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Even if it's summer,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":970.29,"endTime":976.29,"body":"even if it's hot, having fleece"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":976.32,"endTime":980.88,"body":"or a puffy, I always have that"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":976.32,"endTime":980.88,"body":"in my pack in the summer. Again,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":980.91,"endTime":984.24,"body":"I know there are people who"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":980.91,"endTime":984.24,"body":"don't do that. But if you break"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":984.24,"endTime":988.89,"body":"your ankle or you come across"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":984.24,"endTime":988.89,"body":"someone who needs help, you can"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":988.92,"endTime":993.42,"body":"give that to them. And it's a"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":988.92,"endTime":993.42,"body":"really kind of small thing to"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":993.42,"endTime":996.6,"body":"bring that makes a big"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":993.42,"endTime":996.6,"body":"difference. And I talked before"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":996.6,"endTime":1001.28,"body":"about the rain jacket and"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":996.6,"endTime":1001.28,"body":"choose. Any backpack you have or"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1001.28,"endTime":1005.48,"body":"bag you have that's comfortable"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1001.28,"endTime":1005.48,"body":"to carry will be just fine. I"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1005.48,"endTime":1009.47,"body":"always bring my headlamp I keep"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1005.48,"endTime":1009.47,"body":"it in my pack, except I take it"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1009.47,"endTime":1012.92,"body":"out to charge it now. And again."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1009.47,"endTime":1012.92,"body":"I recommend that because then"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1012.92,"endTime":1015.53,"body":"you never have to think about"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1012.92,"endTime":1015.53,"body":"oh, do I need a headlamp today,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1015.65,"endTime":1020.42,"body":"you just always have it. And"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1015.65,"endTime":1020.42,"body":"then a couple other things I'm"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1020.42,"endTime":1025.07,"body":"going to mention that are really"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1020.42,"endTime":1025.07,"body":"valuable to me personally, that"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1025.07,"endTime":1028.37,"body":"are not a requirement. You don't"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1025.07,"endTime":1028.37,"body":"have to have them. But they make"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1028.37,"endTime":1031.79,"body":"a huge difference for me with"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1028.37,"endTime":1031.79,"body":"hiking, one of those is a skid"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1031.79,"endTime":1035.9,"body":"pad. And it's basically like a"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1031.79,"endTime":1035.9,"body":"very small camp pad. And it's"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1035.93,"endTime":1039.77,"body":"awesome for sitting on cold or"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1035.93,"endTime":1039.77,"body":"rocky ground, it's wonderful for"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1039.77,"endTime":1042.65,"body":"winter, if there's snow, you"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1039.77,"endTime":1042.65,"body":"could just sit in the snow on"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1042.65,"endTime":1045.23,"body":"the pad. They're very"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1042.65,"endTime":1045.23,"body":"inexpensive, they cost about"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1045.23,"endTime":1051.32,"body":"$20. And I'm a really big fan of"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1045.23,"endTime":1051.32,"body":"the set pad. But lots of people"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1051.32,"endTime":1057.29,"body":"don't use that. 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They"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1073.58,"endTime":1078.11,"body":"help kind of distribute the work"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1073.58,"endTime":1078.11,"body":"over my body a little bit more."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1078.29,"endTime":1082.97,"body":"For people who have knee pain,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1078.29,"endTime":1082.97,"body":"they often find polls super"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1082.97,"endTime":1086.27,"body":"helpful. I don't particularly"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1082.97,"endTime":1086.27,"body":"struggle with knee pain."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1086.48,"endTime":1089.3,"body":"Sometimes, of course my knees"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1086.48,"endTime":1089.3,"body":"get sore if I'm walking"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1089.3,"endTime":1092.39,"body":"downhill. And it's super steep"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1089.3,"endTime":1092.39,"body":"for a long time. But I don't"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1092.39,"endTime":1096.05,"body":"have like true knee pain. But"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1092.39,"endTime":1096.05,"body":"for people who do, Polls can be"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1096.05,"endTime":1101.0,"body":"a real game changer. And they"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1096.05,"endTime":1101.0,"body":"can also help with stability. If"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1101.0,"endTime":1105.11,"body":"you're feeling a little off and"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1101.0,"endTime":1105.11,"body":"your balance, or you're just,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1105.44,"endTime":1107.75,"body":"you know wanting to have"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1105.44,"endTime":1107.75,"body":"something to kind of hold on to"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1108.59,"endTime":1114.62,"body":"while you hike, they are a huge"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1108.59,"endTime":1114.62,"body":"factor for me. So I really love"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1114.62,"endTime":1117.44,"body":"using them. They're not"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1114.62,"endTime":1117.44,"body":"required, but I love having"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1117.44,"endTime":1122.93,"body":"polls. 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You'll find out what works"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1134.63,"endTime":1138.65,"body":"for you, you'll figure out what"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1134.63,"endTime":1138.65,"body":"pants or shorts, or leggings are"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1138.65,"endTime":1142.25,"body":"most comfortable to wear for"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1138.65,"endTime":1142.25,"body":"hikes in different weather in"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1142.25,"endTime":1146.48,"body":"different places. You'll figure"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1142.25,"endTime":1146.48,"body":"out what shirts feel comfortable"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1146.48,"endTime":1150.47,"body":"and work well. You'll figure out"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1146.48,"endTime":1150.47,"body":"rain jackets and shoes and that"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1150.47,"endTime":1154.73,"body":"kind of thing as you go. So just"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1150.47,"endTime":1154.73,"body":"get something that will get you"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1154.73,"endTime":1159.98,"body":"started. And then you can go"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1154.73,"endTime":1159.98,"body":"from there. So thank you for"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1159.98,"endTime":1163.82,"body":"joining me, I hope you're"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1159.98,"endTime":1163.82,"body":"feeling like you can do this. If"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1163.82,"endTime":1167.21,"body":"this is new for you. Or if"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1163.82,"endTime":1167.21,"body":"you're listening and you're a"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1167.21,"endTime":1170.0,"body":"seasoned hiker and you're going"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1167.21,"endTime":1170.0,"body":"to take someone for the first"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1170.0,"endTime":1174.74,"body":"time. I hope this helps you as"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1170.0,"endTime":1174.74,"body":"well. Lots of resources down in"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1174.74,"endTime":1178.91,"body":"the show notes. So check those"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1174.74,"endTime":1178.91,"body":"out. And I'll see you in the"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1178.91,"endTime":1183.14,"body":"next episode. Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1178.91,"endTime":1183.14,"body":"joining me for this episode of"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1183.14,"endTime":1186.59,"body":"The Washington State hiking"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1183.14,"endTime":1186.59,"body":"podcast. Don't forget to check"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1186.59,"endTime":1190.52,"body":"out the notes the show notes for"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1186.59,"endTime":1190.52,"body":"our tip jar link to leave a"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1190.52,"endTime":1194.21,"body":"voice memo question and details"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1190.52,"endTime":1194.21,"body":"about hikes and resources"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1194.21,"endTime":1197.03,"body":"discussed in this episode. See"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1194.21,"endTime":1197.03,"body":"you next week."}]}