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Grant Caraway: How One Coach Is Redefining Football Training for a New Generation
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Grant Carraway's journey from frustrated quarterback to respected trainer reveals the power of creating solutions to problems you've personally experienced. As founder of First Down Training, Grant has built a thriving business by filling the void he encountered as a young player searching for quality quarterback instruction.
"I was constantly on YouTube searching for stuff and trying to find any type of information, and there was nothing out there," Grant recalls of his playing days. This frustration sparked his mission to create accessible, high-quality training resources for quarterbacks and receivers. Unlike many trainers who simply run athletes through repetitive drills, Grant prioritizes teaching fundamentals and ensuring athletes truly understand concepts they can apply independently.
What sets First Down Training apart is Grant's ability to translate complex biomechanics into language young athletes can comprehend. Though lacking formal education in kinesiology, his player-first perspective has proven advantageous: "Being able to digest that and understand it myself makes you a better teacher." This approach resonates particularly well with quarterbacks looking to refine their mechanics and receivers seeking to modernize their route-running techniques.
The growth of First Down Training wasn't overnight success but the product of relentless effort. Grant shares three pivotal moments in his journey: his first viral video that created continuous exposure, the pandemic-era digital boom when he expanded to multiple platforms, and his breakthrough camp in New Jersey that launched consistent national sell-outs. Throughout this expansion, he's maintained his commitment to responding personally to messages and comments, spending 2-3 hours daily engaging with followers despite his growing audience.
Looking forward, Grant plans to expand his camps to include more positions while potentially entering the recruiting space "the right way" - avoiding the common pitfalls of impersonal mass recruitment services. His ultimate vision includes training facilities in multiple states to serve athletes year-round, particularly in colder regions where indoor training is essential.
Whether you're a parent seeking quality instruction for your athlete, a player looking to improve, or a coach interested in modern training methods, Grant's story demonstrates that authentic expertise combined with genuine care for athletes creates both business success and meaningful impact.
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Introduction to Grant Carraway
Speaker 1You know, one of the most important kids you'll ever coach is the one that needs the program more than the program needs that kid. Welcome to Above the Whistle with your host, devin McCann. All right, we're live. Welcome to another edition of Above the Whistle. This week we have the quarterback guru, the wide receiver whisperer and the founder of First Down Training, grant Carraway. Thanks for jumping on man.
Speaker 2Yeah, no problem, man. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. I'm sure it'll be good. I'm sure we're getting some good stuff. So I appreciate it.
Speaker 1Yeah, absolutely. Let's just dive in. What inspired you to found First Down Training? Kind of walk us back. You know, I know you played football in Southern California, went on to play college football at a small university, but kind of what led from that to actually coaching and ultimately founding first down training?
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, I think for me it was always like trying to make some sort of like resource for that I wish I had when I was a player. I think that was the biggest thing, I think. You know, when I was a player, we, you know, I had like a quarterback coach and I had like trainers that I really only just one guy that I would go to, but he was kind of like older school and I always and I felt like I was, you know, he taught me a lot about like X's and O's and like you know, like how to be a quarterback and stuff like that. But I always felt like I was missing something mechanically and I always felt like it wasn't always quite there. I just felt like there was more to it. And that was kind of like before like social media trainers were really ever a thing.
Speaker 2So I was constantly on YouTube, like whatever, just searching for stuff and trying to find any type of information, and there was nothing out there. It was like dudes from like you know, like the 1980s talking about this stuff and it's like it's a little bit outdated like, and you could compare what they're teaching to what actual nfl quarterbacks are doing and you're like well, that's wrong, this guy doesn't do that, this guy doesn't do it. So there was nobody really explaining it. So, through me, for me it was just like watching a ton of film on like the best guys and just being like okay, what do they all do have in common? Okay, they all throw this way, they're all kind of set up this way, et cetera.
Speaker 2And then so when I wanted to start this, it was more so with that kind of in mind like I want there to be a resource, you know, and obviously it's a business and I'm sure we'll get into a lot of that but at the same time it was just I want a resource for athletes where, like, if they don't have a trainer, maybe they can't afford a trainer, or maybe there's not a lot of training in their area, like when we travel to other states, like when we go to like the Midwest, they'll be like man, there's not a trainer, like for like four hours away, like we can't drive to a trainer. So like they're like we just watch your videos and like that was kind of the goal. Like the goal was to make kind of a resource for people to be able to like get solid information on the quarterback position, receiver position, and then really just honestly, we talk a lot about just anything really football related that we're, we feel we're well-versed in. So that was kind of the motivation, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1No, absolutely. You know, one of the best things to do is create something that you kind of wish you had, right, like it really is a great igniter for a lot of different projects that are very fruitful. So yeah, I totally understand. You know, just seeing that void and you know wishing you had it as a kid and trying to fulfill it. You know now as an adult, with that said, did you have kind of a background with biomechanics and you know sports, kinesiology and that sort of stuff? Where you were were looking at these kind of older old school coaches and you kind of broke it down. You're like I don't know if biomechanically that's the most sound is. I mean, how did that all evolve?
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean I think I didn't really have like a biomechanic background. That's nothing I've ever really like kind of like researched and looked into there. Some well, like obviously looked into and researched now, but like I would say I wouldn't really have a background in that. I didn't really even necessarily know when I was first like researching stuff like that, like that's what what it was. I was just kind of looking at how athletes moved and mainly the quarterback position. And you know, there was um a video that I remember like it was like a very, very like it stuck with me obviously to this day.
Speaker 2But there was was like um Tim Tebow when he was reconstructing his motion. There was a video that like ESPN put out and it was like um, I want to say it was Trent Dilfer and he was working with Trent Dilfer. And then there was another guy named Tom house, who was also working with Tebow, who kind of fixed a lot of things and he had a similar problem that I had. He had that really long wind up and that was always my problem because I came from a baseball background and I was like I watched that video probably like a hundred times, just like every little thing that they talked about. I was like, okay, that makes sense, that makes sense. And I'd pull bits and pieces of it and start looking at like top tier guys, like a guy like Aaron Rodgers or a guy like Tom Brady or whoever, who have a really solid and clean throwing motion, and like, okay, that's what he meant by that, that's what he meant by that, and it was kind of like a, like a comparison game, if you will.
Speaker 2Um, but no really background in that and, honest to God, I really think I feel like that helps as a coach, because you're kind of having to find ways where your brain clicks and you have to dumb it down. Like I think a lot of the, the biomechanical stuff like I was never a science guy or anything like that, and so, like you use a lot of these like big words and like you're talking about frequency stuff like that, and you're just like I'm confused. I don't even know what this guy's talking about, but I feel like for me personally, being able to like digest that and be able to understand it myself, I think that makes you a better teacher. That's just my opinion and I feel like that's what a lot of parents and a lot of kids will tell me, is that you break it down to where they're actually able to understand and they, like even even younger kids, are able to understand, and I think that's but no real background in that. But that's generally how I got knowledge of the topic. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, absolutely. It's kind of taking it into the lab and working on it yourself and being able to kind of translate you know that to the athletes. So kind of walk us through that grind though. When you first founded, first down training, you know how did you get your first couple of athletes and what did the grind look like in the very beginning yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2So I coached for a year at a high school in my like general area and that kind of gave me the bug to do like private training and like honestly, like I used that school like I only coached for a year.
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Speaker 2That really wasn't my thing. Coaching for a school I was more interested in working with like athletes, like one-on-one, rather than a setting. Some guys love that. That's great. That's just not really like my deal and, um, I kind of like use that as almost like I would just honestly send out just like through like Facebook, instagram, like when I had no following. It was just my name and I would just be like, hey, I'm a coach at boss out like I played here. Do you guys? Are you guys interested in training as interested in lessons? Because I felt that there wasn't many people doing that at the time, like where they're reaching out to people directly. I felt like most people had like a website or a name or some type of social platform and then people would come to them and so I was like, well, I'm going to reach out to people and just be like hey, listen, and it was at a super discounted rate from what people were charging in the area. So I was like, well, hey, just come out. And my thought process was like, if I could get you know three guys and then work with them, they see results, because it's a results driven business. If they see results, then they're going to refer me, or at least I could ask them for a referral and be like hey, do you have any teammates who you think would get benefit out of this and not even let them do it? Be like, hey, I'll reach out to them, like all like what's their number? I'll contact them. So it was a lot of that in the beginning stages.
Speaker 2Um, and then, as far as like, social social media helped a ton. I think getting a following obviously helped a ton. And making like a separate brand rather than just being me and there's really no like football content that I post um, obviously helped a ton. And I remember the beginning days of that. It was a, it was a grind.
Speaker 2I remember saying like this is before you get like on Instagram, I would literally just like pace in my room for like six hours, just like comment on people's posts. Like for like six hours. Just like comment on people's posts. Like asking, like, just like. Literally like it'd be a quarterback throwing and I would just give them some type of like little feedback on it and they would end up following me. I'd have you know posts like, and they saw that the posts were consistent. So they start watching the posts, maybe they DM me and then so building a brand that way um helped a lot, but there were a lot of long days of of that. And then combining that with, you know, reaching out to athletes to just get them to train, and then obviously, you know, four clients turns into eight, eight turns into 12, 15, et cetera, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1No, absolutely. It's the secret of you know overnight success right.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1No one sees all those long hours you're putting in and the grind and, yeah, those six hours back and forth and and just reaching out to multiple people and things like that. Like, I mean it, if you want to be successful in any sort of walk of life, it really you got to put in the effort. Yeah, is there a moment in time, though, where you kind of started to get that tipping point, where you started to see more of a national um, you know kind of you know success within your brand? I mean, was there a moment where, all of a sudden, things started to kind of grow faster and exponentially for you?
Speaker 2There were three moments I would say like off the top of my head that stood out to me Like. One was the first post that went like viral, if you will. Like it was just, it was random, Like it was. It was just for whatever reason, but it was. We were probably like about a year into it, maybe a little less, maybe like six months into it, of just that grind of just hours upon hours upon hours upon hours, growing it from zero followers to however many we had at the time, and then we posted one video and, for whatever reason, that video ran and we didn't put any ads on it, nothing. And that's when.
Speaker 2Ever since then, every day has been a consistent flow of like, more exposure, more you know, like followers, if you will I don't want to do it for followers, but like more athletes come into the page, et cetera. And then the second tipping point would be that was like around like 2019 would be COVID, because everybody went on their phone. So during COVID, I was probably the first trainer to post consistently on YouTube and consistently on TikTok. Everybody was on Instagram but nobody was on TikTok because they thought it was like a dumb dancing app, which I mean partially, was true at that time. And then a lot of people thought that it was like YouTube was just, it was hard to break through and YouTube, because it's just it's it's a tougher platform these days. But I remember during COVID cause everybody went to their phone. My TikTok following went from like like literally like we just mentioned, like overnight success, like overnight it it that's just cause. The platform was crazy at the time and it was brand new, but that's where kids were. And so that whole COVID year to 2021, I never really stopped and it was just. Everything went off the wall as far as our online training, our online subscriptions grew, our digital product sales grew. Obviously the brands grew. And then you start getting attention from sponsors and stuff like that. I don't do too much of that, but at that time you start getting attention from that and start making ad revenue from YouTube. So that changed a lot.
Speaker 2And then I would say probably 2022, when we started doing our camp tour where we were going to other states. The first three camps did not do well. We still profited from a business perspective and there were still a lot of athletes there. It really isn't a lot compared to what we're doing now, but it was like maybe like 30, 35 athletes, which I thought was cool. I mean, like you know, 30, 35 athletes and not in California, like that's great. And then I remember the first camp that we sold out was in New Jersey, and that's funny because that's where we're going this weekend, but it sold out in New Jersey.
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Speaker 2And then, ever since then, every camp sold out. It was just for whatever reason. It was weird because that was when I first started doing like the mic'd up videos, where I'm working with athletes and I'm mic'd up, and that was the first video that we hit, where we hit like a million plus views. And so ever since that time, every single camp is sold out. And those are probably the three most pivotal moments of the time. That's a long-winded answer, but that's what, yeah, off the top of my head, that's, those are the ones that stand out the most, you know yeah, no, I'd love the answer.
Speaker 1um, I think it's extremely valuable to you know listeners to kind of hear you know there there are benchmarks and success and like you talked about. You know there's a grind, but typically, typically there are kind of these little tipping points or these, these moments in time where you look back and you're like that was, that was a pivotal moment in success of this business and you know we saw some significant growth that at that moment. So it's cool to hear you know you kind of reflect on those moments. Yeah, how do you decide what content to put out?
Speaker 2A lot of it is trial and error. Like there are like topics that I know will hit, like there are topics that I know and it's mainly from interacting with athletes. Like I never wanted to be the dude that got, like you know, a little bit of attention and then stopped interacting with people. So like I answer every comment and I respond to every DM, so constantly just answer like and it takes up probably two, three hours of my day if I'm being honest, but I enjoy it and it. But it keeps me sharp because if I got 10 athletes asking about the same topic, okay, that's a video.
Speaker 2But now how can I creatively convey, convey that message? And then, and so it's the same thing with comments, the same thing with that, and then I'll probably spend like an hour a day like just like brainstorming and writing stuff on like a notebook and just trying to figure out like what works, what won't work. Um, and there's like kind of a formula to it, if you will like, like the platforms, like the algorithms constantly change. So like you know like, uh, like tick, tock the videos where there's no like if I'm you know like certain videos don't do well on that platform. Certain videos don't do well on that platform. Certain videos won't do well on Instagram, so you've got to kind of roll with the algorithms and kind of figure it out.
Speaker 1But the topics generally are the same and it's from interacting with people, so I can definitely comment on you taking a couple hours of your day replying to posts and things like that. I mean, I sent you a DM through Instagram and you, you, you responded quite quickly, which I thought was really cool. Um, so it shows how much you care about your brand, about the athletes you work with, um, and things like that. So, yeah, I commend you on all that. Um, do you do all the editing on these videos yourself? Do you have a team that you kind of work with?
Speaker 2Yeah, so at this moment I'm a little bit in between things with the team, but for the probably the last like two years I have people that edit it. I post everything except on YouTube. I usually have people post on YouTube for me, not the shorts but the long form YouTube videos. I generally have somebody post it for me. But I'll have an ad. We just hired two new editors, um this week actually. But, yeah, I have a team that handles it. I film all the stuff. We just upload it to Dropbox that's what we use and then they'll just kind of clip it, re-upload it back to me or post it, and so, yeah, we have a pretty good. I would say it's a pretty well-oiled machine in that respect, because we're able to have a high output. That was always my goal, you have.
Speaker 1I mean sometimes a couple of times a day. It seems like, oh yeah, maybe that's just the algorithm and that's you know. They're showing up on my feed a couple of times a day.
Speaker 2But no, we post like, yeah, like on Instagram we're four a day. Tiktok three a day. Facebook two a day, YouTube three or four. So like, not long form on YouTube, long form for you on a day, because those take a little bit more effort and time.
Speaker 1But the short form stuff, stuff, we just try to crank as much as we can. Okay, cool, how does your, your training system and your coaching differ from some of the other ones out there? Because, like, when you started, right, like you said, you were one of the first ones on instagram, tiktok, but now there are other you know, quarterback coaches, football coaches that are using that same sort of a medium yeah, um, I would.
Speaker 2I would say it's we actually coach, like I think, and we teach. I think there's a lot of dudes out there that have a big name and you know, maybe they played high level ball and like props, like you know what I mean. Good for them, um, but that doesn't make them a good coach. And I think a lot of times parents get roped into these things where it's you know, oh, I'm going to go train here, and then it's just, and they do it for, like the look of it, at least in southern california that's how it is like they go to these places to train because like, oh well, he trained such as I, he trained such as I think the coach is on his phone, like he's just, it's just all right, let's go as fast as we can. Like it's just your head out there, yeah, and it's stupid.
Speaker 2And so anybody that comes to a session of mine or a camp, like we're actually going, like that's what we're getting paid to do, that's what we're, like, that's what gets the athlete better, so we're actually going to coach them and actually going to train them. So I would say that's where we differ. It's not a reps thing, it's a teaching thing and you may not get a million reps with us, but you're going to learn something and at the end of the day, like one training session is not going to make you coaching points that you learn. I don't want you to go home and then just forget about it and then you're right back into your bad habits because you're not focused on it, like so I want them to actually understand and it's on them to rep it out at their own time or they come back for more work. It's up to them.
Speaker 1But but yeah, it's what they do in their off time with the stuff you've taught them. That really makes that difference 100. No, I completely agree with you. Um, so you do you kind of tailor to quarterbacks and receivers. Um, how do you tailor kind of those different personalities? Because you know, I mean, quarterbacks are typically a certain type of personality and receivers are, you know, a different type of personality. Yeah, change your coaching based off of that.
Speaker 2A little bit. I think it just depends, like, generally, most of the guys that I train are it's rare that I'll work with guys who have bad attitudes. Super rare, I think, when, like now at least, when they come to a training session or a camp, they know what they're in for just because of how much we post on social media. So I think we get a lot of the same type of kid who's just like hungry for info, wants to work, um, but there's definitely some differences between receivers and quarterbacks and I think quarterbacks quarterbacks I could be a little more technical with and be like I don't want to say harder on but expect more of, and then with receivers, I think I'm a little bit more.
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Speaker 2I'm still very technical with receivers and I think I'm a little bit more, um, like relaxed with receivers, like I almost treat receivers like how I would treat receivers when I played. You know like it's like I'm still coaching them, we're still talking, I still expect a lot out of them, but like I would say it's more like you know, like I keep it a little bit lighter, not a ton, but a little bit lighter with receivers, just because I feel like if you get on the receivers a little bit, they don't. Uh, they're not too fond of that, you know no, they're not.
Speaker 1Um, I mean so you you kind of mentioned it you know quarterbacks. You do kind of have a higher standard for quarterbacks, just typically, and you know it's because they typically carry the emotional weight of the team. There's a lot more pressure put on them. How do you train leadership in them? Are you able to train leadership into a quarterback in your settings?
Speaker 2You do have kind of a limited amount of time with them yeah, I mean honestly, like what I try to convey to my guys is you just lead by more. So example, like we're not really necessarily talking about. Like hey, like you know you're to be a good leader, you need to do this we don't necessarily really focus on that, but I am on them big time. Like especially like I get a lot of situations where kids will come to me and they'll be like hey, we're in like a position battle this year. Like, hey, I'm a sophomore, I want to start like. And so we do talk a lot about like leading from the front and leading by example. And like the work that you put in and the stuff that you do, like in the gym, off the field, bringing your receivers here, like that sets a tone. So we do talk a little bit about that, but it's not I wouldn't say that's a major focus of ours.
Speaker 1Right, right, and I didn't, you know, think it would be just because of the space you're in. But you know, with the idea, you know, yeah, that leadership role it's cool to hear that you know. You do kind of talk to them about, well, try to bring in your receiving court group, lead by example, lead from the front, that sort of thing. You kind of mentioned it. With your receivers. You're a little bit more lax. Do you teach creativity and kind of IQ with your receivers when they're running routes, or are you pretty strict on no, this is the route, this is the concept.
Speaker 2Yeah, I would say it's a little bit of both. I'm I'm very strict on it being efficient. Like I don't like the, the, the fake stuff you see on social media, the, the, the fancy, like half halfway in the route doing a move, like we don't do none of that. Like we, we, I and I will get upset with them if they do do that and they understand that. But I, I do give them a kind of freedom to create.
Speaker 2My philosophy is that with receivers, there's more than one way to do it as far as a release goes or a move goes. And so I explain to them like hey, I'm going to show you three or four different ways. These three or four different ways are not the only way. Four different ways, these three or four different ways are not the only way. If you pick one of the four and you're super comfortable with it and you enjoy it or not enjoy it, but like you're good at it and you feel like you could execute that, yeah, and it's effective. Do it like in that and that's, and that's not wrong. So I always make sure to explain to them like hey, versus this leverage, these different things could work. Versus this leverage, these could work.
Speaker 2If we're running this route, you could use this move or that move. You don't have to, but this is what we're doing. And then if we're at a training session, it's like, hey, we're going to work this move. And some guys, if I feel like they're advanced enough and they could handle it, I'll be like, hey, I'm okay If you work this move, cause I know you like that move. You know what I'm saying. So timing, it's got to time up. Just from having like a quarterback background too as well, it has to time up. What you're doing doesn't make sense and it's not efficient. You're late on the route and the quarterback's moving on. Then we obviously can't do it.
Speaker 1You know what I mean. Yeah, no, you're. You're big on, yeah, no wasted movements being efficient, things like that. So, um, what are some of the? You posted a video the other day that I thought was really good and really interesting and you did it with both quarterback and receivers. Some of the kind of old school kind of way of doing things versus you know kind of the new way of doing things. Could you kind of walk us through you know what some of the old receiver kind of coaching points were and kind of what some some of these you know newer, more modern ones are?
Speaker 2yeah, I mean, I think for receivers, a lot of it is like so top of the route is one that stands out like where a lot of old school coaches would teach, like you know, like beat the drum, where you get up into a break and you're chopping your feet and running your hands and, like you know, that's not bad. I just think there's maybe a more efficient way to move right. I think a lot of people misinterpret me. Sometimes they get upset with me, but they'll, you know, they'll be like oh, you're saying this way is bad. It's like no, I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying there's a better way, you know.
Speaker 2And when you get up into, like when you get up at the top of the route, like having athletes focus more on their hips and not so much their hands and their feet, if they lower their center of gravity fast, because lowering your center of gravity is what's going to help you change direction rather than your feet, because when your feet and your hands are just trying to change direction, it's going to take a while.
Speaker 2So that's one. Another one is like the hands way up, like off the line of scrimmage versus press. I'm not opposed to that, I just feel like a lot of athletes do it and they're very tense and so they kind of don't have range of motion, they're not loose, loose, so their releases suffer from that. So I'd rather have guys be a little bit more like, kind of at their stomach and be a little bit more relaxed up top so they're released with their feet, can flow a little better and maybe their hands are still relaxed and you have range of motion to be able to swat a db's hand. So that's kind of two that that stick out to me.
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Speaker 1Um, yeah, hopefully answers your question hopefully, yeah, yeah, no, I mean honestly it was the the beat the drum that really kind of stood out to me and as opposed to you teach, you know it's the really snapped your you know center of gravity, drop those hips down. That's why I asked earlier with your if you had a biomechanical kind of background, because you know it is. It's much more efficient than just you know beating the drum and and all that um, it's just a little bit of wasted movement. Absolutely. It's good to see a coach kind of talking out there about some of the newer ways to do things. I think that's why you resonate with so many people out there and you have such a big following is because you know it's not like you're saying to your point that it's wrong the way it's been taught. It's just maybe we can improve on it slightly and do it just a little bit better. Right, absolutely Exactly. What's the biggest mental and physical difference you know of developing receivers and quarterbacks?
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, I mean, uh, that's a good question. I would say, mentally, the biggest difference is receivers not understanding concepts. Like so I think a lot of receivers understand routes, of course, but they don't understand concepts. So I think explaining to them like about timing, explaining to them about, hey, if you're like so, this is one that I'll talk to my them about, hey, if you're like so, this is one that I'll talk to my guys a lot about, like, if you're running an outside breaking route, running an out route, comeback corner, 90% of the time, most likely probably more than that you're probably gonna be the first read or second read. So you need to go quick. You can't be running a 10 yard out and take five seconds off the ball and then go run the route because the quarterback, he's trying to throw that on time, he's trying to throw that early. So explaining to them from a quarterback's perspective why certain things are the way they are, I think is probably the biggest difference from a netball perspective for the receiver position, and then, I think, from a physical standpoint.
Speaker 2I mean, I think a lot of times receivers are maybe a little bit more like, kind of like, like physically, I would say like maybe a little bit more flexible in quarterbacks. So I think quarterbacks a lot of times maybe don't think that they have to be like from the waist down athletes and lose and have hip mobility and hip strength, and I think a lot of times that makes their throwing mechanics suffer, but they just feel like they're a quarterback and they just need to throw the ball, whereas receivers, like you know, I feel like, take a little bit more time. You know, like working on speed, working on their hip flexors, working on those things because it makes more sense for them to be flexible, for them to have longer strides, et cetera. But I feel like that hurts quarterbacks a lot because mechanically they can't get in the right position just due to, like, physical things that they need to improve on. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1No, it does. Um, when you're working with a quarterback, what's the first thing you start to kind of work with them on?
Speaker 2Uh, definitely their base. So I think a lot of QBs don't even realize it. They have a flawed base and I think a lot of times guys sit so low. That's the problem and I think with a lot of young kids like there's a lot of young kids lack like leg strength and so the biggest issue I see is they kind of have that like knee knock position where their knees are caved in and it's really honestly just due to a lack of leg strength, in my opinion.
Speaker 2So I feel like you know, like strengthening their legs obviously helps, but a lot of guys, when they get into their throwing base, my thing is like hey, let's move our feet closer together, let's try to stand up taller, and that naturally corrects that like knee knock position, not to say that you always got to stand upright and tall. You could. You could bend your knees, obviously, but you need a stronger base to be able to do so, because if you bend your knees and your knees cave in, a lot of that has to do with hip mobility too. So I focus a lot on their base, having them stand up, bringing their feet closer together and putting more weight on their back leg, because I believe if you have a good base, the rest of the other things are a lot easier to do. But with a flawed base you can't do anything else with your shoulders the ball. If your base is off, the whole entire throw is going to be off. So that's what I focus the most on you know, yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1What about past concepts with quarterbacks? Do you find and, granted, it depends on, it depends on age, I'm sure, but you know, like some of the high school quarterbacks you work with, do they have understanding of a lot of the different past concepts that are out there or do you find like that's lacking within high school coaching and like, what's your thoughts on all that?
Speaker 2Yeah, I definitely think it's something that's lacked in high school coaching, at least where I'm at Certain schools, definitely no. I think certain schools do a great job, but most schools don't. Most quarterbacks I get that don't go to the top tier St John Bosco's, modern Days Trinity League schools. They come to me and they have no knowledge of reads. They're like I'm like who are you reading on this? They're like I'm like. I'm like who are you reading on this? They're like ah, the hitch. It's like no, you're reading like the corner, you're reading the safe. You're like you know what I mean. So walking them through reads is definitely something that I focus a lot on.
Speaker 2I think one of the big problems is like cause so many kids play seven on seven? But the thing that is tough about it and and again, everybody thinks I hate seven, hate it it's just like there are certain things about it that I hate, right, but they like there are guys that just show it on the card or the whiteboard. And the thing too is there's a lack of practice with seven on seven, and I get it, you don't have, like especially California, not a lot of field space, like high schools don't necessarily open up their field a lot to people, whatever. That's what I see a lot of. But I see a lot especially like younger guys seventh and eighth grade who are going into high school and need to know this stuff.
Speaker 2It's just dudes that show the play on the card and then they're like, okay, throw it to him, but they don't walk through the read, they don't practice the read because, like, that's what it's all about. It's about getting them comfortable with reads. It's about getting them comfortable making progressions and things of that nature. So I feel like there's a lot of that and I feel like that quarterback that kind of trickles into the high school level as well, and I feel like a lot of high school coaches don't do a good job of explaining reads, at least how I was explained to when I played. So, yeah, I think there's definitely a lack of it, but it's something that we work on.
Quarterback Training and Development
Speaker 1Yeah, no, I totally understand. It's funny because I was actually going to ask you a little bit about 7-on-7, because I kind of have the same. I coach a 7 team. It really is fun, especially as a coach. You're out there on the field with them and things like that. But there's a certain culture around sevens that is not really my favorite, with some of the showboating and things like that, and then I think it creates a lot of just complacency and, honestly, just laziness within the quarterback with their feet you mentioned their base their footwork gets really sloppy, they get a little lazy and, yeah, the routes and everything, it's just what's on the card you're showing and they just run the routes and they don't have a true concept of what the concept is, what the reads are, and things like that. But it's more reps.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean like sevens is great if it's done right. You know what I mean. If it's done right, it's one of the best things you could do. I just think a lot of it is just the whole like nil era of football and social media and all that crap. Like everybody just wants to go to a tournament to get posted and, you know, gets like. It's like that's at least what it seems like and that's at least what you see online. I'm sure most people aren't that way, but it's just like. The issue I have is that a lot of these coaches have never coached. Yeah, that's my. That's a big issue that I have. And, like again, I don't have a ton of coaching experience for a school. I've never been an offensive coordinator. You don't see me out there coaching a 7-on-7 team, because it's just like I feel like guys who know how to call plays and stuff like that should be the ones calling plays, not doing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1That's at least just my opinion. You know, yeah, no, I I agree. Um, I'm sure you saw this video being in the content creation, um, but there was a kid, you know, playing sevens football and like a full-on, like batman, like cape and everything, and I'm like what is going on here, like it's just that's. That's my issue with seven on seven football. Like I love the reps, I love that you know the extra work you can get between quarterback and receiver. Um, as a coach, you can. If you are coaching, um, you know the way I think you should. You should be kind of installing concepts and helping them learn reads and things like that. But a lot of times I do. I just see people running routes and being lazy with their footwork and and things like that.
Speaker 2So yeah, I mean, there's this great league in California. It's called Forvert, and Forvert was initially started because it was a feeder to the high school teams and it was high school teams, so it was the high school coaches coaching athletes, running their plays, their concepts, and they would play other high school teams. Now, the only issue with that is that, like, from a business perspective, I don't think there were enough high schools bought in. So they start letting the club teams in and it's the club teams that are kind of at least where I live, those are the ones with the problems, because it's just a big money grab and it's just like it's. It's just we're going to charge this money, we're going to go to this tournament, we're going to travel here, we're going to travel here and it this is another issue I have January to July or June, maybe they're playing sevens, usually July, and then they'll hit me up with two weeks before August 1st and they go hey, I want to get better.
Speaker 2It's like, well, we ran out of time, dude, because you were playing and you were going to Florida and Texas and all that stuff, and so they're the same athlete they were the year before. Yes, some guys need the reps, but most guys need to work on their mechanics. The route right.
Speaker 1You know what I mean, stuff like that well, and not every rep is, you know, created equally. There's there's reps that are good reps and you know they're intentional and you're focused on something. Yeah, there's just going through the motions and you know just exactly what I'm saying 100.
Speaker 2Yeah, exactly that's the whole problem with it. That's exactly. Everybody was intentional with it and I I felt that it was coached right, I wouldn't have any issues. I think it'd be great, like I'd probably do it myself, but it's just, I just don't, I just can't the way it is now. It's just, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, uh. What role does film study play in working with your athletes?
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, we don't do um, we do that on our website. So we have like a subscription on our website where, like you pay and like once a week we'll all come together on a zoom call and we'll break down film, break down place coverages and stuff like that. So I'll have guys that I train personally who do that to get that like kind of mental side of thing and understanding film study, um. But as far as our like camps and our training sessions, we don't do much of that, unless an athlete asks me is like hey, do you mind walking through some film with me? I'd absolutely do that. So I'll do it sometimes but it's not, I guess, like a pivotal staple of the sessions.
Speaker 1Right, yeah, yeah, I feel like you would be kind of a video football geek. Back in high school and college Were you in the film room constantly, oh yeah constantly.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, yeah, I was like notebook pen every team meeting and then I remember from Saturday to Thursday I'd be watching hours of tape every, every week just, and it was like a lot of it was repetitive. Like Thursday rolls around and I'd be so sick of it I wouldn't even do it. But the thing was that was learned because, like I wasn't you know, like like I'm not a dude, like wasn't blow you away arm strength, like I wasn't going to get away with just like throwing throws late and not understanding what the opponent's trying to do. So I would constantly like I did it because I had to. Like I remember like, well, I had like just an awful game, like I'm talking like five interception game, like terrible, and it was like I didn't prepare like how I should have. And so every week after that it's like well, I don't want to feel that way again, so I'm going to make sure that I prepare, and then you kind of just get into a rhythm of it, you know.
Speaker 1But yeah, absolutely that's, it was so important for me you know, yeah, yeah, did you have a good coach and mentor. You know, in high school, and I mean who were, who were some of your mentors?
Speaker 2you are now yeah, I mean my like quarterback coach. Granted, he didn't know a ton about mechanics and like the proper ways to throw. I just don't think he had knowledge of it, to be honest with you. But he's a great dude, like I would say, from a footwork perspective and from just like a general outlook on football perspective. Him, his name is armin. Um, youngblood is his last name, no relation to jack youngblood or anything like that, but he, he played in the league it wasn't for very long and he was a quarterback, I forget went to Fresno State so he was hit. Trent Dilfer got the nod, I'm pretty sure. Right, dilfer was a Fresno State guy and so Dilfer got the nod and that's what made him switch positions, but they were, for whatever reason, like the. Yeah, exactly. But he was very knowledgeable.
Modern Receiver Techniques vs Old School
Speaker 2God, I mean my quarterback coach in high school. His name was TJ Fenton. He was a good coach. I think, from a mental side of things, was probably one of the best guys that I worked with, just as far as knew how a quarterback thought. He played at Southern Utah and he coaches at the same same high school. I actually coached with him when I coached at that high school for a year. But, um, he's the offensive coordinator there, but he had a great football mind as far as like plays went and like, but more of a modern type deal, you know, like more of like a air raid zone, read, that type of stuff, which was cool to be around that. And he was a younger dude, like I remember when I was 17 and in high school he was like 23, so we so he was a young coach and so we got along really really well because we weren't that far apart in age and he, um it was a really good relationship. So I'd say those two guys probably from from a football perspective.
Speaker 1Awesome. Who, as far as like your work ethic and stuff like that? I mean, did you have any sort of you know your, your parents, like you? You obviously are a hard worker and very dedicated to your craft, things like that. Where where's that come from?
Speaker 2probably my parents, I would say my parents. I think my mom she had a uh business and growing up when I was like really, really young, just seeing that kind of grind of things, um, definitely for sure. And then also my dad, um, I think my dad he would um, it's something I couldn't do he like, just for like security for the family, like for for like 30 plus years, would go to the same job, make the same drive at the same time every day. Like me, personally, I go nuts, right, but he but, but he but, but he did that.
Speaker 2So we'd have, you know, a secure like you know, just like like we didn't have to worry, right, at least like income would be taken care of. But he would show up that every game, he would be at every game, and then he was always the one who would be throwing with me, training with me, like doing stuff like that. So, and to see that type of like dedication to just do the same thing every day and not really complain like it had to have sucked. There had to have been days where it was terrible, but yeah, but he did it anyways, you know. And so, seeing that and being kind of having those two role models growing up for sure is probably where I would say I get a lot of it.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, no, I would assume that was the case because you definitely have a high work ethic and and you're not afraid to grind at all. Um, but how do you teach athletes to balance confidence and humility? You know kind of talking about sevens, football and receivers and things like that. Sometimes we get a little overconfident. How do you help athletes balance that humility with still being confident?
Speaker 2yeah, I mean, um, I think a lot of it is just the confidence comes from the work and like, and and I, I like it.
Speaker 2My favorite thing is when I get an athlete who I feel like kind of has a little bit of an attitude, I'll put him in a session with guys who are much better than him, okay, and all of a sudden they get like, oh, okay, like that's what it's supposed to look like.
Speaker 2So I, I exactly, and I always tell athletes all the time, like, if you ever get a chance to go train with somebody better than you in college, in the NFL, what go, because you're going to get humbled because there's some, there's always somebody who's going to be a little bit better than you or maybe knows more than you. So that's what I would say. And what's actually out there in terms of talent, and especially when we go to other States, you get some athletes who maybe, maybe they don't, they don't play in the big football States, like the Texas is the Florida's, you know the California's, and they think that you know like they're, you know, you know what doesn't stink, and it's like, hey, man, like I'll tell you right now, dude, you're not even close to the level that you think you're at. So I think it's a lot of times putting people in check and just showing them that, like hey, there's other guys who could do this much better than you. You need to have a little bit better attitude. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah, Um, yeah for sure. How do you build a, build trust with the athlete to be able to have that sort of candid? You know kind of hard conversation.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean I would say, um, I think a lot of athletes trust me because of results I think with with like you know, like I'm a big like hey, how did that feel?
Speaker 2And if it didn't feel good, tell me, like be honest with me, because that makes sense.
Speaker 2So, like I think results, with what I'm telling them, kind of builds like a nest, like a trust, like okay, like this guy knows what he's talking about and so they'll probably listen to me in other areas. But I think also having a personal relationship with them, rather than just treating them like like a client you know what I mean, I think every guy that I train, I know something about them, something other than football that they're doing. Because I make it a point, like whether we're on a break or whatever, to ask athletes, you know, just like questions, but just like stuff they have going on, like school, whatever, and like actually take the time to talk to them and don't brush it off like what they're saying is not important or like so like actually taking the time to talk with them, and I think that kind of creates more of like a, you know, like more of a friendship. But we do a good job of kind of balancing that, where I'm not their friend but I am friend, but at the same at the. It's like it's about the work.
Seven-on-Seven Football Culture
Speaker 1You know, they know you care more than just you know. Hey, you're paying me to coach you. I mean, it's you, you care about them, and you know. I mean the old adage you know, no one knows or no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care. Exactly, yeah, I, yeah. I think that's what it really comes down to is building that trust, letting them know that you really do care about their well-being outside of the sport even. Do you have a lot of athletes that come to you that want or have D1 aspirations and ask you for advice or contacts, things like that.
Speaker 2Yeah, not so much contacts but definitely advice, like I would say generally, everybody that trains and pays to train and takes it serious probably wants to play college football. So like it's there. They do come to me with a lot of questions, a lot of questions with advice and stuff like that, um, and I try to steer them in the best direction I possibly can, but not so much for like contacts or me putting people on. Like I tell people that right off the get, like you know, I'm not going to do that, unless you know a coach asked me or something like that. Or we have a good relationship, like we just, you know, like I'm more so, just about the training and getting them better, if that makes sense, yeah no, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1How hard is it to to kind of dumb down? You know some of these concepts or just some of these biomechanical um. You know lessons you're trying to teach into a short form. You know, like you were talking about your, your cranking out content on Instagram, tik TOK, but you only get what is it? You know a handful of seconds to really get that out there and emphasize your point. How do you?
Speaker 2how do you do that? That's a good question. Um, I think I think I have a gift of talking really fast, so I think that helps a lot. That helps a lot, Um, but but I I don't know, man, it's, it's a tough. It's definitely taken some time, you know, I think people don't see or realize maybe, like you know, like if you look on my Instagram, like we have over 7,000 posts, Like I can't talk about 7,000 different things. A lot of it's the same info. It's just different ways of conveying it, you know, and different ways of explaining things. So I've been doing, I've been filming videos probably every day for the last six or seven years, so I think it gets easy to convey that quickly. At first, though, I was awful, Like couldn't, like it was terrible, like terrible, Like I can't even watch old stuff because it was bad, and so, yeah, I would just say from reps, Just like anything right, Just reps.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah, being that a lot of your content is online, how do you deal with criticism from you know a lot of your content is online? How do you deal with criticism from you know players, coaches, things like that, um, that come at you with some of the content you post?
Speaker 2yeah, now I just mess with them like I'll like send them a gif or something like because I, just like you know, I don't I and where I'm at now I don't care.
Speaker 2I just, like you know people are gonna say stuff. But me a couple years ago it's totally different ball game. Like I would like literally like like screenshot stuff and like read it and then go work out. Like you know, like I would like let it get to me a little bit and, um, some guys I would go back at them and you know, like try to prove a point, but as you get as you like, and it sounds a little like you know, like arrogant to say I'm not trying to come off that way, but like now I get so much of it that you can't spend your time responding to it. So the only thing you can do is laugh at it and just be like okay, it is what it is and everybody's got an opinion. Everybody has a right to an opinion and you can say whatever you want. This is America, you can say whatever you want. But now I just kind of have fun with it. But for a bit I used to let it bother me, but not anymore.
Speaker 1Well, we live in a world now where, literally, you could say this the sky is blue and you're gonna have someone that's gonna. You know, like it's just, it's an interesting world we live in nowadays, so, um, but yeah, it would be hard, I think, to deal with, you know, some of the criticism, um, unless you're just able to, yeah, just really just kind of let it roll off your back.
Speaker 1Yeah, you have to just be able to have just really just kind of let it roll off your back. Yeah, you have to just be able to have that mindset and just not let it, you know, not take it personally.
Speaker 2For sure, and I think what's important too, is not letting the positive things get to you as well. I think that's where, like you got to put your ego in check because, like you know, I for I get, you know 20 DMs saying like, oh my God, it's helped me so much. Like, thank you, thank you, you're the best, like you know, and if I like start reading into that and start thinking that I'm the best and I'm this and I'm that, then when one person says something negative, I'm going to be like what? Like you know, like I can't believe you'd say that and it's going to bother me.
Speaker 2Only reason you're getting benefit is because I'm focused on putting, making the best video possible. I'm keeping my stuff up to date. I'm trying to put out the best message possible, rather than believing that I can never make a mistake and that I'm the best and so I can just put out whatever. Like that's not the attitude you need to have. It needs to be. I appreciate it, thank you, but I'm still going to stay focused on this, so the bad stuff also doesn't get to you too.
Speaker 1You know what I mean. Oh no, that is a great point. It really is. What's the biggest lesson you've learned? Building a brand and you know I mean there's the content and all that and the coaching aspect of what you're doing, but you're also building a business as a solo entrepreneur here. You know what's the biggest lesson you've learned?
Speaker 2Um, I would say that's a good. That's a tough question. Um, I'd say it's one of two things. It's probably you gotta be. You gotta be willing to do what other people aren't willing to do. And so I think people aren't willing to go out to a field and talk and just like you know, like put whatever they're thinking out there, like they'd rather just film their athlete or do like a little voiceover. They don't want to put themselves out there like that. I think a lot of people don't do that when they should. In my opinion. I think it'd be great and I think anybody's opinion and how they look at things if it could help an athlete get better. Fantastic.
Speaker 2But I would say, be willing to do what other people aren't willing to do. And the same thing with. It's like I can't tell you how many kids tell me like, hey, I reached out to like 80 other people and nobody responded. You're the only one that responded, and the people that they reached out to have a much smaller brand, if you will, if you're comparing like followers wise, and they didn't even reply. And so it's like, well, yeah, like you've got to be willing to do that type of stuff, because people notice that and people see your like work ethic and they see how, like you said, how much you care, and so that's what I would probably say is the biggest lesson.
Building Trust with Young Athletes
Speaker 1Okay, yeah, I think a lot of people, you know, fear kind of paralyzes people. For sure, they have aspirations, they have dreams, they want to do something bigger and better in their life. You know, whether it's in coaching, whether it's, you know, as an athlete, whether it's just personally, but they're afraid to put themselves out there for the risk of failure. Yeah, because it is scary, and especially when you're doing it on a public forum where other people can see and you know, and comment and things like that, it can be very scary.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, like if you would have told me when I was in high school that I'd be doing this, I would say you're full of it, because I was not a public like. I was always personal dude and like talkative, but like I was not a public speaker, ever even thought I would post a single video on social media. Like I was just like, did not want to like, I was just like no. And then so you go through the same things, like when you, when I first started posting, was terrified, like and I remember my first video ever I had somebody telling me like I sucked and it was terrible. Like like first video ever, like I still remember this like first one ever, and I was like god, like this is rough, like maybe I shouldn't do this and so um, yeah, so, yeah, it was, it was um, but yeah, no, like you said, fears, fears, fears a crazy thing. And I think, yeah, a lot of people. I wish more people would get over it and just post it.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean even creating this podcast. I mean same thing. If I look back, I remember five, six years old being pulled out of my class, going to a speech pathologist and doing all that sort of stuff, and now to actually have a podcast where I'm speaking publicly yeah, to actually have a podcast where I'm speaking publicly, Like yeah, million years Like I used to be extremely shy as a kid because of that, you know, kind of fear of being mocked or humiliated by others, and I'd be like I'm going to have a podcast and publicly speak. Like that would have never crossed my mind at that age. So you know, I just like talking to people, I love meeting. You know individuals like yourself and, quite honestly, just picking your brain and it know individuals like yourself and, quite honestly, just picking your brain and it's more of a selfish thing for me.
Speaker 1It's just I, I just do it and put it out publicly but yeah I just need to do it because I enjoy it yeah, no, that's awesome um, how do you balance, kind of the demands of you know, of running a business, as well as the coaching aspect of everything, as well as the content creation? I mean there, there you're running, you know you have a lot of hats you're wearing. Yeah, how do you balance that?
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean I have a good team. Um, they help a lot for sure. And I'm very like schedule oriented and very like like I gotta be on my schedule or else I'm probably not a happy camper. So like it's like I'm a, I get up at the same time every day. I write out my day by the hour, all the way until like 7 PM, so like I'm like five to six, I'm doing this. Six to seven, seven, eight, seven, nine.
Speaker 2I write everything down, I do that the night before and so it kind of keeps it kind of keeps my mind right. And I realized, like the things I have to do and I would just say I'm pretty organized in that, in that respect, and that helps a lot and I feel like I do a good job of being able to to shut certain things off. So like like I'm in like a training mode where I'm working with athletes and then if I need to shift to something, I feel like I do a good job, okay, shut that off. Now I'm on to here. So that's something I would say maybe I am decent at, but, um, very schedule oriented, it's very, very detail oriented and that's, you plan your day, that the night before and kind of sit down and write everything out.
Speaker 2Yeah Well, 100%. And then throughout the day, I'm crossing it off, because, like crossing it off, you feel accomplished, but also it just kind of like okay, I'm onto the next thing, I'm onto the next thing, I'm onto the next thing you know.
Speaker 1So I like using notes in, you know, iphone. Yeah, there's something extremely gratifying about that. Do the same thing. I'm very, you know, very organized and I just have to be, and there's something about clicking that little button. Yeah, it erases from your notes like your daily task.
Speaker 2It's extremely gratifying, absolutely yeah 100 people don't get it, like so many people don't get it. I'm like you. I don't expect you to understand, but it's the way my mind works exactly.
Speaker 1It's not for everyone, but for me, I love it and I I have to do it that way, or I mean there would be too many things that would fall through the cracks, you know exactly 100 exactly yeah, so well, um, where do you you know you've been doing this what six, seven years?
Speaker 1where do you see first down training going? What's, what's your ultimate kind of goal with it long term? I, I, I was going to ask you this. I think you kind of answered it already. Do you have any goals of coaching, you know, at the, the college level, or you know, or beyond? Um, but yeah, where do you see yourself in the next five years?
Speaker 2yeah, I mean honestly, I, I, I would say no, no aspirations a coach anywhere. I'm going to keep doing this and just trying to scale it as big as possible, but I would like us to just keep growing on social, obviously, just trying to reach as many people as we possibly can. I would like our camps to eventually be able to expand to other positions where we could have O-line, d-line running back, linebacker, db and then also quarterbacks and wide receivers. I would like to be able to do that. We tried that this year and it didn't go the way we'd like to. But I think there are some things that we could do better, and so that's where I would like to see a lot of growth.
Future Goals and Upcoming Camps
Speaker 2I'd like to get involved in the recruiting space, but do it the right way. I think there are a lot of recruiting like agencies out there, but they do it incorrectly and, quite frankly, it's a scam. So I think within the next five years, that's something that you'll see us doing, where it's more of a personal relationship with athletes and it's not so much let's sign up as many people as possible and just like, say, we have all these connections but we really don't, um, so that's something that we'll definitely do. And then I would like to be able to have um different facilities around the country. So like have like a facility in, you know, probably the colder states, because that's where it makes the most sense, but like in New York or, like you know, like a Utah or an Idaho, where it's indoor and where trainers can use it and we kind of own the land and maybe we could go use it when we have our camps. We have it there. But I would like to do that as well.
Speaker 1That's probably more of a 10 year thing, but I would say five years. Five years is the first two that I said I love it.
Speaker 2I love it. Um, how many camps do you do annually? Right now, About 15 to 17. So we'll do 15 of ours and then every year we generally get maybe like two like organizations that want to like have us go do a camp. I normally don't do those, but every now and then I'll do those, but about 15 to 17.
Speaker 1And they're what two to three days.
Speaker 2Two days, yeah, two days.
Speaker 1Okay, and then you have, yeah, kind of tell the listeners you know I think you have a camp coming up in Boise. If you want to kind of tell us a little bit about that and you know what people could expect. And then also let us know where you know we can follow you on Instagram and YouTube and all that.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean. So we have a camp coming up and all this information can be found on um, first down trainingcom. So F I R S T D O W N, trainingcom, um. But we have a camp in Boise. It's a two day camp. Um generally we'll probably get, you know, good 70, 80 athletes out there. I would say maybe a little more depending on the position groups and how they break down, but essentially it's a two day camp where it's just all skill work and position work, where we're actually working with the athlete and developing the athlete rather than just like reps.
Speaker 2I think a lot of people go to these camps and there's a ton of people there and they're on a time schedule and maybe even just one day and they don't want athletes to only end up with two reps. So they're just trying to go as fast as they possibly can because they got these massive groups. But for us, our goal is we want you to get reps. It's not like you're not going to get any reps, but you're going to get quality reps. You're going to get coached up on those reps and that's. It's two full days, four hours each day and really honestly, if you're just an athlete generally looking to improve your skills, or a parent who wants their athlete to improve their skills. It's probably one of the better things that you could do.
Speaker 2As far as a camp goes, I don't really think there's many camps like that out there that do that. I think a lot of them do it, but they don't do it at the scale that we do it and they don't do it as frequently as we do it. They maybe do one or two a year because it is a tougher style of doing things, but that's what we're trying to do and then, yeah, and then, as far as, like social media goes, you can follow me on First Down Training on Instagram and then on TikTok my handle is Coach Grant Caraway and then on YouTube it's the same thing First Down Training. So if you just search that up, you'll find our socials.
Speaker 1No problem, awesome. And then also, I know we kind of talked, talked off air Salt Lake City next year. Bring your camp here, right? Yeah, yeah, salt Lake City next year, for sure, hell yeah, there we go. Well, hey, man, I appreciate your time. Thanks for jumping on the call today. Yeah, if you need any help, like I said, trying to find a field here in Salt Lake for next year, you know, hit me up, man, you got my number. Absolutely Will do man, I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely Will do, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem, have a good one. Guys, talk to you later.