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Salty Podcast #72 ⛵️ "Sailing Equals Freedom" with @ShipwreckSurvivor

• Captain Tinsley • Season 1 • Episode 72

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Some audio issues with one of my guests, Christian Parker.  He was on his boat in the Florida Keys and was using his phone for the Livestream.  What does true sailing freedom look like? For Christian (better known as @ShipwreckedSurvivor) and his fiancée Pippa, it's about stripping away the unnecessary, embracing simplicity, and making this ancient art accessible to everyone—not just the wealthy elite.

Their sailing journey defies conventional wisdom at every turn. Christian shares the wild story behind his Instagram handle, recounting his capsizing experience during the Ultimate Florida Challenge race. The couple's candid take on the controversial Bahamas fee increases (jumping from $150 to $800 for cruising permits) offers valuable perspective for anyone planning Caribbean adventures in the coming season.

The centerpiece of their story? A luxury French catamaran purchased for just $2,000 on eBay. Without engines but with "good bones," this four-stateroom vessel represents Christian's philosophy that sailing shouldn't require hundreds of thousands of dollars. His MacGyver-like abilities to simplify systems and make things work demonstrate that ingenuity often matters more than deep pockets in the sailing world.

Perhaps most inspiring is their commitment to teaching others. Through free sailing schools in New York and Florida, they've built communities where aspiring sailors learn on donated boats without financial barriers. Their approach emphasizes starting small, mastering fundamentals on simple craft, and developing the problem-solving mindset essential for life at sea.

"If you ever wanted something and thought about it, then if not now, when?" Pippa challenges listeners. "Just do it. Get out there, start small, start somewhere." After reconnecting 36 years after their teenage romance, this engaged couple embodies their own advice about seizing opportunities and creating the life you want—one creative solution at a time.

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Capn Tinsley:

Tonight on the Salty Podcast, we're joined by Christian, better known as at ShipwreckedSurvivor on Instagram, and his fiancee Pippa. Christian is never shy about sharing his views on Instagram, usually from his sailboat, about increased Bahamas fees for cruisers, why everyone needs to learn how to sail and that sailing equals freedom. Pippa brings her own perspective from life aboard and together they're a duo making waves online and at sea. This is going to be a no holds back conversation but before we get underway, if you're enjoying this sailing content, please like, subscribe and share. It really helps grow the channel. I'm your host, captain Tinsley of Sailing Vessel Salty Abandoned and Island Packet 320. And this is the Salty Podcast, episode 72. Please help me welcome Christian and Pippa. Good evening, hey, hi everybody.

Capn Tinsley:

That is a great view there, christian. That is awesome. So you're in the keys. Let's go ahead and say that that's pretty awesome. Before we go, before we start, I want to say that we're live on four platforms Facebook, youtube X and Instagram. And if anybody wants to comment, live in the chat. I do try to monitor Instagram, but the Facebook and the YouTube chat will come right in here and I can put your comments on the screen here. So, with that, welcome. Oh, I can hear you hear. Are you playing it? Are you playing it back?

Pippa:

I was trying to figure out how to do that. There we go.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, so I can hear an echo. All right, let's start. Okay, Christian, let's start with you. Your handle at Shipwrecked Survivor. What's the story behind that?

Christian Patrick:

Well, I was sailing in the Ultimate Florida Challenge.

Capn Tinsley:

Now your audio is kind of messed up all of a sudden.

Christian Patrick:

Is it Okay? I am out of the wind, so maybe are you hearing the same thing?

Capn Tinsley:

I am pippa uh there, that's better.

Pippa:

I don't hold steady.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, maybe it's me, let me try this.

Christian Patrick:

Maybe my mic was too high. There he's there now?

Capn Tinsley:

Good, give me one second. This is what happens when you go live. Yeah, okay, can you hear me?

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

Sounds like we got a weird thing.

Christian Patrick:

Okay, okay Okay. Everything sounds fine to me, but I don't know what you're looking for.

Capn Tinsley:

That sounds better.

Christian Patrick:

Yes, yeah, okay. So I was doing this race, the 1200 mile ultimate Florida challenge. It's a race all the way around the peninsula of Florida, from Tampa down around the Keys, up the east coast of Florida and then through some rivers to get back to Tampa through Gainesville, and I was two weeks into it. Halfway around Florida and I I got sandwiched by two thunderstorms at once and and I basically encountered crazy winds it must have been like 65 knot winds and I wasn't expecting it. And the boat I had the jib up, no, no, I had the mainsail fully reefed, two reefs in, and my boat just started going way too fast and I hit hold and um, ended up upside down and uh, oh man yeah so that's my shipwreck story, but uh, but yeah.

Christian Patrick:

the coast guard came and got me in 45 minutes, and I, you know, everything was fine. I lost the boat, though, so oh, wow. Yeah, yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

And what kind of boat was that?

Christian Patrick:

It was a 21-foot beach cat. Okay, really cool boat.

Capn Tinsley:

You've built quite a following on Instagram. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to cough. What do you think your opinions resonate with so many sailors? Why do you think that is well I?

Christian Patrick:

don't know. Um, really I really don't understand the algorithms too much because I've been doing I've been talking about giving free lessons to people and teach people how to sail and the importance of knowing how to sail for freedom and, uh and environmentalist reasons. I've been doing that for three years and I only got 400 followers in three years and um started talking about about the Bahamas. All of a sudden I got like 600 followers.

Capn Tinsley:

I don't know. They wanted to hear about the drama instead.

Pippa:

Well, I put it in all those Facebook crossing groups and those people are hot. They're hot about it. Are they mad about it? Okay, oh, yeah, well, let's talk about that.

Capn Tinsley:

Let's uh, let's talk about the Bahamas and the. So I'm about to apply for the cruising permit and for my cats and all that. All that paperwork I haven't started yet. It's about, I'm about gonna, I'm gonna start it here in the next week or so. What? What's the deal with it? I mean, it went up from like $300 to what.

Christian Patrick:

Well, it used to be $150 for what I wanted to do, which would have been a six-month cruising permit with a fixed permit, and now the minimum permit for what I wanted to do, like that for my size boat, is 800 bucks. So, um, I tried to get into the Bahamas with Pippa the day before the prices went up, but we got there just one day, one day too late, and so we had to end up paying the. We paid $700 instead of the 800.

Capn Tinsley:

And this was this. When was this?

Christian Patrick:

We got in July 1st.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, so y'all went in July.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Pippa:

We started June and we didn't expect to get take it that long. But you know weather happens. And yeah, but you know weather happens and um yeah so we were, you know, basically a day late and they were not honor the pre the check-in, so yeah, nobody was personally there yeah, after hours.

Pippa:

Yeah, oh, you got there after five or something, right? And even though we had done all the paperwork and stuff for her beforehand, we did not check in the correct way in person, so then we got charged, oh wow, we're trying to beat it I see, I see well we may have been able to beat it if we would have paid um online the day before.

Christian Patrick:

but we didn't know that we could pay online we because we checked in with the click to clear online the right day and then the next day we went into the office to give them the money and they said no, you have to. You have to pay the full, the new fees.

Capn Tinsley:

So that went. If you thought it was going to be $150 and it went to $800?.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Pippa:

We were scrambling to get there before it happened, but it just didn't work out that way. What'd you do? Just sucked it up and paid it.

Christian Patrick:

I didn't want anything else to do. I went in there with money and I tried to, you know, see if they could. Uh, let us have the, the, the, the check-in date from from yesterday that we did online and they just didn't want to do it yeah yeah, and and also they said that that this check-in was only good for one visit to the bahamas for the boat, but the boat could stay here all year in the Bahamas. And then we had we had to leave in 30 days, but the boat could stay.

Capn Tinsley:

What did you do?

Christian Patrick:

Well, we, we looked at plane tickets and the plane tickets also went up, uh, cause this was off season, and uh, the flights were um, like the minimum flight was 300 and and most of the flights were 500, and I'm used to airlines went out of business yeah, yeah right. One of the discount airlines went out of business.

Capn Tinsley:

Count airlines we're not a business, so no, it's called um. It sounds like spirit called silver area.

Christian Patrick:

Oh yeah, I remember them, okay, yeah, so we were just doing the math and it would have been six hundred dollars in plane tickets, plus another six hundred dollars to come back to the bahamas, plus a five hundred dollars for a mooring, you know for for the month. And then, um, we decided to just it's cheaper to just sail back, wow, and more fun. Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, so um, and what size boat was it?

Christian Patrick:

33.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, so I have a 320. So so I can, I can expect about 800, right.

Christian Patrick:

Yes, if you want a fishing permit.

Capn Tinsley:

If I want a fishing permit.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, yeah.

Pippa:

There's a non-negotiable anchoring fee, though it doesn't matter if you've got a reserve and a marina slip. Non-negotiable. What was it? 100 or 200? 200. Like an anchor fee yeah yeah so the breakdown is is it?

Capn Tinsley:

it was a total of 800 for fishing and for anchoring, and yeah yeah, that's for 12 months.

Christian Patrick:

Are you gonna leave the boat there and fly back, or no?

Capn Tinsley:

I'm going to have cats with me. I normally would do something like that, but I'll have the cats with me. I'm not going to leave them. They probably wouldn't like that. Anyway, I plan to stay in Georgetown for about a month. Okay, great, it's a six-month cruising permit, right?

Pippa:

No it's only a year now, yeah, okay, and then the one, that one that we got, the one year is just the one in and out within 30 days, but again the boat can stay there. But but if you get, like the, I guess, the extra special VIP permit where you can go in and out as much as you want, it's, I think, $2,500 about.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, I saw something about $1,500. I was getting real confused, but have you ever heard of a $1,500?

Pippa:

one. I think that's what it was originally to do the in and out all the time. I don't know.

Capn Tinsley:

Like it's so confusing.

Pippa:

Even looking at the Bahamian government website, it doesn't make any sense half of it. So yeah, it just oh well, christian.

Capn Tinsley:

What do you think the reason?

Pippa:

who is uh issuing your permit where you go, which official you get to talk to? Right is is what it boils down to, and I honestly had never encountered that before because I'm sheltered, but apparently that's just the way they operate.

Capn Tinsley:

Now tell me where you are, Pippa.

Pippa:

Oh, I'm in South Carolina right now taking care of some stuff.

Capn Tinsley:

And you guys are newly engaged.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Pippa:

I don't know. Oh yeah, I guess About six months now.

Christian Patrick:

That long.

Pippa:

I'm thinking about it. I'm like wait, yeah, february, it's August, it's almost September.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, but you've actually you've known each other a long time, right?

Christian Patrick:

Yeah. Yeah 36 years.

Pippa:

He's the second boy I ever kissed wow, that is pretty cool.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, so you guys went off and had your own lives and then you came back or you said you were checking in with each other every so often. Yeah, yeah.

Pippa:

And look at you now. Yeah, I never thought. Yeah, if you told 15-year-old me that this was ahead of me, I would have said no, you're insane, no, no.

Capn Tinsley:

Would you have been happy? You just didn't think it would.

Pippa:

I don't know. We were for too long we wanted different things out of life, and it would not have. Know, we were for too long we wanted different things out of life, and it wouldn't. It would not have worked, we would have made each other miserable. And now we can just run off and adventure. Sure yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

All right. So do you Christian, or both of you? Do you think this is going to deter some sailors from going?

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, absolutely. It's going to deter sailors more than power boaters, though, Like you said, as a power boater it doesn't really care about a small fee like this compared to their fuel costs. But yeah, we were in the Bahamas for two weeks and we we, we were in a hurry, so we motored the whole time. Uh, we spent $700, $700 in fuel, Um, and then yeah, and then $700 in fees. So you know that doubled our budget. So for us it doesn't make sense to come back for a short trip in the Bahamas again. Also, also, sailing to the Bahamas is an upwind sail, so it's kind of it's usually going to be more fuel to get there than just come back, Whereas sailing to Mexico or Belize is a downwind sail, and I heard you mention that you're thinking about going to Belize.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, yeah, belize. Belize would be a great alternative to the Bahamas. So it all depends on the winds, you know, once we actually get on the water, because if we have west winds, yeah, it would be better to sail on on to, uh, the dr and um, if we can get that far, but um, we'll probably end up in cancun first and then we'll okay yeah I don't care where we go, I don't care as long as we go.

Pippa:

If we keep going all right.

Capn Tinsley:

So so tell us about that boat you're on right now, christian.

Christian Patrick:

The two thousand dollar catamaran is it yeah french catamaran, that is a luxury catamaran with four state rooms and two bathrooms. But uh, this particular uh type, uh, this particular model of catamaran was was built more for performance. That has nice aerodynamic shape on the top, the top deck, so it handles pretty well and it's really well made a lot of, a lot of. It's really well made A lot of racing.

Capn Tinsley:

Is he are you. Is you hearing him coming in and out too? Yeah, it's coming in and out. I think you probably have to be closer to the mic, maybe.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, yeah, how's that, is that better?

Capn Tinsley:

That's better, yeah.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, well, yeah, it's a high performance cruising boat and it likes to go about seven knots, five to seven, and I'm sure it'll go a lot faster. I think I got it up to eight so far, but I haven't been in very strong winds yet.

Capn Tinsley:

And there's no motor.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, there's no motor.

Capn Tinsley:

That's why Pippa's not on the boat right.

Pippa:

There's so much work ahead of us.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, well, I prefer to sail without a motor. The ultimate force is without a motor, so I love to sail without a motor.

Pippa:

You're breaking up again.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah.

Christian Patrick:

Okay, what do you think of the window, or is that the mic?

Pippa:

I think it's where you're standing. So, what do?

Christian Patrick:

you think I need better reception?

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, there you go. That right there is good. I'm dying to hear what you're saying.

Pippa:

Keep it out from under the doghouse. It interferes, I think.

Christian Patrick:

Oh, I can go on the bow.

Capn Tinsley:

It might put him in the wind, I don't know.

Christian Patrick:

I don't know.

Pippa:

Well, while he's doing thatippa, tell it, tell, tell the folks where he got this boat, where you got this boat um well, originally he sent me the listing on ebay and this guy had been trying to sell it for months and he wanted an outrageous amount of money for it.

Capn Tinsley:

And then it came down to the wire. What's outrageous.

Pippa:

I think he wanted 50 grand.

Capn Tinsley:

Wow. And it was like no With no engine, so you're missing two engines. Basically right, yep Both of them.

Pippa:

Wow, they're just in. One is just in pieces sitting on top of the bunk and I walked inside and I'm like, oh okay, what else do we got here? It's a really great layout. It's just going to require a lot of work.

Christian Patrick:

So, tinsley, have you ever heard the saying two oars is one and one oar is none?

Capn Tinsley:

Say that again, two oars is.

Christian Patrick:

Two oars is one and one oar is none.

Christian Patrick:

No, I have not Tell me, it's from the adventure sailboat races where when you don't have a motor, you always need to have two oars because you'll lose one and then you'll end up with one, or you'll if you only have one, you'll lose it and then you'll have none. I see so that my philosophy is it's better to not have a motor at all, then you're not counting on it, because you're going to take risks uh, sailing and knowing that your motor can get you out of a bind. But if you know you don't have a motor, then you just don't take those risks you know you're gonna.

Christian Patrick:

It's just the way it's gonna stay no, no, I I want to move, but this is great training yeah yeah, you know what the bow can handle and you know what you can handle and, uh, and it's good to have have a backup plan for when the motor does fail and you're in a bump, know what you can do yeah, it's great training.

Capn Tinsley:

It's like here go at it, make it work. Just you know see how far you can get.

Pippa:

But I got to my. My issue is with the, the engines that are just sitting there dead and it's going to take a lot of a lot of muscle power to get it out. You know not not even thinking about fixing it. I'm just like that's going to be a real pain in the ass to get off the boat.

Capn Tinsley:

So you're going to have to probably get towed in somewhere. No, I mean you can't like, I mean you could, but you could sail right into a slip and we're running to get hauled out.

Christian Patrick:

No, we're going to sail onto our private beach Bastion and then beach the boat there at high tide, okay, and then, uh, yeah, we'll drag the motors out with I'll make a sled for them and you know the floors aren't really nice right now. Anyways, they need, they need work anyways. So we'll just carry it on a sled and then slide it.

Pippa:

Sure, he is MacGyver, he is absolutely MacGyver. That's so nice, that's so great. What was it? Oh, he's like oh, I couldn't get the mainsail up because this and this is missing. And then I'm like well, how are you going to fix that? And he took Allen wrenches to fix that and that's what he used to get the main sail up and running.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, you kind of have to be that way when you're a sailor, isn't that right? Exactly, yeah, well, okay, so let's see what other questions do I have here? You often say people need to learn to sail. I liked it when you said that.

Christian Patrick:

Why do you believe that's so important? Well, I think that the uh middle class is getting squashed. Um, actually, you know, in relation to the bahamas and I think the the us, it's happening mostly in the us and the bahamas is just kind of following along with what the us is doing.

Christian Patrick:

Uh, the, the, the inflation is getting crazy and then the jobs are getting lost to AI and automation. And people should first of all follow their dreams. If they have a dream to sail, they should do it now, while they still have some financial power and freedom to follow their dreams. And, who knows, it may be a way of life that's an alternative to capitalism a way of life, to live without having to be a wage slave.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, I had a guy on here one time that said he bought his boat during the COVID and he considered it kind of like the zombie apocalypse and so he said he wanted to get out away from everything. So he got a boat and that was his escape from the zombie apocalypse.

Pippa:

It was a good theory. Yeah, that tracks, that tracks, that tracks. Yeah, that tracks, that tracks, that tracks. I mean, it's sailing community is. It's very tight-knit, it's very different and there's, like I've noticed this weird rivalry between the powerboat bros and the sailors and like they're like oh, dirty boat, scum. And I just I don't get it. I mean, sailing is, is elegant and it's a sport and it's, you know, it requires a lot of brain power. You don't just turn it on and go woohoo, that's not how that works.

Capn Tinsley:

So right, it is two, two um areas of thought. Most definitely, um, I have a fast car but I have a slow boat and for some reason that's what I like, you know, because I mean there's an expression that, if you notice the like I live in gulf shores, orange beach, alabama, so there's a lot of boating, mostly power boaters, and they are in such a hurry, like they're just like. I mean, they're not talking or anything and they're on their way to a destination, but sailors are. Their destination is the journey, exactly. So it's just a different school of thought.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

But we need those power boaters whenever we need to get towed or something you know.

Pippa:

Yeah we just don't need that. We just don't need the snarky attitude. Yeah, and someone could pull me off the sandbar.

Capn Tinsley:

You know we need those guys so we all work well together. But, uh, yeah, so okay, um, so, yeah, uh, my, I have my boat set up like if the world ended. You know, I wanted it to be set up like if I had to exist on that boat and the world blew up or something. I would have everything I need, so the solar and the wind generator and the lithium batteries and all that good stuff. So I see you've got some solar. Is it all working? Oh, we lost them.

Christian Patrick:

Not working yet. Can you hear me Sort?

Pippa:

of. I'm betting they're not plugged in yet.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, so they're not quite working yet you could use that, you don't?

Christian Patrick:

have an engine to charge your batteries.

Pippa:

What are you doing?

Christian Patrick:

out there that's, I think. He left with two car batteries, three, yeah, fully charged, the last me like six months, wow. All I can do is charge my phone up every once in a while.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, I mean, when you don't have a lot on there, that's working, I guess yeah. So tell us about the free three-day sailing lessons. What made you decide to do that?

Christian Patrick:

three-day sailing lessons. What made you decide to do that? Well, I had a boat in New York City and I couldn't find a place to keep it, so that was under $3,000, and the nearest place that was more reasonable was like two hours drive. So I decided to just sail the boat around and kind of figure it out and keep it here and there. And I found a beach and that beach was really the first beach I went to. I tied the boat to a tree there.

Christian Patrick:

And then I ended up keeping the boat there for several months and and decided, hey, this is a really good spot. We should, um we should get more boats and start a free sailing school, um, because it's such a great spot.

Christian Patrick:

So basically, I found the spot and then the school came as a byproduct of it did you get any takers yeah, yeah, we have about 1600 uh members members in the New York City Freestyle School meetup and we started another one. Pippa and I started one in Florida and we have about how many members? About 100 or so. Almost yeah, yeah, we have about 100. And yeah, we do the seminars every month. Yeah, we have about 100. And yeah, we do the seminars every month. We've done about seven of them now in Florida and we have 30 consecutive ones, so you do some classroom work and then you take people out.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, yeah, we do classroom work, but it's about making it a sustainable preschool that can be replicated all over the world if there's interest.

Pippa:

It's more of a skill sharing. In my opinion, it's because we're not assigning them homework. It's like learning they need to do on their own or we can show them resources, but everyone kind of comes together and talks about their experiences and then Christian takes them out sailing on small cats.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, yeah, I give them professional lessons, but then, once they're able to sail on their own, we encourage them to sail our small boats on their own. And they learn a lot faster on their own than with an instructor.

Capn Tinsley:

Sure, so you have boats. You got some boats.

Christian Patrick:

Oh yeah, we have so many boats now. We have about six working boats and a bunch of project boats in Florida, working boats and a bunch of project boats in Florida and New York. We had about eight working boats and about 30 project boats.

Capn Tinsley:

So where is there is. So there's there at a specific location.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah yeah, we have a beach that we have access to with my friends.

Capn Tinsley:

Sebastian, I've heard of sebastian inlet, yeah, yeah, where where is that?

Christian Patrick:

yeah, it's just south of the inlet, on the uh mainland side of the bay in miami I know it's over north of bureau and south of uh of uh, orlando, okay, south of orlando, yeah, on the east coast, there between, basically between cape canaveral and west palm beach okay, it's so northern florida treasure coast okay, treasure okay.

Capn Tinsley:

So if somebody wanted to, they could just look you up on um where yeah, we're on meetup where yeah we're on Meetup, meetup, yeah, meetupcom.

Christian Patrick:

The website is meetupcom. Forward slash FFBL 2025. That's hard. Florida Free Boat Library.

Capn Tinsley:

I was going to try to put that in a banner, but I don't think I quite caught it. But let's see, give it to me one more time. Okay, meetupcom, okay, meetupcom.

Christian Patrick:

And then forward splash FFBL like boat library FFBL okay. And then 2025, 2025. 3025?

Capn Tinsley:

like library, ff, bl, okay. And then zero to five, three. Zero to five, so like the year 2025, okay. So let's see if I have this right. How's that? Oh yeah okay, so I don't know much about it, but he's got a free seminar, so go there if you want to learn about it.

Pippa:

I mean there's, I think, there, people be interested in that everybody comes out on Saturday We've got to go Friday in order to meet everybody and sort of. You know, we just talk about our experiences and you know, Christian kind of goes over some basics with them and asks you know, especially the new sailors, you know, why are you here, what do you, what do you want to get out of this? And, and then most of the rest of the time is just sailors telling stories, and I love to hear it. So, and then Saturday everybody gets out and you know they're working all day, sure, you know, clean up the beach, we camp out at night there and we usually do a movie night on Saturday nights, which is just sort of a thing we do now because it's fun and sort of community building after a long hard day. And then Sunday everybody just gets out and sails again until they're tired and go home.

Capn Tinsley:

Somebody just sent me a link on Instagram. What's that link about? Somebody oleenderline32. Before I pull that, link up.

Pippa:

Tell me what it is. I have no idea.

Capn Tinsley:

No well, you can't see it. It's over on Instagram, so let's see. All right, so what's the biggest mistake you see sailors making right now? I'm sure you've got an opinion.

Christian Patrick:

Oh yeah, let's hear it. I mean, I deal with new sailors all the time and everybody that comes to me wants like a 30-foot boat and that's their first boat.

Capn Tinsley:

A 30-foot. A 30-foot.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, a 30-foot or so Out of it. I try to tell them you know, start with a little boat. Learning how to sail first is the hardest to learn on a big boat. But they don't want to do that.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, we're catching every third word there. Why don't you tell me, pippa, I can hear you better.

Pippa:

We get a lot of new students that come in. They're not even students, they're at that point. It's sort of the community that he's building and they all want to learn to sail like a big 30 foot monohull because they want to live on it or something. But he's trying to teach them the basics because if you can get a feel for a small boat on the water, you're going to have a lot easier time on a big boat because you know the principles, you know the basics, you know how to get yourself out of trouble using just a little Hobie cat or something. That's how you learn and then you can do something else. But it's people that are trying to basically fly before they can even crawl Right, and that's not making a good sailor, that's just indulging. That's just indulging a wish.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, I think a good learning boat is like a Catalina 22. That's an excellent boat, yeah. But when I'm at somewhere, you you know, like in a marina somewhere, I'll you know how you get new people walking by, looking at all the boats and it's like, oh, this is what we want to do and they, oh great, what kind of you know we're getting a boat and what are you going to get? Oh, 50, and they've never sailed before. Yeah, yeah, that boat probably won't leave the dock you know, yeah, exactly.

Capn Tinsley:

I always tell people go small, go now.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, yeah, exactly. A lot of people wait until they hear what the take-take was about ready wish we could hear you.

Pippa:

I know we can't you gotta how about now?

Capn Tinsley:

it's just kind of breaking up a little bit yeah, now better. So here's a yeah, that's yeah, we can hear you. So here's a yeah, that's yeah, we can hear you. Now here's a comment from Instagram. Let's see. He says guy needs a hand promoting his participation next year after his rebuild of spirit. Is that the name of your boat? I must be talking about somebody else.

Pippa:

I don't really know what that's referring.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, he wrote a bunch of things out here, so I'm not sure what he means. Tell us what you mean, okay, so where were we?

Christian Patrick:

Well, I was thinking. Another mistake people make is they want to have all the wow before they go they want to have all the, what they want to have, all the driving, you know, people get so caught up in the gear that they forget to actually go sailing.

Capn Tinsley:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's why a little small boat is better to start on everyone's like oh yeah, and without all the, you don't need really a lot of upgrades like, look at you right now well, yeah, that's my point.

Christian Patrick:

Uh, you want to, you want to fail, simply. And then, when you add complicated systems, you know how to appreciate them. You know the difference between the complicated system and the alternative, which the alternative is let's have a mast that sticks up in the air, puts the sails on it, have a rudder that steers, and that's basically all you need right.

Capn Tinsley:

The more stuff you have, the more it'll break yeah yeah, and it's sure to break yeah, yeah, exactly I mean, just look at our cars.

Pippa:

They're basically only made the last 10 years now, before everything just starts to break down and your hoses and all that other stuff. Like these boats, though, aside from the moving parts, they're built. They're built to last, right. So the less you have to maintain and manage, the better off you're going to be, because we all know that a boat is because we all know that a boat is, you know, projects underway. Yeah, that never happens.

Capn Tinsley:

So we know, so tell me when, pippa, you're going to be ready to get on that boat with them Soon.

Pippa:

I guess we're just going to get it ready for next month and then start working on it and then, you know, as soon as it's habitable, at least for this little princess here, then take it on out.

Capn Tinsley:

He looks okay, though he looks. Yeah, he loves this stuff.

Pippa:

The harder it is, the more he loves it.

Capn Tinsley:

Are you retired Christian?

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, mostly, mostly.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, yeah, I still work, but luckily my job allows me to kind of work mostly from wherever, mostly. But so how long are you going to be in the Keys there, christian, with your boat?

Christian Patrick:

Well, I don't know.

Pippa:

Something about a headwind. That's all I got.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Pippa:

Man.

Capn Tinsley:

I hate that we're having these audio issues, because I really want to hear what you have to say.

Christian Patrick:

Oh, I don't know what my phone. I guess we should have tested the mic before.

Capn Tinsley:

Maybe it's your service there. Yeah, I think it's the signal? Yeah, I think so yeah like you'll be talking.

Christian Patrick:

All of a sudden it starts getting real choppy. Oh okay, let me. Let me see if I can change my server real quick.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, in the meantime, peppa, peppa can tell me the answer to that. I can hear you, I do hear all the. I hear all the bugs behind you.

Pippa:

Oh no.

Capn Tinsley:

They're coming in. I put you up. I did some, I just I put it on. I put reduced background noise. That helped for a minute.

Pippa:

But anyway, go ahead. I forgot what we were talking about.

Capn Tinsley:

How long is he going to be in the Keys?

Pippa:

Oh, I think well, and get it moved over to Sebastian. So he's been actively doing that only, I guess about three days now. He kind of went down. He did one leg already by himself, and then I had to come up here and take care of some stuff, and then now your mic's not on.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, I did that because there's a lot of noise.

Pippa:

So he's, I'll turn it back on when he's ready to talk but yeah, so he's, he's been doing that, um, but he had to scramble and run back and run the seminar and I couldn't be there this time. First one I the first one I've missed and I just had too many things that I had to take care of and I had to miss it and it sucks.

Capn Tinsley:

How long have you all been doing those seminars?

Pippa:

Since March, and before that since last August, we've been running around the United States picking up boats that have been donated so that we could use them to start this up. Boats that have been donated so that we could use them to start this up, and I think the furthest we went, we went to Detroit to pick up a Hobie. So the Hobie Bravo is what he really likes to teach on, because they're small, they're compact, they're one piece, they're pretty much indestructible. Okay, yeah, we spent months running around picking those up and getting everything in place because he didn't want to take away from the New York school just because they've grown so big and they're self-sufficient now, and we didn't want to take anything away from them. So we went and got more boats and started another one.

Capn Tinsley:

That is great, so that one's going good. Huh Yep Up in New York.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, yeah, they're on their own. I'm no longer a part of that, but they're still active and they're still teaching, sailing and having weekly get-togethers, as far as I know.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, and now do you? You said you, you said you, you're professionally, you're giving professional lessons. Are you certified to be an instructor or because it's free, they, you don't have to have that right, right, no, I don't have any certifications, um, just my own experience, um, and which is great, yeah it.

Christian Patrick:

I tell everybody that they should learn from as many instructors as possible and find the type of instructor that resonates with them the most and stick to them, and also read books and learn from videos. And the best way to learn is to just get enough. Get enough knowledge from an instructor as quickly as possible so you can just go out there and sail on your own and then you learn, then you take an interest in it because it's it's relevant to what you're doing and you just start searching for knowledge in other, in all different ways, as many ways as you can.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, even after I took ASA 101, 103, and 104, I really learned a lot just by getting out there.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Pippa:

There's nothing better teacher than doing and as long as you have, i't know, training wheels. Basically, then and that's what the group is about is everybody's. You know, nobody's out there by themselves. That's kind of the so that we're all there as a community to watch each other and help each other, and that's. I think that's done a lot for these people. For all of us to be able to have access to these boats and be part of a community and learn from each other is amazing.

Capn Tinsley:

I was trying to block those bugs out. It's dinner time. Okay, sorry, I'm trying to cough.

Pippa:

Cicadas are out here screaming.

Capn Tinsley:

That's it. That's what I was trying to think of. What do you think about the social media? Do you think it glamorizes sailing?

Pippa:

for sure it, it can, but I see enough. I see enough people that are out there showing reality like, yes, it's not all wine and cheese and sunsets. Sometimes there's overflowing heads, stuff breaks, there's close calls, I mean all kinds of problems, and I really appreciate the people that show that that type of thing, because it's not all sunset cruises and happiness. There's weird tension when you have, you know, trying to anchor or trying to dock, and I never experienced that before so I didn't know what to do with it.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, you can watch that when you, if you sit in the marina and watch couples coming in and out of the dock, that's when you really test your relationship.

Pippa:

I've just kind of taken it in stride, Like when we were going through the locks. I'd never been through the locks before. I didn't know. How cool is it that you can call the bridge and be like hello, I would like you to open this bridge for me please. That was a lot of fun. I had no idea what I was doing and he gave me the tools to do this and said here you go, do it how you want, but this is how you should do it, this is how it's expected. And then when we got to some of those Are you talking about Christian?

Pippa:

He gave you the tools.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, yeah, yeah.

Pippa:

And when we were going through the locks where they you raise it up or down, um, it was a scramble, you know. The first time he was like you gotta grab this rope. No, grab it this way. That was a little stressful it can get a little tense.

Pippa:

I didn't know, I had no idea. But as long as you're open to, I mean mean, yeah, that's his ship, he's the captain, he makes the rules. I just have to support him and believe that he knows best in what he's doing and, so far, 100% success rate of keeping my dumb ass alive.

Capn Tinsley:

So yeah, you know, my husband was really bad about it at first. He would we'd be coming in and he'd start yelling things at me and I'm, I'm driving the boat, you know, and and I finally had to just pull up short outside of whatever marina we're coming into and I'd say now it's the time for questions, comments and suggestions. Once we get in there, no, and I go. Do you have anything to say? And he goes no. Soon as we get in there, no more. And so and of course he still did it a little bit he got much better just to trust me, because he would go do you see that pole? I go, I'm at it. So it is a learning process for the person that's not driving has to learn to trust you. And you know, when we didn't hit a bunch of boats all the time, he finally learned to trust me.

Capn Tinsley:

But yeah, if you want to entertainment, you can go to a launch or something and watch people how they fuss over, it turns into some pretty tense moments.

Pippa:

There have been a few times where he's been scrambling and I didn't understand what the situation was and I just, you know he's like I need your help to do this, this. And okay, I have no idea what I'm doing, but, yes, here are my hands and, you know, 10 minutes later he was like wow, we were really in trouble there. And I'm like, no, you handled it fine, everything went. You know, I clueless, absolutely clueless, but you know, every situation we've gotten in, we've gotten out of so far, and how are your skills now?

Pippa:

they're better than they were still not really. Still not really where I would like them to be, but there's no better teacher than doing yeah, I mean you.

Capn Tinsley:

I at least the basics. If he was to fall off the boat, would you be able to turn the boat around and go back, you know? Those are some basics that you have to learn.

Pippa:

Yeah, but sometimes I do think about that scene in Battleship where they throw out the anchors and swing around like it's Fast and furious, like yeah, I can't do that, but I want to.

Capn Tinsley:

All right, well, okay. Um. So what's one opinion, christian? Hopefully we'll be able to hear your answer. What's one opinion about sailing that most people won't agree with? What's one opinion of yours?

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, well, gosh, what can we talk about here?

Capn Tinsley:

I'm trying to get you to get fired up, like in your videos.

Christian Patrick:

Okay, well, sailing is better suited to poor people than rich people, because you have to be able to fix things and interested in fixing things. And you have to have a lot of free time. So those are two things that rich people don't really have.

Capn Tinsley:

You think poor people have time? Well, oh God. The people working two jobs for three hours? Well, yeah, they do better off. But, you're probably right, they have the skills. A lot of times they'll have the skills to be able to work on their own boat Is. But you're probably right, they have the skills. A lot of times they'll have the skills to be able to work on their own boat. Is that what you mean? Yeah, sure, yeah, the interest I think they have the will more. Okay.

Pippa:

All right, but yeah, sailing shouldn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. This is one of the oldest methods of transportation and the fact that it has been, I don't know, hoarded or gatekept by the wealthy just doesn't make sense to me.

Capn Tinsley:

You mean like the anchor laws and all that stuff in Florida.

Pippa:

You mean like the anchor laws and all that stuff in Florida. Not just that, but the fact that some people again coming back to the if this is a $100,000 boat and I don't have matching shirts and all the gear, no, no, you just get on the boat and go.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, yeah.

Pippa:

It's about the adventure, it's not the destination.

Capn Tinsley:

Right.

Pippa:

Like you said.

Capn Tinsley:

Well, I think I've noticed that, even with sailors, as opposed to power boaters, that it just seems like they blend well together. You know, whether they're on a $300 boat or a 500 000 boat or a 50 000 boat, um, I think people have been, are willing to help each other, and I've had people you know I can help you with that. You know that kind of thing because I'm not a mechanic, I have a credit card, I can do anything on a boat. I can operate, I can, sail, I can. I'm very techie, you know. But as far as like fixing the engine, um, I've learned a lot, but it's not my forte.

Capn Tinsley:

So they're very lucky to have this, this man here that knows how to MacGyver everything, and my husband wasn't either. He's more of a. We were both kind of white-collar workers, you know we could do all kinds of stuff with a computer, but apparently that's a different part of the mind. I've noticed that all the guys that fix boats don't know how to operate their phone very well. It must be two parts of the brain. Or guys that can build a house, they can't use a computer, it just must be. Now, christian might be all those things, I don't know, he's a little bit of a Luddite, just a little bit. Are you the one that does the social media and everything? Well, he does social media. I know that he does.

Pippa:

Yeah, he does his own, but I also run like a different channel, which is just kind of. It became a joke, because every time I hear somebody, hey, christian, and then there's this long, complicated question and he always, always answers them. Wow. So I just started a channel that was basically him sailing tips or tying knots or you know silly stuff, the stuff that he doesn't really think about, because he just gets on and uses it basically as a personal diary, which is great.

Capn Tinsley:

He does All right. Is there a sailing skill you think is overlooked but absolutely essential?

Christian Patrick:

It might be to fix stuff right uh, yeah, yeah, I think I think knots are really useful. Um, I just if you could just put them all into like one category of just like rigging stuff. You got to be able to rig stuff, you know you got to be able to to bypass a system and look at it big picture and make it work. You know, like, simplify, simplify. You know, like I, if I had enough money to have a brand new boat, everything would work perfectly. But these, these old boats, like this boat's from 1994 and it has a lot of complicated systems on it and all this and most of those systems are are not working. So when I came on this boat, I had to simplify so many things to make the operation.

Capn Tinsley:

Are you going to have to replace a lot?

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, so far the boat works the way I need it to. I just need a motor. I've got a plan for that. But as far as all the for that and uh, but as far as, as far as all the systems that work on the boat, it all, it all works, Um, and it's just now. It's just organizing it and making it clean and um, and then you know, like you said, you know, if there's a zombie apocalypse, I have to be ready tomorrow or today. That's my philosophy Be ready as quickly as possible, because this boat is not just a boat, it's a deep route, it's cooperative.

Capn Tinsley:

And it's got to be Pippa ready. That's her number one goal, right.

Pippa:

Pippa ready. He'll get it close enough that I can manage.

Capn Tinsley:

That's funny. Okay, so here's some rapid fire ones here. I think I know the answer to this one Bahamas or Caribbean.

Christian Patrick:

Oh, um Caribbean.

Capn Tinsley:

Monohull or catamaran oh catamaran, cat, alright, I like both, but I prefer Mono hole or catamaran oh catamaran, of course.

Pippa:

Cat. All right, I mean I like both, but I prefer. I find I prefer being on a cat, just for the stability.

Christian Patrick:

A little more comfortable. Yeah, what about you?

Capn Tinsley:

What about what? What about you? Well, I'm a traditionalist, so I've got an island pack at 320. It's a mono hole.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, you never tried a multi-hull.

Capn Tinsley:

I've been on them, but I've never. You know, for a lot of people they get priced out, unless you buy a $2,000 boat on eBay.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

Then you got to have some skills to fix it up. But catamarans are kind of hard to park. You know, if you're going to be in a marina, there's double everything. You've got two motors and two whatever is in those cabins? You know heads and multiple heads and all that stuff.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, yeah also, monohulls are better.

Capn Tinsley:

Is that right? That makes sense.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, monohulls can go closer upwind.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, but they're very comfortable, like if you're hanging out in the Bahamas. We'll just put those fees aside. That's a very comfortable place to live for the next six months, you know, you know, in a in a catamaran, yeah, but so it could be an issue of pricing people out. Catamarans are just super, super expensive, you know, even if they're not brand new. But if you've got your situation where you've got something that you can fix yourself, that's a different situation. You were able to take advantage of that. That's pretty great.

Pippa:

I have seen a lot of people lately. I mean, I don't know if it's just because the content is being pushed towards me too because of interaction, but a lot of people are buying boats to live on them and they're fixing them and it's uh, it's been amazing to see that and realize that there's just this whole other I don't know like culture yeah, it's a whole community, you know yeah, and that they're almost always welcoming to these new people.

Pippa:

they're like this is so great, I can't wait to see you out there. Do you need any help? It's just been an incredible thing to stumble upon.

Capn Tinsley:

Yes, and even power boaters have been very generous with me. I've just found the whole boating community Now. I don't like them when they you know, when I'm going down the ICW on the west coast of Florida and these big old things come out of nowhere and they just I'm just sitting there like I'm trying not to land in the shallow water that's just to the right of the channel.

Pippa:

Some of them are pretty rude, but even power boaters can be very generous with their time and you know that kind of thing I just don't like the ones that are, uh, drinking maker's park and you know, at noon and saying, oh, we really need to get back on the boat and, uh, we're gonna all, they're gonna drive, they're gonna drive after just slamming like half a bottle of maker's Bark, I'm like, yeah, I don't want to be on the water with those people.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, there's those out there. Sure, Okay, favorite anchorage so far.

Christian Patrick:

Wow, man Gosh.

Capn Tinsley:

Sometimes it's hard to choose. Yeah, I like Newfound Harbor. I like that. Are you heading south? Are you going to be going towards that?

Christian Patrick:

No, I'm heading north right now, okay, but yeah, we'll head down to Cancun, probably next.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, stop off at Newfound Harbor. It's by Ramrod Key.

Christian Patrick:

Oh yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

Beautiful anchorage. Okay, yeah, beautiful, oh okay, harbors by ramrod key, oh yeah beautiful anchorage.

Christian Patrick:

Okay, yeah, beautiful.

Capn Tinsley:

Oh okay, I'll check it out yeah, there's quite a few stops right there. Um, on that on that atlantic side, and on the inside too. Okay, you're, how much water do you draw?

Christian Patrick:

three and a half that's amazing water.

Capn Tinsley:

do you draw Three and a half? That's amazing. I'm 4'2, 5".

Christian Patrick:

Oh okay.

Pippa:

That's pretty shallow for a monohull right.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, it's a full keel.

Christian Patrick:

Oh.

Capn Tinsley:

So, yeah it's a blue water boat, but I can go to the Bahamas too, you know. Yeah, yeah.

Pippa:

So I did like the. Where were we? Was it Umbrella Cay, right outside of there. That was really pretty. It was just Where's that? It was quiet in the Bahamas Okay.

Capn Tinsley:

Is that the?

Pippa:

right place.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, where's it close?

Christian Patrick:

to that was in the Abacos. Okay, yeah, I think it was by what do you say? It was? It was by our grandkid, I think grandkid okay yeah, and foxtown, near foxtown, you know, uh one of those barrier islands to the north of Marsh Harbor.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, okay, this guy said quiet. Dreamboat under 40 feet. Oh man.

Christian Patrick:

I got it. I got it for $2,000 on eBay.

Capn Tinsley:

Seriously, that's got to be very satisfying.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

Any problems getting insurance?

Christian Patrick:

No problem at all, I don't need it. You self-insure when the boat's $2,000,. You self-insure.

Capn Tinsley:

That's true. It's going to be worth more someday, though, right.

Christian Patrick:

Absolutely.

Capn Tinsley:

It's probably worth more now. Anyway, one sailing gadget you actually trust my iphone worst sailing habit.

Christian Patrick:

You see, people do oh, oh, gosh um this will make you think yeah, um steer to the compass. When people steer to the compass, sometimes you it has like a lag and you end up like doing a 360 sometimes interesting.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, so to the old-fashioned compass, right the yeah okay, you can end up doing it like a big wide circle or something.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, start chasing the numbers, right, and you're not looking outside at your references and you start turning in a circle.

Capn Tinsley:

Wow Okay, beer, rum or coffee at Anchor.

Christian Patrick:

I'll let Pip answer that one. I'll let Pippa answer that one.

Pippa:

This man drinks nothing but herbal tea, no caffeine, no alcohol, nothing.

Capn Tinsley:

I don't do any of that stuff either, but I do drink caffeine. That's my one thing.

Pippa:

For me it's if I've been out too long and I want a Dr Pepper. I want a dr pepper very, very badly okay that's, that's my advice.

Capn Tinsley:

That's it. Huh, okay, that's, I like that answer always, you're always uh, you're always, uh, paying attention when you just drink dr pepper. One word, one word to describe sailing life Freedom, perfect. That's a good way to end it right there, because you have a video that's sailing equals freedom. That's perfect, All right. Well, that's it. That's all the questions I have. How about you guys? Anything you want to say, Tell people out there. We haven't had a lot of questions, but there'll be people you know more people watching in the replay.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah.

Capn Tinsley:

So anything you want to say to people, get out there, go sailing. Everybody, learn to sail, screw the Bahamas. Whatever you want to say, yeah.

Pippa:

Go ahead. Whatever you want to say, yeah, go ahead. I'm just going to say that if you ever wanted something and you've thought about it, then if not now, when? Just do it. Get out there, start, start, small, start somewhere. Just go, make steps to make your dream real. Don't just sit there and wish and hope.

Capn Tinsley:

Someday. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, and we're proving that we can even do it. There's some jobs that allow for it, even before you retire. Yep, all right. Well, that's it, you guys. So we're going to want an update on that boat. And what do you call those bugs? Again, I always forget. What are those bugs in your back? Cicadas, cicadas. Yeah, they are on fire tonight, aren't they?

Pippa:

It's like there's the woods of South Carolina.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, we have them here too, and I love that sunset behind you, patrick, that is awesome, that is beautiful. Let's see it, let's see. Can you kind of show us what's around you there? Got the kayak? Is that the kayak there?

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, I got my kayaks here you got two of them. Huh, the kayak with the holes.

Capn Tinsley:

Yeah, I got my kayaks here. You got two of them. Huh, the kayak with the holes. Yeah, part of the $2,000. No, those are yours, okay.

Christian Patrick:

No, yeah, $50 kayaks. They always have a problem with them. You know, got holes in them. Oh, that's great. Got my big fortress, that's great Is that with the trampoline is that you're sitting on the.

Capn Tinsley:

Is that what you call it? Yeah, I'm on the trampoline. Yeah, yeah, it's catamaran. Talk the trampoline alright guys. Well, thank you so much. Y'all look great thank you for having us. Your cameras are looking good, you guys are looking healthy, you're looking happy. I appreciate you guys coming on and we'll see you again. I'm going to be down. You're going north, though, so you guys aren't going to be in the Keys like in October, november.

Christian Patrick:

Yeah, maybe you're going to get it fixed before then yeah, we're going to get it all fixed and then sail back down to, probably to the Keys and then decide if we're going to go east or west. Okay, we might go west and then go to Cancun first.

Capn Tinsley:

Okay, All right.

Christian Patrick:

well, maybe we'll pass in the keys yeah, we never have a plan, because um, we just don't we're very uh we just don't, yeah, we just don't.

Capn Tinsley:

Uh, you know, when there are plans, to think if this plan is so bad, it must be one of ours, all right, and with that we will say goodnight and thank you so much, guys, and we'll see you. We'll see you soon, salty abandon, thank you.

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