Light Beings and Spiritual Archetypes with Janine Dennis

In this episode of Closer to Venus, host Johnny Burke talks with Janine Nicole Dennis, the owner of Talent Think Innovations, who is also an alchemist, medicine woman, tarot reader, and numerologist. Janine shares her journey into spirituality, discussing her experiences with numerology, tarot, and her intuitive encounters with light beings called 'The Nine.' She delves into African spirituality, the significance of the Orishas, and her connection with Mary Magdalene consciousness. The conversation explores the convergence of different spiritual guides and the potential for a collective shift towards higher consciousness.

00:00 Introduction to Janine Nicole Dennis

00:44 Discovering Numerology and Tarot

03:47 Understanding Tarot and Numerology

08:09 Experiences with Light Beings

17:21 Exploring African Spirituality and Orishas

23:27 Mary Magdalene Consciousness

35:29 The Future of Spirituality and Consciousness

41:18 Conclusion and Contact Information

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Transcript

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I'm Johnny Burke, and today's guest is Janine. Nicole Dennis. She is the owner of Talent Think Innovations. An alchemist, medicine woman, tarot reader, and numerologist. She helps people self-actualize and transcend the mundane in all aspects of their lives. In this episode, we'll discuss her experiences with light beings called The Nine, African Spirituality and Mary Magdalene Consciousness. Janine, welcome to the program.

 Janine Dennis: Thank you for having me, Johnny. 

Johnny Burke: I am dying to know who The Nine are. When I first read that, I thought, that's got to be a new band from Brooklyn or something. But,

 Janine Dennis: It would be a cool name, right?

Johnny Burke: It would be. Yeah. Great. You have many talents; tarot, and numerology just kind of jump out at me right away. So what came first and what was the main catalyst that set you on the path you're on now?

 Janine Dennis: Yeah. I would say numerology came first. It was kind of a weird way that it happened too. I was out for my birthday, this was like around 2014 and there was a conversation happening between myself and my former partner and, we were like disagreeing and I remember turning around and looking at like our hotel room number and it kind of like jumped out at me like in a way that I've never seen it before. And I felt intuitively that I needed to look that number up. And so I did, and that's when I saw angel number. Like it just kind of popped up and I read it. And the message at the time, I believe, was like 2507, I think was our room. And shockingly the message that was there was exactly what I needed to hear in that moment. It had everything to do with what I was thinking and feeling. And it just kind of continued from there. Just this kind of eerie, numbers keep popping up in a certain sequence, and I just felt this guide to honor it. 

 When all of this stuff was coming to me, I was working for one of the national laboratories in HR and I went out on my own in my business talent Think Innovations, and I felt like these gifts just started showing up. So it was like numerology and then eventually I started noticing tarot. It's nothing I'd ever dabbled in. And I think eventually I felt called to, like my first deck, and now I'm many, many decks in from that time. So yeah, they're my gifts. They've never steered me wrong. I think they are incredibly powerful. Not oftentimes the demonic type of thing that people put on them. For me, it's been a blessing, honestly.

Johnny Burke: The tarot seems to be one of the more misunderstood disciplines. Someone I interviewed a while back told me that the tarot is a book of ancient wisdom hidden in plain sight. But I think a lot of people do look at the tarot as kind of like a parlor game. How did you get past that, if that was an obstacle for you, like it is for a lot of people. And what are the main things that you got out of working with the tarot?

 Janine Dennis: I never gave it a whole lot of thought. I think from the religious framework that I grew up in there was just like a definitive thing of that's something we don't do; it's devil's work. I never knew why but for me with tarot, I think as the reader, there's a certain level of intuition you have to have about what's coming through. So there's definitely some channeling. I think the best of us do it understand that. And then there's the archetypes that are within tarot, and there's so many different ways to look at that. You have the emperor, for instance, that represents literally an emperor and this sort of royal type of mentality, but also it represents Aries, it represents fire. 

And within tarot, all of these different things kind of represent different things. The fire element, even the colors on a card, because there's so many decks now can represent something. So if you see a lot of red in your deck that may mean that there's a lot of tension, a lot of fire, a lot of things being alchemized. Blue is a more common color, and then there's numbers in suits that go with it. And I think one of the things you asked me is how does Tarot and numerology kind of meet in the middle?

And what I've found is when I do a spread, and it just happened, I pulled a spread right before I got on with you. There's numbers on it, and so I figured out intuitively that I add up the numbers on the card, it'll give me an angel number, and if I look up that angel number, the will correspond numerologically what the Tarot readings trying to tell me.

Johnny Burke: So that would explain why whenever I come across someone who is a reader of the tarot, numerology often comes up in the conversation, but you're saying if you add up the numbers of the cards, it always adds up to an angel number, like 3, 3, 3, or?

 Janine Dennis: So today the number was 47. Right now I'm even seeing 1111 on the phone. And it's not 1111. 

Johnny Burke: What does 1111 mean? 

 Janine Dennis: 11 11 usually means that the angels are with you. It could also mean that you're in alignment with your path. One is a number of new beginnings of starting a beginning. Its birth. That's kind of a cosmic wink. You're doing in this moment what you're meant to be doing. 

Johnny Burke: So you mentioned before with the tarot that it does take a certain amount of intuition, which, I would have to agree with; I think a non-intuitive if there is such a thing, probably would not even believe that it works. But the numerology piece with the tarot explains why the two often come up in the same conversation.

So, The Nine; can't wait to hear about this. And light beings, we do hear a lot about them. it's something that comes up a lot with discussions with intuitives. And speaking of which, have you had mystical, intuitive experiences yourself, when you were younger or maybe later in life?

 Janine Dennis: I think I've always had them. I know that the connection that you have to those beings are quite circumstantial. meaning that you have to be in a frequency and oftentimes an environment that can allow them to present themselves to you. I do always come back to one time when I was a child, we had just moved into my childhood house and I distinctly remember like every night sleeping in my room, like feeling these beings holding me down. and I would always like try to break free and it sometimes it was hard, and then other times I'd actually get free, and I’d run to my parents' room. I didn't know what to make of that back then. I never told anyone about it because who would believe you? So I think intuitively as a child, I knew it wasn't a safe story to tell. But now. There was something energetically wrong in that room, obviously, that I was picking up on because I'm quite sensitive and I can feel things at that level. It worked itself out eventually, but I definitely was picking up on some sort of spiritual otherness there that I couldn't explain at my young age. I was maybe all of five, six years old.

Johnny Burke: Okay, that sounds kind of scary.

 Janine Dennis: Yeah, the generation that raised my generation, the millennial generation, I mean, unless you grew up in a super spiritual lineage, I don't think that a lot of those parents would've had the tools to really deal with that sort of realization. Other people born in and around my time, they too said they felt they couldn't have shared that with their parent, that it was just something they were supposed to carry. But they knew it definitely was an otherworldly something.

Johnny Burke:  Pretty common occurrence when people reveal things like that 10, 15 years later or even longer than that. So The Nine, did you get an idea like what they looked like? How exactly did you experience them?

 Janine Dennis: I never experienced what would've been their outer shell, and so the first time that I had contact with them was when I was in Spain. I was on this spiritual trip because I sought out a shaman in Sevilla Spain, and we went on this quiet hike, like you couldn't speak. So it was a silent hike. It was in these hills of a place called Burmujos. And so she just kind of walked with me through there and I remember just walking along looking at olive trees and such. And then I heard this group come to me and they just basically said, " we have called you here. We’re so thankful you followed your urges. We're known as the nine and we're protecting you. And we couldn’t reach you where you were and the frequency that you were back in the States, but we've brought you here to kind of download some things, let you know some things, not only about yourself, but in general. We love you, we'll speak again" 

Johnny Burke: The idea that these entities presented themselves to you, did you get an inclination that this was some kind of galactic communication? Did you actually hear them?

 Janine Dennis: I actually heard them

Johnny Burke: You did hear them. 

 Janine Dennis: Yeah , like exactly what I said is what they said to me. And as soon as I got back to my flat, I started writing it down. Because I didn't want to forget it. They came across as galactic bodies. I never got as far as finding out, from where, but I did encounter them when I got back to the state and that time I definitely felt I had a sense without seeing fully what they were. They were around my bed, and they were extremely tall, almost like an alien - like head, but with some sort of human features. And I just remember being like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. Like I can feel this energy around my bed. But I didn't feel scared. I felt protected. It was exactly what they said. I don't know what they were protecting me from, but that day I just remember they were holding hands, and they were around my bed. 

Johnny Burke: It sounds like it wasn't too scary. Am I right?

 Janine Dennis: I felt this is strange, but intuitively, I felt safe.

Johnny Burke: The intergalactic communication thing seems to be coming up a lot these days. Has anybody told you anything like, you're a starseed or anything like that? 

 Janine Dennis: I have been told that I'm a star seed. I've had some connections to Lemuria like that have come up. 

Johnny Burke: Did you say Lemuria? 

 Janine Dennis: Yeah. It’s still something I'm trying to piece together, but yeah, I've definitely been told that I'm a star seed for sure.

Johnny Burke: Lemuria, if I'm not mistaken, is supposedly even older than Atlantis. Nobody really knows how many thousands of years, or hundred thousands of years ago it was, and it's kind of hard to pinpoint. But do you have any glimpses of past lives from that era or for that matter, any other era?

 Janine Dennis: Definitely a lot that hearkens back to the Egyptian era. The Isis and Osirus archetypes come up for me quite a bit. And even in doing my tarot, Isis comes up as a guide; just when I think she won't, she shows up.

Johnny Burke: As a guide? 

 Janine Dennis: As a guide. Yeah. and when I say like a spirit guide, it could be an archetype or a spirit that shows up for you, but also there's a certain level of embodiment that can happen too. So with this and also my guides through the Orishas. 

Syncretism is an important thing for me because I started having these guides show up from different times, different eras, different religions even. Sometimes it's a religion or a culture that I don't naturally have in me, but it's presenting to me that archetype.

And then when I do the research and I find out, Isis is syncretized to Aphrodite in her time, is syncretized to Hathor and to Inanna. Or Oshun, which is an Orisha . and So no matter what the time, no matter what the era, this particular energy is protecting or looking out for me some way somehow.

Johnny Burke: The Orishas, which I believe are divine spirits, are they similar to spirit guides and if so, are they somewhat related to the nine or completely separate entities? 

 Janine Dennis: So completely separate from the nine. I think the two I don't believe go together. 

Johnny Burke: The Orishas, that sounds like another band. If it was, these guys could probably be on tour together. I'm a former musician.  I can't help but notice that. So tell us more about the Orishas.

 Janine Dennis:  The Orishas are tied to the Yoruba tribe in Nigeria,Africa. So that's where it starts, and you still have a delegation that really looks to these. But with the whole slave trade and what that was. you have now different legs of the original African spirituality because it reached Cuba. you have Candomblé in Brazil. Then each of the Caribbean islands have their own thing. Even Santeria is a little bit taken off of that. They're all pulling from that. Then you have Haitian Vodou, things of that nature. So in theory there are many, many Orishas. The main ones from Nigeria, are about 12, that I think everyone knows. For me, I am a daughter of Shango and Oshun and Yemaya. Those are the three that tend to work with me and that I work with, they are spirit guides. 

Johnny Burke: So they are? 

 Janine Dennis: They are, they're archetypal, but also they govern things in nature. So like Shango for instance, he governs thunder and lightning. That’s kind of his lore. Oshun is like mother of the rivers. So the belief system is that, Oshun is pleased when the rivers are flowing, things are fertile. She's like the ultimate mother. And then you have Yemiya which is another one of my Orishas. She governs the ocean. I would say I've visited the most it's just this draw that I feel to the ocean when she's calling. And when it happens, I go and either it's a time for me to surrender or release, or there's something that I'm able to glean while I'm in the water or near the water. It always works out somehow. So I'm a believer, after making offerings and after communing with, the water in the way that I'm meant to.

Johnny Burke: So you have experience with different types of spirit guides from different cultures, right? are there parallels between the Orishas and some of the archetypes or guides from the Egyptian culture? you mentioned Isis, are there others that come up? 

 Janine Dennis: So for me it's always Isis and I say Osiris only because my current partner that's kind of his guide. Once I met him and we started talking and he just came out of the woodwork speaking about Osiris without us ever having that discussion, that kind of further cemented it for me. Isis has a syncretism to Oshun typically, Osiris to Shango, and even in Greek times there's some synchronicity there. There's synchronicity to Saints as well. Like Shango is also, I think St. Barbara. 

Johnny Burke: So there's similarities-

 Janine Dennis: Right. The reason for that is when all these cultures, particularly African descended people were brought over to the Caribbean and even the Americas, it wasn't safe for them to practice African spirituality because Christianity was the way. And so in order for them to continue to honor these gods, in their own way and preserve some of it, they had to syncretize it to things in Christianity to be safe, to not be killed.

Johnny Burke: This was in what part of the world?

 Janine Dennis: So this is anyone African descendant that was dropped Brazil through the Caribbean, through Louisiana, Southern part of the US. These were the offshoots of African spirituality, whether you see it in Hoodoo, voodoo in Louisiana or Haitian Voodoo or Santeria, all of these things are coming from that, but they switched up what they had to do and how they worshiped it because it wasn't safe.

Johnny Burke: It's almost like they have to sanitize it or put a different mask on it so they wouldn't get like burned at the stake or thrown in the brig. Okay this is great stuff. From the Egyptians, to the Orishas. Now we're going to talk about Mary Magdalene consciousness. This is like our own Holy Trinity it seems like. It seems to me that the experiences with the nine happened first?

 Janine Dennis: Yes.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Then the Orishas.

 Janine Dennis: No. So let me back up. The Orishas actually were first, then The Nine, and then a lot of these other guides kind of funneled in thereafter.

Johnny Burke: Okay. And the Mary Magdalene consciousness, how did you discover that?

 Janine Dennis: Through tarot. So in tarot you have typical tarot cards that follow the normal suits, and depending on the maker, they'll switch it up to kind of give it a more dynamic meaning. And then there are something called Oracle cards, and those are just kind of cards that you pull that have the meaning embedded into it, but also there is a level of intuition with it too.

So I have a deck, by Megan Waterson, that's called the Divine Feminine Deck. And so every single card in this deck is actually women guides from all these different backgrounds; north, Egyptian, orishas as well. And basically you get a deeper story on who these women were. So there's been times I've used it and I notice it's kind of the same showing up no matter what I'm asking about. I noticed after a while, Mary Magdalene started showing up for me and it was interesting to read what her story was through the lens of that creator because I think she unearthed something that's just not out there.

Mary Magdalene, from my time of being a Christian was always either not spoken about, spoken about as a prostitute, not really anybody to emulate, but I feel like this deck brought through something different, which is to say that Mary Magdalene was courageous in I guess, branding her own brand of spirituality. Like she didn't go the ways that the other disciples did. She was the apostle of apostles. She was the closest to Jesus, but also, she took his word and did it her own way. And for me that kind of resonates, especially because I've strayed so far from traditional religion, it kind of was just a remembrance of it's okay to be like the multitude of what you are and all can be respected, your humanness and also your spiritual side.

Johnny Burke: Seems like Mary Magdalene, the more I hear about this, she was like, an anti-heroine almost. This is coming up more and more, and I want to come back to this, but before I forget, you mentioned the divine feminine, right? That brings up quite a few things; we all hear people talking about ascension and moving from one dimension to the other and the divine feminine bringing things back into balance. How has that related to the other things that you experienced, if at all?

 Janine Dennis: I think a lot of my work with the Orishas and even some of these other spiritual guides has been to get me to come back over and remember my divine feminine. I think for a long time prior to having any of that experience, I was deeply in my divine masculine and didn't know. We all embody both; the misconception is that, oh, well if you're a woman then it's divine feminine. And if you're a man, then you're just in your masculine. It's actually the masculine doesn't work as well if you don't have your feminine balance. And in a woman, if you're all masculine and you're not in your divine femininity there's imbalance there.

So there is a level of coming home to your sexuality, being in your body, and moving your body remembering that it's your first home and remembering to be soft and to surrender. All of those things I've gotten from all the disciplines we've spoken about.

 I do believe I'm in my divine feminine for the first time, but that was not happening I don't think before because everything in society kind of conspires to harden us women. There's an imbalance, not just because of us. There's an imbalance in the men too, in terms of what they think for a protector or provider, or even a whole person, right? Men haven't been able to necessarily emote to feel to be in those softer areas of life. We're all saying the divine feminine is bringing that needed balance because it is something that we all need, not just women, but all of us. 

Johnny Burke: So, we are out of balance. It would stand to reason that we keep hearing more and more about Mary Magdalene consciousness. Mary Magdalene literally showing up as a guide for several people that I've talked to- that has to be related to us coming back into balance, or is that a stretch?

 Janine Dennis: It's definitely related because her story was one where men were actually jealous of her because of her role, with Jesus and her place next to him. That is a little bit of the mindset of the yin and the yang, the Hieros Gamos, where the masculine, the feminine meet and there's unity. And that's really where Mary Magdalene and Christ consciousness all comes into play. We're moving towards a higher consciousness of unity, right? We're very divided, no matter how you slice it. 

But I think the more people that are able to take a higher perspective and say, Hey, everything's falling apart. The cosmic scales have been imbalanced for a long time. We need to take the perspective of unity. There is no separation between you or I or me and someone else. We're the same essence at our core, and if we remember that then we can treat each other better, hopefully.

Johnny Burke: Separation is an illusion. I've heard that, again and again. So, Mary Magdalene consciousness and Christ Consciousness are related, the same, or are they different sides of the same coin? 

 Janine Dennis: I would say different sides of the same coin, because Christ consciousness at a really basic level is just higher consciousness. For some people. They tie it more acutely to Jesus and his teachings, which a lot of it is about, treating one another well, honoring things, keeping certain things sacred.

With Mary Magdalene, she’s on the other side of the coin because it's not as high and lofty or unattainable. I think Mary Magdalene is what brings it down to practical knowledge because her whole story is about balancing being human and being your highest and most, praised self, I guess, or accept itself, right? Her whole archetype is to remind us that it's okay to be human. It's okay to be fallible and all the other fragile things that come with being human, but also in being that you are sacred, you are spiritual. So it's not to say that because someone isn't having this sort of ascension or that doesn't yet have a gift like tarot and numerology, that their path is any less sacred. It's not.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of gifts, you had mentioned before that you have the gift of mediumship, but you choose not to use it. I've heard that quite a bit where that that term is almost like a stigma. Is that the reason that you don't really want to be associated with that, or is it something else?

 Janine Dennis: It is. You used the word in the beginning of the broadcast about parlor games. Unfortunately, you have some bad actors out there that have made it a bit of that. It's not just mediumship, it's being a shaman, a mystic , psychic, any of that. I truly believe that those of us that really have those abilities are not as keen to apply those labels to ourselves, for fear of being exploited, for fear of a lot of things. I think there's a quiet leadership that we're all exhibiting, we're like almost moving in plain sight that we certainly really wouldn't be. Because the absorption of the sort of energy that some of these people would have to be taking on to do that sort of channeling sometimes can be debilitating.

Johnny Burke: I've heard that, quite a bit's draining. We've interviewed quite a few mediums on the show, which is always great because I think the intuitives, the mediums, whether they want to use that term or not, are going to be able to tell us a lot more. about what really happens when we die. Do our souls survive? Does consciousness survive? And same thing with channeling' even people under hypnosis and they remember the in-between state and things like that. 

So to put it all together, cause you've had some very interesting experiences with The Nine, the Orishas, I can't help but think of Mary Magdalene consciousness. That's almost like a band name too. They're probably an electronic outfit. But, in all seriousness though, what do you see the intuitives and the mediums of today combined with the spirit guides and everything that entails, where is that going in the future? What can we expect?

 Janine Dennis: I think that a lot of the spirit guides and energies that are present now that you're hearing about more and more? I think they're back on earth. I think they've always been around, but I think they've come closer and they're on earth and they're speaking through people because quite urgently there are messages that need to get out to the collective.

 It's not like I'm a chosen one or anything like that. I think there's several hundred if not thousands of people that they're touching, coming to whomever seems to either have the lineage, whether it's lineage or bloodline, or just a receptivity to the spiritual world and they feel like they'd be a good vessel. I feel like everyone that's honoring the call is speaking in the ways of their guides and of their ancestors, whomever is looking out for them. But it's not just for the betterment of that person, it's for the betterment of the collective because we're in a lot of trouble.

Johnny Burke: There's going to be upheaval, right? Because the old institutions and the paradigms are crumbling. So it seems to me that there's a couple different things happening, but another thing that does come up is that the veil seems to be getting thinner. And I talked to one person who said the veil is not even there anymore. Which maybe it isn't for her, but for me it's definitely there. Do you see the veil getting thinner? What are your thoughts?

 Janine Dennis: The veil is extremely thin. I think in the past it used to be the thinnest in the fall, like around like Día de los Muertos, and Halloween Samhain, those times because it's Scorpio season. It's the underworld, it's the underbelly, and it tends to be, but I find year after year it's just thin, period.

I don't know if it's all the way gone, but they're here. Whether it's galactic beings or your Orishas, they're definitely around who they need to be and they are, I think, downloading into us on a regular basis so that we are doing the things that we signed on to do. Here on Earth.

Johnny Burke: So some of us, if not all of us, are getting like automatic updates and not even knowing about it. 

 Janine Dennis: Oh yeah, there's definitely a change in consciousness from the time that I started awakening and doing all these things. You virtually could not find a Tarot reader with ease or anyone talking about astrology or mercury retrogrades. And I've seen over the last 10 ish years where now this is all mainstream. So it tells me that the messaging I was getting back then, that the collective is going to shift and frequencies are going to shift were actually true.  

Johnny Burke: It’s all about frequencies. So last question:  it seemed to me that there could be a convergence between Christ Consciousness and Mary Magdalene Consciousness. Obviously, that would be a good thing, but could it possibly mean that you don't have to be a member of any one religious sect or club. Would that mean that in the future people rely less on religion because it's the antithesis of a club because everyone is accepted. Does that make sense? 

 Janine Dennis: Yeah. I think if we could get to Christ's consciousness, and so I've also seen that people of a lot of different religious backgrounds seem to gravitate towards this or be called to it. So I do think that you're onto something when you say that maybe it's a step away from religion. The function of organized religion to me is power and control, when you get outside of that and you're in the space that I'm in, you realize that really, we're all saying a lot of the same things. 

And also, there is a higher consciousness to tap into that we're not allowed to because religion won't allow it; that is what God can do. You can't do that. I think that’s the freedom that I've felt and being where I'm at, is just not being confined to this notion that I'm lesser than this being and that I can't have the foresight that perhaps this central being we all speak of in different names has -it's there for the taking. 

Johnny Burke: That's one thing I think a lot of us would really like to see. great stuff. Janine, thanks for coming on to the show. in the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

 Janine Dennis: So you can find me on Instagram. I'm at MsJanineNicole, and also @BeAlchemy. you can also visit the Be Alchemy  website  and I'm on LinkedIn as Janine Dennis.