#250 Channeling, Trance Healing, and Spiritual Awakening with Jennifer Rose

Host Johnny Burke interviews psychic, medium, channel, and healer Jennifer Rose about her development, emphasizing that anyone can be a medium, but training is essential. Rose describes undertaking “spiritual bootcamp” through development circles, Reiki, trance healing, trance speaking, and nearly 10 years in a physical mediumship group, distinguishing channeling of dimensional beings from trance speaking with loved ones or guides. She reports connecting with angels and, more recently, ETs, while saying she has not experienced negative entities and questioning beliefs about spirit attachments and earthbound ghosts, framing many such experiences as reflections of psychology and perception, moving from duality to oneness. Rose shares a COVID-era spiritual awakening compounded by severe anemia, including prolonged trance states and insights of non-separation and constant connection to spirit. She explains trance healing and “quantum” healing as spirit-assisted processes and concludes with themes of oneness, non-judgment, love, collective transformation, and inner work as a path to broader societal change.

00:00 Meet Jennifer Rose

00:30 Discovering Mediumship

01:48 Training Spiritual Bootcamp

03:05 Channeling Nonhuman Beings

03:52 Protection And Beliefs

04:51 Demons, Curses, and Fear

06:33 Living Near Death Awakening

09:52 Attachments And Ethics

13:29 Ghosts As Inner Reflection

14:42 Earthbound Debate Open Mind

17:03 Duality Versus Oneness Lens

17:58 Different Truths For People

18:15 Mediumship Training Standards

18:37 Past Lives and Present Focus

19:59 Healing Work Explained

20:59 Trance vs Quantum Healing

22:31 Reiki and Spirit Blending

25:09 Miracles and Ancient Parallels

27:27 Core Truths of Spirit

30:09 Paradox and Infinite Mystery

32:12 Love as the Ultimate Test

32:56 Hope, Ascension, Inner Work

35:23 Finding Jennifer Online

https://www.mediumjenniferrose.com/

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to Closer to Venus. I'm Johnny Burke, and today's guest is Jennifer Rose. She is a psychic medium channel and healer. In addition to her one-on-one work with clients, she demonstrates mediumship for small groups and large audiences, including spiritualist churches. In this episode, we'll discuss her experiences as well as what she's learned from the spiritual realm. Jennifer, welcome to the program.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Hello, hello. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

So, when did you first discover your mediumship?

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Not when I was a kid. I knew I was intuitive. I knew I was highly sensitive when I was a kid, but I wasn't one of those seeing spirits everywhere. And that's a good thing to explain to people because some people think that they need to have had that experience to make them a medium. So, not true. Anybody can be a medium too. So it wasn't until I was like later in my life, about 2015-ish, I started feeling the calling. I could see what other mediums were doing and the impact that they were having. I just knew I had to do that. But I did have some experiences when I was a kid where, you know, I was feeling spirit around. But if I told people like I knew that was gonna happen or I felt like that was gonna happen, they never believed me. So you just learned to keep it quiet. But yeah, even as a teenager, you'd find me at a metaphysical bookstore. And so I was always kind of intrigued and interested in metaphysical things and astrology and crystals and things like that. But it wasn't until later that I finally felt that poll as okay, it's time.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

And it's interesting that you brought up that anyone can be a medium, and I'm sure you're aware of this too, because you actually mentor mediums, you can appreciate the need for training. In our last conversation, you mentioned you can't just take a class and then put a shingle out.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Yeah, that would be a very bad idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Yeah, very bad idea. So you also channel as well. Did you start channeling at about the same time, or did that maybe come later?

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Pretty close. I put myself through what I call spiritual boot camp. So I was starting to go to development circles for mediumship and workshops. I went into healing, I learned Reiki, but I also was going into trance healing as well. And then if there was any kind of like trance workshop when it comes to like trance speaking or channeling, I was going to that as well, too. So I was all in. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

You're talking about physical mediumship.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Yeah, so I have been in a physical mediumship private group for almost 10 years as well, too. So trans speaking and channeling are basically the same thing, but some people have their own sort of version. So when we think of channeling, we tend to think more of like interdimensional beings, like ETs or maybe angels, things like that. When we think of trans speaking in the mediumship community, it tends to be more along the lines of connecting with a loved one in spirit or a spirit guide, helper in spirit to giving messages of philosophy, usually. So that tends to be the distinction, but basically you're channeling, you're channeling. So just who you're channeling.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Okay, so speaking of who, have you ever come across different like non-human entities while channeling? Or in your mediumship for that matter?

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Yeah, for sure. Angels came pretty quickly for me too. So I was connecting with loved ones, guides, and angels. And then a little bit more recently, within the last year or so, I've been getting more visits from our galactic friends, I like to call them. And I think because it's probably more needed right now because of the changes that we're going through, or they just decided I was ready. But I'm open to whoever wants to come through. I have found that spirit is multidimensional and very diverse, and so I never limit. I don't go, oh, I'm only gonna connect with loved ones. I don't do that. It's like whoever wants to communicate, you're welcome here.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Okay, so you're open to whoever wants to come through, but aren't there some protection practices just to make sure only the right type of beings come through? Important, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 4:02

I have never had anything negative coming through. I've never had to worry about that. That may be just because what I believe, or maybe I'm protected by my helpers. So it's important to also understand what your beliefs are about spirit world, and there's also deeper understandings of the experiences that we have too. Some people may think that they're communicating with some kind of negative energy or entity, but really what's happening is it's something that's going on with their own mind, their own psychology of themselves. So it's important to like really take a close look at what's happening so that you can have a better understanding looking through it at different lenses, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

It does. And speaking of different beings, I've noticed that a lot of the religious types tend to talk about things like demons and so forth. In your experience, is that most likely just like an E.T. shapeshifter type that's just trying to play around with us, or could that actually be the real thing?

SPEAKER_01 5:08

It depends on what you believe. And so if someone were to come to me thinking they were cursed or thinking that they were possessed or something like that, and I were to explain it to them and say, no, I'm not seeing that for you. What I'm seeing is you have a lot of subconscious fears that are manifesting in your reality or actually helping to create your reality, not anything wrong at all, but they might not believe me. They'd want to go to somebody who would believe them or confirm what they think is happening. And I'm okay with that as long as they feel like they got some help from that person, too, because some mediums may say you've got something negative attached to you, or you've got something negative in your field, and they're doing that to disempower you and get you to then be dependent on them and their services. But some are genuinely trying to help people, some are genuinely trying to help people, their beliefs are matching each other. I still respect them even if I don't quite have the same belief system because these are questions I've been asked, I've asked myself and asked to spirit, why do people have these experiences and things like that? And so I have a some different lenses that I can offer. A lot of times people are going through spiritual awakening, and so what's happening is in their psychic reality, but they may think it's something negative because they don't have any other framework to understand what's happening.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Speaking of spiritual awakening, you had an experience that you described as a living near-death experience, an NDE.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

How did that happen?

SPEAKER_01 6:41

When I started developing in like 2015-16, I pretty much was in a spiritual awakening almost right away because I was doing so much meditating, taking so many classes, and it was just time. It was that was my destiny of what was supposed to happen. Right around COVID, when that started hitting, I had started feeling even more longing towards what I would call God at that time, too. I was I kept feeling this longing to know more. That's not very uncommon. And when COVID hit, I thought, oh boy, we're going into a collective dark night of the soul because people are gonna have nothing to distract themselves but their own thoughts. They're gonna be stuck with their thoughts and they're gonna have to be working out whatever's going on in their subconscious or unconscious mind. And so for myself too, that's when I went into a deeper or more what'd call more advanced stage of spiritual awakening too. I also had a health issue that I wasn't aware of. I was severely anemic, so I was eating a lot of ice. So that contributed to what was already a very difficult experience spiritually, and the two combined together basically, my life force was in not so much in this plane, but was very much in the other reality. So I was seeing the quantum field and I was in trance for a long period of time. And when I finally came out of that and and then was able, once COVID relieved, I could go to the doctor and I could get treated properly. But once I got through the worst of it too, I had come to the point where I understood there was no separate me. I was not a completely individuated separate being, but I was always connected to spirit. We know that, we hear that all the time. You're a spiritual being having a human experience. It's one thing to believe it or to intellectually know it. It's a far another thing to actually experience it too. So I had a lot of psychic stuff going on in my reality that got me to that point. And so now, like I'm always connected, I can always feel the energy, but I'm still very much here in this realm too. I exist in both, but I try really hard to stay grounded in this one so I can be me.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

You mentioned something about being in trance. Were you able to just go into the trans state for like really long periods? Oh yeah. How did that work?

SPEAKER_01 8:53

Yeah, I was streaming information. I was trans down for hours, lost a lot of weight too, but I finally moved through the worst of it. Uh, shamans will go through this too. This was more of a kundalini awakening for me, also, so it was like very much an energetic transformation that was happening within my system. But if you think of a shamanic initiation, they go down into the underworld and they have to face their darkness, and their psyche's gonna give them scary things happening and stuff like that too. It's that's all pretty common, but it's just a way of basically helping you to transcend duality. Now, do I consider myself as completely enlightened and transcended duality? No. But I made a lot of progress. So somebody who has an NDE, they may come back like me with a lot more healing has happened, but they still have some work to do. Some people may come out totally like the whole house got a cleaning. So it just depends on who it is. But I've never been the same since.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

You mentioned something a moment ago, which I think was a reference to entity attachments. When let's say a healer or a medium or whoever notices there are attachments in your energy field. Is the issue that some practitioners want you to be dependent on them to clean them, or is it something else?

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Yeah, very good question. So some people, practitioners, they may already have a pre-existing belief in that. And so then they see something, and then so they go, well, it's that. They've been taught that, they believed that from before. Now we have to remember that, and I have respect for my colleagues who have different belief systems than me, and that's okay. As long as I know they're genuinely trying to help people, then I'm not gonna say, hey, you're trying to harm someone on purpose to get their money, but that is a thing sometimes, right? It's very important that anyone who's in healing work like this, whether you're a medium or a healer, a psychic, whatever, that you're doing your self-development work so you have a nice clear channel, and your your own stuff is not interfering with what's happening with that person. So, like, that's in first and foremost. I do not believe in spirit attachments. I know some people do. That's okay. I have respect for them as well, but I'll just give you my lens or my view as I've come to understand it too. When we when we pass over, our consciousness changes, or it can becomes non-physical once again. Now, it was always non-physical and physical. So there's a part of us that's still residing over in the spirit world. Our higher self is non-physical and it's channeling itself through us as this physical manifestation.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

It's pretty crazy to think about our spirit beings or our higher selves could be together right now looking down, thinking, oh, he's trying to figure this out or trying to ask the right question or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

It's like the Harry Potter movie where he dips himself into the pool of water in the bowl, and then when he dips his face in, he's seeing a whole nother reality happen. It's like that. That's a good way of giving you like a an analogy of what it's like to be in spirit and then translate your consciousness into a physical reality. That makes sense. Because we know this isn't actually as solid as we think it is. With attachments, the question is is we have to ask ourselves a couple questions. So the theory is they need energy, and that's so that's why they're doing that. So I'm like, why do they need energy? They're consciousness, they're divine, they were never separate, and they already are energy. Where's all their spirit helpers? Where's their loved ones? Where's God, source creator, and all of this? Wouldn't they help them along the way over to where they're supposed to go?

SPEAKER_00 12:19

I would think so, because I've had people on the show talking about entity attachments, and it's almost like an earthbound ghost or something, like you said, that is feeding off the energy, which also reminds me of what we have heard about the malevolent ETs, where they basically feed off of our energy at extremes. Some negative and like anything from manic to completely like depressive. Does that make sense or not necessarily?

SPEAKER_01 12:48

There's a package of of information that you just gave me there. I'll try to like get through those different steps too. What could be happening when someone sees an attachment is that what there actually is into in tuning into is another part of that person's psyche, like another persona that perhaps needs to be more integrated. It could be a situation. They could be seeing a dark spot in someone's or and that's basically something in their life that they're transforming right there, too. So it's the lens at which they're perceiving what's happening, if that makes sense too. When it comes to ghosts, that's pretty interesting because again, I would say, like, where is spirit? No one's going to be left behind once your consciousness, you're not physical anymore, so you're going to be in the realm of consciousness now with all the other realm of consciousnesses, too. But what's really happening is too is when I see soul rescue going on, then what we're seeing is a ghost is somebody who is invisible, so can't be seen, can't be heard, needs help going to the light, being seen, being heard, needs help being illuminated. What would you say most people are feeling in the back of their minds? No one sees me, no one hears me. When is someone gonna notice I exist? Those kinds of thoughts. And so what happens with the issues of our anchos, it's it's like a reflection of what people experience psychically and psychologically. So it's a reflection, but that doesn't mean it's real, it's an illusion. But we can use any illusion to teach us something. So they're not there just for no reason. Illusions can teach us something. This reality is full of smoke and mirrors and illusions, and we have to keep going deeper and deeper through the layers to try to get to more clarity. Does that make sense too?

SPEAKER_00 14:31

It does. Speaking of earthbound ghosts, you have had experience with them or no, but I also did not come in with that belief system too.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

So I've never had a problem connecting with anybody. I've never had a problem finding somebody, connecting with them, seeing where they are, seeing how they're doing. And I've never seen anybody having anything bad happening to them. And but I know that colleagues of mine believe that's a thing and that's okay. But I kept asking spirit because there were two camps. That's not true, they're all fakes, they're all trying to take your money. And then there's this camp saying, No, this is true, this is what I'm experiencing, I'm trying to help people, things like that. And I just went, Where are we going with this? So I kept asking the question, it was almost like a need for me, but a need for me is also means that spirit wanted me to understand things through a different lens as well, too. And so it's just it's a reflection. It's just a reflection of what people are feeling. And so why would they be left behind? Where's their helpers? Where's their loved ones? Where is the creator and all of this too?

SPEAKER_00 15:42

I would think the same thing. Like you said, we're the helpers, we're the guides, we're the power animals, or whatever. I would hope that no one gets left behind, but I've interviewed some people that one his name is Rob Guthrie, he's a medium, pet medium, but also gets called in to do paranormal investigations. And one of the things he noticed was there was a disturbance at the site of where Lincoln was assassinated, and it turns out to be haunted by the ghost of John Wilkes Booth. Apparently he hangs out in the gift shop of the theater, and apparently he didn't want to cross over. He was a nasty man then, and he's apparently a very nasty man still. That was his shining moment, and he doesn't want to move on. So what we're driving at here is that if someone does not believe in earthbound ghosts as a practitioner, then they're probably not going to experience them. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Probably. I still keep an open mind because I think that's important. So if new information comes to me, then I will be open to changing my mind. And I think that's important that we all do that. I also understand that when we talk about these things, it's which lens are we looking through? Are we looking through a lens of duality or are we looking through a lens of oneness? That depends because if we're into looking through a lens of duality, there it's a little bit more fear-based. It's a little bit more dark and light distinction kind of thing, too. Whereas when you're looking through the lens of oneness, there's a whole lot of other meanings and things that could be really happening that we haven't even touched into yet or even considered yet. The best question we can ask ourselves with any of this is what else could it be? A lot of times with paranormal stuff, it's there might just need to be a story that needs to be told. And once that story is told and once that understanding is happening, the energy changes and shifts.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

And it's not there anymore.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

And it's not there anymore. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Okay. I've noticed that certain mediums will say one thing and then, you know, a few months later some will tell me something completely different. I've come to understand that what's true for one person might not necessarily be true for another. We're talking about practitioners.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

For sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

I think training is really important. I interviewed a gentleman who is the founder of Fervor Family Foundation. They have grief retreats and things like that, but they also test and certify mediums. I've heard this from more than one medium that actually was certified there, that only about 15% of the mediums are certified. So you've also had some experience with past lives as well, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Some of my own, that's one thing that I went through when I was uh going through a lot of spiritual awakening. I could still tap into that if I want to. So just a matter of like shifting my mindset and my frequency. I'm not very fixated on past lives. I'm I'm more interested in if they can help you learn about yourself here, if they help you in your know thyself journey, then go for it. If we get totally fixated on past lives, then we're escaping our reality here and what our purpose is here too. So I like to focus on like the now, what's going on in your life now, if that makes sense, what's going on within you. We can go on a lot of wild goose chases with spiritual stuff too. And if it helps you learn about you, great. If it distracts you from you and really like knowing who you are, and so that you can elevate yourself into the continual best version of yourself because we're always evolving. And then sometimes you can get some healing from it as well, too, just by when the story is told, you basically illuminated something, and then that story basically gets healed, if that makes sense too. So I am very big on the illumination of whatever is still buried in the darkness. It's basically when you unbury the bones, I use that symbolically and metaphorically, then we change, then we transform.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

You just mentioned healing a moment ago. Do you consider yourself a healer?

SPEAKER_01 19:42

I do consider myself a healer, so that is something that offer I do trans healing. I also do quantum type of healing as well, which is a little bit more interactive, and I teach healing as well. But the person who is doing the healing at the end of the day is the person who's receiving, if that makes sense. So I'm a channel, I'm a helper, but I gotta have a label for it. So I'm not the only one making it happen. It's a partnership of me, of spirit, of my client, and their higher self or soul. It's a team effort, but ultimately it's the person who's receiving the healing who is doing all the work because they're transforming, they're getting whatever they need energetically or psychically to transform themselves to improve their situation, whatever that is, mental, emotional emotional, physical, or spiritual.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Would you consider that quantum healing or something else?

SPEAKER_01 20:37

With trance healing, I'm just moving into a very like subdued, altered state, and and spirit helpers will basically blend with my energy and work through me to send healing to my client or the group that I'm with. And they can even move my hands around and things like that. So it's not me moving them, it's actually spirit. It's quite magical. Doing this kind of work is super magical. It's the wow, the awe of it is fascinating. And but with quantum healing, that's a more interactive experience. I'm still with spirit, but I'm looking into a person's field and I'm able to identify what situations their persons are having, like emotions that is helping to contribute to whatever their problem is, whether it's anxiety or something physical or emotional that they're going through. And so I can tap into that about when it happened, like the story around it too. And so when we move into that and we start to unravel what's going on with that too, it helps to move that energy. So it actually works really well because then the person is also hearing the information and they're able to go, oh yeah, that's right. That did happen. I did have something happen when I was four that was very traumatic, and it brought in a subconscious belief about yourself like this, or an emotion like this. And then we get to move it. And so then over the next couple of weeks, they can start to see a little bit of a change happen for themselves, like more movement of the energy, and they start to feel different afterwards, too. They're both really. Effective, it's just dependent on what that person feels guided to do. It's all quantum at the end of the day, it's energy and light. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

The trance healing, then is that like energy healing on steroids, or is it just another variant?

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yeah, like with Reiki, which I did take, I did all the levels of Reiki too. You're still working with spirit, but you're more present in the situation. So because you're following a structure and you're doing the symbols and you're following your pattern of how you move your hands around and stuff like that too. And a lot of times people who do Reiki will progress and they'll automatically realize I don't really need to do the symbols anymore. And now my hands are moving on their own because spirit has developed with you enough along the way. And so they start to notice something has changed in the way that they're healing. The spirit world is like directly coming in and like blending with my energy. I may even feel like I'm somebody else for a little while there too. But I'm very much moving my own self out of the way. But if I were in person with somebody, they could move my hand for me, like no, over there. So it's not me directing the whole thing, it's more of a spirit world directing the whole thing too. Very beautiful, very magical experience, very divine. It's a beautiful energy to be around, and we get it too being the person who's doing the healing, being the channel, like we're getting the energy moving through us to that's win-win all the way around, to to be a part of that, to see that person's life change for the better. I always feel grateful when I'm like chosen by spirit and they've guided me and this person us to come together. And I'm like, thank you. They've chosen me to communicate as a medium. They've chosen me to be their channel. And when you get into that experience, the atmosphere changes and you feel it, and it's just so beautiful, and the heart's open and the energy is wow. It's super magical. It's not heavy, it's not dark, it's just beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

It sounds a lot more intense than a typical energy healing session, though, don't you think?

SPEAKER_01 23:55

It does feel different for me because I'm really feeling the blend with spirit, same as if I'm channeling. So if I'm channeling or trance speaking, they're very close in my energy. I like to say it's like a big energetic hug, or I'm a color and they're a color, and the colors are like merging together and becoming a third color for half an hour or five minutes, whatever. And so you definitely feel it. So the presence and the atmosphere in the room is pretty palpable. Yes, you can feel it. It'll make you sometimes sleepy. The client and myself too we can get very subdued, and so you it's like you don't even remember sometimes what happened afterwards is very much because you're out of the space of retaining memory. It's in a different brainwave state, too. So it is intense, but it's beautiful intense.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Trance healing is something that we should probably be hearing a lot more about. Or does it get lost in the realm of energy healing?

SPEAKER_01 24:52

There's so many modalities out there, but in the mediumship community, we would consider it a form of mediumship because we're working with spirit doctors or spirit healers, and a lot of magical things on the quantum level can happen there too. Like there's been stories of like someone had a diseased bone. This is in when I teach class, I talk about this one medium, I forget his name right now, too. But someone had a diseased bone, and when the medium healer, trans healer, came in to work with them too, spirit world kind of dematerialized the existing diseased bone and replaced it with more of an ectoplasmic type of bone and re-materialized it. And so then we get into kind of like miracles, miraculous type of things that you can't explain, phenomena you can't explain, things going away faster than they should. So there's been countless versions of stories of things that have happened over the last many years, too. But that starts to filter into even other religions. For instance, Catholicism, they've documented miracles, and so people who have performed miracles have been sainted and things like that too. And you start to find it all over the place. You start to find the miracles, you start to find the unexplained phenomenon, and then you really realize it's like Dorothy, we're not in Kansas anymore. We are playing in a spiritual realm, thinking that we're these very solid human beings, but there's so much more going on that we're not aware of because our lenses are just so immersed here, and that's totally okay too.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

And it could be that some of these miracles that you just mentioned that are documented in the Bible could have been energy healing or trans healing or something like that. When I hear you describe the trans healing, it also sounds like shamanism. It sounds like something a shamanic healer would do.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Yeah, because they're working with spirit world too. Yeah. Kind of like a different flavor of the same thing, too. After a while, all these modalities start to blend together and connect together. And they're all beautiful versions, but that's how spirit is. They have so many different ways of showing us. It's a very colorful way of showing us what's possible. So the more we're open to all of it, like you get the whole candy store versus just a little bag of the crush. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 27:02

It's just in your experience, besides what you just described about trans healing, what are some of the most important things that you've learned about the spirit realm?

SPEAKER_01 27:11

A couple of things. If I want to give you the most important things, we are them, and they are us. They say that again, again and again, that it's just we're having a different experience. We've got our head in the pool of water, like in Harry Potter, right? And they're still there above, too. And so every time they come through, they're like, Don't put us on a pedestal because we're the same as you. You're our friends, you're our brothers, you're our sisters, we are you too. And the other thing is that they see us in our perfection. So we are not judged. That's the lens of oneness, is non-judgment and total compassion. They see us in our absolute perfection, they don't see mistakes, they don't see wrongness, they see the truth of who we have always been and always will be, which is like the light of our being, too. I had an experience with this when I was in the dark night of the soul. I was doing a little bit of a cosmic purging, you could say, of old beliefs that were playing out that, and I was hearing all these negative beliefs about myself, and I was curled in a little ball, and I had stopped resisting it because what you resist persists. Anything you run from will chase you, I always like to say. It will come after you. So I had just given up and was just allowing all of the negative thoughts to happen. I'm just like, yeah, give it to me, give it to me. And then it just stopped. When I stopped resisting, the thoughts just stopped, and everything changed, and I saw my whole life as it really truly was, which was I had been a beautiful and kind person and loving person my whole life. And any mistakes I felt like I had made were insignificant compared to the truth of who I was and who I tried to be. And then I became keenly aware that we are all surrounded by loving beings that, and that's what they see precious, beautiful, perfect. So this is the higher truth of all of this. We live in a realm of duality, so we're gonna experience contrast, totally negative, positive, all of this. I totally get that too. I I understand how bizarre and absurd the spirit world can be. It's an Alice in Wonderland when you go down the rabbit hole, but the container that all of that is in is the oneness, and the oneness is the divine, and we are all part of that divine, and at the end of the day, we will come back into a consciousness and the full understanding, not under the veil anymore, of who we are in addition to our personality, because we're so identified with our personality, we forget that we're spirit too.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

If you had to really quiz the population and you were to ask, are we humans having a spiritual experience or a spirit being having a human experience? What do you think they would say?

SPEAKER_01 29:57

I think you'd have a combination. In spiritual land, as I like to call it, like my community, we would say the latter. We would say spiritual being having a human experience, but a regular person might say, No, I'm human, and then I'm having a spiritual experience too. But I would say neither are wrong. They're both right. The spirit realm is full of paradoxes, so when you're looking for truth, the answer is gonna be yes, no, maybe so, not really exactly.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Just what we need.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

There's a lot of absurdity and a lot of paradoxes to go through too, and it gets really confusing if you're searching for truth, and then sometimes you have to let go of your attachment to it. But what's been consistent for me that I can share with you is that we are them and they are us, and they see us very differently than we see ourselves in each other, which is through the lens of divine oneness. There is so much going on that in our human framework, we'll probably never be able to touch even a portion of it. So to put a big question mark around that and just say, I don't know everything, but what a mystery it is, right? And accept that not everything is gonna make sense. After a while, when you've been through a lot of transformation, you realize that nonsense is actually more logical than trying to make sense of things. Nonsense bec actually starts to make sense.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

We are them and they are us.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Yeah, we are them and they are us. Yeah, it's a huge realm, it's infinite. So I have the infinity symbol on my website too. So I understand we live in infinity, and infinity is beyond itself, even too. So that's just it's so vast. But we are the vastness, right? We are the vastness, we are all of that. It's incredible and mind-boggling. And when you go down this road deciding you wanna be spiritual, doesn't mean you have to be medium, but if you want to be spiritual, you will be tested, you'll go through a lot of transformation in order to help you make peace with duality and understand it on a deeper level. And then you just be like, okay, the nonsense makes more sense than making sense, dude. But it's all wrapped up in love. It is all wrapped up in love, and there is no place that love can't be found. That's the test of it all. If you look hard enough, you'll find it. And it can be hard to find, I know.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

Yes, in the world we live in currently, yeah, it's de it's definitely a a good observation. Hopefully that changes.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

Oh, it will. It has to.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

What else do we need to know on the subject, at least for tonight?

SPEAKER_01 32:32

In in the lines of what you were just saying is I understand the world is going through some really challenging things right now, too, unspeakable things. It's very difficult for people to think, how could it be this bad? People, no one wants to look at it. We tend to try to keep as distracted as possible. As good as it is, is as bad as it can be. And as bad as it can be is as good as it can be, too. And so we have to hold the balance the best that we can. I strongly believe we actually are ascending and elevating. There is too much evidence that's being presented. There's so many visitations from ETs and the cosmic beings that are letting us know that they're here, they're supporting, they're not doing everything for us, but they're supporting. And a lot of old structures are falling away and breaking down and will no longer be, and they have to be replaced by something new, right? So I really strongly feel I can give some hope for everybody that we are moving towards a better place. We have to evolve, right? I haven't had one spirit being or ET saying that this won't work. They're basically saying this has to be successful. This is where we're going. So what we can do is work on ourselves. So that means we have to clean out the clutter of our own minds. We have to look at ourselves and be willing to see what's in there and do the work. We can call it shadow work if you want to call it too, making peace with your darkness, coming into wholeness because when you do that, you change the collective. So it's like a critical mass of people who are maturing, psychologically maturing and emotionally maturing. You get a critical mass, you really start to change the game. That's the game changer, too. So that's what we can do. It makes a big difference. So it's we got to be careful of being always focused on the external. It's know thyself. When you know yourself, you change your reality, but you also change the reality around you of everybody that you're connected to, and then some and then some. That's really important. I thank you for allowing me to express that to you. It makes a huge difference.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

That's what we do here on the podcast. We're trying to learn just like everybody else. And I think you've made a really good point about we have to do the work inside because as we change our reality, it has a ripple effect.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Huge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

All right, Jennifer, thanks for coming on to the show. Great stuff. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Thank you. My website is mediumgeniferose.com, so you can find me over there, and I have a newsletter if you want to subscribe to that. On Facebook, I'm Medium Jennifer Rose and Instagram Jennifer Rose Medium over on YouTube, Medium Jennifer Rose.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

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