Between Takes with 1413
The two creatives spearheading 1413 Visuals are talking about all things studio life -- work, music, love etc.
Between Takes with 1413
Ep 3: Is Creative Guilt Real?
Have you ever stumbled upon an old photograph and felt a wave of nostalgia so strong it stopped you in your tracks? That's exactly where our latest heart-to-heart takes us, as we laugh and reminisce about the serendipitous moments life throws at us. Amidst tales of a rare kid-free weekend and pet-induced pandemonium, we also ponder the amusing dilemma of gift-giving in the age of online shopping anxiety. No guest needed when it's just two pals musing over the simple complexities that make everyday a little more colorful.
As creatives, the quest for balance between passion projects and the grind can feel like a tightrope walk over a bustling city street. We open up about the yearning for recognition in our work and the personal tug-of-war that comes with seeking creative satisfaction. Music, our ever-present muse, gets its due credit as we discuss how Billy Idol's haunting '80s melodies and Morgan Wade's '70s-inspired tunes create a soundtrack to our lives that's as varied as the work we pour our souls into. Listen in for an intimate session that celebrates the creative spirit, the tunes that inspire it, and the candid confessions of two friends riding the rollercoaster of life's little moments and big dreams.
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Speaker 2:No, I don't. Anyway, welcome back to Between Takes. It's been a while. It has been has it been a while really, though it's been like a couple days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but uh been doing anything fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, I did go and shoot for somebody who's recording a new song at the studio in town. Yeah, that was fun. That was fun. It's someone, it's Eric, so I work with him a lot. He told me that they have been working on a gift for me. Hit him and the guys and the band and they were like he said oh, we were trying to have it be done today so we could bring it with us today, but it's not done. Something that's gonna, he said, would go on my wall. So I'm really not excited to be involved in that exchange, but I am, you know, pretty. I think it's pretty cool that they thought to get me a gift, but maybe they'll just mail it.
Speaker 2:Or drop it off at the studio or drop it off at someone.
Speaker 1:Leave it with me, then I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, leave it somewhere for me to pick up when I'm by myself. That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 1:But you do appreciate stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think. I think it's really cool that that even like crossed their mind to do what's on your hat, fox and Veed, let's see here.
Speaker 1:Let's see here what is new. I have been editing in the studio. In the first day of editing in the studio, it's all about me cleaning up the studio so I can semi edit without being distracted, which still doesn't work. And then I've been working on the live streaming rig, which I wanted to be mobile, a little cart that I walk up in live stream stuff.
Speaker 2:It weren't. When you were cleaning, you found a SD card right.
Speaker 1:I did, I did and it's from a point and shoot that Tracy and I had in like 2013. I popped in the computer. Of course, you know, like the ADD side just like totally derailed my cleaning.
Speaker 2:Like you know how that is, you sat there for like 20 minutes. You started on. You like, started working on stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but then I had to, I had to look at those photos, so that was kind of a trip down memory lane, which was pretty neat, it's nice to have. That was before kids, before life really took off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. What about what did you do this weekend? I guess it's more of what I was talking about. Oh, like, what did you do today? You just listed off the things you've done today.
Speaker 1:This weekend.
Speaker 2:Didn't you have a kid free night recently? That was around Valentine's Day. That was a Valentine's Day, but this weekend it wasn't on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1:Well, you're right, we had my mom came and watched the kids, so we could go out to. We went to native, which was delicious doing with the Nash. But this weekend coming up is a kids free weekend.
Speaker 2:Wow, what. Nobody ever texts me ever. Oh, so I have the dogs booked to board this weekend yeah. And so I just got six text messages to for each dog, one confirming the boarding and one confirming their shots while boarding.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's why my phone is going insane. I was right that nobody texts me.
Speaker 1:It was all text messages.
Speaker 2:I just happen to have a gaggle of dogs to be texted about.
Speaker 1:It's gaggle the correct term. I like it. I think we heard.
Speaker 2:Well, if you'd seen my dogs, you wouldn't call them a herd. Oh really. They're not very coordinated, like ducks or geese, I mean that's so more coordinated than they're all on their own program. It's definitely a gaggle, yeah, anyway. So that was bugging me because it was vibrating right there a lot of times.
Speaker 1:That's all it was.
Speaker 2:Phone is dry. Sam, you like always respond so well, just excited my phone's going off.
Speaker 1:My phone blows up in the morning because if I order something from my Amazon it's going to be delivered that day. I get one round of notifications saying that each item In Greenville and then another round right after that saying it's out for delivery. So if I had like five packages, that's 10.
Speaker 2:Turn the text notifications off. You can't complain.
Speaker 1:I'm relating to you.
Speaker 2:You're complaining, but speaking of packages, no, anyway. So I'm going to see my family this weekend and we're doing like we're partially doing Christmas, so I'm bringing all these gifts with me and I volunteered to buy. There's two little live pets that the girls that my nieces really wanted, that they didn't get. It's like the pig and the sheep and I was like I jumped on the opportunity to buy. I'm totally forgot, and that and you could I have to order them on Amazon. I can't there, none of the stores sell both of them, I remember on Sunday, so it looks an afternoon. So I ordered them Sunday afternoon, which is fine. They're like they're gonna be here Wednesday. It's like okay, cool, as long as they're on here on time. That like that's fine.
Speaker 2:I should note that my luck with Amazon is everything I, or anytime I order something that I need it to be here on a certain day, it never comes on time. It's it's delayed every single time. It's never failed, even when I've paid extra for shipping, like I did for this one. It was like seven bucks, so it's not that big of a deal, but I did go ahead and pay for shipping so it'd be here on Wednesday. Yeah Well, it's like automatically linked to my Venmo card. Amazon doesn't actually charge the card you choose until it's like Prost, like they they're getting it ready to ship or whatever. Yeah, so then at like 2 am this morning I got an email from Amazon saying my payment was declined. Yeah, so I changed my card to my regular card and it like went through fine, no problem, everything. But now they're set to be delivered Thursday and still haven't actually shipped so you don't know so I like have this.
Speaker 2:It says they're gonna be delivered by 10 pm On Thursday. If that happens, if they get delivered Thursday, I will like I'll be fine, I'll throw in the suitcase, it'll be all fine. Yeah but my history with Amazon Is that they will not be like I'll get a notification on Thursday. That's like, oh, they're delayed and they'll be delivered Friday when I'm once I land of course and I'd like it's just so. I mean I have other guests. I'll be bringing guests still, but these are like the main gifts.
Speaker 1:It really sucks like it that you're excited, that you're like okay, I'm getting them once. They don't have that. My mom didn't buy yeah these are gonna be like cool, and here we go.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, anyway. So I'm afraid that these packages are going to not arrive on time because Amazon's Method of taking payment is stupid. Yeah but whatever. I've ordered them and I suppose I'll tell you next week yeah, they got here on, that's all says I can't wait for next week update.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I was growing up I had my four brothers and sisters their quads, but anyway, when they were little they had to tickle me, elma.
Speaker 2:And he had overalls, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I loved him.
Speaker 1:Well, this one was at toy box at night and I went downstairs to get like a snack, like 1130 or whatever, late at night. I was the only one something shifted in the toy box where it fell on it, and not only was it talking, the batteries were dying.
Speaker 2:So this demonic.
Speaker 1:Ha ha ha, tickle me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 1:It was really scary. I don't. I feel like mine didn't say tickle me, but I can't remember the say, the phrases that it said, but it's you know you're my best friend or something like that.
Speaker 2:He had these like grungy overalls on, loved it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you did this. That's your style, right?
Speaker 2:And I'm like, yeah, she's gonna say I'm thinking back to this. And I'm like, wow, that like I'm getting this nostalgia. And then like, does this explain my taste in men? I don't know, maybe I'll keep you updated red and fuzzy men yeah anyway so can we talk about tickle me? Recap. You have a kid-free weekend coming up. I don't. I, on the other hand, have a kid full.
Speaker 1:Not for split second, like wait a minute, are you?
Speaker 2:always have a kid-free weekend. Exactly not this weekend, though.
Speaker 1:You get to leave those kids.
Speaker 2:And then, oh yeah, I, what did I even say that I did? Oh, I was at the studio on the gift the gift things, probably the coolest thing.
Speaker 2:I think it's really, I'm excited, I think it's really cool that they're they're so appreciative. I think it's weird in my head because, just like he goes back and forth, like it's so different between clients or you have people that are just like so over-the-moon appreciative. They think that you're doing these great things, where in In our heads we're diminishing them. Then you have clients that like can't be bothered to Acknowledge even like half of the work that you put in for what they're doing. I think sometimes I'm just internally surprised of like people that really do appreciate it and and think of it as such a big deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you do so many things that Goes unnoticed, that you just show up, do your thing, you send them off and then it's like cool it. But it really does mean a lot when that, when somebody thinks of something special to do, no matter it's not, it's not even a price thing as far as like, oh, this thing costs a lot, likes just a thought that goes into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that, yet that they carry your like work in such high regard. Yeah especially when, like a lot of times, I don't carry my work in such high regard. We should think we're all kind of hard on ourselves, especially creative. So I think we're our biggest our own biggest critics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, cuz I try constantly. I'm like, show me, show me something really cool that you think's cool. You know that you've done, you know, show me, but it's, it's. It's hard to get. Like, hey, I think I did a really badass job on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not ever really impressed with myself.
Speaker 1:I'm really trying to think of.
Speaker 2:Something else like I really did good on, yeah, yeah it's like no matter, and I think a lot of people are like this and maybe we need we all need to collectively work on it, but we can watch our own work and always find something that wasn't good enough or wasn't that you would have done differently or something, and it's easier to focus on that, like we're like yeah, I did master this whole new skill I've been wanting to do, but like this five seconds of it I'm not a fan, so the whole video sucks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have hyper fixate. Yeah, on that one part, when you're you're looking at Something that maybe everything at like 80% of it is awesome and different than the normal, yeah, and like you said, you like I said like you're you, literally I've done it.
Speaker 2:I've done it so many times where I like do something that I've been wanting to do in a video, mm-hmm. But I'm not happy with the other couple other parts in it and it will completely take away from the happiness I had about executing the new skill or technique.
Speaker 1:Do you think you'll ever do a video where you were 100% proud of it in? You're like this is my best work, We'll see.
Speaker 2:I guess, if I'm being realistic now, just because I, I nobody's harder on me than me. I say that all the time, but it's a truth. So, like I think I would have to, I don't know what I would have to do to look at something and be like, holy crap, I'm good at this. Yeah, you know, like I, I never look at myself like I still take Components like so wholeheartedly, even though they make me feel really uncomfortable. It's still like sit to me because I never look at my stuff and and I'm like, dang, I am good at what I do. Like it, that that's like. I'm like, oh man, I, I could have done this better. I really shouldn't have put this style mixed with this style. That's too harsh. This isn't I'm doing too much in this like. If I look at anything too long, I'll pick it apart, so I can never.
Speaker 1:It's really hard for me to look at stuff as an overview and be like I get frustrated by External factors that sometimes affect the way a video is, whether it be if I was doing something with sound or I was shooting a show and the sound which is off, there's nothing I could have done about it other than bring my whole Sound rig and do.
Speaker 1:But you know, like that's just not Possible for something like that. I don't like that kind of stuff where it's at the external factors. Or I'm kind of like you, especially with the like Commercial side of stuff, that I try to work in these creative techniques, whether it be like a hyperlapse or whatever, just something different. Then the status quo, and sometimes I get frustrated because I want to do these cool things but I got to keep in mind what the real vision and message of the commercial is. But I'll try, I'll try to fit yeah, like if I'm doing something, I got something on my head I want to do, do that, and I think that's what makes a Commercial standout. It's not just a glorified PowerPoint.
Speaker 2:I get that. I feel like it's even might be a little more difficult for you because you'll see these really cool techniques and cool things. You're your bread and butter, the big thing. The main thing you do is like corporate stuff, and so I get why you see these cool techniques and you want to try them.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:You want to fit them in like you want to use them, you want to see where you can fit them in and your a lot of times your only opportunity is to try to put them in that, those corporate videos.
Speaker 1:I've always tried that when I'm caught up with editing, I tried to put a day on the calendar where I'm able to Try different techniques, do new things that I can implement, like sure, on a set and I felt guilty for doing that, because was I making money from a client at that point? No, was I.
Speaker 2:Well, you can be argued that that skill, that that, whoever keep growing your skill in order to continue making money, yeah yeah, and that's that is part of it.
Speaker 1:But I just feel guilty because I'm not shooting, I'm not editing something that's gonna directly make me money at that point. But that's something that I'm like I have to do this because otherwise I'll get burnout and the stuff will look the same every time I shoot it and and like that's been kind of my outlet to Learn new things and to get good enough at them where I can implement them at a shoot on like a time-friendly Process creators guilt. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean I, I mean I get like that and I wouldn't even. I feel like you. Practicing new techniques is it is like a positive for your work, like I get creators guilt with stuff like cleaning my house and sleeping and we should cut that out like Taking a break that I.
Speaker 2:I work when I on my switch studio days. I come in in the morning, here I'm at the computer, I'm editing various things all day and then I go home straight into my home office computer and edit stuff. I'm not complaining about that. I love what I do, but I I what. What I get like creators guilt about is if I take a five to nine section off and I last night I did it I was like I got home, I went right into my office, I sat down, I was like you know, like no, I want to curl up in my room, like on my bed, and turn on a movie that I haven't seen.
Speaker 2:Well, at first it was gonna be an Adam Sandler movie, but that's what movies like I couldn't decide which one, so I went with none and I watched a movie. I Watched a movie called good grief. It's an interesting movie. It's about like loss and stuff, but it's like kind of funny-ish. I don't know. It was like it's one of the movies like you have to like watch. It's pretty artistic, but I mean I ended up liking it fine, but that's not the point. Anyway, I took a night off, though, like I, and I told myself I was gonna do that. But I have so many things I need to do, and especially going out of town. But I have so many projects I need to finish, so many I need to even start still and get finished. And I get this overwhelming like guilt about the fact that there was a four-hour period where I wasn't working, or even whatever how many of our hours, but like an evening where I wasn't it working.
Speaker 1:Does that guilt almost ruin your little bit of time you're taking off where? You're sitting there like I really should be on my computer editing well and well, normally it's, it's not during, it's Like.
Speaker 2:So like the next morning when I wake up and whatever, and I realized, like the stuff I have to do, I'm like man, I can't just be taking breaks. Yeah, you better not just be taking nights off, and especially where I really didn't do anything, I just chilled. I made some strawberries and green oatmeal. And Watch this movie, it's pretty wild night for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I enjoyed it, but I, you know, my house needs to be cleaned, my yard needs to be mowed, I have a dog that I need to cut his hair, I have work. I need to do so, just an evening, to just relax. You know, I the next day I instantly regret it and I have this like creators guilt about the fact that I didn't do anything productive. How dare I?
Speaker 1:Time to myself. Have you seen a little graphic that's been shown on social media? It's like it's totally okay for a creator or creative people to not do anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm. It says like creative people need time to do nothing yeah yeah, and it's true. I agree. It's true, we really do, and we never want to do it.
Speaker 1:I don't say the only person that's keeping you from doing that is yourself, and and I'm allowed to do that.
Speaker 2:I'm allowed to have a night where I didn't do anything, so I deserve to do that every now and then. I know I've Checked stuff off the box, I know I've done all these things, but I have so many things left on the list I have no time yeah, no time to acknowledge what I've done. Yeah and, like heaven forbid, I take a break.
Speaker 1:Better not. I don't know You're editing.
Speaker 2:I know and it's like, yeah, but I do think, actually think creators guilt I don't know if that's a real term, but I think it holds me back sometimes, think I would be do so much better if I allotted time, like, okay, you know I'm not working on Sundays, I'm gonna that's your break, I'm gonna take my slow day, clean my like clean, do whatever Lay around if I want, like if that's what I want to do, if I want to lay around all day on Sunday.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna do that, like if I think, if I allowed myself to do that, I would probably feel so much better and even probably get more done.
Speaker 1:Would your brain let you do that? That's why I'm?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't think so. I think that emotionally, no, it wouldn't. Logically I'm like this one. You should do this, but emotionally I'm like I could never. I don't have time whole day off.
Speaker 1:What are you, the amateur? Amateur hour yeah, no how have you been handling? Okay, so you started with 14 13, you're doing video stuff in a day and then you're doing Video stuff at video putter stuff at night. How are you handling, like, taking on new clients that are the same clients, not 14 13? Like, I feel like you've been what do you mean?
Speaker 2:How am I handling it like?
Speaker 1:Have you had to limit the amount of free shit you do?
Speaker 2:I've been doing that for a while. I don't do anymore free, like I only take paid gigs, and it's not because I like don't have time and I'm not taking that for granted by any means, but it's nice, yeah. Yeah, it's nice to be able to feel like I have the freedom to say no to some like and kind of value the clients that value me, like I have the freedom to do that.
Speaker 1:Not cool which is cool?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Overall, what my point was like I have the freedom to value people who value me. That's which is cool. I think this turned into an episode about like creator skill. It is, but it's fun but I'm fine with that topic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's a good topic this is definitely episode where we got to listen to that.
Speaker 2:No, I just.
Speaker 1:I turn off the audio and I look at the waveforms and I just Mean well, like when I'm cutting out arms and brakes.
Speaker 2:I do that you could.
Speaker 1:You can look at it. Yeah, especially if you just the same person. You're like let's see that big old waveform right at the beginning and it dips down. That you're like that's a um.
Speaker 2:I don't um as bad as I thought. I do what I do as I go and no, let's see you hold on, let let you are yes, yes, yes, you get your thoughts together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it reminds me of the dial up tone. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately. Yes, me podcasting is exactly like the dial up tone. I want my Dundee to be like Best what you're Dundee yeah.
Speaker 1:Song of the week. Hit me with it. No, this is kind of it's a mood that I like. That mood is 80s because it is a 80 song. It's the most 80 center song you could probably think of. It is eyes without a face by Billy Idol. Sometimes I like that. I guess it'd be like retro wave sound from the 80s, but it is that and that's why I like it. Okay, your turn.
Speaker 2:It's interesting that you mention an era, as you're like the mood. My song of the week is Wilder Days by Morgan Wade and I love this song because to me it feels like doing house chores on a summer day, like with the windows open, and it's very like 70s. Yeah, feel I love her album another one of those albums I can listen to cover to cover and absolutely love all the songs. But Wilder Days Specifically I like because it has that like Nostalgic summer feeling song of the week.
Speaker 1:Song of the week.