Paws, Reflect & Heal with Dr. Randy

The Silent Enemy: Inflammation in Pets

• Dr. Randy Pet Vet • Season 3 • Episode 1

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Dr. Randy Aronson, a holistic integrative veterinarian, tackles the silent enemy: chronic inflammation in dogs and cats. Joined by Heather Enajibi (Natural Pet Food Group), we reveal how inflammation contributes to common pet issues like arthritis, allergies, kidney disease, and GI problems. Learn the subtle warning signs most pet owners miss and the role of anti-inflammatory nutrition.

Discover why moving away from high-carbohydrate, processed foods to a biologically appropriate, high-meat diet is the most powerful tool for prevention and treatment. We discuss the hidden costs of traditional treatments, like steroids and antibiotics, versus the long-term benefits of a holistic, anti-inflammatory approach. Empower yourself to make proactive choices for your pet's wellness and long-term health.
 
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TAKEAWAYS
- 90% of senior dogs show signs of chronic inflammation.
- 75% of cats over age 10 develop inflammatory conditions.
- Chronic inflammation can lead to serious health issues like Cushing's disease.
- Early detection can prevent 60% of chronic conditions caused by inflammation.
- Diet plays a bigger role than most people think in managing inflammation.
- High meat diets are biologically appropriate for pets.
- Kibble is often highly processed and can be inflammatory.
- Holistic approaches can be more cost-effective than traditional treatments.

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SPEAKER_00:

Greetings everyone. Did you know that 90% of senior dogs show signs of chronic inflammation, but only 15% of owners recognize the early warning signs? Inflammation is the silent enemy linking many pet health problems that seem unrelated. It contributes to arthritis, kidney disease, allergies, GI issues, and even cognitive decline. Learn how to spot the subtle signs and symptoms which dietary changes can make the biggest difference at any age. Welcome to Pause, Reflect, and Heal. I'm Dr. Randy, and today I'm joined by Heather and Ajibi from Feline Natural. In this episode, we're going to talk about how inflammation affects our pets in ways most owners never realize. I mentioned dogs a minute, but do you know that 75% of cats over age 10 develop inflammatory conditions? As I've said many times on this podcast, many common pet behaviors we discuss as normal aging are actually red flags, and inflammation could be at the root of today's pets problems. Today we're going to have a big discussion about how diet plays a bigger role than most people think in either fighting or fueling the often silent problem of inflammation. And we'll look at other lifestyle factors as well. I'm very fortunate to be joined by Heather and Ajibi. Heather is a lifelong animal advocate who began her journey operating an animal rescue and discovering the power of nutrition through her own heart dog's severe allergies. With over a decade in the pet nutrition industry, she works for Canine and Feline Natural, a New Zealand company known for its commitment to sustainability and animal welfare. Heather's mission is to help pets through species appropriated food and informed choices, building strong relationships with both retailers and pet parents. Heather, before we get started, is there anything else you'd like to share with our listeners about your background?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well, um I was really fortunate enough to kind of land with this great company and work with Dr. Mark Roberts, who has his PhD in animal sciences. Um and what I learned from him was if all disease stems from inflammation and an unhealthy gut, let's bring food into this to bring inflammation down and treat gut health. And that's been a really big passion of mine since I've lost one dog to Cushings. And as we're going to talk about today, I accidentally brought another Cushings dog into my life a couple months ago. And I'm regaining my passion into this industry by watching it change a dog so quickly. So can't wait to talk to you about sweet rose.

SPEAKER_00:

We're excited. And uh, you know, the universe does work in strange ways, I must say. So usually if we don't get it right the first time, sometimes it can really help us work it out the second. But you know, your pet's itching may not be just allergies, it could be inflammation silently wreaking havoc. We're gonna define the uh what inflammation uh symptoms might look like, and then we'll talk about some of the things. So, Heather, tell us basically your thoughts on inflammation in dogs and or cats.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I mean, we see it everywhere, and I think um, as you mentioned, so many things that we do attribute to either just aging or allergies or you know, this really all comes down to inflammation and an unhealthy gut. So, I mean, I think so many of the problems that people bring their pets into the vet for are they really just come down to inflammation and what can we do as advocates for our pets to reduce it? Um it it's so many things. It's as as you know, when I even hear people say my dog stinks, I'm like, why does your dog stink? You know, I'm like, my dog's well, one of my dogs currently stinks a little bit, but she's not she's not going to by next month. So you know, I I haven't bathed my other dog in so long because he doesn't need it, you know, and I think people don't I mean, we think about things like arthritis or itchy, scaly skin, but there's just so much that inflammation causes, even behaviors, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

And and just things that I tell people are kind of red flags are things like licking pool paws, allergies, uh, fatigue, stiffness after naps, picky eating. Um, you know, these can all be signs. Uh and classic inflammation that goes on for years is called chronic inflammation. And this is where we really get into trouble with some of our pets. Uh unchecked, you know, we we see things like Cushing's disease that you mentioned, kidney disease, uh, even small bowel lymphoma in our cats that is on an incredible rise. Um so uh I think that you know we want to make sure that we know that we can pick these things up before uh before things happen. And obviously early detection can prevent 60% of some of these chronic conditions caused by inflammations. So um we'll talk about that, but let's talk about the diet trap because I know this is right up your alley. Um I I want our listeners to know that Canine and Feline Natural is an amazing company, and they've made incredible strides to help us with this problem. And anytime uh a company aligns themselves to do that, um obviously I'm totally on board. So talk a little bit about uh the food situation, if you could.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I so my beliefs and what I have seen work throughout my career here, but also specifically in the last couple of months, is feeding an a uh a diet that is 100% pasture-raised meats. We've got greenlit mussels in all of our formulas. Usually you see that in a joint supplement aisle. We're putting it right into our food. So again, omega-3s. You know, you're changing the balance there. You're um and really the pasture-raised meats is a big, big thing that people don't think about. You don't think about the cortisol levels in a factory raised meat. They don't think about I mean, and and really just the animal welfare aspect of it. New Zealand has done an amazing job in the way they farm, which we get to reap the benefits here by feeding the food. Um and yeah, just a high meat diet because biologically appropriate diet is what an animal would, you know, it's it's what they're meant to eat. We've make it we've commercialized pet food and taken them really far outside what they would self-select.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And, you know, studies show if you allow an animal to self-select their diet, they're gonna select a diet high in protein, high in fat, extraordinarily low in carbs. So I do tend to look at carbs as kind of like, ugh, you know, reduce that carb level. Yes, our food can help heal your pet, but keep them out of there in the first place. Uh you can keep them healthy by starting this diet early instead of like I'm doing now, correcting a lifetime of of most likely inflammation her entire life.

SPEAKER_00:

So and I when I work with my my uh pet parents, we set that stage early in a puppy and kitten's life uh on what that looks like. But let me um let me just back up and and tell our listeners uh kind of a a really small short history. Uh when I was um a young guy, which was before the light bulb was invented, um, we didn't have kibble. Uh so the ranch dogs and the farm dogs ate what we ate. Uh and they ate very biologically appropriate, high-protein type diets that Heather has alluded to. Kibble came along because it was, you know, easy. And so now we have these super uh heat-treated, highly processed diets producing things like advanced glycolation end products, malliard reaction products that are toxic to our cats and dogs. And besides that, they use the simple carbs like soy, corn, wheat, rice, and white potato. And these turn to sugar, which are incredibly inflammatory for our pets. So uh, you know, often when I have a second and third opinion uh in hospital or on my telemedicine cases, we immediately work to get those carbs, the simple carbs, out of a pet's diet. We immediately work to get the carbohydrate level down. Because even on some of the really good kibbles, there's still 40 or 50 percent carbs. And as Heather alluded to, these can really cause a lot of inflammatory problems that we're seeing. And that, you know, that doesn't even talk about rendered fats or other types uh, you know, plant or proteins that can trigger immune systems.

SPEAKER_01:

4D meats, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know, I I tell the story, and and people probably don't want to hear this, but when I was my first year of veterinary school, um we went to a meat processing plant and we saw what the uh big food companies were taking as far as their protein. And honestly, it was stuff off the floor, it was tumors, it was animals that were euthanized with euthanasia solution in them. Uh so you know, these are the things that really could be a problem to say the least.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and I always think, you know, we all know what a human uh like a hot dog you get at the ballpark. You know what part of the meat that is. Well cheap pet food is what's left after the hot dogs are taken.

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You know?

SPEAKER_01:

So that's really, really bad.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So the quality of sourcing matter a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

No question. No question. And so, you know, what I tell my listeners is uh I make a slow transition off of the products that they're on. I'm I'm not a fan of many of the prescription diets, and the reason I'm not is because of the same thing that Heather and I am talking about. That many of these are made with simple carbs, they're highly processed. And, you know, often what you'll find in the allergy dog, let's say, or the GI dog is uh what we call elimination diet. So the veterinarian's gonna try this diet, and many times they go to lamb and rice, which is really a bad choice because in Chinese medicine, the three meats that we stay away from also in inflammation are lamb, venison, and chicken. So uh, and then you know, and then these diets are made with the simple carbs and like rice, which basically is inflammatory. So I really like to use testing to help me get to where I'm going to and end up on a company like uh canine or feline natural. Uh the testing that I do is uh either a food sensitivity test like Nutriscan or a food allergy test like VDI. Uh and then I also use biome, which a lot of people don't know a lot about, but you know, this is the biggest catchword in human medicine right now. And once we discover how your dog or cat's biome is off, we can correct just with supplements. And as you heard me say, no medicine, we're talking about supplements. So between that and diet, we could really make a big difference.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So, you know, also you've you've had this experience. We we've talked about Rose and we've talked about your other dog. Um you know, there's a real um a real uh catch with um, you know, like using things like steroids, you know, uh, you know, they may stop the itching, but what's the cost? And you know, so you know, the standard out, you know, outline for these kind of animals many times is a very strong antibiotic, something like metac uh metronidazole, which as I tell people is so damaging to our pets. You know, metronidazole was created uh by human surgeons so that if they got into your bowel into surgery and leaked something, you'd have no bacteria to leak because it wipes out everything. Yeah. Um, and so you know, this plus the anti-inflammatories, the steroids, the apoquels, the atopicas, which are immune lowering or uh uh you know, immune suppressing can really cause problems. And as we can talk about, uh the vet bills can be quite outrageous. Yeah um so just I think since we've talked about this, let's talk about your cushionoid experience. Yeah. Um and we'll talk about uh, you know, maybe Rose and how she, you know, how she presented and then how she looked after you tried your your your uh routine.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. So um, and actually that that's uh the slides that we'll be showing here, one of them talks about because part of the traditional treatment for cushions was putting her on Hills KD, lamb specifically, um, and the cost of that. You know, and and I if you've looked at the ingredient panel and you put it up against a canine natural or feline natural ingredient panel, they read very, very differently. But what really surprised me was the Hills cost almost the same as our 94% meat, no corn, soy, wheat, fillers diet. It blew my mind because I know what was in that can and that kibble. Why did it cost? Why is it gonna cost$300,$400 a month to feed her that? Um so that was a big part of it. Um but with Rose, so yeah, I took her in, 14 years old. I actually thought she was gonna be a hospice foster. I was just gonna give her a comfortable place for a couple weeks, did the blood test, everything started steering towards um cushions. And then about 12, 13 years ago, I lost Nina to Cushings, and I did all the traditional stuff. I would have done anything for Nina. And so I followed all the vet advice, did all the things, and all I did was sort of prolong her life probably another eight months, and she was pretty miserable because those medicines were apparently quite toxic because she was not doing well. And so I decided, well, I've got kind of nothing to lose with Rose here. So let me put my money where my mouth is and do the anti-inflammatory diet that I talk about. I did not expect it to turn around as fast as it did. Um and she you'll see in the after picture within 23 days. Um I was hoping for 90, you know, honestly. I I I I love our food and I sell our food, but I did not believe that it could do that in 23 days. But I've got the metadata on those photos so I can prove it.

SPEAKER_00:

I love it. I love it. Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to prove it to me because I've seen the same thing. And so I just want to back up and let our listeners know uh about Cushings. So Cushing's disease is an overactive adrenal gland. It's production of too much uh cortisol and steroid that's affecting the animal. Uh often often comes uh with uh symptoms of drinking a lot of water, urinating a lot, uh uh always being hungry, uh, but not, you know, not really gaining weight, um, restlessness, pot belly, uh um intense breathing, or you know, a lot of uh panting and whatnot. So uh these are often some warning signs, and often your veterinarian could could pick up uh the telltale signs of cushions. There are some specific tests that we do to really nail it down because there are two types of cushions, one coming from the pituitary gland and one also coming from adrenal tumor, which is a little bit more difficult to deal with. Uh but Heather did absolutely the right things. And in my world, I would have added, you know, because I have this um ammunition, I would have added the food sensitivity or allergy test. I would have added the biome to balance their body uh to help. But um the diet plus uh the Chinese herbal medicine uh for marbles is is a great way to go. And uh and you know, you can see the results. And and obviously we're talking about um, you know, these these these medications um that are immune suppressive. So here in Arizona, just for example, and and all really across the United States, there are many fungal diseases that live in the soil. Uh here we have a fungal disease called coccidiomycosis or valley fever. And when you start putting an animal on immune suppressive drugs like atopica or apoquel, uh cyclosporin, uh, or some of the asteroids, uh, you're lowering the immune system. And guess what happens? We may get the signs to improve, but now we have a valley fever dog. And I've seen it time and time again here. And so I really, really caution people to really take a good look and and listen to podcasts like this to make sure you really understand uh you know what's going on and what we might be able to do.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Yeah. And I think what what you'd find is uh what I found with Rose's case is it's$300 less a month to do this holistically. Um, so I think so often people associate holistic or high quality feeding with big expense, but I think you really need to look at the bigger picture on fluids, antibiotics, kind of this whole kind of wheel you get into of chasing side effects and how much more affordable it is to actually do it. And you know, just seeing Rose run, you know, because she's not so stiff. You know, we talked about other site symptoms of inflammation, stiffness, you know, and you think about that with yourself. You know, you hear people say all the time, oh, I had too much pasta or something like that, and my joints hurt. Well, what is a 50 plus percent terrible quality kibble going to do to those same joints for your pet? And they live such short lives. Like correct, correct. Let's throw everything good at them in their short little lives so we so we have them with us for longer.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I just want to mention, if we could, uh to uh make sure if you're watching this episode and you like it, uh subscribe to the YouTube channel that it's on. Look at Spotify and Apple. Uh you'll see these podcasts on there. And also uh follow us at Dr. Randy PetFet because many of these podcasts will be on there, plus articles and whatnot. A lot of information that I I give my clients uh that will really educate our pet parents because Heather's job, just like mine, is to educate you and make sure that the more information you have, the better off your pet's going to be. Uh and and Mark. So talk a little bit about um I I want to mention I want to mention feline natural because I'm really interested. I'm interested in both products, obviously, but talk a little bit about how that maybe have come had come about and and what what you know forms it's in so people can listen because I I really want them to know what the options are.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. And our and our feline is truly exceptional because you, you know, your cat is an obligate carnivore. So why are you going to feed, why are you going to pay for a lot of fruits and vegetables that your cat does not need? So our feline diets are 98% meat plus the greenlit mussels. Something else we do when I talk about anti-inflammation anti-inflammation. Um, our cans and pouches, we don't add any gelling agents because that's something else that can be, it can upset the GI tract. Um, we just add water and cook it. So um you're keeping it very clean, you're not upsetting kind of the balance, but very, very high meat, very high quality meat and green lit mussels. And we it comes in freeze-dried pouches and cans. We get a lot of great feedback on our freeze-dry freeze-dried. Um, there is a perception out there that cats don't like freeze-dried food, and I think a lot of times it has to do with the format. Um we have a great little pellet that gives the cat the mouthfeel. So I really encourage people to try it because I think they'll be surprised. Even if it's just a treat for their cat, it's a great way to boost the nutrition on top of whatever else you might be doing. Um, and the cans and pouches for diabetes, um, you know, we have less than 1% carbs in our feline diets.

SPEAKER_00:

That's amazing. I mean, just that level versus if we talk about 40 to 50 percent simple carbs in many of the kibble type diets. Um, I I don't have any of my cats that I'm working with on kibbles uh unless I really have to. There's some cats that we just have to offer some crunchies occasionally, but I try to avoid that at all costs. But I also like the freeze-dried products because you're adding water and cat we need our cats to be drinking. You know, we we talk about using uh multiple fountains in the house uh with purified water so the cat really has access to a lot of water because chronic kidney disease in cats is a terrible problem. And again, another inflammatory problem. And the the again, we're working on things that we want to be proactive. And Heather and I are educating you guys that we want to do these things so that we don't see you for these issues. I always tell my my pet parents, I like to talk myself out of business. I I also mentioned I'm not a chiropractor, what to see, don't want to see them every week. Um but I think the more that we can do this, the better off we are and the better off um we we can be. Um so you know, we just I think just kind of getting through the misconceptions, you know, there's a statistic out there that um if you um do some simple diet switches, you can get 40% of the um inflammatory markers out of your animal's pet in about 30 days. Uh now I tell people, you know, when I try to do these things, like like Heather said earlier with Rose, um I expect, you know, 90 days, you know, six months. So I tell people many times it's it's a slow process, uh, but often we see the changes very quickly. And adding things like omega-3s into your pet's diet, uh, looking at uh also some really, really good probiotics, uh, goat kefir, let's say, or sauerkraut. Um, there are some great natural things that we can do to balance your your pet's body. And we see this through the biome testing. Often that's something that we can correct uh just with some routine over-the-counter type products.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, and then yeah, I'm glad you mentioned the kefir because um that's also part of Rose's diet is 25% of her caloric needs are coming from that. Um I've been consulting a lot with Chelsea Kent from Solutions Pet Products and Dr. Roxanne Stone. So that's part of what we're doing with her, as well as um a fish gelatin called fish jiggles, you know, omega-3s, omega threes, omega-threes. But you'll see that on the chart that exactly her diet and what it costs to do to turn it around.

SPEAKER_00:

And it was more and it was remarkable, remarkable.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. And I would like to say though, because you did mention like I expected 90 days. You I and I think I a lot of people give up because of the detox. They mistake what's the detox, they mistake that for the dog getting worse or the cat getting worse when really it's detox. Because as great as Rose looks now, she still has dandruff, she still has some smell. She's detoxing. Sure. 14 years of whatever happened to her. You know, and so I I always want to encourage people, don't give up. I mean, my I feel like Rose was an exceptional case, unexpected, but I think 90 days makes sense, maybe even six months, depending on how many years of kind of they've got to shed all of this and get rid of all of the those toxins. So I really I always want to encourage people do not give up. If you if things look a little worse that first couple weeks, that's fine. It's fine.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and and we get we, you know, we really get um scientific evidence when we when we run our biome testing with this, and we'll see the high levels of, let's say, Streptococcus in their stool or uh uh C. diff or C perf in there, which can really cause issues. And and you know, as um Heather is mentioning, you know, the smell often comes from malesthesia yeast or staph bacteria. Again, very often an imbalance in the bowel situation. And many, many times uh changing or or helping the biome improve really makes a huge difference and and getting a lot of that out of their body. But you're absolutely right. I've had multiple times when I've talked to my owners, uh my pet parents, um, about you know, doing these types of things, and they call me in a week and say, God, you know, doc, you know, she's so much worse. And I go, remember that, you know, like Heather said, this has been 14 years of inappropriate diet and the wrong type of situations and the chronic inflammation and the dysbiosis. We've got to correct. And it's got to come out. It's got to come out somewhere. It either comes out in them ear infections or or protodermatitis, licking of their feet and foot infections, or severe skin problems. But it will correct. Um, you just have to hang in there. And it sometimes is like you said, it sometimes can be tough getting people to walk them through that first, you know, let's say two to four weeks sometimes can be really difficult.

SPEAKER_01:

If your entire diet was McDonald's and then you go with a really healthy whole food diet, you're not gonna feel great in that in that interim while your body figures it out. Uh I love that Rose was an anomaly, but I I just don't I I want people to stick with it because I mean it will work.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, did do you feel like is there anything we we missed? Uh, you know, I know we were talking about our best treatment is prevention, and prevention starts in the food bowl, which I think we've really made that point. Anything you think we could add uh to this before we're done talking about Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean I I also want to just also talk, I mean, obviously I sell a brand, but there are so many things you can do. Um, adding, you know, blueberries, kale, papaya, alfalfa. There's so many things that you can add from your own fridge, sardines. You know, there's so much you can do on top of whatever else you're doing just to boost. Um they are I mean, the studies are showing even just 20% of Whole Foods on top of kibble make all of these changes. Obviously, I want you to bring those carbs way down. But um I I just I would I don't want people to get discouraged by thinking, oh, I that my the store I go to doesn't carry you or things like that. You know, uh there are other things you can do that you just have in your own fridge or your own pantry that might help.

SPEAKER_00:

And and and I I I I'm I'm not I'm assuming I this is correct, but I would imagine isn't canine and feline natural available on some online stores like Chewie and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah, and we sell direct. I really encourage people to go into your independent pet store because we really want to support those brick and mortars. But you know, we'll come to you wherever you're at. And I I know I think we've even got um something that's coming at the end of this that you know, uh a discount code to our own website. But please I know you've got a great store near you, Dr. Randy. Um you know, so we uh we're reaching out to them now.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah, I I um OKFeed, which has been my my mainstay, is about a mile from Paul's veterinary center here in Tucson. And I'm always going in there looking at what they're doing and talking to Michelle and the other people there and saying, hey, we need to be doing a lot more with this feline natural product. Uh I'm gonna be sending you people. And she always listens to me because she knows I send them. And and you know, and ends up that you know, the a lot of that food walks out the door. So it's it's great. And uh I'm using it and I I'm enjoying it, and my cats love it. My two Devin Devin Rexes are having a great time. Um, talk about our palatability then. We win. Yeah. There you go. Absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01:

Because all of this doesn't matter if your cat won't eat it or your dog won't eat it.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly, exactly. I mean, that's another whole big thing. You're absolutely right. It's absolutely right. And I I also mentioned um we talked about other additives, but you know, even on the supplements like omega-3s, people mistake, you know, pure fish oil for that omega-3-6 product, and omega-9s can be very inflammatory for our cats. So you have to watch that. Um, I also tell people I really like to have my omega-3s in a gel cap because in a bottle, as soon as you pump or open the bottle, oxygen enters, and the cat has to form these free radicals, the scavenger, that oxidative uh oil. So it's always a little bit safer and fresher if you could do it that way. Stinkier, because many times you have to pinprick the capsule, and people don't always like that. But it does it does work really well. And the good news is most cats love fish, so it it works out that it works really, really well.

SPEAKER_01:

Very small price to pay for your for all everything they bring to our lives, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Heather, I can't thank you enough. And I I want to tell our listeners again, um, go on Instagram and follow us at Dr. Randy PetFed or uh subscribe to the YouTube channel. It really helps us bring people like Heather to you. Um we're gonna be talking about um feline natural at uh I believe the um Cat Writers Association, where I'm gonna be doing uh a uh a keynote. But if you're listening and you have a big organization of cats and dogs that need a speaker, uh I'd love to come. And I'm sure I could probably get Heather to tag along if we if we can make that work.

SPEAKER_01:

So let's let's talk food.

SPEAKER_00:

There you go. I love it. Heather, thank you so so much for being here. Um thanks everybody at your company for allowing uh this uh us this time and uh pleasure. Look forward to working together in the future.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00:

Have a great rest of your day.

SPEAKER_01:

Thanks, you too. Okay, everybody.

SPEAKER_00:

Bye, everybody.