Past Lives and The Fall of Atlantis with Gemma Norris

In this episode of Closer to Venus, host Johnny Burke interviews Gemma Norris, a health therapist, founder of the Infinity Hub, and host of The Voice Podcast. The discussion delves into Gemma's past life memories of Atlantis, how she recalls these memories through meditation, and her witnessing of the fall of Atlantis. Gemma also discusses the advanced spiritual and technological nature of the Atlantean civilization, the misuse of power and the feminine, and how this relates to our current collective awakening and soul amnesia. Alongside, they delve into concepts like the Councils of Light, the importance of heart consciousness, and the rising of the divine feminine. The conversation also touches on how individuals can navigate today's chaotic world through spirituality and inner transformation.

00:00 Introduction to Gemma Norris

00:37 Exploring Past Life Memories

02:14 Recalling Atlantis

02:34 The Fall of Atlantis

06:02 Advanced Civilization of Atlantis

08:05 Misuse of Power and Feminine Energy

09:42 The Role of Persephone

11:27 Underground Beings and Energetic Layers

13:20 Lemuria and Soul Separation

14:13 Soul Retrieval and Energetic Oaths

16:43 Skepticism and Energy Perspective

20:09 Councils of Light and Soul Retrieval

24:47 Chaos and Rising Divine Feminine

33:23 Heart Coherence and Higher Vibrations

36:50 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Transcript

Johnny Burke:  Welcome to Closer to Venus. I'm Johnny Burke, and today's guest is Gemma Norris. She is a health therapist, founder of the Infinity Hub and host of The Voice Podcast. Her work is focused on holistic wellbeing, soul health and planetary wellbeing as well. In this episode, we will explore her past life memories of Atlantis and the collective awakening of our soul amnesia. Gemma, welcome back. Been a while,

Gemma Norris: You? Yes. It's been a year, I think, hasn't it? Something like that., 

Johnny Burke: About that. Yeah. So, we're going to talk about your past life memories of Atlantis, but before we do that, do you have past life memories of other similar places or past life, memories in general?

Gemma Norris: I've had a few coming up before. sort of like the witch, sort of wounds that's come up for sure. But not necessarily other places. This is certainly something that has been within me, but has been showing up much more lately in terms of memories from Atlantis.

Johnny Burke: And we'll talk about why that's happening now because we're hearing this from several different speakers. How exactly do you recall past lives? Do you do a regression or is it meditation? How does that work?

Gemma Norris: It's certainly meditation. It's happened before when I've had a treatment and that has come up and seeing myself drowning, for instance, and just moving it through the body. The body holds the memory of this. But it's equally also a deep sense of feeling that comes through. And the recent things that have been showing me is through meditation.

Johnny Burke: To recall past lives, meditation for some or maybe even many, can be just as effective as having a practitioner like a hypnotherapist during a regression? Okay. Good. All right.  Speaking of meditation, you actually witnessed the fall of Atlantis?

Gemma Norris: Yes,

Johnny Burke: Mind blowing. what, what was that like?

Gemma Norris: it was a quite an  interesting sort of sense. So this was on the lead up to Easter actually. And I have been seeing it like a sense of something falling into the ocean. And this time round was this huge sense of grief as I was witnessing it falling into the ocean and witnessing and feeling this real loss of being able to just see it just disappearing and the huge amount of grief that came through the loss of that city, the love that would've been in it. And I can remember this huge sense of anger towards God to like, how have you let this happen? And then it was really misdirected because ultimately, I knew it had to happen.It had to happen.

Johnny Burke: It had to happen. Okay.

Gemma Norris: It had to happen. And when I was able to move into acceptance of that, I was able to allow it to go. But what it did show me was this bringing the love that was entwined around that infrastructure that was Atlantis back to me, which enabled me to move through the grief process 

Johnny Burke: You actually felt, some pretty strong emotions while witnessing this. Do you remember what your position was or what the buildings look like or anything that really stood out about that civilization?

Gemma Norris: I am getting a sense my position as yet that hasn't been shown to me. But from what I'm seeing, what I'm doing in this lifetime is, it's very powerful in terms of the healing work that I'm doing. And so it is really interesting 'cause the ego part of me, or what I say that all to self doesn't want me to say I was this really high position, but I do have a sense that I was quite high in the, aspects of Atlantis because of the healing that I do and what has been shown to me, what I'm doing to be doing now.

In terms of what I see I have recently connected into, it was a huge temple of Crystal. This has come through to me very recently in meditation and crystal like shards of crystal, because it's all about frequency and the crystal holding the memory and everything that was in it. And you couldn't access this temple unless you were this high frequency 

Johnny Burke: Those that were below a certain frequency threshold, they couldn't even see it?

Gemma Norris: It feels like that way. And you can't lie with frequency. If you sometimes have a fear of like if I'm coming to something that's really pure, am I carrying anything that's of shadow behind me that might infiltrate this purity. Yet what was shown to me is that actually frequency doesn't lie. You can't have fear and the same frequency of love. So actually, to be able to read frequency was the discerning of waiver you had access into this.

Johnny Burke: So a VIP card's not gone do it in that case, obviously.

Gemma Norris: No, and you had to be pure of heart. You had to be really pure to move into that space.

Johnny Burke: Now, did you get a sense that during this time that their civilization, technology philosophy, spiritually? were they a lot more advanced than we are now?        

Gemma Norris: Yes. I think they had more consciousness. They were fully aware of their power in terms of what the mind can do, and they had this full DNA activation, and this is what I'm seeing with the work that's coming through now is actually asked to remember and to reactivate. But there's been an amnesia, there's been a cutoff for a reason because from what I'm seeing is that when things fell there had to be a protection because there was a misuse, a complete misuse of the power.

Johnny Burke: I read bits and pieces of an interview with Dolores Cannon and speaking of Atlantis, she was saying what the Atlanteans could do with their mind, they could create anything. Talk about manifestation in overdrive. Do you get the same sense?

Gemma Norris: Actually, when you're saying that and getting that tingle down the spine, which is always my confirmation, so yes, they could. As I'm talking, they had this huge area that they could expand into and to play with and to be creative, however, and I see that as the Metatrons cube. The seed of life that holds all of the universe in its key structure. And what happened was there was too much of a manipulation of that.

Johnny Burke: You believe that the fall of Atlantis was due to a misuse , which you mentioned before, and specifically of the feminine. How long ago do you suppose this was?

Gemma Norris: See, I am getting 12,000 years. I have been getting this 1212 portal back in 2023, and I'm seeing 12, 12 21 12 . It's showing me that Atlantis went on for hundreds of thousands of years, how I understand it, but the fall was at 12,000 

Johnny Burke: Which is right around the time of the last ice age. Is it not?

Gemma Norris: Oh. Getting the tingles. Yeah. yes. So it is, and also there's been different geography where they have seen black lines really deep into the earth, which has shown there's something huge has happened. And that dates back to about 12,000 years. What I'm seeing is that time is collapsing to that.

Johnny Burke: Now with the misuse of the feminine, or just the misuse in general, is that one of the main reasons that we have the soul amnesia when we go into the In-between space, and we come back down in a new incarnation. Or is that not necessarily related?

Gemma Norris: I think it's all related in terms of what I get the sense with the misuse of the feminine takes me to this link of where I see Persephone. So in terms of Greek mythology, she was taken underground by Pluto, and the story is that she was raped and put under earth. However, from what I have sensed and connected to is she was taken under earth to be protected in her purity, her purest essence of which is the maiden energy which for me is the seed of life that could not be manipulated. It had to be protected and taken underground

Johnny Burke: Did you say underground, like into the center of the Earth ?

Gemma Norris: Yes, 

Johnny Burke: So that is not fantasy. And also, you mentioned Persephone and mythology. But What you just told me implies that she was not just a mythological person or entity. She actually did exist?

Gemma Norris: Yes, I feel when we talk about people or they give them names and identity as a human, it's so we can try and understand and relate. This is probably more like the goddess, the essence that is earth and it's the maiden aspect of earth that is enabled to give life. And it was that purity, that innocence that is life that was taken back underground to be kept pure, to be kept innocent, and it was the manipulation of the attempt at that, which brought the whole downfall of Atlantis.

Johnny Burke: Do you believe somewhere near the core of the Earth that there are still beings or was that abandoned thousands of years ago?

Gemma Norris: I think they're still there. What we would think of us going physically, underground. It's more the energetics, the layers and frequency and portals to Earth because this came up recently with a Never Meditation where I was taken right underground. There were Lemurians there in these beautiful white cloaks, and those hats which were cream with gold swells in them. It literally, to me, just looked like what the Pope would wear. Which is really interesting how I think religion might have been taken this knowledge to make us think it's through religion, but these were gatekeepers of this part of earth that could only ever be accessed through high frequency.

Johnny Burke: Okay, good point about the frequency. When you mention portals, I'm thinking of episodes of like Stargate one or something like that where you had to be at a certain frequency just to be able to access it. So someone who did not have that access to whatever that value was they could dig down to the core of the earth and see nothing but just and rock. Correct?

Gemma Norris: Because they're going down on the physical 3D level, whereas this is more of an energetic level.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned Lemurians. Now isn't Lumuria supposed to be even older than Atlantis?

Gemma Norris: Yes, yes. They think they existed with Atlantis, and I try not to read too much about these things. I always try and go what I am shown. However, yes, Lemuria happened much longer before, but they didn't necessarily come as separate. So they came as one soul whereas Atlantis, they separated souls to come in as male and female.

Johnny Burke: Good point about not reading, and I've heard that, quite a bit with other intuitives like yourself, because they don't want to confuse one with the other. So I'm more the mere mortal representative who will try to confirm things that I've read and heard in other interviews as well.

So during the fall, according to some of your visions and your past life memories, there was an encoding, like an oath of some sort that no soul could ever be taken by another. What does that mean?

Gemma Norris: Okay, so this all comes back to this essence that I recorded back in, 2023. The 1212 and 2112 were this return to innocence. This was showing me when the fall happened, and I can remember at that point feeling exceptionally angry with everything that had happened and the misuse and the betrayal.

So what happened is that anybody that would try and take another person's soul or energy, could not do it. And as soon as that happened, that innocence would, within an oath, be held in Earth. would, I know we may feel like someone's taken our soul or our spirit and everything, but they actually haven't physically done that. It stays within the earth. It was like an oath, an energy energetic vibration that literally takes that soul in its purity and again, takes it back into earth with Persephone. These parts of us, and I felt myself doing some form of ritual to enable that to be there.

Johnny Burke: You remember yourself as being a healer and you're a healer now. And I've also noticed that people that are healers in the present day often have past life memories of having the same type of skills in previous lives.

Gemma Norris: From my experience I'm seeing this because this is now about calling back our soul lives, our soul retrieval, and all the skills that came with that. As well as through our ancestral lineage as well, because we've inherited the trauma is also about inheriting the gifts and the wisdom through it too.

Johnny Burke: for people that don't really believe that, know, past lives are what would you tell them?

Gemma Norris: Ooh. I would say let's get back to energy. If you can come to an understanding that we are energetic beings, we are atoms, we're protons, we're electrons, we're neurons. And what we touch and what we can feel is a denser form of that energy. And everything that you see outside of us is that denser form and it's also down to our perception and what we're seeing as well and receiving. And if you take us on an energetic perspective, you can't destroy energy. It just transforms. So energy is infinite. So you can potentially get your mindset around the fact that actually right now I'm in a finite moment of affinity. So it kind of gives you that perspective that you may well have lived now, if you recognize your energy. 

Johnny Burke: What about the person that has no knowledge of energy or anything like that? They only believe what they can see and hear.

Gemma Norris: I would say that it’s been the indoctrination that we have had to only listen and to be told what to think and to start to tune more into your body because your body will hold a higher frequency and wisdom within it. So the heart, for instance, is 5,000 times the frequency of the mind. I think I mentioned that before in our previous episode.

So there's a huge innate wisdom in us, but we are conditioned at a very early age to not listen to that. Just to be told what to think. Our schooling systems, everything is like what we get handed down is that's your truth. Whereas we would've pushed against that, but then that gets shut down quite quickly. So it's about relearning this intelligence that's within us.

Johnny Burke: What is or are the councils of light, which I believe Yeshua and Melchizedek are guarding?

Gemma Norris: So Yeshua and Melchizedek are these councils of light that have been part of the whole project that has brought humanity to earth. They have been involved with the Lemurians and with the Atlantis to enable souls to have an earthly experience and what they have done and what they have shown me is that they are ensuring that the soul retrieval to come back to people that are doing the work, the heart consciousness, to become more conscious of why they think and why they do to allow this pureness, this Persephone, the light that was held back into their hearts to bring back all these aspects of the soul back to one another.

And Yeshua, how he shows to me is the pure masculine. He is this divine, pure masculine that we don't often experience in this world. And he has this most beautiful way and adoration and reverence for the feminine. I've seen him come through, he has this bliss, he has this real absolute beauty for the feminine body and like with his counterpart, Mary Magdalene, his twin flame, he is here to enable us to bring the sacred union of the masculine and the feminine.He is the essence that will enable the feminine to be seen as she rises, as she's coming up from earth. So he's the entwining, the yin, and the yang to give this wholeness that is both masculine and feminine.

Johnny Burke: And Yeshua, if I'm not mistaken, is that the same soul as Christ?

Gemma Norris: Yes. Jesus. Yes.

Johnny Burke: What we know as Christ that soul, that entity has been around for quite a long time.

Gemma Norris: Yeah, and different religions have their different versions of this. However, I do see it as, Yeshua or Jesus coming through with this pure light and it has a very light blue light like you would imagine ice has that, crystal pure light which is what I'm seeing is that this universal energy that's coming through is like ice for our Earth. And then you've got the fire that is Earth, the feminine that's coming up, and they're going to be meeting in balance. When you bring those two elements together, you bring in water, you bring in the purity of  water, which will be the healing for our earth, for our bodies, for our blood.

Johnny Burke: So when do you anticipate, if at all, where this coming together is actually going to take place? 

Gemma Norris: It is happening now, but what we are seeing in this world is chaos.

Johnny Burke: You don't live in the States, but I do. I am definitely seeing chaos.

Gemma Norris: You are, yes.

Johnny Burke: No other way to describe it.

Gemma Norris: You have to hold a lot of mental discernment to not fall into that chaos and fear and the separation, it's like a mental form, a little bit like you see in the Matrix where they're just taking that energy from us. This is what we have to be really discerning of our minds of what we give attention to what we give our emotions to. Because through our observation and our emotions fuel it. We keep it going. So we have to be able to really call back our mental energy and our emotional energy to where we direct it, which is actually the key part that is breaking us free from this victim energy.

The victim, the helpless, the hopeless. We are very powerful, very powerful beings. We just don't know it. This is about remembering it and breaking out of these systems that have us stuck in this victim perpetrator as keeps us as helpless beings. And we need to break free from that because through that perception, we keep it there. So we are witnessing chaos, but it's very dynamic and healing.

Johnny Burke: But good things are coming after the chaos subsides; how exactly is that supposed to work?

Gemma Norris: I see humanity has kind of put a plaque around earth. It's not real, it's not our truth. Our infrastructures have been based upon that, which is fear Mother Earth is rising up- the rising of the feminine. I feel very spontaneous, very rock strong energy rising up through the and it's going to create things will start to fall. These tectonic seismic shifts, we've even seen the earth itself. Huge amounts of volcanoes erupting. There's this huge energy that we might not feel it right now, but we're witnessing it because it's kind of like the wounds, the essence of the wounds that we have in our body. You see the scab on our skin, but we don't see what's going on underneath the surface that's taken that scab off and the healing that's coming up

Johnny Burke: Healing it from, 

Gemma Norris: within.

Johnny Burke: beneath the skin. The divine feminine and the rising of the divine feminine is critical to this entire situation; this predicament that we find ourselves in. If I were to just walk down the street and just pick 10 people randomly and ask,' what do you know about the divine feminine?' Maybe one out of 10 might have an inkling of what I'm talking about. Why do you suppose it's not as well-known as it probably should be?

Gemma Norris: Oh, well, I would say a lot of that is to do with culture, society, religion. if you just look at how they portrayed Mary Magdalene, who, who was the Twin Flame of Christ, or Yeshua/ Jesus. And she's claimed as a whore. There has been a complete suppression of the feminine power. And it feels it started from Atlantis, and it's been running through our society since then.

You do see cultures like Egyptians, they would've had queens and there would've been that huge respect. But there's so many other cultures that have slowly just pushed the female power down. And this is what we are seeing in timeframes or paradigms, what we're seeing now in terms of how the suppression of the feminine is attempting through different policies of pro-life and what we see across the whole world. We're also seeing it on the Earth and how we think we can just take from earth what we want. It is this misuse. So I would say is culturally the reason why we don't see the power.

Johnny Burke: Has the church had any part in suppressing the divine feminine in your view?

Gemma Norris: Absolutely. I think I mentioned it in the previous one is actually when we would've worshiped the earth, we would've looked at her cycles, the seasons. We would've had certain ritual sites and stone circles, and churches were then just slapped on top of that and say, no, you don't worship Earth; you connect through us to access this consciousness. So in a way, we have given away our power to think there's something greater than us.

Johnny Burke: Because they're asking us to worship something outside of us when it's actually within us.

Gemma Norris: Exactly. Which is actually something I was just writing about the other day about how consciousness is already in our DNA, how the God particle is already within us. So I was exploring that. 

Johnny Burke: What are the things you've been shown, related to coming out of the soul amnesia and things that are relevant to what is going on today in our civilization.

Gemma Norris: What I have seen  is the fall of Atlantis. And then 12,000 years later, we are seeing this fall of the Old Earth, the old infrastructures. It feels like time is collapsing into itself, bit like a black hole . What I'm sensing is that the universe cannot hold this anymore. It cannot hold all these different paradigms of fear and it's closing it down. They're coming back. And by doing that, we individually have to take responsibility when we behaved in ways that wasn't of love. We need to take that responsibility, but then also be able to alchemize it to be able to move it through with forgiveness. Forgiveness or self forgiveness of others. This is what Yeshua has shown me and how we can do that. To close down these old paradigms and come back to just the one or the higher-level vibrations.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of higher-level vibrations, I don't think it's a coincidence that even if you go onto social media, there's tons of videos. There's YouTube videos about meditation and higher consciousness and different mantras, et cetera. You agree?

Gemma Norris: Completely and sound- sound is going to be really key to this because sound is frequency. It's about our bodies and cells. Sound or activate the cells in our body, help it purge If anyone's been to a sound bath it helps the body come back to its natural coherence, which is health.

We are purging and detoxing on so many levels at the moment, physically, emotionally, mentally. And then when you take our individual response and then times it by the thousands and billions of us, we're seeing it in humanity too.

Johnny Burke: What you said earlier about how the energy from the heart is thousands of times stronger and more powerful than that of the mind. Is heart coherence the key for us upping our game as it were?

Gemma Norris: Yes, is the straight answer. This is what was coming through to me when I was writing about the  DNA. This is for us to come to the frequency of love, which is 520 hertz. And it showed me that, okay, we can do that on ourselves, but we need a more intense frequency, which is an acyliation of other people connecting into that energy and then creating a web of that.

So we create this massive ripple effect, which becomes like a really high-pitched noise that we might not necessarily know, but we can feel it. I was shown not so long ago - I could see people trapped in a glass box type thing, like a sphere. And they're banging and banging to try and get out, and you could see that they were screaming, but you couldn't hear them.

And it’s the only thing that could actually get them out was like this really high pitch frequency, like a dog whistle that you just don't hear, and it broke them free, this kind of clicked into place. These things are like little jigsaw puzzle pieces. You get fed, you don't get shown everything. They just start coming in together one by one. And it was shown that that is the frequency of heart consciousness, of unity consciousness. Together, collective communities will be that frequency that will break us free.

Johnny Burke: Isn't that what John Lennon was trying to do years ago? Love is the answer.

Gemma Norris: Yes, it is.

Johnny Burke: Because he was trying to build a community around that- this is obviously a long time ago. 

Gemma Norris: Many songs have these messages. That's the other thing. I do get messages come through as songs and John Lennon's ones and often tears will come from that as you can hear it. So many messages will come through as as people's songs. And the last one I recently I've had is Michael Jackson's "they don't really care about us." coming round and round. I'm like, okay, this isn't about governance, caring. This is what we really need to get to.

Johnny Burke: Right.  I've been told countless times that many artists, musicians, pick up on these frequencies, without even knowing it, without even being conscious of it. And they come up with a song. For some people those songs kind of just stick in your head, like forever. Like Instant Karma by Lennon, one of the lyrics is, 'and we all shine on like the moon, the stars and the sun, on and on. "

Gemma Norris: Infinity.

Johnny Burke: That's academic, right? I've also been told that there are mediums that are in touch with him, and apparently some of these well-known musicians that have moved on, do help musicians that are down here- it's pretty crazy when you think about it. Anything else that we should know about, at least for today?

Gemma Norris: I feel for people to get through what we are going through spirituality and different things that we can talk about can sound like it's completely not in touch with reality. However, it's there to show us how to navigate now. And how through being able to connect into your body, to be able to do your breath work, to be able to do your meditation, to be able to call out this unconditional love and light that's in us. And to start seeing that these old patterns and belief systems that have us in a state of fear and a state of separation- we're in the victim energy.

We are here to start breaking those patterns, and we start doing it individually within ourselves. We become the inspiration that ripple effect for everybody else around us. So when we are looking at the big, wide world going, what the hell is going on? And feeling exceptionally helpless and hopeless and then stuck in fear, we know that we can start making changes of this outer world through changing in our inner world first.

Johnny Burke: Gemma, thanks for joining us today. I'll be thinking about the ripple effect in the meantime. Speaking of the meantime, how can our listeners find you online? .

Gemma Norris: TheInfinityhealthhub.com and likewise on Instagram and there as well. TikTok, the Infiniti Health Hub.