54. Waffle House Hustle, Universe 25 Experiment, D.B. Cooper Who? And More

We set a new two‑a‑week plan, share a Valentine’s date at Waffle House that turns into a masterclass in urgency, and unpack Universe 25 to ask why abundance alone can’t keep a society alive. Heavy news gets a pause while we focus on what actually holds a community together.

• why we’re spacing releases to avoid stale takes
• lessons from watching Waffle House teamwork up close
• tipping quirks and friction in small systems
• media throttling claims and why we wait on fast news
• Santa in February and the pull of habit
• Universe 25 setup, findings, and limits
• personal space, social roles, and behavioral sink
• lifespan context and why design still matters
• teasing a future DB Cooper deep dive
• loss, health costs, and life when plans collapse

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Welcome back, episode fifty-four. Amanda's supposed to do all the talking on this episode. So here she is.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

I'm not doing all the talking. I don't ever talk. Six years.

Why We’re Not Covering Fast-Moving News

SPEAKER_00 0:33

What we had planned on, or what the plan is, is to uh drop two episodes a week. Um, so there's gonna be a little bit of a say five, six days, you know, from when we record to when it releases. And we talked about, you know, the Nancy Guthrie case that's going on right now.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

You say we have talked about it?

SPEAKER_00 0:51

No.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

You know, me and you know what's going on. That's what I'm saying. And so as much as we would like to like dig into that right there, it would be like from when we start recording this six days from now, when this episode releases, a lot will happen. Right. So we know that's going on. Yeah, but that's just a horrible story. But um, yeah. I know one thing that we'll get into here in a minute is I'd I told you, I'd promised you I was gonna do that. Rats. Yeah, at that spirit experiment. It was actually a universe twenty-five experiment about rats. And so we'll talk about that here in a little bit too. Just because I said I was gonna do it, and so we're gonna do it.

Warm Alabama Weather And Valentine’s

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Since when do you do what you say?

SPEAKER_00 1:31

I don't know. We've hit a uh warm spell here in Alabama.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Well, why am I sitting here in sweat clothes?

SPEAKER_00 1:36

I don't really know.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Because it's cold in the house.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

It is cold in the house.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

It's warmer outside than it is in the house.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

So we're no longer having the teens and twenties, you know, it's a little bit. I think they'll come back. Yeah, I'm yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

But we're only in February, halfway through February.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

So, like the coldest this week was like 38 at night. But it we're getting into the 60s and I think 70s coming up this week, so that's your kind of weather to work in, isn't it? That is, that is. So we're actually recording this work. I'm gonna give you the date. We're recording this on a Saturday on the 14th. By me saying that. Happy Valentine's Day, Amanda.

Waffle House Front-Row Lessons

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Happy Valentine's Day. I already gave you your present.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Um she took me to Waffle House. Which was great. And by the way, and I'd forgot about that. That was something we can talk about, is I am so impressed. We sat at the I guess you'd say at the counter. I was gonna say at the bar, but it's a the counter.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Yeah, it's not a bar.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Yeah. Um, and really I watched everyone that cooked and whoever whatever they were doing, I just it was intense. The whole time we were there, seeing how they call the orders, who's cooking what. You know, one guy was in charge of uh pancakes. Brank. No, excuse me, waffles. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

We went to the waffle house.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

So that he's in charge of waffles, he's in charge of hash browns, he's in charge of he didn't do the eggs, did he?

SPEAKER_01 3:04

He did do the eggs before the other guy came back, and that girl stood in the middle doing the eggs. Okay. He did do a few of 'em. Okay. I guess you have to um take up the slack when somebody goes on break or if somebody wasn't there yet. There was no shift change or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

There was no small talk or anything like that when while they were working. They were working hard. You have to have a sense of urgency to have that job. I'm not saying that other jobs you don't have to have that, but what I saw today, just regular, you know, I think I'm too old for it. It's too much of a hassle for me.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

I can't listen. I want to listen to everybody, not the one calling out the quarter and two or three of them that were older.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

Yeah, that's true. But I'm sure that's something they've done all their life and they've just they've got that. That's how they live their life. They're just like, you know, they walk fast. You know people that you know that will get something done, like they're always busy, they're always at the cleaning. Like you. Or they're always, you know, they just walk fast from here to there, you know, just getting stuff done. And that's the type of job that uh these people would have. It takes that. You can't just be a slow roller and go in there and expect to get it done. You get behind real quick. So that was interesting. I hadn't ate at Waffle House in several years, um, simply because of the how bad the parking is.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Our Waffle House parking is horrible.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Yeah, we've got two in our town.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Now we have two.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah, one of them is on the main interstate, and that's the one we went to, but it is like that parking was horrible too. Oh yeah, and then like the bread man comes into the car, and he blocked like eight cars and there's nothing he can do. He just pulls straight in and he you're blocked. He didn't have an option. You don't have an option.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

Get out my way.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

And he was there a long time. He was there the whole time we were there.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Yeah, he pulled in right when we got out of our car going into there. And he was still there when we left, but he was over there chit-chatting.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Well, he had just walked out right before you did, so it wasn't like he'd been out there talking. So he'd been there an hour. Because I figure that's how long we're there.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

I don't have a clue. But that's they were busy and I thought it'd take a while to get our food, but it wasn't bad at all.

Tipping Quirks And Cashless Moments

SPEAKER_00 5:09

I I have no complaints whatsoever. The only complaint I would have is that they wash the dishes facing us underneath the counter, and they get a little reckless sometimes and then a splatter comes up there on the counter close to where my food was. That was a little odd. I mean, I guess I've just never realized that. I don't know if maybe that's the only one.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

I don't think we've ever sat there.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Well, I don't know if if all Waffle House are designed exactly the same.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

I'm sure they're almost But that's where their wash station was.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

That's where it was today. I guess they were washing them. And also the other thing is is when you pay, you've got to know we didn't know this un until Amanda asked, but to leave a tip, you you put the amount that you want to leave the tip in first before you ever do anything else.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Before you put your card in there. I would have never done that. I know. If I hadn't asked, I would have put my card in there and then said, Do I add the tip?

SPEAKER_00 6:00

And she was even saying that they have it's not complaints, but everybody has some kind of issue because they're trying to put their pen number in before they even know anything else to do. You know, and you've already bypassed the tip part.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

Yep. So So at the Waffle House, if you're given a tip, we usually leave cash for our tip. Yeah. But we didn't have I never have cash.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Today was a non-cash day for me.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

And Jody didn't have cash.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

I was out of my element. I didn't know I didn't even have my wallet. Well, I had my wallet in the car. I mean, I didn't even bring it in. I don't know why I didn't even bring it in.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I don't know either. Why did I have to pay? It's Valentine's Day. You're supposed to buy mine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

And she just thought she was sticking me with the bill. I'm talking about the waitress. Because she made a point.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

She did. She said, make sure he pays for it. Yeah, and didn't want to be able to do it. Well, he did. I used his card, so there you go.

Heavy Headlines And Media Throttling

SPEAKER_00 6:50

All right. Other than that, what else? Uh I still think about that Nancy Guthrie thing, though. That is so it is horrible. You know, it it is one of those things that every hour I'm checking my phone, or now that it this is a Saturday, you know, you want to go turn the TV on and see if there's an update.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

You know, where are they at another house, you know, searching.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

Between that and the Epstein Falls, that's all we're hearing. Epstein.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Yeah. And now on some sites, like they're saying on YouTube, some of these uh influencers are saying you can't say Epstein without being throttled down by YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Really?

SPEAKER_00 7:28

So they should tell you something right there. So this wor this if this doesn't prove that the that the world is controlled by just the few, I mean, I don't know what else to say. Because this thing right here, everybody should be a left, right. And when I say that, Republican, Democrat, you're in the middle, you're libertarian, whoever you are, independent, everybody. If you're not an evil person, you should we all should be on the same page and want to get down to the bottom of this and let whoever's head needs to roll, roll. Let it roll. It don't matter. Or the guy that lives in a shack down the street. If you did something wrong, we're gonna take you down. Right?

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

And they and if you don't feel that way about it, I don't understand you. So but all this is just pure evil. But I don't know. I don't think we'll ever we'll ever get to the bottom of the street. I don't think so. I don't think there's no way there's over three million more emails or five, not emails, but files, they're not ever gonna drop.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

But the thing I just saw was the Life Touch.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Yeah, explain what that was I didn't know what you meant.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Life Touch is the people that takes pictures at the schools. That's the a company. And contracted out by the So supposedly what did I say? Epstein owns those?

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Or that company that was.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Associated somehow. I don't have all those facts, so I can't go too much into it. But it did say that they they have I mean, you know, when you do school pictures, they get your address. They have these pictures of these kids, you know? So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Look, the innocent, we're we are supposed to protect the innocent.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Homeschool sounds better and better all the time. I'm glad mine's not in school like that anymore.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

And kids can't protect.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

You hear me?

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Kids can't protect themselves.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Oh yeah, no way.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

And who's supposed to protect them? We are. So horrible. It's horrible. We've got our uh two dogs in here. We've uh we've actually left the door open to our podcast room because our son isn't here. So we're not really worried, uh which he gets to be bop whole many times now. I don't think so. So we thought, well, we've let the dogs in here and I threw a little blanket on the ground for Cocoa. I thought, well, instead of her having her little bed in here, maybe she'll just get on it. And right now she is wallering all in. She is not accomplishing a thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Nothing. She ain't doing nothing. But I've never seen a dog. She's trying to cover up.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

She will. If it takes her five minutes, she's gonna figure out how to get that cover up over her body. And then if you didn't know it, you would think they're just covering the floor. You would never know. You wouldn't know a dog was under anything. She's she is just a digging.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

I don't know what she's doing. Oh she hit the table, it scared her.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

She don't like it. All right. She gave up. And then Winston's just laying in the chair right here next to me. He's fine. She's a goofball.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

How rude.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

All right, tell us your rat story.

Santa In February And Late Decor

SPEAKER_00 10:41

What know what when we went into the date that we're recording this right here is we're gonna go back into real quick. I know we've harped on this for over a year, or I always come back to this, but Christmas decorations. Amanda wants to do you wanna just just for a second mention what you saw yesterday or within the last couple of days at a house.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Now, this is what what's the Us being as old as we are, February 13th. We're just riding around because we're listening to Megan Kelly.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Megan Kelly Podcast. Podcast to find out about the exclusive stuff about that.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

And so I'm like, you can get to our house a couple of different ways. So we went the long I call it the long way.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

But you know what I say? Every road leads everywhere. Yeah. You can get there. You can take any road to get wherever.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

So we went the long way, and I'm driving down the road, and I think I see Santa Claus to my left, and I look back real quick, and sure enough, there is a full size. Statue? You call it a statue.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

What is it uh you know how Home Depot has gotten really hot and heavy on Halloween?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

It wasn't a blow-up thing.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

I know, but uh animatronic type thing. Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

Like a nutcracker, like the nutcrackers.

Dogs, Open Door, And Home Vibes

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Yeah, but it realistically.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

But yes. I really want to go back by there.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

I mean, what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 12:04

We're gonna take a picture and we're gonna put it out there.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

We're gonna So we're and the funny thing about it was the lady was walking right by. She'd like gotten out of her door to like go in her house when we were going by and like you're walking by this every day.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Maybe it was a prank. I think we go back and it's not there. I think it was a prank.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

There's no way.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

There's no way it is February the 14th and your Santa is still out. Right. Why? So when we Your tree, I don't mind. I like the lights if no decorations are on it. If you want to decorate it for all the seasons, that's fine too.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Let's not go back into all this rehash it again. Well hell. But let but let I do want to say this is on the last episode, or not the last, but episode 52, when we were talking about I was giving grace to these people. I'm giving them the month of January. You know, it used to be, hey, the first week of January, get your get your Christmas stuff out, you know, put up and done. Now I'm giving you the whole month of January. Well, we did not release that episode right when we had recorded it. So it really sounded like.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Because the computer messed up, didn't it?

SPEAKER_00 13:11

We could release our computer issue. And so guess what? We can't download everything and I can't do everything on the So that's why it's been a little while. So when it c when that episode came out, it makes it sound like because we mentioned about we still had our had our tree up. We did not have our tree up in the you know, as of like the 8th of February.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Oh no, it was down by the end of January.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Yeah. So just saying. So I just wanted to make sure we we threw that out there. But hey, we still got a neighbor that's got his Christmas up.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

But I did want to take it down before Jody this time, and that never happens.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Well, I we mean you see, we're I feel like we're going back old stuff.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

We already talked about it. Yeah. I don't remember what we talked about.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

It's about I feel like since we didn't put decorations on this year, it's almost like it's fine. It's just a tree. It's got lights on it. I used the light because I love the way it looks and you don't have to have any other light on. Yeah. What do you call it? Ambient. The ambient light. So yeah. But anyway, so yeah, our neighbor still has the Christmas tree. But he didn't put Santa up this year. I think I think he got wind of our complaints about the blow-up Santa Claus. Oh, I don't think. That was up like till March last year. Yeah, it didn't come out this year. But the lights are still on in the basement or in the first level. I see Christmas trees on and that's cool. That's cool. I'm just saying. If you're walking by it every day and I see you sitting on the couch and you're not doing anything, well, I got a problem. You got time. If you're busy, it might be a little different.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

If you're walking by it every day and it's outside and you're passing it, you can't just drag it and bring it in the house with you.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

Or your garbage can.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

That's another story. That's another story, ain't it?

SPEAKER_00 14:46

I've never seen anybody's garbage can that just stays at the mailbox 365 days a year. Never gets brought in and out, in and out, in and out. That doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. Alright, what do you want to talk about? Do you want to talk about this uh experiment or universe 25 experiment?

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Alright, I told y'all, oh I'm gonna read this. This is gonna be TS Digest is a news article. I have read several articles on this, but I just picked this one kind of quick and uh I'm gonna read it and let you know. But it's basically gonna be like um they just did an experiment to see like if rats are in a small confined area, and when I say confined, not like a box, but a big enough area, you know, socially as the population grows, what's gonna happen? So they're using this as like uh as an example of what would happen if humans were uh let's say, let's put a bunch of us in a trailer park.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

And didn't we do that with Big Brother?

SPEAKER_00 15:46

That's kind of yeah, kinda. But you don't keep adding people. You can start taking people away in Big Brother. Yeah, true. This right here, I'm just saying, like, if we had a trailer park and we start adding another trailer, we'll go back. I gotcha, I gotcha. What eventually you think is gonna happen? Some heads are gonna butt, stuff like that?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

You think?

SPEAKER_00 16:02

I think so. All right, like I said, it's called a uh universe twenty-five experiment. A series of rodent experiments show that even with abundant food and water, personal space is essential to prevent societal collapse. But universe twenty-five's revalence to humans remains disputed. June twenty second, nineteen seventy two, neither one of us was born by then. I mean, we were still I was six years away. You were a little bit further away. John Calhoun stood over the abandoned husk of what had once been a thriving metropolis of thousands. Now this is a container, I'm gonna say if it's like let's say a ten by ten room. Or it's like a ten by ten with walls, and this thing's got uh, you know, plenty of food, it's got bedding, it's got water trough things for all for the rats. Uh it's got everything they need. But anyway, now the population had dwindled to just 122, and soon even those inhabitants would be dead. Calhoun wasn't the survivor of a national or natural disaster or nuclear meltdown, rather he was a researcher at the National Institute of Mental Health conducting an experiment into the effects of overcrowding on mouse behavior. The results laid bare at his feet had taken years to play out. In 1968, Calhoun had started the experiment by introducing four mouse couples into a specially designed pen.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

How you know the couples?

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Uh they uh matched them up. Oh, okay. Yeah. Uh they've got a uh uh it's called rat tender. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

So they go on the website?

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Yeah, they match them up. Okay, once they've made a match, they uh put them in this little confined area. Uh so this uh design pen is uh like a rodent garden of Eden with numerous apartments, abundant nesting supplies, and unlimited food and water. Sounds good, does it not?

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

I mean everything's supplied for you. Uh the only scarce resource in this microcosm was physical space, and Calhoun sp uh suspected that it was only a matter of time before this causes trouble in paradise. Calhoun had been running similar experiments with rodents for decades, but had always had to end them prematurely, ironically because of laboratory space constraints. Let's say as he had anticipated, then the utopia became hellish nearly a year in when the population density began to peak, and when population growth abruptly and dramatically slowed, animals became increasingly violent, developed abnormal sexual behaviors, and began neglecting or even a attacking their own pups. That is really loud.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

What that's not me. That's you.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

What is that?

SPEAKER_01 18:59

I don't know. That's not me.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

What is going on?

SPEAKER_01 19:05

You big goofball, you're trying to blame it on me. And it's it's on you. A video came up on the article you're reading.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

It sure did.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

You goof us.

Behavioral Sink And Social Collapse

SPEAKER_00 19:16

How about that? So where was I at? Okay, on the part where they even started attacking their own pups, meaning their kids. So eventually, Universe 25 took another disturbing turn. Mice born into the chaos couldn't form normal social bonds or engage in complex social behaviors such as courtship, mating, and pup rearing. Instead of interacting with their peers, males compulsively groomed themselves, females stopped getting pregnant, they became trapped in an infantile state of early development. Even when removed from universe twenty-five and introduced to normal mice, uh ultimately the colony died out. There's no recovery. Uh, that's what was so shocking to Calhoun. Alright, so if you're looking back at the experiment with present-day scientific perspective, the limits of its interpretations are evident. The research was largely ob observational and uh subjective. Calhoun described his study as not normal science, referring to it instead as an observation and reconstruction of a process. So I needed the one that has all the numbers. They told you uh the Why'd he want to do this? He's into all that. You got these people that want to know stuff. Let me see if I can find Let me do experiment twenty let me ask Chat GPT to just give me the facts. Alright, so it said rapid population boom, starting with four uh pairs, which is eight mice. Population doubled every 55 days.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Good night.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

So and then it peaked at about 2200 mice. So that's 2,200 mice for those that don't know what 2200 is. Uh at first everything looked successful. And then the the the social breakdown, aggression rose, mothers neglected young, infant mortality increased, uh, social roles collapsed. Um I I did see one where they said that uh they kept to themselves they weren't being sociable at all. Some male mice withdrew completely, avoiding fighting and mating, spent time grooming and eating, and they stopped participating in social society altogether. Uh reproduction eventually stopped. Despite food and space still being available, mating declined, birth rate dropped to zero, the colony aged and died out. The last m mouse died in 1973. So the behavioral sink concept. Calhoun coined the term behavioral sink, the collapse of social behaviors due to overcrowding and stress. He suggested Parallels to human urban overcrowding, though many scientists caution against directly applying the results to human society. Why it's still discussed today? Why is Jody talking about this on a podcast in 2026? Uh universe 25 is often re referenced in uh urbanization debates, population density discussion, social isolation research, online culture commentary, say all that really fast. However, modern researchers argue mice does not equal humans, and that's true. The enclosure was artificial, that's also true, and human societies are far more complex, that is also true.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

So what'd he learn?

Lifespan, Limits, And Takeaways

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Uh basically, if you give people everything they need to survive, they uh can't handle it once you if if you get in a it it is the same thing if like a crowded house. If you have people move into your house and maybe a few more move in and some at some point you hit your boiling point, you're like, I can't take this anymore, you know? Yeah. So everybody I think but bottom line, everybody needs their space.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

I think that's why in your inner cities and stuff like that you have more crime and stuff like that, because everybody's living on top of one another. You get out here in the country, oh you gotta worry about some meth heads.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Really?

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Yeah. Really? So Coco, I heard Coco our alarm out there starting to bark. But they do is that not kind of neat though? You you gave them everything they needed and they couldn't they couldn't survive? I guess. Everybody aged out and they died. So how old do rats get? How old do rats get? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Ask uh I mean, because how uh how long did was he talking about it or whatever?

SPEAKER_00 23:49

He was he was doing was it three years? They all died out in 73. And it started what year did I say it started?

SPEAKER_01 23:57

I don't know because I wasn't listening. You lost me.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Well he did all this in the early 60s and 70s, but I thought 70. I don't know. Silence. But it it yeah, it doubled. The funny thing it doubled every 55 days, their population.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

That's fast.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

And then got up to 2200. Universe 25 began on July 9th, 1968. So five years. So, uh let's see. Yep, the experiment then ran for nearly five years, ending in 1973 when the last mouse died.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

So they quit producing.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Yeah, they just stopped because they got old. No, no, no, no. It they stopped neglecting like when the females had their posts.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

They just neglected 'em. So they just started taking stopped taking care of one another and just kind of abandoned society. They didn't participate in anything.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

I feel like that sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Yeah. I don't mind not participating in society myself. But that's just me. So you want to know how long do mice live? Sure. Well, I didn't ask for pictures. Average lifespan six to twelve months. If you survive past one year, main causes of death, predators, disease, weather, food scarcity. Well, that would do it. I mean, but you could say that with any animal. What's the main causes for fill in the blank?

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Predators.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Well, predators. Uh probably disease. Maybe the weather. Maybe they can't find food. Yeah. Some live up to three years in ideal conditions. So their lifespan increases from one and a half to two years if they've got the ideal conditions. So you've taken out the predator, right? You've taken out the food scarcity, so they're not gonna die from starvation. There's still possibility of the state. So they're your pet. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Yes. Negative.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

So you're basically well, I'm I'm saying this is why maybe they live longer in that contraption he had, because you've taken elements of what's gonna kill you. Yeah, they didn't have an owl and or a hawk on standby waiting to swoop down and get them. Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

So I know. Well So you got your rat story in.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

That's right. Well, I just did it because I promised that, you know, I've I have.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

I'm sure they've been waiting on it. I think they've been sitting on the edge of their chairs.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Well, they should be. If if not, they looked it up before I had a chance to tell them about it.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

I bet they did that because they didn't like waiting on it.

Teasing DB Cooper And Misconceptions

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Oh, you just wait next week, DB Cooper.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

No, we ain't.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Without Amanda.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

You might get an episode or two with Jody and no Amanda.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Yeah, if I go if I do DB Cooper, it'll be several part series unless we do like a three-hour.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

That's an absolute negative.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Yeah. I like DB Cooper. Otherwise known as Dan.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

You like DB Cooper?

SPEAKER_00 26:43

I like the story.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

You like the story?

SPEAKER_00 26:46

Yes. Who doesn't like the story of DB Cooper? You don't know the story. I do.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

He killed people.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

No, see? You don't even you ain't got a clue who he is then. I am talking to you live in a mouse society. You're I you've isolated yourself from everyone. DB Cooper hijacked an aircraft.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

Yeah, I see.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

And was just trying to get money.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Yeah, he stole stuff. He was a criminal.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

What'd he do? What else?

SPEAKER_01 27:13

He robbed the banks.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

He didn't rob banks. He was on an airplane and he's asking for money.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Then he jumped out the back and they don't know if he survived or not.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

There's been that's why they're so And we watched that show about his cigarettes or something. Did they find the cigarette butts?

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Yeah, you know, they were looking for cigarette butts, all kinds of stuff. Uh they found money, you know, dug into one of the banks, you know, where it's supposedly where he may have landed. They found uh a placard off the back of the stairs when the stairs came down on their plane. Look, I'm telling you all this stuff. He knew, but he knew to tell to keep the flaps down. He told the pilots to keep the flaps down the second time they took off and to stay at a certain level. That way he knew there'd be enough drag they couldn't go a certain speed to where it's safe enough to jump out. If you want to jump out in the the middle of the night into the like Washington wilderness and can't see where the ground is or anything, plus it was frigid condition, so that alone um it makes me cold just thinking about it. I'm cold right now. I don't think you could survive it. But anyway, there's a lot more to this story, but yeah, it's very interesting. The most interesting part that I found about it, which uh you're gonna think is dumb, but the night the guy wrote on is it's Dan Cooper. The whole thing is Dan Cooper, not D.B. it's Dan. They misunderstood, they thought when they when the cops had told them that it, you know, when they said Dan Cooper, one of the reporters mistook it as D.B. Cooper. And so when they wrote the story it was D B and it never changed. It's been D B ever since, but it's actually Dan Cooper.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

I bet that made him mad. They gave him a new name.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

They did. I like DB better though.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

DB's cooler.

Loss, Health Costs, And Band Life

SPEAKER_00 28:59

If I told you Dan, you you know about Dan Cooper? It'd be like, didn't he live three houses down? Then they move away. Speaking of that, three houses down, three doors down, the lead singer passed away. That was sad.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Oh my goodness, and Dawson's Creek, dude.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Look, and it's hitting home with me because it's all my age.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

And the three doors down guy, I just started watching a bunch of videos and everything, and uh he, you know, had a alcohol problem, and then he, you know, from understanding got saved, found Jesus, um, turned his life around, and then there was no, you know, hey, he started getting a little sick. It was just like he had some issues and bam, they found out he had stage four, you know, cancer. So, you know. Wow. And that well, think about this. If and not to be selfish, but if you're in a band and your lead singer is, hey, we're gonna have a uh a a band meeting and comes to you and says, Hey, I've been diagnosed with stage four cancer, you know, I basic you know, it's a death sentence. Uh we've got a tour lined up, now we're canceling, so no money's coming in for the guys. And as a band member, not like I said, it's can't sound selfish, but realistically you've got to think. I this is all I've done my whole life. I've been in this band. Now my front the the front man's gonna be, you know, we don't know when, but he's gonna pass away. The band's probably not gonna go on. What do you do for a living?

SPEAKER_01 30:33

You find something.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

And then Dawson's Creek, dude.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Why can I not think of his name? Venderbeat. Venderbeat?

SPEAKER_00 30:42

James.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

James. And then I seen the story where he where His wife?

SPEAKER_00 30:49

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

They have like six kids, but they have a GoFundMe too because they were almost out of money because of the um cancer treatments and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Yeah, I I heard part of it Tre treatment should not be so much.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

It yeah, less don't even go there.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

I'm just, you know, the Did you put that out there right when he passed? I don't know. Because the way I'd read it, it made it sound like all of a sudden you're just saying, hey, to to continue our kids' education and to be able to do other, you know, appreciate the one I saw it said to keep our house. Yeah, that was part of it too. And I thought maybe that was a little quick. I don't know that to be, and I'm not I don't want to be judgmental or anything like that. Surely that didn't come out that quick because I would think people in their in the goodness of humanity, you're gonna have close friends.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Who knows if they even started it if somebody else didn't start it?

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Yeah, that's gonna take care of, you know, this is this is a discussion you've had. If you've got that, you know, you know, you know, maybe I've got six months from now. This is a discussion you've had with your family and close friends, you know. What what how are we gonna do this when I'm gone? You know, how are we gonna keep y'all's life going? It's not just like, oh, we're gonna set up a GoFundMe and hope for the best. All right. No, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Best of luck to all of them though. I hate that.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

Yep. Alright.

Wrap-Up And Two-A-Week Goal

SPEAKER_00 32:15

All right, we've been on here long enough. Uh, check us out. We're gonna try and do two a week now. Uh this one will come out on a Thursday, as long as everything goes good. For a computer doesn't go down again. But I could use that as an excuse. You know what? That could be a good excuse when I if I don't drop an episode of that dog on computer issues again. All right, we appreciate you listening, and we will check you out next time. Peace out and love. See ya.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

Bye.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

I'm last.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Who gets the last word? Me. No me. No me. You hang up. No, you hang up, you hang up, no you hang up.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

Bah, no me.