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Jennie, here, Craig"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":46.71,"endTime":49.77,"body":"and I are back in the Lego"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":46.71,"endTime":49.77,"body":"studio in Edmonds, Washington,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":50.22,"endTime":54.93,"body":"and here we are, if you can"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":50.22,"endTime":54.93,"body":"believe it, in at the end of"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":54.93,"endTime":59.64,"body":"September, fall is starting this"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":54.93,"endTime":59.64,"body":"week. Isn't that crazy? I mean,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":59.64,"endTime":61.95,"body":"it's already the days are"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":59.64,"endTime":61.95,"body":"getting shorter. I know, right?"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":61.95,"endTime":64.65,"body":"It just goes all of a sudden. 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Yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1621.44,"endTime":1624.86,"body":"totally agree with you about the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1624.86,"endTime":1628.04,"body":"Washington Park Arboretum at the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1624.86,"endTime":1628.04,"body":"University of Washington. It's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1628.04,"endTime":1632.42,"body":"free. It has some beautiful fall"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1628.04,"endTime":1632.42,"body":"color, probably some of the best"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1632.42,"endTime":1635.78,"body":"in in the city of Seattle, for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1632.42,"endTime":1635.78,"body":"sure. And I love that place in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1635.78,"endTime":1638.12,"body":"May too, because the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1635.78,"endTime":1638.12,"body":"rhododendrons. So if you want,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1638.12,"endTime":1642.16,"body":"yes, it's a great year round."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1638.12,"endTime":1642.16,"body":"Yeah, it is one of my favorite"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1642.16,"endTime":1647.08,"body":"urban hikes. I also, you know, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1642.16,"endTime":1647.08,"body":"feel like Larabee State Park"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1647.08,"endTime":1650.14,"body":"near Bellingham has some pretty"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1647.08,"endTime":1650.14,"body":"good, yeah, there's some maple."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1650.14,"endTime":1651.34,"body":"There's some decent maple."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1652.78,"endTime":1655.24,"body":"It depends on the year and what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1652.78,"endTime":1655.24,"body":"the weather has been like, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1655.24,"endTime":1658.72,"body":"that often is a pretty nice"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1655.24,"endTime":1658.72,"body":"place to you. I think, cool."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1658.84,"endTime":1664.08,"body":"Okay, well, I think that wraps"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1658.84,"endTime":1664.08,"body":"up our fall hiking guide. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1664.08,"endTime":1667.14,"body":"happy hiking out there. Take"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1664.08,"endTime":1667.14,"body":"advantage of this best season,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1667.62,"endTime":1668.82,"body":"and we'll see you next time you."}]}