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And"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1424.919,"endTime":1428.039,"body":"how many times have been creeped"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1428.039,"endTime":1431.879,"body":"out by a dark stump or, oh my"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1428.039,"endTime":1431.879,"body":"god, it's a big bear waiting for"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1431.879,"endTime":1432.959,"body":"me, and everything like that."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1432.96,"endTime":1434.04,"body":"So your stump"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1432.96,"endTime":1434.04,"body":"bear,"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1434.04,"endTime":1436.02,"body":"we didn't talk"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1434.04,"endTime":1436.02,"body":"there so creepy that I've"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1436.02,"endTime":1439.98,"body":"encountered so many stump bears?"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1436.02,"endTime":1439.98,"body":"Yeah. 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Well,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1460.04,"endTime":1464.38,"body":"thanks for chatting about this"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1464.38,"endTime":1466.9,"body":"today, Craig. I think this is"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1464.38,"endTime":1466.9,"body":"kind of a fun topic for this"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1466.9,"endTime":1467.5,"body":"time of year."},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1467.56,"endTime":1471.28,"body":"And go pick up a"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1467.56,"endTime":1471.28,"body":"copy or, I mean, download stream"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1471.28,"endTime":1473.62,"body":"The Blair Witch Project for this"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1471.28,"endTime":1473.62,"body":"time of year, and you may not"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1473.62,"endTime":1475.54,"body":"want to go hiking in the woods"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":1473.62,"endTime":1475.54,"body":"again. So,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1476.619,"endTime":1479.379,"body":"oh, man, I don't"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1476.619,"endTime":1479.379,"body":"need those images in my head."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1479.859,"endTime":1484.739,"body":"All right, everybody, we'll see"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1479.859,"endTime":1484.739,"body":"you next week. Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1484.739,"endTime":1487.859,"body":"joining us for this episode of"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1484.739,"endTime":1487.859,"body":"The Washington State hiking"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":1487.859,"endTime":1488.639,"body":"podcast. 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