Paws, Reflect & Heal with Dr. Randy

Is Your Pet ALWAYS Sick? Here's What To Do.

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Pet parents seeking a holistic approach to animal health will find this conversation essential—veterinarians Dr. Randy Aronson and Dr. Marlene Siegel break down exactly why our pets are sicker than ever and what you can do about it. Covering species-appropriate nutrition, toxin exposure (glyphosate, microplastics, mycotoxins), leaky gut, mitochondrial health, and emotional well-being, this episode delivers a clear, actionable framework grounded in [combined] 80+ years of integrative veterinary practice.

 Holistic veterinary medicine is no longer fringe—it's the future of pet health. In this episode, Dr. Siegel shares her remarkable six-step action plan to reverse chronic disease in dogs and cats, from nutrient deficiency and detoxification to EMF mitigation and clearing trapped emotions. Whether your pet is battling cancer or chronic illness, or you simply want to be proactive, this conversation will shift your paradigm. 

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Learn more about Dr. Siegel's Empowered Pet Parent course at drmarlenesiegel.com and follow Dr. Randy at @DrRandyPetVet on Instagram.

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SPEAKER_00

Welcome everyone to Pause Reflecting Heal. I want to welcome my special guest, Dr. Marlene Siegel, who's been practicing veterinary medicine for about 40 years in the Tampa area. And it was about 25 years ago where she made the transition from traditional allopathic veterinary medicine to practicing and implementing holistic protocols. It would be fair to say she was ahead of the curve by a lot and saw a huge paradigm shift coming, introducing us to Nature as your model and carnivores in the wild. Marlene, um, we'd love to talk about yourself and get your background so our listeners can know more about you how you found integrative medicine. And please share, sh share also with our listeners your goals for this episode, if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's a lot. Okay, so for first, I got into doing alternative medicine because my youngest daughter and one of our show horses were involved in a riding accident during a show. And the horse reared in the air, my daughter was not told as a 10-year-old, if your horse rears in the air, jump off to safety because the number one cause of a rider's death when a horse rears is falling over and crushing their rider. So when her horse reared in the air, she's 10 years old and no one told her what to do. So she's trying really hard not to fall off. And the only thing she was holding on to were the reins. So she's literally pulling this whole horse over backwards by her own weight. And I'm at the rail and I can see that the horse is going to go over. There's no question of it. And then I watched the horse actually squat down on one hind leg, and as hard as she could, as she's being pulled over backwards, she pushed herself to the opposite direction of where she could feel my daughter was starting to slide off the saddle. When the horse hit the ground, you could not see space between rider and horse. So I'm jumping over the rail, I'm running to my daughter, and I honestly did not know what I was going to find when I got there.

SPEAKER_02

Sure.

SPEAKER_01

In that couple of seconds, Lily caught her breath. That's the horse. And she was on her feet again, and my daughter was laying on the ground, not moving. As I approached her, I called her name and my daughter opened her eyes. She was fine. She just hurt her pride. And that would have been enough. However, back at home, we had a couple more incidences. And I had equine veterinarians come look at her. They said, We don't know what's wrong with her, but we can tell you she's not safe to ride. She'll never be shown again. And your two options are put her out to a pasture or put her down. Now, you know, given the fact that she is a US national competitive horse in open showing, and she was a US-Canadian national show horse. In addition to that, and the most important part was she saved my daughter's life. This horse knew she was pushing herself as hard as she could away from where my daughter was falling. I I know that she was doing that consciously. So I was going to fix this horse. There was nothing that was going to stop me from doing that. And I made a promise to myself, to my clients, to my profession, that I would never utter those words. There's nothing more that can be done. Why that came out of my mouth, I really don't know. But I have lived up to that promise every day since. And there are some times, Randy, we see some of these hard cases, and you just you take a deep breath and you go, I don't know. And so, in order to make that kind of a commitment, I needed to have a toolbox that could meet the demands of the cases we were seeing. So I started accumulating knowledge. And at that time, there was nothing in the veterinary world. I mean, there were people doing acupuncture, but at that time, acupuncture was still being used as an allopathic treatment. Instead of using a drug, they were using a needle and an herb. But it was still a symptom-based approach. It was still some Chinese medicine involved if you were a really good practitioner. But people were not looking for the root cause of the problem. And so as the years went on, I started looking into the human world of bioregulatory medicine, German medicine, and really starting to understand the root cause of disease. And as I started to understand the root cause of disease, it was a whole paradigm shift. And then I would find technologies that would help restore the body back to its innate intelligence. Because at the end of the day, we actually don't fix anything. It's the body that has to fix itself. We just have to get out of the way and give it the things it needs to do its job. And so that's how I've evolved in understanding my role in the healing process.

SPEAKER_00

You know, it's that's an amazing story. And um, it it's it's very, it's not quite similar to my situation. My situation was classically trained at, you know, a very great school, did an internship and and uh medicine and surgery rotation, went on to Animal Medical Center for a year, then came out to Tucson to find this some sit somewhat situation of veterin that I couldn't believe because the practitioners there just wasn't, I mean, I couldn't even believe what was going on out here, quite honestly. Not even Western wise. But it also came to me very shortly, Morlene, um, in practice that all I was doing was putting out fires. You know, I mean, I was doing one drug after another and making these great diagnoses and and whatnot. Uh, I met Andrew Weil and uh a gentleman here who's one of the greatest uh MD integrative um doctors it could be, and it became obvious to me that there were options. And the options were to look outside the box and get acupuncture and Chinese medicine trained and herbal trained, and then you know, on and on. But um I just want to uh thank Marlene for you know telling us her story and reminding everybody to head over to Dr. Randy Peckvet on Instagram or also follow Dr. Marlene's site, drmarlenseagle.com, her Instagram, Dr. Marlene Siegel. Okay, so let's get into it. Uh, you know, we have to we have to figure out. I think the first question that you and I discussed was how did we get here? How did we get to this situation? So I'll let you start and we can we can kind of go from there.

SPEAKER_01

So as my horse Lily took me down this new pathway, I was looking for technologies and treatments and solutions for her. And everything that I learned to treat her, I started applying it to my small animal practice. And as the weeks and years went by, I started accumulating more and more, not just knowledge, but an appreciation for how the body actually works. And then the right teachers would just show up in my world. It was pretty amazing. It's almost like you're you're starting to um imagine what you need, and then it shows up. Well, I also have to let you know that at the end of five months, that little duo went on to win the United States Youth Reserve National Championship. This is a horse that I was told would never be shown again, should never be ridden again. And they won the most prestigious youth show in the entire nation. And so I like to end with that part of the story because when people are told by well-meaning others, you know, whether it's a doctor or their friends or family or whatever, I don't think people say bad things to make you feel worse or to take all your hope away. I think it really is ignorance. You know, you know what you know and you don't know what you don't know. And their paradigm is just such a limited perspective of their belief system. And what I started opening up was an entirely new belief system. So I create a totally different paradigm than what I was traditionally trained with. And I'm okay with that. I'm actually enjoying practice more than I've ever enjoyed practice.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, rounding 41 years now, and I will tell you that it is more satisfying and more rewarding, and I'm more energized today than I was my first five years out in practice, where, like you said, you're doing a good job, you're diagnosing it because we were trained great on naming it and blaming it. We were we're we're still good at that. But what we weren't trained in is understanding the root cause of the problem.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

Now that we understand that there's an underlying problem, and when you fix that, it's okay to treat the symptom. We want to be comfortable, but we can't stop with putting out the symptom. We have to find the root cause. So that was what brought me to where I am today. I was always looking for other things that I could employ into my practice so that I would never have to look at somebody and say, I'm sorry, there's nothing more that I can do. And I want you to know that it's not always about living forever. We all have an exit strategy, we're all leaving this planet at some point, but we don't have to leave before our time, whatever that time is. And it's not my job to tell somebody when it is that time. Right. I think we have to provide options and solutions and quality of life. So above and beyond everything else, I focus on quality of life. Yep.

SPEAKER_00

And I think I I mentioned health span instead of lifespan because this is really important, especially when I go out and do talks for pet parents and whatnot. I want them to understand you and I aren't about making these our pets live, you know, as long as they possibly can. It's as quality life during that time frame. Yeah. Um, let me ask you about, you know, I know you and I have kind of come to the conclusion that we're the sickest we've ever been, you know, both our pets and our humans. Um so we talked about a few different categories that I would love to brush upon. We have so much to talk about today. So um, you know, nutrient deficiency, toxicity, mitochondrial dysfunction. You want to do you want to just brush on that a second? Or I know it's we could spend an hour on every one of those conversations, but absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

What I do is help our pet parents to understand that there are really three basic things that cause dis-ease. There's no disease. That is a word that we make up in our allopathic land. But dis-ease means that the body is not in balance. When we're in homeostasis, everything's working great. When we get into dis-ease, we are no longer in ease. And that's when we start to see symptoms and expressions, kind of like your car light on the dashboard coming on saying, check your engine because there's a problem. So that's what our symptoms to me represent. It's the body simply talking to us. And so if we really break it down into the most simplistic terms, we are either suffering from deficiencies, and those are deficiencies of essential nutrients. An essential nutrient is a nutrient that the body cannot manufacture in sufficient quantities on its own. I think it's a remarkable process that the body has this ability to recreate almost anything it needs, but it's limited, ha ha, by a few vitamins, amino acids, fatty acids, and minerals. And if we don't have those, which are supposed to be supplied from our diet, then we are going to be nutrient deficient. Now we can get into some of the toxins that, like mycotoxins, they suppress the body's ability to absorb them. But either way, whether you don't have them in your diet or you're not able to utilize and absorb them, nutrient deficiencies are the first pillar for what starts to cause the dis-ease in the body. Now, coupled with that are the toxins. And we have never lived in a time of the world where we are exposed to more synthetic toxins. You know, 15 years ago, I would do lectures, and that number was over 75,000 synthetic toxins that have been developed and released into our food supply since the end of World War II, 1942. That number far exceeds 100,000 at this point. So things like glyphosate, which is now on the market almost 25 years. And I think it's funny when we test for glyphosate, the lab gives us this range of normal. No, no, no, no. There is no normal glyphosate. I know. There is none. There should be zero in our body. And yet the labs are trying to kind of play it down and go, oh, it's okay to have a percentage in your body. No, it's not. Zero. Microplastics, oh my gosh, this is the next big area that we need to bring awareness to because these microplastics are in our body. They're in our blood, they're in our lungs, they're circulating in our bodies, and they're causing all kinds of havoc. And they're in our pet bodies. So up until earlier this year, no one had ever tested microplastics in animals. So I partnered with the lab and we've been doing our testing, and we're finding on average that animals have higher plastic almost by double than the average human. So we're talking egregious levels. So, you know, when we're when we're understanding some of these things, the mycotoxins, the microplastics, the glyphosate, the heavy metals, when we start to understand where our toxins are coming from, it gives us the ability to start to make different choices. We can improve air quality, we can improve water quality to the biggest areas these toxins are coming through. And then, of course, our food quality. These are huge areas that we have control over. We don't have to have plastic storage bags. We shouldn't be drinking out of plastic bottles. Our pets should not have plastic toys and plastic bowls or plastic cutting wear where we're taking chips and putting them into our food and our pets' food. Right. So these are they're not hard concepts, but they're things that we have to start paying attention to. Now, my challenge to everybody listening next time you go into your grocery store, even something like a sprouts or a more holistic place, what is all that food packaged in? Plastic. You know, you'll find an occasional glass bottle, but almost everything else is in some form of plastic. And other than your fruits and vegetables that are not in a container, that they're loose, they may not have any plastic wrap on them. But it's again, we just have to start making changes. We have to start understanding our part in the problem and accepting responsibility so that we can start making better choices.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so so important. Thank you for elucidating that. And I'm here with Dr. Marlene Siegel. We're having a big conversation how you, as a pet parent, can optimize your pet's health. We're now going to discuss the value and importance of diagnostics and testing so we know exactly what's going on and are able to take the appropriate actions. So, Marlene, we'll talk about diagnostics and testing. I want to just kind of relay a quick story. When I first started doing acupuncture, and then I had learned that I had to learn the paradigm of Chinese medicine, which blew me away. Um, you know, people would call and say, Um, I want to bring my dog in for acupuncture. Um, and they wouldn't have any diagnostics, they wouldn't have any physical examination. They just thought the dog may have been painful and I need acupuncture, or this, my dog's vomiting, I need acupuncture. And um, you know, it was interesting how I had to educate my CSRs, my my receptionists, to educate the caller that Dr. Aronson was going to do a lot more than just place needles in your dog. And if that wasn't okay, we they wouldn't come a lot of times. So, you know, I think the thing that also scares me a little bit, and you may be seeing this also, is I am seeing some holistic veterinarians who really haven't had a very strong Western background. So the diagnostics and testing, whether it's echocardiograms or, you know, ultrasounds or whatever, um, sometimes aren't getting done before we skip to like, well, what can we do? So let's talk about that a little bit, uh, you and I, about diagnostics and testing.

SPEAKER_01

You know, a lot of people think that veterinarians just come up with answers out of the air. And why do you have to do any testing? My clientele don't think like that anymore because when they come to me, a massive amount of education. I actually have an empowered pet parent course, uh course, it's a three-hour program that they are required to take so that they become a good fit with me. You know, I just don't physically have the time to vomit all this information on people. They have to be able to digest it and take it in and then go back and listen again. So I found that the most compliant and best outcomes that I have are with pet parents who want to be educated, they want to do the right thing, they want to understand what they're doing, and then they're able to use me to help them to implement those changes. So I require diagnostics. It this is not a guessing game. We have to know what these animals are deficient in and toxic in, otherwise, we can't target them appropriately. And when we have that ability to test and not guess, then we have something that we can retest and actually see. Are we making headway? Are we improving things? It's a benchmark. And I find that the pet parents are much more compliant. First of all, they don't feel like I'm out there just wasting money and throwing this drug and that drug or that herb and that needle at their animal. They actually see a plan. They can actually see what their lifestyle is causing and how they can make improvements, not just for the pet, but for themselves. So this is the clientele that we're talking to. Everybody has their own moment in the world where they're at, they're where they're at for a reason. And that's not right or wrong. It's just where they're at. You and I are talking to that pet parent who wants to do the right thing, they want to understand what they're doing, and they want to ultimately have the best outcome. Well, you can't do that until you do the right testing to know what those deficiencies and toxicities are and be able to make the according adjustments. And it's funny because we'll take our car in and we don't think twice about the fact that they're going to go through a diagnostic program to figure out what's wrong with your car or your air conditioning or your plumbing or whatever. But when it comes to the body, they don't really realize that we have the ability to do those testing. Now, when I started out, we couldn't test mycotoxins, we couldn't test microplastics, we couldn't test glyphosate. There was a lot of things we could not test for. And in the allopathic or the more Western traditional world, they still don't test for that. Right. They're going out there, they'll do a CBC, a chemistry, a thyroid, and an X-ray and an ultrasound. And they'll look at the blood work and they go, Oh, that's all normal. Yep. But they haven't even hit the parts that are really causing the problem. Right. Right. Until it gets so bad that now everything starts to fall apart. So yes, I think the testing is part of the non-negotiable. We have to understand what we're doing. This isn't guesswork.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And and I think the thing that's uh funny in my world is, and I'm sure you see this also, is they'll come to me with uh these blood profiles, let's say a set of x-rays, even ultrasound, and um, I'm suggesting microbiome check, I'm suggesting toxicity checks, uh deficiencies. And they look at me like, well, you're the first person that's ever talked about that. I said, it doesn't matter. We're here today. Let's not talk about the past or the future. Let's just be in today and talk about what we need to do to help uh your pet, you know, do the best. And and um, yeah, like you said, uh loving to educate the people, it's it's so wonderful. An educated client is is really the best situation. And sometimes I'll even um even start having them read uh Karen Becker's Forever Dog book just so they get a little basis. Or, you know, um, you know, some there's uh some basic uh Chinese uh English type books that that they can read to also get some ideas. But um it's it's great to be able to relay that to them. And I love the fact that you do your empowered parent course because that's that's so amazing. I I have to I definitely am gonna have to check that out. I want to see kind of what you're doing because I think that's that's such a great, great option for our pet parents.

SPEAKER_01

I actually have a lot of veterinarians who are affiliates with that link and they prep their client because you know when the first time somebody comes in, they're already stressed, they're animal sick, cancer or some other chronic degenerative disease, and they're overwhelmed. And when you sit there and try to pour all this information, their mind is still on, can I afford it, or what about this? And they're not really listening.

SPEAKER_02

That's right.

SPEAKER_01

But when they're prepared through taking the course, and I've had so many people tell me afterwards that they went back after they they took the course, they come in, we have our discussion, I help them with implementation, and then they go back and they rewatch the course after they get their results. And now that light bulb comes on. I mean, think about how much we learned in vet school. I couldn't relate a fraction of that my first couple of years out because I really didn't understand what how the body actually worked. We learned what we did in the books, but then you see it in practical application. So I find that a lot of veterinarians have been affiliates with me in using the course because it's not branded to me. It's helping people just simply understand how does this body work? And then what are the tests that we run and why? And then how can we work on diet, digestion, gut health, the mitochondria? How do we support the mitochondria? How do we detox? How do we work on our trapped emotions? It's all covered in the course, and then they can go back and watch it again and again, and like a deeper level starts to how. Where they really start to understand it. And that's when we really become empowered. And it makes a difference for themselves and every pet that they have after that.

SPEAKER_00

So since we're here, um, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find that? Is that on your website or where where would they find this information for that empowered pet course?

SPEAKER_01

DR, and then my name, drmarlenesiegel.com. It's the hub of everything. My hospital's there, our online suppliers are there, the courses are there, and we have a lot of other courses. They start with the Empowered Pet Parent course. That's your first paradigm shift. That's the one where people go, oh, no one ever told me that before. And they start to common sense comes back. You know, and really I tell people ahead of time, this is probably not going to be any earth-shaking thing that's new, but you've never applied it like this. And then they go, Oh my God, you're right. I just never thought about it that way. And I also have case presentations that are part of the course so that people can actually see real life cases from seizures and cancers and paralyzed animals and all kinds of different things. So that when they say, Have you ever seen this before?

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. A lot of times. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. And you know, it's it's interesting on this end here in Tucson. Uh, we have, you know, the big integrative uh medical program at the University of Arizona through Dr. Weil, and I speak to and see many of his fellows. And they come in and we're talking about some of this, and they said, Oh my God, you know, I do all of this for myself, but I never thought that I could be doing this for my pet. And I'm going, that's why I want to tell our listeners, don't be um, don't be afraid to learn this, because there are lots of people who are a lot more advanced in this world of of medicine that don't do it either. So uh, you know, this is perfect.

SPEAKER_01

I I want to say one thing, Dr. Randy, because um, you know, we just made an analogy of human health and animal health, but it's very important to realize that dogs are not small people and cats are not small dogs. So don't just go out and think that everything that you're doing for you can be easily translated to the pet. There may be nuances so that that animal isn't harmed. And make sure you work with somebody who really understands these principles and can guide you appropriately.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And it's all about uh being proactive and being a spokesperson for your pet. But absolutely right, uh Dr. Siegel is elucidating that you know, working with someone who understands the process and can help you guide through it is very, very important, especially like she said, the nuances. And just want to remind everybody I'm here with Dr. Marlene Siegel from uh near Tampa, Florida, who helps us uh introduce. We're gonna talk about the six-point action plan that she developed and will share it with us now. So maybe we can move into that action plan if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. So if you follow these six steps, you will make massive transformation in your health and your pet's health. And it's pretty simple. Step number one, we have to stop doing the things that are causing the dis-ease. Yes, and that covers a lot of stuff. So, number one is what are you eating or what are you feeding your pet? Right? So we need to go to a species-appropriate diet. What would that animal have eaten in the wild if man did not intervene? And cats, we know, even through the universities, they say cats are obligate carnivores. They have no dietary requirement for carbohydrates. They did get carbohydrates from the intestinal tract of the prey that they killed and ate, but it was already digested for them. Carnivores don't have amylase in their saliva. They don't chew their food thoroughly into pancake batter like we're supposed to. So carbohydrate digestion was not designed for them to be the primary eater. And then dogs, we call them scavenger carnivores because they have been using man's waist for a little bit longer than the cats have. So they have some ability to adapt, but that doesn't mean it's good for them. So, diet number one, really understanding what does it mean to be a carnivore and how can they eat most appropriately. Number two is water. Are we drinking structured, filtered, healthy water? And the water that's coming out of our taps is not structured, it's not filtered. There is a massive amount of toxins coming through. A whole topic by itself, right? Yes, number three is the air quality. You know, these are my top three. What do you eat? What are you breathing? What are you drinking? And air quality is very interesting because our houses now are built really tight. We don't have a lot of outside circulation coming in, and we have a lot of toxins, could be microplastics that are coming off of our carpeting, off of our clothing, off of our furniture. And then there's the off-gassing of chemicals and formaldehyde, and then the petroleum products that people use and candles and cleaners, and all of these toxins are accumulating in the house. And our pets don't get out as much as we do. So they're inundated in that more than we can even imagine. So when you do air filtration, I really help people to understand you have to go down to one micron. There's a few good companies out there, but you really have to know what it is that it's getting and then and also the the cubic feet that you're filtering, because that machine has to be able to properly clean the air with the right volume. Sure. And then the next area that we talk about.

SPEAKER_00

Let me stop you for one second because I I want to add one thing which is really curious. Um in my um VDI testing that I've been doing, uh, we've been noticing um so far, I'm 10 for 10, that any dog or cat that I'm looking at, their allergy status, their vitamin D status, um has shown mold toxicity. Um and I have told the client right away, get this mold cut detecting company out there, don't get a remediator because they have something to sell you. And every single one of them have had mold in their house. Now we're talking about Tucson, Arizona, where my you know, the relative humidity here is 5%. You know, I mean we all dry out. So it's just a very curious thing. So I wanted to add that because um it's a it's a strong support for what you're saying, Dr. Siegel, for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, well, mycotoxins come in through air and you know, homes that have leaks and stuff like that, but it's also coming in through the food, through grains in particular. So people that are feeding processed foods have a much higher risk. It's coming in through water. So there's a lot of other areas that we're not appreciating that mycotoxins come in. And then microplastics the same way. We just don't realize how much we're exposed to. So definitely want to test for those. And mycotoxins in particular can suppress the absorption of other minerals. So that's one of the things you'll see on our testing is we start seeing that these animals are below the mean average of a lot of their minerals. I can almost guarantee they're gonna have mycotoxins. And through the company that both Dr. Randy and I use, we test for five different categories. And I'm finding animals that are minimum of three, usually all five, and at very high levels. So big area. And then the next area is electromagnetic pollution. So the EMF pollution that we have. Ever since the C-word, the COVID experience, a lot of what happened during that time was the outpouring of 5G. And I'm I I I don't want to spend a ton of time on this, but I think it's something that we all need to hear. When we have electricity coming into our homes, there's supposed to be a ground that comes into the house, and that ground is supposed to be a neutral empty line. Because of 5G, they are now putting frequency onto that neutral line. You don't know it's there, you can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't taste it. There's nothing that tells you it's there, but it's affecting our quality of life because we have so much more dirty electricity. And people may notice that they're having more appliance issues, they're having more electronic issues. It's such a big deal that large companies that use big computer frameworks and a lot of very sensitive technology, like hospitals and such and laboratories, they are actually putting devices that come from the box from where your electricity starts to start mitigating that dirty electricity, to start evening it out. And that's the big companies are aware of that. You and me, the individuals, we're not being told. So that's an area that I'm extremely passionate about is mitigating the amount of EMF. We're not going to get rid of it. It's not going to go away. But we can change how our bodies interact with this incoherent frequency. And we can change out incoherent frequencies to more coherent frequencies so our bodies are not affected as negatively.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Another big area. And then the last area that we have to make changes because these are the things that contribute to the disease or the dis-ease, and that is the ants that live in our brain. Dr. Randy, those are the automatic negative thoughts. And anybody out there that says, oh, I don't have any negative thoughts, you are not telling the truth.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, because our negative thoughts are actually part of the communication process. We have to become aware of those negative thoughts to realize that it's kind of like a computer program. If you want to get rid of a file, you can't just yell at your computer from across the room. You have to turn the computer on, you have to pull up the files, and you have to go consciously. Do I need this file anymore? It's taking up space on my hard drive. Oh, well, if I need that, then I'm going to keep it. But if I don't need it, if it's a thought that is no longer serving me, I have the option of deleting it and putting in a different hard wire. So I think the automatic negative thoughts are extremely important because our pets entrain to our energy. They entrain to the emotional frequencies that we give off. And I teach this in the Empower Pet Parent Course.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_01

So as we become aware of what our own energy patterns are, our own angers, frustrations, I call those the low vibrating emotions. As we become aware of them, it gives us the empowerment to actually decide do we want to keep that? Because it's a pattern. You know, anybody out there right now listening, think about an emotion that you keep having. Is it anger, frustration, betrayal, bitterness, blame, shame, whatever? You know, is it something that you just interestingly keep seeing happening over and over and over again? It's like your GPS coming up and saying, Well, you missed the turn, you know, make a U-turn at the next traffic light and you keep ignoring it. Right. But that's what these emotions are. They're signals to us to be able to clean up that particular frequency. But we aren't taught how to do that. We're aren't even taught to be aware of it. So this is all about bringing that awareness. So that's the things that we step number one. Wow, it covered a lot, you know, what you're eating, what you're drinking, what you're breathing, what's touching your skin, the amount of electromagnetic pollution, and then the ants in your brain.

SPEAKER_00

And we um I we also wanted to mention there's a couple, uh obviously there's there's six of these steps that we you had talked about, and um you had mentioned a little bit about supplying essential nutrients.

SPEAKER_01

That's number two.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Then leaky gut, which uh is is unbelievable. You know, um, it started creeping into my vocabulary about 10 years ago when animal biome first started doing their work. And um it's so amazing to me now to see in the human world that individual microbacteria are now um you know kind of allotted to certain diseases. You know, you have psoriasis. Oh, it could be bloussia, you know, or you know, and it's amazing how specific this is getting. And I tell my clients, keep an eye on this because it's gonna become so huge. And um, they're even doing a study here at the U of A in humans on gut-brain connection. And even getting that uh that microbiome through FMT, fecal microbiome transfer, corrected has corrected situations like mania and and bipolar disease in some people. So it's really exciting, really exciting area.

SPEAKER_01

It really is. So, like you said, step number two. Step number one was stop doing the things that are causing the problem. Number two is provide the essential nutrients. We just live in a world where our farming practices are not regenerative. And I live in a self-made food forest. So everything on my property is regenerative farming, and I still take my essential nutrients because you can't test that in the soil. You don't know what those specific vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and fatty acids are are there or not. So to me, you just take those essential ones and now you don't have to worry about it. And then number three is fixing the leaky gut. So all the things that we do to repair that um, the damage to the tight junctions that are in all mucous membranes, all the lining of the gut. But we have to stop doing the damage before you can actually fix the gut. And and I I want to say it that way because so many people want to run to the fun and sexy stuff, but they don't want to do the basic work. You know, if I'm trying to clean up a river and every weekend I go down there with a team of people to clean out all the garbage, but no one told the people upstream to stop throwing their pollution in. Now we get a visual, right? You're never gonna get ahead of it. So those three pillars are really important. And the number four is my big passion, and that is detoxification of the six organs of elimination. So here we have these amazing bodies that have a built-in detoxification cleansing system. What's happened though is we've created such a toxic load that our bodies were never designed to be able to handle that level of toxicity. As an example, when we test liver enzymes, in my early practice, normal liver enzymes were 45 to 90. Now that's not an important number per se, but now when you compare to what the labs are saying are normal, they're down into the low teens, and they're saying a liver that has almost no enzyme coming out of those cells. I'm gonna describe what that is. We're measuring the amount of enzyme that is in a given cell of the liver. And when that cell dies or is injured, it releases the enzyme and we can measure that. Well, we know through normal metabolism, normal life, there's gonna be aging cells, there's gonna be some turnover. That's how we know that there's a certain amount that's supposed to be there. If you hit that liver or damage it with a toxin or something, then you get a whole bunch more of those cells that are busting open and dying. That number is going to go a lot higher. Makes sense because you have a lot more cells that are busting up.

SPEAKER_02

Sure.

SPEAKER_01

But what veterinarians are not trained on is when that number goes down. So when it goes below 45, that used to be the normal. Now they make a bell curve with the lab and they're including a sicker and sicker population. We started our conversation with that. So the more sick that population is, the lower that number may go in the bell curve to accommodate the sickest of the sick. So it's very important that when you're interpreting lab work, you have somebody who really understands what those numbers mean. Because you imagine the little engine that couldn't go up because it didn't have enough power, right? That liver is in charge of hundreds of functions. And when it is barely turning over and barely doing anything because it's so burdened, then you have a lot of consequences from that. So we're big into detoxification, and the six organs of elimination are the kidney, the colon, the lungs, the liver, the skin. And then I now include with the lymphatics, I include the fascia. So technically the lymph runs through the fascia, but we've only learned about the fascia for the past 20 years. And it's, I would arguably say, one of the most important systems in the body because there's so much that happens in that fascia. It's the communication highway for the mitochondria to talk to the microbiome. It's the communication highway for all the cells to communicate. It's what holds everything together. And it's super important. When there's blockages there, then everything else gets stopped up. And as we age, there's this natural tendency for strictures to occur. We've got tissue damage, we've had surgery, we've had injury, and learning how to decompress that fascia, which is one of our my programs. I teach pet parents how to do that. No tools required, just your hands and gravity and understanding how you're moving that animal and how you're positioning them. So these are really core principles to be able to implement as a pet parent so that your pets can age gracefully. And we need to do that for ourselves. That's one of the key things I do on a daily basis, is I do fascia decompression. And then number five is supporting the mitochondria. There's everything that we've done leads up to supporting the mitochondria. And those mitochondria are our communication and they're in charge of producing energy. And there's so many things that they are required in our bodies, and we have to learn how to support them in the best way possible. And the number six is clearing the trapped emotions that we talked about earlier. It's uh all the that negative stuff that we are here to clear. I think that's the whole reason that it's becoming such a trend of awareness now.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. And I want to remind our listeners if you're enjoying this episode, please subscribe, comment, and share as much as possible. It's all free, and we want to get this out to as many people as possible. And that's the blessing in someone like Dr. Siegel because um, you know, we both know that we're not looking to get rich on this kind of stuff, we're looking to improve the quality of your life and your pet's life, this one health idea. So let's um let's lastly talk about the paradigm shift. Um you've been we've been seeing this happening for a few decades, but uh maybe you can comment on on that for us if you could.

SPEAKER_01

Sure. So let's talk about a belief system and what a belief system is. Now, there's five energy bodies. We're gonna talk people now. There's five energy bodies. You have your spiritual body, your that your spiritual body is your connection to higher consciousness. I'm gonna call it my thumb. And then that moves down and connects to your mental body, and your mental body is where your thoughts are, and that communicates with your emotional body, and that communicates with the etheric body, which is where everything comes together, and then ultimately it's expressed in your physical body. Your belief system is your thought married to your emotion, and that's what makes your belief system. It doesn't make it right or wrong, it just that's what your belief system was. Where do we get them from? Well, when we're young, little toddlers, our belief systems are formed from watching our family members, our parents' belief systems, our siblings, our teachers, what we're taught in medical school or high school. So we're in a society where we have been trained into thinking fast, cheap, and convenient. And that's our belief system that we can get health out of a box that's good for 20 years on the shelf.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And, you know, kids nowadays they don't even know where their food comes from. They don't even know what it means to actually make and grow your herbal teas or um a chicken that actually lays the eggs that you use, or what the chicken, you know, there's such a disconnect between people and Mother Earth. So when we stop and we go, why are we the sickest nation? Why do we have cancer in pets? One out of 1.65 dogs, that's an old statistic, Dr. Randy. I'm sure that number's higher. You and I are seeing almost every dog in our practice will get cancer at some point in their life. And I'm seeing cancer in dogs under one year of age. Cats, they say one out of three, I think that's highly underreported.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So our pet parents now are starting to appreciate the fact that their pets are sicker than they've ever been, despite the fact that we have so much technology in the US, and they are sicker than any population in the world. And we're starting to accept responsibility. What am I eating? What am I drinking? What am I putting on my body? What am I cleaning my house with? What am I exposing my pets to? And so we see an entire population that is moving back to critical thinking. And what I mean by critical thinking is when we can stop and ask the question, does that make sense? Yes. Is there anything, and I don't even like the word science anymore, because after COVID and, you know, Fauci and his everything is science, which was nothing about science, I think that has been a tainted conversation. But coming back to critical thinking, now that's a conversation we should have. And anytime that I have a question about what is the right choice to make, I literally look at a model in nature. How does nature handle a carnivore? How does nature handle an herbivore? How does nature, how do bees survive in community? And we look at the models in nature, and if we can model After that, we will restore the health of our planet, which will then restore the health of our pets and ourselves.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And I you you've mentioned a number of times when we've talked about meeting people where they're at, so you can gauge, you know, what they'll do with your recommendation or customize a treatment protocol, changes in general. And I think this is really important because not everybody will get it to start with. Not everybody will be at the same level. We you and I wish that they were here and maybe they're here. But I think meeting people and understanding, and that's why I always um I kind of laugh a little bit about some of the new vet students that I see because their social skills, you know, at as you and I both know, because now I have, you know, multiple kids uh who have all been through uh social media and and smartphones, uh, you know, they have um they have gotten away from nature. And, you know, there's this people that talk about, you know, a green deficiency where they're just not even getting outside uh to do the things that they do. So I think it's really important that we judge, you know, kind of who we're talking to and and what information we're giving them and how they get it to make sure that we we get on the right track.

SPEAKER_01

I love practical suggestions. I am that's a thousand percent what I help people with. And so what I teach is to take a piece of paper and you fold it in half and make a column A and a column B. So now, you know, here's your paper folded. Column A are all the things that you're learning that you should be doing. You may not be doing them yet, that's okay. Sure. Just make the list. Sure. And then column B or all the things that you're learning that you shouldn't be doing, but you still are. You haven't learned a substitution for it. So no judgment. Just write it down. That becomes your blueprint. And then every time you go to a new podcast or a reliable source that you want to follow, you keep adding to column A all the things that you should be doing, but you're not yet. Column B, all the things you shouldn't be doing, but you are. Now you pick one thing from column A and you start doing it. Pick one thing from column B and just stop it. You know, it's just it sometimes it's the same thing, right? But now you mark it off and in in a month's time, you have made some massive decisions. And that's what we'll help people with is pick the most important things to start doing and the most important things to stop doing. And then as you work down that list, you've made massive changes. It's a sustainable way of doing it because now you can live with that. Now it becomes who you are, not what you do.

SPEAKER_00

And you know, I think this is so wonderful because I think people see or listen to a podcast like this or go to your site or my site, and there's overwhelm. I mean, you know, there's so much. Um, look, there's so much for you and I to digest on a daily basis. And, you know, I've got you beef by a couple of years in practice, but I still love what I do because every day I learn. And if you're open uh like you are, uh like I try to be, uh, you know, it'll it'll come, you know. So, but but don't get overwhelmed. I mean, like Dr. Siegel suggested, be practical, be simple, and break it down. And and I think it makes so much sense. And um, I can't tell you I again how much I appreciate you coming on uh to pause, reflect, and heal. And I want to thank you so much for what you do and what you've done for all of our pets, for people like myself and growing and stuff like that. It's it's a pleasure. I hope that um I can come to Tampa and spend a little time with you or get you out to Tucson. Well, we got to do that. But I'm gonna I'm gonna my first thing I'm gonna do is go to your site and become an affiliate, and I want to learn the empowerment thing, and then I'm gonna go from there. So I want to remind everybody that uh Dr. Siegel can be found at Dr. Marlene Siegel, and it's S-I-E-G-E-L.com, or her Instagram is Dr. Marlene Siegel. And if you like what you heard, uh tell a friend, subscribe to Dr. Randy PetFett. I'm at Dr. Randy PetFett on Instagram, uh, YouTube, God knows where else. We we try to get the information out. But um any last closing things that you'd like to share, uh Dr. Marlene?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I think above and beyond everything else, do something. Take that baby step, take that action. Don't just sit back and go, oh, it's too hard, it's too much, it's too expensive, I'm too tired. No, pick one thing and just make that baby step forward and watch the transformation in your life. We have the greatest opportunity on this planet to make changes and to make improvements. And every single one of us, every one of us are important. And we all have our own gifts and passions and purpose that we can contribute to the bigger picture. So I really encourage each and every one of you is pick something and go for it.

SPEAKER_00

Beautiful. Thank you so much. Um, stay warm. I know you're experiencing a little bit of cold down there. Hello? Yeah. We're at 75 again today, so I'm not going to comment because I have friends in Minnesota that they just can't believe it all the time. So yeah. Anyway, um, I look forward to seeing you again, and thank you for sharing so much of this. And you've been you're just you're fabulous. You're just such a pioneer. Thank you. We appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you. Love you guys. Bye.

SPEAKER_00

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