Between Takes with 1413
The two creatives spearheading 1413 Visuals are talking about all things studio life -- work, music, love etc.
Between Takes with 1413
Behind The Lens: Navigating The Concert Photography Industry
Sarah, a touring videographer and photographer, shares her journey and insights into building a successful career in the music industry. She discusses the importance of celebrating wins along the way while continuing to push for new goals.
• Building relationships is more important than technical skills in the touring world
• Starting in small venues with bad lighting develops crucial problem-solving abilities
• Networking with bands, crew members, and other industry professionals opens unexpected doors
• Monetizing knowledge through platforms like Patreon can be valuable when people constantly ask for advice
• Learning through trial and error builds more versatile skills than starting at the top
• The music industry is small - your reputation (good or bad) follows you everywhere
• Success comes from hard work, not luck - being in the right place consistently creates opportunities
Check out the songs of the week: "Minerva" by Deftones, "The Luckier You Get" by American Aquarium, and "Pride" by Lexx and "Sticky" by Tyler the Creator.
Song of the Week Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7lDyWnUnAmvuUkf8wj7ilK?si=df11343db17c4df0
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Watch the Episodes: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNEbTpI9bZA7POvKaNto2RQ
Finger guns peace.
Speaker 2:Oh Jesus. Christ Thumbs up, it's just us girls.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to Between Takes. We are here without Josh, finally.
Speaker 3:Nuh-uh, I'm back here, he said no, I'm right here.
Speaker 1:Just kidding. We're here with Sarah, though A little special guest today in the studio. Sarah, give us your elevator speech.
Speaker 3:I am a touring videographer and photographer and I have a boudoir studio.
Speaker 1:Sarah and I have been chatting online on social media for it's been a while.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've been chatting.
Speaker 1:We finally made our set plans to meet up and hang out Recently. We actually talked about it on an episode a couple episodes back, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I forgot about that, yeah.
Speaker 1:I was excited, so fun fact. We're still cool after meeting in person.
Speaker 2:She doesn't hate me. Sam didn't scare her away.
Speaker 1:Now she came and hung out with us in the studio and we're like, well, obviously we need to get her on the podcast. She tours full-time. Basically, yeah, that's like your main thing, that's what I want to do and I'm working my way up and getting there. So, yeah, that's where we kind of I feel like that's probably what we're going to chat about.
Speaker 3:Um, josh does not tour he could, though, and he could come out and do lights.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would try it. I like learning new stuff.
Speaker 3:I think you'd do great at lights. Honestly, that's his yeah, I feel like that's his expertise is lighting, and it would be the best thing having him as my LD instead of somebody who hates me because I'm asking for 100 things. I'm like can you go brighter?
Speaker 2:The whole time I would be thinking about, um, how, how it would look on camera and on video.
Speaker 3:So I got you, I got you, yeah yeah, we had um one of the bands I toured with, we had a ld that strobed for like an obscene amount of time, to the point where I was just like, okay, I think I'm dying now I don't think I'd be able to handle strobe lights at a.
Speaker 3:I will. They were like pointed at the crowd and the stage was like eye level with me. So it was to a point where I thought something happened, like something malfunctioned, because it was just like going and going and going and I was like, okay Is something broken.
Speaker 3:I was like is something broken? Because I'm going blind? We get done. And he's like's like oh, that was amazing. He's like it looks so cool from front of house. I was like I bet, yeah, I can't see anything ever again. It looked terrible back here. I was like I think my retinas are burned out.
Speaker 1:That never happens to me because a lot of my gigs don't have lds.
Speaker 2:You're lucky if there's lights, I'm lucky if there's lights. Look, I've been in that realm. A lot of my gigs don't have LDs. You're lucky if there's lights. I'm lucky if there's lights.
Speaker 3:Look, I've been in that realm because I started shooting shows back in 2011 and then touring in 2016 is when that started. That was like here or there, like a week, two weeks, you know like little stuff. And now it's. I feel like every time I leave I'm gone for like two months. It's been a little bit well, a little bit less. They they don't do more than a month because their singer has like two little girls. So I've done the.
Speaker 1:I think the longest I've been gone, just like solid, was three months um, love, that wish I could do that you can, I will one day, you will, I will one day. I was telling you guys this is who I was telling Whoops when I was earlier I was talking about I think that this summer is going to be the biggest year yet that I've had as far as just like getting gigs that make me feel successful, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Like I am on paper I am successful, but like I'm not where I want to be.
Speaker 3:Well, I think the second that you're like okay, I'm where I want to be. It's like well, where's your next step?
Speaker 2:Where's the next thing? Where do you go next?
Speaker 3:I think it's important to always want to keep climbing and growing, but it's also something that I didn't do, especially in the beginning of my career, was celebrate the wins along the way. Definitely do that, because there's so many times I'm like this was such a cool thing that I did not. I didn't let myself sit in that feeling yeah, and I wish I would have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I still even like now where I'm not doing I don't know like crazy, insane things, but like I have to catch myself because it's like sometimes you're focused so hard on where you're trying to get that you like forget to appreciate, yeah, even the fact that, like where you are are, or where I am now, compared to where I was two years ago, and even how far of a difference that is. Sometimes I'm so worried about where I want to be next and the fact that I'm not there yet that I forget to be like okay, but remember where you started and where you were, even six months ago. Everything's just always changing and like getting better, but it's sometimes I get caught up in that Like it's not enough, it's not.
Speaker 3:It's hard, it's it's so easy to get, especially with social media, I feel like, cause there's always somebody out there doing something more, something bigger, something better, something you wish you had thought of, and it's like if you don't celebrate the wins one, nobody else is going to celebrate them for you.
Speaker 3:They're just going to go okay, well, clearly that wasn't cool, yes, and so it's just hard, because I think I've done that with a lot of things in life where I'm just like, oh no, just the next thing, let's just keep going, keep pushing, and it's like you really should slow down and, like celebrate and look around at what you're doing, because one day you're not gonna be able to do all this right.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll be 90 years old in a wheelchair, still doing splits, though still doing splits? Well, I couldn't even do splits at 15 or now. I have to admit I cannot do.
Speaker 3:I'm actually talking about doing a split workshop.
Speaker 1:You should come I you know what one thing about me. I'll give it a try. I'll try success.
Speaker 3:I have negative flexibility, like I don't think that's a thing you have you saw me try to touch my toes earlier.
Speaker 1:You can't tell me that that's not negative flexibility it's not, you're just not warmed up.
Speaker 3:You gotta stretch. That's all warmed up. It's not, you're just not warmed up. You got to stretch.
Speaker 1:That's all Warmed up. Yeah, you saw me. As warm as it gets, that's it?
Speaker 3:There's no. You said as warm as it gets, there's no warmer.
Speaker 1:But I know recently you started a Patreon account I did, which I think is such a cool thing. I think Patreon is such a good way to that social media related to like really make money out of the information that you have, like your expertise and the knowledge you have, like I think it's such a good way for people to put it into a video or like a reference. That because we do get I don't want to say bombarded, because that sounds terrible, terrible, but I feel like all of us that have been doing it for a little while, we do kind of get bombarded with people like asking us for advice and how to do things and what like, where we did where we learned or whatever.
Speaker 1:I think I remember even telling Josh that you started it and I was like I think that that's going to be like. She's a really perfect like person to do that, because you're like another wealth of knowledge it's scary to start it, because I was like what if nobody cares?
Speaker 3:yeah, what no? And like that's been my thought every time I've done something new ever is like what it like when it comes to like photography or videography. I'm like what if nobody cares? And then I'm like, well, I don't care, I care, you know. Like I don't care. Yeah, I care. But I've always liked teaching and I used to just kind of do it like when anybody would ask or had questions about things and I still will answer questions and try to help as much as I can. But the issue I was having was people would ask for help and then immediately turn around and block me yeah, that's crazy. And or like immediately turn around and like hit up the band that I was working for. So it got to a point where it was like, okay, well, this seems silly to like help people who are actively trying to like go after the jobs that I'm doing and I have also spent money on like workshops and mentor calls and things like that and time yeah, and it's like learning the stuff and trial and error, and there's so much that you can just learn by just turning on your camera, messing with some lights and just figuring it out, yeah, yeah
Speaker 3:and make it fun. If you're not having fun, what's the point? Yeah, but it's hard to like do that constantly for people who are asking, like you know, sending messages and stuff, and then they turn around and just ghost you and they're gone and you're just like, well, I wanted you know, like I wanted to be friends, was like I need to figure out a way to do this. And I had started doing the mentor calls, which was fun and I love doing those, and often I would give people more time than they paid for because we were just talking shop and it was fun for me. I was like, well, how can I do this in a way where, if I because, like on tour, I don't typically do mentor calls- it's just chaos.
Speaker 3:Never know what the day is going to look like, and I'm awful at keeping up with the time changes. Yeah, I have to keep them on my phone on, like the screen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do that too otherwise I'm like I don't know where I'm at I don't know what to do, yeah.
Speaker 3:But um, it got to a point where I was like, okay, well, I could do the Patreon and then I could make basically little video guides on how to do different things. So it's like video stuff, photo stuff, touring social media, anything in between. Or you want to learn how to do merch? I'll teach you how to do merch.
Speaker 1:You want to learn how to be a tour manager. I'll teach you how to do that yeah, so and like I do think like there's got to be at some point where you're getting asked all this information over and over and often, like there's got to be a point where we get paid for our knowledge. Anybody who's put in the time to learn and form this like expertise or like get to this point. This is our job, this is what we do.
Speaker 1:Right and so anybody in any other field would expect to be paid for like consultation or to teach someone or instruct someone. I think it's weird when people in our field specifically kind of get the side eye when we do something like this and we're like, yeah, we do want to give you like our knowledge or whatever, but also like we should be compensated for the time we're spending teaching you, because that's time that we could be learning something new. And especially, I've been getting the messages a lot lately with people that are like how did you get started? Like how do I want to do this? Like what path did you take? Or whatever. I feel like I I'm not saying like I want to be, like okay, venmo me five bucks, cause I told you when you start getting asked that when you have enough of a presence that you're getting asked that all the time yeah, it's tricky Taking the time and you're making the content to help people.
Speaker 3:Then there's no like what's going to happen If they don't have a preference. I just kind of come up with something that I think would be cool or like stuff that I was like I wish I would have known that. Yeah. And it's also like I came up in the era of like we didn't really like there wasn't a ton of social media platforms, there wasn't a ton of information out there, and everybody, everybody was like no, my, I'm not telling you anything. So it's like I came up in an era where I really had to like trial and error, really had to put work and effort into like figuring out new things, because it wasn't something that people were just like oh hey, let me show you how to do this.
Speaker 3:Or hey there's a YouTube channel or there's 400 Instagram videos. You know, it's a lot of the questions that I get asked. People could genuinely find on YouTube Right A quick search on Instagram 100%. You could find step-by-step how to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and those people, a lot of the people, that when you're searching something and their videos are the top ones coming up, they're getting paid for your view. So, like, those people made these videos and they're free to you to watch and they're still being compensated for putting that video together and putting that information out. So, like, what's the difference between that and like you expecting to be compensated for the same questions being asked all the time? I just feel like it's like weird when people are kind of have this like sense of entitlement to someone else's knowledge.
Speaker 3:really and like truly time and energy. Nobody anything. Yeah, you know you don't owe anybody anything. It doesn't matter what you know, what you've learned, what you've done. You could know the secret to the fountain of youth.
Speaker 1:You don't have to tell anybody and and gatekeeping has become such a buzzword that it's like if you don't give up everything you know and everything you've learned and paid or worked to get the information. For now you're gatekeeping.
Speaker 3:No like.
Speaker 1:I'll help you Like I. All people reach out to me and ask for advice. I do give them advice. I tell them I don't have collegiate training Like I don't have a degree in it or anything.
Speaker 1:I haven't taken any specific college courses. I am all self-taught, which means I've been exactly where you are and I was taking any form of camera I had at the time out and trying it and figuring out what was working. And when I had questions, I was YouTubing those specific questions. And when I had questions, I was YouTubing those specific questions. And I was spending all these time watching these videos, taking notes, applying what.
Speaker 1:I was learning in these videos to what I was doing, and even like saving them because so that as I was doing it, I could reference back to these videos and like do like I put in a lot of time to teach myself how to do this. I always like given my top tips, kind of thing like YouTube is your friend, talk to everyone. You can get out there and just like ask you know close mouths, don't get fed ask if you can shoot these shows. I think beyond that, when you're expecting someone to be at your beck and call to basically hand teach you the craft and their personal craft just because you asked for it. That's weird.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's gatekeeping.
Speaker 1:I think that that's weird for you to expect that from someone.
Speaker 3:I agree. I think you're almost kind of doing yourself a disservice if you don't try to learn on your own. You're not trying to figure that out, you're not trying to go okay, I have a T3i and a nifty 50, and that's all I got. Like you know, I know the shots are going to be right here Like.
Speaker 3:I'll go to opposite ends of the stage to shoot opposite band members. You know, just try to do anything you can to make it work. But like I now know, like I know how far I can push myself, I know what I can recover in editing, I know how to fix things in editing, because I've had to, because it's like if you don't fix it, you're not going to get paid for this job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but but I feel like that shaped you to being a good photographer concert photographer, because I think that's what a lot of people do is they get so hyped up in gear that they're like I don't want to try, even try this until I have xyz yeah when the right way to do it is to take whatever you have, even if it's your phone, and try and and find out, like maybe these aren't the sit and what I need to do.
Speaker 1:But now I know what I need to do to make it better yeah, because, like I and I'm not one of those people that thinks like, oh, I suffered, you need to suffer too like I'll even send you.
Speaker 1:Like I'll send you the people that I like to watch on youtube like it's not like I do the same thing I'll show you where I learned, like I'll tell you where I learned stuff but I do think that you're not going to learn as much from me just giving you all of the answers that you want A that's not conducive for, like, my time. But then also you're not going to learn as much from me just giving you answers and telling you exactly how I do things and like whatever, as what you're going to learn and gain if you try stuff out and see how you feel about it and what happens when you do things that way well, it's also like bold of you to think that I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:You don't even know if one the person that you're trying to get information from is going to be your style, your vibe, any of that. And I was just gonna say that art is subjective.
Speaker 1:So like, even like what I like and how I like to do things may not be anywhere near the information you need to do the art that you're trying to do right. Like I could give you my exact settings, formula, like editing, like system, yeah, like literally every single thing I do. I could write it down on a piece of paper for you and give it to you, but it might not even be what you're trying to get, the end result, and you won't ever really figure that out until you're trying it for yourself and actually put in that time to learn like what you like how you want things to be and what things will look like for you and the artist you want to be.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of crossover for a lot of stuff that we do that a lot of people don't realize either.
Speaker 3:I knew about lighting and colors and like the color wheel and all of that and complementary colors and all that before touring. So when I was going out on tour making light sheets, I was making light sheets with complementary colors, colors that I knew I could get details out of and also having the forethought to be like, okay, well, there needs to be a whitewash in that, and just knowing how to adjust light, knowing how to play with light, knowing how far you can push light see, and I'm not like great at like lighting as far as just like lighting a scene and making it look.
Speaker 1:However, I want, like that's something I'm still learning, but I will say that color correction and like color theory and even like the color wheel. That was one of the first things I learned, because shootings for bands in like these venues with poor lighting, you really or you really don't have any control over what the lighting is going to be like, what it's going to look like, how it's going to change. You really have to know how to turn that lighting into what you want, and that comes down to color wheel first well, and that.
Speaker 3:Even that even goes back to like if you spend the time in the trenches and like the clubs with the crappy lighting or like the bands who don't believe in lighting, never makes sense to me but, like you know, if you spend time in that with, like your, not so great lens, not so great camera body, it's not the top of the top. If you can make that look good, that's when.
Speaker 1:That's what I say like that's like people are like, oh my gosh, like I've had bands be, like I didn't even see you all night I don't even know how you got these photos turned out or like I went on tour at the band.
Speaker 1:They were like I was really worried about what was going to come out of this show and somehow you made it look cool and it's like yeah, because my career came from out of venues not even close to this level. Right, I had to figure out how to make venues with. No, they did not care. Their stage was in the corner of the room. You know like I hate, I hate those. Yeah, like it wasn't even a stage, they just shoved the band in the corner. You know like I had to figure out how to make places like that work. And so now, when you give me a place that's well lit and the heaven for the lighting is coordinated, yeah, this is going to be the best thing you've ever seen, because I can make something out of absolutely nothing. That's not even just a brag, it's just that no, I know what you mean.
Speaker 3:To do that like I've had to like make something cool out of like rippy bits of yeah a fucking clip from that night.
Speaker 1:So now, when I'm blessed with halfway decent lighting, I'm like don't you guys worry?
Speaker 3:like oh, never fear, and relax tonight. Yeah this is gonna be the easiest gig of my life you say that, as you're sprinting around, still sweating profusely, like, yes, like this is the easiest gig I'm so happy.
Speaker 1:This is the best thing ever running from place to place, but like there's so many more good photos because everything's lit up and yeah, and I feel like the people that go immediately into like an arena or a stadium, like that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Good for you, that's incredible, but you're gonna have to work in reverse, because I feel like if you and I even this was me, because I say like I'm self-taught you can youtube a lot. If you google youtube tiktok, how to become a concert photographer oh god, I've never even done that they're gonna tell there's gonna be seven million people that are like get on with publication and so that you can get a pass and like like I'm not saying that any of those people are wrong. I've said before, if you just want to go into arena shows and take photos, to take them, try to get on with a publication that will get you passed into these shows and you'll take photos of these very famous musicians like doing their stadium tours.
Speaker 3:You'll have a stadium tours for sure they'll.
Speaker 1:They will be fantastic photos and perfectly lit, whatever. But I will say a lot of times you're not getting hired by bands from those situations because there's five billion photographers at in publications going into all these stadiums and taking those same exact photos, and right doing that and you have to do a lot of networking on your own.
Speaker 1:Yes, I feel like, and it will like. Your portfolio is going to look insane. But I feel like too, that's also scary, because what if you get on a tour and you're in clubs and you don't have stadium lighting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now you have no idea what to do. You're almost doing people a disservice by going on the internet and being like get on a publication to get your like pass so that you can take a picture of Taylor Swift yeah for sure Do that. If your goal is just to take pictures of popular people in a stadium, do that. Yeah. You're doing it for a hobby, do that for sure. But if you're trying to get in the industry and like make money doing it, and like tour and whatever like, then I feel like you need to start lower.
Speaker 1:Find your local bands. That's what you're playing in the small venues around you, and whether that's. I don't live in a city. When I first started, I worked in a bar that was a live music venue and I met bands because I worked the door and with security, so I met bands that way and then I would. When I started doing it, I was like I'm learning how to do this. Can I take photos at your gig, like when they would play there, and that's how it started and it worked out from there and I'd follow them on social media. I would reach out to bands and be like you're playing at this venue, can I come take photos? I'm learning, I'm building up portfolio and knowledge. I'll give you whatever turns out and you can do whatever with it, and I was actually networking with the bands.
Speaker 1:I wasn't working with somebody that owned like a magazine, who was getting a pass for me without ever talking to the musicians.
Speaker 1:I was networking with bands, so then these bands were hiring me to do work for them. They were taking me to their out of town gigs. I think that's what's the important part about starting from like the ground up. You need to be networking with people in the scene. Okay, you want to do a step bigger than your friends from high school in their band playing at whatever tour managers, merch people, stuff like that that are doing. They're not getting you hired on, but network with those people, yeah because they hear of gigs that they need.
Speaker 1:Yes, they know, then they're following your social media. Oh yeah, I have a. I know somebody who does this get photos of those people.
Speaker 3:Those people I, every single tour I do. It does not matter who I'm with, I'll do it for the other bands on the package. I, if I see a photo that I think is cool of like somebody working, I will always snap that photo. Yeah, I'll always give the crew members, especially in my own camp, their own photos, like of them throughout the tour, because everybody deserves good photos. Yeah, and those people that you like take photos of on tour, they remember you because they have that photo.
Speaker 3:They're like somebody cared enough to take this of me. And then they, like you said, they follow you. They, you know and like those talk to everyone. They're so like they're, they're the background people.
Speaker 1:It's like they don't get that often yes, and keep up with them.
Speaker 1:Like, don't just expect everyone to follow your, like social media and like your pictures try to become friends and keep up with them and you just never know how, just being friendly and like getting to know people in the music circle yeah, where that can take you like I even I got hired on a tour because they put out a post looking for someone and I would send in an email and set my portfolio and everything. I was the only person that they interviewed because I already was mutuals with their merch person and driver and when they like mentioned my like, handle whatever he was like. Oh yeah, I follow her.
Speaker 3:Well, honestly, like I've been in camps where, like you have to hire somebody on the road, or like you have to bring somebody else in, or whatever, it goes a long way if somebody at the camp's like, oh, I know that person, yes, I've heard of her, I've seen their stuff, I, whatever.
Speaker 1:It's not just photographers that get kind of shifted around tour managers, merch, drum techs guitar techs they get stagehands. Yeah, they get shifted around too. So like say, you do a tour with somebody and they you know one their other crew members. They get on with a crew with another band and that something's opening.
Speaker 1:They're like oh, the last band I was in a photographer. Did you know this run with us. She was awesome, super fun, professional, like everything was great. And now they're hitting you up. You just never know where these doors are going to open from.
Speaker 3:No, and you don't know what room your name is being talked about in. Yeah, there are so many jobs that I've gotten that I my current job. I had no connection to them. They actually emailed me and I thought it was fake, I thought it was, I thought it was bullshit. I was like they sent me an instagram message too, and then I was like, oh okay, yeah, I don't know why that made it real, but, like the emails.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like this is the two different attempts.
Speaker 3:Sometimes you're like okay, like a robot's not gonna do that but like you never know, and I feel like you have to just keep trying to network, keep trying to talk to people, keep trying. It's also a small industry. If you're an asshole, everybody knows you're an asshole. If you think that nobody knows, everybody knows and don't go into every like.
Speaker 1:I feel like now we're like do this, don't do that, but like I'm just gonna start linking this podcast episode. People ask me for advice. Talk to everyone, but don't go into that conversation expecting something to come out of it. Yeah, legitimate, just try to make friends. Yeah, go in with the intention to make friends, not to like get something out of it. But you just don't understand how far genuinely making friends in the different circles will actually end up taking you, because every little small thing is gonna it's one step further, it's one step forward and, again, you never know where it's going to come from. But I feel like it's easy to sense when people are just talking to you they're giving you lip service.
Speaker 3:They want to like, they're trying to like schmooze.
Speaker 1:It can be such a lonely industry sometimes to make friends everywhere you can. I I'll see different festivals that were in that season. Now I'm to the point now where it's. I'm not as excited to see the bands. I'll see bands and I'll be like, oh, that photographer is going to be there. Like I gotta, I gotta, hit them up. I was messaging another photographer we were talking about. He saw me at a festival or show or something and he was like they're like basically family reunions, these like festivals because we're all trying to like.
Speaker 1:I love those friendships are important. You just you never know when you're gonna need someone in your corner. I preach it and I'll keep preaching it, that the relationships that you make are a tad more important than even the quality you're doing like. If you even have just average quality which I still to my own horn I think I'm a little above average in my like performance. You are, but I think you could be average and but have but form fantastic relationships and you would still be more successful than someone that's above and beyond but has a terrible reputation yeah, it is arguably, arguably, arguably more um words are hard guys, arguably harder to get somebody to understand that like your personality vibes with them before.
Speaker 3:like you can show somebody a pretty photo, a pretty video all all day long, it doesn't matter when you're on tour, you're living with these people, and it's 12 plus people in a tin can rolling down the road. Like you have to be somebody that they're looking for, someone that they're okay with having in their green room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have to be okay.
Speaker 3:You're living with these people. I feel like the way that I made connections with people was one just having real conversations. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:I totally agree. The personal relationships are what's going to. Yeah, it'll get you. It'll get you jobs and it'll lose you jobs, whether it's like a good or a bad.
Speaker 3:Who do you think would be like your bucket list to tour with?
Speaker 1:Bucket list to tour with.
Speaker 3:What about you, Josh? If you could meet any band, who would it be?
Speaker 2:Oh, Deftones and Brand New Very well.
Speaker 1:That was quick.
Speaker 2:What about?
Speaker 1:you, you go.
Speaker 3:I asked you that because I don't really have answer.
Speaker 1:I should turn it around on you I more or less just want to make cool shit with cool people yeah, I'm with you and I'm like I'm even thinking, like I feel like what's coming to mind is like musicians that are doing like big venue tours, who I know, their media person, and I'm like I'd love to work with that person. Is it song of the week time?
Speaker 2:yes, it is song of the week. Are you ready for this, sarah? Uh, my song of the week is by deftones and it's called minerva.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I like that one and um, I don't know, man, that's. That song just is a big wall of sound the way they recorded it and the way that they do things in that song. There's actually a keyboard synthesizer in it that I never noticed until I was watching a YouTube video where they had the stems from the song and they were able to play that solo, and it's just. The song is great, minerva Deftones, go listen to it.
Speaker 1:Nice. My song of the week is have I already done this one? No, I haven't, okay.
Speaker 1:So mine is by american aquarium and it's called um the luckier you get, and like the main part of the way that sounds yeah, the main part of the chorus is the harder you work, the luckier you get, and I feel like that's where I'm like in my right now. That's how I'm feeling. I feel like the misconception about especially like touring and being successful in it is that it's about luck and you got to just be in the right place at the right time, and I just that that notion kind of pisses me off because, um, yes, sometimes they're like there is a concept of like being in the right place at the right time, but I'm sorry, most of us are working so hard that we're in that same place every single day, every single night to finally catch that right place, right time yeah so stop calling me lucky.
Speaker 1:I earned this and that song, kind of like, speaks that to me the harder you work, the luckier you get my song of the week.
Speaker 3:There's two that I've been listening to kind of non-stop. One is a friend of mine song and the other one is uh sticky, by tyler the creator, I don't know why, it's so good and I like scream it at the top of my lungs in my car.
Speaker 3:I love it. The other one that I love, absolutely love my friend Lex um, it's L-E-X-X is Pride. It's so good. She to me sounds like a really good mix of, like Amy Lee and the spirit box singer, which I don't know if you know, courtney Plant um, but she's so fucking good at what she does. She actually comes out on tour with us with citizen um and she does like because her and her fiance now um, mix and master songs and like record and stuff, but for extra money. They just like come out and do merch because you can make a lot of money merch doing merch with like tips and stuff. They actually have a song with the band that I'm about to go out with, so they're going to sing that on the next run, which will be fun. But yeah, pride from Lex and Sticky from Tyler the Creator, love that.
Speaker 1:That's all folks for this week. Thanks, sarah, for joining us. Thank you for having me. Thanks, sarah. Bye guys.
Speaker 2:My arm's shaking.