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Salty Podcast #58 | Sailing Oregon to Hawaii ➡️🌺: @Sailing_with_Phoenix Prepares to Cross the Pacific ⛵🐾🌊

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Oliver from Sailing Phoenix returns for a live update before he sets sail on one of the biggest adventures of his life—a solo(ish) crossing from Oregon to Hawaii with his trusty crewmate, Phoenix the cat.

Since our last chat in November 2024, Oliver has been hard at work making critical repairs and upgrades to his sailboat to get it ocean-ready for the journey ahead. In this episode, we dive into:

  • What’s been fixed, changed, and overhauled since November  

  • The reality of preparing a boat for offshore sailing  

  • His route planning and timeline  

  • How he’s balancing preparation with anticipation  

  • What it’s like having a cat aboard for such a big crossing  

  • The emotional and mental prep involved in solo passagemaking

This is a raw and honest conversation about what it really takes to make a Pacific crossing—from one sailor to another.

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Captain Tinsley:

Hello everybody, tonight we're catching up with Oliver from Sailing with Phoenix, and that was the wrong cover. That was on the countdown there, so don't pay attention to that. That was last week and Oliver's got big news in just over two weeks he's set to sail from Oregon to Hawaii with his cat, phoenix Award, of course, and since we spoke last November, oliver's left his job. He left a job and has been working nonstop to get his boat ready for his for this Pacific Pacific crossing. He's tackled everything from unexpected repairs to crucial upgrades and he's here to share about those things, what is planned for the next couple of weeks when he makes this crossing, and as well as the plan for the crossing itself.

Captain Tinsley:

This episode is for anyone dreaming of going ashore, wondering what it really takes or just needing a dose of honest, salty inspiration. But first, please like, subscribe and share this video and help out the channel, and also please drop your comments in the live chat so Oliver can answer your questions in real time. I'm Captain Tinsley of Salty Abandoned and Island Packet 320 Sailboat and this is the Salty Podcast, episode 58. Let's get into it, hello Oliver.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Hey, how's it going? Welcome back. Yeah, thanks for having me back.

Captain Tinsley:

Tick, tock, it's coming. Yeah, are you excited?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I'm beyond excited. I can't wait. It's like the night before Christmas, for you know, it's been like the night before Christmas for like five months.

Captain Tinsley:

I know it's the night before the night before the night before the night before Christmas Erica says hey, oliver, I guess you know who, or maybe? She's one of your followers.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, thanks for coming.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, okay, so last we talked, you know you had like six months or something, and so I'm sure a lot's changed. I've kind of caught up a little bit on your videos, but let's talk. We're going to talk about three topics, but the first one I want to cover is plans for the next two weeks. So it's 15 days, is it? Is it 15, 16?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

days yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, wow, that's coming up. So what do you have to do is crunch time, so what do? You have to do over the next two weeks.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It's. I have to provision, I have to completely organize the boat, like I have to unpack the boat completely and then repack it, and right now I've I've not been on shore power for like six days now. I'm just running everything and just seeing how it how it goes and messing with the solar, and and then I've got a few little things I still have to do, which I I still haven't, like put anything in a list or anything. I'm just this whole process. I've just been firing from the hip and winging it but off the top of my head, like my dc ampers thing. I have to. I've got a new one in order.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I have to change out because I melted it, um, because I uh, it's only a 50 amp thing and I ran the microwave, which is 50 amps and I turned all the lights on at the same time for some reason and uh, it just like melted the back of it.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It still works, but I'm uh gonna replace that yeah, dc is gonna be important yeah, I'll have a hundred, a hundred amp or 150 amp or 100 amp, I can't remember what I got, but that shouldn't. I'm not gonna use the microwave but just put a new one in there and then, um, uh, I gotta tie down my life raft mean. There's a few things, just little things.

Captain Tinsley:

The big one. That's a big one that you're going to unpack everything, kind of like when you get a new boat. Unpack everything and don't put anything back on the boat you don't need.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I know. It's hard to know what's all there that I think I'll be throwing away. But yeah, that's going to be a challenge for sure. But yeah, that's kind of it, and then kind of just continue to monitor the weather, because it's not looking good right now on like May 1st.

Captain Tinsley:

On that date.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I don't know that I'll be leaving May 1st because, according to predict winds right now, it, uh, it's all gonna be like just headwind for all the way down the coast. So, um, yeah, I'm not gonna. I'm I don't know, we'll see.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I'll just keep monitoring it and it looks like what you're, I'm gonna go out the bar and then I'm gonna hang, hang left and try and because I'll get like 100 miles offshore, and then I'll try and follow the trade winds, as long as it's like one constant flow, but I might, I don't know, I'll route as I'm there, as I'm doing it, depending on the winds.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, and you? You said that you have um what? What's the name of the device you have? Again, iridium Go.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I've got an Iridium, go and Starlink. Oh, you do have Starlink yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, okay, all right, but you don't have an inReach.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, which is basically the Iridium Go. Are you going to have an inreach? No, which is basically the iridium go.

Captain Tinsley:

Are you gonna have starlink on going across? Yeah, are you gonna have that package on yeah, yeah okay, all right. Yeah, I'd love to track you, so we gotta figure that out.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, and I'll do some like oh, he's here now I'll I'll uh, I'll, send you the, the link to it, because I know how to send it individually to people, right? I don't know how to do how I'll do it so that everybody could see it. That's kind of sketchy when you do that I used to do that, so good luck trying to get me there might be Well, you're right, but still, you know you got a lot of followers. Yeah, ok, so you got a lot of followers.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, okay, so that answers your giving yourself a hard departure date or staying flexible with the weather. You answered that Provisioning I need to be ready.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

My goal is to just be unpacked. I am ready to go May 1st at the drop of a hat. Are you still in the?

Captain Tinsley:

marina, yeah, I'm in the marina. But you're just kind of checking all your systems out. Yeah being okay, are you still?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

you're in the marina, you just unplugged uh well, I just did a couple nights at anchor and then came back and still haven't, uh, plugged in, just to just that's good everything yeah, that's smart.

Captain Tinsley:

Do it right there where it's safe, and then just turn everything on yeah unplug and turn everything on and see how long it lasts.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

And it gets crazy windy here and the boat rocks like crazy. It's almost like I'm at anchor, so it kind of simulates it. I guess a little bit.

Captain Tinsley:

Special meals, any routines for the crossing, any kind of trying to how to keep your mind busy, or you can be listening to audio books or anything.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Uh, I, I don't have a problem keeping my mind busy, Um, and I haven't. I've got a couple of books. I don't, I don't read, but I do have books and I'm hoping that I, uh, I read them. Uh, hopefully I get bored enough to read them. That's what it'll take.

Captain Tinsley:

What about audiobooks?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I don't know, I don't want to deal with the downloading and all that stuff On your phone. Yeah, I just, I don't know. You have to buy a thing, and you know.

Captain Tinsley:

I don't know. 30 days, man, that's a long time. You could be about 15 days in and you go. Damn, I should have listened to Tinsley.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I know.

Captain Tinsley:

I need something to read or listen to.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, what about music? No, wow, just you and.

Captain Tinsley:

God yeah.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

That's cool, me and my cat and I'm going to yeah, I don't know, I haven't really thought about it. I, I don't. And as far as the music thing, I'd rather be just like, totally like I didn't want to bring Starlink originally. I ended up bringing it because I do want to kind of like well, a lot of people have like supported me, so I wanted to like give back in a way so that people could, you know, follow the journey and stuff, and I do also want to make social media a career out of it. So I figured it's probably just a good decision just to get Starlink.

Captain Tinsley:

Sure. So you'll be posting on the trip.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, as long as it works.

Captain Tinsley:

I don't really know how well it works offshore, but as long as it's working, yeah okay, yeah, I know that you have to have a, a different package, um for 40 miles offshore yeah okay, um, y'all, if y'all want to have any.

Captain Tinsley:

y'all have any questions for for oliver? Please drop them in the live chat. You've got quite a few people watching on Instagram. That's where your people are. Okay, so the crossing itself Are you mentally preparing for the solitude and pace of passage life? That doesn't sound like it's going to be a problem for you.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, I've literally spent the last four months completely isolated.

Captain Tinsley:

Like you have been on social media.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I've been on social media, but that's not the. That's not like I don't know. I think I'll be. I'll be okay, Like I'm comfortable with my own thoughts alone, I like it I like it, I like it, I like it, I like it, and uh, uh, yeah.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

so if I don't have social media, for whatever reason, if the thing doesn't work, um yeah, I'm I. The whole this last four months has been like the test as to whether or not I can. I literally haven't talked to anyone for four months at all. So it's uh, you know, other than yeah, other than like going to a store talking to the guys at like other than yeah, other than like going to a store talking to the guys at like england marine or something, but you know friends, family, anybody saying don't do it uh, yeah, some, some followers, some sailors oh really yeah, I get all ends of the spectrum yeah you're gonna be fine, other people going, you're gonna you're crazy

Captain Tinsley:

you know, yeah, all right, well, um how's, but I'm this. I got a couple of kitty questions because I have three, three cats and, like I told you before we went online, I'm gonna be traveling with them. So how is phoenix handling all the all the prep chaos? And does she know something big's coming, uh.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I don't know, I don't know if she knows she might, she might pick up on it, but she's doing okay. Um, she, when it gets like rough out, she just goes on my bed and just curls up and just lays there and uh, that's what she does in general anyway. So I get it's fine. And anytime I take the boat out, I give her her favorite foods, just to like give her the. You know, it's a good thing that we're taking the boat out, um, and and and. Then anytime we get back as well, I do the same thing. But uh, yeah, she's, she's. Uh, I think she'll be, she'll be fine.

Captain Tinsley:

Do you think um? I've heard people say that cats can well, dogs too can get seasick.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, she's gotten seasick once before. She did not since then. Not, it was like the first time I took her out.

Captain Tinsley:

Oh is rough, or just, or was it rough?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Well, it wasn't overly rough. I just don't think she was used to the motion. But uh, uh she. Yeah, she hasn't been seasick since.

Captain Tinsley:

How long you've been on the boat with her.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

A year now, exactly Pretty much.

Captain Tinsley:

Oh yeah, yeah, she's had time to get used to it. Get used to the motion. Um, we talked about some ways you made the boat safer, more comfortable for her during the crossing. Can you talk about that?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Uh, yeah. So I just, uh, I set up the nets around the side of the boat, um, so that you know there's just there to catch her if she slips, um. But for the passage I'm not going to let her out unless it's like really calm, you know, and I'm like fully there and alert Um. But for the passage I'm not going to let her out unless it's like really calm, you know, and I'm like fully there and alert Um, like if I let her out it'd be with the intention of letting her out and that would be my focus.

Captain Tinsley:

Right.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

But it's just, you know, I know it sucks to have her in the boat for for that long, but it's just. It's not worth the risk having her guts because I can't get her to wear a life jacket or or, or a harness or anything I've tried for like I tried to walk her for years. I spent like three years trying to walk my cat and get a harness on her, but it wouldn't work.

Captain Tinsley:

Um so what if you put a harness on her and and then put her in the cockpit and just can't get a harness?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

on her and then put her in the cockpit. I can't get a harness on her. Oh okay, I literally can't get a harness. It's impossible. She'll spend the rest of the time. She'll find a way to get it off too.

Captain Tinsley:

Right. What if she was in the cockpit?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I won't go on and on about this, but what if?

Captain Tinsley:

she's in the cockpit and she's kind of distracted because you're out in the middle of the Pacific.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Do you think she'd?

Captain Tinsley:

still try to get it off. Yeah Well, I don't, I wouldn't be able to get it on her.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Okay, yeah, like putting a cat in a bucket? Yeah, it wouldn't be possible. Um, but yeah, you know, if she, if she gets out there, those nets up there that would catch her if she slips. Um.

Captain Tinsley:

So yeah, all right. Um, the crossing itself, your expected route. So you're gonna go. You're gonna go out, hang a left, go down and then follow the trades and I haven't looked at a map to see what the trades do right there. Uh, what do they do?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

they get it's kind of like spotty from here to california and it changes. But once you get to right around california it just it kind of just does this swooping thing directly to hawaii. So it'd be completely downwind all the way to hawaii once I get to california okay, so how far?

Captain Tinsley:

how far south is that in California?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I have no idea. I just look at the map and I kind of like see, yeah, it's right around where I need to go.

Captain Tinsley:

Copy that. How long do you think it'll take?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I don't really know. I don't know. Predict wind is, I think, wrong. It says it'll take. Like, from talking to people, most people think it'll take roughly 25 days to get there, but Predict Win says like 15 to 20. But I also I did get a new mainsail as well and the bottom's fresh paint and everything, so I'm slick and fast. So I don't know, I really don't know how long it'll actually take. Um, what do you think?

Captain Tinsley:

the average hull speed to be five, six probably five knots okay, yeah, that's what I usually plan on conservatively, yeah, um, what kind of weather? Winds are you?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

really know with these, with this new main sail. You know I had the original sails from 1991 so and I just took it out the other day and it's, you know, it's really hard to gauge compared as far as how much faster it is because of the currents at different speeds and stuff like that, but uh, um, yeah, it seems pretty fast and also also pointing in the wind. It points in the wind so much better.

Captain Tinsley:

So I don't know. Oh, with the new sail, yeah, oh, that's good. Okay, what's your biggest concern going into the crossing?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Gear, weather, fatigue. What is my biggest concern? Yeah, gear. Something catastrophic, failing that, I wouldn't be. You know, some things are going to break, I think for sure. But as far as what it is like, yeah, something if I lost all power, that would suck because I don't know how to navigate without it. But I do have a sextant and all the books on board as far as how to use it in the event that I do. But yeah, that would really suck if I lost power.

Captain Tinsley:

Well, that's not going to happen, especially since you're getting that DC charger. Yeah, was it inverter or DC? Well, that's not going to happen, especially since you're getting that DC charger.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, was it inverter or DC? What is it?

Captain Tinsley:

I've got an inverter, I'm just getting a new DC amperes thing this, oh okay, the old school one.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, okay, okay, one, yeah, okay, um, but, and I've got a uh, one part of this, one of the things that I did in in here I've got a, um, it's an electric generator so in the event that I lose power, that's gonna, that's its own battery bank and it'll be. It's at 100 charge all the time. It's routed and plugged, routed to the batteries. So I I've got a on the circuit panel, I've got a switch for specifically that, so I switch that on so it leaves it at 100 charge and if I lose all power, I still have that and that plugs into one of my. I could plug it into my solar panels, um, so I, you know I have well, would that charge your batteries?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

That? No, I don't think so.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

But it would charge my phone.

Captain Tinsley:

Oh, okay, yeah, All right, I gotcha. And you and you want to connect the, uh, the solar panels to make it it charge. Is that what you're saying?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, it can. So if I lose all power for whatever reason, I have that and it, and it can also get charged off of the solar panel. Right now it's getting charged off of my batteries, so that just maintains a hundred percent charge. Um, but if I, yeah, if I can, I have the ability to plug it into my solar if I lose power. So I'll always have that battery as long as that works. But it's kind of like a redundancy for the scenario that I lose power all right.

Captain Tinsley:

So that was kind of a negative question. How about? What do you plan on? What's the good thing you're going? You plan on getting out of this trip?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

uh, I'm just sailing out of a freaking river. You know sailing and like not being worried about hitting things, and it will be really nice to just set and then just learn the boat in a way that I've not learned about my boat before. All of my sailing has been on the river. You know which is just a. It sucks. I hate sailing on the river, so I'm just super excited to just sail is it a pretty wide river?

Captain Tinsley:

what river is it?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

uh, it's it, it's wider here, but where I was it was it's super narrow. It's the columbia river, okay, and then, like here, it's pretty wide but it's deceptive because like oh, you see water but it's, yeah, there's like, it's you, you see, you literally see like this giant thing of water, you think you could sail there, but then you see a seagull standing up. You're like, oh, that's not good, don't go there.

Captain Tinsley:

I'm pulling it up here. I think I pulled it up before. Is this it? It's between oh, that's this Salish Sea? That's not, it is it?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, it's the Columbia River in Oregon, and I'm at Astoria, I'm at the coast, oregon.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, all right, okay, all right. So, um, what about? Um, what do you think you'll get out of? It just the sense of accomplishment, or yeah, uh, this whole thing, this whole vibe you have about leaving it all behind, leaving the corporate world, the whole 401k thing yeah yeah no, that's uh, the work that I've put.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I mean, I've put put in literally for the past four or five months. It's been like seven days a week, 10 hours a day. I've been working on this boat nonstop and I went four months without sailing, just working it because I couldn't sail, because the condition the boat was in, with all the stuff I was doing to it and that has been the most difficult thing I've ever done in my life was that much work in that small amount of time. Like I basically did everything I think most people do over the course of like years. I did it in four months and that's been really cool. So, like not only did I get my boat ready to, because I could have technically, you know, I could have left pretty much right when I got the boat and sailed to Hawaii. It would have been difficult, but I could have. But my boat is ready to sail around the world, you know, to cross multiple oceans, because I'm not stopping at Hawaii. I am going to stop at Hawaii for like six months to a year.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I'm not sure yet, but around that time frame, Because I have to pay. I've done a lot of this on credit cards.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I have to pay down the credit card as quickly as possible. So I'll get to Hawaii and work and then just continue to not eat food and pay, pay down. Pay down because by the time I get there I should be in like I think I'm going a little bit over than what I anticipated, but I should be in like roughly $7,000 in credit card debt. Oh, wow, yeah, which is not that crazy. Like I, the Hydrovane was $7,000 and I paid for that in cash and I was able to save that literally eating only rice over the course of like three or four months when I was working. So I'll try and get a job in in Hawaii. I'll figure it out when.

Captain Tinsley:

I get there. I don't know, I'll figure it out. And then where are you going to go into the plan is Waikiki Harbor.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Harbor, oh cause, there's a West Marine right and there's a West Marine and like walking distance as well as a uh, there's another marine store there as well.

Captain Tinsley:

It's the only um island that has a west marine, so really, yeah, that's why I've been to a lot of the hawaiian islands and there's a lot of there's like a million people on that island yeah, it's a populated island yeah but you know, I originally wanted to get a job maui um, yeah, I think the jobs are going to be available to get there, but I originally wanted to get a job.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Maui um, yeah, I think the jobs are going to be available to get there, but I originally wanted to go to maui because I've got multiple friends that live there. Um, but it doesn't have any marine stores and it's also like much more spread out, so like you'd have to have like a car yeah, that's true um. So, uh, you could take an uber when you're in Honolulu and get anywhere. I don't have any money.

Captain Tinsley:

Well, do you have a bike?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Well, yeah, I mean I'm thinking about getting a bike, but I know they have those electric scooters. I might get a subscription to that and just scoot around everywhere.

Captain Tinsley:

I have a little boat bike. I'm looking at the Columbia River. It looks far inland. I must be looking at the wrong.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Well, it goes to, like it goes far, I don't know. It goes to Idaho.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, give me a city where it comes out into big water. Astoria is where it comes out into bigger water.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

That's the mouth Astoria. Oh, I see. Okay, that makes more sense, all right, yeah, that's a long river, so and tell me again where you are.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I'm at the mouth. I'm at the mouth of it. So I'm in Warrington.

Captain Tinsley:

Marina Okay, oh, I see Warrington. Okay, let me put this up so people can see where he is.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, right, where, basically where it's highlighted.

Captain Tinsley:

Right, Is it right here?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Right here yeah that's right where I am, right down there I'm in that arena Right here.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, that's right where I am. Right down there. I'm in that arena.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Right here.

Captain Tinsley:

Or this one.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, the other one, this one, that one, yep, yep, I'm in. I can tell you what slip I'm in.

Captain Tinsley:

Hey, it's empty. Yeah, it is, it is empty.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Really, that's surprising that, yeah, it is, it is empty.

Captain Tinsley:

Really. That's surprising, that's exactly how it looks.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Is it because boats are put up for the winter? Where's your boat If you move your cursor up one row and then to the left row?

Captain Tinsley:

Over here. Yeah, I'm right over like four slips this way.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, I'm right over like four slips this way. No to the right Right. No, it's not my boat, but I'm on that left column. Okay, right there, I'm in that row.

Captain Tinsley:

Right in here.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No on the left.

Captain Tinsley:

Over here.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I'm right there.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, well, that looks pretty protected in there.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, it gets crazy windy here, though Really yeah, it gets insane.

Captain Tinsley:

It looks like a big old river.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

But you say there are markers and everything.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, so you're going to come out.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

There's a lot of gallows there.

Captain Tinsley:

And I don't know how far you have to come out. But you said you're going to go on.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I'm just going to go out 100 miles and get just offshore, yeah, and then, yeah, start going left and somewhere down here, the trades start being in your favor. I've been told that when you put a stick of butter on the outside and by the time it melts, that's when you turn to Hawaii. I think I'm going to do that. I might just do that.

Captain Tinsley:

Kind of old school.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

Alright, so now we know you're going to Honolulu and you've already got the marina. Is it real expensive, the Marina?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, not as much as you'd think. I thought it was good, Like that was the deciding factor?

Captain Tinsley:

I would think it was expensive.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, it's like roughly $350 a month for a one liveaboard slip, but yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

Wow.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

You can't get that in Alabama, yeah.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It's not bad. You know I expected to speak.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I know california could be like 1200 a month per slip, which is insane shoot I thought no no, cheryl, not the big island um, the big island is, uh well, the bigger island, yeah, yeah, yeah I plan on exploring all of the islands, which would be really cool when I get there, Like, when I get there, I plan on taking like because I've not like. So you know, I've worked a job since I was like 16, consecutively nonstop up until so. Obviously, I quit my career a year ago ago, but then I quit that other job that I got five, four or five months ago. Yeah, and even during this duration it's not like I've not been work, you know, just hanging out I've. I've literally, if anything, my workload has increased, you know from working on the boat.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I plan on taking like a couple months and just um, just hanging out.

Captain Tinsley:

You know it sounds wonderful, enjoying it a bit so you, you had a job at I'm trying to remember the name of that store.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It was a tire place yeah, another, I got another tire, but it was a different type of job. Yeah, another tire place and, uh, I didn't do anything for that.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I literally like I would show up to work and I remember you saying it was like I had my own like I didn't have any like bosses that I worked for a dealership. I was contracted to work in a dealership to sell tires for the dealership, so I didn't have any like bosses there, so I would just sit. That's how I learned how to edit all my videos. I just sat there for eight hours a day, five days a week, editing videos for social media, and that's what I learned.

Captain Tinsley:

Nobody could see that. I mean, they didn't give you any duties.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I ended up getting fired, so they figured it out that I literally didn't do my job.

Captain Tinsley:

Did you have a list of duties or anything?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I had to sell tires and, uh, they kept coming down on me. They're like why aren't you selling tires? Why they were just so incredibly, they're tyrants. And uh, they just wanted me to. I, literally, it was physically not capable of selling. I can't sell tires anymore. I'm, I can't do it. You're over it. I can't do it. Yeah, there's no way. And uh, uh, yeah, they wanted me to sell time and I would get these crazy emails and they took I can't do it. Yeah, there's no way. Yeah, they wanted me to sell time and I would get these crazy emails and they took my, they took my office chair away and because I was sitting down, yeah and yeah, it's just funny, thank you.

Captain Tinsley:

Cheryl oh, and it's a Wahoo, by the way, where he's going. So, yeah, I think he's pretty good at the old Instagram editing. He has some great videos yeah, I figured it out. So you said you would get the crazy emails yeah, I just get crazy, you know.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I just didn't do that job. I just I literally I went into that job with a mindset of being like I'm going to, I'm, I'm going to pull off, try and pull off this social media stuff, or at least figure it out while I'm at this job and just take that opportunity for that time in the day. Instead of doing the job, I'll spend all of that time on on me. It's terrible as far as, like you know, an employee goes, but it was have they ever watched your videos?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

um, I think, I don't know, I don't think so one of my old boss, one of the one of my my bosses when I was there, got fired. He does see my videos, he does follow me now and uh does see my videos.

Captain Tinsley:

He does follow me now and, uh, that's pretty funny. Your followers are grateful to the tire company for training you. Yeah, oh, that is, that's a good one, all right. So they said okay, you gotta go, you're not doing anything and so, yeah, that's what?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

because I don't know. If you remember when we originally spoke, my the plan to sail to hawaii was originally april 2026 yeah or may 2026 that was the original plan and I my my job started. I I could see the end coming. I could clear his day. They were sending all the crazy emails. I was getting written up. I got written up like five times in one week once I was like what the hell is going on?

Captain Tinsley:

What would they say? There's people coming in and you weren't selling them any tires. Yeah, I wasn't. You'd say, just go away.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I wasn't reading the quotas, and then the dealership management was telling them I was just sitting in my chair, and then they took my chair and then I grabbed the chair and I brought it back.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I'm not going to stand and edit these videos. I got to sit down. Did you tell them that? No, they didn't know I was editing, but I didn't like they didn't know what I was doing. They just thought I was being like lazy Um, which I w. I really wasn't Like. I was working really, really hard for the time I was there, but just not for them, Right, and I can't remember where we were going, but, yeah, so I could see the end closing in and I had, at that point, at the moment that I recognized that I was like a month away from, I knew I was a month away from getting fired.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I realized I had already I already done so much work to the boat, like much more work to the boat than I had. I'd gotten further than I had anticipated and I just you know, just a fleeting, like impulsive decision I was I like posted a video. I was like I'm going to shoot for this upcoming May to cross the ocean, and I knew I honestly didn't think it was even possible to get this amount of work done in the following four or five months. And as I was, as I made that post and I did so crazy crazy, so ft foot uh dot silent underscore.

Captain Tinsley:

J said on instagram the mouth of the columbia is some of the most treacherous mouths in the world it's yes, it's called the graveyard of pacific.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It's like it is the most dangerous uh river bar in the world have you been out? No, I figured I just crossed it the one time maybe give it a test run, go out all the time. It's not like that crazy it can. It can be the most catastrophic, amazingly craziest dangerous thing in the world, like just the other day it was 32 foot seas out on the col Bar Just right here. Or it can be just incredibly uneventful.

Captain Tinsley:

So you're going to time it right. Yeah, exactly 32-foot seas Wow.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, it gets crazy on the bar, it gets crazy here, just outside. Here it gets crazy.

Captain Tinsley:

Well, I'll be really glad to see you not in clothes that you're where you're cold.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Oh, I can't wait to see you free and without you, I can't wait on my boat in a t-shirt oh, instead of just being because you're hate, my hands get so cold. You're doing all the work and you hit your hand on something and it is the most painful thing in the world like, uh, yeah, so excited, I'm never going to a cold climate, ever again.

Captain Tinsley:

I don't blame you. I'm not a cold water sailor, a cold wind sailor or anything.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, it's brutal.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, so let's see Critical repairs upgrades you made since we last talked.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Did we talk?

Captain Tinsley:

about all of them. Oh no, I mean there's there's so many.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I know there's like a lot of little things but I wouldn't even be able to critical the windlass. I went through that windlass saga because we talked about it last time, my whole windlass situation, I freaking solved it after going through, uh, the ringer. I uh finally solved it. So, because what I had in there before was a smaller winless and, uh, it was only, uh, it was 50 feet of quarter inch chain and uh, uh, it was 150 foot of road and it's just super light, um, 150 feet and 50 feet of chain.

Captain Tinsley:

It was 150 foot of road and it's just super light 150 feet and 50 feet of chain, that's pretty good 50 feet of quarter inch chain, so it's like for like a dinghy.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Oh, okay, so you changed that out. Yeah, so now I've got 150 feet of five sixteenths high test and an additional 150 feet of road which I initially didn't think was going to fit.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

My plan was to leave that system and then, further back, install an additional manual windlass and drill a hole through the deck that would go down to the bilge where I would deploy the chain into the additional chain for the separate system, into the bilge. And I was, you know, looking into it and thinking of it and talking to other people um, apparently, chain stacks weird and it could get caught on the edges of the stainless steel tubing that I would have ran down the middle of my boat. Um, uh, so I ended up trying and it worked. I can't believe, because I had that divider in the. I had this weird divider in my uh, um, sorry, I don't have to get in super details about it, that's all right.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I didn't think any of it was going to fit and I had to replace the windlass and the hole for the new windlass. I totally thought, because I got the lumar v2, which is the grade up from what I had, yeah, and I thought, bigger windlass, bigger hole. And it was the opposite. It was a bigger windlass, smaller hole really. And yeah, so I made that realization. I was like, oh shit, because I don't know how to.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I didn't know how to fiberglass or do any of that stuff. And that was so far. It still is far out of my element, but I ended up. It took me like 13 days, every single day working on it, 13 days to to do that job, to to 13 days to fill the hole and refiberglass it and and gel coat and all that stuff. Yeah, it was brutal and I did. I did it all well because the problem was all that stuff, you get the fiberglass wet and the gel coat wet, you're done, it's over, and the epoxy and I did all of that and it was monsoon winds and rain like chaos, like.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

So I set up this like makeshift, like tarp over the area and so I spent days inside this tarp on my knees, just just like huddled up, doing this repair, and uh, I literally ate, you know, with toxic fumes flying around. I was wearing a mask but I I literally got a headache that lasted for like five days from from being in there and uh, and the wind ripping apart. You know, I thought it was going to rip apart the uh all that tarp ripping apart. You know, I thought it was going to rip apart the uh all that tarp and it was.

Captain Tinsley:

It's literally stuff nightmares are made out of it's uh, how does it look, how does it look good and how does it work. Does it work okay?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

yeah, it works great. So I did. I did. I went to the store and got the thickest, most insane fiberglass they had to put on the bottom side. So if you look at the bottom so you can't see it, obviously because it's underneath but it's this massive fiberglass, so like that's not going anywhere. And then on on the top side I just I grinded it down and like feathered it all. So I had this giant, like giant hole and then grinded down all the fiberglass in my deck and then I put like 13, 13 to 14 layers of fiberglass to even it out. And then I did a uh, uh, what's it called? A um, um, a filler in in there to even it out, sanded it, and then I did a barrier coat and then I gel coated it and it looks really good, like the gel coat is brand new. So you can tell there's a difference in gel coat colors between the old gel coat and the new one, but I tried to design it.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

That's a real skill for both of those things the fiberglass and that's amazing, and now I have all this fiberglass and all of the equipment on board in the event I need to fiberglass something when I'm offshore.

Captain Tinsley:

That'll probably come in handy.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

And you could earn, or you could earn some extra bucks doing it for some other people.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

There's no, you can't pay me anything to do that. It's not worth it yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

Oh, let's see, we got RT on on congrats, let's go Phoenix. Okay, rt on Congrats, let's go Phoenix. Okay, there's one of your fans. Do you know them?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I've seen his comments on my YouTube. Miscellaneous if maker OG.

Captain Tinsley:

And then Erica says it's amazing how you just Figure things out. You know, when I asked Sailing Songbird, this is he said. I said how did you learn Google?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I use ChatGPT. Yeah, I can literally send pictures of my problem. Yeah, wiring or something. I'll send pictures to ChatGPT and be like what? Why is my starter not working or what you know?

Captain Tinsley:

I have whole conversations like my new best friend.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I do too yeah. It's the reason It'll talk to you like a person.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, it's the reason for this to be possible. Yeah, that does change the game, doesn't it?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Otherwise, you would need legitimately a mentor in order to do this.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, is he leaving Astoria due west or sailing south? First he said he was going to sail south.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I'm not stopping, but I'm going south.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, but yeah, I don't see I ever have to talk to a computer support person ever again. Yeah, you know the boat. I mean. As long as you know what kind of equipment you have and you tell it, it'll tell you the ins and outs of that equipment, It'll make recommendations for different things you need to add. It's pretty cool.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It is. It works out really well.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, okay. So is there anything that you may not be able to fix or upgrade that you would like to? But you're going to? I think you said you're going to be. Well, you got to work to pay off your credit cards. Is there anything else that you're just going to wait to get?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

One thing which she might probably not going to like it, but it is my, so this is the one thing I haven't done and so, like the way I look at it, is all of this? It's a balance of risk of money.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

And of risk reward Chasing a dream. You know what I mean. Every all this stuff is getting balanced out and I've balanced it all out to the best of my ability, and the thing that I have cut the corner on is the standing rigging, but I had it inspected by a boat builder. Okay, and he's, because it was the. It's been a freshwater boat in its entire life awesome.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Um, I had it inspected by a guy who's like a renowned, sailed around the world a bunch of times and built he like lives on a boat that he built and, um, he, uh, uh, I had him inspect it because I couldn't afford a rigger and he said and I've learned a lot too, just from him, and then, just because it's the thing that's on my mind, so I constantly inspect it as well. So I think it, I would like to replace it for sure, and I will replace it before I go to French Polynesia.

Captain Tinsley:

I think we talked about that. I had recommended that you get it inspected, I think. I think that was you.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

How much is the inspection Cause?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

that's what I do. It's like 500 bucks or something.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, it's a good $500. It's worth it. Yeah, you had a buddy do it.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I trust worth it. Yeah, I had a buddy do it. I trust him over sure. I just trust the person that came and looked at it. So, um, and he also has no bias at all he's gonna just say it like if it needs to be replaced, he's gonna tell me. If it doesn't, then he's gonna say you're fine now, what did he say? He said it looks good, it looks fine, you know, looks good.

Captain Tinsley:

But you're gonna replace it before you go to french polynesia.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, because it is old, but it has been replaced before Because he noticed the fittings. They were different fittings.

Captain Tinsley:

Oh, yeah, yeah, some things have been replaced. Yeah, so I don't know how to say your name, miscellaneous Ifmaker OG Rigging very expensive in Hawaii, get done cheap in mexico.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

That's kind of well. I I, I don't know that it's that expensive in hawaii, if I've had people. I had one of my followers message me that he got his rigging in hawaii for, uh, he has a slightly smaller boat but he got the rigging for I mean, I would do it all myself. I wouldn't pay for somebody to do it, but it would be. It's the only way to do it is doing it yourself, for me at least, being poor. But uh, uh, he got his rigging for like 1500 bucks I think mine would probably be like I don't know, I've really looked into it around 2000. But um, yeah, I'll do that when I'm, when I'm there.

Captain Tinsley:

No, you already looked into like you have to order it from yeah, they ship it.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It's expensive.

Captain Tinsley:

Expensive part is getting it shipped to hawaii is right expensive um, so you already got a quote uh, just from the guy that lives there.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

He got hit. He got his ship to him for 15001,500.

Captain Tinsley:

That's not bad, that was including the shipping.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, including the shipping.

Captain Tinsley:

So he's saying tariff ruined that. But mine comes from Florida so he's shipping it to Hawaii. So that's still America.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

Alright, so what else do you want to tell us?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

um, I don't know what else you want to know um, I think we've covered just about everything.

Captain Tinsley:

Does anybody have any questions? I'm excited for you. I do want to follow you. Still not made here.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I get you okay, I don't know you could think of all the things if I, if I, if I uh stopped at all the.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

You know, there's so many things that I've already done that have been so much out of my like I don't know what I'm trying to say but like, um, there I could, there's no point in looking too far ahead into the things, otherwise I'll just discourage myself. So, like the standing rigging, is it going to be more expensive in hawaii? Yeah, is it not? Is it going to be practical? No, but I'm going to do it and I am going to figure it out. So that's just where that's. I get it handled in this entire process because it's the only way. Otherwise, otherwise, you overthink everything and it, um, it becomes too overwhelming, yeah, over, exactly. So I, just, I, literally just as the problem is in front of me. That's when I, I handle the, the issue, and so erica says it's been amazing watching you.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Oliver, just keep going maybe I get to hawaii and in the price of standing rigging it's ten thousand dollars to things gone crazy, gone sideways. Maybe I just rigged the boat with dyneema, you know, I've seen people do that a lot of people do that, so I don't know.

Captain Tinsley:

Uh, admin logistics, let's go phoenix. Love the videos, cannot wait for the crossing. A lot of people behind you I know you got like 36 000 followers on instagram yeah, I think so now that's impressive amazing it's been.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

The support has been unreal.

Captain Tinsley:

It's been unreal like it's been so cool to have I know you have a go fund me, or what do you?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

have. Yeah, I don't ever like advertise it well, we're gonna do it right now all right, let's see what.

Captain Tinsley:

What is it?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

it Um no, this is what you got to do?

Captain Tinsley:

Uh, so if you go to, okay, we'll just uh, let's see We'll put this up. All right, If you go to, let me take that banner down. A comment oh, okay, I'm shopping for a solo sailor doing research for six months looking out of San Diego area. I have good prices. Now we need a big send-off from Astoria.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Oh, yeah, I was actually going to do a post. I don't have anything to post today. I didn't post anything on social media, but I'll do that later today, I think. But yeah, I think I'll do. A lot of people have asked to do that, so I think-.

Captain Tinsley:

Like a meet and greet and a fundraiser or something.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, just a send off Like a oh yeah, yeah, say bye here. I just so. Yeah, I think I'll make a vid. So I've decided. I think on the 27th, which is a Sunday, anyone can come and say you know, see you later.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, yeah, I guess if you try to plan something too big, that'll just be kind of stressful because you've got to do all these other things I'm not going to do anything.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Just to be clear to everybody, it's going to be me, a boat and a dock.

Captain Tinsley:

I have no idea, but I'm not clear to everybody.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It's going to be me, a boat and a dock, I can just come up and say I have no idea, but I'm not getting food or anything, right?

Captain Tinsley:

right, right, they can bring you something. They can bring you something. Yeah, you can bring me food. I wish I lived closer. I'll be there in spirit. I appreciate you. He said film the bar crossing which I'm sure you will.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I I don't know if I'm gonna film. It depends how it's really hard to film on a river, like it's really hard um you just have to mount your phone like right on.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I would have to do a mount and just do it like that, which, which I mean the whole process. So the what's really cool my brother is a uh like a uh an amazing like a filmmaker and he makes films and uh, specializes in like documentaries and stuff and, um, he's super talented and he definitely gives me some. He's given me some like pointers on like making my videos and stuff. He lives in the uk but he agreed for this. The whole thing is going to be youtube style, documented, you know, horizontal for the passage to hawaii, and uh, I'm going to just record everything and he's going to put it all together oh, I was going to say that's you know what I mean.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Like they're not very good um well, that's great.

Captain Tinsley:

You can just send them to him during the trip and have a nice.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I don't know if I'll do it during the trip, but when I get there for sure. But everything I'll have on my computer here and it'll be all organized by day and then I'll, once I get there, I'll transfer it all to him and he'll edit it all and he's going to put it all together, that's fabulous.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, I'll have a uh, a guy who is really good at making documentaries, basically make my, make the the passage, so that's cool so, um, listen, if you guys want to support oliver, you can go to his instagram sailing underscore with underscore phoenix and um you can check out his go fund me and it's a good cause, so he's not going to ask for it, so I'm going to do it for him. Bring, send your money.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

You don't have to, you could just. You could just follow me and uh, uh, it's be along for the journey. You know, I don't know.

Captain Tinsley:

So if, um, if you want to track them, he is going to try to work something out, maybe. What if they? I don't know if it'd be too many people DM and you cause you could send it. You could send it out.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, it's my DMs out of control right now I have to like not open it, Cause it's too. It gives me to it because I try and respond to everybody you respond to me.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, I also text you.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, and you're in my primary. I've got like a primary chat and like a general chat, okay, it gets separated on Instagram after you hit a certain amount of followers and you're in like my primary chat. Thank you, but so I mean it's just been difficult to, because I try and message everybody back.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

But as I've gotten more and more followers, it's become more and more like crazy.

Captain Tinsley:

You need a little help. Somebody else looking at it, yeah.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, I don't want to do that. I'd rather not respond than have somebody else messaging for me.

Captain Tinsley:

Well, I don't know how to say it. Emissive Maker OG says you should get an ID tracker so subscribers can follow. So just remember that name and maybe you can send him. He wants to follow and I'm going to be posting too. He's going to give me the tracker so I can maybe give some updates too on my channel.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

So anybody else got any questions, bring them on. He's leaving in two weeks.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, too old, depending on the weather, but I'll be ready in two weeks.

Captain Tinsley:

He said 100 miles out. Curious how far south before due west. Oh, okay, he's asking about how? Yeah, that's what I was asking. You're just like until the butter melts.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, until I mean, I don't know exactly, I can't tell you the miles and stuff, but I've been looking at predict, waiting every day, and there is a point where it kind of starts to. It just starts to. You know, you just follow it to Hawaii.

Captain Tinsley:

So if he knows the what's this, Follow James and a few others across. When he figures out where the trade winds are favorable to take him to Hawaii, that's when he's going to cross. So if anybody out there knows exactly where that is, you've been looking on.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I check it every day. I update it. Right now, May 1st is not looking good. What's it? Look like it's just headwind all the way to, basically, california.

Captain Tinsley:

So it's a south wind.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah. It's coming up and you'd just be going right into the wind, yeah, and which I don't want to do. Um, just really like I wouldn't mind too much myself, I think, as far as the the comfort factor, but like it, it's hard on the boat and it'd be really hard on my cat if we're just pounding into the waves constantly right yeah and uh.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I just don't want to put her through that. If I, I don't want to put the boat through it too for the first. You know this first passage at least as well. And this point this boat doesn't point in into wind very well. It does now with the new sails, but it does much better.

Captain Tinsley:

But yeah, so he says usually if we're a hundred miles past USA. So I think he's thinking will cross when they get down to mexico. But um, you had said your plan was to is you'll be crossing when you're off the coast of california yeah okay, all right. Well, this is very exciting. Don't forget to send me that link. I sure I will. I want to follow you and we're going to do another interview when you get to the other side yeah, cool that's.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

That's fine, it's fine with me.

Captain Tinsley:

So everybody, come off the box, peel off the bread for Oliver and go to at Sailing with Phoenix on Instagram and see if you can make a donation. I'm going to make one myself.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

No, you don't have to do that. Yes, I want to.

Captain Tinsley:

It's the least.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I can do, I'll take it down. Yeah, you're not going to turn it down.

Captain Tinsley:

That's what I'll do. We have a lot of people on Instagram watching. Someone says FTsilent, underscore J says what you're doing is so cool, so inspiring. I love following you on your journey. Can't wait to see you be in Hawaii Me, too. Safe travels you and Phoenix so cool, how much you love your journey. Can't wait to see you be in Hawaii Me, too. Safe travels you and Phoenix so cool. How much you love your cat too. A man that can love a cat is a good man.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I'm just here to tell you, I was hoping she was going to come sit on my lap right now.

Captain Tinsley:

Yeah, I've had somebody that's asked to see the cat. Is that possible?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, I think so. I don't know. She's on her own terms. I can go to the rest. She's a cat, that's why, Don't judge the boat, don't judge the mess in the boat.

Captain Tinsley:

Oh, the boat's beautiful. What are you talking about? Let's see where that kitty is.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I have to lure her out with cheat treats.

Captain Tinsley:

Oh, yeah, come here. Come, here Come here the 100 miles out. Sailing south tougher than going west. It's rarely sailed on circulation journeys and I can't speak to that. This is what Misfmaker.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

OG Mischiefmaker.

Captain Tinsley:

Is it Mischiefmaker?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Thank you, he's been around. He comments on all of my YouTube videos.

Captain Tinsley:

He's an OG.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

He's been around since the very first one there's been around. He comments on all of my YouTube videos. He's an OG.

Captain Tinsley:

He's been around since the very first one. There's the kitty. Okay let's see the kitty. This is Phoenix. Everybody, Ladies and gentlemen, Phoenix.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

This is Phoenix. This is the star of the show, right here.

Captain Tinsley:

Kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty, hey kitty.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, she's awesome. So, yeah, the boat's names. A lot of people get get it confused but the boat, so my boat's name is Phoenix, so is my cat's right. I named the boat after my cat.

Captain Tinsley:

What are they confused about?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I don't know, they don't know what my, if my, what my cat's name is.

Captain Tinsley:

Okay, well, it's sailing with Phoenix, yeah. I mean I could guess. Yeah, so I'm not sure what this is. Washington to California. Some. I'm not sure what that says. You see it, mischief maker, some, I don't know. Some of the roughest waters. Maybe Washington to California, some of the roughest waters.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I think I know. I'll let you know.

Captain Tinsley:

I'll let you know for sure there's that kitty tuna fish 50 miles out on Pacific. It's nasty, okay, so no eating tuna it's nasty. No, you don't know, oh, you asked me. So no eating tuna it's nasty. No, you don't know, oh you asked me yeah what did he this? Is your.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

I don't know.

Captain Tinsley:

He's full of knowledge. Today he's throwing it out.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, he's full of knowledge on my YouTube too. He's also throwing it out there, yeah.

Captain Tinsley:

All right. Well, I guess that's it. We've been on an hour. I appreciate it.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

And.

Captain Tinsley:

I'm going to be following and I do want that link Please don't forget about me.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

If you remind me, I'll send it. For sure I will.

Captain Tinsley:

I won't let you forget, and we're looking at May 1st. You're going to be ready for May 1st, but you'll judge it by the weather.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, You'll be getting lots of opinions on that. Yeah, I'm just going for it and using my best judgment on things and I will find out how things go when I do it.

Captain Tinsley:

He said why not much info sail great pacific northwest? Uh, not much info on the. I'm not sure what he was saying there. He's typing fast. Um, okay, all right, oliver, you're doing great. Everybody's proud of you thank you, it's amazing. You're an inspiration. You go from sailing knowledge from zero to 900 and it's still, it's, still, it's.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

It's not zero anymore, but it's about two zero to 60.

Captain Tinsley:

No, I can't believe you tackled um gel coat.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, that was the the one of the most hardest jobs I've done, like you don't want to get into the hardest thing I've ever done, not only because the work, but like just the environment. I was in sucked and, but so I was proud of that one for sure, and it's a good, so you, would you do another repair if you had to?

Captain Tinsley:

or?

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

it was my yeah and I had to do it for sure. I wouldn't ever want to do that again. It's so terrible, Vic, because you can actually see my anchor locker right there. Yeah, right, I see it. It's a tiny hole and it's just a fiberglass divider. So I was in there for hours with my arms in there on my back with the, with the fiberglass I know what you're talking about, that fiberglass divider.

Oliver of Sailing with Phoenix:

Yeah, your back was on that yeah, my back was on it because the only way, and then I was up above sanding the fiberglass above me and I was in there for hours doing that and uh it's, uh, the whole job was really hard.

Captain Tinsley:

All right, I'm something sale by November sailing next season. Prepare for rain. Good luck, Thanks, man. All right, okay, this is how we end this. I'm going to say goodbye, thank you, and salty abandoned out.

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