Time Travel, Love & the Great Fire with Kathy Forti

In this episode of Closer to Venus, host Johnny Burke interviews Dr. Kathy Forti, a clinical psychologist, Egyptian mystery school teacher, and author. They discuss her latest book, 'Portal to Passion,' which combines elements of time travel, romance, and the historic 1835 fire in New York. Dr. Forti explains her fascination with the fire, its impact on New York's development, and the historical opium trade's karmic consequences. They also delve into themes of past life memories, non-linear time, and the 'age of truth.' Additional topics include government experiments on time travel technology and the intersection of science fiction and hidden truths.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

00:46 Fascination with the 1835 Fire of New York

02:12 Time Travel and Historical Romance

03:12 Past Life Memories and Historical Research

07:08 The Concept of Concurrent Lives

08:06 Government Experiments with Time Travel

12:09 Writing and Publishing the Book

17:41 The Age of Truth and Human Origins

19:41 Conclusion and Contact Information

Transcript

Johnny Burke 0:01

Welcome to Closer to Venus. I'm Johnny Burke, and today's guest is Dr. Kathy Forte. She is a clinical psychologist, Egyptian mystery school teacher, and author of Fractals of God, as well as the Stax Library of Truth series. In this episode, we'll discuss her latest book, Portal to Passion: Time Travel, Love, and the Great Fire. Kathy, welcome back to the program.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Hi, Johnny. I'm glad to be back.

Johnny Burke 0:30

Alright, it's been a minute. The last time we spoke, you were talking about ancient civilizations in Egypt and Atlantis. This is what you learned during your NDE. Is this new work related? Is there a connection, or is this more of a standalone book?

SPEAKER_00 0:47

No, this is more of a standalone. I was always intrigued by time travel, and I was always intrigued by the 1835 Fire of New York, which wiped out all of Wall Street. So I combined the two with modern day and going back in time in a real sizzling, a chili pepper style, a historical romance.

Johnny Burke 1:08

Time travel and love. So why do you think that you were fascinated with the Great Fire? And I think there was one in Chicago too, but this one was in New York City and it was 1835, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:21

1835, most people have no idea. Even in fact, a lot of people I've talked to who live in New York, who have lived there for years, were not aware of this fire. And it started on a frozen night in December of 1835. The rivers were frozen, the fire equipment was frozen, it was below zero, and everything incinerated. And from that fire, New York's grid was changed. And it really changed the whole development of the city after that. Avenues were laid down, streets were laid down, water was put in. So it was a real key moving point of evolution for New York City. So I was fascinated, and I had never heard anybody actually put it into a book. And so I decided not only would I do that, but I'd bring in some elements that most people didn't know about. And that's during 1835, it was the big shipping trade of opium, which started after 1835. You had two more opium wars. And the thing is that we traded with China for their silk and tea, but China didn't have anything that they wanted from us. So we created a need. And in Turkey, we had opium fields there, and we brought opium over to China, hooked their population, became addicts, and suddenly they wanted opium for China, for tea and silk. Here it is, and years later, 2025, and China has created all of this fentanyl that has karmic retribution back at us.

Johnny Burke 3:12

Okay. Now you've had past life memories, obviously. Have you any of this particular period, say in the 1830s, and perhaps in New York as well? Or were there visions perhaps?

SPEAKER_00 3:25

It felt very familiar while I was doing it. And the very thing is that when you're obsessed with a certain time in history, that's usually a clue that you've probably been there and are just reaccessing those memories. And it felt like I was back in time there, although I hadn't traveled time traveled, but I was living that period for quite a while. And I was fascinated with not only 1835, but the Metropolitan Museum of Art in present time and their costume collections. And so I tied the two together in a really interesting twist of how the main character, a woman, is thrown back into 1835. Yeah. Her name is Catherine Branigan. They call her Kat, and she's one of the heads of costume preservation at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. And I used to always go there when I lived in New York to see the costume collections. And of course, I had friends in the fashion industry who went to the Metropolitan Gala Party, which is like the Oscar Awards of Fashion. So I tied the two together: the gala events, the 1835 exhibition at the Metropolitan, and she gets this mysterious donor collection of 1835 pristine costumes, which leads back to her being propelled back to that time. She's trying to change them from all their opium ways, and she knows exactly what's going to happen. So she has two skills to trade on: future forecasting, her knowledge of fashion, and she happens to be a cutthroat billiards player. She uses all those skills to survive in 1835 where women couldn't even open a bank account without a man.

Johnny Burke 5:06

You mentioned she wanted to change some things, but she was hesitant about possibly impacting the future. But what we've all been told is that if this is indeed possible, which I'm not sure, I've not done it, but if someone were to go back to say 1835 in this example and change something, wouldn't that trigger a different timeline or not necessarily?

SPEAKER_00 5:31

If it did change things, how would we know it in present time? It wouldn't have happened.

Johnny Burke 5:36

It's on a different timeline.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

It's on a different timeline. She's very careful about telling specifics about the fire because she knows that is what changed. And people don't know that most of New York was built on opium money. All the rich know now. They know now. And she's telling them to invest in hospitals and institutions. Of course, they emblaze their name all over it, but that's another thing most people don't know that New York was built on a lot of drug money. She's careful, but she gets in trouble with the bankers and other very key men because she knows too much and they don't really know where she's from. They just think she's a psychic.

Johnny Burke 6:13

That's gonna immediately trigger theories about how psychics aren't really psychics. They're just time travelers that just know what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Could be possible. I'm not gonna discount that. Some people, having worked as a clinical psychologist and working with people who had multiple personality disorder, they had a very fine line between the veils of reality and timelines. Because they were always in a hyper-vigilant state for self-preservation, they were more psychically inclined. And some people just are born that way, that they may not call it timelines, but they can see between dimensional things and they just get a hit on that. Without being a psychic, we've all had that experience at some time or another. Or we might have had a prophetic dream that told us this is going to happen. I've seen that, I'm sure you have too. But time travel is interesting.

Johnny Burke 7:04

That goes back to the question about those of us who dream about people in places that look really familiar, even though we've not physically met them or been to those places. I would think that's related. And every single intuitive I have inquired about this would say the same thing. It's either a past life or what are now called concurrent lives, or some people will call it a parallel universe, but it's a lot easier to get your head around it if you describe it as a concurrent life because after all, everything's happening all at once, right? It's like on the same axis.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Time is simultaneous, yes. This is my seventh book now, and many of those stories all came out of a dream I had where I saw everything that was happening, the plot, and I decided, okay, I'm gonna make that into a book. That's pretty interesting. Yeah, same thing. People say time travel is science fiction, and actually they have to do a little bit more research than that. Our government was experimenting it within the late 1960s, early 70s, and it started in Tesla. Nikola Tesla died under mysterious circumstances, and in 1943, when he died, they they seized all of his patent designs. And interesting enough, they sent a physicist named John Trump, which happens to be Donald J. Trump's uncle, and to look at all this stuff. And they didn't exactly know what they were looking at. One of the devices was a time travel. Now, years later, I met a lawyer named Andrew Bushago. We had dinner a few times, and I remember asking him, this was before the 2016 election. I just happened to say, is Hillary Clinton going to win the president? He said, We've looked into the future back when my father was part of DARPA. They look at weapons and they were the ones that seized a lot of Tesla stuff. And they thought that there was some powerful weapons that he was building that needed to be put under lock and key, national security, and so forth. So my friend's father worked for DARPA with Donald Rumsfeld. They were the ones experimenting on a device that he said had the shimmering radiant energy ran through, and it looked like two parentheses, big parentheses. And they didn't know what it was, what it did at first. And then they realized that if something went through it, sometimes it didn't come back. And so they started experimenting with children operatives. They used Mexican migrant kids, like if they didn't come back, it didn't matter.

Johnny Burke 9:34

That's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

But then they they used some DARPA children, and this is not unusual. Having worked with MKUltra clients in the past, a lot of them came from military families, military intelligence. So it was all contained this information. So what they saw was they looked into the future. He said he went back to Gettysburg, 1865, and the Gettysburg Address, and they even saw a picture later in history where they identified him in the crowd. He also said he went back to 2045, went forward to 2045, I should say. They saw a lot of things. He said, We saw the 9-11, we saw Obama's pregnancy, we saw Clinton's, and this was back in the late 60s, early 70s, and it was a thing called you can look at a Project Pegasus. It was a dark budget operative.

Johnny Burke 10:24

Like a black ops type thing, or black ops type thing.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

And so it's been around for a long time. It was the ultimate way to hide things in the future or look to see what was happening. It's like all those people putting futures on airline stock for 9-11 a day before or two days before. He says we knew it was going to happen. He said one of the first things they came back and they were shocked. And he said, We asked, who was the president at the time? Was it Republican or Democrat? He said that was one of the first things they asked.

Johnny Burke 10:54

Of course. I would have done the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

So they found out a lot of things. He's Ivy League trained lawyer. He was very credible. And like I said, he said none of the timelines we looked at through the devices of Tesla showed Hillary would ever be president. But I failed to ask him at the time who would run. Donald Trump, I don't think, was even on the radar at the time I asked him, so it would have seemed strange to me. But yeah, he said a lot of different things, and he said it before it happened because he had seen it as a child. He called it the jump room. He said he went through a number of times. And so have a number of other people. And it was the ultimate weapon to see what was the future, and sometimes they were helping make the future happen if it was a desirable outcome.

Johnny Burke 11:40

Okay, so bottom line, based on your experience, and you've obviously done some research, time travel really is not a fantasy anymore. It's actually a reality. Right. That's insane. But insane in a cool way, as long as it's not being used for nefarious purposes, of course.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

We have no control over that, but something like that could always be seen as a weapon.

Johnny Burke 12:03

Yeah, of course. Other than your fascination with the costume collection at the museum and this particular period, were there any other sources of inspiration for the book?

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Yeah, I did not know about the opium wars. And somebody was telling me about a book they'd read, and so I started looking into that, and I was fascinated, and I was more fascinated with the karmic repercussions of what we had done. As the Dutch East India Company, the U.S. investors, a lot of rich people, shipping magnets in New York, and what monster we had created by enslaving our own people. Because it didn't happen immediately, we don't always put those two things together and realize, oh my gosh, there is a karmic repercussion down the line. It might not happen immediately, but it does happen.

Johnny Burke 12:53

As you were writing the book, you felt like you were living the experience, like literally back in time. What did you learn from that experience? Because I'm not sure that's happened before in some of your previous work.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

I felt the restrictions of being a woman. All the things that I never would have thought that we take for granted. Suddenly Kat was having to deal with, and she's a pretty feisty, independent woman, and she has to learn to navigate around this. And it was pretty gutsy at the time. Women did not play billiards unless it was in the privacy of their own home where nobody saw them. And here she goes out to a hotel and challenges one of the biggest shippers in New York to play a game, not actually knowing what the stakes are. And because she's so confident. She's run competitions in pool in New York, pool clubs, and so forth like that. And society is pretty much aghast. But it was also the time when the New York Herald came into being, which was one of the biggest newspapers, and they started with all gossip and society stuff where men could advertise for women, no questions asked, name your particulars and so forth. So it was much more racy than we would have thought during that time. But there's, oh my God, all these little tidbits, Delmonico's restaurant in New York came into being during that time. And so I include all of this kind of trivia that New Yorkers would be fascinated with reading this book, that it's all been lost over time.

Johnny Burke 14:24

You wrote this book, if I'm not mistaken, a long time ago, but this is your latest work that's been published. So was there a particular reason you wanted to publish this now?

SPEAKER_00 14:37

Just to backtrack a little bit, I wrote this book 40 years ago when people were still doing typewriters. It was an electric typewriter, but computers weren't in existence then. And I'd sent it, it was like a 700-some-page manuscript, you know, but I double spaced it thinking, okay, when it goes to single space, it'll be 300, it'll be about the right size. Because it was my first book. I sent it to the editor, uh senior editor at Avon Books, and she wrote back and she said, This is actually really good for a first novel, but it's way too long. We'd be willing to take another look at it if you edit it. The daunting idea of a 700-page editing. I stuck it in my closet, and there it laid for 40 years. And last year, around the end of last year, I had a dream, and it said it was time to take that novel out of the closet and rework it. It wasn't a time travel book at all. It was just a historical romance 1835 and didn't have the opium component, didn't have the Metropolitan Museum component. I read it and I said, you know, I can salvage this, but I want to put in some things that will really make people think. And I revamped the whole book.

Johnny Burke 15:45

That's where the time travel came in.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Time travel and the Metropolitan and the Opium Wars came in. Yes. All my books tried to convey some type of truth that we may not be aware of. And so I sneaked that into my fictional stuff.

Johnny Burke 16:00

Anything else that we need to know about the new book?

SPEAKER_00 16:03

No, I mean it's getting good reviews. I just talked with somebody who is uh died in the world, New Yorker, and she said the same thing. I'm stuck in 1835. That's all I can tell you.

Johnny Burke 16:13

That's a really big compliment.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Yes. And that's what I always hope to do. I mean, in my four series book, Stax Library of Truth, which is about that interdimensional portal in the Library of Congress to a library of truth, kind of like the Akashic Records, I try to drop tidbits of truth to get people to really think. And so people say, sometimes your books are nonfiction fiction, you know, but that's throughout a lot of things. A lot of truth is always hidden in science fiction.

Johnny Burke 16:43

Nonfiction fiction, what that reminds me of, is that I'm starting to see more books written that are almost wholly inspired by past life memories. I don't know really how someone could create a new genre, but if so, what do you suppose that genre would be called?

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Science fiction truth. Yeah. I personally just said I call it nonfiction fiction. They should have a category for that. And I think that's been going on for uh centuries, decades. People hide it within stories and people get the idea. It's easier to disseminate that way, but it gets people thinking, and that's the whole key to get people thinking.

Johnny Burke 17:22

But we're hearing more of it now, though. No wonder they come up with all these incredible stories. They dreamed about it or someone sent them a download or something like that, right? Isn't that how it works?

SPEAKER_00 17:35

I call this the age of truth or the age of discernment. We're all awakening in some level to a greater truth. We're finding out more about man's true origins, which have been hidden for ages, Smithsonian being one of the biggest culprits of that. And the truth is that man has been around for billions of years. And most, as I said, Atlantean and stuff like that, lands have gone down, the earth has changed, we've lost history, it's been buried under the sea, or disintegrated or so forth like that. To go back and think that we're only like maybe 10,000 years old is crazy. I mean, we're finding civilizations that predate 10,000. But the mainstream narrative is to try to preserve as much as can be what they have told us. But I don't think that people are buying it anymore. They're questioning, and that's good, to question everything.

Johnny Burke 18:29

I like what you said about the age of truth. It's complements what we've been hearing about ascension and moving from 3D to 5D and moving from what is it, the Piscean Age to the Aquarian age. Is ascension and the age of truth one and the same? What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 18:47

I think so. I think it is. Truth, awakening to truth. We all have our inner truths, we have community, societal, uh, cultural truth, but basically we're all human beings and we're all in this together. And to be blocked off and say, no, this is can't be or that can't be, that's just being hardening of the arteries in your brain, and then after a while it stops working.

Johnny Burke 19:13

I think at some point the history of mankind is eventually going to get rewritten. That's what it sounds like. It's not gonna happen tomorrow, but it will happen. And no, I'm not a seer or a psychic. I'm not from the future that I know of, but that's just us connecting the dots.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

It would take religions to step aside and allow some of this to come forth.

Johnny Burke 19:35

That's part of the plan or part of the equation. Kathy, thanks again for coming back. I do think we might have another installment in the future, but I'll leave that for next time. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

SPEAKER_00 19:49

They can go to Stacks, a library of truth.com or trinfinity8.com. All my books are available on Amazon, in print, kindle, and audio. So you'll find all seven of my books there. You'll find our interesting reads, and that's just not for me saying that.

Johnny Burke 20:07

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