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Paws, Reflect & Heal with Dr. Randy
How Ozone Therapy Can Help Your Pet with Jonathan Lowe
Summary
In this episode, Dr. Randy interviews Jonathan Lowe, the leading expert in ozone therapy in veterinary medicine. They discuss the benefits and applications of ozone therapy, as well as its misconceptions and challenges. They also highlight the importance of integrative and holistic approaches in veterinary care. They share stories of successful cases where ozone therapy has helped treat conditions such as cancer, arthritis, and gastrointestinal issues in animals. They also break down the current research and ongoing studies in the field of ozone therapy. Jonathan explains how pet owners can incorporate ozone therapy at home with the assistance of O3Vets. Listen to hear upcoming events and training courses related to ozone therapy!
Takeaways
- Ozone therapy is a natural biological modifier that helps the body function more efficiently and effectively. It can be used for a variety of conditions, including chronic autoimmune disorders, cancer, and inflammation.
- Ozone therapy is not widely practiced in veterinary medicine, with only a small percentage of veterinarians incorporating it into their practice.
- Finding a veterinarian who offers ozone therapy can be challenging, but resources like O3Vets can help locate practitioners. O3Vets also provides training and equipment for pet owners who want to incorporate Ozone therapy at home.
- Integrative and holistic approaches to veterinary care are essential in providing comprehensive and effective treatment options. Ozone therapy has shown promising results in treating various conditions in animals, including cancer, arthritis, and gastrointestinal issues.
- Research on ozone therapy in veterinary medicine is growing, with studies being conducted in different areas such as osteoarthritis and infectious diseases.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
01:30 Jonathan Lowe's Background and Introduction to Ozone Therapy
04:07 From Personal Experience to Creating O3 Vets
08:03 The Importance of Open-Mindedness in Veterinary Medicine
11:36 Addressing Misconceptions about Ozone Therapy
19:30 Different Applications of Ozone Therapy
23:21 The Limited Adoption of Ozone Therapy in Veterinary Practice
24:26 Finding Veterinarians Who Offer Ozone Therapy
25:05 Success Stories and Limitations of Ozone Therapy
26:10 The Role of Integrative and Holistic Approaches in Veterinary Care
27:09 Su
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Recently had um a a young gal with me from Louisiana State University and she's a fourth year vet student there. And and it was interesting to me um what what sometimes can be scary to me or concerning is uh so many of the things that I do in my practice, um she had no idea what I was talking about, you know, and and I'm I often make the the um the comparison of you look at prescription diets in veterinary medicine and you have these big companies in Hills and Science Diet and Royal Canaan and Mars. And uh, you know, they do a lot of research, they do a lot of work uh on their products and to promote what they do. Yet um, you know, so often they're not the right product for my patient in what I'm looking for in a longevity and wellness situation. Welcome everybody to Pause, Reflect, and Heal podcast with Dr. Randy Aronson. I am that person, and we uh we welcome you to the podcast today. Uh, we've had some great listener feedback and some great questions. I want to remind you, you can reach me at www.dr drandypetvet.com. Uh articles, podcasts are there. Uh all of the questions and comments that you have, there's a telephone number you can call in on voice over internet, or uh please feel free to get a hold of me. But love to bring your questions to the show. Uh, we have had a lot of interest about what we're going to talk about today. And um, I'm very, very excited to have a very good friend of mine and probably I think the leading expert in this in this area in veterinary medicine, uh, my good friend Jonathan Lowe from O3 Vets. Uh Jonathan has uh uh a great history and uh can really feed us some great information about this topic. And uh, you know, we really want to develop this so that people understand uh why this uh exists in integrative medicine, why people are using it, what the future is. And uh, of course, you know, this is all about healing your pets and longevity and wellness, which is what we address all the time on uh Dr. Randy PetFett. So, Jonathan, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to talk to you. Absolutely. So, um, Jonathan, tell our listeners a little bit about your bio and your past. I hate reading bios, but I love you to kind of introduce yourself and and tell them exactly where uh where you came from and what where you know what brings you to this point now, and then we can talk a lot more about ozone and of course about O3 Beths.
SPEAKER_00:Cool. Well, um I I won't go all the way back to where I came from, but I am human and uh I'm uh I'm you know, uh in all seriousness, so it kind of started as a family affair. Um, and uh so I got into this area of ozone therapy um probably about 10 uh 12 to 13 years ago, so it's been over a decade now, um, and was working on the human side with some some of my family members. Um, and then nope, I I recognized pretty quickly on that nobody was doing this for animals. And and in fact, we were we were working more with ultraviolet blood irradiation, which is a totally it's a different treatment, but it it works in synergy with ozone. And we were going to some ozone conferences uh because those were happening all around the US and the world for human medicine, and we were you know working on that other stuff and realized I realized very quickly ozone was a very powerful modality. I was listening to a lot of lectures from these MDs and PhDs and different people, uh, naturopaths and different doctors who are using this in human medicine. I was pretty impressed with how they were using it from joint injections to cancer treatments to uh different longevity uh-related uh preventative medicine techniques and stuff. So I was like, wow, this is really powerful. Um and then I went to an HVMA conference, a holistic veterinary conference, which I'd never been to anything like that before on the animal side, and uh there was nobody um promoting ozone therapy except for a few veterinarians who kind of were doing it themselves in their clinics. And so it just kind of snowballed from there of just seeing the opportunity, the need, and trying to fill that niche.
SPEAKER_01:So uh when you got that information and and you were you know obviously very impressed with what was out there, uh, what was the next step for you? I mean, what what happened from there to jump to you actually creating uh your company O3 Vets?
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, like you said, it's first seeing that as a powerful tool. Um, and so I experienced some of that myself. I had some injections for my knee. Um and uh so I think oftentimes we get things done for us, and then when we see have it done for us or our pet and we see the power of it, then we're all all of a sudden convinced. It's a funny thing because we can look at a hundred medical studies that say, hey, this is what happened, but until it actually happens to us, um we often don't really believe it, or don't pay it much mind, at least. Um, and so the next step for me after that was was uh just starting to develop some go to some of the veterinary events and develop some equipment and protocols that would help veterinarians implement this in their practices.
SPEAKER_01:And um I may comment that uh Jonathan does this very well. Uh you know, the uh the ease of someone like myself who had no experience in ozone many years ago to where we are today using it, you know, almost daily in our practice is pretty incredible. Um I love your story about um your your injections because people often ask me on my integrative side, like, how did you like bring this into your practice? And I go, many times it was me, you know, many times there were things that I was missing in in my health and wellness. Uh, I looked at them, I looked at the research, and and you know, a lot of times in in many modalities, we we don't get the double blind studies that we really want scientifically because uh you know most people can't see how to capitalize. You know, I I give the example often about garlic. You know, no one's gonna do a double-blind study in animals to show that garlic is a great immune um helper, but because you know, if they did that, they wouldn't be able to make any money selling garlic. So, you know, often that's where these things get driven, as you know. But, you know, people like you and myself look at these things and look at you know what's happening, and and we, you know, often we have to go outside of the US uh because of FDA constrictions and stuff like that. You know, look at what's happening in Cuba or Russia or in Europe and and pull that information, and and you've done that incredibly well. So congratulations, because uh, you know, you made me a believer very quickly, and and and then uh for me, experiential medicine, every day using it and seeing what it can do for my pets, um, has been such a godsend. So so again, uh, you know, thank you for that because it really is great.
SPEAKER_00:And just to add on to what you're saying, you know, it's I appreciate that. I feel indebted to to you and to other veterinarians like you, um, because uh I I uh you are the type of person who will accept a treatment at face value for what it can do. Not that you don't look at the research, of course you do. Um, but it's not like, well, I haven't heard about this at, you know, I live right next to Michigan State University, so I haven't heard about this at MSU. Um, so I'm not gonna really even pay it any mind. I'm not gonna think about the fact that it might be helpful. There, I've I I deal with and interface with different uh professors and veterinarians who think that way, and I'm sure you do as well. Uh, they won't listen to anything unless they've heard it from their university or a higher source. Um, whereas it's hard to find a veterinarian, there's not that many of them like yourself who think outside the box to begin with and are willing to just say this is common sense medicine, it works, I'm gonna provide it.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right. You know, and thank you for that. I I I agree with you. And uh, it's funny because I just um I often have uh fourth-year students from all over the country shadowing me. And I recently had um a young gal with me from Louisiana State University, and she's a fourth-year vet student there. And and it was interesting to me, um, what what sometimes can be scary to me or concerning is uh so many of the things that I do in my practice, um, she had no idea what I was talking about, you know, and and I'm I often make the the um the comparison of you look at prescription diets in veterinary medicine, and you have these big companies in Hills and Science Diet and Royal Canaan and Mars. And uh, you know, they do a lot of research, they do a lot of work uh on their products and to promote what they do. Yet, you know, so often they're not the right product for my patient in what I'm looking for in a longevity and wellness situation. And I think, you know, we could attribute the same kind of things to ozone, really, and and some of those therapies. Um and I'm always looking for, as you know, I'm always looking for that protege that I can turn on to all the things that I've learned because, you know, um I was just talking to a really good friend of mine's an integrative MD. And you know, you've got to pick and choose to bring it into your practice. It's it's not readily available. It's not, you know, that I'm not gonna be able to go to a course on nutrition and say, oh, you know, we need to get these simple carbs out of that diet. We need to improve the quality of their protein. You know, do you know what I'm saying? So it's it makes it a little bit more difficult, but uh, but I'm glad that there's us around, you and I and and all the people like-minded that are promoting and it's and you know, it's getting bigger. That's what I love to see. You know, I I had a conversation a couple weeks ago with Gary Richter, Dr. Gary Richter, uh, another found, you know, founder in in the integrative world and veterinary medicine. And and you know, we definitely see it growing. And and the nice thing is is that things like this podcast brings the public into the fray, and they're saying, you know, well, maybe I should really be looking for someone who can do this because my pet is doing this, this, and this, and it may have applicability.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I just saw a statistic recently that said uh only about six percent of veterinary clinics offer integrative care, and uh 64% of uh pet guardians want something, want integrative options. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. It was uh it was interesting. I, you know, I I think you knew I I did a a national radio show for 10 years, and we talked so much about some of these things, and uh so often, you know, the listener would say, God, I I didn't know about, you know, let's say ozone, or I didn't know about the uses of uh vitamin B12 in this situation or or biome research. Um, how come my vet doesn't do that? And and I'm always in a little bit of a tight spot where that happens, and I go, you know, because everybody's comfortable in what they do and what they know and what they want to look at. And you know, sometimes it does take looking outside the box, like you mentioned, to really bring some of these things in uh and give us some great treatment modalities. Um, so I I want to ask you um um to talk a little bit about ozone because you know, you know and I know if you go on the internet, uh, the first thing that comes up is FDA says ozone's a toxic gas. And and you know, that's like the that's the first thing that client hits me with is like, did you see what the internet said? And I say I try not to because because we know better. So let's talk a little bit about ozone and and you know what it is, and and and you know, and then we can talk about its uses and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00:Sure, yeah. Well, that's a great starting point. Thank you for bringing that up, you know. It is a toxic gas. It is a toxic gas. That's the problem. And if they their statement stopped there, it would be okay because that's true. And I'll explain that. Um it's good, good, good. It's it's not something that we want to breathe in. Uh ozone does irritate the lung lining. So the the fault of antioxidants to protect the lungs, you know, the the absence of enough antioxidants to protect our lungs makes it uh hazardous if we breathe too much ozone at high enough concentrations. Um so that's one of the ways we don't administer ozone is by by breathe breathing ozone gas. That's that's what we want to avoid. Now, everybody breathes a little bit of ozone every day, it's just in our environment. The question is how much? I kind of liken it to smoking a cigarette. You know, you smoke a cigarette and it's not gonna kill you. Um you smoke it for years and years and years, and it could really damage your lungs. Um so uh so yeah, it is a toxic gas if we breathe it in like that. We don't administer it that way. And the if you go on with that statement that the FDA has, um they say it's a toxic gas with no known medical use because if you wanted to use it in the doses necessary to inactivate the pathogens in the body, you would you would basically kill the person or the animal. So they're likening or they're they're viewing ozone therapy as only an antimicrobial. And they're also talking about ozone therapy as an antimicrobial that you would apply internally, which is not how it works. When we use ozone externally, we can use it as an antimicrobial, and it can be used safely that way in oils and in fluids and sometimes in limbagging, um, and we can talk about those methods in a minute. But uh when we use it internally, we don't use it as an antimicrobial, we use it as a uh as something that signal that helps basically the cells communicate better, that provides a stimulant, we call it oxidative preconditioning, um, which basically just means that we're we're putting a little bit of oxidative stress, controlled oxidative stress, on the body, which in turn kick starts a cascade of positive effects. Production of antioxidants, the the uh kind of kickstarting this redox signaling mechanism that that helps the cells communicate between each other to turn off or turn on different transcription factors that say, hey, you need to produce interleukins, or hey, you need to produce these heat shock proteins to protect the body. You know, that's what ozone does internally. And so the FDA um just showed that they really probably didn't care to speak the truth about this, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right, right.
SPEAKER_00:They just wanted to shut it down, and so they make this statement in the 70s and they haven't changed it since.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Um, you know, it obviously, as you and I know, that could be quite damaging for those of us that know it's it's great benefits and whatnot. Um, and we're gonna explore more of that as we talk, um, obviously. Um, so so um, you know, you you went to you you you had experience with your own situation, um, and then um the thought was um with O3 Vets, let's create this company where we can supply this information to veterinarians along with you know the equipment that's necessary and the safe practice. And and you know, when uh those of us that are enlisted in in O3Vet and and we use the things from Jonathan's company, um, there, you know, there are books involved, there are pamphlets involved, there is equipment that's um, you know, very um very safe and and easy to use in the practice. Um, and it really makes uh our life as veterinarians and veterinary technicians great to be able to administer this this product. One of the things that was interesting, Jonathan, and I don't know if I shared this with you, but a dear friend of mine who I've done some podcasts with is an integrative MD here in town, and he uh he went all through Frank Schallenberger's c course in in Nevada, and and he shared that with me early on. Uh uh, you know, Dr. Schallenberger, if people don't know, is kind of, I call him like the godfather of MD Ozone. I'm sure that there's probably other people that stand out, but in in our world, close to the United States, this this guy is using this you know all the time uh and getting incredible results. Uh so you know, it was such a confirmation for me. Like here I am looking at it, talking to you, um, going to conferences, learning, learning more about what ozone can and can't do. And then, you know, uh, here is my my MD friend who's using it in for joint injections, or along with pollotherapy, you know, in in acupuncture points. And uh it was really it was just totally fascinating how it kind of spiraled for me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, there that's one of the real benefits of ozone therapy. You just talk about some of the ways it can be administered, and I think that's a relevant discussion here for your listeners, because uh if you bring a pet to Dr. Randy, let's say, or to other veterinarians like him, um you you can administer ozone in 14, 15 different ways to date. And that makes it very versatile and very um user-friendly. Uh so when a dog comes in and they have osteoarthritis, um, we can do joint injections or even rectal insufflation or major autohemotherapy. We can do some systemic ways of in of getting ozone to the patient, which helps to decrease inflammation. And we can do some local ways of getting ozone right into that joint, let's say, um, to also help to decrease inflammation and increase um oxygen utilization and uptake into the body. Um, and so it's uh it's effective in um a number of disorders. I would say anything that that has inflammation associated with it, which some people say that's everything. Um, you know, but inflammation is a huge, huge issue, uh, and it's a central issue for many diseases. Um and uh and so I think I think ozone has a real place in medicine, period, not just veterinary medicine, um, to help patients live better lives, um, and even uh preventatively to help people and pets who are healthy to live healthier lives and and longer lives. Um and so, man, you want tools like that in your toolbox.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no question. I think the next place to go for this conversation, if it makes sense, is maybe talking about all the different applications. And I know there's so many of them. And maybe then we can kind of uh circle back to certain conditions that that seem to respond, you know, you know, very well to the situation and kind of how how it's used. So um it makes sense to talk about application first, or do you think?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, sure. So I like to separate them into two different categories, systemic and local. Um and so systemic ozone therapy is for like cancer patients, it's for patients who are have a chronic autoimmune disorder, maybe. Um, it could be uh a metabolic disorder sometimes. Um so those things that are more chronic conditions usually. Um it could be diarrhea and vomiting, you know, then we don't know that what's going on really. Um so um that's a possibility as well. But something, so we in those cases we'll do rectal insufflation. It's just infusing ozone gas rectally, which is really good for absorption. So suppositories actually are more effective than pills because the absorption through the rectal colon lining is so so good. Um, same thing with ozone gas. So we can do it that way. Super simple way to do it in the clinic or sometimes at home. Uh, some pet guardians are doing it at home. Major autohemotherapy is removing blood and infusing it with ozone, putting it back in the bloodstream. That's another way we do it systemically. Um, and then subcutaneous ozonated saline is another way we can do it systemically. And then you get into, you know, there's ways you can only do it in the clinic. You can't do it at home, like intraperitoneal. So you do an injection um intraperitoneally, and that's that's something that can be done that's been effective. And it's one of the ways that it's used in the lab, of course, because the it's an easy, fast way to get ozone uh systemically for like mice and rats. So they'll do it on in studies, oftentimes. Sure. Um, they'll do it in the vet clinic though as well. Um, and the same thing uh with uh joint injections into the knee, into the hips, into the you know, uh beside the spinal cord sometimes, um, paravertebral injections. Um, there's some easy ways to do it, ozonated saline topically for hot spots, dermatitis, wounds, rash, you know, those types of things, or ozonated oils. Ozone oils are the only thing that will actually capture and hold ozone for an extended period of time. Because ozone is a gas and it's a reactive gas, so it breaks down really quick. So in gas in gaseous form, or in um when we infuse it into like saline, it'll break down in 30 to minutes to an hour. Uh and and then you know, you can't use it. Um, but when we bubble it through an oil for an extended period of time, the oil traps has what we call double bonds, and it traps the ozone as an ozonide, which is a less reactive form of ozone, and then you can use that oil topically for years. Um, so that's a that's an easy way to apply it. Um there's you know, there's other ways we can uh we can apply it as well. Um, but those are a few of the more common ways uh that we'll use it in in the veterin practice.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right. Um so when um we talked about some some applications which we just mentioned, and uh I think uh my question or or or a question we've had is um do you have any idea how many people in the United States are incorporating ozone into their bet practice right now? Yeah. Any any idea on our guess?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so there's there's over 80,000 veterinarians in the United States. Okay, so that gives you an idea of the number. Now, of those 80,000-ish, well there's there there's there's maybe about 5,000 that are a little bit more holistic minded or integrative minded. Um and and then of those, let's say the vast majority of ozone veterinarians are more holistic or integrative at this point, because it's not something that's taught in the universities uh to date, and the FDA has that one statement that doesn't help. Um but you know, the so of those 5,000, you're looking at probably less than 500 who use ozone therapy. Um, so that means that you know you have some states where there's 30, 40 veterinarians who'll do ozone, and some states where there's zero. Um and so there's there's a likelihood you know that you won't have somebody awful close to your to your house that does it.
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SPEAKER_01:And that's unfortunate. And um, just as an aside, just as an aside, if someone was interested in finding a veterinarian like myself who did ozone, do you at O3Vets keep a registry and and and kind of help people locate somebody if it if that's possible?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so if you go to o3vets.com, right in our main menu, you can there's a find a vet um tab, and you can find a veterinarian who does ozone therapy, hopefully, in your area. That's the yeah, that's the best place to find them.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Makes sense. Um, you know, um it's I think uh another thing that always helps list, you know, understand some of this is maybe talking about some cases or some examples of uh of success stories. I know you get them all the time. I certainly can list some also. Maybe we could talk a little bit about um, you know, since we've talked about application and the different modes, maybe we can talk about some some case examples that people might say, well, you know, would it be applicable for my dog with with cancer? And and or would it be applicable in osteoarthritis or or and then I would love to talk about some of the preventative stuff or proactive stuff too with it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um it is a very, very powerful tool. So I would I say for the vast majority of cases, it is something that well could be uh a missing part of the piece of the puzzle for you. Um and there's some pretty amazing cases that we've seen through the years. At the same time, I I I want to give that with a caveat and say it it doesn't cure every pet. In fact, I I talked with a lady yesterday um who called. Uh we did a quick Zoom meeting, and her dog was right there on her lap. And um, you know, we always encourage, I'm I I myself am not a veterinarian, so we work with veterinarians. They typically send clients to us to get ozone therapy equipment if they're gonna do it at home, let's say. And uh so um in this case, uh there was a malignant melanoma, um, oral melanoma that was just massive, you know. And and uh I I'm not a veterinarian, so I don't give them veterinary advice, but in those types of cases, I'm very cautious and saying in saying, yeah, this is gonna this is gonna do it for you, you know, because I don't want to give false hope. Sure. Um but man, there's some I I one of the the uh stories that I love that stands out is um a guy by the name uh Dan Ahrens, a veterinarian who's now retired um in Texas, uh, who came to one of our training courses and he gave me this testimony. He's like, Yeah, we got ozone in and and we had this cancer case come to us. It was uh a cardiac cancer that had metastasized to the lungs and the liver, and it was just really looking hopeless because it was spreading so quickly. And uh he said they had an ultrasound done that confirmed that um at Texas AM. And then um it's like well we can we can try this, you know. It's a new tool for us, we want to give it a shot. Um so they did ozone with the the ultraviolet, which we we work with as well a little bit. Um and they did five treatments, which isn't a standard protocol, but they did five treatments that first week, I believe.
SPEAKER_01:Um and then Oh wow, okay, a lot, that's a lot.
SPEAKER_00:So it was a lot, it was a lot, and then um they did uh I think one treatment, one or two treatments per week for the next couple weeks. And they had it ultrasounded again and they couldn't find any cancer. It was it was miraculous. You know, it was really incredible. Um another case that I that comes to mind is uh there was uh a Sheltie, just a young Sheltie, it was 16 months old, I think. Um, and uh it had uh polyarthritis, myostitis. It was just really, really painful. Um an autoimmune disorder, it seems like, you know, was going on something there. They they they couldn't quite get the handle on it, had been feeding it the tons of you know, standard medications and and different uh uh oral and IM and you know everything, kind of hitting it with everything. Um and she she responded positively for a few weeks and then just started to go downhill, you know, from there. And they're like, Well, this is euthanasia time, you know, we can't sustain this. Um and so they brought her to a integrative veterinarian who said, let's try, let's try ozone. Um, and so they started doing treatments. Uh, I believe it was again, I think it this this might have been rectal instaflation and it might have been major autohemotherapy they were doing. Um sometimes it's a combo uh treatment, it depends on the case, but um, they started doing weekly treatments. Um and after four weeks, this dog started to be able to wean off medications that it was on. Um, they the after eight weeks, they fully weaned her off the different medications she was on. Uh she became pain-free and actually went forward into the rest of her life. Um uh the last I heard, and was very healthy and was able to lead a normal life. And those are the types of cases where you just look at and you say, you know, ozone is doing something pretty remarkable.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely, absolutely. And and as you alluded to earlier, I mean, you know, not every case will respond like like uh you know, like that heart, you know, uh a chest uh cancer case. Uh but we definitely see, I mean, there's no question that there's a huge advantage. And and as you know, like in my practice, um we work a lot with um biome. We we work with a company called Animal Biome, where we're we're looking at good and bad bacteria in the bowel. And you know, in humans, this has now been considered a new organ. The biome is actually considered an organ in the body because it's so important, the trillions of of organisms that are involved in how we feel and how we act and how we we proceed. And um we use ozone um in conjunction with uh fecal microbiome transfer uh because ozone gets the biofilm uh out of the bowel, you know, even before we do the procedure, and so it's much better accepted that way. Um, but we also follow up with additional ozone therapies after, and uh it's it's just been miraculous in so many cases of chronic uh gastrointestinal issues. Um we're you know, we use fecal microbiome transfer or animal biome for all of our allergy cases, and we incorporate ozone in that therapy, um, both topically, as you mentioned, for hot spots and and and flare-ups, but also uh you know, either subcutaneous uh saline administration with ozone or rectally, uh it's really been uh a real godsend because as you said, uh inflammation is really uh, you know, it's something that you know I I've gotten to really focus on. I just have to focus, I just have to key in on all the time in my patients. Um so in combination with you know getting some of the simple carbs out of their diet and making sure they're getting quality protein and making sure they're on the right supplements, ozone's been a a great, uh, a great addition, which which really has been fascinating to see how it how it evolved for us.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, absolutely. Uh and I I was talking to you you mentioned uh animal biome. I was talking to one of their representatives who recently integrated ozone therapy into their practice. And I'd been talking to this guy for a few years about it. Um, and uh and he uh he finally kind of is like, yeah, we're ready to get that going here. And um, and a few weeks after we got it going, he was like, he's like, Jonathan, I I've been talking to you about this for years. He's like, you weren't lying about what it does. He's like, you and that was really encouraging and validating for me to hear him say that because he he was excited about some of the things he was seeing in their patients um when they when they decided to add that to all of the other tools that they have there, including the microbiome uh therapy that they do, the fecal transplants and and whatnot. So yeah. Sure. Sure.
SPEAKER_01:Um, so you know, I I think one of the questions that come up for me, and I and I'm I'm sure people might want to ask this question, is um uh there obviously aren't like um are there standard protocols for certain types of cases? I mean, because I always I sometimes I have a question on like how often do I do major autotherapy or how often do I do uh intraperitoneal injections? You know what I'm saying? Do you have like a feel for for that in in some of these situations? And do you do you consult with you know veterinarians as far as you know pro developing a protocol, let's say?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Well, I won't I won't lie, sometimes I have those questions too. Uh medicine's always evolving. We do have uh standard protocols in place. Now, I've I've went back and forth on this particular topic um because there's lots of medical studies out there. There's there's hundreds, if not thousands, of uh medical studies on ozone therapy in the human and animal world. Um and the the protocols are gonna vary in the different studies, and all we have to go on, right, is just what they choose to do in the lab or in the clinic or whatever, and say, hey, that worked. But is it better than this or not? You know, and sometimes we don't know, and sometimes uh sometimes we do know. Um, and so I would say, I would say what I've gone back and forth on is ozone is a natural biological modifier, it helps the body do what it does just more efficiently and better. It it helps, you know, uh reset sometimes the terrain and help the body to, you know, maybe um kick it back a few years to when it was a little healthier and operating a little bit better. Sure. Um and when you think about it in that way, uh and in in my opinion, oftentimes it's not quite as crucial that we get uber precise on some of the dosing um and some of the ways that it's administered. Sometimes it's six one way, half a dozen the other. Just do it. And other times it does seem to make a difference, um, for sure. Right. So I don't want to say that all the time at all. Um, I think we need to be uh aware of um you know what we can expect. And so there's some studies that'll show when you're when you're dealing with more chronic conditions, you may not see certain aspects of ozone therapy um really work coming to fruition and and showing an effect until the 15th treatment. Now that's not normal, but that's where we're talking about maybe uh the production of stem cells or different things at a really uh biological level that you won't be able to necessarily see um in the clinical practice. Um but there are things like that, and then other times, you know, we're treating something that's transient, it's acute, you know, and it's just one or two treatments that are necessary. And yes, there's a dose, you know, we're gonna do it at you know 30 micrograms and we're gonna infuse you know 50 50 milliliters. Um and and so it's it's to this point, it's not quite as much uh condition specific. So, like, for example, we're not like okay, for for cardiac cancer, you're gonna do this, uh, for hermengiosarcoma, you're gonna do this, for kidney disease, you're gonna do this, and for you know, like osteosarcoma uh or whatever, osteoarthritis, let's say you're gonna do this for the knee and this for the hip and this, you know, it's not that specific in general yet. Um I hope that we'll get there in that maybe we can see, okay, you do need six injections when you have this, or just two when you have this here, and you need to put it, you know, in right here as opposed to periarticular, you're gonna, you know, go intra-articular, you know. Um there's there's some studies, but we don't have quite all of the data yet.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, that makes sense. And uh, you know, and I think that you uh another thing that you've you've spoken about, which is really true, is um we're all learning and we're all you know um kind of getting an idea of you know how it might work and how it how it how it'd be incorporated. And of course, like in our situation, you know, there are lots of cases where I wish I could do it every day. Uh but you know, clients have clients have schedules and and and we have schedules, and then sometimes it just doesn't happen that way. Uh but certainly uh every time that we've incorporated into uh a treatment, we've been very happy about uh how that's gone. And you know, uh, you know, it it doesn't, you know, it doesn't cure everything in the world. It's not you know, it's not that, uh, but it certainly is a great addition to to what we can do. Um a question on kind of that situation is what's happening, you know, kind of now or in the research world or experimental world uh with ozone. Any thoughts about new studies going on or things that you've seen that uh are really showing a lot of promise?
SPEAKER_00:Well, there's certain countries that are doing a good job at putting studies out. Um the problem is the United States doesn't always view those favorably in that we are we have a superiority complex, right, about our research here, and we don't accept the research of certain countries. Um but you know I have a uh a good friend and a very uh good ozone therapist in Brazil, and in Brazil, in veterinary medicine, um ozone therapy is pretty much standard of care now. Um and so they they do a lot there and uh they do a lot of research. I I think it it's got application everywhere, which makes it hard to nail down. Um but the mo if you're gonna go look at the research out there, what you're I'd say, gonna find Find is that for the most part we have literature that's really quite conclusive in the area uh areas of um osteoarthritis, damaged ligaments and joints that uh that disks, uh you know, herniated discs and that type of thing, um, where uh that's where the most research is and the best research is. But then you'll go from there and you'll you'll you'll find it in infectious disease, a lot in infectious disease. Um and there's a growing you know body of research. There's about a hundred studies each year coming out the last four or five years um on ozone therapy. And so, you know, there's in it and not in one particular category. It'll it'll it'll be all over the map uh as far as what what's being done. But I I am excited about the fact that more and more research is being done. I would love to see um if we had the funding or the interest from certain universities, um, I would love to see some of that research coming from the United States, um, which is lacking right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I agree, I agree. Um tell us a little bit about um we we have a client and um she's interested in doing uh or he is interested in doing ozone at home. Um how does that work through O3 Vets? You know, obviously we make the recommendation. Yeah, uh they could can they reach out right to you and and contact you about uh equipment and and and that type of thing? Is that something that that you will do at this point?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yep, absolutely. So we've set up a program that just really partners with the veterinarian to make it as easy as possible for somebody to do it at home and the veterinarian to not have as much work to do to make that possible. So we have an online training course and that kind of assists that um individual in understanding ozone therapy and understanding how to operate the equipment so that when the veterinarian says, Hey, you should do this uh at home, um, why don't you talk to those three vets? Then we can easily set them up with what equipment they need and the training that they need to take some of that burden off of the veterinarian as well. And usually it's uh it's about an hour. Um with we do a live Zoom meeting most of the times with those people as well, just to once they get it in to say, yeah, it's set up right. Okay, let's help you kind of figure out what you need to do and even how to administer it. Um, and so um it's it's not uh it's not like taking a pill, it's not that easy. Um, but it is it's also not um overly complex.
SPEAKER_01:So definitely. I I I absolutely uh second that and it really isn't that difficult. And uh and it does, you know, many, many times we'd like to see uh you know multiple times a week administrations, if not even daily. Um and it, you know, it's just very difficult for a client to get to the practice. It's very difficult for us to clear time to make it all the time. So having that uh that availability. So I do want to mention um you you can reach out uh if you have any questions for me, obviously, uh drrandypetvet.com. But if for Jonathan at uh o3vets.com, is it uh info at or what's the easiest way for someone? Okay, I figured that's what it was. Um info at oh three vets. It's a great site, uh, a lot of information, a lot of uh explanation about equipment and whatnot. And obviously, uh we want to make this available to anybody that's interested. So uh, you know, this is very, very important. Um what's on the horizon for O3 Vets? Anything new and coming or that you can talk about?
SPEAKER_00:Or um so we're working a little bit to get more uh into the equine space. Um so that's large animal. Um, so we're working on that and some products that would make it a little bit easier uh there, as well as uh to be honest, another large animal aspect of this is getting it approved for use on organic dairy farms to help with mastitis and metritis and different things infections that they have there, because there's not tools for that. So those are a few projects we're working on uh kind of on. We always have every year we do uh an online um summit for for pet guardians, um, and so that's coming up um in October, end of October for us, um, and it's free. So anybody can join. Um, and there will be a link on our website to be able to um register for that. If you miss it this year, you know, we'll have one next year. Um, and we have the same thing for veterinarians, so a separate one that's uh more veterinary focus and a little more technical, um, usually in the spring. Um, and then we we do training classes, we have one coming up in in uh September, um and the September for veterinarians. And so there's there's a few different things on the horizon, and and so yeah. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:Hey Jonathan, thank you. Um, I can't thank you enough. I mean, this was just great, um, great knowledge, um, so much fun to be able to turn people on to this uh technology and and and uh this work. And and um, you know, uh we're both focused on the same thing. We want all of our pets to live well and have you know as much longevity and wellness in their life as possible. And then so our pet guardians can can live well. And and they might even consider you know getting ozone for themselves because there's there's lots of reasons to be to consider that, that's for sure. So um thank you for your time. I mean, I really appreciate all you do, as you know, and and and you know, everything that you've shared with us and and uh made our clinic uh even more successful all the time with with ozone. That that's that's a great thing to have.
SPEAKER_00:Well, um, likewise, it's uh it's an honor and privilege to to be able to share with you. I've always appreciated, Dr. Randy, how you have a focus on scientific advancement in medicine and and yet integrating these tools that are less utilized. Um and so uh I appreciate the opportunity. Obviously, this helps us to be able to get the word out. So thank you.