Catching up with Sailing Jeep in Georgetown, Bahamas! | Salty Podcast #92

Georgetown, Exuma has a reputation among sailors and cruisers, but the real story is how it feels when you drop anchor and start meeting people. From Stocking Island, we sit down with Kurt Allmeyer of the 46-foot catamaran “Sailing Jeep” for a candid update on day-to-day life in Georgetown, why the anchorage can feel unusually safe, and how a tight cruising community changes everything. If you’re planning an Exumas sailing trip, this is the kind of on-the-water perspective you can’t get from a brochure. 

We talk about the practical stuff cruisers actually care about: where the good gathering spots are, what food is worth the stop, and how trust works in a small town where everyone learns your name fast. Kurt explains the local culture in one line that says it all: rude sailors don’t get welcomed, and that shared standard keeps the vibe light, social, and fun. We also dig into events and traditions, including the buzz around the Family Island Regatta and why Georgetown becomes a magnet during the season. 

Then we get real about cruising logistics in the Bahamas: anchoring through big wind forecasts, provisioning when inventory is hit-or-miss, and why shipping a dinghy can take weeks thanks to verification, weather, and missed mail boats. Kurt also shares a tense seamanship story about losing power and electronics at night and still getting the boat through safely, plus his plan for heading north with tide-timed cuts and offshore fishing for mahi. 

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Transcript

Captain Tinsley Catches up with Curt of Sailing Jeep

Tinsley 0:02

This is Captain Tinsley, Salty Abandon, and this is an update episode of Curt. Tell us who you are.

Curt 0:11

Hi, I'm Curt Allmeyer. On the boat 46 foot catamaran, the sailing jeep.

Tinsley 0:17

Sailing Jeep. And where'd that name come from?

Curt 0:19

I jeep and I sail. That's pretty much so. During non-hurricane season, I'm out sailing, and during hurricane season I take the jeep and we'll climb mountains.

Tinsley 0:27

That's cool. Okay, so where are we right now?

Curt 0:30

We are in the Exumas on Stocking Island, actually, on the Atlantic side.

Tinsley 0:35

Yeah, we're on the west side. So I interviewed you in February. It was episode 88.

Curt 0:40

Yeah.

Tinsley 0:40

So you have been here since when?

Curt 0:43

I got to Georgetown. I can't remember the exact date. I got to the Bahamas is December 19th. I can't remember the exact date that I got to here. I think it was about six weeks after.

Tinsley 0:54

What do you think? This is your is this your first time?

Curt 0:56

In Georgetown, yeah. I love it.

Tinsley 0:58

What do you think?

Curt 0:59

I love it. The people are awesome. It's an amazing community. It's extremely safe. People are very safe to be around. You don't have to lock your doors all the time. You just don't like you.

Tinsley 1:09

You don't lock your boat.

Curt 1:10

Yep.

Tinsley 1:11

And when I first got here, was that a couple weeks ago? At some point you walked around and showed me where to get the fresh water at the dinghy dock and number one gas with no water or less water. Number two gas. There's a little bit of water.

Curt 1:27

You can learn this town and area within I would say a week, no problem. If you're pursuing up and move around, you know, obviously I was here before you and we knew each other, so but I showed up on on my own. I didn't know anybody here when I got here.

Tinsley 1:42

It's amazing because we were walking around, you seemed like you knew everybody.

Curt 1:45

I do now.

Tinsley 1:45

Locust too. Nope. What was the lady's name at Island Boy Cafe?

Curt 1:52

Lori.

Tinsley 1:52

And what were you telling me about her?

First Impressions Of Georgetown Exuma

Curt 1:54

Just out of everybody I trust her the most. She's been around quite a long time and everybody seems to know her really well. Yeah, I mean, when you ask questions, so she doesn't seem to give you a a beat answer of, oh, this is my best friend, so the best at this. She'll flat out tell you, they're they're a very good friend of mine, but even this person instead.

Tinsley 2:15

Okay, so that is Lori at Island Boy Cafe, which is right there across from EYC Exuma Yacht Club. Yep. Okay, and uh what what do you think is the best food?

Curt 2:26

They they probably have the best quick bar food. I love EYC, the yacht club. I like their food, the flavoring, I guess. Coconut shrimp, it seems like the only place I can find it, and so it's one of my favorite foods, and they have sushi there.

Tinsley 2:39

I think so for I've only had two things there, but the sushi and the jerk chicken rice full. Yep. Very good.

Curt 2:46

Yeah. Amazing food. They use a lot of the same flavoring. I've noticed some a lot of their food, but I like the flavoring so one thing they have your fright won't like it all.

Tinsley 2:56

So, what would you say is your favorite thing about Georgetown as opposed to some of the other places you've been so far?

Curt 3:02

Each island has its own thing. I mean, I wish there was more marine life here.

Tinsley 3:06

Yeah. What's up with that?

Curt 3:08

I don't know. They uh talking to some people that used to have quite a bit of it. They they they used to have, you know, 30, 40 turtles that were constantly around the entrance to Georgetown, and they just kind of the more people come, the more it could be more tourist stuff floating in the water, I guess, pushing them out.

Tinsley 3:24

That's a shame.

Curt 3:25

You know, I don't think they really know either. Any of the couple people. So, but they said there used to be a lot more here.

Tinsley 3:32

It couldn't be an overfishing thing. There's not that many people. I mean, even that live on the island.

Curt 3:37

I don't think it's an over I don't know. I don't see people fishing that much out in the water right out right out here between you know the the two elbows of all. So unless I'm just not watching that good.

Tinsley 3:49

So what what do you think about the cruisers you've met? You can't you you came here with no one nobody.

Curt 3:54

Yeah. Everybody's pretty awesome. I love the the sailing community here, it's really cool. Now it's kind of died off, but previous the past three months or whatever it's been almost an everyday thing. They have something going on, whether it was dingy runs or they had a dinghy parade one day. You know, it was just non-stop. They get together, they have a dog day for the cruises that have dogs. And the other animal day. I didn't go to that, so I don't know exactly what they did, but pretty sure it was dog day, and everybody just got to a certain beach and let all their dogs run around and play together and stuff. And they have kids' days and kids things that go on, and some mornings that that I would listen to the to the net in the morning, it seems like they let the kids get involved if there's any kids out there that will tell one joke.

Tinsley 4:38

Yeah. I don't think there's that many of them here right now, do you?

Curt 4:41

No, it's kind of died off over the past two weeks. Here it's really slowed down a lot. So the peep that I was here uh that I remember was 438 votes they had or something.

Tinsley 4:52

How many are here right now, you think?

Curt 4:54

I don't know without look. I haven't looked at the screen. You can you can check online and they got like a little ticker that they update once in a while. And on the Zuma Sailors page, there's a little ticker there. I don't know if they're still doing because a lot of the people have left.

Tinsley 5:06

Okay, and I just heard on the radio just like a few minutes ago, they're doing karaoke on one of the beaches.

Curt 5:12

Yeah, yeah. Among other things. I can't remember where that's at tonight.

Tinsley 5:15

I said, Come on out, we got the bar, we got the it's there's something every day going on. Did you say sailors are kind of like good time people?

Curt 5:23

Yeah, everybody tries to get it seems like they kind of start tailoring down, except on like poker run night when obviously that takes all day to do, but if they get together on the island, it's three, four hours. Start at four, three, four o'clock, and you can try to get home by sundown.

Tinsley 5:38

So when are you leaving? You're gonna try to leave Thursday.

Curt 5:41

Try to leave Thursday. We got heavy winds coming tomorrow. It's all over on what how heavy the winds are gonna be. I've heard up to 40 knots. I don't know if it's gonna be that bad or not. It was supposed to be windy at the low lids.

Tinsley 5:53

I heard up to 30.

Curt 5:54

Okay. I've heard 25 and I've heard 40, and so it's so it's gonna be somewhere in between there.

Tinsley 6:00

And you're your boat, you're an anchor.

Curt 6:01

Yep. Yep.

Tinsley 6:03

And you we were just talking about that, how you say, Oh, do you like the dock? And I was like, Well, I've been through a hurricane. I guess it's how much you trust your anchor, right?

Food Spots And Local Trust

Curt 6:12

Yeah, yeah, I trust my anchor more than other people tying up a docks, I guess. Yeah. My boat flows pretty good in the winds and waves too. So for a catamaran, it flows pretty well. So I don't get a lot of slapping noise on there, so that only seems to happen right after I fall asleep. Somebody hit me. So I don't I don't get too much slap noise while I'm at anchor. I do whatever going, but not at anchor, I don't seem to get it as much as I was expecting.

Tinsley 6:41

So your favorite thing about Georgetown and your least favorite?

Curt 6:46

Least favorite is the low amount of aquarium life. Like I like to dive, I like to go down, and so there's not as much here. All the other islands we stopped at, and it was islands that were full of turtles or sharks or different stuff. They have a few stingrays here and stuff, but they're just right on shore anyway, so you can't really dive down with them and stuff.

Tinsley 7:05

I've seen them, I saw them in the marina across the way. And there was a turtle that kind of came out every day, too.

Curt 7:10

Yeah, yeah. I saw a baby baby sea turtle yesterday. He was about the size of the basketball's all sorts. Everybody's super helpful. We slipped one once at anchor, yeah, and I think within three, four minutes there's probably five DVs out there helping. That's nice. So, yeah, I mean it just everybody, even in strong, are very responsive and helpful. So that's probably my favorite. You get to these other islands and they don't there seem like they're more tourist boats to you know, just doing their own thing, they won't care.

Tinsley 7:43

So you think that the ones that come here, and that's why I'm here, because I heard that from talking to people like yourself. Yeah, how help everybody, and and that has certainly been my experience.

Curt 7:55

It's been amazing. I wish they had a little better getting supplies here in town, you know, grounds arena isn't bad. They kind of have hit or miss on what they have. Some stuff they have, I think, way overstocked, and some stuff that people use, you know, certain fuses and stuff. It's really hard to get here in town.

Tinsley 8:11

So, did you have any challenges shipping things in? Have you shipped anything in?

Curt 8:15

My dinghy was it took me about four or five weeks, I can't remember, to get it here.

Tinsley 8:21

Wow.

Curt 8:21

So from NASA.

Tinsley 8:23

It shipped to Nassau.

Curt 8:24

From it all they I bought in NASA. I bought it from from NASA. They carry a lot of dinghies and people said to contact and you were here. And I was here, yeah. And so it was the first thing was getting all the purchasing stuff through. So that it was a couple days, which I get that was a couple days of previewing they had to cut they wanted to contact my bank. Yeah, I can't remember all this. I buy so much stuff I can't remember what we went through. There was a three two, three days of verifying who I was and my cards and stuff, and then they missed the first mail ship the first week, which I don't know how they did, and then they had to wait, and then the mail ship wasn't coming the following week because of winds, and it was just uh Yeah, basically everything shifted the Bahamas.

Tinsley 9:08

Maybe not the dinghy, but so there's it gets it gets a little pricey because of that. And right now they're everybody's excited about the regatta.

Curt 9:19

Yes. That is this is the 70th 70th year. It's called the family. It's family something regatta, I think. There's another word in there they use, but it's all self-made boats, so they have to make them themselves and put them together in the ship. I believe just got here this morning with a bunch of them on there.

Tinsley 9:36

Saw that. There's some signs up there that say A, B, and C, the classes, and the winter since 1954. And it tells what islands they're from, and they're all from the Bahamas. So it is a local stain, right?

Curt 9:50

Yeah, somebody told me there's people that do bring in their boats from overseas. You know, I don't know if they just aren't I mean, these guys have been doing this their whole life, so you know, I think they I think some people that have came through here just want to join it just to join it. Then they've cut somebody over at home and bring a few people back and come sail. And you know, these guys have a little more into their hard bumps. They've been doing it since they were a kid.

Tinsley 10:14

A little wind doesn't bother them, just you know, and it's supposed to we'll see, tomorrow.

Curt 10:19

Tomorrow it starts, I believe, right? Then tomorrow is gonna be 21st. Tomorrow, yeah. Yeah. So tomorrow will be interesting to watch the race with uh the supposed whippers that we could be on this.

Tinsley 10:29

Yeah. And where and do you know their route? I haven't checked the website or I haven't looked at it either.

Cruiser Culture And Daily Events

Curt 10:33

I know they gotta be going in between Georgetown and here exactly because they right when you got here, they were just pulled an excavator was in the group in the water in the middle of the in the middle of the water, and they had a big balloon showing where it was for anybody on the boat. It fell off the barge and excavator dis. And so they pulled that out the other night. I watched them full it they took them two days to get the water.

Tinsley 10:55

It fell in the water.

Curt 10:57

It was in between it was right in the middle of the between here and George Dells, right in the center. They had a big white ball that was showing where it was at, and then yeah, they just pulled it out within the last couple weeks. You must have either just got here or been here or whatever, but they know it took them two days to get it in.

Tinsley 11:11

Well, what else can you say about the people you've met here?

Curt 11:16

It's pretty amazing how rude sailors are not gonna be welcome out.

Tinsley 11:21

I like that. Rude sailors are not welcome in Georgetown.

Curt 11:25

They might come in, but people are gonna know who you are in two seconds, and you're not gonna be it's not gonna be a warm welcome at bars and stuff for you or gatherings and stuff.

Tinsley 11:36

So what do you think? How do they get the message?

Curt 11:40

Just show up one day and you're gonna learn your attitude. You're gonna or it's not really quick. It's uh you gotta come here and be friendly, yeah, and want to have fun.

Tinsley 11:49

That's great to hear.

Curt 11:51

The thing I like too is a lot of people here aren't into the politics. So even I think Island Boy, they have a sign they flip on, and people get a little tense. They have a sign that they turn on and it's like oh, we need one. I've only seen it once, and I can't remember what it said, but it said something like no rudeness, only happiness, or something. I can't remember what it is, but they turn something sign on.

Tinsley 12:11

So the conversation goes the wrong direction, they're coming down the wrong path.

Curt 12:15

Yeah, they're politely telling you to be quiet.

Tinsley 12:17

And that'd be Lori doing that.

Curt 12:19

Yeah, when the gals behind the bar will turn it on if they feel like something's getting out of hand. So it's it's a great community. I really have uh found it helpful and have you learned a lot since you've been here? Yeah. Yeah. We've got a lot of crap go wrong, so it's a boat. Yeah, it's I've learned a lot, you know, especially when I lost all electronics and everything and motors and learned how to sail at night and under storms and stuff.

Tinsley 12:42

So remember you talking about that.

Curt 12:45

Yeah, I had my plot kind of memorized in my head, so I knew how soon I had to turn before we had land and stuff, but we had nothing. We we just went until daylight. I didn't have a choice because I knew I was kind of in shipping channels, and so I couldn't just keep I had no lights, I couldn't even show you that I was or anything. So I had no power. Nothing. So but we just kept going. I knew within three to four hours I had to turn. So I knew at five hours I was gonna potentially hit lane, so I just trained hell and a half.

Tinsley 13:15

It's like Captain Ron. When you get to that island, you make a left.

Curt 13:19

It felt like it because where we were aiming was I had to aim for a little hole between two islands, and but somehow I made it through. So I was I was happy. So the only thing I had is we when I got close, I had a little beacon, and somebody on land was watching my beacon deal, and he could kind of see where I was on the map. So that helped a little bit.

Tinsley 13:41

Are you gonna come back?

Curt 13:42

Oh yeah, yeah, we're coming back next year. We'll probably won't stay here as long in Georgetown, but we'll do a month, two months here.

Tinsley 13:50

What do you think your ideal month would be to come here?

Curt 13:53

So I've been told if you come down, if you can get away in November, if you can kind of get down here in D year, November, December, the January is when it kind of starts filling in. And they said it's it's almost like any island is just a free game. You can go anywhere and anchor wherever and not I mean you'll have a boat or two, but they said it's absolutely beautiful.

Tinsley 14:15

During the holidays.

Curt 14:16

Yeah, January it starts. So that's what we're gonna try to do next year is leaving November. Previous to all the traffic, down here it kind of went and started to be trafficked and then we'll keep going.

Tinsley 14:31

So your route here was NASA.

Anchoring In Big Winds

Curt 14:33

Well, we went around what is that called? Menor Key, which is on the north side. And then we came around between South Bimini, and then we went around through Nassau, checked in at Nassau, and then we spent some time at some island. Preen K was probably one of my favorite keys up there. And then we did Rose Island, we did Rose Island. Without a map, I almost can't remember all the islands. We found some really neat spots at Rose Island that we went to.

Tinsley 15:00

So what would be your route home?

Curt 15:03

Probably gonna go up through uh well we'll I'll stay on the outside or oceanside, Atlantic side for about four to six hours and then like cut in the inside.

Tinsley 15:14

You know what that cut is?

Curt 15:16

It depends on the tide. So there's multiple c cuts in it when I get there. Wouldn't the tide and I felt the tide once, and I thought we're gonna try to so once I have to wait for about four to four hours before I can cut in myself. And then there's almost a cut every half hour, hour. So once I get up there, that's why I'm saying four to six. I'm gonna try to time it. I'll leave early, and that way I can just kind of keep going. If uh if I get too early, I can why do you like being on the outside? Fishing.

Tinsley 15:49

Tell me about that.

Curt 15:50

I fish a lot, so I I love trying to catch fish. So and as soon as I leave, my lines will be in in the water.

Tinsley 15:57

What do you catch out there?

Curt 15:58

I've caught sadly barracuda, which wasn't that exciting, but a lot of mahis what I go for, so I have a lot of mahi blewers on. Nice. I travel kind of more at the speed of mahis, so but I look for their bird, I aim for them, that's what I shoot for. So I look for weed lines. I kind of that's target. So I'll go out until I find the weed line.

Tinsley 16:16

Now, what about tongue of the ocean? You catch anything you've been?

Curt 16:18

No, because we didn't we went around, we kind of went through part of it. My I guess my knowledge of where the tongue of the ocean is is kind of a big area, it seems like. I went kind of on the north side of it, so I really wasn't in there. Kind of depends on who you talk to, too.

Tinsley 16:34

Well, if you come northwest channel, then you're in.

Curt 16:37

Yeah, I guess like the north side gets down a little ways, and so through there, I don't think I was fishing too much. There was a lot of shallows. I know we were trying, but we caught some uh the kind of snapper we caught. Now when you say we I've had different people throughout the trip joining.

Tinsley 16:53

Someone gonna be I don't know at the moment.

Curt 16:56

We'll find out. I'll either go by myself or we'll see here. We'll see what happens. So yeah.

Tinsley 17:03

I know you can handle it. I don't want to give it to the keys.

Curt 17:06

I have a guy coming over from Port Lauderdale that's gonna help. I bet I know from Orange Beach and he's gonna help you from New Orleans. So he's gonna come over and help sail up to Orange Beach and why about it.

Tinsley 17:17

So you're gonna go to Marathon, or you've got a place there. And you gotta dock there. And then you're taking the boat to Orange Beach. And then where are you are you gonna be in Orange Beach after that?

Curt 17:32

Right.

Tinsley 17:32

So you're a homeboy, because I'm from Gulf Shores in Orange Beach. What do you like about it up there?

Curt 17:38

It's not tourists. It still feels like a small.

Tinsley 17:44

Now we do have tourists.

Curt 17:46

Yeah, but that's down on the actual beach. Like I stay away from that unless I just want to go see the water.

Tinsley 17:52

Yeah, there's certain months and certain days, certain times, days at times of the day, and I live in it.

Curt 17:58

Yep.

Tinsley 17:58

But even I have a little back here, you know.

Curt 18:02

During uh whatever they the college days and stuff, I I don't drive down there at all. I don't care what I do.

Tinsley 18:08

I don't know And it's it's mostly families. We you know they they kind of keep a handle on it. It doesn't get too crazy. But the traffic is probably what you're talking about.

Supplies, Shipping, And Regatta Buzz

Curt 18:18

Yeah, that's why, yeah. I don't mind the people as much as the tra I don't want to sit there for an hour to run on the screen or something. I'll wait until a weekend or when it's the everybody's kind of shifting from being here to being gone and stuff. So if you can catch that when the traffic's going out, you then you go in and you know, stuff like that.

Tinsley 18:37

So it's all about the timing.

Curt 18:39

Yeah.

Tinsley 18:40

So and you your house is in Foley, yeah. Okay.

unknown 18:44

Yeah.

Curt 18:46

Which for to me is pretty much Orange Beach with the Sort of. It's all the same. He pretty much almost I bet in five years he won't even know you're leaving one town in the world.

Tinsley 18:55

Well, it's kind of like that. When I first moved there, there were no lights between Gulf Shores and Foley.

Curt 19:00

Yeah.

Tinsley 19:01

Can you imagine? You just keep on going.

Curt 19:03

Yeah. Those are almost tied together now. I mean, it's now they got that new high school up and Gulf Shores.

Tinsley 19:09

On County Road 8. Yeah, it's gonna be a really good school. So let's give a shout out to Josh. Try to encourage him to go past Marathon. What do you what do you we have a message for Josh?

Curt 19:23

Yeah, stop fixing it. Just go. It's gonna be broke every day, every year.

Tinsley 19:29

What's he fixing? Josh, leave the dock. I mean, he did get to marathon.

Curt 19:36

Yeah, he did. I should tell him there's pizza over here too, and he'd hurry up, maybe, I don't know. Trista would be a little mad though if he just came for the pizza, but you know, everything.

Tinsley 19:46

Alright. Is there anybody else you want to give a shout out to? How about some of the people you met here? Well, we don't have to name the bad ones.

Curt 19:53

Yeah, yeah. I mean Luke, I met him the other day. They, you know, it didn't I apparently got to see their uh ding with the go-doo dinges and stuff are pretty interesting, and especially for a guy my size being able to help that he's walked down the sides of them all the way to the biggest.

Tinsley 20:09

You know, they were talking that guy was talking about it on the sale net, the go-do, and so I looked it up and I was like, it looks nice. Yeah, it's heavy. It's heavy though.

Curt 20:19

Yeah, yeah, they're heavier. Yeah, they got a lighter one.

Tinsley 20:22

He was explaining to me a little bit I looked at the 8.6 one because that's what I have now.

Curt 20:27

Then I think they have a 10.6 or something. Well as a flat bottom.

Tinsley 20:31

Should be a spokesman. Yeah, I think they uh he said it's the last thing you'd ever have to buy.

Curt 20:38

Pretty much. It's gonna take care of it. You know, it's a one or whatever, so it just gotta take care of them. But yeah, I like them a lot. They seem like they're pretty sturdy, sturdy rigs, so I like your dinghy.

Tinsley 20:49

I wish I had it.

Curt 20:50

Yeah, we might have to talk about a trade so I can buy one of his does.

Tinsley 20:54

Right, yeah, let's do that. I mean, you're gonna be coming home with it, so you never know.

Curt 20:59

But no, it's been awesome. I honestly to try to recall everybody's name offhand would just be Well, every time I've seen you over there at EYC, you look like you're having a good time. I'm always having a good time.

Tinsley 21:10

You're talking to people, you know, getting about, doing things, mixing it up.

Curt 21:16

Everybody's pretty nice. After about a week of being here or two weeks, you start to know who you are.

Tinsley 21:20

You're you're a big guy, you're 6'4.

Curt 21:22

Yeah, yeah, I stick out too on top of it.

Tinsley 21:24

So, but it's like, oh, there's Kurt standing over all the people.

Night Sailing Lessons And Next Plans

Curt 21:29

Oh yeah, it's it's awesome. You know, Jillian's a gal down here that seems to be very, very entrenched in in the civil community down here. She seems, you know, if you're here and you have questions, you could almost look her up. She's on the net every day talking and jabbering about something, and she helps with a lot of the regatta stuff. I think she's done doing that now, but you know.

Tinsley 21:49

I need I still need to connect with her. Thanks for reminding me.

Curt 21:52

And Susie Lynn, they're they're I believe out of somewhere in Miami, North Miami. Over here every year, and they tons to do with the sailing community around here too. It's a great, great bunch of people. Yeah. Even the the wealthy sailors to the poor sailors they're all just they just socialize.

Tinsley 22:10

They they mix good, don't they?

Curt 22:12

They do.

Tinsley 22:13

It's just it is unique. I guess I th I think it's unique. Everybody just blends together.

Curt 22:18

Absolutely 100%.

Tinsley 22:20

Great sailing community.

Curt 22:21

Yep. I would agree.

Tinsley 22:22

So is there anything else you'd like to say before we what do you think about this view?

Curt 22:28

Unviewable. It's very clear the last two days and then now the winds are going to stir it up.

Tinsley 22:33

Yeah.

Curt 22:34

So it'll turn more to you over here but you can see 10 foot hands down no problem right now crystal clear.

Tinsley 22:41

So you're not gonna quit sailing are you?

Curt 22:44

No no I'll keep going. And when you get home are you gonna go jeep in and you're I'll go jeep in a little bit I'll I'll get the jeep out and go do a little bit and then where do you do this? All over the US last year we had 20 six days.

Tinsley 22:59

Like for money?

Curt 23:03

You just do it Yeah yeah yeah you could definitely monetize that and people would like to see bring my jeep across the second Imogene Pass which is up in Colorado is the second highest pass of all you got rolled barby. Yeah and it's really weird summertime you're down there you're wearing shorts and then all of a sudden we saw guys coming down on ATVs I had snow gear on them. The heck I came around the mountain and then all of a sudden it was just snow up above those guys have no protection. So they were bundled up but we we all had shorts on we didn't realize it was snowing up there and then we took pictures of our jeeps the plows had our jeeps were below the snow banks and stuff so we tried to climb that no I one I get one snow one mountain I did do a little bit of snow climbing on but I didn't make very far so I had to back down it we will cross paths in one feet. We will thank you