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And"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":212.76,"endTime":216.54,"body":"again, the crowds are down"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":216.54,"endTime":219.27,"body":"because the summer National Park"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":216.54,"endTime":219.27,"body":"people you know, traveling"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":219.27,"endTime":221.82,"body":"hitting all the parks, they're"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":219.27,"endTime":221.82,"body":"there in the summertime. Now you"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":221.82,"endTime":225.42,"body":"can I've gone out to Ozette in"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":221.82,"endTime":225.42,"body":"March and April. And it's been"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":225.42,"endTime":228.48,"body":"very, very quiet and there's"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":225.42,"endTime":228.48,"body":"usually bird migrations. Well,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":228.48,"endTime":233.16,"body":"migrations, Woodland flowers,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":228.48,"endTime":233.16,"body":"you know, it's just a great time"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":233.16,"endTime":235.32,"body":"to be out there. Matter of fact,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":233.16,"endTime":235.32,"body":"in two weeks, I'm going to be"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":235.32,"endTime":238.23,"body":"out on the peninsula. So I'm"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":235.32,"endTime":238.23,"body":"getting excited. Oh, that's"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":238.23,"endTime":241.38,"body":"so fun. Yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":238.23,"endTime":241.38,"body":"totally agree with you about"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":241.38,"endTime":246.45,"body":"that. 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And you know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":261.57,"endTime":265.08,"body":"we do get these dry, cooled cool"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":261.57,"endTime":265.08,"body":"periods during the winter,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":265.08,"endTime":267.72,"body":"particularly, you know,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":265.08,"endTime":267.72,"body":"February, February, we'll get a"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":267.72,"endTime":270.6,"body":"couple of weeks and that that is"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":267.72,"endTime":270.6,"body":"a really good time to get out"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":270.6,"endTime":273.42,"body":"there and by February to the"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":270.6,"endTime":273.42,"body":"days are a little bit longer"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":273.42,"endTime":277.65,"body":"than than December in January."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":273.42,"endTime":277.65,"body":"But yes, sunsets are spectacular"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":277.68,"endTime":283.05,"body":"and the Olympics year round. 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