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MAYOR MORRELL SPEAKS
“BELIEVE IN THE VISION” | SE. 3 EP. 3 FT. MEGAN GILMORE
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In this inspiring installment of Mayor Morrell Speaks, the Mayor sits down with the legendary Megan Gilmore. Together, they dive into the heart of community impact, personal growth, and the vision behind Megan’s nonprofit organization, Lark’s Song.
Whether you are curious about the mechanics of building a mission-driven organization or trying to navigate the often-misunderstood world of professional coaching, this episode offers a wealth of clarity and wisdom.
What We Discuss:
- The Genesis of Lark’s Song: Megan shares her personal journey and the "why" behind founding her nonprofit.
- Coaching vs. Therapy: A deep dive into the nuances that separate life coaching from clinical therapy—and how both play vital roles in mental wellness and personal development.
- Leadership & Legacy: Insights into what it takes to lead with authenticity in a modern community.
- And So Much More: Lessons learned from years of helping others find their voice and purpose.
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- Learn more about Lark’s Song: Visit their website to explore their programs and mission.
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Welcome to season three, episode three of the Mayor Morel Speaks podcast. I'm so excited to have a very special guest with me here today, someone who is amazing and a pillar of our community, Megan Gilmore. Thank you. So I like to start out all my episodes like this. So tell me who is Megan Gilmore.
SPEAKER_00Megan Gilmore, I think I can best describe myself by my roles and interests. I'm really interested in healing and um restoration. I am a mom and a wife. Um mom of teenagers, let's clarify. I think that's important. And um yeah, I have a friend, sister.
SPEAKER_02Okay, you know. So that's who we are now. So take us back to early Megan Gilmore. So let's let's go here. So how long have you lived in Marion now?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so we've been living in Marion since 2012. So about 14 years.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So before you came here, um, what what did you do?
SPEAKER_00Um, before I came to Marion, that's a great question. I'm like, wait, what did I do? What did I do? My life in Marion has been like we we decided together before Marion, my life felt really like on my way to the next thing, right? And um we decided that we were gonna root ourselves in Marion. Um, Evan and I, my husband and I did. And um no matter where we went out from there, because I'm I have a pretty adventurous spirit, and so um no matter where we went out from there, that this would be kind of our hub, the place that we stayed for a bit. Um so if I think about before before I came to Marion, um, most of that was education and training and kind of entering the workforce as an educator and therapist and coach. And so um I I actually went to Indiana Wesleyan University. So it's strange to say like we've lived in Marion for 12 years, but I have seeds planted and like people watering into my life well be well before that. Um I was a I worked at a residential therapy center for a little bit, worked in community mental health for a little bit, um, and then I was faculty and administrative staff at Indiana Wesleyan for a little bit, but lived in Fort Wayne because of my husband's job. So um, yeah, that's a little bit of about before, I guess.
SPEAKER_02So you said something that I want to highlight. You said rooted in Marion. So that sounds that sounds like a choice that you're not from here. When you say rooted in Marion, why? Why why was that a thing for you? Why did you root yourself here?
SPEAKER_00Well, we jumped around a bit. So right after Evan and I got married, we lived in Marion for about six months. Um, and then he worked for Sweetwater Sound in Fort Wayne, and so it was much easier for me to commute than for him. Uh and I was commuting out all over the place. I had some job stuff in Fort Wayne and Anderson here in Marion. Um, and I I had really big visions and really big dreams, and they weren't in my mind and imagination, they weren't based in the Midwest. They were based in somewhere with big mountains and trees and lakes and um and lots of access to like majestic nature. And um I remember I I have a really active uh spiritual dialogue and so uh internally and with the spirit, and I remember I was really struggling because I was kind of frustrated with the fact that like I didn't want to stay in Indiana for undergrad, and I ended up staying in Indiana for undergrad. I don't want to stay in Indiana for my master's degree, but I ended up having the opportunity to have a scholarship and get paid to do that. And I didn't want to stay in the for entry-level work, um, but ended up doing that. And so I instead of, I was like, well, instead of saying what I want, maybe I should start listening and like listening to my circumstances, listening to the needs around me, listening to the spirit. And I think that I had these two values in me, like one for service and one for greatness. And um, they felt in tension with each other. And for some reason I felt like I couldn't honor my desire for great and meaningful impact if I stayed in Indiana. And um then I started reading and reflecting on all of the really transformative servant leaders that I respect around the world and throughout history, and they all stayed. Like, um, that doesn't mean that their impact was only in their home space or you know, whatever, but they like Nelson Mandela didn't leave. Mother Teresa didn't leave. Like they they built, uh they rooted.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, give it up for that, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And like no shade to people that are called to a different space and a different landscape. But for me, at the time, the spirit was I was like, I'll go anywhere, I'll go anywhere, I'll go anywhere. And uh spirit was like, What if I asked you to stay?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, okay, so this is really good and really heavy because especially in Marion, you when you talk to you know younger people and even some people with a as they get older, their idea is that they have to relocate and that's magically gonna change their lives or they're gonna make them successful, or that their their destiny is tied to somewhere outside of and the only way they can make it is if they leave. So what advice would you give someone searching no matter what age group they're in or wh where they are in life, what advice would you give someone who is thinking that the only way they can achieve those dreams is being around the mountains and the beaches and relocating? How two questions. What advice would you give them and how did you come to that realization yourself that you can be planted in the Midwest, small town Indiana, and still be able to treat you achieve the dreams that you want to get done?
SPEAKER_00Okay. I might need you to ask me the second question again. But I think the first one is what advice I would have, right? So you know, um I think I would ask more questions than give advice. I would I um I would wonder what their dreams were and what they were imagining for themselves would be better if they left. I would wonder like what was most important to them. I would wonder what felt unsafe or scarce or restrictive about staying. And um, I would also be really curious about like how much effort they were willing to put in to overcome a challenge. Um so based on those answers, I I don't know that I would have like one piece of advice for every person, right? But I do think that what I what I know from my work is that like our problems in relationships and in our lives don't go away because we move to a new relationship or a new place, generally, right? Generally, there are exceptions to that. But generally we change ourselves first and then change the things outside of us. So to expect to go somewhere else and for the things outside of us to change how we feel about ourselves, what our impact is, how hard we work, what opportunities we get, that kind of thing. Um I mean it could happen for people. There is there is an element of like that reciprocity. But I think for someone to have a really fulfilled life where they have agency and purpose and yeah, are are moving into what's best for them, that it's an inside job first, you know? And so I would say the best advice would be surround yourself with wise, grounded people. Um ask for mentors. Uh so for young people, I would say like look for the people you admire around you, and that can be in your local community, please. Because they're local community, ask people for advice on who to connect with that are interested in the same things that you're interested in. So, probably a lot of advice around building relationships and asking for wise counsel and things like that, because I think that a gift that I was given um was really, really incredible teachers and mentors that um yeah, that impacted us.
SPEAKER_02So now the second question was how did you arrive at that being whether satisfied or being content with staying in the Midwest when you're when you felt your dreams were pushing you to other places? How how'd you arrive there?
SPEAKER_00Not easily. I think that it would be it would be easy to be like, oh yeah, it would just kind of clicked one day, you know. Um but I think that honestly, um it's a it's still a struggle sometimes to be doing exceptional work that's recognized around the world but not appreciated in your hometown in a lot of ways, you know. So um, and not to not to belabor that or anything, but I think that that that that there is some tension there in me, like, oh, maybe if I were somewhere else that understood XYZ a little bit better, there'd be more appreciation, or I would feel a little bit more satisfied, or something like that. Um, but then I always come back to like that's more about my ego than it is about impact or it is about calling or it is about even like what's available. So um yeah, I think the thing the the thing that continues to the reason one of the reasons I continue to choose to be here um is because this is where my work is needed. Like this is where this is where the people that have figured it out in in the Bostons and the New York Cities and the LA's and the Nashville's and the Vancouver's and all that kind of thing. Um they're this is where I want humanity restored. This is where I want um families united. This is where I want, you know, like if we can do this work here, then we can do it anywhere. And that's not that is not at all saying, oh, because Marion needs it so much, or because like that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that when um the thing that continues to convince me is research. The thing that continues to convince me is like um not necessarily just the data around needs and assessment around needs, but the data around how if a community can access its artists, its social equity, its relational like capacity, if it can access that, those are the communities that lead next.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00So it's not about like saving Marion because this is where the work is needed most. I think that's probably how it sounded at first. Um it's it's more like, oh, there's so much opportunity to do it differently here in a way that can then prototype and lead other communities. Because there's way more spaces in the world like Marion, Indiana, than there are those spaces that feel a bit more flashy.
SPEAKER_02No, I know, yeah. So, okay, now let's transition into entrepreneurship. So um I think the year would have been 2019, and I um reached out to you and I said, hey, I wanted to um be a part of coaching. And then we've been 2026, so it's almost around six or seven. My daughters are watching now like that. Six or seven years, six to yeah, six or seven years now. Um I've been part of uh, you know, a life coaching with you. So tell us about um, okay, let's let's I'm gonna ask a lot of a whole barrage of questions.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02What is Larksong?
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02And how did it become what it is today?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so Larksong is an educational nonprofit, and um we fo our vision is to courageously create, uh co-create a more fulfilled and flourishing world, and we do that through educational programs and services in well-being education, professional coach training services, and what we call culture care. So, culture care is where we deliver individual coaching, group coaching, strategic planning, um, appreciative inquiry, uh lots of basically any group or organization that's like how do we transform at the level of collective to move from where we are to where we want to go. We help them do that in a really customized way. So the way that we start, we started back in 2013 as an LLC. Most people don't know because most nonprofits that are startups don't survive more than five years. There's lots of different reasons for that. Most of it is not because they don't know how to be good business planners, it's more about the bureaucracy around um nonprofit reporting and filing and things like that. That um a lot of people that start like that become the executive directors or the founders, they're they're not as equipped or don't know that information. So um, so anyway, we uh through a really cool process of lots of synchronicities and meeting the right people at the right time, um, we were able to become approved as a 501c3 in January of 2015. Um and uh it the the reason I started Lark Song is because I initially um had this vision from the time I was a teenager of wanting to have a place kind of like a ranch or retreat center where people could come and heal and develop their potential in lots of different modalities like nature, horses, groups, expressive therapies, things like that. And it just kind of happened that the time that I was finishing up my master's degree and licensure for those sorts of things, and um, my backgrounds in addictions counseling too, that the research around positive psychology in the world was like escalating. And so what we were finding at the time was like a lot of traditional therapy things weren't working, but a lot of positive psychology research was like where the momentum was at for moving humanity forward with psychological well-being and that kind of thing. So that I I jumped on that train. I found that as a therapist, and this is just me, I'm I have so much, I I see a therapist, I'm like um uh yeah. I I found that for me, therapy was rewarding but exhausting. And coaching was fulfilling and energizing.
SPEAKER_02I'm glad you said that because I want to talk about that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02What is the difference?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02What is the difference between people ask me all the time, because when I say I've been coaching, a lot of people go to therapy? Well, no, that's not necessarily what it is. So if you were to articulate the difference between coaching and therapy, what would it be?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I mean, there is some overlap in terms of skills that are needed and things like that. And different therapists and different coaches operate from different modalities. But in general, um, someone would go to see a therapist if they were noticing like dysfunction in their life and they were looking for healing, often wondering, like, why am I like this, or why is this problem continuing to come up in my life, or how do I get past that? Right. And so in therapy, you generally look at like past to present, sometimes into future. Um, and so the time orientation is a little bit different. Also, the partnership, the way that the relationship works in therapy is that the therapist is the expert. Now, a lot of therapists will say, like, we believe that the client heals themselves, and that's true, but the the client is coming to you because you are the expert in how to do that, right? And um, and can offer can offer that. Coaching, on the other hand, um and oh, often in therapy, we're looking for some kind of diagnosis and a treatment plan, right? Um, whereas in coaching, we start with assessment, like where are we right now and where do you want to go? And the client is the expert in the coaching relationship. Um, and so it's a very uh we call it like very collaborative where the coach brings their power and the client brings their power to say, here's where we are in the present. What are we moving toward? So we're not really concerned about the why or the reason or the cause. We're more concerned about what's now and what's next. And it's very strengths-based. So it could be that you know, a therapist would look at something a client's doing and be like, that's unhealthy and maladaptive and dysfunctional. But a coach might say, like, is it working for you?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, okay. Right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00If it's worrying for you and it's not harming you or somebody else, then let's figure out what's working about that and how we can creatively bring more of that into your life, you know? Okay. So um, yeah, coaching's all about partnering um with someone where they are to get where they want to be.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And I honestly, I mean, I mean this honestly, you know, when I started this on my own in 2019 or 20, um, you know, I truly believe I wouldn't be at where I am today had I not engaged in coaching. And even okay, look okay, wow, I didn't want to go this direction, but let's do it. The stigma behind men getting into coaching.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_02How have you been how do you address that to encourage more men to come and do it? And um, yeah, how I mean, have you seen that and how do you address it?
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, absolutely. So there's there's men for sure, and then there's like the intersection of race and ethnicity as well. And um, so I think that um with uh I think if coaching is seen as a mental health intervention, something that you need because you're not okay by yourself, you know, then it's a bit emasculating under like traditional um thoughts about gender, what it looks like to be a man, how to show up in the world, what strength looks like, um, what capacity looks like, what worthiness looks like, right? And so um I think that when men in particular say like, hey, this is a space where I need help, that's a that's a that's vulnerability.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And um and that's just a hard thing to to bust through in some situations. But also like a man coming to a woman as a coach, too, like that's there's stuff there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, and but if people understand that coaching is about is not about fixing, like it's not about fixing you, and it's not about saving you, and it's not about setting you straight. It's about saying, what is what is it that you want and what's blocking you from that? How do we remove those obstacles in a way that generates confidence and clarity and capacity for you? How can we do that creatively without saying like, oh, I need to wait 10 years until I've got XYZ or I need to, you know, then what I've heard from clients is that it's it's so generative in their lives and they come into coaching for a specific objective, right? Like to whether it's something around their being, like to increase confidence or um or something around doing, like I want to start this business, I wanna, you know, get I want to get to this savings goal, I wanna, you know, work on my health, whatever. And um, but it touches, we consider the client as a whole person. So whatever their objective is, is touching every area of their life, right? And so they come in working on one thing and then it touches, it touches everything else. And um not at any point, particularly if you're working with a coach from Larksong or anyone that's um ICF certified, uh not at any point will they make you feel like you need them to get to the next thing. And so I think that it's very um I think that it's a stigma and one that's not based in experience with skilled relevant coaches. Wow. Um it's based it it absolutely is based in historic experience, it absolutely is based in bias, it's absolutely based in expectation, like social expectation, and all of those things are real, you know, but um it's probably not based in lived experience or um yeah, and a lot of times, unfortunately, and uh is it me as a woman saying that this a lot of times unfortunately men can through move through the world with their ego less checked. So um they can move into a space with their ego intact and feel like that's justifiable um or even righteous in some situations. And so to enter into a space with a coach where your ego is gonna be challenged, um, is a real act of strength, man. Like
SPEAKER_02No, I get it, because it it pulls you apart, right? Yeah. I think it it and it so I've never been a therapy. I don't think I've ever been as coaching, but I feel like it pulls you apart and it challenges you. Um, but it challenges you in a good way that I think that most men like to be challenged.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02But it's just you got to get past that initial actually go into it. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00The initial vulnerability, the initial, like, are you challenging me because you think that there's something wrong with me and then you're correcting me? No, I'm challenging you because I see potential and you and possibility that you're avoiding. What's that about?
SPEAKER_02That's great. Okay, so let's go a little bit backwards and talk about the business side of this, right? So you talked about you starting a nonprofit. So let's go there for a second. What was that experience like? How hard was it? And then what the, you know, because a lot of people talk about nonprofit to promise they think about sustainability, they think about, you know, just the paperwork and even involved and getting to it. So from a business acumen side, speak a little bit to that.
SPEAKER_00Man, running a nonprofit is uh super hard. It's just, it's it's really hard. Especially if you're not building on decades of other people's like grounding and foundation in the first place. Um it's and it's it's but it's a business, right? And I think that's what most people that work outside the nonprofit sector or haven't started one don't understand, is that you file articles of incorporation as a nonprofit just like you do as a recording studio, just as you do as a, you know, any kind of less drama, any kind of, you know, you have to make sure that um that you're not operating in the red constantly. You have to make sure, you know, so um, and there's just a lot of challenges all the time, but particularly right now, there's a lot of challenges for funding for nonprofits and uh things like that. So um the business side of things is is so challenging as a nonprofit because the heart of what you want to do is provide excellent service, skillful leadership in a way that meets real needs. And um you have to do that within your capacity. Yeah, okay. So it's like day.
SPEAKER_02So this could this could be fun. So let's see. So do you find there ever is a clash between Megan CEO president and Megan the heart of what she wants to do running a nonprofit?
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh, yeah, like every day. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Every day.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think um, yeah, I think every day.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh and so how I mean, how do you do it? How how do you cause like because we talked about the first half of his interview, like dealing with impact, right? And how we have community impact. I mean, on myself, I focus on that a lot as well, but then sometimes you have to be the other side of that. The the I don't know if it's the hammer to call it the hammer, the CEO, the visionary, the one that's hiring and firing. Like, how do you balance the heart and the impact stuff with the actual business acumen of running an organization?
SPEAKER_00You know, honestly, I think that I I think that that is a constant practice. Like I'll I will do it and realize this is what I did poorly and this is what I did well. And next time I next time I choose again, I will try to choose more wisely and well. And I will choose again and try to choose more wisely and well. So a lot of what um we talk about at Lurksong sometimes in our leadership is like servant leadership is a practice, it's not something that you arrive at and like, oh I'm gonna call myself a servant leader, and then everybody will just understand that that's like there's a lot of people out there operating, calling themselves servant leaders, community leaders, what have you. First off, don't dare call yourself a community leader, other people in indigenous culture, you don't call yourself an elder until you are named an elder. You don't call yourself a leader until someone else names you that. And so um I always think, you know, even introducing me, I was like, oh gosh, pillar, that's wow.
SPEAKER_02So did I just give it to you, but that lets you be able to do it.
SPEAKER_00Oh, so yeah, it's a practice, right? It just like if I wanted to become skillful in anything, um, I would practice. I would say, here's where I'm strong, here's where I'm lacking, how do I get to the next level of skill and get feedback around that and then try again, you know? And so it I think it's constantly like disciplining myself in disciplining myself in belief. Right. So if this is how I believe that business should work, if we're not there yet, what's the next step to get there? And I think so often what kind of is um uh disheartening, saddening um when I look at other business leaders or nonprofit leaders or entrepreneurs is that they think that, oh, to get ahead, like to get to point B, I have to use somebody else's playbook. Like I have to become the thing or get, you know, get in the line, get in line. Um and as soon as I get to point B, then I'll be able to play it the way I want to play it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I'm like, no, you just spent the whole road from point A to point B practicing how to play by everybody else's rules.
SPEAKER_01Wow.
SPEAKER_00Let's, let's when this, and you feel like the stakes are so high there, and they are, but the stakes are even higher once you get to point B and try to get to point C. You know what I mean? So like it's it's a practice and display. If I believe that everyone has abundance and everybody has scarcity, if I believe that everybody should have access to well-being education and that coaching shouldn't just be for the elite in our society, right? If I believe that it should be for everybody. And um, if I believe in equity and justice and restoration and moving us collectively toward a place where that's more real, then that has to be present in my everyday business practice because I will not be skillful at it when I get when the stakes are higher, unless I start it now. So um, so it kind of like it's you know, crafting your own playbook in a sense, but also borrowing from other people's. Like you're not just, you know, reinventing the wheel, um, but saying, oh, they're doing that with excellence. How do I do that here? They're doing that with excellence, how do I do that here? But it's a constant practice, right? It really, the more that I'm talking with you, the more I'm like, gosh, so much about of this is about like coming to grips with your own ego and um yeah, and just being a human, you know.
SPEAKER_02So there's literally so many directions I can take this, but I I want to get this in there because as a woman, young woman entrepreneur, business owner, how do you balance life with being a nonprofit? Do you call yourself CEO, president? What do you call it?
SPEAKER_00I'm the executive director. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02How do you how do you balance uh being a nonprofit executive director, the founding nonprofit executive director, and life in this space that comes with um I mean, how do you how do you balance all of it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think when I first started as an entrepreneur, I went to this workshop for entrepreneurs and they said be unapologetic about exquisite care for yourself. And at the time I was like, yeah, yeah, well that sounds like that sounds like a luxury, you know. But they went on to say, your creativity is your fuel. And if you don't care for yourself, you'll run out of fuel very quickly. And if you pretend that your care for yourself looks like somebody else's, then you'll run out very quickly, right? And so a lot of people are um, you know, struggle with burnout. I've struggled with that too, but um, it's usually because they're they're apologizing for they're apologizing for like taking care of themselves or learning how to take care of themselves, or they think this is so urgent, like this is so urgent, I have to solve this problem right now. I'm the only one that can do it, right? Um, then they're they put their care on the back burner, but then they don't like when are you gonna come back to that, folks? Like, you know, um, and different seasons require different levels of care. So continuously checking in with yourself around that. So I think the thing is that like balance doesn't work for me. Like it doesn't work. So I think about it more like harmony, you know, if these were if the different choices that I'm making in my life are different notes, you know, in um a musical arrangement, am I creating resonance and harmony in my life in how all of this is woven together? Or is it dissonant and chaotic and like draining? And I I can feel that in my own soul and in my own body when it's resonant and aligned. And um, but that's because I've been unapologetic about taking care of myself and when I mess up, like rapidly rapidly recovering. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's great. Okay, this is the last one, and I'll promise I'll wrap it up. So I have a wide um wide audience that listens to this from you know, from local to statewide to national, international, a wide variety of ages. So take us you're talking to somebody who in 2013 version of Megan. Yeah, they get ready to start their own business, their own nonprofit. What are you telling them?
SPEAKER_00I would tell them surround yourself with people that um will champion your vision.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00People that when you are not in the room, you are fully confident that they'll bring your name up with honor and um with celebration and um yeah, and point surround yourself with with those people. And if it's if it's hard to find those people, you don't have those people, then find them first. Like before you know, find them first. Um I would also say be really honest about what you're not good at yet and seek out people that are good at that. Um if you can't afford them yet, make that a goal to afford them, you know. Um if if there's a way that you can like have an informational interview with them instead of hiring them to get like, you know, their top five tips and tricks, and get those top five tips and tricks and apply them. Um so and I would say um so those those would be the the two things and just don't be afraid to change your mind. Yeah, don't be afraid to change your mind, don't be afraid um to follow your gut. And yeah, those would be those would be Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So those are all great um ways to end the interview, right? Um surround yourself with good people is a is a constant theme everyone I talk to, right? So, like that is, I mean, a paramount thing. Have good people in your life. So again, thank you for tuning in to uh Memoral Speaks Season Three, Episode Number Three with Meg and Gilmore. Thank you for watching. You can find us on every major streaming platform, um, YouTube, uh Facebook, and all um podcast listening stations. So appreciate you again. Thanks for watching.
