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Do this, because to"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1499.26,"endTime":1502.4,"body":"the outside be like, Why do you"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1502.4,"endTime":1502.94,"body":"do this?"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1503.96,"endTime":1506.0,"body":"Not painful,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1503.96,"endTime":1506.0,"body":"yeah,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1506.18,"endTime":1509.72,"body":"but it's not easy."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1506.18,"endTime":1509.72,"body":"But, um, that's part of the"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1509.72,"endTime":1511.82,"body":"because it was easy, I guess it"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1509.72,"endTime":1511.82,"body":"wouldn't be that, yeah."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1511.82,"endTime":1513.86,"body":"And it sounds"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1511.82,"endTime":1513.86,"body":"like it's a really great thing"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1513.86,"endTime":1517.1,"body":"for the right person, and for"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1513.86,"endTime":1517.1,"body":"people for whom they're like,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1517.22,"endTime":1520.36,"body":"oh, that sounds terrible, then"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1517.22,"endTime":1520.36,"body":"it's probably fine to just skip"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1520.36,"endTime":1520.54,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1520.6,"endTime":1522.64,"body":"I would probably"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1520.6,"endTime":1522.64,"body":"messed on drugs if it wasn't a"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1522.64,"endTime":1523.12,"body":"trail runner."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1523.12,"endTime":1524.8,"body":"I don't know,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1523.12,"endTime":1524.8,"body":"right? It's a good it's a good"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1524.8,"endTime":1528.94,"body":"alternative to other forms of"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1524.8,"endTime":1528.94,"body":"self medication. Okay, I have"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1528.94,"endTime":1532.24,"body":"one last question for you, Craig"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1528.94,"endTime":1532.24,"body":"about this. So for somebody who"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1532.24,"endTime":1535.9,"body":"is just getting I know that"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1532.24,"endTime":1535.9,"body":"there's a tremendous amount of"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1535.9,"endTime":1539.44,"body":"gear you can get for trail"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1535.9,"endTime":1539.44,"body":"running, but I also know that"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1539.44,"endTime":1544.02,"body":"like hiking, like running, like"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1539.44,"endTime":1544.02,"body":"anything else, like having to"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1544.02,"endTime":1548.34,"body":"buy a bunch of gear is kind of"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1544.02,"endTime":1548.34,"body":"overwhelming. So if you think"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1548.34,"endTime":1550.86,"body":"about someone who's a beginner,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1548.34,"endTime":1550.86,"body":"who's like, yeah, I really want"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1550.86,"endTime":1553.74,"body":"to do this, but I don't want to"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1550.86,"endTime":1553.74,"body":"invest too much right away. What"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1553.74,"endTime":1558.0,"body":"do you what gear items do you"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1553.74,"endTime":1558.0,"body":"feel like are necessary to kind"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1558.0,"endTime":1562.64,"body":"of get started? 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Yeah."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1565.88,"endTime":1566.12,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1566.12,"endTime":1569.12,"body":"the same thing,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1566.12,"endTime":1569.12,"body":"just like in hiking, the good"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1569.18,"endTime":1572.42,"body":"trail running is so popular now"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1569.18,"endTime":1572.42,"body":"there's so many companies and"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1572.42,"endTime":1574.94,"body":"the high tech that prices have"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1572.42,"endTime":1574.94,"body":"come down on a lot of this gear."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1574.94,"endTime":1578.12,"body":"So first of all, your shoes, you"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1574.94,"endTime":1578.12,"body":"know, on regular rail trails and"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1578.12,"endTime":1580.78,"body":"things like, you can use regular"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1578.12,"endTime":1580.78,"body":"running shoes on that I wear"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1580.78,"endTime":1584.5,"body":"regular running shoes on a lot"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1580.78,"endTime":1584.5,"body":"of non technical trails, so you"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1584.5,"endTime":1586.9,"body":"don't need to go out and spend a"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1584.5,"endTime":1586.9,"body":"lot of money. But even there,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1586.9,"endTime":1590.2,"body":"you can get a decent trail shoe"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1586.9,"endTime":1590.2,"body":"when you start going, it's not"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1590.2,"endTime":1593.74,"body":"going to cost you a terrible"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1590.2,"endTime":1593.74,"body":"amount of money. Then, you know."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1593.74,"endTime":1594.4,"body":"Okay, so"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1594.4,"endTime":1598.3,"body":"Shoes, shoes are"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1594.4,"endTime":1598.3,"body":"real basic, real basic. What is"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1598.3,"endTime":1600.72,"body":"the difference between trail"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1598.3,"endTime":1600.72,"body":"running shoes and regular"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1600.72,"endTime":1601.74,"body":"running shoes. Okay?"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1601.8,"endTime":1604.32,"body":"They're gonna be"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1601.8,"endTime":1604.32,"body":"little, just the way they're"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1604.32,"endTime":1606.96,"body":"manufactured. First of all is"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1604.32,"endTime":1606.96,"body":"more support, okay? And they're"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1606.96,"endTime":1610.56,"body":"grippier, far more grippier,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1606.96,"endTime":1610.56,"body":"yeah? So you're gonna and you'll"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1610.56,"endTime":1614.16,"body":"feel it too. 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Call"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1633.26,"endTime":1636.08,"body":"us and they're a local They're a"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1633.26,"endTime":1636.08,"body":"local company here in"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1636.08,"endTime":1639.62,"body":"Washington. They are my trail"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1636.08,"endTime":1639.62,"body":"running shoe, awesome, but they"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1639.62,"endTime":1643.66,"body":"tend to be more to the ground."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1639.62,"endTime":1643.66,"body":"People that don't like them"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1643.66,"endTime":1645.88,"body":"because they're not cushy, I"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1643.66,"endTime":1645.88,"body":"like them because you're kind of"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1645.88,"endTime":1649.72,"body":"got more support. You feel them."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1645.88,"endTime":1649.72,"body":"So I've been running, I said for"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1649.72,"endTime":1651.58,"body":"14 years, they work for me. 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I"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":2155.18,"endTime":2158.12,"body":"learned a lot, and hopefully"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":2158.18,"endTime":2160.6,"body":"other people who might be"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":2158.18,"endTime":2160.6,"body":"interested please send us"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":2160.6,"endTime":2164.26,"body":"questions too. Yes, so I was"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":2160.6,"endTime":2164.26,"body":"just gonna say that in addition"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":2164.26,"endTime":2169.54,"body":"to our voicemail, we also have a"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":2164.26,"endTime":2169.54,"body":"text question. 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