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You"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":32.06,"endTime":35.24,"body":"know, I just had one of the most"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":35.24,"endTime":39.32,"body":"amazing experiences on one of my"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":35.24,"endTime":39.32,"body":"recent hikes that I'm just dying"},{"speaker":"Craig Romano","startTime":39.32,"endTime":40.1,"body":"to talk about."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":40.28,"endTime":44.02,"body":"Okay, so, yeah."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":40.28,"endTime":44.02,"body":"So for everybody listening,"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":44.08,"endTime":49.0,"body":"we're going to talk about"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":44.08,"endTime":49.0,"body":"wildlife encounters on hikes in"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":49.0,"endTime":53.8,"body":"Washington with this episode."},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":49.0,"endTime":53.8,"body":"And I want to just start by"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":53.8,"endTime":57.22,"body":"saying, like some safety related"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":53.8,"endTime":57.22,"body":"things will come up, but that's"},{"speaker":"Jennie Flaming","startTime":57.22,"endTime":62.16,"body":"not really the topic. 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