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Ep.121 Trivia Night Challenge 9, Canadian Hunting Edition! Test your Skills

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Think you’ve got Canadian hunting knowledge locked down? We put that confidence to work in a full trivia showdown where the answers are measured in inches, years, and hard numbers, not just campfire “I heard” stories. Lane Lewis grabs the host seat for one of our rowdier formats, with Jacob Armstrong fact checking and two teams battling for bragging rights and a pair of River’s Edge Game Calls crow calls. There’s a small technical hiccup early on, then we find a rhythm and the questions start landing.

We bounce through Canadian hunting trivia that actually teaches you something: record class Boone and Crockett style animals, which province consistently produces top whitetail entries, and what “world record” really means when you’re talking non typical mule deer. We get into the North American Super Slam conversation, including how many of those species you can hunt in Canada and why rule changes (like polar bear access) matter to the list.

Then the episode widens into the stuff that shapes every season. We talk about the lead shot ban for waterfowl hunting in Canada and the timeline that moved hunters toward non toxic shot, plus what makes loads effective in the real world. Conservation comes up with Delta Waterfowl’s century mark, Ducks Unlimited habitat work, and the constant tension between biology, public sentiment, and policy, highlighted by BC’s 2017 grizzly bear hunting ban. We also hit a few surprising stats, like the percentage of Canadians who hunt at least one day a year, and we close on a New Brunswick black bear population question that decides the game.

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Welcome And Why The Show Grows

SPEAKER_01

Hunts on this is Hunts on Outfitting Podcast. I'm your host and rookie guide, Ken Mayer. I love everything hunting, the outdoors, and all things associated with it. From stories to how-tos, you'll find it here. Welcome to the podcast. Yes, okay. I'm fired up as always, as usual, to have you guys tuning in and listening to this week's podcast. I appreciate it. This show is growing and it's by word of mouth. And that's thanks to you guys. So keep spreading the word, leave ratings, reviews, all that good stuff. And uh yeah, it's paying off, it's great, and it's helping grow us and get more guests and things like that and sponsors. So it's all stuff that helps benefit you guys in the end as well.

Sponsor Deals And Listener Support

SPEAKER_01

Uh speaking about which, before we get going, talking about benefits for you guys and saving you some money. If you're doing anything with archery this year, uh check out Hooligan Archery products, use code HUNTSON2026, all caps, all one word. You're gonna save yourself some money at the checkout, which we all love saving money, right? Um so this week on the podcast, it's one of my favorites because it's a trivia one. I love doing every single podcast that I get to do on here and talk to the people from all over, but honestly, the trivias are I think they're my favorite. Uh, and this one is even more unique because I myself am uh not hosting it. Lane is. Lane Lewis hoop crew member. Uh he wanted to host one and he did, and Lane realized that there's a little bit more to just sitting here and flapping your guns. There's a little bit more to it, but you know what? Lane did great. He came up with all the questions by himself and asked them out, ran the teens and everything. Gotta give him a lot of credit there. Lane did quite well, and I told the guys, anytime you guys want to host one, and you come up with the questions and all that, you let me know. You uh you can do it. So, um we did have some technical difficulties that we realized about 10 minutes in. I wasn't sitting in the captain's seat. Lane was, and I couldn't quite hear properly, so we realized that Jeremy, Jeremy Howe, uh wonderful guy. We can't hear him for the first uh I think we noticed about 10 minutes in, but so just for the first tiny little bit, it sounds like uh his brother-in-law, Sean, who's who he's on a team with, is kind of talking to himself or answering his own questions. He's not. Jeremy's there. I just had to edit that a little bit, but it's it's only like a few times, and then Jeremy's mic's figured out, you'll hear us figure that out, uh, and then he's good to go. So if you're looking at the podcast profile picture and you want to put a face to the name playing, starting in the top left corner, we've got Sean McCrae. Right below him is Jeremy Howe. Now, Jeremy was not able to uh we couldn't hear him for his intro about who he is, so I'll just give you a quick thing. Jeremy is a hunter, a fisherman, and general out overall outdoorsman. He's been on the podcast several times and recorded a great deer tracking one after this trivia one while he was down, which will be out this fall. Um, first time trivia though for him. First time trivia for him, first time trivia for Sean. Right smack dab in the middle with the look of just sheer happiness on my face is your normal but not current host for this podcast, myself, Ken Mayer. Right below me, looking all business, that's your host for this podcast, Lane Lewis. Beside me, on the upper right is Jacob Armstrong. Jacob's kind of uh the little bit of fact checker and stuff, helping Lane out on this podcast. And then right below him is gonna be my teammate, uh regular hoop crew member, Dalton Patterson. Um so it's it's a good one. It starts off a little slow and then we find a rhythm. Uh Lane chose to do the category of Canadian hunting trivia, so all the questions related to that. I actually learned I learned quite a bit. I learned I learned a lot. Um for our sponsor, as always for the trivia, is uh River's Edge Game Calls, Kenneth McDonald. He ships all over North America. Uh for this podcast, yeah, we had custom made crow calls to win. Uh I actually used mine that I had previous for um locating a located call for turkey. Really handy. Early in the morning, you want to see where the turkeys are to get a shock gobble out of them, use the crow call. Bam! A lot of nine times out of ten I find, if there's Tom in the area up roosted, he's gonna let you know. So that was you know really handy. You can use that for it, and also hunting. We did some crow hunting this year, and that's always good fun to try to keep management on them because they do go after turkey polts and stuff, so they're nest raiders, right? So they gotta be kept in check. And then uh I was fortunate enough to take my bear this week and I used Pro Expedition Scents, and I want to tell you guys, I'm not just blowing smoke. This stuff works. I used the sow and heat scent, and I used other long distance lures, and the bears were coming in. So pro expedition scents and lures, they work really well. They make mineral attractants as well. It's gonna keep uh keep everything healthy, so just something to check out. Um alright, let's get to it. You guys, you're gonna enjoy it, and you're gonna learn something. Oh, and if you were looking to get a hold of us to maybe come on the podcast or suggest somebody for it, or just reach out to me, you can email me, hunts on outfitting at gmail.com, or you can find us on Facebook, Hunts on Outfitting, or find myself on there, Ken Meyer. Feel free to reach out. Some of you guys have been. It's been great talking with you from all over.

SPEAKER_02

Welcome

Lane Takes Over Trivia Night

SPEAKER_02

to this week's Hunts on Outfitting Podcast. Uh, I'm your uh taller, better looking uh co-host this week, uh Wayne Lewis. And tonight we have uh as my co-host uh Jacob Armstrong, and the teams for the trivia tonight are Dalton Patterson and Ken Meyer. Get us to introduce yourself, Lane. Okay, introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_01

I'm here strictly as a spectator tonight. I'm thrilled. I'm not I'm just gonna sit back and relax and let Lane run the show. This is a lot of fun. Lane sit in a little bit and uh it should be good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

All right, Lane. Hit us off. Uh Dalton? Dalton, you start introducing yourself. I'm Dalton. I'm here to win. Ooh. Nice. Uh Dalton is uh the milkman. Uh I'm uh I'm Ken Meyer, or as Dalton knows me as uh mustache myer. I'm uh podcaster, uh hunter, houndsman, professional truck driver, and because of that profession, also an amateur uh proctologist because of the amount of assholes that I see with that job.

SPEAKER_06

Those are your flip-flops up there that you're driving? Yeah, that's it. Ding ding ding.

SPEAKER_01

Uh ding ding. Jeremy.

SPEAKER_06

I'm Sean. Uh I guess I'm here to win too, but I drove I drove Jeremy. Jeremy's a smart guy. I just drove him.

SPEAKER_01

Dalton's thinking on the smart guy, right, Dalton?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That's a lot of faith in Ken.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And then uh Jacob Armstrong, I'll be Lane's fact checker this evening since we don't trust him to host all by himself.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, thanks. So the teams tonight, uh, we figured Dalton and Ken are the farmers, so we're calling them uh team Flat Broke. And it's appropriate. Jeremy and Sean are the new ones, so they're uh broke back. And that is as well. All right.

SPEAKER_01

So uh how's this work?

SPEAKER_06

Wait a minute. I don't know how feeling about that.

SPEAKER_01

Uh how do you how do you run the trivia, Lane?

SPEAKER_02

Well, uh, this episode are all Canadian base questions. Uh-huh. And we're just gonna go back and forth from team to team. Are we allowed to steal? If they get it incorrect. You can't how long do we have? As long. Until I tell you to hurry up. Okay, that's what I say.

SPEAKER_06

You're just sitting there being quiet. Uh no, I didn't say I was gonna be quiet.

SPEAKER_01

So what are we playing for?

SPEAKER_02

Today we were playing for two uh crow calls that apparently everybody here doesn't know how to use them because we all blew them backwards. Not me. You cheated.

SPEAKER_01

Can you give us a little sound bite there, Lane? How's it sound?

SPEAKER_02

Here, Jacob.

SPEAKER_01

That's pretty good. I before you guys came in here, I was like just playing around with him and I realized that if I put my hand over my mouth and plug my nose and fart hard, I can also get it to do the same uh sound when I have it in these calls.

SPEAKER_02

Kenneth McDonald.

SPEAKER_01

Nice. Ships all over North America. I meant to ask him how many provinces and states he's quite a few, but he ships anywhere in North America, River's Edge Game Calls.

SPEAKER_02

He's trying to get every province and every state to have a call shipped out to him. And he doesn't just make crow calls, does he, Lane? He makes deer calls, turkey calls, diaphragm calls, uh predator calls. He makes kind of everything other than I don't know if he's dabbled in waterfowl yet. Uh not yet. I don't think yet. Nope. So we'll get this started.

Rules Prizes And First Record Questions

SPEAKER_02

Sure. We'll uh we'll let the newbies go first. All right.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Sean and Jeremy. So this is for team broke back.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. And just remember that all of us is Canadian-based questions. It didn't start like that, but I that's how it went. No matter what, we're all winners.

SPEAKER_05

So we were allowed to talk it, talk it out between us. Yeah, show your work out loud.

SPEAKER_04

No, you don't have to show it out loud.

SPEAKER_02

So the first question is the biggest Canadian archery whitetail harvested. Uh A is 256 and 28 inches. B is uh 238 and 78s, C is 267 and 48s, and 4 is 247 and 18 inches.

SPEAKER_01

We're doing gross score. Yep. And we're doing non-typicals. Okay. So I was going to say when Lane starts reading the note, it's like, well, the record deer was like two, what? What was Milo Hanson's who just passed away? Rest in peace, two thirteen and five eighths. Yeah, typical. Lane's like, what's the biggest? 265? I'm like, well, I don't think it's that one.

SPEAKER_02

Milo Hanson's was typical. This is non-typical. All right.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, you're gonna have to repeat those again.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Okay, A is 256 and 28, B is two thirty-eight and seven eighths, C is two sixty-three and four eighths, and D is two forty-seven and one eighth.

SPEAKER_06

A or C. Yeah, I'll go with C.

SPEAKER_02

That was a good guess, because you're right.

SPEAKER_06

It had something to do with the four eighths.

SPEAKER_02

Really?

SPEAKER_01

Shot by Ben Start Dog.

SPEAKER_02

Ben Cockle in Alberta in 2011. Ben who? Cockle. I definitely butchered his last name.

SPEAKER_01

Well, you know, we we said to say what you're thinking out loud, and Lane did. Point for them. Okay. Anything to add to that, Jacob?

SPEAKER_06

No applause or no sound like that was.

SPEAKER_01

Hey, you get an applause if you win at the end. I don't know. It didn't sound educated.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know what other questions Lane has, but uh that one actually might be a question.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, I'm not gonna get it.

SPEAKER_00

Don't say that.

SPEAKER_02

It's nothing to add. Uh no, public land, actually.

unknown

Nice.

SPEAKER_02

As far as I could get the information on.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Team flat broke. Which province produces the most Boone and Crockett Deer entries annually? A Alberta. B Saskatchewan. Three. C Ontario and D Manitoba.

SPEAKER_01

Well uh while we're thinking about this, you could learn your ABCs quickly.

SPEAKER_04

Give me the answers again just so I A Alberta.

SPEAKER_02

B Saskatchewan. C Ontario, D, Manitoba. Well I'm thinking Saskatchewan.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Saskatchewan. That is correct. I figured. And why is it correct?

unknown

Because they produced them all. Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_02

I'm just warming up with some easier ones and then once we get into it, they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_01

I know, because I was like, well, Warren Lane's like, these are gonna be heard. Like for who?

SPEAKER_04

Us or you, Lane. I don't think we've ever got the first two right. You just ever. You just wait. You told us they were gonna be heard.

SPEAKER_01

Lane's like, you just wait, what's the square root of that freaking province?

SPEAKER_02

That's a good question. That might be the tiebreaker question. Okay. You ready? Okay. Team bloke broke back. Which province has the highest sales and deer licenses annually? A Ontario, B, Alberta, C, Saskatchewan, D, Manitoba. And by sales you mean tags purchased annually.

SPEAKER_01

Just to clarify for those listening at home.

SPEAKER_02

It just said deer.

unknown

Deer.

SPEAKER_02

So I think I assume it's deer across the board. Ontario. Yeah. That is incorrect. Oh, that's what I would have said.

SPEAKER_06

Just because there's so many people.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

That would have been my guess too, honestly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Info is my guess. What were the other provinces again, Lane?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, it was the last one. Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. What were the other options?

SPEAKER_02

Those are your three options left. You can pick Ontario again. Really?

SPEAKER_04

Do it. Do it.

SPEAKER_01

Alberta. I'm thinking Alberta. Just big hunting. I don't think there's that many people in Saskatchewan.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

It's not well populated.

SPEAKER_04

Alright. You sound confident.

SPEAKER_01

Uh yeah, we're gonna go with Alberta. Could you use it in a sentence, Lee? Use Alberta in? Nice. In a sentence? Yeah, you just did. Perfect. That's what we're going with.

SPEAKER_02

Well, using a sentence in Alberta is the correct answer. Good.

SPEAKER_01

Nice. How many?

SPEAKER_03

From what I found online, it said Alberta sold 117,000 instances.

SPEAKER_04

How many residents are in Alberta? Like that's that's actually a capital, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03

I just I found another one on the Government of Canada website here, and it gives a cool stat. So one in over one in ten households in Newfoundland, so 12% of the population hunts. So that's top among provinces, followed by nearly one in ten, nine percent in New Brunswick, five percent in Nova Scotia, in Saskatchewan, four percent of residents hunt, in Quebec, three percent. And no other province was above two percent. Really?

SPEAKER_04

So Alberta was not even so what I said means nothing.

SPEAKER_03

Less than two percent of their population hunts, but they sell the most deer licenses. Really? That's cool though. New Brunswick, one in one nearly one in ten people in New Brunswick hunt.

SPEAKER_01

That makes sense, yeah. That's good. Did you know that, Lane? Well now you do.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So where you guys stole it, it's just still your question again, correct? Right, yeah. Cat. And the next one. And the next one. So team flat broke. The province with the highest elk population. A Alberta, B, Saskatchewan, C, Manitoba, D, British Columbia.

SPEAKER_01

Uh you want me to take it, Dalton? Because so I'm in between the two right now. I know Alberta, you've always been able to hunt elk there, and they have a pretty good population, but I know that the one in Saskatchewan has really exploded over the years, and the fact that they're giving it a lot more uh, what do you call deportation tags and stuff? Uh I'm gonna go with Saskatchewan.

SPEAKER_02

That is incorrect.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna go with Alberta, I meant team broken chance to steal it.

SPEAKER_06

All right, let's talk it out. BC. Jump is can we have two Albertas in a row? You know, when you do the A, B, C.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it is Lane doing it. The guy that made the test isn't that smart. The guy that made the test has never passed a test. Valid point.

Mic Fix And Elk Population Debate

SPEAKER_05

Technical difficulties. Oh, he just turned my mic on. That'll help.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's way better. I just got all right, so we can so I just got thinking, I was like, I couldn't hear him that well, but I thought it was maybe my headphones, but Ryan always sits over there and gets fucking ran with the mic and he turns it off.

SPEAKER_02

It must have been that mic that I could hear him from because these headphones I could I could hear him. Yeah, I could hear him too.

SPEAKER_01

Because I was like, something's off, and uh I'm trying to stay out of it, Lane threatened the show, but I was like, fucking Ryan always screws right with that. And he did last time.

SPEAKER_06

Going back to that last question, we actually got a right, but you couldn't hear Jeremy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Oh well, I guess it doesn't count. Well, if it was right, can you repeat your answer, please?

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_06

Uh what are we gonna go with? Alberta or BC?

SPEAKER_05

There's a lot in BC. The veteran hunters. They have in Alberta, isn't it? I think we should probably go with that.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, Alberta for the final answer.

SPEAKER_02

That is incorrect.

SPEAKER_06

It is what?

SPEAKER_01

British Columbia. I did not see that one. Is that true, Jacob?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so the biggest thing people take into account is they have Rocky Mountain and Roosevelt Elk in BC.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, they got Roosevelt.

SPEAKER_03

They have both.

SPEAKER_01

In the southern part.

SPEAKER_03

In the southeast part. Well, you didn't say it was two elk's no, it's kin. We lost. Oh but yeah, it says between 40 and 45,000 is the estimated population.

SPEAKER_01

Really? What are the other provinces?

SPEAKER_03

Uh oh, hang tight.

SPEAKER_01

All right. Talk to us while you're looking it up. How's uh Jacob is a welding inspector, right, Jacob?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You can say how's that been going? Weld's looking good. You ever see one that's like just fucked? Like it's all cracked and everything. You're like, you know what? It's a Friday on yeah, whatever. Stamp of approval.

SPEAKER_03

So it says between 26,000 and over 45,000, but for Alberta. For Alberta, yes.

SPEAKER_01

It's more than Saskatchewan.

SPEAKER_03

Let's see, you know, Saskatchewan.

SPEAKER_01

Because Saskatchewan, I know they're giving it a lot more tags there, and the farmers are having a lot more problems with them and all that.

SPEAKER_03

Uh they estimate there's about 15,000 in Saskatchewan. Really?

SPEAKER_01

Must just be those certain areas.

SPEAKER_04

It's probably like a legislation difference, too, right? Maybe there's something better there for the farmers to get tags easier, right?

SPEAKER_05

Like so, what were the numbers between Alberta and BC?

SPEAKER_03

BC was it said 40 to 45,000. Then Alberta was 26,000 to 45,000.

SPEAKER_06

So we got two 45,000.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

So there's two correct numbers.

SPEAKER_03

I'd have to dive deeper to get a real deep. Uh the Alberta website says it's in the neighborhood of 26,000 animals. Found predominantly along the eastern shadow of the Rocky Mountains.

SPEAKER_01

Alright, well, everyone was wrong on that one. Good job, Land. You really stumped us.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, wow. There's not too many around here. No, no.

SPEAKER_03

Elk farm, that's about it. I know Ontario has a hunt for elk that's only open to residents.

SPEAKER_02

There is some Ontario.

SPEAKER_03

There's a really Ontario elk hunt.

SPEAKER_02

It's only uh zone specific in Ontario.

SPEAKER_03

And it's wildlife management. They estimate between 600 and 1,000 elk in Ontario. Jeez. There's not many tags given out, I don't believe.

SPEAKER_02

We think our moose tags here are hard to get. They're really hard for elk tags everywhere. Yeah, I'd say. Okay, so uh team broke back. This

Mule Deer Record And Super Slam Math

SPEAKER_02

is a true or false question.

SPEAKER_03

Oh I'm slacking on the score, too. No, no, you're last one, but no one got the last one, Jacob. Number four.

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_02

Just just wait. Oh. I skipped that one for a reason. Oh they're not good with numbers.

SPEAKER_01

Neither's Lane. Uh A. Two. No. Five. All right.

SPEAKER_02

True or false, Canada has the world record non-typical mule deer.

SPEAKER_06

Alberta.

SPEAKER_02

True or false. Read it again, please. True or false. Canada has the world record non-typical mule deer. Harvested, I guess.

SPEAKER_05

I'd like to be patriotic and say yes.

SPEAKER_06

I know, but you have you heard of it?

SPEAKER_01

I don't I don't pay attention to the mule deer. Well, how many mule deer stuff do you know about, though? I don't pay attention to the mule deer stuff. I think they're cool looking deer.

SPEAKER_04

What's the animal on that sweater? Because I have the exact same one.

SPEAKER_06

His name is Eddie Bauer.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I get it's from Costco, right?

SPEAKER_01

I've got mine. Side note.

SPEAKER_02

So you got a 50-50 chance of being correct here.

SPEAKER_01

I got a 50-50 chance of being wrong, too.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, glass half empty kind of guy.

SPEAKER_01

It wasn't scoot into your mic little. Scoot. I don't know. If they get it wrong, can we steal it? Yes. No. That's the rule.

unknown

That is the rule.

SPEAKER_05

Do you want to be patriotic and say yes?

SPEAKER_06

I want to be patriotic, but I don't think it's the case because we would have heard about it.

SPEAKER_05

I know. No, nobody cares about Mule Deer.

SPEAKER_01

Unless you're the Mule Deer Foundation guys who listen to this, like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_06

What do you mean no one cares about you? We can be patriotic then. Let's be patriotic and go with yes. Or true, I guess.

SPEAKER_02

But we seems hesitant. But I am, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. What? Yeah. True. It's Canada.

SPEAKER_02

It's true, isn't it? It's Canada. That is correct. I knew.

SPEAKER_00

I told you.

SPEAKER_02

And extra points. I knew. You can just shout out. Extra points if you can guess what year that deer was shot.

SPEAKER_01

What the give us a freaking timeline, Lane. 2016.

SPEAKER_06

2013.

SPEAKER_02

Both wrong? It was 1926. That was my hundredth guess. 1926.

SPEAKER_03

And Jacob has a little information if you'd like to elaborate. It was uh net score Boone Crockett of 355 and 28 inches. Wow. Killed in Chip Lake, Alberta by Ed Broder, the 26th of November. I knew it was in Kansas. How come we haven't heard about this until probably because it was a hundred years ago?

SPEAKER_04

There's been a lot of worse since that happened.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. I'm guessing there's other more uh pressing matters to come up than that between now and 1926.

SPEAKER_05

Well that mount looks like now.

SPEAKER_01

Uh probably no worse than the mount behind you. It's a lot bigger. Yeah, speckle-bellied goose. Yeah. Actually the deer probably looks better.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, team flat broke. Okay. How many animals in the North American Super Slam? The North American 29 are found in the Super Slam in Canada. It's 28 now because they recently removed polar bears. They did?

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Why?

SPEAKER_02

Because only residents are allowed to hunt them now.

SPEAKER_01

Why? There's still quite a few, and they're- you know those like Coca-Cola commercials, they're all skinny and diet, they're not. They're fat as can be and like more than healthy looking.

SPEAKER_02

So there's if someone's finished the North American 29, there's no one gonna add it unless you're added a resident.

SPEAKER_01

Did they add Wolverine to that? No. Because they're not big. I know they added Havelina to it. Yeah, Havelina is. I think. Yep. They added it to the Boone and Crockett, I know that. So A I don't know if they're added to that completely. I know they're in Boone and Crockett, though now.

SPEAKER_02

A is twenty-three, B is twenty-five, C is twenty-six, and D is twenty-four.

SPEAKER_01

Boy, those are great near each other, aren't they?

SPEAKER_05

Out of how many?

SPEAKER_01

I'm thinking twenty.

SPEAKER_02

Well, there was twenty-nine because they haven't they just recently took the polar bears off.

SPEAKER_01

You think twenty-four, Dalton?

SPEAKER_04

I don't think anything. Alright, I'll do the thinking.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. I was saying twenty-three. Dalton says twenty-four. We'll go, we'll split the difference and go with uh twenty-four.

SPEAKER_02

That is incorrect. Team broke back, your turn to steal.

SPEAKER_06

Could you uh repeat the question and the answers?

SPEAKER_02

Yes. How many animals in the North American Super Slamp are found in Canada? A twenty-three, B twenty-five, C twenty six, D twenty-four. I'll give you a hint, it's not twenty-four.

SPEAKER_01

Uh could you name them out alphabetically? No, it's Jacob's job. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Out of twenty-eight.

SPEAKER_06

Yep. Out of twenty-eight, I would I'd go with twenty-three.

SPEAKER_05

Well, they said Havelina, we don't have those. I'm sure alligator is on there.

SPEAKER_01

No, it's not. I can think of a few species that aren't on there. And they're sheep. We got sheep in Canada. Yeah, but not all of them. Do we have desert bighorn lane? No, we don't.

SPEAKER_06

Snarky.

SPEAKER_01

I can't give desert two. Well, I can't give any hints. I know, Jacob, are you looking up uh the species? I want to hear it after.

SPEAKER_06

Uh I don't know what are you thinking. 28.

SPEAKER_05

Was 25 one of the options? Yes, that's B.

SPEAKER_01

Or as Lane calls it, two.

SPEAKER_02

Well, actually, I do have them numbered down. The answer is one, two, three, four, and I'm just switching them over.

SPEAKER_01

Alright. Well, for people without whatever condition you have, it's A, B, C, D. Yeah. I think it's probably higher than 23.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, we'll go with 25.

SPEAKER_01

Final answer? You confirm it. And scoot in when you do it.

SPEAKER_06

Oh. Are we going with 25? Alright, 25.

SPEAKER_02

That is correct.

SPEAKER_01

Hey! That was gonna be one of her answers. Anyways, we have 25 out of 28, Jacob Gabb, the species.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's tough to find a list with just the ones in Canada, but I'm just going through the list. Give her a whirlwind.

SPEAKER_01

How about name out all 29 and I'll tell you which ones aren't in Canada?

SPEAKER_03

White tailed deer, definitely. Definitely can do it in New Brunswick. Yep. Mule deer, we definitely in Canada. Coos white tailed deer, or cow's white-tailed deer. No. No. Arizona, New Mexico, Mexico. Columbia black tailed deer.

unknown

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

We don't have desert bighorn.

SPEAKER_03

Sitka blacktail. Canada and southwestern Alaska. Yeah. Rocky Mountain elk, yes. Roosevelt elk, yes. Thule elk, I don't believe so. No. Uh California. Oh, okay. Uh Canada Moose, I think so. It's a high probability. Shirus moose, yes. I looked at what we did at Southern Alberta. Oh, yeah?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Really? We have Shirus here.

SPEAKER_03

Not very many, but the Alaska Yukon Moose, yes. Uh we have all five of the caribou, barren ground, woodland, uh Central Canadian Bareng Ground, Woodland, Mountain Caribou, and the Quebec Labrador Caribou, all in Canada. Polar bear, which Elaine says is not on there anymore. It is if you pay the right amount of money. Yeah. Alaska brown bear, which I'm assuming is only well southward along the Canada coast. So that one we got to be here, yep. Uh Grizzly Bear, yeah. Western Canada. Black bear, yes. Cougar, yes, Alberta. Um Muscox, yes. Because some of these the only place you can do them is Canada. Or a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh bison, yes. American Mountain Goat, yes. Pronghorn, yes. Yes. Alberta. And Saskatchewan. Uh Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep. Definitely. Southern Alberta, BC. Doll sheep, yes. Is we like to call them lane sheep. Desert bighorn sheep. No. No, no. California, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Texas, Utah, and New Mexico. Uh Stone Sheep, BC. Yep. And we didn't keep track of how many, but that was all 29.

SPEAKER_01

Well, there's probably 25 on there that are from Canada. Considering that was apparently the right answer. So we'll take your word for it this time. Yep.

SPEAKER_02

But not next.

SPEAKER_01

So I forget who we left. Yeah, it's our turn. Flat broke.

unknown

Because they got theirs right.

SPEAKER_04

No, they stole ours. They stole it. So yeah, it's your guys'.

SPEAKER_02

So it's our turn.

SPEAKER_04

We got another one.

SPEAKER_02

So it's broke back's question. Is somebody keeping score here? Yeah, we got another over here. You guys are uh winning three to two.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, we're winning ten-nothing.

SPEAKER_03

So to touch, I got another stat here to touch on Ontario's elk hunt. Yes.

Ontario Elk Tags And Turkey Talk

SPEAKER_03

Last year there was 12 tags given out. Area two, there was seven hundred and fourteen applicants. Area five, eight hundred applicants, and area six, just over sixteen hundred applicants. Six sorry, six hundred applicants.

SPEAKER_01

That'd be one of those hunts where you're like, it's all but the memory stuff. It's not like I'd want to kill something that's a good thing. 2,134 people after 12 tags. I would have guessed more than that. That's a pretty exclusive club. Yeah. I would have guessed more people would apply, but it's like here with the turkey thing. Well, your odds are way better. 2,300 and some people I think applied last year and they gave up 500 tags. It's not terrible. 550 if you couldn't count the 50 non-resident tags.

SPEAKER_04

Stupid question, but there's no point system on turkey tags, is there?

SPEAKER_02

No, no.

SPEAKER_04

No, no.

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_02

Well, no, they've talked about it, but now they're saying like in the next five years it might just be an overcounter attack. I hope so, but I find that hard to believe. I would like to see them prolong it a little longer. Because if it's over the counter, that population is going to take a beating.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe it does in some places when you talk to farmers and farmers and strawberry fields when they go in to clean them. Yeah, no, they're not happy. I love them.

SPEAKER_02

We went up this year to just outside of Woodstock.

SPEAKER_01

That's where we go.

SPEAKER_02

And uh a buddy of mine has a dairy farm there, and he said we literally have more turkeys on our land than deer. And he said, like there was times he was planting like uh corn or whatever, and he said he was still planting the field and the turkeys were in digging up the seeds. He said they do more crop damage than bears. Well, they're little rascals. I like them. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Oh,

Moose Introduced To Newfoundland Story

SPEAKER_06

yes, we got a question. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Uh what year did they successfully introduce moose to Newfoundland? Do we have choices or do we have to go up for just you got options? Oh good. They do have choice. 1878, B 1913, C 1904, and D 1901.

SPEAKER_01

Um, is there a bonus question as for where they came from after this? I'd like to steal it. Yeah. I think everybody does. No, not everybody does. No, it's not a bonus question. Sorry. It's a bonus question for sure.

SPEAKER_05

19 something.

SPEAKER_06

I was gonna say 1912 before he uh listed off the answers. So 1913 is pretty close.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, better go with it. Yep. That is incorrect. Team flat broke your chance to steal. Go ahead, Dalton. Would you like me to repeat the just give me the answers again? Well, I'm not gonna give you the answer. I'll give you the answer. Well, the answers, the sorry, the possible answers. 1878, B 1913, C 1904, and D 1901.

SPEAKER_04

My weights on 1904 or 1901. I'm thinking four. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

We'll go four. Yeah, because I like keeping numbers. And well, yes or no, Lane, is it right? It's right.

SPEAKER_02

1904? That is correct.

unknown

Darn.

SPEAKER_04

I remember my grandfather used to talk about this. Like every story he ever told you, he told you ten times. Oh yeah. And that number was ringing a bell, right? And he's like, 1904, they took six booths, right? Six or twelve? To Newfoundland.

SPEAKER_01

How many? They took four in 1904. Oh, damn it. I should have listened better. That should have been the question. But were they from Durham Bridge, New Brunswick? Yes. I haven't found that part yet. I think they are. Also bonus, bonus answer, Lane. Mark it down.

SPEAKER_02

I will. Fun fact is 1878, they introduced Moose, but the they failed. Because they all died.

SPEAKER_03

Really?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And did they confirm?

SPEAKER_02

Where were they from? Yeah, how did they know they died? They just didn't have tracking callers on them in 1870. They tried to introduce them, but it was a failed attempt. Because the Newfoundlanders shot them as soon as they went in.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, by look at these big old cows.

SPEAKER_03

I have heard that the people say that those two did make it, so I don't know if they were ever confirmed dead or just assumed dead.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they left them off and the Newfoundlanders immediately got them.

SPEAKER_03

Well, they weren't flying it with helicopters.

SPEAKER_04

No. Right?

SPEAKER_03

So it was like, yeah, nobody was the first Newfoundland moose hunt officially. 1879.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Officially it says 1930 was the first moose hunt. And now today, Newfoundland has the most populous most moose per capita has one moose per every four residents.

SPEAKER_01

Really?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Highest concentration, highest most highly concentrated population in North America.

SPEAKER_01

There's also not a lot of people that lived there.

SPEAKER_03

Four per kilometer. Wow.

unknown

Something like that. Four square kilometers.

SPEAKER_01

Imagine the insurance company.

SPEAKER_03

The whole reason they brought it in was to help ease the burden on the caribou herd. Because in the wintertime, that's what they were all going out and hunting was caribou. Yeah. So in 1902, they passed the Preservation of Deer Act. Act for the preservation of deer.

SPEAKER_01

And that was the whole that was by deer, they mean caribou. Yeah, exactly. They called everything a deer back then.

SPEAKER_05

Can you confirm uh whether or not they made them swim behind the boat? That's what I heard. I've heard that rumor, and I didn't know if it was true or not.

SPEAKER_03

How'd they catch them?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, how'd they catch them?

SPEAKER_03

Jeez, we could do a little tranquilizing everything. We do a whole episode on that part.

SPEAKER_04

I'd like to see the box that would hold the moose back.

SPEAKER_03

John Connell from Bartie Bog, New Brunswick, who was sounds like a tough son of a bitch. He was paid $50 per moose. The equivalent of a few thousand dollars today. Got his butthole wrecked turned out. Also, they trapped them in the deep snow.

unknown

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

They got them in the wintertime when they were exhausted.

SPEAKER_01

Jump on them, Jack.

SPEAKER_03

When the men come up on a moose, they would run it down until it was exhausted, then fence it in so it could be lassoed and brought out by horse-drawn sled.

SPEAKER_06

They don't have any wheelers or nothing. No. They don't have any wheelers or nothing. No, not that running after the moose in that deep snow.

SPEAKER_01

I think the moose would have the advantage that it had snowshoes.

SPEAKER_06

So like can't you ever run the snow shoes?

SPEAKER_03

It gets wilder too. So Connell had a close call during the hunt when a big bull moose rushed him, knocking him over. The moose reared up and was lasso'd by one of his companions just before its hoof came down on his head. That's like something at the Hang Hem High or a Clineswood movie. Like the moose is up in the air, like the horse, and then Buddy comes with the lasso and the last minute saves him. I wonder if it's a good one.

SPEAKER_04

What was Buddy's name again for New Brunswick? Did you say you said Sean Connery? No. What was it?

unknown

Steve.

SPEAKER_04

That was a great name, too. From Bartie Boggs.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so they did originally have seven, but only four survived to make it over on the trip. So six was a pretty close guess. A cow and a bull died on the way from fright, they say. Or probably cut them off. Indigestion. And a second cow died giving birth to a calf as the animals waited at North Sydney to cross the Cabot Street.

SPEAKER_01

I've waited in North Sydney and I'd kill a calf there too. What was the guy's name? Jack O'Donnell. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. You should name your next kid that, Dalton.

unknown

I should.

SPEAKER_01

Um, yeah, I've waited in North Sydney and I've wanted to kill a calf before. It sucks. It's boring.

SPEAKER_02

So it is We're tied up.

SPEAKER_04

It's our turn. We just stole theirs.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so yeah. Flat

Record Moose Score And Gear Origins

SPEAKER_02

broke. The largest Canadian moose harvest recorded. The score. A 281 and 18 inch. B 247 and 78. C two hundred and sixty-three and one eighth. And D 254 and 38. It was shot in the Yukon in 2013.

SPEAKER_01

Well, soft voice lane. Um I don't know. I don't know much about uh C.

SPEAKER_04

Dalton feels like C. That's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_01

Calling to you.

SPEAKER_04

There's no knowledge there.

SPEAKER_01

Uh yeah, we'll go with C. I like to just shooting from the hip. Unless it's wrong, then we'd like to uh change it.

SPEAKER_02

Well, Dalton is a pro moose hunter now, because you got it right.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Nice. I know. It wasn't a guess. It was shooting from the hip, but it was an accurate.

SPEAKER_05

You don't even remember what the score was for Call C.

SPEAKER_01

Dalton is a moose hunter now. What was it? 958 or something? 38. 600?

SPEAKER_02

Or two hundred and sixty-three inches and one eighth. Holy! Yeah, two hundred and sixty. Have another thin lane. All right. That's pretty big.

SPEAKER_04

Two guesses in a row.

SPEAKER_03

It was harvested in 2013 by Heinz Knife. Knife. German? I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01

Sounds good. No, it's he's from Newfoundland.

SPEAKER_03

It was 263 and 58 inches. Well, that's pretty big. Lane, you're you're a uh score. What's the average size? Saskatchewan bull holds a record for the widest spread at 74 and 68 inches.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. Lane, you're an official score. What's like an average moose?

SPEAKER_02

Like just say it, Lane. Come on. Anything over like, especially here, but anywhere, anything over like 200 is like ungodly big. Okay. There's only been like six over 200 inches shot in the province.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, team broke back. So has uh before we move on though, so has this 2013 bowl been verified by Boone and Crockett?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, because I found it on Boone and Crockett's page. Oh, did you? Jake can be confirmed.

SPEAKER_03

No, I'm just all good. I was just curious.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, team broke back. Which Canadian outdoor company started production in a rented pig barn? A Xcaliber, B, Island Reels, C, Princecraft, D, uh Groman Knives. I think it's Groman dumbass. Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

No, I I think it's Groman. Oh, sorry. Groman knives are from Picto County, Nova Scotia.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I have one. Actually, I'm gonna have them on the podcast sometime. I have them somewhere in the woods. Really?

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah, somewhere.

SPEAKER_01

They're really nice. Oh, beautiful knives. I got mine, a friend's uh friend of mine, his brother, younger brother, uh needed ten dollars for a pack of smokes to have the rest, so it's like he's like, I got this knife, and like, yeah, I'll buy it from you. This is years ago. And then I get looking at it and like grow them knives. I'm like, I just looked it up, I'm like, oh shit, this is like a really nice knife. Yours is a beautiful knife. So I didn't realize what I had at the time, and obviously that dumbass didn't either. But anyways, I got it for ten bucks.

SPEAKER_05

They uh they've closed their storefront down since COVID. Now everything's online. Yeah, oh really? Because they used to give tours. Yeah, you think you just walk in and look browse through everything.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they they ship all over North America and stuff, and uh yeah, they used to give tours and everything, but so they don't anymore.

SPEAKER_05

I think D2 steel, whatever steel they use, super hard, hard to hard to sharpen, but it'll keep a really good edge.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, just really well built knives, yeah. They're not giving them oy.

SPEAKER_05

So Groman knives. I'm not I don't know. I don't think they were in a pig, if anything. If you said a lobster a lobster shack, maybe about a pig bar. Would you say X caliber?

SPEAKER_02

A Xcaliber, B, Island Reels, C, Princecraft.

SPEAKER_05

Island Reels is Newfoundland, I'm pretty sure. Yep.

SPEAKER_02

Uh they know more than we do.

SPEAKER_05

The that other one that's a bow, that's a bow company. I thought that was American.

SPEAKER_06

X caliber?

SPEAKER_05

But I guess it could be, it doesn't have to be a Canadian company.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, which Canadian outdoor company.

SPEAKER_05

Uh you said Princecraft? Boat? Yes, Canadian. From Ontario, maybe? And pig farming? I think that sounds like a good answer.

SPEAKER_06

Well educated answer.

SPEAKER_05

I'm probably totally wrong, but let's go with it. Yeah, we're gonna go Princecraft, whatever letter that was. That is incorrect.

SPEAKER_01

Fuck, that was what that's what I was gonna pick. Flat broke, you can steal it. Well, we're gonna. Uh that's what I was gonna pick. What were the Excalibur? I don't think it's knives.

SPEAKER_02

And B is island reels.

SPEAKER_04

It's gotta be Excalibur. It's gotta be Excalibur. Alright, we'll go with Excalibur.

SPEAKER_02

Dalton is on a roll, because that is correct.

SPEAKER_01

No way. Good job. Good job.

SPEAKER_02

Well, that's why I let him pick, duh. Dalton's on fire with the guests.

SPEAKER_01

Pretty good. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Better to be lucky.

SPEAKER_04

Better to be lucky than good boys.

SPEAKER_05

What is it? Four to three now?

SPEAKER_01

Five to three, but who's keeping score? Besides Lane and us. Gonna be calling them crows and ravens from miles away.

SPEAKER_02

The next question might be easier with uh the news that happened this week. Oh so team team Flap broke. What

Milo Hanson Buck And Record Drama

SPEAKER_02

year was the Milo Hansen buckshot? A 1987, B, 1993, C, 1990, 93, and D 1999. I think.

SPEAKER_01

I think. Why did it feel like 1982? I don't know. I thought it was 93. Go for it. Yeah, 93.

SPEAKER_02

That is correct. Nice.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, good job. Good job. Just cleaning up. Um tell us, yeah. So Milo Hansen passed away this week at the age of 81, I think. Sunday or Monday, yeah. And that's crazy that that deer held the score for typical. Oh, it still holds the score. And I think the one is 213 and 5'8, I think. And the one before that was like 206. So he smashed that record and kept it. And apparently it was on a deer drive. And the other guys, the other guys that did it, they shot at the deer, and I guess they'd all missed. And Milo was the so when the deer dri came to him during the drive, he hit it in the neck. We had a lever action 308. But yeah, you imagine like other the other guys had a shot. Like they had first dips on it, basically. They all shot and no one could hit it.

SPEAKER_05

I'm I'm pretty I'm 95% sure that um someone did hit it in the antler, and there's a chip in one of the bases of the antler. They almost blew an antler off. Really? Pretty sure.

SPEAKER_01

You imagine? Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. That deer made a lot of money because people would pay him quite a bit to take it to shows and all that. You knew a bit about that, didn't you, Elaine? Replicos. Yeah. Well well, replicas, but even the real thing. Like I think I think it made him like really good money.

SPEAKER_05

I'm pretty sure he quit farming and that's what he did. He toured with the biggest thing. Yeah, not that farming pays over 12.

SPEAKER_02

And there was always there was a big controversy with uh uh Rich Mom Rompola. Rich Rompola. Because that was that was in 1998, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And that would have been the world record typical. But he wouldn't get it scored because they think it X-rayed. Yeah, because they think that he put like some kind of paper mache shit or whatever in the analyst to make it bigger.

SPEAKER_02

And he he wouldn't let them. Milo Hansen actually uh filed lawsuit against him. Really? Because my uh Mitch Rampola was claiming claiming going to shows that he shot the world record typical, and Milo Hansen ended up filing a lawsuit saying, like, imagine the judge looking at that, non-hunter, they're like, what what are you what are you filing?

SPEAKER_01

But the money that's like he said his deer's bigger than mine, it's not touring having the world record typical. Well, even in uh Saskatchewan there, they even have like a great big replica deer statue of his deer, like home with Milo Hansen Buck. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

We're gonna put it in a rewind for a second here. So I found some conflicting information on the biggest bull moose taken on the Boone Crockett website. So according to state, so the previous record prior to Heinz knife was it is sorry. Rex J. Nick is the gentleman's name. So according to state law, moose antlers taken in unit 18, which is where I'm assuming it was harvested, must be destroyed by cutting the skull in half before it is sold. In this case, Rex's antlers were officially and legally scored before he cut them in half and sold them to Tony Nogi, the current owner. Rex's bulls Rex's bull was verified as a new world's record by two and seven eighths points by the twenty-ninth awards program judges panel when it convened at the end of April 2016. The previous world's record was taken by Heinz Knife in 2013 on the lower Yukon River and Yukon Territory. Even though Heinz's Bull, 263 and 58, was taken three years after Rex took his, it was the world's record for three years because Rex's bull's score wasn't verified until it was scored by the 29th Awards Program Judges Panel in 2016. Huh. The more you know, eh?

SPEAKER_02

That one was shot in Alaska. I was talking about Canadian.

SPEAKER_01

Oh. Sorry. But Jacob, don't be because I learned something. I thought we were looking for the biggest moose.

SPEAKER_03

No, go back to the question now.

SPEAKER_02

Largest Canadian moose recorded. And you're correct. Yes. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03

Sorry. No, I learned something. No, it was good. Yeah. Okay, I was getting ready because it's just where it had been held the world record. Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_02

That was the one you were talking about was shot in Alaska. Yes. Yes. That's the first one.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so that one in the one in Canada was held the record for a while. Yes. Held it for three years. Yes. That's Canadian record. And then the other one was re-scored. That seems fishy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I can't remember who we're at.

SPEAKER_02

Actually.

SPEAKER_06

You guys got the last one right. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Great.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Team broke back. Can I just start by saying when these two walked in, I thought these guys were gonna kick her asses. And the first couple questions, I was like, holy fuck.

SPEAKER_01

Well, they would be if you Dalton politely called you guys dumb.

SPEAKER_03

Lane's like, oh, they're good guys. They want a they want a name to poke fun at them. Then like I'm second-guessing the thing. I was intimidated here for a few minutes.

SPEAKER_02

Well, Ken told me he's like, they don't they want to be razzed and joked around with. I'm like, I told Jay could come up with some names.

SPEAKER_01

No, I actually thought Dalton I didn't stand a chance.

SPEAKER_06

We're not done yet.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, team broke back.

Lead Shot Ban Timeline And Shell Choices

SPEAKER_02

What year was lead shot banned for waterfowl hunting across Canada for field hunting?

SPEAKER_01

It wasn't just across Canada, was it? Because it's under the Migratory Birds Act, which is federal, which is under North America, so it's Canada, U.S. and Mexico.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, but I'm just talking about Canada.

SPEAKER_04

For field hunting? For field hunting. For field hunting only.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, because waterways was banned before that. Understood.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02

A 1991, B, 1994, C, 1996, D, 1999.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, waterfowl guy.

SPEAKER_05

I misled shot. Don't we all? Yeah, it's uh slightly cheaper. I remember uh we were hunting the St. John River the year they uh banned on over water.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, so you got an advantage over us because I have no idea.

SPEAKER_05

But that was water. And I would have to be honest, I thought it would have been the same. So you're saying it wasn't. What were those dates again?

SPEAKER_02

A nineteen ninety one, B, nineteen ninety-four, C nineteen ninety-six, and D nineteen ninety-nine.

SPEAKER_06

I was gonna say ninety nine if you remember the it was done after that. And how old were you in ninety-nine?

SPEAKER_02

I was one.

SPEAKER_06

Shot up.

SPEAKER_02

I was two.

SPEAKER_06

I joined the army at ninety. What are you worried about?

SPEAKER_02

I was correct when they were separate like that. Yeah, yeah, that's my thought. Yeah, that's a tough one. Maybe just guess it's working for Dalton.

SPEAKER_04

You want to answer for it?

SPEAKER_05

No.

SPEAKER_02

He would get a ring.

SPEAKER_04

No, I I know I I wasn't around for it. That was a big one. Like I never did the shoot lead yet. But I I know the age of guys that talk about it, so that's what I'm going off of. I don't know how old you are. Not gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_06

I'm certainly not gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_04

I didn't think you were old enough to be duck out in a 99, though. I'll give you that. Oh, thanks. No problem.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, you were. Because he said it was after that, right? After the water. Yeah.

unknown

99.

SPEAKER_05

I'm 99. I'm gonna say 99. 99. That is correct. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Okay, so here's my here's my logic. So I graduated high school in 97, and I remember. You know what else happened that year? You were born. Continue, sorry. What's your mother's name? You don't want to know her. Yeah. Continue. Yeah, and and that's when we were. I remember around that time that the boys were like, we gotta use this steel shot over water. And uh anyways. Everybody hate hated it. Oh yeah. But if you if you can shoot, if you can shoot, you can like you can kill geese with with like three-inch number threes. Yeah, you know, you don't need everybody everybody wants three and a half number twos, right? But yeah, if you can hit them, you can hit them.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, like I'll I'll use three and a half inch BB, but like, do you need it? No. Because there are times when there's threes in the gun and geese come in and it's like I'm not gonna unload.

SPEAKER_05

So but at least when you meet when you don't kill them with three and a half inch BB, yeah, yeah, you there's no excuse besides your shot. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04

Because if you're using anything smaller, you'd be like, ah, I should have brought the heavier load. So of all the stuff that's come though out of them shells in the last like because there's been a lot of development in those shells in the last 20 years, but is there any really any difference? Like, have you seen a difference?

SPEAKER_05

And I I've never bought anything in the last 20 years other than the cheapest. Yeah, if you can shoot, you can that's right. Yeah, yeah, like I agree. Um the old I want to say the old boys. I I know guys from Quebec that have been hunting sea ducks for 50 years, and they're the hardest. Like, you think a can a goose is hard to kill, you try killing an eider. Oh, yeah, doing 75 miles an hour. I'd love to. And and they used to just shoot they used to just hunt two and three quarter inch number fours. Yeah. It w back then it would have been lead.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah. Yeah. Everyone I can see, yeah. So 1991, certain areas in Canada were designated for non-toxic zones. Then it was banned nationwide in 97. Then lead pellets were still allowed and cartridges used to hunt in farm fields until the first of September 1999. After that date, non-toxic shot is required nationally for migratory game birds, except for American woodcock, band-tailed pigeons, and morning doves. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Fun fact.

SPEAKER_03

And uh, we're now at six to four.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

Conservation Groups And Duck Habitat Work

SPEAKER_02

We'll just uh do you want to start the question without it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. You could oh wait, wait, wait. Here he comes.

SPEAKER_02

Perfect timing. Okay, team Flat Broke. Which hunter-led conservation group sell celebrated its 100-year anniversary in 2011? A. Safari Club International. B Delta Waterfowl, C, QDMA, D, Pheasants Forever. Celebrated what again? It's 100-year anniversary. It's not Delta. Dalton's cheating.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, he's cheating. He's trying to find his SCI card.

SPEAKER_01

No, he doesn't have that. What were the club? I don't think it's Delta. I don't think it's Delta either. D uh Dallas Safari Club.

SPEAKER_02

A Safari Club International. Oh, Safari Club. B, Delta Waterfowl. C Q DMA. And D Pheasants Forever. I'm gonna say Safari Club. That is incorrect. What? Broke back your chance to steal.

SPEAKER_05

I don't know what QDMA is.

SPEAKER_02

Quality Deer Management Association.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Not SCI. Delta Waterfowl.

SPEAKER_02

What was the year? Yeah, what was the year? It would have been funded or created in 1911 because they spoke it's what celebrated their 100 year anniversary in 2011.

SPEAKER_03

What's wrong, Lee?

SPEAKER_02

I didn't know what one you were doing.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I was doing the last one. Well, it's either ducks or pheasants.

SPEAKER_06

As abstract as it sounds, it might be the pheasants. Why else would there be pheasants on there? You wouldn't just come up, oh, we're gonna put pheasants in here, just throw them off.

SPEAKER_05

Well, no, it's a big organization. Delta waterfowl. They all are, but only one of them's that old. Jeez, you were confident with not being Delta, but I almost think I almost think it is. I'll say why after, but this is on you to the lot of habitat for waterfowl a long time ago.

SPEAKER_06

Okay. Yeah, I'll agree with that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. Why are you putting it on me again? I'm gonna disagree with Ken, and I would say it's Delta Waterfowl. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

That is correct.

SPEAKER_01

Really? Because I thought they were created they're created after Ducks Unlimited, right?

SPEAKER_02

I did put Pheasants Forever to throw you guys off.

SPEAKER_04

Well, that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_01

What year was Ducks Unlimited created?

SPEAKER_04

I thought that was like 1920s or tens or something.

SPEAKER_01

I know Delta Water. I'm pretty sure Delta Waterfowl was created after Ducks Unlimited.

SPEAKER_02

It said Delta Waterfowl was uh created in September 25th, 1911.

SPEAKER_01

Are you sure it didn't say Ducks Unlimited lane? You read it along?

SPEAKER_02

No, that was Delta Waterfowl.

SPEAKER_03

What? I don't know, someone's belly was grumbling. 1937 for Ducks Unlimited. No shit.

SPEAKER_01

Delta Waterfowl. 1911, yeah. I'm shocked. I could have sworn it was created after. The morning. Because when I had Jesse in here talking about it and stuff, he was. I guess he didn't say it was created after, but I because they're different, Delta Waterfowl and Ducks Unlimited. I'm surprised. I'm very surprised.

SPEAKER_05

Speaking of Ducks Unlimited, they've done a ton of conservation in New Brunswick. Oh yeah. It's great. I would have like, well, you live in Oramukto. I used to live in Oramoucto and even out now. Hang out on the Oramukto River and all the marshes. Like you look at Google Earth, I'd love to see how they made all that.

SPEAKER_03

They got one on the St. China River. It's one of the islands in the middle of the marshes, the shape of the Ducks Unlimited logo.

SPEAKER_05

The trend. Yeah, the trend is the shape of the logo.

SPEAKER_03

You can see it from the map. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I can't believe Delta's older. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Now correct me if I'm wrong, too. So Delta and Ducks Unlimited, they almost have a little different approach to management. Seems Delta's more predator control and nesting boxes where Ducks Unlimited seems to be big on habitat and reproduction. I think they get deeper pockets. Oh yeah. So the whole idea, I know, for so back in the 30s, the duck population was next to nothing. It was almost gone. Yeah, because because of marketing. Market hunting was a big one to do with that. Yeah. There was no limit. Like so Ducks Unlimited saw this.

SPEAKER_04

Well, they were selling ducks for was it five dollars a bird in the early 1900s and 2000s. I have no idea on that particular. It was a pile, like that's a lot of money in the early 1900s, right?

SPEAKER_03

But uh so Ducks Unlimited started so jack them now for that price.

SPEAKER_01

No.

SPEAKER_03

It's an American outfit. But so where do all the ducks lay their eggs at? They all come up to Canada to breed. Yeah. So that's why you see so much Ducks Unlimited stuff bought up around, especially New Brunswick, Canada, the North, the Arctic. Like they buy it all up and protect it. That's why they have ducks to shoot in their own season.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm surprised. I thought I thought Ducks Limited was much older.

SPEAKER_06

I also thought that. So we stole that, didn't we?

SPEAKER_02

Yep, so it's your guys' question.

BC Grizzly Ban And Public Sentiment

SPEAKER_02

BC banned hunting a grizzly bears in 2017 due to the population crash below a thousand. True or false?

SPEAKER_06

Alberta just reinstated the world show. Alberta just reinstated their grizzly hunt, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Uh partially. Partially. It's by uh it's like it's it's you put your name in, and if they have like a problem there, you have like 24 hours to get out there. Oh, okay. Something like that. It's so it's not really like by a tag, it's it's different. But they should, because anyone I've talked to from Alberta, they said that the grizzly bear population's it needs managed a little stricter than it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

No, I ran Google.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, okay. Repeat the question. BC banned highly of grizzly bear in 2017 due to population crash of below 1,000.

SPEAKER_06

I find that hard.

SPEAKER_02

True or false.

SPEAKER_06

I find that hard. Like I don't know.

SPEAKER_05

You wouldn't No. Let's just think all the salmon rivers and the salmon runs and the big I I find R to believe below a thousand.

SPEAKER_06

I think it's yeah, I think it's false.

SPEAKER_01

All right, well, false.

SPEAKER_06

Now that you spell it out. That is true.

unknown

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01

It went below a thousand. I thought they canceled false is the true question.

SPEAKER_05

That's correct, you mean that's false because it's true.

SPEAKER_01

Go ahead, come back. Um yeah, the the hunt was cancelled over politics, I think, really.

SPEAKER_03

They followed this one pretty clearly it was. It was I followed it closely. It was public sentiment. Yeah. It was a ban on trophy hunting, is what they deemed it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and now their population's out of control, and they're looking at bringing it back in because they've had a lot of problems.

SPEAKER_06

We're even 6-6. How many questions are there? Not that it matters.

SPEAKER_02

Uh 17, and I got a couple tiebreaker ones if needed.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02

Uh, we're at team flat broke. What year was uh the Canadian Heritage Day established? A 2009, B, 2007, C, 2014, or D 2010.

SPEAKER_01

Could you tell us about the Canadian Heritage Day? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05

They ought they ought to know it.

SPEAKER_01

Specifically, uh what year is established? You should know what it is. Dalton and I have hunted for it before. Well, Dalton?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, the waterfowl here?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, the Heritage Day. Canadian Heritage Day. Oh, I'm talking about. Oh, see, no one knows what the hell you're talking about, Lane. No. That's across the board.

SPEAKER_04

We have. If I read the years again, Lane.

SPEAKER_02

A, 2009, B, 2007, C, 2014, D, 2010.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. My process of elimination. It's not. I don't think it's 2014. I feel like it's 2010. Final answer.

SPEAKER_02

That is incorrect.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, what we meant to say was I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05

I remember I told my wife that I'd allow to take a youth duck hunting and thought about putting an ad for a kid to hang out for the day.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. You gotta be careful how you word that. Candy included. Yeah, we didn't big white van. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

No, we didn't do that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Meet me at my van for a great day duck hunting. Yeah. No need to bring anything, I've got it.

SPEAKER_05

It wouldn't be 2014 either, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02

What were the the other 2009, 2007, 2014, and 2010?

SPEAKER_05

I'd say nine.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Do you have any idea?

SPEAKER_06

Not a clue. You say I'm confident. Well, you gotta be.

SPEAKER_05

Let's say nine.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That is incorrect. It's actually 2014. Really? Oh, we didn't get the chance. It's that recent. That sounds fairly recent.

SPEAKER_03

So it gained royal assent in 2014, but the First one celebrated was 2015.

SPEAKER_01

Really?

SPEAKER_04

So we probably hunted the second one.

SPEAKER_02

First or second one, yeah. Yeah, it would have been. Could I hunt as kids?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

As youth? No. No, we took my brother and his buddy.

SPEAKER_02

Did we take your brother first? Did we take my cousin first?

SPEAKER_04

No, we took my brother first, then I think we took your cousin after because my brother's older than him.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, that's right. Yeah, we did it two years ago.

SPEAKER_04

I forgot about the second time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Piece of history.

SPEAKER_02

So we're at broke back. What

Hunting Participation Rates Across Canada

SPEAKER_02

percent?

unknown

We get our point.

SPEAKER_02

No point.

SPEAKER_01

No. Almost worked.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, it almost did. I think that's the first question that we all get wrong. Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_02

What percent of Canadians participate in at least one day of hunting annually? A 17? B 20. C eleven. D eight.

SPEAKER_06

Read the question again.

SPEAKER_02

What percent of Canadians participate in at least one day of hunting annually?

SPEAKER_05

Well, we just talked about the w the provinces, how many percentage of the Canadian population.

SPEAKER_02

At least once.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, sorry. I think it's a low number.

SPEAKER_02

Annually?

SPEAKER_05

Is that annually? Annually, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I couldn't imagine many from uh Toronto going hunting.

SPEAKER_02

What were those answers again? A 17, B20, C11, D eight. But you also gotta consider, like here, there'd be a lot of people that hunt at least one day, and you gotta think in the northern states too. Or the provinces, like that's kind of right of passage.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, but there's I thought we just talked about the number of licenses sold in each province. Like Newfoundland. It's not like per license purchase it, it's at least it's hunted. You have to assume that every license per lease they'd go one day. I'd think it's eight.

SPEAKER_02

And it's every speech that's every species across the board.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I'd go with eight. I think it's a low number. It has to be. It has to be a low number. It can't be that big. What is it? 40 million people in Canada?

SPEAKER_05

They're boats. Yeah, let's go eight. I bet it's not, but let's. We're not confident with eight, but that's what we're going with. That is correct.

SPEAKER_06

I knew it all along.

SPEAKER_05

Confident enough.

SPEAKER_04

I was gonna say 11 or the opposite. It was a low number.

SPEAKER_06

There's a lot of people, and there's you know only so much use that uh getting up.

SPEAKER_05

We need to we need to increase that number.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, definitely. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, team flat broke. But score. Score, yeah. What if you guys came back? It's told you it's 7-6, you guys.

SPEAKER_06

Or six seven.

SPEAKER_01

That was my curl call without the thing. How many questions left? Yeah, two lane to count. Good luck.

SPEAKER_02

Two. Two. Two, and I got some other ones if need be. Alright. I can look up the answer real quick. Okay.

Final Questions And New Brunswick Bear Numbers

SPEAKER_02

Largest land animal in Canada. A. Wood bison. B Yukon moose. C grizzly bear. D coastal brown bear. Bison.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That is correct. I know. That's why figured that. Yeah, moose are big, but they're tall. Bison are like they're a lot shorter, but they are thick. I think I think they've got like I forget how many pants they have on a moose, but quite a bit. They're a lot bigger. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So we get it's tied out. Tied 7-7. We got one question left. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

And it goes to us. No pressure. Yeah. No pressure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, these are not always ties. No.

SPEAKER_02

No, you might actually know the answer to this one.

SPEAKER_04

He's saying you're old.

SPEAKER_02

Well, no. If he isn't, you are. I think this was 2023. The estimated bear population in New Brunswick. A, 20 to 22,000. B 16 to 18,000. C 14 to 16,000. Or D 25,000 plus.

SPEAKER_06

We have the highest black bear population per however they say that. In New Brunswick.

SPEAKER_05

Per square kilometer.

SPEAKER_06

Per square kilometer, yeah. My colon said that one day.

SPEAKER_05

In North America. In North America. Is found here in New Brunswick.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_06

It's a high number, but I don't know how high.

SPEAKER_05

I think a safe answer would be 25 plus, because they wouldn't know, like, they're not going to say they're not going to know exactly.

SPEAKER_06

No, that's right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think the people that put those numbers in are like really guessing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they are. Because they get the hunters to do the surveys. Like, ah, just tell us what you saw. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Uh yeah, I'd go with that. Sound like a good answer? Yeah, I think so. 25,000 plus. Or 25. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That is incorrect. Flat broke? For the win. For the win. Dalton. Would you like me to repeat the numbers?

SPEAKER_06

No.

SPEAKER_02

A, 20 to 22,000. B 16 to 18,000. C 14 to 16,000. And we know it's not D25 plus.

SPEAKER_01

If you notice Lane's pitch and his voice gets higher, I think when it's on the right one. But it's kind of hard to tell a bit. Dalton take it away.

SPEAKER_04

Well, even if we don't get it, we still should get the next question. Alright, B.

SPEAKER_01

That is correct.

SPEAKER_06

Yes! What are the other questions?

SPEAKER_01

We're calling crows. You guys are eating crow.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I got a tiebreaker question, that's it. But it's not a tie, so. No, but you can ask it. Yeah, you can ask it. But it's over.

SPEAKER_06

Three points bonus.

SPEAKER_02

I don't even know if Ken would know this, and it's about him. Um as of net right now, like all the episodes, how many non-Canadian guests have he had has he had on?

SPEAKER_01

I'd say s just slightly under half, maybe. Uh 104 episodes.

SPEAKER_06

I don't know if I 52 is half of one of four.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Um, but yeah, I've had a lot of you know, because we've done a lot of trivias, and then people just from around telling their hunting stories. I don't know, I'm gonna guess like 28.

unknown

14.

SPEAKER_02

You would you guys like to guess?

SPEAKER_06

Sure, we'll guess, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

Um it's gonna be like the prices, right? It's it's it's lower just because 15.

SPEAKER_02

Like if they guess it right, should we give them a point? And then they'll think of another question.

SPEAKER_01

If it's dead right.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, come on.

SPEAKER_01

Um, I'm just thinking because we have you know the trivias and stuff, and you know, just people around that are conveniently close to come in studio. Yeah, it's probably lower. Uh it's probably like I'm gonna start. Does that include the phone call guys? The guys that's gonna be a good one. Yeah, it's the phone call.

SPEAKER_06

It's only phone calls. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You gotta think we you didn't have a lot of call-ins to start either.

SPEAKER_01

I had one that one from Florida pretty quick. That was right up there. That was like in I think the top, that was in the first five, maybe. Really? Or around that. Yeah, I had that one from Florida Trophy Adventures, trophy hunting adventures. They were pretty early. I'm gonna guess actually I'm gonna take it lower. I'm gonna guess like 18. What's your guess? You're going higher. You said 15.

SPEAKER_02

No, I said, well, at first I said 28, but if you guys guess it on the dot, I'll give you the point and then I'll think of a tiebreaker question.

SPEAKER_00

That's fair. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Uh we're just picking a number. 21. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Of course, when Lane's host is get all the funny rules. 67.

unknown

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06

Whatever you think. We're just picking a number out of the straws here.

SPEAKER_05

You said 18, I'd say 17.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, we'll go 17.

SPEAKER_05

I said 16.

SPEAKER_06

You said 18. You said 18.

SPEAKER_01

I did, but you locked it in at 18.

SPEAKER_02

It was 20.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

I said 28 first.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, yeah. All right, so we win.

SPEAKER_02

So team flat broke, you guys win. And I need you to uh each demonstrate uh your new brand new calls from River Edge Game Calls.

SPEAKER_06

It doesn't go in there, Ken.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

The one that Dalton has the one that blew with my butt.

SPEAKER_06

Turn it around.

SPEAKER_05

All right. They sound good. They do. Except you did a little funky thing there. They sound good.

SPEAKER_03

They're nice calls, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Good for doing uh.

SPEAKER_03

I was researching the tiebreaker question too.

SPEAKER_06

The biggest black bear in uh North America.

SPEAKER_03

Well, everyone knows that in the case. We already did that on our bear trivia, did you? Yeah. How many

Bonus Caribou History And Wrap Up

SPEAKER_03

boon and crook official Boone and Crockett caribou have been recorded and harvested in New Brunswick?

SPEAKER_04

I bet you it's a lot more than we think it is. Because there was caribou in half a lot.

SPEAKER_03

I'll give you a hint. It's not zero.

SPEAKER_04

No, don't.

SPEAKER_03

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not telling you.

SPEAKER_03

I'm pretty sure I thought it was. I'm not telling you. Okay, well, you know, you can't guess then.

SPEAKER_02

I'm pretty sure I knew it anyway, but yeah, that's fine.

unknown

18.

SPEAKER_05

I said eight, Dalton says eighteen.

unknown

Ten.

SPEAKER_05

It was a big, it was a big uh hunt back in the day, northern New Brunswick. But to get a boon and crock it, though.

SPEAKER_06

If it's not zero, maybe it's one or two.

SPEAKER_01

Like what'd you say? Uh I said eight, Dalton said eighteen.

SPEAKER_06

I'm going with like two.

SPEAKER_05

No. Well, we're all playing against each other now. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 17. 17.

SPEAKER_03

You should have trusted your partner. It is two.

SPEAKER_00

Crap, that's the first one.

SPEAKER_03

There's two Bruno Crockett Woodland caribou harvested New Brunswick, one in 1898 by FW Ayer at 356 and 1416, now owned by the Carnegie Museum. And the second, it was harvested in 1899 by R.W. Galbach, 330 and 1016.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. And then what pushed them out was the agriculture and white-tailed deer. And people shooting the hell out of them.

SPEAKER_03

Like uh New Brunswick used to have walruses. Yeah. St. John had a lot of like if you all are on Fundy Coast full of walruses, all they're out they got hunted out too. Really? Same as the wolves. Like the wolves have the bounty program. That's good. We don't want any wolves here. Yeah. But uh yeah, the carib, yeah, people just shot the hell out of them mostly.

SPEAKER_04

They had a bounty program on porcupines, too, at one time.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

No, bounty on porcupines. And then people found out about it, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, to think it was their I don't know. It was their nose, I think. Yeah, you had to cut off the nose for porcupines. Was it?

SPEAKER_05

I thought it was nose. Yeah, there was one. I thought it was porcupine, it was like the front left paw.

SPEAKER_01

Really? And I remember that when I was lane. I didn't know how long ago was first hosting uh Dalton, our first win together. Go team. And uh Jeremy and Sean, thanks for coming out. Thank you. Jacob, thanks for looking up stuff.

SPEAKER_03

Thanks for coming out.