#239 Metaphysical Adventures and Higher Dimensions with Mark Worthington

Mark Worthington calls himself a "metaphysical adventurer"—an author, channel, and healer whose life changed the night Archangel Michael appeared at the foot of his bed. In this episode, Mark walks through his hundreds of psychic experiences, his channeled conversations with angels, ascended masters, and Jesus, and what he's learned from exploring over a thousand of his own past lives.

In this episode:

• Why Mark believes we're 12-dimensional beings living a 3D experience
• How past-life karma shapes the struggles of this lifetime — and how it can be released
• What Mark says Jesus told him about a coming "splitting" of consciousness on Earth

00:00 Introduction to Mark Worthington

00:35 Understanding Dimensions and Higher Realms

03:29 Mark's Metaphysical Awakening

06:49 Interacting with Spirits and Higher Beings

12:08 Past Lives and Karma

17:07 Galactic Connections and Mentorship

19:12 The Role of Ancient Civilizations

22:24 The Splitting of Consciousness and Future of Humanity

32:58 Conversations with Jesus and Final Thoughts

https://mark-worthington.com/

Transcript

Johnny Burke 0:01

Welcome to Closer to Venus. I'm Johnny Burke, and today's guest is Mark Worthington. He is an author, channel, healer, and refers to himself as a metaphysical adventurer. He's had many experiences with metaphysical beings that have given him access to extraordinary psychic adventures. In this episode, we'll discuss how understanding universal truths and mastering the metaphysical realms while you are in the 3D can assist you to take your life to a whole new level. Mark, welcome to the program.

Mark Worthington 0:33

Good morning, and thank you for having me on the show.

Johnny Burke 0:35

Speaking of the 3D, I've heard different answers on this question. Is that the third dimension or is that third density?

Mark Worthington 0:44

I just call it third dimension, which is where we are. We're in a universe full of what I understand to be 12 different dimensions, and we're living on this planet. We're in the third, although that is shifting as we know. But that's where we've been for thousands of years in a dimension. Because everything's just a frequency. So we're just in a third-dimensional frequency.

Johnny Burke 1:05

What you're saying is it's a third dimension, it's not the third density, because I've heard different people say different things. Does it really matter?

Mark Worthington 1:13

I don't think it's something I've ever put my mind to too much, but I think there are other denser places in the universe than the earth, but we're third-dimensional based on the fact that there are twelve dimensions. But that doesn't stop you and I from actually becoming a part of the higher dimensions while we're here. And in fact, your soul is of higher dimension. So you're actually a dual being. You're a physical being with a physical body in a physical world, which is the third-dimensional aspects of you, but you're also a light being with a soul that could be from anywhere from zero to the twelfth dimension. So you've actually got this dual capacity within you, and that's one of the things that I've written about is if people choose to, they can actually access the higher light being aspects of themselves. You can take your physicality as well to a higher frequency. So while you're living here, you can actually become a more advanced being by virtue of merging your metaphysical and your physical aspects with awareness. You're always merged, but if you want to do the work, you can take yourself to that higher psychic ability.

Johnny Burke 2:23

The fifth dimension is non-physical, isn't it?

Mark Worthington 2:26

Yeah, it's just when we're in the third dimension, the next dimension is the fourth dimension, which is non-physical. That's where ghosts and things tend to hang out. And when you sleep at night and you dream, your consciousness goes to that fourth dimension. The fifth dimension is beyond that. It's when unconditional love starts to kick into our awareness. And there's a bit of a myth that we're all moving into the fifth dimension. We're not. We're actually moving into higher dimensions, but I could move into the twelfth dimension, or you could move into the twelfth dimension, and the person next to me might be in the fifth, but it's a kind of a rudimentary way that a lot of psychics have described where we're actually moving, when in fact, if you do the work or if you merge increase your frequency, you will go to your natural vibration, which could be much higher than the fifth dimension. But the fifth dimension is what a lot of people write about as the earth moving into a more of a loving space.

Johnny Burke 3:26

How did you find yourself on this path of being a metaphysical adventurer?

Mark Worthington 3:32

Well, I'd always been really interested in the metaphysical, but in 2000 and I think it was 14, I was just laying in my bedroom, and the next thing I know, I had the massive angel in front of me, wing-tipped angels, Archangel Michael, standing in front of me. And around that time I also had this experience where I was just sitting in my lounge room late at night one night, and all of a sudden, every electrical advice, every light in the house, and I was alone, just all started going off, blinking, TVs going off, and there was this just this amazing sensation around me that I felt in love and positive in that moment. Should it have scared me? Well, I think a lot of people would have been. But I was like, wow, this is beautiful, and I could feel beings around me. And after that, I just started to have all these metaphysical psychic experiences, a whole lot of abilities I didn't know I had started to appear. I started to be able to see spirits, I started to be able to feel them, and not very I'm not someone who hears them much, but I can intuitively hear them in my own head. So it just all exploded around me, and then I've had literally probably 500 major psychic experiences. It started with an angel. It started with Archangel Michael standing in front of me with his wings right out. I didn't invite this, it came to me. Apparently, it was time. We all have these awakenings, and that's different for everybody. You might have a totally different experience to me. Very few people have the same experiences. Archangel Michael, what specifically did he look like? He went all the way to the ceiling. He had big wings, they were green and yellow, and it it was slightly hazy because it was light. As you'd imagine, I think what the universe gives you is what your mind is able to cope with and what it thinks it should see. So here I'm looking at an angel, and it's exactly what I would picture as an angel with the wings out and everything. You would have a probably a different experience because you'd have your own perception of what an angel looks like. It's not going to scare you. It's going to give you what your mind can cope with. And that's what I was obviously given.

Johnny Burke 5:41

So did he identify himself, or you just knew that was him? How did you figure that out?

Mark Worthington 5:46

No, I didn't know who or what it was. I just was confused. Then I rang a friend of mine who's actually a psyche, and she confirmed it was him, but then in subsequent channels, probably two years later, he confirmed it was him to me and told me why he'd come to see me, because he said my life was approaching a massive crossroads, he called it, and that he was there to show me that I was being supported by the metaphysical realms. Interestingly, only a few months later my wife decided she wasn't going to leave me. So there was the crossroad. So I think he was preparing me for what we see as the future, which for them is not the future, because they already know what's coming.

Johnny Burke 6:28

We are hearing quite a few people talk about angel sightings or angel experiences. So at that point, spirits started coming to you, you sensing them. So how exactly do you interact with these spirits? For me, firstly, I see them.

Mark Worthington 6:45

I see their light. I may hear their voice, but that's quite rare for me. I feel them more than anything. If a spirit's in the room, my whole body will tingle and I know that they're there. And but what I do is just tune into them and say, What would you have me know? Why are you here? What are you here to show me? And for me, I've been quite fortunate. I've had a few interactions with what you might call negative spirits, but 99% of them have been loving spirits. High vibrational beings or relatives that are here to support me. I had two or three demonic kind of experiences. That can always happen, but that's quite rare because what happens if you're in this process of awakening? Often the spirits are protecting you because you're going through this vibrational lift, and they keep saying to me in the sessions I have with them, you are heavily supported and you're heavily protected. So in your process, I have had beings that have semi-possessed me, but the spirits have helped me get rid of them.

Johnny Burke 7:46

So they're there for me. Now, some of these beings were mentoring you at some point of your development. Were those intergalactic beings or were they light beings? How did that happen? Well, this is still going on today.

Mark Worthington 8:01

I still have two to three sessions a month. Look, I was invited to a channeling session. I didn't know what that was at the time in 2017, and I went along thinking, oh, this will be interesting. I'm into psychic things and I'll just see where that goes. Next thing I'm talking to Archangel Michael, Mary Magdalene, and Saint Germain, and they started explaining to me that this was something I agreed to before I was born, that they would come and coach me at this point in my life. Because I have some kind of role to play in, I don't know exactly yet, but they started to work with me on my life. Like it was basically I'd gone through a pretty difficult time, like divorces and things, and they were here to help fix me. But one of the things they made it clear to me was that this was always agreed that this would take place. And the woman who'd come to me, I found out was my sister energetically from another galaxy. So the beings I talk to are really diverse. There's archangels, there's beings from a place called Sirius, which is apparently my star seed, there's the Galactic Council, there's ancient Egyptian column gods, there's beings from lots of other galaxies. I I did write them down at one stage. There's about 35 of them. And they're not all from the kind of Catholic or Christian religion, and I've recorded every one of these conversations, even the Delai Lama. I've got 400 conversations, and they're all fully recorded. Most of them go for two to three hours. You have the audio?

Johnny Burke 9:32

Yeah, not the audio. You mentioned something about the ancient Egyptians a minute ago. How are the ancient Egyptians connected to some of these galactic beings?

Mark Worthington 9:44

So when the Earth was established, it was apparently a very thriving place originally, with you know, people were very connected to the galaxies and they were very high vibration, and the world was really good. Atlantis fell, and the wisdom from Atlantis was taken to by a guy called Toth, was taken to Egypt, and he rebuilt Egypt based on what he called Mart, which is the spiritual truths of the universe. And he buried the truths from Atlantis in Egypt. So a lot of people who've had the high vibrational experience of living on the earth, and there are many, not just me, have experienced either Atlantis or Egypt. And they have memories of these incredible times when life was lived in those higher dimensions upon the earth. The earth's actually gone backwards over the last five thousand years.

Johnny Burke 10:41

So our civilization has gone backwards.

Mark Worthington 10:44

Our understanding of spiritual concepts, our understanding of how to live from love, it's largely lost. Most people the the earth went into a sort of a darkness. I think it was the death of some of the ancient Egyptian pharaohs, Osiris being the main one, that tipped the world into this negative uh energy of ego. And it hasn't it's only now we're coming out of that spiritual hierarchy of going, that's it, right? This was this was always arranged to be, but we've had thousands of years of people living from ego and illusion. And now those who choose to can step into back into the higher realms that existed back then. A lot of people who have had that experience being in those higher vibrational lives, and most of us have had past lives, then we're being encouraged now. We're being sent back to Earth and encouraged to remember what was it like here when the world was in a high vibrational state. And people like I know that I was one of those people, and I've been sent back to Egypt to experience that.

Johnny Burke 11:50

Your past life memories, do you have them of these ancient civilizations like ancient Egypt, Atlantis, maybe even Lemuria, which I think is supposed to be even older?

Mark Worthington 12:00

Yes, I do. I've been through about a hundred, at least a hundred of past lives. With the help of my angelic beings that I talk to, also some very high vibrational earth humans who are able to access those past lives with me and for me. There's no point in doing that unless you get the lessons from those past lives and then you see the karma involved in those past lives, and then if you can get a hundred percent understanding of what you're supposed to learn from those past life experiences, then you can release the karma from those past lives. What I found was that many of the problems I had in this life, most of them I'd had as a series of in my series of past lives, just about everything bad that happened in this life was something that I was repeating. And I've had a thousand past lives, I'm told. One of the things that my soul wanted me to help it do in this life was actually remove a lot of these really negative soul patterns so that my energy could lift and therefore I could attract in a better life. A lot of us don't realize that a lot of the negativity we might experience in life is really hard to avoid. Unless you play safe. Those karmic experiences, they're here to play out. And every time you die, you go back to call it heaven, but it's not really heaven, it's the place of your heritage. And then when you come back down, your karmic field, your energy field around you, that's probably five meters wide, that's like a big pattern of all your past karma. And so when you come back to Earth, you slot back into that karmic field, and you can either just accept, yeah, it's an energy field, and you can photograph that. I've had mine photograph, and you can work on that karmic field, or you can just accept that things are going to go wrong because you've got karma to pay, and sometimes you've got to pay the karma to remove it. That's actually not true now. There's a shift in awareness. So where karma used to have to be kinetic. So if I killed someone in a past life, I had to come back to Earth to be killed so that I could reverse the karma. The soul wanted that to happen, but now it can be reversed through awareness, which is why I've been doing all these past life processes. Because I can see the past life, I can learn the learning. The angels make me get to 100% understanding of how that's played out in this life and what I was meant to learn from that karma. Then it's released. The soul, once it knows you have full awareness and you're offering like forgiveness, it will release the energy from you. And that's actually not an easy process because it can be physically very demanding to go through that energetic release. You then remove that karma and then it's not going to play out in this life anymore. So it's not something people understand, but karma rules the lives of most people if they've lived past lives.

Johnny Burke 14:50

I think it does. And speaking of karma, you mentioned a moment ago that we don't really go to heaven, we go back to a place of our heritage, should you say?

Mark Worthington 15:00

Yeah.

Johnny Burke 15:00

Yeah. Okay, so what exactly is that?

Mark Worthington 15:03

Most souls have been on this journey through eternity for billions of years. And you will find that people talk about aliens, but we've all lived in different parts of the universe, in different civilizations, in different lives, and have different experiences. The soul determines where you go. So, for example, what I've understood is that my most recent star seed is Sirius. And that's where I'm located. So when I die, what I've been told is I will go back to Sirius. And then I will have a life review of my life. I will then decide if I go back to Earth or somewhere else, where will be my next incarnation, or will I just stay in Sirius? Now I know I've had past lives in Andromeda and I've had past lives in Pleiades and all these different parts of the universe, but at the moment my call it family is in in Sirius, and we all have that. So when people say they're an alien, we all are, because Earth is just a temporary place we come to for experience. We're not earthlings. We're universal beings that pop up at different parts of the universe and have different experiences. And in some of those, you might live there for thousands of years, like here you probably live for a hundred years.

Johnny Burke 16:20

It's a misconception that aliens are different to us. I had a medium tell me once a while back when I asked a question about aliens, and she said they don't like being called aliens. And I said, Why? It's because alien means apart and they don't feel like they're apart from us. That was a huge aha moment, put it that way. Speaking of, let's call them ETs, you've had some experiences with many galactic beings, which I believe you were being tutored or mentored. What was the purpose of that?

Mark Worthington 16:51

What they told me was that I chose before I came to Earth to do a certain thing, whatever that is. And they won't tell me yet exactly, but they've been working on my energy because what I'm meant to do is bring into alignment my energy with the energy of my soul that's coming through. And when it comes through, it's got some major purpose to exhibit. I don't know exactly what that is yet. And that'll show itself over time. That's the point of it. Most people will never go through this process where they commit to releasing their negative energies, clearing their field, cleansing their bodies so that this power can come through them. But that's what I've been doing, and many others are doing it too. But that's the point of it. I've had what you might call earth experiences with aliens where I've bade them come down and I've had a spaceship over my house a few times. But I've never seen a little green man. What happens when I see them is that I've had light beings stand in a circle around me. And that's quite common for me. I go, oh, you're here again. I'm used to that. But what they've told me was they come down to observe me because they're trying to assess my energetic status so that we can move forward in the process. Not that they necessarily need to be here. Like at one point, when I started writing my books, they said we've come down to assess you directly because we want you to write some books with us. So the books I've written are all channelled through different beings from across the universe. But they had to come down and see me. I don't get scared by this because I'm so used to it. But I've had the advantage of having multiple conversations with them from I think it's seven or eight different galaxies now that are coming talk to me.

Johnny Burke 18:39

One of the things I've always been curious about is Atlantis and different ancient civilizations. I've even had people tell me that in their past life memories that what we see in, let's say, Egyptian art, figures of half human, half-animal type beings actually did exist. And it seems to me that at one point we coexisted with E.T.s here on Earth. Do any of your memories verify that or not necessarily? My conversations do.

Mark Worthington 19:10

I've had conversations with, say, Anunnaki a number of times. They're the lizard beings, and we've had some conversations. And they've disclosed to me some experiences over the years where they haven't been very friendly to me. But yes, I believe those beings did exist, but now a lot of them look like us. I think some of us are from different sort of heritages. As I said before, we're all from heritages, and some of us may be Ananarchy heritage, and others. It's not something I've put a lot of effort into, but we're definitely a mix I think the Earth was established as a mix of different beings from different parts of the galaxy. Whereas if you go to Assyrius, it's a more pure, these are the Syrians who are here and they're in light beings and they live from love. But in a lot of these places these beings don't have physical bodies. It depends on the environment, but something like Sirius, the temperature of Sirius is four and a half thousand degrees centigrade. So they don't have physical bodies, they're just light beings that they live from pure love and they're pure intelligence. I was asked to go to the earth again and do something. I didn't have to do that. I volunteered, I was told, to come down here and do whatever I'm going to do. But to do that, I had to come back into a physical form, get a physical body and do whatever it is. So when I die, they'll go back up there and just be a light being again.

Johnny Burke 20:27

Is there a reason that we are hearing more about Atlantis? Because I hear about that a lot these days. That and disclosure, what's the connection there? Is it because eventually we're all going to come to accept the fact that five, ten, or twenty thousand years ago we actually coexisted with these beings?

Mark Worthington 20:47

No, no, just I think what's happening is that a lot of the beings that were here in those ancient times are coming back. They're being reborn around the earth. And these are the ones with the ancient memories of living from love. And they say Atlantis is arising. A lot of the higher vibrational beings from Atlantis and Egypt are coming back to try and help the Earth move to a higher vibration because the earth itself, the physical planet, is moving to a higher vibration. Therefore, it needs human beings to change the way we live on its surface. And so these people are coming back with the higher vibrations to help with that process in different ways. And we've all got different roles to play there. And these people have been seated around the planet, and most of them apparently are invisible, we don't know who they are yet. But they're going to step into leadership positions over time. They don't know who they are yet? Most of them don't. Some of them do. Some of them, like me, do, but most of them will find out eventually when they have their awakening. Or they may have already had their awakening and that they're starting to move into that understanding. I put this under the big heading of truth. The one thing That my whole process has shown me with all these conversations. I was sent to different parts of the world where I'd had previous lives to rebalance karma. It's all about me understanding my truth. Because only in truth can you drop into your full energetic awareness and become the energy that you're meant to be. You can't do that in illusion. So I've had to face so much junk. Like this is not an easy path. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wants to try and find their energetic high vibrational being on this planet. It's not an easy path to take. Because you've got to face a lot of karma, a lot of junk. But this is what's going on. These high vibrational beings, and you could be one. We're coming back here. The fact that you have such an interest in the metaphysical probably means I had this fascination with the metaphysical. Why? Because ultimately I was going to work with the metaphysical. So a lot of these aliens and that we talk about, they are making contact with us. And this is what they tell me. We are entering the stage of connection with them because they love us. They're actually here to help us. You know, what they say to me is the earth is such a low vibrational place because of the way humanity lives. That vibration goes out into the universe and it's affecting the whole universe. And so the earth is seen as a we are seen as a vibrational problem child that needs to be fixed. And it's going to be fixed. And it's already been fixed in another dimension.

Johnny Burke 23:29

A recent guest, his name is M. D. Seelig, former marine jet attack pilot, was privy to the Secret Space Program. One of the things he told me, which I've never heard anywhere else, is some of the ETs are almost envy of us because even though they were more advanced in many ways, we are able to love, whereas some of these ETs do not have any emotions. So could it be that the majority of the ETs, the friendly ones, look at us as part problem child, but a problem child that has immense capability?

Mark Worthington 24:06

I had a conversation from these beings who were from a galaxy they called Kun. They said I couldn't pronounce the whole thing, but they said to me, You we admire you because A, you're taking on the challenge of being on the earth, but B, we are totally logical beings. We don't have emotions like you. So it's almost like Dr. Spock off Star Trek was actually like on the money. So these beings, when they talk to you, they can't feel. Like they're totally intelligent and totally logical, but they can't have the feelings we have. And that's one of the advantages of being human. Emotion is something we can have, good or bad. Being on this planet, you have the potential to live from ego or from love. And the earth was set up as an experiment to give people the choice between living from love and ego. And it's unfortunately for many people it's gone off the rails.

Johnny Burke 24:57

But if that's true, not too long ago you mentioned something about, I believe it was Assyrians, where they live in love. Is it possible for, let's say, a star race can live in that state of love as a light being, but not have emotions? They don't have a body for a start.

Mark Worthington 25:15

So they don't get to express love. They can't have sex, for example. They've told me we can't drink nice drinks. We we don't have hands. Oh, that's a shame. Which exactly we can't touch. So they keep saying to me, enjoy your time on Earth, because when you come back up here, you can't do a lot of that stuff you can do now. But they live in only one state. That's pure intelligence and pure truth. Which means they're always in a state of divine bliss. But they don't know what it feels like to be sad or angry, like we do. Now, maybe that's a good thing, but you know, when you're on the planet here, that gives you the opportunity to feel the whole myriad of different emotions and to learn from the different emotions. We're meant to come here and learn from our emotional experiences and our feelings. They don't have feelings other than bliss. That's not so terrible, though, is it? No, it's not so terrible. And when you die, they say to me, you'll pass back to a place of complete awareness and complete bliss. And you will know everything. Because that's the nature of being a soul. The soul can access everything. Akashic records, the whole thing. And they can travel across the universe instantly and do what they want in a non-physical way. But we obviously are constrained in these bodies, which gives us some advantages but some disadvantages.

Johnny Burke 26:33

So, in sum, the majority of the star races, I'm hoping, want to help us. And it's worth their while to do that because I think they're gaining something from it. But disclosure, that's gonna happen soon, like either this year or the next. You agree?

Mark Worthington 26:50

Yes, but it's already happening for those who want to do it. They are here to help us move to a higher state of vibrational love. That is their purpose. The Galactic Council have told me that they're in charge of all the nuclear weapons, and Armageddon's not gonna happen, they're not gonna allow it. So if humans think they're in charge of this planet, good luck with that illusion, it's not true. So we can live with the comfort of knowing that ultimately they'll let things go a certain level, but they won't let us blow the hell out of each other.

Johnny Burke 27:18

I thought they were not supposed to interfere, but you're saying that's not true.

Mark Worthington 27:23

They won't let the earth be destroyed, is what I've been told. Most of the rest of it's got to be done by humans, but because Mother Nature is one of them, right? They're not gonna let us destroy her. So, yes, there is that a connection's happening already. I do it twice a month, but I do it through a psychic medium and I do it through their own in visitations to me. But as they said to me, it doesn't have to be a physical connection, it can be a a metaphysical connection, which is what is already happening. Now they're showing themselves up there to show us that they're around. If you chose to deal with a psychic channel, you could talk like I do with the beings from Andromeda or Pleiades twice a month. But people don't want to necessarily do this because they don't believe it, but it's already available. They've now connected me to the beings in Sirius. I just have to drop in meditation and bang, they communicate with me. Yeah. Takes five minutes, but it's not physical, and they taught me how to do that. They're not standing here, you know, little green men, but the connections available to anyone who seeks to create it.

Johnny Burke 28:32

There are some that are essentially light beings, but some of the ETs do have physical bodies, correct?

Mark Worthington 28:39

Yes, they do, and they have spaceships and all that. That's true. I for one point had all these visions of being inside a spaceship, and then the spirit said to me, That's because that's the spaceship you were in in one of your past lives. You're just remembering it. So, yeah, some of them are lower vibration, they have physical bodies, and I've been told that there's also places in the universe that are lower vibration than the earth. These are terrible places, you don't want to go there. Thanks for the warning. When you die, you have the ability to go to those places, they said to me. When you're in full awareness, you'll know where they are and you won't go there. What else should we know, at least for tonight? I think we're all on the journey to higher awareness. And it's really about to what extent you want to take that on, you want to get involved in that. A lot of people are on the spiritual path, and they're doing certain spiritual modalities to take them to a more aware place, which is great. We all have to start somewhere. But if you really want to find out who you really are in truth beyond the earth, then there are lots of people and services out there that can help you do it. It's just a matter of whether you want to do it, and you've probably got to pay a certain amount of money to do it. Once you take the mind out of the process, it's a process of getting just closer to the soul, and the closer you get to your soul, the more it will show you who you really are. And you know, when you start on the spiritual process, it's a very mental process the first few years, but then it just turns energetic because the soul takes over and it can be quite confronting, but the soul goes, Right, thank you for joining in. Now we're going to take your energy to a higher level, we're going to activate the kundalini within you, you're going to go through energetic cleansing of your field, and it's actually quite physical. At the end of the day, what it's doing is bringing your vibration to a higher level so that you can receive more. The universe can't give you all the great stuff that you're meant to have because your energy field is blocking you, receiving. So you cleanse your energy field, and that brings you into alignment with the good stuff, right? Now, a lot of young people might be living their first life on earth or their second life on earth. They don't carry the karma of many of those younger people. So they are able to be very fast to psychic ability or just love. They're just not as affected by people who've done thousands of lives on the earth. And that's because the earth's being seated with high vibrational people now. If the spiritual hierarchy are basically gone, let's get this place happening, and you'll find over the next 20, 30 years the vibration of the place, it'll split. It's splitting. Some that are getting on the boat and some that are going to stay here. What Jesus told me was that we are going to go through a splitting where people who live from love are going to be looked after, protected, and have a really great experience on the earth. Those who keep living from ego will suffer. And many of them will actually die. And this is the splitting of consciousness that's taking place. And those people have then come back onto a much more high vibrational world because these vibrational leaders have made it a better place. The younger people have stepped into roles, and we're on a par, and it'd probably take a hundred or more years to get to this much higher vibrational place. But that's what's going on. Then people put their heads in the sand and just stick to their illusion that this is what I am. I'm a physical person, I'm trying to make money. Great. But actually, the universe is totally conscious and totally infinitely intelligent, and it's going to deal with people who don't play the game.

Johnny Burke 32:15

You just mentioned Christ himself. When you had an experience with him, did you actually see him or was it some other type of knowing?

Mark Worthington 32:23

No, he appeared to me once in my bedroom one night, pink actually, as I would see of Jesus. Now that again, that's because it's a visualization that I took into my mind. But I have regular conversations with Jesus, probably every six weeks, eight weeks. And it's just like one of the other 30 coaches, he coaches me. And I had a conversation only a few months ago with him and Mary Magdalene about the truth about true love, right? So it's he's just helping me grow as a human being and helping me remember what I already know. Because your soul knows all this stuff. It's just that you're being reminded of it, and he's actually got quite a good personality, he's quite a good sense of humour. He does have a sense of humor. Okay, okay. Oh, yeah, he does, and he's pretty direct at times. But he's a pleasure to talk to. One thing Jesus always says to me when he talks to me is this one thing. He says, When I died, I became the poster child for suffering on this earth. Because people have pictures of me on the cross everywhere. He said, I don't like that. I would have been I would have been the image of positivity and love, and people have got me hammered to a cross in every church.

Johnny Burke 33:28

That's incredible. I hope that some of us get a chance to have those type of conversations. Mark, thanks again for joining us tonight. Very cool stuff. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

Mark Worthington 33:40

The best way is probably just to go to my website, mark-worthington.com. That has all my personal details on it and my books and everything.

Johnny Burke 33:48

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