of the arts that we're doing, they're all the grappling arts. Judo jujitsu wrestling, there's no kicking. No striking.

SPEAKER_07 20:49

No kicking, no striking, no kicking either.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

You're thinking mixed articles. Taking down with their legs. I'm thinking UFC.

SPEAKER_07 20:55

I'm yeah, in UFC, they're sitting there with their their hands up.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

That's not jujitsu arts. That's not what we're doing. Yeah, they're not doing that. They're masters at jujitsu because jujitsu wins mixed martial arts and most of the time.

SPEAKER_05 21:06

Well, I mean, I don't know if that art actually wins it, but all the best guys have have that uh ability to wrestle you or submit you, take you down, control you on the ground, or submit you. You you gotta have that.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:20

Whether you're trying to stop somebody from doing that to you, or you can do it, you gotta know it. Whether you're defending it or using it to attack.

SPEAKER_07 21:27

Okay, so if you know. If if I'm this weight and somebody's also, let's just say I'm a brown belt, right? And I have another brown belt, but she's twice my size. There's weight classes. Oh, so there's weight classes. Just like kind of like football.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

In MA, there's like no, it's like uh wrestling. You know, and wrestling is a good thing. Oh, that's true. That's right. That is true.

SPEAKER_05 21:49

And then Judo and Judicial, there's also age groups. So there's weight classes, there's age groups. So there's so many people doing it now that you can separate it and still have a lot of matches. Right.

SPEAKER_07 21:59

There's like I'm thinking in football, like we have some there's some kids out there that are huge, and we're like, there's no freaking way they weighed in at 125 or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 22:09

That's how the first uh used to be. There was no weight class.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Yeah. They have little guys and big guys. They have this big old guy. I remember this big old guy, man, and somebody just knocked him out. Like he was like a little guy just knocked him out. So like in in that that that level, it doesn't matter as much. I mean, it matters in the mixed martial arts range now, but you know, a little guy, if he's better technique-wise, he can take it.

SPEAKER_05 22:30

Back then it was, you know, one art versus another. So a little guy could be a bigger guy who didn't know maybe a grappling art or something. You know that's true.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

That's what happened to all the big guys back in the day.

SPEAKER_05 22:41

But they separated it because it definitely became an issue once everybody was learning everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:46

And yeah, yeah, you had to address address that. Um, okay, so then you you started getting into wrestling because you had two boys coming up, right?

SPEAKER_05 22:55

Or yeah, my oldest son, he wanted my my brother, my brother-in-law, he wrestled his senior year, and then he ended up coaching. And we were doing jujitsu together in judo. We did everything pretty much together.

SPEAKER_07 23:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 23:07

He was a little bit younger than me, so he he got a year of wrestling in, and um, it really helped. I could tell it was helping his jujitsu and his judo. Oh. And then my oldest son, you know, we just became a fan of the sport. And so my oldest son, he started learning a little bit of everything, and he just really enjoyed the wrestling. He enjoyed all of it, but we saw how helpful it was. Even when he was playing football. Yeah. Really? Wrestling. Wrestlers make the best football player. Yeah, it really helped him. Yeah, wrestlers make it different than the other kids because he had he knows how to take people down.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Yeah. In football, you gotta be able to spend physical. Yeah, physical.

SPEAKER_05 23:42

Working really hard. You know, our kids would go to practice and then they'd go to football. And there'd be kids out there crying, running around, and they just came from an hour or two of trying to kill each other, and it was like easier.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Yeah. Wrestling practice is way harder than football practice. I can attest to that. I went up to the phone. Well, it's just because it's non-stop one day. You know, it was hard. I remember I went out for the wrestling team like one day, I think, and it was just like, no, thanks. This is way harder than football. Because the coach talked me into doing it because I was a decent football player. I was like, no, thanks. These guys are crazy. I mean, that was the hardest practice I think I'd ever been through. And I was like, nah.

SPEAKER_07 24:16

So what's the difference between wrestling and that? I mean, if it they all kind of look the same to the average.

SPEAKER_05 24:23

So judo, you have a kimono. Okay. You're throwing each other, you're taking each other down, and you can win by submissions, but you can just end a match if you throw somebody from feet to back.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

The match will be over.

SPEAKER_05 24:33

Jiu-Jitsu, you're taking the guy down, you're scoring points. You can win by submission also, or scoring points by you know, outgrappling somebody, getting on top, passing the guard, having control. Wrestling is there's no submissions. No, yeah. That's amazing. And it's takedowns and control mostly.

SPEAKER_07 24:51

And don't you have to stay within a certain area, right?

SPEAKER_05 24:54

Stay on the mat on all of them.

SPEAKER_07 24:55

Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 24:56

Okay. And they all have a border that you gotta try to stay inside of.

SPEAKER_07 25:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

And that plays a fact or a factor.

SPEAKER_07 25:03

I bet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

So they're all similar, but not not the same, basically. They're all very similar. So if you can master one, you probably can master it.

SPEAKER_05 25:11

They can be helpful to each other for sure. Right, for sure. Well, just because you master one doesn't mean you're probably gonna master another.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Yeah. There's different skill sets, correct?

SPEAKER_05 25:18

Yep, but they're helpful. Yeah, definitely. Technique, leverage, strength, conditioning, speed. Just playing different games.

SPEAKER_07 25:26

What about um who was your first chokehold? You remember that?

SPEAKER_05 25:30

Nope. I don't. No? No. I just remember getting people. No, I mean it was it was good getting beat up a lot before I got one.

SPEAKER_07 25:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:38

I remember getting beat up and just people spinning around on me and taking my arms and my neck.

SPEAKER_07 25:42

And oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 25:43

It's tough because you know, you go as we were, we thought we were pretty tough going into it, and then stuff like that happens to you, and you're like, man, I'm not near as tough as I thought I was. Yeah. A lot of training. So you have a couple choices. You're like, I can try to learn this thing and do it to the better, or I can just accept where I'm at.

SPEAKER_07 26:05

But you have a competitive side to it, right? Because I mean, it sounds like you just like you want to get better and you want to do this. Of course, everybody does. But you also want to go out there and kick his ass, right?

unknown 26:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:16

I would want to go to the body.

SPEAKER_05 26:17

I mean, at start at the beginning, yeah, you kind of measure yourself on how you do with somebody else. You kind of see where you're at and where you can get better. But really, after a while, you realize you're just competing with yourself. If I can be better than I was, then that's improving, and that's that's really what it's all about. You know?

unknown 26:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 26:37

There's a concept. That's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

But I get to the higher levels. A lot of guys are like that, right? Yeah. Because it's it's still really competitive. That's the one you really that's the one that matters.

SPEAKER_07 26:48

But you need that person to also be competitive to like you know, so you so you know your mistakes, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:53

Where you can improve. You need that other person. Yeah. Okay. But it's really you have that has to deal with yourself and realize, hey, you gotta be honest with yourself and be like, I'm the issue here. Like I can, I can do better. I need to be better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:07

Okay. So then you're so your oldest got into it, and then he the other one followed, right? They all followed. Each kid just kind of looked up to each other and and went to Palm Desert High School and and did wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 27:20

Okay. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

And that's where you you got involved. I kind of want to take it back real quick though, to where so you were when you first started, you realized, hey, I'm a good teacher. I could teach this thing, right?

SPEAKER_05 27:29

Um, I'm I don't know if I realized I was good, but I I believed I could do better and I was helping helping people and that that appreciated it, and that kind of felt good.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Is that where the little light bulb went on and said, hey, I mean if I can make a career out of this?

SPEAKER_05 27:41

Or like still to not for a while. Really? Not for a while. Still like, hey, I can help people. And I think it I was probably helping my kids, and as you know, that's what I wanted to do. Okay. To have the the more information for how can I learn more so I can pass it on to them. That's that's always what it is, right? You want to help your kids, you want to give your kids an advantage any way you can. Right. And they're into it. And then you start helping their friends and other kids, and you realize there's a lot of people that would appreciate it and enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

And then so from there, I know you worked with Glenn. You were like the probably like one of the top teachers, right, at his school at this point, right? Or the the top guy. Yeah, me and me and my brother were kind of a

Teaching Style And Coaching Psychology

SPEAKER_02 28:30

when do you when do you start to come in on the business side of that? Like what when when was when does that kind of happen? Because you're now, you know, you're now one of the countries.

SPEAKER_05 28:38

I had different odd jobs coming up, and uh my wife and I, we own the PS cookie company. And so we were entrepreneurial spirit was still going. Uh, you're in a business. And then once we took it over, we just we just wanted to get by, you know, and enjoy the sport, the art. Okay. And um, I think it was probably COVID when we realized.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Yeah. A lot of people pivoted in COVID.

SPEAKER_07 29:04

Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Right. And that's when you've kind of that's when you got more involved in the business side and kind of Yeah.

unknown 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:12

Well, I I I really appreciated and enjoyed helping people. And when COVID hit, I was like, I felt kind of useless.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Oh yeah, because you couldn't really meet around. I can't help anybody.

SPEAKER_05 29:20

I can't do anything, and that's what I felt good about. It was it was tough. But I was like, when we come back, I'm gonna I'm gonna do a better job. Sure. And um it just kind of snowballs.

SPEAKER_06 29:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 29:32

You know, before you know it, trying to do the good. Before you know it, you're you're doing you're have a business at it, right?

SPEAKER_05 29:39

I mean, yeah, since my wife, you know, she's she's helped so much with it. I mean, so she's the I might be the voice in the face, but she's she manages me.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Ah, okay. So you guys are a good team. Great team. Yeah, that's that's good. You gotta have that.

SPEAKER_05 29:52

Same thing with parenting. You know, if I'm being tough, she's gonna she's gonna counter that with her soft side. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:00

That's true. That's hard.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

It's hard to parent sometimes because it's like especially these days, kids got access to so much stuff that we didn't have, so many new problems.

SPEAKER_07 30:09

So do you still have the cookie company?

SPEAKER_02 30:10

No.

SPEAKER_07 30:11

No? Okay. So she okay, got it, got it.

SPEAKER_05 30:13

That was just kind of our bump start to life. Right. You know. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 30:17

So then you had your kit your kids run through that, right? And they were, they were like you had their friends come in, I think was awesome. Cause then that, you know, it just it builds self-confidence too, right? You know, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:28

It builds the community.

SPEAKER_05 30:29

Other people saw the success they were having and were like, I want to do that. And parents were like encouraging their kids. He's doing good on the football field or he's doing good at tournaments.

SPEAKER_07 30:40

Where are the tournaments? How far out are they?

SPEAKER_05 30:43

Um, it it ranges. You know, there's I guess local would be within an hour or so, Riverside, okay, Cambertadino, out towards LA, San Diego. But as you start progressing, you start you start traveling the country.

SPEAKER_07 30:56

Yeah, because I was gonna say, I've I know people that are like flying out to there and here for things, and I'm like, shit.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

You gotta get to that level though, right? You gotta do that.

SPEAKER_05 31:04

No, I mean you gotta go through the the progressions of hey, if if I'm not dominating here in the valley, I probably have no business going traveling out. Yeah. I don't need to. I'm getting the the matches I need here, the competition in the practice room or whatever it is, but you start to challenge yourself at higher and higher levels. And we have we took about 20 kids between my club and my kids have a club out in Temecula now. My older ones. Oh, wow. Okay. So we took about 20 kids between both of our clubs to Reno last weekend, which is like one of the biggest tournaments in the country. And we got some really good kids. Yeah.

unknown 31:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 31:35

Who who's putting on the tournaments? Because I know when we have football things, um, I mean, there's a lot of work that goes into it.

SPEAKER_05 31:44

There's different organizations. And there's USA.

unknown 31:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 31:47

USA Wrestling puts on a good one. A bunch of tournaments. Okay. Local and national tournaments. There's a uh New Way, which is SC Way for California. The one we went to in Reno, it's called Wow World of Wrestling. And they just really put on three tournaments a year. Put on Tulsa Kickoff in November, Tulsa Nationals in January, and then Reno World in April. If you win all three, it's it's called the Trinity. Oh, that makes sense. Really? Wow.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

From the Valley. Yep. Oh, that's awesome, man. Yeah. When did the school so you guys are known as the school, like one of the bigger schools, I would say. And you guys just upgraded your life. We've been around the longest.

SPEAKER_05 32:25

We've been around the longest. Yeah. We have a good reputation.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Did you see like after COVID, did you see a bigger, like bigger enrollment? Because you guys recently moved to a bigger, bigger facility, correct? Yeah. So what was the when did you kind of decide to make that move?

SPEAKER_05 32:37

And I was kind of forced into it by my coach Glenn. Oh, really? He was um, you know, he's been he was battling cancer for a long time. And one of his dreams was to have a freestanding building martial arts academy, again, like an LA or an Orange County kind of school here. That's awesome, man. And he was like, we're doing this, you know, and I I tried to resist him. I was like in a comfort zone, you know. I was like, things are going good. I don't want to mess with it. And uh he always pushed me out of my comfort zone, pushed me to do things I didn't want to do, but I eventually did and was grateful I did. It was always the right thing.

SPEAKER_07 33:09

But um, you know, you get comfortable and you're off cook, right?

SPEAKER_05 33:14

And like he forced us and we got a great carp's car wash area. Okay, did something really special for us and forced us to do it.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

So you'd like doubled your space, right? Uh yeah. I mean, it's it's a big facility, right? It's one of the bigger ones here in the valley for sure. It's huge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:30

And it's already filling up.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

And now you guys are running like multiple different, like multiple different classes, right? For different you do you do judo now? Jiu-jitsu.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

No, we don't actually have a specific judo class.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 33:42

But we do work judo and wrestling into our jujitsu class.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Got it. Okay. So you're working all the techniques. Yeah. So basically you're signing up for all the techniques if you go to your school.

SPEAKER_05 33:50

You're getting a variety. If you sign up for the jiu jitsu classes, you're getting some wrestling, you're getting some judo, you're getting a lot of jujitsu. Right.

SPEAKER_07 33:56

How many coaches do you have? What do you are you called a coach?

SPEAKER_05 33:59

Yeah. Okay. Coach, sensei, like all kinds of names. But I'm okay with any of them. We're not too strict on that. But I got a lot of coaches. Do you? We got like 20 something black belts at our school. A lot of people that come in, they stay. They've been that's probably the one of the things I'm proud of is that when people come, they stay, they're happy.

SPEAKER_07 34:18

And um and they give back. They help. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:22

Yeah. So we got a lot of coaches. A lot of great good people.

SPEAKER_07 34:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

But people, good families. You know, we got people that bring their kids in and they talk to other parents, and then the parents start training, and then we have adults that come in and train, and they find out some of the people that are trained there, their kids train, and they bring their kids in. And so families, we got a lot of good families that are there.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Family environment, huh? Yeah. That's I mean, that's that speaks to like speaks to consistency and you guys being one of the top schools. I mean you guys turn out, you know, good, good people all the time. You know, that's all I hear about is your guys' your guys' kids coming out of that school. Um recently, I don't know if it's recently, you said you've been doing it for eight years, though. You kind of transitioned into the high school realm realm and got involved. As a head coach.

SPEAKER_05 35:06

As a head coach. You were always involved with the program, but then you I was helping out a little bit here and there, but I was mostly coaching the youth program.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Yeah. Kind of feeding them into the high schools. So you're the head coach now of Palm Desert High School of Wrestling, the wrestling program, which, by the way, if you don't know, Palm Desert is the premier wrestling school here in the valley. I think you guys have established that. I mean, you've had title after title. Um, kind of speak to that experience. How did that? I mean, then that's another is that another accident? Like, were you ever planning on being a head coach?

SPEAKER_05 35:36

They were in between coaches, and I offered to be an intern coach, and it just happened to stick.

SPEAKER_07 35:42

Nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

So you were on the staff, and they're like, hey, we need you to fill in. We're gonna try and find something.

SPEAKER_05 35:47

I wasn't really on the staff. I was like a volunteer. Okay. You know, I was helping out, and um I just wanted to make sure that, you know, these kids were building up, we're we're gonna be taken care of, you know. And so I just put together a pretty good staff, you know. I put together, I brought in some good guys, good wrestling guys and good character guys. And so it's it's a team. It's a team effort, it's a group effort, and so I definitely couldn't do it without all of our coaches.

unknown 36:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:14

So when is when is uh wrestling season? When did it start? Oh, it's year.

SPEAKER_05 36:19

All year. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:20

Okay, for high school. For him, it's all year.

SPEAKER_05 36:23

Yeah, yeah. So um it usually starts around Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_07 36:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 36:28

And ends right at usually the end of February, early March for the high school season. But there's you know, there's there's preseason, there's season, there's postseason, there's off-season. Yeah. There's always some kind of season.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

It's like any other high school sport. They're year-round now. Football's almost year-round now. It's crazy, you know. Um, but you've had some really good students come through that. And you know, your kids uh so speak to some of you. I know your boys are are like nationally renowned wrestlers now, but you know, kind of speak to some of the guys that came through your program to help you build that dynasty.

SPEAKER_05 36:58

Yeah, they're partners, they're friends. Um, the the group that we have that's wrestling in college right now, we have five kids that are wrestling division one at right now.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Which is amazing, by the way. Yeah, yeah, which is amazing. I mean, that's that's no easy feat. You know, that starts early, early.

SPEAKER_05 37:12

Yeah, they I've been coaching them all since they were six, eight years old, a lot of those kids. Wow. It's a good group of kids, good good families again, good support. And um, the relationships that these guys are all like best friends too, even though they go to different schools, they keep in touch all the time. A lot of talent coming through Palm Desert. Yeah, yeah. It comes in waves, and uh, we got just another solid group of kids coming through. They seem to actually keep getting better as they get younger. You go to like our middle school kids right now, and amazing group coming through. And then you go below that. Some of our elementary kids that are even ahead of those kids. They just can't wow. And they all look up to each other. They look up to the the kids that are in college, and those kids looked up to my older kids that went through college. And so is it like football, like good examples?

SPEAKER_02 37:59

Absolutely. It's easier, good recipe, you know, it's all there. It's easier when you see the guy before you do some things. And I can do it I can do that like him, right? So that that's that's I mean, it's a testament to your program, though. I mean, you gotta build that. That doesn't just happen. It's consistency, character, a couple of things you said.

SPEAKER_07 38:15

So what about so is there a particular starting age?

SPEAKER_05 38:19

Because I mean, what are you can really start at any age or yeah, you can we have a four and five-year-old program for jujitsu and for wrestling, they're separate programs, and not everybody's ready at that time. Sure. It's just some are.

SPEAKER_07 38:31

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Yeah, they can get after it young. And then not even the young, you can even start. Didn't Anthony Bourdain start jujitsu in his 50s or 60s? You can start as late as you want to. You could be an old man like me and jump on the mat. I mean, it's not gonna end well sometimes.

SPEAKER_05 38:46

We got some 70-year-olds in our in our class, and they're all nice, they love it.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

That's cool. I mean, you guys have classes for beginners, right?

SPEAKER_05 38:52

For adult, we have uh one fundamentals class, but everybody's super helpful. I mean, the the uh the way the people are. Anybody can come in new and somebody's gonna help you out. Somebody helped them out when they were new. And so they're gonna take the time to help you out. Right. If I build you up, you just become a better partner for me.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:13

And somebody did it for me, someone's gonna do it for you, and you'll end up doing it for somebody. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:18

And your I your training is or like your your practices are for like an hour and a half, or what? Because I kind of saw some of them.

SPEAKER_05 39:25

So they average right around there. Okay. Some of the younger kids, their attention span's not

Building A School After COVID

SPEAKER_05 39:30

that long. So 40, 45 minutes for the little guys, maybe an hour for you know, six to like 10-year-old range and hour 15 above that, maybe an hour and a half to two hours for the adults.

SPEAKER_07 39:40

Okay. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

Your uh school is kind of known. I mean, if you're in that world, everybody knows this. You guys have been around a long time, you guys produce a lot of champions. What? I mean, then there's a lot of you, you know, you know the guys in your community. There's other guys that operate dojos in your community. Yep. What what would you say though? Separate, like, is this something that makes you guys different? Because you, you know, you guys do turn out a lot of lot of top-notch athletes from your school. Yep. What's one of the things that you would say all these years that that you guys kind of do differently?

SPEAKER_05 40:10

Um, I don't know exactly what they're doing. You know what I mean? I said to compare it to what's different. Right. But um history, good character, good people, you know, that's important to us. Treating people the way you want to be treated, you know, the golden rule. And um just having a good time, you know, make it enjoyable and um helping people get what they're what they're trying to get. Everybody's getting something different. Some are there for fitness, some are there to try to be the best they can be, some are there just to get away from you know something going on in their life, whether it's work or family or health or whatever it is. So trying trying to help each other. We're all we're all going through something.

SPEAKER_07 40:56

And um we all got problems.

SPEAKER_05 40:58

I think you re you make that connection when you're there.

SPEAKER_07 41:01

For sure. That's true.

SPEAKER_05 41:03

We're all going through this together and we're battling together in in the art, but we're also going through things outside of here. And if if something we can help each other in here and take that outside of here, it'll be useful and helpful for sure.

SPEAKER_07 41:17

So you're you mentioned to me earlier that you have a daughter. Do you have one daughter?

SPEAKER_05 41:20

I have one daughter.

SPEAKER_07 41:21

Is she like over, she doesn't want to be involved with it, or she's just like she might be his best. Well, I didn't know. Right?

SPEAKER_02 41:29

She's really good.

SPEAKER_05 41:30

She just made the USA uh 15 and U team this weekend. She went to Washington, she'll represent USA here in July at the Pan American Games.

SPEAKER_07 41:38

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 41:39

She's turning into a pretty, pretty good competitor.

SPEAKER_07 41:43

Yeah. She goes up against her brother.

SPEAKER_05 41:44

She didn't want to compete as a youngster. I was like, You're gonna train, but you don't have to compete. And she didn't want to compete early in her first four or five years of training, maybe even more, before she started to say, I think I want to try. Part of it was like she was watching her brothers and she saw that it was pretty serious and intense and demanding. And I think she was like, I'm I don't know if I'm ready for that. Or even just to be compared to them and to go through that. I mean, she, you know, carrying a little bit of pressure, I think, as you're uh a younger sibling and all your other ones are doing great.

unknown 42:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:16

You're gonna feel some expectations which can take the fun out of it, you know. And um, so I didn't push her to compete, but she's slowly picking it up and and she's starting to believe, like, well, I maybe I can be pretty good at this. Pretty good. And so she's liking it more and more.

SPEAKER_07 42:33

She go up against her brothers.

SPEAKER_05 42:35

Yeah, they beat her up. They're a pretty tough one.

SPEAKER_07 42:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:38

Uh because they know that we treat her probably a little bit different. We try not to, yeah, but they see it. And so they're like, she's not getting off the head.

SPEAKER_02 42:47

We're gonna we're gonna brutalize her one way or another. Little sibling rivalry never hurt nobody. I don't think you know we all could. Not much of a rivalry, but it's yeah, it's a little torture.

SPEAKER_07 42:58

It's worse than a rivalry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Any uh any pupils that's I mean, I know you have some you have some great guys, nationally ranked guys. Your sons are obviously D1 wrestlers, but any pupils over the years that any students that stick out in your mind, their story that some of your some cool stories that stick in your mind about how, you know, how far they've come as a student?

SPEAKER_05 43:18

I mean, there's a lot of them. There's a lot of really good competitors, and there's a lot of guys. There's just so many students that we've had that it's there's I I don't know if I could single one out, but it's just it feels good when you see them overcoming things, you know, overcoming challenges, overcoming tough times in their lives, and using the art to help them through that. I think those are the things that you feel the best about.

SPEAKER_03 43:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:40

Because everybody's going through something. It could be relationship, it could be health, just you know, going through times and not everybody nobody has it figured out, but just being really lost.

SPEAKER_04 43:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:49

And coming to the art and helping that, using that to help them get find their way.

SPEAKER_03 43:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:54

Because that's what it did for me. So that's what feels the best. What it did for me. I was lost. I was uh Had no direction. You know, not just not the best person. You know, not somebody that knew what they wanted, knew where they were going or how they were gonna get there, no direction.

SPEAKER_07 44:13

And it's channeled it.

unknown 44:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 44:16

Channeled it in the right direction. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:18

Um purpose.

SPEAKER_07 44:20

I have a question about like how often would you get hurt? How do you get hurt? I'm sure that plays a part like it does in every sport. Right.

SPEAKER_05 44:29

So what are some of the how do you deal with the problems that come up in life? They're gonna come up. Yeah. You know, can you find a way to do anything, something else? Can you work through it? Can you just manage your way through it, come back better because of it, use it, use it as fuel, use it as a lesson. You know, you gotta use everything. Everything can be good if you wanted to, good and bad. It ha bad things happen to everybody, but what do you do with it? You know, you can use it as a good thing. I broke my leg about almost two years ago. And again, I felt useless. I questioned, like, what am I who am I? I thought am I gonna be able to come back and do this again? There was some some fear, uncertainty, you know, the things that everybody goes through. Questioning yourself. And um you just gotta try your best and and keep trying to work through it and come back better because of it, and and share these experiences with people because they're gonna go through it and helping them through their tough times.

SPEAKER_07 45:29

Yeah. Is there like a typical injury you see?

SPEAKER_05 45:33

Um, I know with football. I mean, yeah. There's always pain in the neck and the shoulders and the knees and different things like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:41

So you'd put any C B D oil on it?

SPEAKER_05 45:43

Or nope. No, I've I've I've had friends give me that and I think I've tried it, but I don't know if it's actually helped.

SPEAKER_07 45:50

It does help for me. Maybe it depends. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

We usually prescribe triactin. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_07 45:55

What's that?

SPEAKER_05 45:56

The full name is triacting like a man. It's kind of a joke we use when somebody's hurt. When somebody's hurt, you know, we tell them to try some triactin. I love that. We tell them, and if they can we can get them to laugh a little bit while they're hurt, then it it helps a little bit in that situation. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 46:12

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 46:13

Acting like a man. You're gonna use that on my phone. Oh, for sure, you guys. That's what it's for. Pass it around. Pass it around. Prescribe it. Yeah. I love it. Supply of it. That's it, man.

SPEAKER_07 46:23

Okay. So you want to hear my business idea for you? Please branch out.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Please.

SPEAKER_07 46:29

I think wives, if they need a little tweaking for their husbands, they hire you guys to come choke them out real quick.

SPEAKER_05 46:38

For sure.

SPEAKER_07 46:39

Put them back in line. For sure. I mean, you're gonna be like the first client in this business. Don't make me feel like that.

SPEAKER_04 46:44

You're gonna be the first client, aren't you?

SPEAKER_05 46:46

But hey, it's gonna work, it's gonna work the other way. The husband might hire one of the girls that trained the bus to do that to the wife.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

I mean we're promoting we're not promoting violence on this show.

SPEAKER_05 46:57

It's gotta work both ways, right?

SPEAKER_07 46:59

I mean, I guess you're right.

SPEAKER_02 47:01

Or triactin, yeah. Triactin, you know. But I like I like it, but uh, and I think you'll be the first point.

SPEAKER_07 47:08

Okay, I have another idea. No, I don't have another idea, but I you mentioned about YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 47:13

So we had a guy in here that like taught himself how to read, like, taught and taught everything off of YouTube.

SPEAKER_05 47:20

Everything's out there.

SPEAKER_07 47:20

It's crazy. So, like, if if so, who's who's teaching the classes on YouTube? Is it you?

SPEAKER_05 47:26

It's not that they're classes, they're just techniques and and lessons, and that started because of COVID. Everybody was doing this kind of pivot. What was everybody doing? Skype, yeah, kind of thing. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Skype classes on the city. I forget what it's called. Zoom. That's what it was in the workout classes. They were doing Zoom, and uh, we didn't do that, but a friend of mine who who helps me out a lot, he helped me with the videos. He's got a great YouTube channel. He's one of our instructors, also, world-famous YouTube guy, Roy Dean. And um, he kind of encouraged me, like, maybe you should do some YouTube channel uh videos, put together a channel, and he put it together for me. He filmed me, he kind of coached me through how to do it. And uh, so that's kind of what we did during COVID. Maybe I can make some videos and put those out there and start a channel, and that's kind of how it started.

SPEAKER_07 48:09

So, could I take your your techniques on YouTube and then come in? Like, say I did it for like a year.

SPEAKER_06 48:16

Did what for a year? Watched your YouTube and you didn't know you gotta just do it though, right?

SPEAKER_07 48:21

And you didn't know I was gonna come in and then just boom, wind on the floor.

SPEAKER_05 48:26

Probably not gonna happen, right? Because you it has to be, of course, you can understand the moves, but it's gotta be with some resistance. Yeah, you gotta understand that there's gonna be resistance, and then what do you do when that happens, right? You can't just force one thing, you gotta move to something else.

unknown 48:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:40

Well, I have a 15, I'm gonna be 15-year-old who gives me plenty of resistance. He always wants to like tackle me.

SPEAKER_05 48:48

You should have beat him up while you could have. That's what I say. Beat him up while you could know, man. Just a matter of time. Yeah, too big now. You're little, you're worried, you're like, I don't want to hurt this guy. And then now he's in a year, it's like, man, this guy's gonna beat me up.

SPEAKER_07 49:01

I'm still gonna try. Yeah. Yeah, you we should hear some of our conversations. Like, mom, if you were playing in an NFL, would do you think you could, you know, tackle so and so. And I'm like, yep.

SPEAKER_05 49:12

Yeah. Of course. Sure. And he's just like, I guess you gotta believe until you prove your own.

SPEAKER_07 49:18

I believe in myself.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

You definitely have self-confidence, honey. That's for sure. Um, you kind of spoke to this already. Um, but you know, we've all had help getting to where we've gotten in life, right? You're well respected in our community, you know. But how, you know, we all got mentors and people that kind of helped us along the way. Who kind of helped you um get to where you're at, some of your mentors and teachers.

SPEAKER_05 49:40

So many people have helped me. So many people. It's uh it's tough, you know, to to name just one or or a few. Yeah. Obviously, Glenn was the first one, but there's a lot of older everybody helps me. I learn from everybody. I share their ideas, they share their problems of things they're going through, and I just anything somebody says, I take it. How can I use that? How can I apply that to me? How can I be better from that? And um, there's so many people. Right. Um a lot of the older people, they'll be more, you know, coaches to me. Hey, you should do this and try this, and what do you think about this? I just feel like you know, you have a right to do that. Sometimes maybe somebody who's a lower rank doesn't have the confidence to talk to me that way, but I still see them and hear them talking to other people and I I pick it up. But yeah, so many people have been helpful. Like I'm so grateful for for everybody.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

Yeah, sounds like everybody sounds like you built quite a community over at your at your dojo. I mean so blessed. Yeah. There's a lot of lot of pe helping hands over there. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:42

Everybody, everybody. Great guys in the community. They all do something. They all it could be anybody. Like they they all have different traits and and things that they do for their careers, and I could just call on any of them and they would be there for me. They would all be there for each other. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 50:55

So I saw on your website, like you said, um, there was like a firefighters class or there was something like that, right?

SPEAKER_05 51:01

Um a law enforcement first responders class.

SPEAKER_07 51:05

Oh my God. Tell me about that. How did Um No?

SPEAKER_05 51:07

I don't really do that class. I don't I'm not one of those people, but I I do pop in there once in a while and kind of watch a little bit. And I just I have great guys that are running it.

SPEAKER_07 51:15

But they felt there was a need, right? Because I mean, like, well for sure.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

Yeah. The cops need to don't you think cops should all have a basic understanding of jujitsu. Like, take somebody down.

SPEAKER_05 51:26

In Japan, you have to have a black belt and judo to become a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Yeah, this makes sense. Yeah, it just makes sense. Like self-control too.

SPEAKER_05 51:32

You've gone through so many things. Um so many situations of struggle, and you're tested and you have self-control. Yeah. I think that's the issue that sometimes people have a hard time with is overreacting or not being prepared for a situation and how to deal with it. So I think it's really important and useful. Yeah. And we got great instructors that that run it.

SPEAKER_07 51:55

Because when we go to the gym, we see the the fire departments there all the time and they're working out and they're doing this and they're doing that. Because obviously that's they have to do that. So um, do any of them go to your class?

SPEAKER_05 52:08

I got some some great firefighters. Some firefighters that are black belts, purple belts, blue belts. I got some young men that are in school right now to become firefighters.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

So runs a gamut. Definitely. Those firefighters gotta stay in shape, man, because they could be out on the line for you know 12 hours.

SPEAKER_05 52:25

Yeah, they're they're in some of the best shape. You got those little gyms there. When they're not doing it, they're

Injuries Mindset And Physical Chess

SPEAKER_05 52:30

eating good and working out. They're able to do it kind of as their job sometimes. Right.

SPEAKER_07 52:34

Speaking of eating good, what do you what do you guys if if I signed up for a class and I just keep saying to myself, sorry about that. But like, would you say, hey, you know, you really start, you got to start eating this way, you know, and then kind of, or you just don't give a shit. And you just well, yeah, I don't mean that like that, but you know what I mean? You just it's both. Is that what you're doing?

SPEAKER_05 52:54

But I think um when you're young, you can get away with that stuff a little bit more as you get older. You notice that, hey, yeah, this doesn't make me feel very good, or this is sticking to me a little bit more than it used to. Yeah. And again, you're looking for any advantage, you're trying to improve any way you can, right? As a person, as an athlete, as a parent, as a husband, you're trying to do anything you can to improve. And as you start to improve, you just feel amazing, right? You feel different. Like when I when I've gone through phases where I've eaten really good, I'm like, man, how far can I take this? Like, how much better can I feel? I can't believe you don't realize it when you're in the rut of not eating good. It just feels normal. Then as you start to clean up, you feel really good. And again, people see that and that stuff becomes contagious. We have that at our gym all the time. Somebody's going through a phase where they're just cleaning up their life and you just see them change. Yeah. You watch their body change, you watch their personality change, and you're like, I'm gonna do it. Look at what it's doing for him. And you become an example. Yeah. You start doing better and better things, you just become an example for other people. It could be your kids, it could be your spouse, it could be anybody. But um and that's kind of where I'm at. I've just realized that I'm like an example, and I need to not just do better for myself, but I need to do better for all the people around me. Yeah. Be the example and um be an inspiration, you know, if I can. If I can inspire somebody to want to do better, sometimes that's more of a reason to do it than even for yourself. Sometimes you'll do more for other people than you'll do for yourself.

SPEAKER_07 54:22

Well, it's always better to give than receive, is what I tell my kids. For sure. Always. It's just you just feel great.

SPEAKER_05 54:27

Yeah. You don't realize it at the time. You have to do for yourself to be worth something given.

SPEAKER_07 54:34

That is true. Okay, I have another thing. So a lot of people are on the shot, Ozempic, those kinds of things, right? And they're losing weight, they're they're losing the what is it, the weight. No, they're muscle, muscle, muscle. So are you are you seeing that come into your um I'm sure there's people that are doing it.

SPEAKER_05 54:52

I don't know if I've had anybody tell me they're doing it.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 54:55

And um, I don't know what the long-term effects on that are. I don't think anybody does. And I know there's usually uh a price for a shortcut in anything you do, right? If you're gonna take a shortcut, there might be a a cost. Right. So I don't know what that is, what the long-term effects are, and I guess we'll see as time goes.

SPEAKER_07 55:15

I guess what I'm because I I guess I didn't make that kind of my clear. I never do. What I'm saying, because you just said I see people's bodies change. Yes. So I'm wondering if somebody came in and they have muscle loss, working with you and stuff would, I'm assuming it could.

SPEAKER_05 55:31

I I think your body's gonna adapt to what you're doing. So for some person who's not strong or weak, they might put on muscle. For somebody who's heavy and carrying weight they're not using, they might lose weight. Their body, I think you become what you do. And if you do it enough, your body will adjust in the ways that will be helpful. Yeah, it'll it'll gain its advantages. So everybody's different. It might you might grow, you might shrink, depending on where you're starting and where you're trying to go again. The diet's gonna be part of it.

SPEAKER_07 56:00

That's true. Do you do you guys work out? Or is it what you do? I workout.

SPEAKER_05 56:05

I do, and yes. Well, what they do is like I know your buttons, your cardio. Again, people are looking for advantages. Wait, can I get stronger? Can I get faster? Can I be lighter? Like what can I be just whatever you feel an advantage might be for you? You can try to work on that area and see if it is. And it might not be. Getting stronger might slow you down and tighten you up, and it might turn out to be a disadvantage.

SPEAKER_00 56:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:27

Being flexible is an advantage. Being strong, being fast, but being good, and having it's problem solving. So you gotta go study. You gotta go work on, you know, learning the answers. And if you get tested, hopefully you you studied and you have the answers.

SPEAKER_07 56:42

Yeah.

unknown 56:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

Jiu-Jitsu's been described as like physical chess, right? Because it's like a it's a when you've got guys that are the same with a level, it's all mental, right?

SPEAKER_05 56:51

You can make it a game, it's a lot more fun.

SPEAKER_06 56:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:53

Just like playing a video game. You know, you play the video game, you get to the end, and you want to pass this guy at the end, and you start to learn his patterns. Okay, he throws high and I duck, and you gotta get killed a bunch of times though. Yeah, yeah. Before you start to memorize these patterns, and then you start to find the answers, and that's what it is. It's a game. You can make it a fight and just go struggle for struggle, but that's not as fun.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:15

Yeah, because if you're if you're going up against the same guy, you already know kind of what he's gonna do.

SPEAKER_05 57:19

Wouldn't you wouldn't you kind of so there's little, little adjustments in that. Okay, last time he did this, I'm gonna do this, and next. And you kind of you have a good friend who, hey, you didn't do that last time. I made a little adjustment. And so you make these little adjustments, so there's some fine-tuning, little adjusting that goes on when you go with a the same person a lot. And then when you go with somebody you've never gone with, they can present a whole new problem. Like, oh, I didn't, I never had to deal with that, that weight or that strength or that technique. Yeah, I better figure that out. It's never ending. That's what keeps people addicting, I think. Addicted to it. It's uh there's always something to work on and improve at.

SPEAKER_02 57:54

Yeah. And the mental thing is kind of cool. Just challenge yourself to fix that problem, right?

SPEAKER_07 57:59

Yeah, I have another question. So you're so you're fighting against somebody. What is so are you typically making somebody tap out?

SPEAKER_05 58:07

Is that the way to like, or you just get so many points or you don't talk about you're trying to for for the most part, you're trying to catch them on their mistakes, show them where they made a mistake and and how they can not make that mistake again, right? Make them pay for it. Yeah, make them pay for their mistake. And sometimes you gotta you gotta make the same mistake a bunch of times to for it to sink in. But is it always learn on the first try? No.

SPEAKER_07 58:29

It's a difficult chokehold though, right?

SPEAKER_05 58:31

Or how do you like there's just a lot of different ways to get there, a lot of different paths to get to these not just choke holes.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

There's all kinds of different ways to stick to it. Joking with your arms, you can tie that thing around them and really strangle them with it. No, you can't.

SPEAKER_06 58:47

Oh, you can. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Arm bars, there's all kinds of ways to really get it.

SPEAKER_05 58:51

Bent arm, bent up, bent down, straighten up.

SPEAKER_02 58:54

They can get you your shoulder in a lock and you have to tap up because it's gonna pop out. So there's all kinds. Yeah, not just one way. So that's fun. Yeah, it is it's funny. It is check it is choke you out. Is that checkers? It's chess, you know. Um, what's next for the school? What are you seeing in the next uh you know a couple of years?

SPEAKER_05 59:11

Just improving, man. Just trying to help as many people as we can as we can. And if we grow, we grow, and we we we will. Yeah, you know, just through word of mouth and trying to do good. Yeah. Trying to help people. You guys have already grown. Get where they're trying to go, you know. People everybody's trying to get somewhere, and we can help them get there.

SPEAKER_07 59:29

So, like you've seen again in our in football, now you have a lot of girls playing flag football and things like that. Are you is the girl part growing for your community?

SPEAKER_05 59:39

Yes. Yes. Jiu Jitsu, it's growing big time. I mean, everybody wants their daughter to be able to defend themselves. Absolutely. The daughter's gonna go off to college one day. You want to feel good that hey, if she ever has to, I hope she can defend herself, you know, a little bit, at least for a while, you know, until maybe more help comes. Just something. You're gonna feel better about that. Girls wrestling is like one of the fastest growing sports right now. It's one of the easiest scholarships for girls to get is girls wrestling. It's blowing up for sure. Girls' sports in general. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:12

Yeah, for sure. They're they're pretty great. I mean, they're surprising a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

A lot of opportunities that did not exist when you were coming up for sure. You know, there's all kinds of different opportunities. My daughter's, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:24

Proof of that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:25

Yeah. And a lot of the younger girls look up to her. She helps coach the kids' classes and she's a good example. She's a good kid, and she's good at what she does. So parents see that and they have somebody to look up to and give their their daughters, you know, an example.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:41

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:42

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:44

Um, I'm kind of running up against time here, but we always like to ask our entrepreneurs what advice would you give to somebody maybe is thinking about starting a school, maybe getting into your line of work. What what advice would you give that person?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:58

Um, go for it. Um There's gonna be tough times, just like anything, right? And you gotta work through it, you gotta pro problem solve and do it for the right reasons. You love it and you wanna help people. Right? If you can do those things, if you can love it and be able to help people along the way, you'll probably be happy and and you'll grow.

unknown 1:01:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:21

Passion. It's all about growth too, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:24

Consistency, passion.

unknown 1:01:26

I love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:27

Well, you're a star in our community, man. I appreciate that. Yeah, we're happy to have.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:31

I don't think of myself as an entrepreneur, but uh, I mean, but you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:34

I mean, you if you if you think about it, you've you've been an entrepreneur, right? Coach, yeah. Who happens to be a business owner? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:41

And that's uh I'll I'll make I'm gonna say one more thing before we go. So the reason I heard about you is because Troy's my client, right? And then I he'd say, Oh, what time do you got? You got some time? Uh I have jujitsu from this time to this time. Yeah, and so I was like, so he he talks about it often. And then he's talking to me about we went out to dinner not too long ago, and he was talking about you and your your boys and and what you've created and your girl. Um, and so that's when I was like, ask him if he'll come in. So thank you so much for coming in. Thank you guys for having me. Appreciate it. Giving us the opportunity to learn more. Told you we'd learn more. I've learned a ton.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Learned a lot today. Um,

Where To Train And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_02 1:02:20

where's the best place to check you out? Check the school out. Where's where can they find you? You can come see us.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:24

We're right off Cook Street, 75150 Cheryl Avenue. Okay, it's our new location. And uh, everybody's welcome. Website cbbjj.com and um our YouTube channel, CBBJJ Online.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:38

Those are probably the best places. Call me up, come see us.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

All right, and you're taking give it a try. And you're taking new students. Always, always so hey, hear that, hear that, guys. They're taking new students.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:50

Hear that, Mace?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

I said that they want to do it.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:54

He's not into it.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:55

I'm like it's a little scary. It's scary at first, and it's tough, right? Everything's hard at first.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:59

He's strong and he's got these massive hands. Like, oh my god. So I think it would be good.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

It would probably be great if he wants to.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:07

And anybody else? Anybody else this is the best, probably the best school pound for pound in the valley. So check him out and just pull up, right? Just pull up and check out a class. People can come in and just see what you guys are all about before they commit to anything, right? Definitely. Awesome. Well, Danty, appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for coming so much. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:25

Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

This was awesome, man. If you guys found some value in this conversation, you know the routine. Like, subscribe, and follow. And we'll see you next time on Stevie Heart.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:35

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SPEAKER_01 1:03:49

Like a wet coast tide.