Build Your Brand, Not a Persona with Ronni Landeck

If you’ve ever been the person who “just handles it,” this episode is for you. Jess and Claude sit down with leadership coach Ronni Landeck to talk about authenticity at work that’s rooted in alignment (not performance), boundaries that protect your time without sounding difficult, and communication that doesn’t come with a side of apology.

They kick off with a powerful distinction: being a high performer is being great at your job — becoming “the default” is being great at everyone else’s job too. From there, Ronni shares how to stay authentic within real workplace dynamics, how to pause with executive presence when you’re put on the spot, and how to build sustainable success without burning out.

You’ll also hear Ronni’s SOURCE framework — a practical guide for staying grounded under pressure — plus a simple way to reframe imposter syndrome using self-compassion and “power phrases” that help you show up with clarity and confidence.

What we cover in this episode

• The difference between being a high performer vs. becoming “the default”
• What authenticity at work actually means (and what people get wrong)
• Boundaries that strengthen executive presence
• A clear script to use when new work gets added to your plate
• Confidence, imposter syndrome, and why self-compassion matters
• Ronni’s SOURCE framework for sustainable performance and personal growth

The sentence to use when someone hands you work that isn’t yours
 “Right now, my top three priorities are A, B, and C — where would you like this new task prioritized?”

Memorable moments

• “Hope isn’t a strategy.”
• “Self-compassion is a muscle—you build it.”
• “Action brings clarity and confidence.”

Resources mentioned

• How to Win Friends and Influence People — Dale Carnegie
• Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors — Janina Fisher
• Self-compassion research — Kristin Neff
• Rumi: “As you start to walk on the way, the way appears.”

Connect with Ronni Landeck
 Website: https://ronnilandeck.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronni-landeck-bast/

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Transcript

High Performer Vs Default

Jess K 0:00

What's the difference between being a high performer and being the default? High performer is I'm great at my job. And default is I'm great at everybody else's job too.

Claude F 0:11

It's when your reputation becomes just give it to her, she'll handle it.

Theme: Authenticity And Boundaries

Jess K 0:16

It may sound like respect, but really it's about access.

Claude F 0:19

Today we are talking about authenticity in real life. Boundaries that match your values, communication that doesn't come with a slide, a side of apology.

Jess K 0:29

And by the end, Ronnie Landack is giving you the exact sentence to use when someone casually hands you something that isn't yours without sounding difficult.

Claude F 0:40

So let's get into it.

Jess K 0:41

Hi, I'm Cloon, and I'm Jeff.

Claude F 0:44

We are corporate employees by day, entrepreneurs by night, and work besties for life.

Meet Leadership Coach Ronnie Landeck

Jess K 0:50

Join us as we explore how work besties lift each other up, laugh through the chaos, and thrive together in every industry. Work besties! Welcome back, work besties! This month we're talking authenticity and personal branding. And we're not just talking about the persona, but we're talking about alignment and how this can all help you. Today we're joined by a leadership coach, Ronnie Landeck. She is a high-achieving mid-career woman who leads with calm, confident strength, providing those healthy boundaries and clear communications and sustainable ways to be successful. Ronnie, welcome to Work Besties Who podcast.

Ronni Landeck 1:33

Thank you so much. It's so fun to dig in and also to learn from what you're, you know, bringing to the table.

Early Curiosity And Self-Leadership

Jess K 1:40

On your bio, you listed how as a teenager you were reading how to win friends and influence people, which kind of blew me away because I didn't think I even knew that book. What were you searching for back then and what caused you to pick that book up?

Ronni Landeck 1:55

I love this question. Even before teen years, I had this hunger to understand why are the people around me doing what they're doing? You know, why are they reacting? Why are some seeming so joyful and others always in struggle mode? Right. And I think it was my desire to lead myself, you know, clarity and why I was doing what I was doing and who I was going to play hopscotch with when I was a little kid and all those things, you know, like I think I always had this desire to know why I was doing things and how others were. So it all really lined up. And even to this day, I read for fun. It's still nonfiction, psychology theories, therapy frameworks, labeled personal development. But really, I reframe it as self-leadership because if we understand our motives and our the why behind our choices and habits, then you're living a really you're able to live a really purposeful life in career, in family, in all the arenas that matter to us.

Claude F 2:57

What are you reading right now?

Ronni Landeck 2:59

This is quite the opposite of light reading. It's called Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors.

Jess K 3:06

Wow.

Ronni Landeck 3:07

You're not gonna lie in your hammock and read that. It's an amazing book. Um, Janina Fisher is the um is the researcher and therapist. And as a coach, I'm not doing therapy, but just giving myself a really strong foundation, people um experience, and also my own journey has a strong interplay into how I show up. I guess that's where I always like feeding that desire for knowledge. And that goes right back to the book you brought up that I was reading. That wasn't necessarily like the typical teenager choice, probably either, now that I think about it.

Books, Trauma Insight, And Coaching Lens

Jess K 3:40

So it sounds like you're a lifelong learner. You you commented that you at an early age already started leadership. Can you walk us through how you got to where you are today?

Ronni Landeck 3:51

In broad strokes, I would say I always found ways to take a challenging spot in life and turn it into something that was a great opportunity. And not always just an opportunity for me, but for those who I love. I was a parent at a super early age, like I was a teenager and still paved my way through college, got married my junior year, like did the things and had my leadership roles in my 20s. And what that what that brought me to was the ability to say when I have other people in my sphere, how to bring out the best in them based on challenges that we're experiencing together. Perhaps I'm their leader, or perhaps at this phase I'm coaching them and showing them um new ways of my clients' new ways of viewing where they are, their situation. And then also making conscious choices to adjust either old habits of thought or old habits of how, you know, how they uh how they're showing up and handling their time and their energy and all those things.

Jess K 4:56

Ronnie, it seems to me that you are what you would dec define as a high performer. Um and as you've navigated your life with that, what are some life lessons or early warning signs that you would have for somebody who also is performing like you?

Red Flags For High Achievers

Ronni Landeck 5:13

High performance, high achieving, obviously valuable, right? This is this is not a situation where we're waiting for something to be handed or for someone to build a door in front of us for us to walk through, right? It requires building your own door a lot of times, garnering the resources to get it built. But I would say the first, the first red flag or first like danger zone to avoid is to be doing it for some reason that's external, right? So these things that we pour ourselves into, be it your career ladder or founding your business, or you know, even just working as a leader in your home, whatever it is, if the purpose behind it is something intrinsic and and that feels very real, true, authentic, grounded, all those things, then you're gonna have a much deeper well to pull from when it stuff hits the fan. If it's for external reasons, I want to look like a good person, you know, I wanna, I want to please my mom, dad, whomever, or I want to have status because that seems like that is a definition of success that I've just blindly adopted, right? So all of those things are so like giving away your power in many, in many ways. And that can lead to such things like burnout or people who've climbed and then they're like, wow, leadership's lonely. I'm thinking maybe it shouldn't be lonely. It doesn't have to be lonely. You're not alone at the top if you've climbed in a way that is driven by true meaning that you've intentionally chosen.

Claude F 6:38

But what happened when you don't have those true meanings, right? But you see going up. So then what happens?

Work Besties As Honest Mirrors

Ronni Landeck 6:45

A few things that I observe is people feeling disconnected, right? Disconnected from the daily work they're doing, disconnected from the people around them. I think that's a big symptom. And when you're disconnected from where you are every day, what's the outgrowth of that? The outgrowth of that can be depression, it can be anxiety, it can be defaulting to things that numb you out, right? And that could be as simple as binging Netflix could be numbing out. You know, I'm not saying it has to be an actual, like, you know, ism, but those symptoms seem very pervasive around us. It's not uncommon. And I I won't say that I'm immune to that, right? I'm not immune to that either. Our mind has its tendency to want us to stay safe and go towards what feels familiar and calls that safe, right? So it's almost like you have to recalibrate and get clear and get still and have tools. Systems lead to this success that we're sort of dancing around the idea of systems lead to that, not willpower. Hope isn't a strategy. I can't hope for happiness and joy one day. No, you have to have a system in place that leaves you free to experience joy as you're working your tail off at your job or building your business or raising the kids and book bags are flying and lunchboxes are here and there, everybody's late for everything that day or that week. You still can have joy and peace in the middle of the messiness. And I can attest to that, right? I did that. I I worked in the career space and raised the children, and now I'm on the other side of it, reflecting back. I've been an empty nester now for three years. There's just a lot of richness to saying, if I know where I'm going, meaning having a vision, owning that vision, and also being patient with the process and patient with ourselves, that's where true thriving is going to happen.

Jess K 8:39

Right, sometimes a person doesn't realize that they are not being their most authentic. Is there value in leveraging your work bestie for that? Yeah, definitely.

Ronni Landeck 8:52

I feel like the work bestie role being a challenger, a cheerleader, and a coach kind of wrapped into the same person. That's that's one way to um conceptualize it. And so you can have this this really honest time and say, hey, here's one thing I've been working on. It's been on my mind. I really want to work on this. Would you be able to help me? When you see me saying yes to everything at the next meeting, go ahead and kick me under the table now.

Jess K 9:19

I love that. It's like it's like that meme um where you're an X your work bestie and she always gives the faces and you have to keep nudging her, like, stop.

Ronni Landeck 9:26

Or maybe every time I use this phrase that shifts me into like being victim mode or blaming or not or making an excuse. When you hear me saying this, just say, hey, there's your word. What do you mean you switch it to? So with a lot of love and I would say safety, right? Like safety in that friendship. I think there's so much ability to grow and lean on that. I love that concept.

Jess K 9:48

Claude and I do that really well. There's definitely times where I'm overly stressed and I'm so in the weeds of the stress that I don't even recognize it. And Claude will just say like a couple quick things, like, are you okay?

What Authenticity At Work Really Means

Claude F 10:02

And likewise, right? It's a lot of time. And that's what I love about also to have those work friendship is that it's called vice versa. There's no, I give you this, you give me that. It's really like whenever it happens, when someone needs it, we are there, you know. It's a really fantasticity.

Jess K 10:19

I wanted to shift a little bit because you taught you tapped into the word authentic and finding yourself once you are in your zone of authenticity, of course, corrects you from those other things. From your point of view, what do people get wrong about authenticity at work?

Ronni Landeck 10:40

Authenticity at work does not ignore the fact that you're in a context, right? With with a certain company culture and a boss or two who has their nuances that you're aware of. Authenticity doesn't mean I'm going to show these five sides of my personality no matter who's talking to me. That's not that's the way to do it with wisdom, we'll say. And I also think authenticity also doesn't mean that if you don't match the expectations that are laid out around you, that you don't belong there, it doesn't mean that. Doesn't mean you're not good enough. It just means you have to really find clear personal operating principles that keep you on track, that keep you feeling, hey, I am making meaningful steps. I my voice matters in this context, you know, whatever industry you're working in. And then um the component of authenticity is owning, how you're choosing to show up, but also protecting that with healthy ways of establishing boundaries, you know, boundaries about the time you can put to something, whether it's helping someone else or taking on a new thing on your plate, right? Or boundaries about how much you want to lose, you know. So you have this idea of, you know, you don't want to be insincere, but you also don't have to overshare all the time. Some of your some of your strength comes from showing what's going to be helpful in that context. And you're still authentic. It's not changing what you what you um are allowing to be true for yourself, but it's more like I'm presenting something in this setting to do my job well or to support my team well or to forward, you know, our initiatives in a really effective way, you know. So I would say keeping some energy on the inside as you're going forth with your work. Sounds like balance and boundaries.

Jess K 12:41

The combination of that.

Boundary Moves That Signal Presence

Claude F 12:43

And speaking about boundaries, what's a boundary that could increase executive presence?

Ronni Landeck 12:49

Ooh, that's great. When you're put on the spot, perhaps in a work meeting or even just in a conversation at work. We'll look at that that setting. A helpful boundary is to give yourself really intentional time. Take a deep breath. Say, I want to pull up the the most helpful way to approach this that you've now that you've asked this important question. Give yourself a moment to gather the moving parts on the inside. Because perhaps in that intense moment, maybe you feel threatened, or maybe you feel like you don't know enough, or you don't not sure which avenue to take in in approaching it. So I would say the boundary of saying, I'm going to take my time, I'm going to pause, and I'm going to say it's a great question. Let me gather the best way to explain this. And then take your time and explain it. To me, I feel like that boundary of owning your ability to clear clear your thoughts and maybe even ask a clarifying question before you answer, those two things will allow you to still own the spot you're in. The person feels like you're there, you're not hiding, but you're also giving it a lot of um thoughtful presence to what they're what they're bringing to you.

Claude F 14:02

I love that because instead of responsing in an emotional manner, which sometimes doesn't really show an executive presence by coming out there rethinking and just saying the fact really shows my presence. I love this point. And it's very hard, especially as women, to not just trying to blur it out because we think unfortunately sometimes I'm not good enough.

Jess K 14:30

Or for me, that came with wisdom and age. When I was younger, I was thinking whoever answers first or quickest is the one that gets the most attention. And then a lot of corporate environments, they they still do. Especially more so now because everything's so instantaneous, right? We're like, swipe, swipe, swipe. I feel like I notice even more now the people that give the pause and take the time and say, Oh, I have an idea. And then like there's this long pause, and then they come up with it, usually do have the most profound insights or way to move things forward.

Graceful Pushback On Extra Work

Claude F 15:00

And all their eyes go right away to that person waiting for that, you know, insight.

Jess K 15:06

From a boundary perspective, do you have specific examples or maybe tactics that could help somebody in cases where they are trying to still be themselves in an authentic way, but have to graciously push back on the extra work?

Ronni Landeck 15:23

In this setting, would you say it's coming from like their boss? Yeah.

Jess K 15:28

Somebody at a higher, a higher level. Doesn't even have to be their boss, but at a higher level, yeah.

Ronni Landeck 15:33

Someone from a higher level of saying, hey, we're gonna add this to your uh to your responsibilities. A really effective formula is to share. Right now, my top three priorities are the A, B, C. Where would you prioritize this, this new thing you're handing me or asking me to take on? Where would you prioritize this if these are my top three priorities? So it's now bringing that person who's asking you to do something, it's bringing them into the situation to have awareness of what you're working on and how busy and productive you are. And it also shows you your stuff, right? You know what's important and where you're prioritize, prioritizing your focus. At this juncture, they can say, Oh, maybe they didn't know you had those three huge things. Or they might say, Well, this rises to the top of all those because I have an urgent deadline, right? So then now it's a two-way dialogue. You know, at the end of the day, what I tell clients is you're just talking to another human. It's this is a human-to-human conversation. So having that ability to bring bring forth information that's gonna show them, hey, I'm analyzing this, I'm ready to do what's reasonable. Let's figure out what's reasonable together. So I I would say name your top priorities and just say, Where would you, where would you put this into that? Help me to see what you're seeing.

Claude F 16:48

That's not great because it goes on them now. It's not my choice anymore, it's their choice. And it's true, right? And that's put the balance on the way.

Building Real Confidence And Clarity

Jess K 16:58

Well, I would frame it slightly different. I don't think it's their choice. I think it goes from being defensive to alignment. You're both meeting in the middle and saying, God, it because many individuals report into multiple people and they could be completely different teams. So you can't always have this uh insight to say, Well, you tell me what are these the three things you want. You have to let them know, hey, I can only balance two out of the three. So you gotta drop one of your other things. It can't just be let them fully own it. There has to be the meaning in the middle, too. So that correlates into going from the boundary element to more around dealing with confidence. So when our bestie community come to us, they comment about how they are looking for support or ideas and how to be more confident when they show up. So they know who they are, they know what they want to do, they know boundary pushing, but how do I consistently show up and don't have such fear of comparing myself to others? In your mind, what does that look like?

Finding Your Power Phrase With Compassion

Ronni Landeck 17:56

Confidence is a huge topic that that we work on. When you go back to the root of what is causing them to not feel as confident as they want, that's where the actual rich conversation in the coaching relationships can happen. Because if they're not confident because they're not clear on the value they're bringing to that team or to this new role, that could be an opportunity to say, well, let's get super clear on what does winning look like for you? You know, are your goals goals that you feel are um important enough to really make changes for? And how do we define those goals? And it's not always one goal, right? It's like maybe somebody wants to get a next level, next level promotion, but they don't feel like they have the confidence, but they have the expertise and the and experience. So the gap is not about believing that they, you know, belong there, but the gap might be am I clear on how to show up in order to get there? You know, who do I need to start talking to more? How do I need to present my ideas differently um in different settings, even in an email, you know? Like so, so things like confidence is going to be achieved by getting super clear on what winning looks like for that person. The other, the other thing is the imposter syndrome idea, which all of us are susceptible to it. It's a sign that you're getting out of your comfort zone. And that's actually a good thing. We reframe it as the fact that you're not comfortable and this imposter thought has space to even pop up, it means you actually are in some area of growth and transition and challenging yourself. Growth is a must if you're going to be fulfilled, happy, joyful in life. So, in that sense, instead of saying I feel a little bit out of my depth or I might look like a goofball after this presentation, the things that we tell ourselves instead, what I lead people through is first, what's the message you're feeling when you're freaked out, when you're having that moment, what is the actual message? What's what's the voice saying? Usually it's like, wow, if you you mess this up, no one's gonna ever trust you again. Something like that, whatever the person says their fear is. And then you shift that into, okay, let that be. We're not gonna resist it. Just let it be. Acknowledge that's fear and that fear is normal, natural. But here's our replacement message. What is that new empowering message? I let the client see what surfaces. What is the new empowering message? For one client, it was, I'm okay. That was her empowering message, I'm okay. So when she was in these hot seat moments, leading an international task force, you know, getting in front of governments, she was like, she literally would tell herself, I'm okay. And then that gave her just enough clear-headedness. Her frontal lobe was now functioning, she was able to show up knowledgeable, clearly articulating her ideas. That was confidence. But we don't say, don't say, what's the magic pill for confidence? It's more like working back, going to the root, and then the outgrowth, the outcome is confidence.

Claude F 21:02

How do you know what is that phrase that will make all feel all better? How do you find it? Because, for example, asking for a friend, some people that have past the central, they still know the value. They know what they bring to the organization. For example, I know what I bring to other organizations. It's pretty good, but I'm still going to have this complex. How do you find that phrase that is going to make it better?

The SOURCE Framework Explained

Ronni Landeck 21:32

It's getting super still and allowing some space for that fear to be present. Like that's a very vulnerable moment. Happens usually in a coaching context. Some people do it on their own in like a journaling time or that sort of thing. But get vulnerable, get honest with ourselves, own the fact that, hey, we don't want to be rejected. We don't want to be seen as insignificant, whatever those core universal types of fears can be. And then you're literally. Showing yourself self-compassion. It's a super powerful principle. And I always end up going there with clients, is the practice of self-compassion is sort of like the example of if your best friend said, Hey, I just had the biggest mistake at work, and now I'm going to have to have five difficult conversations because of it. Would you say to your best friend, Oh my gosh, you're such a loser? You know, what's wrong with you? No. Right. However, what do we do when we make a mistake? Quick to attack ourselves in thinking, right? Oh my gosh, what's wrong with you? You'll never get it right, right? Self-compassion is a muscle where you build it and it is directing that same compassion towards yourself that you would offer to your best friend. Kristen Neff, her career is really focused on research. She's a psychologist around self-compassion and the benefits to the individual and think about it, to the organization if the individual is practicing this. So you find that phrase, you can call it a power phrase, by owning the fear, recognizing it's there, but then also being self-compassionate in that moment. And the true message is the one that comes to the surface. Here's one, you've done the best you could with what you had available at that time. The knowledge, the resources, everything at the time, you did the best you could, you know? That's very self-compassionate. And saying that to yourself can start to heal some of those old like things that you kick yourself for, right? And that muscle gets stronger the more you build.

Jess K 23:28

It doesn't have to be the same though, right? Like you could consistently change it.

Ronni Landeck 23:32

It could change like from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. Like it's it's our minds are our minds are beautifully creative. They can be creative about putting ourselves down, right? But they can also be really creative about nurturing the part of us that deserves to be nurtured just by our birthright, you know? Great questions.

Claude F 23:52

Thank you.

Jess K 23:53

I just keep saying, I've got this. I can do this. I know my worth. I know my worth.

Claude F 23:59

But I know my worth. That's the sad part. Well, that's the thing that's the next time.

Jess K 24:04

I know my worth and you deserve to hear it, or something that pushes you to just say it, and then you don't feel as nervous or whatever the trigger is for you. It sounds like it's gonna evolve too, right? You're always learning as humans, everyone are coming to the world.

Claude F 24:21

Oh, totally. I always say to my team, we are always here to learn because I even learn every day, otherwise it's boring.

Jess K 24:28

Right. Ronnie, one of the things that you had in your repertoire, a source framework, and how that can help women stay aligned when they are under pressure situations.

Sustainable Performance Over Time

Ronni Landeck 24:39

It's a very flexible framework. And when I first came up with the components of it, I didn't realize how much it was going to flex with different phases of what women are working on in their career or in their life, or even me personally, you know, what it meant when I first thought of it. So that's what I love about the framework is it's not prescriptive. It's more like, let's look at what where you where you came from, what's important to you, and what do you envision? What's your bigger picture? So then we line that up together. And everyone's values are different, everyone's gifts. We take into account the individual in these moments. So here's the the gist is each letter is a piece of a framework. It's not a linear type of practice. So S is self-awareness, self-exploration, and it has evolved into self-leadership. That's the ability to, you know, manage those emotions and even manage the voices that that want to hold you back, or adjust those old beliefs that don't serve. So first it's recognizing what are those beliefs that are limiting me, and then rewriting our view of our story. When you asked what brought me to where I am in my life, if you asked me my story a year ago, it would be a different narrative. Same life, same events. We shift our narrative to mean different things, and we do that with intention when you're working with me on your goal. So the S is self-leadership, self. And then the O is openness. Are you open to exploring new habits of thought, new ways of extending yourself and being willing to become uncomfortable with uncertainty? You know, uncertainty is around us, but that's one of the fears is we're grasping for something that feels predictable, feels controllable. But in reality, if you can say change is the only thing I can count on, change is the only constant. Now you're not going to be caught on your heels when the company restructure happens. You know, you're more resilient and with a stronger response when you have this openness and these um habits that we build. And it is different for each person. Okay, the you is upward, looking at your purpose, something higher, a higher power, a higher purpose, the spiritual component of what we're doing. And when I say spiritual, it's not like a religious practice per se. It doesn't have to be. It's more like the meaning and what what really makes you uh dig deep when it's time to dig deep. The you is upward. And then um the R, rest, revive. And I thought of this more than five years ago. So it's not hey, hustle culture, you know, not even a reaction. It's more like the actual instinct of resting, the instinct of giving yourself one minute of your eyes closed per hour. That does wonders for your brain function, wonders for your productivity. So little things that people hadn't thought of. But then if you start practicing some of these things, it makes perfect sense. I kind of on some level knew that I needed this, right? And then you're doing it. So rest, revive, and then see is community. We are taught to be self-reliant, we're taught to figure things out and be independent. However, the true thriving in life comes from doing it in some sort of group, right? Maybe supporting other women, maybe it's something completely social and not work-related, but building community that uplifts you is a big component. And then in the career goal aspect, it can be networking, right? How some men and women have this aversion to networking and showing up in this way. So sometimes this the C, the community building is networking that way too. And then the E is execution because action is what brings clarity and confidence and the roomy quote that was as you start to walk on the way, the way appears, right? So sometimes taking that really bold, courageous action without really knowing exactly how it's gonna look, that's that's where the gold is. Like that's where the um the good things start to happen. So I've helped women who they thought they were coming to me for feeling like they were low energy and maybe burn burning out. At the end, in the course of working with me, they're like, I really want to start my own consultancy. I want to do my own thing. And I've never really knew where to begin, or they had the belief that they could, but something was standing in the way. Action brings the clarity, brings the confidence. My coaching, I creates that really catalyzing but safe spot to go, let's go for it. Like you want that for a reason. That dream's been there for a purpose, and it's okay, and it's not too late and all the phase.

Jess K 29:14

Amazing. I think it's a great way to for you to frame it up. That is impressive. Thanks for sharing that. We wanted to add up what is that difference between being a high performer and being the default?

How To Connect With Ronnie

Ronni Landeck 29:26

The main difference between being a high performer and performer by default is that you're doing it in a way that is sustainable for you over time. Not just like, oh, Ronnie had a great September, but now she can barely get to the table on time in in December because she's all over the place. So no, it's sustainable over time. And to be sustainable over time, your output has to come from a place that honors our physical well-being, our emotional well-being, our relational strengths. I keep touching back on that because that really is the core of being strong and solid and people knowing who you are and what you stand for and what they can count on you for, you know. So I would say the sustainable part comes from looking big picture, what what breeds holistic well-being in all the zones as a as an individual. So that way you can lead with clear, decisive presence so that you can execute on the things that people are counting on you for. Ronnie, how can people find you? Yeah, I'm on LinkedIn and then also my website, it's Ronnielandack.com. So R-O-N-N-I-L-A-N-D-E-C-K dot com. And then you can send me a message from there and I'd love to hear from anybody. Questions, feedback, all the things. It's all it's all exciting and it's part of the learning journey. So thanks so much.

Claude F 30:49

Ronnie, it was so insightful and thinking about the source, also that little voice that you you need to amplify.

Closing Reminders And Community

Jess K 30:57

That's right. So the work besties, if this episode resonated with you, share the episode. Um, and please like and subscribe. Uh member, whether you're swapping snacks in the break room, rescuing each other from endless meetings, or just sending that perfectly timed meme. Having a work bestie is like having your own personal hype squad.

Claude F 31:19

So keep lifting each other up, laughing through the chaos, and of course, thriving. Until next time, stay positive, stay productive, and don't forget to keep supporting each other.

Jess K 31:32

Work bestie.