Exceptionally Good: Leaders for a Better World

10. Bernie Shakeshaft - “Do whatever it takes for as long as it takes.”

Ryan Maxwell Season 2 Episode 1

Bernie Shakeshaft is the founder of Backtrack Youth Works, a nonprofit based in Armidale, New South Wales, Australia. For nearly 20 years, Bernie and his pack of working dogs have helped young people who’ve been kicked out of everything—school, home, the justice system—find purpose, responsibility, and healing.


In this episode, Bernie shares how his own troubled youth, time as a jackaroo, and lessons from Aboriginal elders shaped the radical, relationship-driven model of Backtrack. From confronting youth tragedies and incarceration to chasing dreams and building trust through dogs, Bernie’s story is one of deep commitment and humility.

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We discuss:

  • What kids really need to survive and thrive
  • How dogs teach us to lead with empathy
  • The cost of following rules when they go against what’s right
  • What it means to step back and plan for the next generation of leadership


Watch & Learn More:

Backtrack Boys – Documentary

Bernie’s Man of the Year acceptance video (2020 Australian Local Hero)

Backtrack Youth Works


“We do whatever it takes, for as long as it takes.”


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